


August 29, 2011
Helicopter Hunting For Feral Hogs Begins in TX Thursday
--Chad Love

Thursday is the traditional kick-off to many fall hunting seasons, from dove to grouse to...pork choppers? Yes, pork choppers. And according to this story, hunters from across the nation are lining up to be a part of Texas' first helicopter-based hog season.
From this story in the Forth Worth Star-Telegram:
"Pork choppers," Texas' newest weapon in the war on feral hogs, will take to the skies Thursday when it becomes legal for hunters to buy seats on hog-hunting helicopters and gun down as many pigs as they can put in their sights. With more than 2 million feral hogs rooting around the Lone Star State, there will be plenty of targets for aerial gunners willing to pay $475 for an hour of heli-hunting. Vertex Helicopters is already bringing home the bacon as a result of the measure passed by the Texas Legislature this year. The Houston-based firm requires shooters to take a $350 hunting safety course before they can book a hunt, said President Mike Morgan, a former Army helicopter pilot.
Sixty hunters have taken the course, and two more 15-person classes are already filled, he said. "These are people who are really, really serious about shooting things," Morgan said, noting that hunters from New York City, Missouri and Kansas have taken the course, which includes a four-hour class and 30 minutes of learning airborne target practice.
What about you? Given the opportunity, would you pay someone to let you shoot hogs from above? Hunting or simply aerial gunnery? Granted, the feral hog season is all about eradication of an invasive and destructive species, so do the environmental issues feral hogs pose outweigh even the faintest trace of fair chase ethics?
Comments (55)
This is pest management and shouldn't be confused with ethical hunting. We get enough bad press already.
Sign me up. Feral pigs are a pandemic, and even though I already try to do my part in reducing their numbers from the ground, I would gladly jump at the opportunity to pop a few from the sky.
This is one of those things I would like to try just once.
Now this is pest management that tastes GREAT! I imagine there's going to be a lot of HOG ROASTS! Feral or not, I hear they taste just as good as their domestic counterparts! Dibs on the baby backs!
I dont know how many can go at one time, but I think I just found what I want to do for my bachelor party!
SWEET HD Video on You Tube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGC1tjHCSVE
I'm glad that people are willing to pay for this sort of shooting. I hope they can do similar with wolves in the upper rockies, I know the cost of helicopter, pilot, and shooter must be very expensive and if they can get people to pay for it... saves money for Fish and Game.
On the down side this kind of thing makes anti hunters go nuts.
I agree with aferraro. The proper name for this is culling, not hunting, at least not ethical sport hunting. The Merriam-Webster on line dictionary gives the following definition for CULL:
"2: to reduce or control the size of (as a herd) by removal (as by hunting) of especially weaker animals; also : to hunt or kill (animals) as a means of population control."
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Hunting hogs from the sky is not in any way an unjust advantage for the hunter as anyone who has ever hunted these feral hogs in any manner can assure you! Not only are they quick, witty and hard to kill or trap, they are destructive, mean, and have an unbelievably explosive reproductive capacity. As for taste - not so great unless you get a young immature one. Shoot On, Please!
If the landowners would let hunters on their property instead of charging a fee to hunt. There would be hunters who would love the chance to hunt hogs.
I have hunted sheep killing dogs from a chopper and it isn't the easiest thing you will ever do. I tried with buckshot but we couldn't get close enough for buckshot to do any good so we went to rifles and did a little better.
I was flying with a friend who was a pilot in Vietnam and he knew his stuff. In that kind of hunting you better have a pilot that knows his stuff. Of course we were hunting in wooded areas too and that makes it worse. We found that doing it in a wooded area wasn't very productive.
I'm not usually crazy about semantic arguments, but in this case I really do wish the focus and terminology would be on eradication and pest control vs. "hunting".
Not sure I'd go for it unless someone else picked up the tab. I have no doubt it would be a memorable experience and exciting as all get out.
I just hope it's effective.
"...from schwings wrote 41 min 36 sec ago
If the landowners would let hunters on their property instead of charging a fee to hunt. There would be hunters who would love the chance to hunt hogs...."
Let's not get into the pros and cons of "pay-to-play" and the implications of "free access"!
"...do the environmental issues feral hogs pose outweigh even the faintest trace of fair chase ethics?..."
YES, YES, YES! A thousand times yes!
Feral hogs carry brucellosis or "Bangs" disease, transmitable to livestock.
Feral hogs carry "pseudo-rabies".
Feral hogs "can", and on occasion, DO, destroy commercial crops.
Feral hogs are omnivores and will eat, quite literally, anything they come across. Turkey eggs, quail nests, bedded fawns....literally, ANYTHING!
For those that want to "eat" feral hog. Anything 40 pounds or under on the hoof is THE best eating.
Bubba
Second question.
Would I do it? (shoot hogs from a 'copter!)
NO!
No. 1 - Don't like heights! I hunt from ground blinds. I'm too old, I don't bounce! ...anymore!! LOL!
No. 2 - I'm too cheap. If I pay THAT much to "play", it WON'T be feral hogs!
No. 3 - LOOKS LIKE A BLAST!!!! HOOK 'EM HORNS and GIG 'EM AGGIES!!!!
