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September 17, 2009

Anti-Deer-Hunting Billboard Goes Up in Kansas City

By Dave Hurteau

From KCTV 5 News:

Opponents of a plan to allow some people to shoot deer in Shawnee Mission Park are upping their efforts to prevent the killings. . . [by posting] a billboard in downtown Kansas City, Mo., . . . [that] reads, "Don't let your tax dollars become blood money. . . ."

"[Words] like bloodlust and ineffective are just not true," Shawnee resident Michael Eagan said at a July parks board meeting. "Not only is this a necessary cull, but it's the only effective way to do it."

However, others had strong words against the plan.

"What you're about to do, gentlemen, is unholy and ungodly," Shawnee resident Vicki Needham said at the July meeting.

Be sure to check out the video.

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from streack wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

In the video the one guy is talking about a compensatory rebound effect...Is this something I have never heard of or is that guy just full of crap?

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from jay wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Its funny they chose a semi-auto pistol (1911?) as the weapon of choice to shoot the 1 month old fawn.

1. There's a good chance in Missouri/Kansas that semi-auto's are not allowed for deer hunting. In IL, semi-auto pistols are not allowed.
2. How many of us here would pull the trigger on the deer in the picture? right, none of us.

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from ENO wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Don't get me started. Something similiar happened at a city owned property less than a block from my house. I woke up one morning to police cars and news reporters on the street right outside my front door. The hunt went on but not enough deer were removed. There were a half a dozen real nice bucks and one true trophy. Long story short the local activists found what they thought was a great way to save the deer. Some guy volunteered to capture the deer and release them in his private "nature preserve". The guy came and captured the deer. But according to the local newspaper his "nature preserve" turned out to be a high fence, pay for your trophy, hunting operation. Sweet justice. The local activists have been pretty quiet since then.

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from ENO wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

jay,

You're talking a foreign language that very few people understand. It's called "Simple Logic".

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

If a wildlife biologist say there are 8 txs more deer on the land than it can hold and they need to be culled, where's the agruement?

It's a shame they are limiting the hunters to off duty police officers.

As for the arguement presented by the anti's. I haven't a clue what that guy was talking about. Compensatory?

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Another anti that does'nt have a clue of what they are talking about. I have never herd of a species that breads more to of set the loss of balance of the heard someone should tell these idots that whitetail usally have up to 3 fawns at a time which is why the over population is not a healthly situation for the deer. Culling a few deer out will not off set the heard but benifit it in the long run. Maybe I am wrong if so I could always use more education.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Would they have the same response if those were feral pigs in their parks and back yards? Well, maybe ... would probably claim they have higher mental abilities than dogs and try to set up an adoption campaign. Completely out of touch with nature.

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from huskerguy wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

How about putting up a billboard of what to many deer in an area can do to you and your vehical.

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from seadog wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

The billboard is obscene. Using a spotted fawn and a semi-auto handgun goes way beyond misleading--it's outrageous.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

What if that deer population got CWD or other diseases? Would that be OK with the anti's?

If 'compensatory rebound effect' really exists, why is it when you do a search on it you don't see a definition, you keep seeing the phrase in some anti-blog or site devoted to their cause. If it does exist and work like they say wouldn't this be the biggest boon to deer herd management ever? Why have we never heard Dr. Karl Miller talk about this? He's the most knowledgeable person on deer I know of.

This looks like another example of 'not in my back yard' to me.

If the deer were allowed to populate to max level uncontrolled, then you get the extreme effect the overpopulated herd has on that environment. In other words there's that much less for all the other creatures in the ecosystem. Then their populations take a hit. Are the anti's taking that into account? I doubt it.

We're back to trying to rationally approach and reason with people that are not reasonable.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Very typical of the anti's... Never let the TRUTH get in the way.
I thought Kansas City was full of meat eaters. Note to self, where not to visit

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from nanaac00 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

bad publicity for KC

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from uplander12 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I live in the KC area and actually heard one lady claim that the deer would rather get CWD than die a slow painful death at the hands of an archer who may or may not be able to execute an ethical kill shot. these people are out of touch with reality. the swift death at the hands of a sportsman would beat wasting away with disease any day. maybe if we name a disease after them (swine flu, mad cow, bird flu, etc.) people will want them out of their way ASAP.

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Compensatory Rebound Effect is completely made up. When you thin a herd, the deer don't magically start reproducing 4 times a year to fill in the gaps.. What is real, is the Chronic Wasting Disease Effect. Where too many deer spread disease like wildefire and they die.. Perhaps all of the anti's should get to look at deer that suffer through CWD as opposed to a clean kill. There is simply no logic running through these people's heads.. As you can see with their billboard killing bambi with a 1911. It's pathetic they still get any acknowlegdement by the media..

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from babsfish4life wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Now that these freaks lost the battle with the wolves in the rocky mountains they are off to Kansas. I'm just glad there gone from my state, heard they could really use environmentalists in Antarctica. I think the deer hunts are unregulated there, killing fawns with howitzers and everything. I would donate a slow leaking canoe to the effort.

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from nanaac00 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

because we all walk around toting pistols, blasting fawns

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I think its kinda comical, that billboard in Kansas City, If that was a angus calf instead of the fawn they'd all be saying MMMM Veal!!!! Hey hows the wolf hunts going? How come no more coverage on them???

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I goggled Compensatory Rebound Effect or (CRE)

http://www.all-creatures.org/hope/deer-20080107.htm

Just check out this website. I think I'm gonna puke.

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from uplander12 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

So here's the "master plan" from the fledgling radical animal rights group kc bite club. http://biteclubkc.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/slaughter/ it involves setting up a pen in 10-50 acres of the park and putting 375 deer in there and feeding the deer in the pen while sterilizing them. If 1200 acres isn't enough for 400 deer, why would 50 acres be enough for 375? ridiculous. the plan also includes setting up a viewing area and charging people to look at the deer. this "humane, cost effective plan" is equal to putting the herd in a zoo. wonder how they feel about zoos?