Bubba
If I had the spare cash, I'd jump at the chance and would do it several times. I despise feral hogs through long association with them---they are destructive creatures and don't belong here. I don't know why anybody gave "thewatergirl" a ding and I countered it---maybe not total agreement on taste, but on everything else.
I bet it would be quiet an experience. I wouldn't lay down that kind of green to to it though. I agree with those above, lets not call this "hunting', it is pest control.
rockrat- i think comparing the resurgance of wolves in the rockies to the pig problem in texas is a bit of overkill....
I searched on you tube for some aerial copter hunting and found this SWEET ~ 10 minute vid in HD with this guy shooting a Rock River AR-15 with a sweet EOTech Holographic Sight! Awesome High Definition and looks like a Great Time! (definitely watch in FULL SCREEN and crank your speakers!) Thinking very seriously on giving these guys a call--maybe even try to arrange a nice camp out w/ bonfire, cold ones and some fresh pig on the smoker! Check this out and tell me if this isn't worth a "GOOD COMMENT!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGC1tjHCSVE This is from "Freedom Aviation" in Texas.
I get why they do it, but I was looking in to a hunt down that way for big whitetails and asked the owner if it would be possible to hunt feral hogs while I was there and he wanted to charge me for it.
BearElement5
All the places I'm allowed to hunt, the first rule is "Kill any and all hogs! On sight!"
When you go to one of those "hunting" ranches, you need to remember,
"Hunter's provide their income."
Allowing "freebie" hunting does not put money in their pockets. Therefore, it's a "Pay To Play" proposition.
Bubba
Would I do it, NO. Mainly cause I can't afford it. This can't be called hunting as a sport, just killing. Are the hogs found and processed. It would be a step up to shooting illegal aliens. Sign me up for that.
$350 for a safety course is robbery and this isn't hunting and it's not really culling either. In culling you intend to leave a certain amount of the population and for the most part, the biggest and best. This is eradication. Hog hunting in Texas is big business and while they do pose a downside there is also an upside to business who sell to hunters and ranches who charge for hunting. I would say in areas where farming is prevalent hogs can cause significant damage. However in other areas I simply haven't seen huge destructive issues like here in Central Texas.
As an invasive species, hogs have no ethical standing. Kill as many as you can. The worry would be an upsurge in coyote numbers as they scavenge the carcasses, but I imagine the varmint callers would see that as a benefit that brings more revenue to Texas as well.
My only concern is how well the harness will hold me inside the helicopter.
from BearElement5 wrote 4 hours 46 min ago
I get why they do it, but I was looking in to a hunt down that way for big whitetails and asked the owner if it would be possible to hunt feral hogs while I was there and he wanted to charge me for it.
I would tell that individual to KMA, and not hunt his deer either. I could easily pay to go but the guys that own the rand if they are asking for help probably should pay for the job.
Just fyi, this has been going on in Australia, a very tough place to get a gun, for years. I have a friend in Queensland with a 25,000 acre farm/ranch op, and he has had the helos in three times this year. He does not shoot with them, he pays them to come in and cull the pests. Nobody thinks much of it over there, and whatever meat can be derived is donated to the needy.
jim
I think several of the posts above are getting at my concern with how this article reads. This topic should be handled delicately by us as hunters. Shooting anything from a helicopter using a lot of firepower is and will definitely be seen as indiscriminate killing and wanton slaughter by many. If Texas can publicly justify a "cull", and probably they can, then that's what they should call it. It should not be stated nor implied that this is fair chase hunting. This is a situation where we need to be conscious of how we are viewed as hunters for the future of hunting.
This is a war! This is an infection! This is a very serious threat to farming, deer hunting, and to all human and animal life. It is a threat to the Texas economy on many levels. Is it ethical? YES, especially when it is your way of life being threatened! Too bad it may help, but it will not solve the problem.
I can't afford it but to those who can, HAVE FUN and shoot straight.
This comment concerns hog hunting in general. With all of the hog problems nationally, it is very hard to find a farmer, rancher, or land owner that will let you hunt without charging you. In many cases the charges are way to high, especially when you want to hunt as a service to the land owner and to the environment. One of the major issues are unethical hunters that are not properly educated. Land owners that would let hunters in but are concerned about liability stopped letting them in and righly so.
Ethics do not enter into this.This is strictely eradication of an invasive species that are nearly impossible to control.If You have seen the damage done by hogs there is no question.
Doing it this way it makes some income for those involved.
I have a farmer freind in S,TX that we hunt geese on and 5 years ago He and 3 other farmers hired a chopper and shooter to eradicate hogs at a large expense and i chopper killed over 200 in 2 days.
To me this is much more ethical then getting Your name in the record book for catching a 100# fish on 2# test line.
all that missing is a Dillon Aerospace Minigun or a M240G and your on the SWAT team. Really can't you chase them in a pick-up or a jeep like in Jurassic Park? also i have talked to someone(he is a LEO sniper) and you have to use a noveske flash suppressor or silencer becuase there is a backblast inside the chopper. would i do it? yes, if i could use a mini or something like that.
I agree that this is pest control. Hunting ethics have nothing to do with it. If they would let out-of-state hunters in there to shoot hogs any time of the year with little or no cost to the hunter it could help control this problem. The economic gain from reducing the hog population would far outweigh the revenue from out of state license fees. Plus you would have visitors to the state who would contribute to the local ecomony.
Sorry folks, but this is just the sort of thing the anti-hunters will have afield day with. And we are playing right into their hands.
dzinn you are right about a lot of places that used to let people in won't because of liability and past trangressions against them. One way I've found is to build a raport with the land owner and if their willing to accept a signed waiver of their liability from you go the extra step and get the paperwork. If someone does let you on, offer them meat from your kills, offer to help around the ranch whenever needed, basically refer to those good manners your grandparents taught your parents. I use those generations because I know my grandparrents taught my parents more than they taught me and that was more than I taught my children. The place I hunt is a friend of mine's ranch and there are basically 2 rules; 1) shoot a buffalo or goat if you want but if you do you're buying it and 2) Deer, hogs, yotes, foxes, and jack rabbitt are open season because they all affect his ranching negatively somehow. Although because of the buffalo he has no hogs or yotes on his property (I have seen the rest).
I think a number of the hunting methods in Texas are unethical, however, I realize that is the way they do it, so be it.
I agree with TLanger anti-hunters will love this.
Jerry
Sounds way fun if I had the chance to do this (and the money!) I would in a heart beat. But lets go over the facts:
Would it be fun - of corse
would I do it - Yes
Do we need to do it - Yes
Do I have the money - No!
can i use a Minni gun??? Lock and load.
As far as the anti gunners, better yet to have a Helo.
Been there, done that! (Of course I had a Huey gunship with an M16 kit. That's four M60s and 14 each 2.75 inch folding fin rockets to do the job)!
As long as we call it eradication, I'm fine, train and leave a blood stain, Pay your bucks and good luck and shoot like...well you get it.SCHWINGS: There are folks that have been calling themselve hunters for yrs and their not, they shoot up other folks property and we wonder why we can't get permission to hunt. $350.00 to train, whatever per hr to shoot(not hunt)lots of folk benefiting, sounds very WIN-WIN for TX.. Properly handled in the field these hogs, any size will eat. Food banks should be a part of this as none of this meat should go to waste. Prisoners are probably eating better than Ladies w/Children in shelters along with homeless, hogs thought to be inedible should be picked up by local prisons to feed those mutts. A divice like GPS should be clicked for every hog so it can be located for removal(cause if there is disease then they should not be left on the land owners property). ROCKRAT: the anti's have always had the biggest mouths to do nothing, they are the NO,NO,NO's with no solution(I'm thinking of an administation).1STBuBBA: lets get into the pro & con of it and then lets put a fork in it and call it done,(only because there are P's & C's)(Yes,I am also afraid stopping quickly)its why were here,respectfully.HANDGUNHTRMAG:we know they ain't gunna get'em all so nicely put it is culling and these ranchers would love to get rid of all these boogers 'cause they won't ever bring @$2500.00 dollar a mangmt. buck will.Thanks MOISHE:, This KISS MY AZZ,I GOT MONEY, attitude is why landowners will always be skepticle of letting the young hunter on their property, they know this attitude exists, now THEY have to sort us out(and we wonder?). DUHWAIN: if we are going to call ourselve hunters it will always be about ethics...period. MCRUMRINE: you are the hunter with the background of well established ethics, you are the reason some landowner say "YES!" JLYNCH34 I came to Texas 27 yrs ago from Michigan and my eyes were hurt wide open(TX. is like an opinion, we don't agree on everything said but it probably needed saying p.s. I ain't ever leav'in) ? If I stepped on toes, my appologies, I love hogs but they do some damage a lot of folks want to shoot them for and I'm behind shooting them but lets not forget we are stewards for future hunters, so lets not make it tough on them. This is just my opinion and I've been wrong before as I have a wife to remind me.
For all those young hunters whining about "I ain't go no place to hunt!" read the post by mcrumrine!!!
Also, when you talk to landowners:
No alcohol.
No smoking.
No earrings. Yeah, you have the "right" to wear them. Just remember, the landowner also holds ALL the cards!
The fewer the tattoos showing, the better off you are.
dtownley!!! LOL!!!
No offense! mcrumrine is SPOT on!!
I never thought I'd leave Texas either!! Again, LOL!!!
When confronted by a friend about where I would hunt when I left Texas, I replied, "I dunno!". Since then, I've killed more game (deer, hogs, turkeys) here than I ever THOUGHT about in Texas!! Again, LOL!!!
Bubba
Just for a little variation on theme: why don’t we leave the last few, remaining free creatures in nature alone for the waning hours that this living planet has left because of man’s assault on it? If culling is your answer to mitigate a given species’ destructive impact on the environment, should this method be applied to a certain vastly more destructive invasive species that is destroying the entire planet through global warming, deforestation, over-fishing, resource depletion, pollution, animal extinctions, etc because of its over-population? If not, consider yourself a hypocrite. Most creatures that enter this world are subjected to a hellish existence on this planet by man and his glutinous craving for meat. I reckon that with a hog’s growth rate, each bite of a ham sandwich is equal to 20 minutes of living hell on an animal farm spent lying in their own feces in a cage too small to turn around in. So be sure to savor every bite of that ham sandwich. No one knows how consciousnesses in the universe are merged with living organisms before birth to live their days on this warm, sun-bathed planet. It seems appropriate to me that in a perfectly functioning universe, an intelligent creature that knowingly conducts itself like a parasite should return as one. Or perhaps as a hog.