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from Levi Banks wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I live a little east of KC in Columbia, MO and the city has a program where they open up city property and parks to bowhunting for deer. There has been some opposition, but not a lot of problems with antis as far as I can tell. It is however off-limits to shoot albino deer, there is definitely population of them around town, because some people got really worked up about it.

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from BarkinSpider wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

So much for truth in advertising.

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from Newenglandcharters wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a semi auto pistol of suffuicent caliber for deer hunting.

Just about any cartidge that starts with .4 will do with the proper bullett and powder.

I would use a .45ACP +P with corbond jacketed hollow point or solid bullett for maximum shock. of course a Semi Auto with .357 mag or .44 mag will also work just fine. The deer wont know the differance if it came from a revolver or semiauto.

of course if all the deer are Bar-B-Que size like the one in the Billboard I would just bring them home to grain feed for anouther year.

Lots of people hunt with handguns. Its all about shot placement and is actually safer in an urban enviorment than using a high powered rifle.

Capt Walt

Master Maine Guide

Newenglandcharters@maine.rr.com

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

buckhunter I'm dry heaving right there with you.. what a joke.. in that article they claim they have proved the CRE, as well as proved that the city of Pepper Pike is on a mission to endlessly kill all of the animals. There are two enormous faults in both of those claims. 1st, their proof of CRE. Note how from the time the city culled off the population from 31/sq. mi. to 19/sq. mi. a year passes in their records before cull #2. According to their CRE claim, the population would then be right back up to 31 (OR EVEN HIGHER!!) Not so much. The next year, they are still going after the 19 to try and get it down to their 13 mark they originally set out. The first cull killed off 133 deer (falling short of their mark) so the next year the mayor calls out for a quota of 45. These morons of opponents to the cull don't even have numbers to see if they met the quota and they just complain they're killing endlessly. Long story short they throw out all this fact based info that they're going to use to prove there is so much wrong being done, and in the end they trail off, forgetting what they were complaining about, don't provide any hard fast results, and just say they were right all along and everyone should hate the people involved.. STUPIDITY!!

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from Hunt_Hard wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

This is just another one of those things that we need to let roll off of our back. This is such an exaggerated/unreal statement that this billboard is making that is is quite comical.

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from jay wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Newenglandcharters, I agree a .45 would do the job out to about 30 yards assuming someone can shoot it that accurately. I myself shoot a smith 629 .44mag with a 8inch barrel and can shoot 4x's the groups as my best shooting semi auto (beretta 92). My point was they could have shown a bow, bolt action rifle or shotgun which are far and above more popular choices than a semi-auto pistol for deer. They pictured that pistol because many uniformed folks would associate that kind of weapon with gang banging cop killing thugs.

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from peter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

radical idiots dont know what theyre talkin about so they just put lies of someone shootin a fawn from 2 feet

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I live 10 miles from the park and have been there many times. You wouldn't believe the number of deer. There is a browse line everywhere you look.
Last night on the local news they covered a meeting of the park board. Lots of idiots showed up to protest and one rather effiminate looking young man was thrown out. It was mostly young women. One even had red paint all over her face and neck. Guess it was supposed to look like blood. Anything the loons come up with is covered by the local state run media.
The approved plan is to have sharpshooters take out a percentage of the herd then allow bowhunters in. That of course is bassackwards to what it should be. The shooting will educate the deer and make bowhunting more difficult.

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from seadog wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Hey buckhunter, thanks for the link to that fantasyland website--now I want to poke my eyes out. lol
To Newenglandcharters, like jay, I agree that it's OK to use a semi-auto handgun to hunt. This billboard deliberatly used it to create an irrational emotional effect. They don't want the viewer to think of a self-defense, law enforcement, or even a hunting weapon--they're going for executioner, gangland style. This is false advertising at it's finest.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Atleast if they're gonna put up a picture of a deer and gun they should put a rifle or shotgun and an adult deer. Once again this shows their ignorance. It's illegal to kill spotted fawns and I don't know anyone that uses a semi automatic pistol with the maximum effective range of 50 meters. I like the 3 blood spots it adds dramatic effect.

Hmmm Stop the slaughter of deer? I guess they've never seen a starving herd or animal or one ravaged with disease.
What about the crop damage from population explosion?
What about the vehicle/deer collisions if anything thats an inhumane way to go.

This is another reason wildlife / hunter education needs to be mandatory in school.

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from Messer11 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

How dumb can people get? People want to tolerate everything nowadays, but when it comes to hunting we shouldn't get any rights, according to them.

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from ranger2 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

So many good thoughts... I guess what this comes down to is that a significant portion of Americans have contracted a case of terminal stupidity.
It must be contageous amongst urban dwelling people that have nothing truly important to focus their time and energy on.
Perhaps awareness should be drawn to the fact that millions of children in the United States go to bed each night with not enough food in their stomachs, let alone the number in other countries around the world. Maybe someone could convince these chronically ignorant louts that if we harvest some deer, we can keep the deer herds from starving to death and donate a good portion of the venison to feed underpriveleged families.
But "stupid is as stupid does," Forrest Gump would put it like that, I think...

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from horseman308 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

There was a similar problem at a park in Columbus when I lived there. A large park (several hundred acres) that was completely fenced and surrounded on all sides by freeway and housing developments had started out as a great little isolated habitat. After several years, though, the herd became too large for the habitat to support and there was no way for them to get out. There was a proposal to allow very limited permits to bowhunters to cull the deer. With the outcry of anti's, it never happened (at least not that I know of). Apparently, they were more willing to see them starve to death or spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to try and trap some of them.

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from dave the bowhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

thats how smart the antis are how many people do you see shooting a fawn as high as yours knees with spots all over it be alot of meat on that wouldnt there be now

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from Ruckweiler wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

These idiots probably think that their hamburger comes from the store. Definitely a case of arrested mental development. Sad that people this dumb are allowed to vote or breed. Let's cull them.