Wayne Parcels in the house, I mean a rat is a pig is a boy? Brother you sound just like some scientists I work with, kill mice, rats, monkeys, pigs, then give me lip about the way my animal died. You would better serve yourself picking up trash along the highway(every time you stand up you can pat yourself on the back and wait for your NOBLE PRIZE). There are no better stewards to this nations wilds than the OUTDOORSMAN/SPORTSMAN we lay down the bucks and the rest of nation benefits its beauty.FIRESTORMINTHEJELLYJAR you are barking up the wrong tree. This ain't Oprah Magazine. I guess you all know now I don't care much for Bark eat'in bunnyhuggers.
I put up a link about this 3 months ago, what a shoot it could be.
It’s amazing how ignorant people can be; take the raccoons shot in California in some guys backyard. Raccoons look cuddly and sweat but the real truth is; they are killers especially to children who never come in contact with the animal itself. So why is the raccoon so deadly to children without contact? Glad you asked! It’s called Baylisascaris procyonis commonly known as Raccoon Roundworm. Now imagine what parasites and other infectious disease feral hogs will carry from farm to neighborhood to farm? Back in 85 on opening day of season, a couple weeks prior, I was told by the Forest Department to shoot any and all feral goats and leave them. On opening day, 17 came around the ridge on the other side and I dropped 7 of them. Reported it when I got back in town and they converged on the area for the remainder. Come to find out, they were carrying something the F&G Biologists and Forest Service didn’t like!
Does it need to be done?
YES!
If you had a helicopter, big bucks!
Bubba
Funny you bring it up!!!
New place,
New adventure!
Get out and hunt and stop that whining couch potato! If you know what to look for like I did in New Mexico, you'll find what your looking for!
You bet'cha Clay!
You'd be surprised just how far a little "sweat equity" will go!
Bubba
I can just vision someone shooting themself in the foot!
I've seen the XRay to what a 22 Mag revolver will do dead center on top of the foot, shattered the bones like glass! Fella was carrying a Ruger with a round under the hammer when he jumped down into a ditch and the stock of his rifle hit it. We were just north of Paradise Arizona mule deer hunting and they had a long drive to the nearest hospital.
What did he say, Clay?
"Shucky darn."
Bubba
Great information...............BASIC QUESTION...is it worth spending the bucks to travel, in this case, FL to shoot one of these.Cost is about $300. plus processing, meaning, skinning and refrigeration. Really worried about the risk in eating these critters. Also, airfare & car rental. I undestand you can "hunt" them in in New England and PA., enclosed area. What think you?...Best-Blackjac, NJ.
blackjac
NE and Pa are in for a "real" surprise! They tried "fencing" in them things in Tejas! Remember what the scientist said in that "Jurassic Park" (don't remember which one!) movie? "Nature finds a way!" Hogs, even domestic, are "tough" to keep fenced!
As far as the "risk" involved in eating one? I've had the chance to chow down one more than one, from nearly 200 lbs to 3 lbs dressed out! It's delicious, "BBQ'd" or "smoked". Wouldn't give you 10 cents a ton for it fixed any other way! I won't dress out a "feral" hog over about 40 pounds on the hoof! Prefer the 20 pounders. I'll fight over the piglets that can be "smoked" whole!!
In answer to your question,
"Is it worth it?"
I suppose the answer boils down to, "If you've got the moo-la you're willing to burn and/or think it would be fun!"
I spent $3500 on an Alaskan fishing trip last summer! Worth every red cent though I only made it home with 95 lbs of fish valued at $36.84 per pound! You can buy halibut for less than $20 lb.
I would NOT pay one red cent for a "pig" hunt!
THAT'S JUST ME!!!
Your money, your party!
Bubba
P.S. somebody above said leave them for the coyotes!? My neighbor killed three in his pasture last winter and left them lay. The buzzards wouldn't even touch them. It took nearly 3 months for them to rot away!! LOL!!
from wolframthejam
"Just for a little variation on theme: why don’t we leave the last few, remaining free creatures in nature alone for the waning hours that this living planet has left because of man’s assault on it?"
This is a hunting site,in case you fail to comprehend that fact.
Your anti-hunting,man is killing the planet,all animals raised for meat are mistreated,cutting any trees is bad,using any oil is bad,using anything other than stuff you grow and produce yourself is bad,heating cooling your home is killing the planet,having lights on at night is causing global warming comments/opinions and..... kindly post them on a site like PETA,or in the Huffington Post,on MSLSD,or Current TV,or on the Center for Biological Diversity's site,or Natural Resources Defense Council's site.
The feral hogs are just that feral,a non-native species,a danger to other animals,both wild and domestic,a danger to children,to food crops,to family pets,to plant species,to watersheds,to fish,to frogs,to turtles,to salamanders. Also they can contaminate drinking water for both livestock and humans.
Go hug a wolf-preferably in the northern Rockies,outside of the Greater Yellowstone area.
from wolframthejam
"Just for a little variation on theme: why don’t we leave the last few, remaining free creatures in nature alone for the waning hours that this living planet has left because of man’s assault on it?"
This is a hunting site,in case you fail to comprehend that fact.
Your anti-hunting,man is killing the planet,all animals raised for meat are mistreated,cutting any trees is bad,using any oil is bad,using anything other than stuff you grow and produce yourself is bad,heating cooling your home is killing the planet,having lights on at night is causing global warming comments/opinions and..... kindly post them on a site like PETA,or in the Huffington Post,on MSLSD,or Current TV,or on the Center for Biological Diversity's site,or Natural Resources Defense Council's site.
The feral hogs are just that feral,a non-native species,a danger to other animals,both wild and domestic,a danger to children,to food crops,to family pets,to plant species,to watersheds,to fish,to frogs,to turtles,to salamanders. Also they can contaminate drinking water for both livestock and humans.
Go hug a wolf-preferably in the northern Rockies,outside of the Greater Yellowstone area.
sorry about the double post-I only hit the submit button once-no idea why it posted twice.
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This is pest management and shouldn't be confused with ethical hunting. We get enough bad press already.
I dont know how many can go at one time, but I think I just found what I want to do for my bachelor party!
I agree with aferraro. The proper name for this is culling, not hunting, at least not ethical sport hunting. The Merriam-Webster on line dictionary gives the following definition for CULL:
"2: to reduce or control the size of (as a herd) by removal (as by hunting) of especially weaker animals; also : to hunt or kill (animals) as a means of population control."
Read my blog at http://awildbeastatheart.blogspot.com/
"...from schwings wrote 41 min 36 sec ago
If the landowners would let hunters on their property instead of charging a fee to hunt. There would be hunters who would love the chance to hunt hogs...."
Let's not get into the pros and cons of "pay-to-play" and the implications of "free access"!
"...do the environmental issues feral hogs pose outweigh even the faintest trace of fair chase ethics?..."
YES, YES, YES! A thousand times yes!
Feral hogs carry brucellosis or "Bangs" disease, transmitable to livestock.
Feral hogs carry "pseudo-rabies".
Feral hogs "can", and on occasion, DO, destroy commercial crops.
Feral hogs are omnivores and will eat, quite literally, anything they come across. Turkey eggs, quail nests, bedded fawns....literally, ANYTHING!
For those that want to "eat" feral hog. Anything 40 pounds or under on the hoof is THE best eating.
Bubba
Hunting hogs from the sky is not in any way an unjust advantage for the hunter as anyone who has ever hunted these feral hogs in any manner can assure you! Not only are they quick, witty and hard to kill or trap, they are destructive, mean, and have an unbelievably explosive reproductive capacity. As for taste - not so great unless you get a young immature one. Shoot On, Please!
I'm not usually crazy about semantic arguments, but in this case I really do wish the focus and terminology would be on eradication and pest control vs. "hunting".
Not sure I'd go for it unless someone else picked up the tab. I have no doubt it would be a memorable experience and exciting as all get out.
I just hope it's effective.
Second question.
Would I do it? (shoot hogs from a 'copter!)
NO!
No. 1 - Don't like heights! I hunt from ground blinds. I'm too old, I don't bounce! ...anymore!! LOL!
No. 2 - I'm too cheap. If I pay THAT much to "play", it WON'T be feral hogs!
No. 3 - LOOKS LIKE A BLAST!!!! HOOK 'EM HORNS and GIG 'EM AGGIES!!!!
Bubba
This is one of those things I would like to try just once.
If I had the spare cash, I'd jump at the chance and would do it several times. I despise feral hogs through long association with them---they are destructive creatures and don't belong here. I don't know why anybody gave "thewatergirl" a ding and I countered it---maybe not total agreement on taste, but on everything else.
I bet it would be quiet an experience. I wouldn't lay down that kind of green to to it though. I agree with those above, lets not call this "hunting', it is pest control.
Would I do it, NO. Mainly cause I can't afford it. This can't be called hunting as a sport, just killing. Are the hogs found and processed. It would be a step up to shooting illegal aliens. Sign me up for that.
I think several of the posts above are getting at my concern with how this article reads. This topic should be handled delicately by us as hunters. Shooting anything from a helicopter using a lot of firepower is and will definitely be seen as indiscriminate killing and wanton slaughter by many. If Texas can publicly justify a "cull", and probably they can, then that's what they should call it. It should not be stated nor implied that this is fair chase hunting. This is a situation where we need to be conscious of how we are viewed as hunters for the future of hunting.
Sign me up. Feral pigs are a pandemic, and even though I already try to do my part in reducing their numbers from the ground, I would gladly jump at the opportunity to pop a few from the sky.
Now this is pest management that tastes GREAT! I imagine there's going to be a lot of HOG ROASTS! Feral or not, I hear they taste just as good as their domestic counterparts! Dibs on the baby backs!
SWEET HD Video on You Tube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGC1tjHCSVE
I'm glad that people are willing to pay for this sort of shooting. I hope they can do similar with wolves in the upper rockies, I know the cost of helicopter, pilot, and shooter must be very expensive and if they can get people to pay for it... saves money for Fish and Game.
On the down side this kind of thing makes anti hunters go nuts.
If the landowners would let hunters on their property instead of charging a fee to hunt. There would be hunters who would love the chance to hunt hogs.
rockrat- i think comparing the resurgance of wolves in the rockies to the pig problem in texas is a bit of overkill....