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from dave the bowhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

dont these lettuce eaters know that lettuce has a heart

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from dave the bowhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

i think if we stop the slaughter of all garden plants then the antis would starve to death there self ,now that sounds like a idea to me...

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from Fruguy101 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Here's what we should do. Gather up all the anti hunting fanatics and put them in a building. Only let them breed with each other. then, after a decade or so of inbreeding, open up the building and see what the effects have been.

I guess these people have never heard of genetics. It is common sense that deer that are allowed to overpopulate any area eventually inbreed until disease and deformation start occurring regularly. Wildlife biologists will agree that effective deer management requires killing a certain number of deer every year.

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from country road wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

These antis are using emotional arguments that have no basis in fact. I guess they are going to take my lawn mower away from me to "stop the slaughter" of crickets every time I crank up.

Don't you just love it when they bring God and religion into it? "Unholy and ungodly"---horseapples! I tend to think that advertising such as this will affect only those who already feel this way or those weak minded individuals at the swampy end of the liberal landscape.

It's ridiculous, but scary that there are people who believe this way. ---And they are allowed to vote and have children.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

The anti's not likely to come to a logical conclusion because they are already at their own FUBAR logical conclusion. I'm pretty sure most of the people have no idea what animals in the wild are really like. There are probably a few, but most are part of the group and have bought into their own groupthink. Since that is the only view they are open to it just gets reinforced that much more.

We're perceived as 'snuffing out Bambi and Thumper' so we have no credibility in their eyes.

FWIW the gun on the billboard looks like someone grafted a Beretta triggerguard onto a 1911 - just some dumb clipart from somewhere.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I just looked at the link that buckhunter provided, and its kinda of sad that these people think that they are in the right. I looked at some of their other post and in one they have pics of starving deer, now why is it that these fools think it is okay for them to starve to death rather than a hunter makeing a quick and humane kill. Do they actually like watching animals suffer. Hell I could go on for days about some of the crap I saw on that sight makes me sick. All I can say is I think that they are dip!@#$%. Sorry for the rant

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from waterdrinker9 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

How many people on here hunt with a semi-auto handgun on a regular basis. Putting the handgun on the billboard shows how dumb the anti-hunters are.

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from huntenthusiest wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Just think of the long rut season they'll have when these deer compensate for the loss.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Give them a year or two when the deer population explodes, cars start hitting deer and causing fatal accidents, parasites and damage to property costing countless of thousands of dollars to the community.

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from MOturkey wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

It will either be the Sharp shooter or the Shawnee folks in their Smart Cars, Prius, or BMW's. Either way deers will be killed. Does anyone have a pic of a small car vs a deer?

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Not of small car vs deer but some of midsize and trucks vs deer can be found on google. Not pretty!

I don't understand these so called animal rights peaple and their extreme b.s.

They must all live in the city in the same apartment complex feedin the rats and roaches because trapping the disease ridden critters is inhumane.
All those organizations need to move to somewhere in south america or an uninhabited island on the Aluetion chain with no guns, fishin poles or any other type hunting/fishing device. Alocation that has Grizzlies or big cats and gators + some game animals. BTW it's remot so no stores or cars etc. No Air strips either so theres no chance of em gettin out of there.

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from JohnR wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I agree with Buckhunter. Why are only off duty police officers allowed to hunt the deer? Do they get to keep the meat? Why not raffle off X number of tickets to take a deer in the park? I suppose that only off duty police officers are able to sucessfully harvest a deer!

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from GERG wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

This kinda crap angers me to no end! Here in AR the state and or city of Hot Springs Village just allowed a hunt inside the limits. This was or is to control the exploding population.Sorry if my details are sketchy but I just saw a blurb in the local news. No rukus raised or nothin. Thank goodness. The people that put up billboards such as this(my opinion)have a mental defect. Guess they can go pick a cheesebuger off the cheese burger tree.Why can they not understand the concept of fairchase? I love beef but I never saw a cow that had a sporting chance. If they are vegans, never met one that wasnt pasty and sickly lookin.Ok, maybe I'm gettin a little stereotypical. I have aquaitances of both ilk, vegatararians not so bad, vegans nut cases. The Vegan feels the same about me. So we can agree to disagree.The vegan I know would not put up a billboard so I can tolerate him. Runnin on a bit here. Guess the bottom line is true sportsmen would not resort to such tactics and tha makes me PROUD!!!

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I googled "My ass from a hole in the ground" LOL.Its a sad grasp at straws seeing that this is still going on.Cars kill way more rogue fawns then 1911's.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

They need to have a regular lottery for tags so anyone who archery hunts can get one. Then everyone who is successful should take a picture of the deer and themselves with their bows. Then at the end of each year they should put all these pictures on a sign next to this one that has written in big letters, (Help manage your wildlife, eat deer!!!). That would be hilarious and prove the point quite well.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I think all the deer meat should be taken to either the Food banks or utilized at Shelters and Soup kitchens.
They could also offset costs of school meals by providing venison that was harvested and donated.
They should also let experienced hunters assist in the taking of the animals under a special issue management license at no cost to the hunter.

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from shane wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Options:

- Shoot them

- Bring back wolves

- Watch a zillion mangy, starving deer die of disease and spread it elsewhere

Hmm...

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from idahooutdoors wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Watching the deer die of starvation, vehicle collisions and disease is such a better option....our deer around town became overpopulated and then were all but wiped out a few summers ago by EHD, watching them slowly die while blood oozed from their eyes, nose, and mouths as they stumbled around in a fevered daze was so much more humane than having a depredation hunt....the smell of deer rotting around the county in August was also so much better than deer steak cooking on the grill....I see their logic...not....offer a better solution, maybe we will listen, otherwise your just part of the problem...

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from matouse3 wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Its really unfortunate that due to all the flack they would get, they are unable to offer these hunts to paying sportsmen/women that would line up for these hunts and put the meat on their tables. Instead they are paying the local cops to go out there and cull the herd.