I searched on you tube for some aerial copter hunting and found this SWEET ~ 10 minute vid in HD with this guy shooting a Rock River AR-15 with a sweet EOTech Holographic Sight! Awesome High Definition and looks like a Great Time! (definitely watch in FULL SCREEN and crank your speakers!) Thinking very seriously on giving these guys a call--maybe even try to arrange a nice camp out w/ bonfire, cold ones and some fresh pig on the smoker! Check this out and tell me if this isn't worth a "GOOD COMMENT!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGC1tjHCSVE This is from "Freedom Aviation" in Texas.
BearElement5
All the places I'm allowed to hunt, the first rule is "Kill any and all hogs! On sight!"
When you go to one of those "hunting" ranches, you need to remember,
"Hunter's provide their income."
Allowing "freebie" hunting does not put money in their pockets. Therefore, it's a "Pay To Play" proposition.
Bubba
Ethics do not enter into this.This is strictely eradication of an invasive species that are nearly impossible to control.If You have seen the damage done by hogs there is no question.
Doing it this way it makes some income for those involved.
I have a farmer freind in S,TX that we hunt geese on and 5 years ago He and 3 other farmers hired a chopper and shooter to eradicate hogs at a large expense and i chopper killed over 200 in 2 days.
To me this is much more ethical then getting Your name in the record book for catching a 100# fish on 2# test line.
I have hunted sheep killing dogs from a chopper and it isn't the easiest thing you will ever do. I tried with buckshot but we couldn't get close enough for buckshot to do any good so we went to rifles and did a little better.
I was flying with a friend who was a pilot in Vietnam and he knew his stuff. In that kind of hunting you better have a pilot that knows his stuff. Of course we were hunting in wooded areas too and that makes it worse. We found that doing it in a wooded area wasn't very productive.
I get why they do it, but I was looking in to a hunt down that way for big whitetails and asked the owner if it would be possible to hunt feral hogs while I was there and he wanted to charge me for it.
$350 for a safety course is robbery and this isn't hunting and it's not really culling either. In culling you intend to leave a certain amount of the population and for the most part, the biggest and best. This is eradication. Hog hunting in Texas is big business and while they do pose a downside there is also an upside to business who sell to hunters and ranches who charge for hunting. I would say in areas where farming is prevalent hogs can cause significant damage. However in other areas I simply haven't seen huge destructive issues like here in Central Texas.
As an invasive species, hogs have no ethical standing. Kill as many as you can. The worry would be an upsurge in coyote numbers as they scavenge the carcasses, but I imagine the varmint callers would see that as a benefit that brings more revenue to Texas as well.
My only concern is how well the harness will hold me inside the helicopter.
from BearElement5 wrote 4 hours 46 min ago
I get why they do it, but I was looking in to a hunt down that way for big whitetails and asked the owner if it would be possible to hunt feral hogs while I was there and he wanted to charge me for it.
I would tell that individual to KMA, and not hunt his deer either. I could easily pay to go but the guys that own the rand if they are asking for help probably should pay for the job.
This comment concerns hog hunting in general. With all of the hog problems nationally, it is very hard to find a farmer, rancher, or land owner that will let you hunt without charging you. In many cases the charges are way to high, especially when you want to hunt as a service to the land owner and to the environment. One of the major issues are unethical hunters that are not properly educated. Land owners that would let hunters in but are concerned about liability stopped letting them in and righly so.
I think a number of the hunting methods in Texas are unethical, however, I realize that is the way they do it, so be it.
I agree with TLanger anti-hunters will love this.
Jerry
Sounds way fun if I had the chance to do this (and the money!) I would in a heart beat. But lets go over the facts:
Would it be fun - of corse
would I do it - Yes
Do we need to do it - Yes
Do I have the money - No!
For all those young hunters whining about "I ain't go no place to hunt!" read the post by mcrumrine!!!
Also, when you talk to landowners:
No alcohol.
No smoking.
No earrings. Yeah, you have the "right" to wear them. Just remember, the landowner also holds ALL the cards!
The fewer the tattoos showing, the better off you are.
dtownley!!! LOL!!!
No offense! mcrumrine is SPOT on!!
I never thought I'd leave Texas either!! Again, LOL!!!
When confronted by a friend about where I would hunt when I left Texas, I replied, "I dunno!". Since then, I've killed more game (deer, hogs, turkeys) here than I ever THOUGHT about in Texas!! Again, LOL!!!
Bubba
Just fyi, this has been going on in Australia, a very tough place to get a gun, for years. I have a friend in Queensland with a 25,000 acre farm/ranch op, and he has had the helos in three times this year. He does not shoot with them, he pays them to come in and cull the pests. Nobody thinks much of it over there, and whatever meat can be derived is donated to the needy.
jim
This is a war! This is an infection! This is a very serious threat to farming, deer hunting, and to all human and animal life. It is a threat to the Texas economy on many levels. Is it ethical? YES, especially when it is your way of life being threatened! Too bad it may help, but it will not solve the problem.
I can't afford it but to those who can, HAVE FUN and shoot straight.
all that missing is a Dillon Aerospace Minigun or a M240G and your on the SWAT team. Really can't you chase them in a pick-up or a jeep like in Jurassic Park? also i have talked to someone(he is a LEO sniper) and you have to use a noveske flash suppressor or silencer becuase there is a backblast inside the chopper. would i do it? yes, if i could use a mini or something like that.