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from EricAichele wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I think I'm more enraged that the billboard is horribly designed and someone paid money to have that thing printed. THE HORROR. ( The message is stupid as well, don't get me wrong. )

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from Kris24 wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Why not let bowhunters thin the heard with extended permit type bowhunts. They could open an extended hunt to X amount of hunters with no limit, and the meat could be used by those hunters and donated as well. I dont like the idea of the cops getting to kill all of the deer. I think the local bowhunters should be given a chance. Also, the people that live against the track of land should be able to harvest the deer in their yards with a bow if they would like.

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from niteflyer54 wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

It's a sad day in America when it's all about lying to get your point across. I read that crap on CRE. How did we magically produce 3 fawns one year and then 8 the next? Have some of those anti's taken a walk in the north woods in the winter and see the dead or starving/dying deer? Or have they camped out in the winter and listened to the cacophony of coyotes running down a deer. That'll put a chill down their spines. They cannot hear that stuff or see it from there townhouses in the city.

** Wake up America. They are among us and they VOTE! **

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Where do you suppose all these deer come from? Because Kanasas too busy with their food plot to build large antlered deer and plenty of food availablity means more fawn births as well. Where there are killing in another town over the deer will start seeking shelter where there is no killing. Its because of the hunting industry we have so many deer for the hunting industry so busy with female reproductive system to ensure fawn birth mainly the males for "recruits" as they call it. What happenning in Shawnee park is the end result and out of towns desperation they mass kill the deer even the fawns as if they were nothing more then mere objects. The hunting industry should know about compensatory rebound effect and maybe they do and their plans are to "restart" fresh and hoping more fawn birth thus more male birth too.

A quote fro QDM (your disgsuting people)

"By keeping the deer population below the carrying
capacity of the available habitat, more forage (nutrition) is
available per deer. Thus, does are healthier, reproductive
success is higher and more does are able to carry two
fawns. Ironically, this can result in a greater deer harvest
each year. Depending on the relationship of the population
and the carrying capacity, an “optimum sustained
yield” can be achieved where a relatively high reproductive
rate allows an abundant harvest each fall. With highquality
habitat and increased nutrition, the percentage of
doe fawns that breed their fi rst fall increases (sometimes
up to 25 percent). Also, a higher percentage of yearling
does produce two fawns instead of one. Because fawns
are born at approximately a 1:1 sex ratio, more bucks may
be born each year. Therefore, in some areas, you actually
can increase the number of bucks born by shooting more
does."

The non-killing public should know once this lethal mass slaughter of deer is implemented there will be a never ending deer problems and of course excuses for killing every year after year which is good for the killing industry.

About the deer carcass to the pantries -You are all so pro-slaughter then you take the slaughered bodies and eat the meat and not dump carcass that are non-usda inspected and potential risk of CWD and other underlying diseases the pantries. The pantries are an easy way for the wildlife serial killers to kill more deer because its easy to "give" what you don't want. .

The hunting cause nothing but pain and suffering over and over again because lowlife scums with the mind of serial killers need to have their thrill kill. I hope they do start the DAA and maybe Kanasas will be the first of many states and counties to take up non-lethal options and live in more civilized society.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Wildlife serial killers always speak of "overpopulaiton" and "starvation" then explain to me why in "Deer management" website they use the words "produce" , "Provide", "fawn crops" , supplement feeding' "food plots" "fawn recruites" and "killing predators" such as coyotes.

"The number of new deer added to the pre-hunt population is a function of the number of fawns born and their survival until until the fall. The number of fawns born is primarily determined by the number of does, but the survival of fawns, however, is mostly dependent upon the physical condition of does, although predation is certainly a factor is some situations. A large number of does that are nutritionally stressed will not raise as many fawns to be added to the fall population as a lesser number of healthy does." Deer Hunting and Management TX

Thus, late fall up to early winter is very important for deer herd managers to impact and influence fawn production, so make sure the plant communities on your property is properly managed deer habitat. " Deer Hunting and Management TX

"Some people disagree with shooting antlerless deer; they reason that protecting them -- thus maintaining a maximum breeding base -- will assure large numbers of antlered bucks because terrific numbers of deer will be born each year and button bucks wouldn't be harvested. "PA. Game Commission

"Historically in all states, including West Virginia, hunting regulation have been restrictive during the period of deer restoration with mainly short buck-only season to protect does and encourage deer population growth. As deer becomes more abundant, more liberal hunting regulations including antlerless harvest are required to limit population growth." Fundamentals of Deer Management W. VA.

" Fawn crop is often density dependent. Generally, as doe numbers increase, fawn production per doe decreases. Fewer does can and often do raise more fawns to weaning age than more abundant does." QDM

Doesn't sound like reduction there does it? Continue...

"Deer managers agree that supplemental feeding, whether it be protein pellets, whole cotton seed, or some other type of high-protein food, really helps local deer populations." Deer Management TX

"Managing for proper nutrition in white-tailed deer is important for good body condition, good fawn production and recruitment, and maximum antler growth. Good nutrition can be accomplished by doing three things that involve proper habitat management, supplemental feeding, and the planting of food plots." Deer Managemetn TX

What is the definition of "recruit"?

1. to raise or strengthen (an army, navy, deer herd) by enlisting personnel (in this case, fawns)

3. to enlist (new members), as for a party or organization (or deer to kill for sports)

2. to increase or maintain by supplying anew; replenish (which of course is deer, preferably bucks)

P.129 "With supplemental feeding, it becomes very easy to maitain artificialy high deer densities and still obtain adequate results in terms of antler and body growth." Producing Quality Whitetails Revised Edition
Al Brothers and Murphy E. Ray, Jr. Edited by Charly McTee

" Thus, does are healthier, reproductive
success is higher and more does are able to carry two fawns. Ironically, this can result in a greater deer harvest each year." Quality Deer Management

@86RAm

WHY DON'T ALL OF YOU KILLERS EAT THE MEAT?! Did you all know the CWD was found in W.Va last year and its written that PRions cannot be destroyed unless in extremely high heat where the carcass become liquified.