I agree that this is pest control. Hunting ethics have nothing to do with it. If they would let out-of-state hunters in there to shoot hogs any time of the year with little or no cost to the hunter it could help control this problem. The economic gain from reducing the hog population would far outweigh the revenue from out of state license fees. Plus you would have visitors to the state who would contribute to the local ecomony.
Sorry folks, but this is just the sort of thing the anti-hunters will have afield day with. And we are playing right into their hands.
dzinn you are right about a lot of places that used to let people in won't because of liability and past trangressions against them. One way I've found is to build a raport with the land owner and if their willing to accept a signed waiver of their liability from you go the extra step and get the paperwork. If someone does let you on, offer them meat from your kills, offer to help around the ranch whenever needed, basically refer to those good manners your grandparents taught your parents. I use those generations because I know my grandparrents taught my parents more than they taught me and that was more than I taught my children. The place I hunt is a friend of mine's ranch and there are basically 2 rules; 1) shoot a buffalo or goat if you want but if you do you're buying it and 2) Deer, hogs, yotes, foxes, and jack rabbitt are open season because they all affect his ranching negatively somehow. Although because of the buffalo he has no hogs or yotes on his property (I have seen the rest).
can i use a Minni gun??? Lock and load.
As far as the anti gunners, better yet to have a Helo.
Been there, done that! (Of course I had a Huey gunship with an M16 kit. That's four M60s and 14 each 2.75 inch folding fin rockets to do the job)!
As long as we call it eradication, I'm fine, train and leave a blood stain, Pay your bucks and good luck and shoot like...well you get it.SCHWINGS: There are folks that have been calling themselve hunters for yrs and their not, they shoot up other folks property and we wonder why we can't get permission to hunt. $350.00 to train, whatever per hr to shoot(not hunt)lots of folk benefiting, sounds very WIN-WIN for TX.. Properly handled in the field these hogs, any size will eat. Food banks should be a part of this as none of this meat should go to waste. Prisoners are probably eating better than Ladies w/Children in shelters along with homeless, hogs thought to be inedible should be picked up by local prisons to feed those mutts. A divice like GPS should be clicked for every hog so it can be located for removal(cause if there is disease then they should not be left on the land owners property). ROCKRAT: the anti's have always had the biggest mouths to do nothing, they are the NO,NO,NO's with no solution(I'm thinking of an administation).1STBuBBA: lets get into the pro & con of it and then lets put a fork in it and call it done,(only because there are P's & C's)(Yes,I am also afraid stopping quickly)its why were here,respectfully.HANDGUNHTRMAG:we know they ain't gunna get'em all so nicely put it is culling and these ranchers would love to get rid of all these boogers 'cause they won't ever bring @$2500.00 dollar a mangmt. buck will.Thanks MOISHE:, This KISS MY AZZ,I GOT MONEY, attitude is why landowners will always be skepticle of letting the young hunter on their property, they know this attitude exists, now THEY have to sort us out(and we wonder?). DUHWAIN: if we are going to call ourselve hunters it will always be about ethics...period. MCRUMRINE: you are the hunter with the background of well established ethics, you are the reason some landowner say "YES!" JLYNCH34 I came to Texas 27 yrs ago from Michigan and my eyes were hurt wide open(TX. is like an opinion, we don't agree on everything said but it probably needed saying p.s. I ain't ever leav'in) ? If I stepped on toes, my appologies, I love hogs but they do some damage a lot of folks want to shoot them for and I'm behind shooting them but lets not forget we are stewards for future hunters, so lets not make it tough on them. This is just my opinion and I've been wrong before as I have a wife to remind me.
Just for a little variation on theme: why don’t we leave the last few, remaining free creatures in nature alone for the waning hours that this living planet has left because of man’s assault on it? If culling is your answer to mitigate a given species’ destructive impact on the environment, should this method be applied to a certain vastly more destructive invasive species that is destroying the entire planet through global warming, deforestation, over-fishing, resource depletion, pollution, animal extinctions, etc because of its over-population? If not, consider yourself a hypocrite. Most creatures that enter this world are subjected to a hellish existence on this planet by man and his glutinous craving for meat. I reckon that with a hog’s growth rate, each bite of a ham sandwich is equal to 20 minutes of living hell on an animal farm spent lying in their own feces in a cage too small to turn around in. So be sure to savor every bite of that ham sandwich. No one knows how consciousnesses in the universe are merged with living organisms before birth to live their days on this warm, sun-bathed planet. It seems appropriate to me that in a perfectly functioning universe, an intelligent creature that knowingly conducts itself like a parasite should return as one. Or perhaps as a hog.
Wayne Parcels in the house, I mean a rat is a pig is a boy? Brother you sound just like some scientists I work with, kill mice, rats, monkeys, pigs, then give me lip about the way my animal died. You would better serve yourself picking up trash along the highway(every time you stand up you can pat yourself on the back and wait for your NOBLE PRIZE). There are no better stewards to this nations wilds than the OUTDOORSMAN/SPORTSMAN we lay down the bucks and the rest of nation benefits its beauty.FIRESTORMINTHEJELLYJAR you are barking up the wrong tree. This ain't Oprah Magazine. I guess you all know now I don't care much for Bark eat'in bunnyhuggers.
I put up a link about this 3 months ago, what a shoot it could be.