"Prions are simply proteins, not living organisms, and they can survive almost anything, even hundreds of degrees of heat. Placing infected tissue in a landfill simply removes it, but scientists worry that the prions can leach through soil and groundwater, and spread.
Incineration is possible, but it isn't as easy as burning the carcass in a fire. Temperatures of more than 1,100 degrees Fahrenheit — sometimes up to 1,800 degrees — are required to effectively neutralize prions. Unlike most bacteria, regular cooking won't help at all.
"Disposal issues are tough," says Barbara Powers, director of Colorado State University's Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory."

This is what you want to "give" to the pantries? YOU AND YOUR FAMILY EAT IT THE CARCASS THEN. Ship it your families in the states and let consume it not poison the pantries!

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Ms. Caroline TC,
Respectfully,

QDM didn't make the park, or the city habitat that these deer are occupying. Why don't you heap some blame on the urban sprawl and people feeding the deer, and the uncontrolled population circumstances. Better yet lets call in a nuke strike and take out the whole town. Problem solved.

OK you see my last statement was not logical. Likewise you are taking stuff out of context from a guide for a different wildlife setting and trying to tie this circumstance to it -NOT LOGICAL EITHER.

You are yapping about the problem. Why don't you put forward a SOLUTION to the problem. Nobody here on this thread created or wanted this problem. What is the cost of your solution? You have already assumed we all have no heart and are thugs. I think everyone here is about solving it (the problem).

How about instead of spending money on billboards STFU and DO SOMETHING. It sure sounds like to me you think this problem should be solved by....somebody else besides yourself.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

The billboard was a brilliant idea and one of the first step is exposing to the non-killing public the horrfic cruelty of lethal deer killing whether its bait and shoot or bowhunting. As I say this time and time again so long as we have recreational wildlife killing where hunters mass killing causing compensatory rebound and to top it off they are using food plots, supplement feeding to grow large antlered deer there will ALWAYS BE "too many deer" . Kanasa would be a start if we implement the DAA but the pro-kill government and state wildlife serial killing agencies fear becaus they know it will work and letahl will be the thing of the past.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Reality Math Lesson #1:

Around here a billboard like that(in a high traffic area) costs about $3500/mo. with a 12 month contract plus artwork/setup cost. I bet one in KC costs a bit more than that....

OK math lesson:
12x 3500= um....carry the 1..... that's $42000. Add another $1000 for art/setup....$43,000

Y'all spent $43K (minimum) on trying to make hunters out to be killers, when that kind of money could have gone to feed hungry people (or do other worthy things) and would do immense amounts of good. You have no moral leg to stand on. You can't even feed human beings much less deal with deer in the park.

What have you to say for yourselves? You'd rather people starve than deer? Go get back in your Subaru with the rainbow sticker and dreamcatcher on the rear- view-mirror and drive your sorry keesters back to Shametown.

When you develop a logical argument that is fact-based we can chat again. You are dismissed. Go play in the park with the deer.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Actually there was a flaw in my above conclusion; you would rather people AND deer starve....more shame for you!

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

dear caroline tc... welcome to free speech. unless your posts become vulgar chances are that your "logic" will remain for all to see- unlike my posts to biteclub... if you should happen to question any part of their plan or claims your speech will be censored... perhaps you could tell me, caroline, there was a claim that it takes an average of seventeen arrows to bring down a deer. do you have access to the evidence of this? better yet, introduce me to the hunter that could manage to get seventeen arrows into a deer... i want to shake that hunter's hand...truly an incredible feat.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

The cost is not "3,500" its much cheaper and with all the money the wildife serial killers spend on food plots and supplement feeding you can spend that amount of money feeding the poor not by dumping a potentially diseased carcass.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

The "17 arrow" comment is this..

"Statistics gathered since the 1970s show that the non-lethal wounding rate of bow-hunting is around 50%, and that to kill one deer, an average of 17 arrows would have been shot, most hitting non-vital parts of the deer (anywhere but the chest), or missing altogether. "

I think you know what he meant.

There is enough wounding and crippling from bowhunting and we know that bowhunted deer death is never "quick" that is why in bowhunting manual they are required to wait the minimum of 30-45 min before tracking the deer Yup Bubbahs are up on the tree stand doing high fives as deer is suffering and drowing in their own blood. I have even watched videos of bowhunting and heard the bowkillers say "we should give it time" so "time" for what? Time for the animals to "lay up and die"? How cold hearted and cruel can you all be?!

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Plus all that deer you produce with your food plots and supplement feedig has killed thousands upon thousand of innocent human from deer vehicle accidents.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

caroline, consider this, we humans have survived through 6 major extinction events throughout time. supervolcanoes and meteorstrikes etc. all destroying bout 95% of all life on this planet, creating immense duststorms in the atmosphere in some cases that would block out sunlight for years. in those cases all plantlife died. only the seeds lived to replenish the earth when the dust settled, and what do u think your ancient ancestors ate then when waiting for the dust to settle?? the only available food to them at the time. meat! All living humans today r alive cos our ancestors ate meat to survive, and so would u if u wanted to live in such a situation..
So get off your moral high horse and get real..
peace;)

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from Ruckweiler wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline:
Can we just cull you and your kind from the gene pool?

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

CarolineTC: 1st of All GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!
This billboard is NOT a real representation of hunters!
NOT all hunters bait or grow food plots.
Not all hunters go out in the woods with camera crews and hi five each other in a treestand.
Most hunters try to make a kill as clean and humane as possible.
Stop watchin the idiot box obviuosly it's affecting you.
You must hang out with your PETS, HSUS and ASPCA buddies and dream up all kinds of lies and misguided BS.
Why don't you take a Hunters education course, read up on bovine tb, anthrax, hoof and mouth, cwd, mad cow disease and herd starvation.
Let me guess you've never watched the discovery channel and seen crocs gators, hyenas, wolves or lions make a kill or turtles or predatory fish like pike, sharks etc. Those animals they kill die while being consumed, they die from shock and blood loss while the animal is eating them ALIVE! but in your eyes that's just nature and its humane for them to do it. But a man or woman putting an arrow or bullet in the heart, lung(s) or brains of and animal ensuring a quick and humane as possible kill is unethical.
Let me guess you've never been to a slaughter house either? But you wear leather, carry a leather purse, use makeup, and I'll bet you eat fish, crustaceans (shrimp, crab, lobster), beef, pork and or chicken and of course eggs.
What a hypacrite you are! You judge us yet you wont take a hard look in the mirror.

You ever see a deer or any animal starving?
You ever see an animal get hit by a car?
Let me guess you tend to close your eyes and pretend it's not there.
Get off your high horse and do some real research. Alot has changed since the 1970's.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

One more thing I do eat deer meat, squirrel, rabbit, bear, beef, pork, chicken and more. Now I was suggesting that we take care of the people who need to be taken care of i.e the hungry, the homeless and to cut cost in schools. If it were used in schools you hypocrite it would be tested for all the potential sdiseases out there. You have more of a chance of contracting e coli or salmonella from the groceries (meats and veggies) in stores right now than CWD from deer meat. So you just go on beiving in your fairy tales with your PETA, HSUS and ASPCA buddies.
Don't come crawlin to me to feed your sorry butt when the grociery stores fail health inspections and you are starvin while im enjoyin some brunswick stew with deer meat or some rabbit with my home grown salad.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I've actually seen does with triplets have you caroline? have you ever watched a deer in the woods, herard a buck snort, weaze or grunt or even rub a tree? Have you ever seen one use a lickin stick? have you ever walked up on a bedded buck? Have you ever listened to a squirrel bark and watched them play or run up and down trees? Have you ever had a deer walk up on you? Have you ever had a squirrel eating acorns on a limb right next to you in a tree? have you had a hawk fly overhead while walkin thru the woods? Have you heard wild boar rooting in the woods? Have you been close enough to touch a moose?
Have you watched a covey of quail? Have you ever watched turkey or grouse strut and strum? Have you called in a quail, deer or anything other than an pizza? Do you even know what I'm talking about?
I have. I've also helped improve wildlife habitat by planting trees, native berry plants, and built bird houses and supporting the NWTF, Ducks Unlimited and other conservation programs. My tax dollars license fees and time go into wildlife habitat improvement and protection.
I've turned in personnel with guns that shot out of their vehicle. I've helped farmers who were suffering from crop damage by deer. Crops meant to feed people like you that are dependant on everyone else. Crops that are used to make pet foods, makeups, oils, soy milk etc.

HAVE YOU ? What have you done for your fellow man/woman?

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

@ingebristen
Are you for real? lol/ Who the heck is talking about man and killing for survival? we are talking about human who today kill for self gratification/sports/trophy and recreation and you know damn well. YOur ranting of "supervolcanoes" and "meteorstrikes" hahhahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! besides, early man ate nuts and seeds, meat came later on buddy!

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline people like you are what's wrong with this country. You're selfish and dependant on others and let misguided ideals and altered facts from organizations that like you are dependant on others yet won't lift a hand to help anyone else. These organizations do their thinking for you and you utter their sludge thru your pie hole. That's a shame you seem like an educated person
with alot more to learn.

Anyone else agree or disagree?

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I don't kill for trophies I kill to eat. BTW It does taste better than beef

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I don't bait, grow a food plot, trophy hunt or think of hunting as a sport. I take offense to that ideology.
I also don't kill fawns or for pleasure.

Let me tell you one thing I go out in the woods to escape idiots. I kill to eat. I hunt because it takes my mind off things I've seen while serving my country. I enjoy watching wildlife and doing what I can to preserve and conserve it and my rights. I don't always kill when I do go out into the woods either that's just part of life.

You go on believin what you do and sittin on your couch eating animal by products not knowing where it came from if it were electricuted, stunned or whatever they do in slaughter houses these days.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

"Most hunters try to make a kill as clean and humane as possible."

Some may try but its does not happen very ofen especially in cases of bowkilling. In bowkilling WE KNOW those hunters are ALL sadist because even if there was a hunter with "compassion" *cough* it would at least a tad bit believable if he was using a shot gun and says he tries to makes as quick and clean as kill possible, but absoluetly not with lowlife using a bow and arrow for they chose the sadistic weapon to kill with when they had a choice.

I am not peta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nyNuZ4CEks

"Why don't you take a Hunters education course, read up on bovine tb, anthrax, hoof and mouth, cwd, mad cow disease and herd starvation."

Why would I need to get an "education" from pro-kill organization that are all about lies? I get my information from CWD/Mad Deer Disease/Prions/CJD website. What do wildlife serial killers know about the dangerous agent called Prions? They do know that Prion will kill humans and they do know that if they eat the carcass they are at risk of dying from the disease so that is why they are more then happy to "give" to the pantries. .

"Let me guess you've never watched the discovery channel and seen crocs gators, hyenas, wolves or lions make a kill or turtles or predatory fish like pike, sharks etc. Those animals they kill die while being consumed, they die from shock and blood loss while the animal is eating them ALIVE! but in your eyes that's just nature and its humane for them to do it."

Oh yes I have seen them even as a child but I had to close my eyes because I could not stand to see death. I thought it was so unfair for the animals to die from another animlas but of course we learn that predator and prey is a very important part of a healthy eco system. Sure the death maybe brutal , some quicker then others but animals kill other animals for hunger and survival. If they do not kill they too will die BUT, in mans case
#1. Man do not need to kill in order to survive we can live healthy in a non-flesh diet
#2. What is worse is the killing is not even about food but about recreationa which is another word for "amusement".
#3. Coyotes, cougars, mountain lion, wolves do not have to let the deer "lay up and die" like the bowhunters do. #4 Coyotes, cougars, mountain lion, and wolves do not leave 68,000 wounded deer in the forest ground only to suffer and die a horrible death like hunters did in Wisconsin 2008.