It’s amazing how ignorant people can be; take the raccoons shot in California in some guys backyard. Raccoons look cuddly and sweat but the real truth is; they are killers especially to children who never come in contact with the animal itself. So why is the raccoon so deadly to children without contact? Glad you asked! It’s called Baylisascaris procyonis commonly known as Raccoon Roundworm. Now imagine what parasites and other infectious disease feral hogs will carry from farm to neighborhood to farm? Back in 85 on opening day of season, a couple weeks prior, I was told by the Forest Department to shoot any and all feral goats and leave them. On opening day, 17 came around the ridge on the other side and I dropped 7 of them. Reported it when I got back in town and they converged on the area for the remainder. Come to find out, they were carrying something the F&G Biologists and Forest Service didn’t like!
Does it need to be done?
YES!
If you had a helicopter, big bucks!
Bubba
Funny you bring it up!!!
New place,
New adventure!
Get out and hunt and stop that whining couch potato! If you know what to look for like I did in New Mexico, you'll find what your looking for!
You bet'cha Clay!
You'd be surprised just how far a little "sweat equity" will go!
Bubba
I can just vision someone shooting themself in the foot!
I've seen the XRay to what a 22 Mag revolver will do dead center on top of the foot, shattered the bones like glass! Fella was carrying a Ruger with a round under the hammer when he jumped down into a ditch and the stock of his rifle hit it. We were just north of Paradise Arizona mule deer hunting and they had a long drive to the nearest hospital.
What did he say, Clay?
"Shucky darn."
Bubba
Great information...............BASIC QUESTION...is it worth spending the bucks to travel, in this case, FL to shoot one of these.Cost is about $300. plus processing, meaning, skinning and refrigeration. Really worried about the risk in eating these critters. Also, airfare & car rental. I undestand you can "hunt" them in in New England and PA., enclosed area. What think you?...Best-Blackjac, NJ.
blackjac
NE and Pa are in for a "real" surprise! They tried "fencing" in them things in Tejas! Remember what the scientist said in that "Jurassic Park" (don't remember which one!) movie? "Nature finds a way!" Hogs, even domestic, are "tough" to keep fenced!
As far as the "risk" involved in eating one? I've had the chance to chow down one more than one, from nearly 200 lbs to 3 lbs dressed out! It's delicious, "BBQ'd" or "smoked". Wouldn't give you 10 cents a ton for it fixed any other way! I won't dress out a "feral" hog over about 40 pounds on the hoof! Prefer the 20 pounders. I'll fight over the piglets that can be "smoked" whole!!
In answer to your question,
"Is it worth it?"
I suppose the answer boils down to, "If you've got the moo-la you're willing to burn and/or think it would be fun!"
I spent $3500 on an Alaskan fishing trip last summer! Worth every red cent though I only made it home with 95 lbs of fish valued at $36.84 per pound! You can buy halibut for less than $20 lb.
I would NOT pay one red cent for a "pig" hunt!
THAT'S JUST ME!!!
Your money, your party!
Bubba
P.S. somebody above said leave them for the coyotes!? My neighbor killed three in his pasture last winter and left them lay. The buzzards wouldn't even touch them. It took nearly 3 months for them to rot away!! LOL!!
from wolframthejam
"Just for a little variation on theme: why don’t we leave the last few, remaining free creatures in nature alone for the waning hours that this living planet has left because of man’s assault on it?"
This is a hunting site,in case you fail to comprehend that fact.
Your anti-hunting,man is killing the planet,all animals raised for meat are mistreated,cutting any trees is bad,using any oil is bad,using anything other than stuff you grow and produce yourself is bad,heating cooling your home is killing the planet,having lights on at night is causing global warming comments/opinions and..... kindly post them on a site like PETA,or in the Huffington Post,on MSLSD,or Current TV,or on the Center for Biological Diversity's site,or Natural Resources Defense Council's site.
The feral hogs are just that feral,a non-native species,a danger to other animals,both wild and domestic,a danger to children,to food crops,to family pets,to plant species,to watersheds,to fish,to frogs,to turtles,to salamanders. Also they can contaminate drinking water for both livestock and humans.
Go hug a wolf-preferably in the northern Rockies,outside of the Greater Yellowstone area.
from wolframthejam
"Just for a little variation on theme: why don’t we leave the last few, remaining free creatures in nature alone for the waning hours that this living planet has left because of man’s assault on it?"
This is a hunting site,in case you fail to comprehend that fact.
Your anti-hunting,man is killing the planet,all animals raised for meat are mistreated,cutting any trees is bad,using any oil is bad,using anything other than stuff you grow and produce yourself is bad,heating cooling your home is killing the planet,having lights on at night is causing global warming comments/opinions and..... kindly post them on a site like PETA,or in the Huffington Post,on MSLSD,or Current TV,or on the Center for Biological Diversity's site,or Natural Resources Defense Council's site.
The feral hogs are just that feral,a non-native species,a danger to other animals,both wild and domestic,a danger to children,to food crops,to family pets,to plant species,to watersheds,to fish,to frogs,to turtles,to salamanders. Also they can contaminate drinking water for both livestock and humans.
Go hug a wolf-preferably in the northern Rockies,outside of the Greater Yellowstone area.
sorry about the double post-I only hit the submit button once-no idea why it posted twice.
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