"Let me guess you've never been to a slaughter house either?"

Nope and I bet you never have either but I am an abolitionist vegan and have a youtube channel for animals in slaughterhouses. Yes I have seen enough in videos.

http://www.youtube.com/user/dandelion45

"But you wear leather, carry a leather purse, use makeup, and I'll bet you eat fish, crustaceans (shrimp, crab, lobster), beef, pork and or chicken and of course eggs.
What a hypacrite you are! You judge us yet you wont take a hard look in the mirror."

I am a very simple vegan women and I think you know what "Vegan" means. Now we do know that hunters indirectly cause pain and suffering to slaughterhouse animals for food and directly cause pain and suffering to our sentient being for "fun" .

"You ever see a deer or any animal starving?"

I seen animals suffering and I have seen human suffering so is that an excuses to kill human too? And whats with this "starvation" excuses I never seen any of you kill a thin emaciated deer . Also I bet you did not know that deer and many hunted animals size have gotten smaller because of hunters killing the biggest and baddest ones ? I hear Elk, whitetails and certain species of bears gotten smaller so that means their stregnth to survive is not good. I bet you know that CWD was first spread by supplement feeding rendered animals to deer and Elk to create large antlered deer so spare me your duck stamp and your "pat yourself in the back" crap of "hunters for hungry" lol . There are 150 billion pounds of edible food wasted in America every year so if you really "care" about the hungry then go start a food salavage program with your killing buddies but of course you would not do that beause it does not benfit you does it?

"Unlimited and other conservation programs. My tax dollars license fees and time go into wildlife habitat improvement and protection."

The money for "conservation" means more land to use as a killing field and to propagate tons of game animals for lowlife scumbag to kill for sports. In fact I heard its getting expensive to continuouly created large antlered buck and to grow fawn crops and fawn recruites to be a future targets for human amusment.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

BTW caroline you're a contributing factor to these deer and their current situation:
How you might ask. I'm guessing you live in the city or subburbs? How many acres of land was deforrested to make room for you and your city friends? How much shore line on a river, stream, ocean or other water source was impacted by your metropolis? How many species of wildlife went extinct in your area (city limits)? How many were pushed out into highways to be hit by cars? How many were pushed out into larger groups to spread diseases they weren't immune to? How many? How much sewer sludge from your city/subburb flows into streams, rivers and eventually to the ocean doing far greater damage than one hunter? Because your city affects every man woman child, animal plant and water source.

You like facts those are facts. You want truth that's a truth, You want more keep comin up with your nonsense

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

"I've actually seen does with triplets have you caroline? " Yes I have right in my yard they come to play with their mother. Their names is hope, faith and charity but we lost one the other day sadly.

Here is one of the three I took yesterday (the way I "shoot" animals). We have two but I found charity the other day which broke my heart.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/IMG_2001.jpg

"have you ever watched a deer in the woods, herard a buck snort, weaze or grunt or even rub a tree? "

I have watched bucks shed their velvet just this past season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SeJmhXl4FU

"Have you ever had a deer walk up on you? "

Of course I have so many deer that comes up to me. Here is prettyboy coming for apple

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUaWfz5_SGc

And I have heard everyone of their different types of noises. Each one had their own little personality too the reasonn why I say past tenses is I lost quiet a few during the past years to bowkillers who kills for their beatufiul antlers. Why do you all kill for bones on top of their heads that is what I wonder? You have to have the antelr around your finger for what reason? Why do you call a dead animals with huge antler a "stud"?

My little video I made with collection of photos and video clips (live animals not snuff videos like yours)

Its called "When God wanted earths angel he created deer"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-WMetLLEQ

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

CarolineTC
You must be the most ignorant person I have ever seen babble. Youtube is not a source of truth!! I have been to packing houses more than once, and my grandparents own a private locker. I am a rancher, hunter, ag specialist, and conservationist. I have learned from life, school and commen sense. It is human nature to eat the best tasting food, which is meat. You don't have to eat meat but I do. Take your bs and try telling someone else what to do. I hunt deer, antelope, pheasant, grouse and elk. I eat them all, and I shoot more than just males. I am a trophy hunter, but everything I take is a trophy to me whether it is an mature doe, or buck. I make my living with agriculture as I raise wheat and cattle. I can tell you right now that if everyone only ate the way vegans do there would be a lot less food to go around. There wouldn't be enough for everyone and more people would go hungry. You will argue that the ground that we use for animals could be used for vegetables and other plant crops for human consumption, but you would be wrong. Most of our ground that is pasture is pasture because it can't be farmed. You are unethical in your opinions, and are drinking too much liberal coolaid. Go eat your rice patty and be grateful you have food to eat.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline you are truly misguided. look up the definition of conservation I won't do it for you. My definition of conservation is alot different than yours apparently. If it werent for us Hunters there'd be no national parks, bison, elk, deer or other animals. The waters would be void of life because of consumer leaches such as yourself that expect others to do the dirty work and take the heat would destroy it or put the animals in zoos.

Food salvage program lady have you ever heard of the program Hunters for the hungry? Or that organizations like NWTF doing food drives for the needy and donating turkeys and other foods to the needy and food pantries?

Have you seen the surplus food we send overseas? Food that could be used here? You start a program. Quit tellin us to do somethin you take the initiative and quit relying on other while you b**** and wine about your issue with hunting. Help somebody else for a change.
I help people everyday or atleast try to.

I don't do anything for the benefit of killing.

I've been to a slaughter house yes ma'am and smoke houses too. I've butchered animals to include chicken, moose and helped with hogs

I've seen animals suffer too. I've seen people suffer too. Ive seen emaciated deer in some of the worst drought consditions the south had seen in yrs.

Let me guess you don't believe man was born naked and the first things used to cloth man was an animal hide.

You think that its amusing to kill somethin I hope you never see what i've seen there is nothing amusing about killing something I told you i dont take pleasure in killing But I hunt and I do eat what i kill.and I'm not a trophy hunter either.

Apparently you closed minded hypocrite you didn't read what I posted that or you didn't fully understand it.

You go to a third world country they slaughter animals by cutting their throats.
You truly are a self rightous crackpot. You can't stand to see suffering and death and yet you perpetuate it with your stupid bill boards and cities. Hunter education is about more than hunting its about taking responsibility for your actions and that everything you do has a cause and affect.

Let me guess you'd spit on Soldiers too cause the war is wrong and causes unnecessary suffering. Well lady I'm a Soldier so just try it. Say somethin else about suffering cause let me tell you somethin unless you've been where I've been or to Walter Reed or a VA hospital you haven't seen or dealt with sh**! So once again get off you moral high horse.

What you see on tv and the discovery channel as far as the wildlife (predator vs prey)you know they sanitize that for people like you right? so you don't see everything wolves, coyotes, lions, bear etc do.

If you read anything before you started harping you would see that as a hunter I do what i can to make it a clean humane kill, I don't have to wait like on the idiot box. Another thing I enjoy being outdoors and i don't always kill something.

And another thing don't you ever think that everyone out there hunting does not have a conscience. Because you are wrong. I'm done discussing this with you because it goes in one ear and out the other. It's like beating a dead horse. If you are so deadset in thinking what you think than you will continue to do so ignorantly. We listened to your nonsense and distorted facts you wont even consider taking a hunters education course or looking into NWTF or Duck Unlimited or or conservation programs.and gettin better facts. These groups don't harp on the kill. They talk about and preserve forrests, wetlands, waterways, and so much more and of course all wildlife not just the ones that are hunted. But you're closed minded and still dependant on others to do your thinking.

BTW your facts once again are wrong We dont use rendered animal parts in feed for wildlife. Mad cow disease came from man feeding cows to cows. Man supplemented livestock (bovine, swine, poultry)feed with animal by products.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

CarolineTC
You must be the most ignorant person I have ever seen babble. Youtube is not a source of truth!!
Youtube have plenty of truth as well as pleny of BS.
"I have been to packing houses more than once, and my grandparents own a private locker. I am a rancher, hunter, ag specialist, and conservationist. I have learned from life, school and commen sense. "
And?
"It is human nature to eat the best tasting food, which is meat. "
Try eating that venison without the marinating, seasoning etc. In fact why dont you all eat it right after the kill while the body is still warm just like true carnivores does where there maybe some nutrient left, but nooooo, man not only eat when the body is beyond dead and start of putrification but they cook it on top of it and they claim to be "natural" meat eaters lol.
"You don't have to eat meat but I do. Take your bs and try telling someone else what to do."

Who says this is about eating meat? Where do you get that idea from? My fight is about sports killing and the lies of the wildlife killing industry

"I hunt deer, antelope, pheasant, grouse and elk. I eat them all, and I shoot more than just males."
Trying to collect as many bad karma as possible? lol
"I am a trophy hunter, but everything I take is a trophy to me whether it is an mature doe, or buck. "
Oh how "poetic" lol
"I make my living with agriculture as I raise wheat and cattle. I can tell you right now that if everyone only ate the way vegans do there would be a lot less food to go around. "
Let me ask you somthing, what does your cow eat?
"There wouldn't be enough for everyone and more people would go hungry."
Again what does your cow eat?

"You are unethical in your opinions, and are drinking too much liberal coolaid. Go eat your rice patty and be grateful you have food to eat."
Your comment was so full of Poo lol

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I shouldn't have to tell you what a cow eats because that is commen sense, but if I must my cattle eat native grass from our native grass patures. The ground is too rough to farm so we use it with cattle. Do you need me to tell you where children come from also? If you would like to eat grama grass, Big bluestem, western wheat grass, pature thistle, cedar trees, side oats grama grass, buffalo grass, wild mustard, goldenrod, and too many other native plant species to type out I will make you up a salad right now. Personally I will eat whatever I wish and hunt whenever I want. I have ate raw meat more than once as it is better tasting that way, I do use seasonings, but I bet you do too on your salad. I don't beleive in Karma but thankyou for your worry. We castrate our calves, and I eat the mountain oyseters with a can of beer without cooking them. I eat hamburger raw about everytime I get a package out of the freezer. I eat three deer a year, two antelope, about 10 pheasants, 10 grouse, and if I get the chance, any other type of wild game possible. The first deer I ever killed my father made me take a bite out of the heart as it is a family tradition. It is my choice to eat wild animals, and if I cook them that is my business, not yours.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

"BTW your facts once again are wrong We dont use rendered animal parts in feed for wildlife. Mad cow disease came from man feeding cows to cows. Man supplemented livestock (bovine, swine, poultry)feed with animal by products."

CWD was first spread by supplement feeding rendered animals for protein (antler and herd growth) . Comments about CWD from From Organic Consumer Association.

"As you can see by reading this article [below] in this afternoon's Capital Times of Madison, word is slowly leaking out about what has apparently been a massive decade-long feeding of "supplements" (including meat and bone meal as mineral and protein) to wild deer in the heart of the "kill zone," the area of the WI Chronic Wasting Disease outbreak.

Apparently no one in the CWD research community has ever investigated the possibility that CWD may be spreading via rendered feed (mineral, fat and protein supplements), as happened in Britain with mad cow disease. This needs to be investigated immediately as a possible third means of infection for CWD, along with suspected animal-to-animal transmission and environmental contamination."

As you can see from the excerpts of two books below on feeding wild deer, there has been a huge push over the past 10-15 years of supplemental feeding of both game farmed elk and deer and wild deer to grow bigger animals with huge-boned antlers.

And guess what ? The killing industry is still using supplement feeding not necessaryly rendered animals anymore but still they are using supplement which can congregate deer thus spread wildlife diseases including blue tongue and CWD and whats worse is that the "deer management" website maks excuse as to why its "ok".

"One thing to keep in mind: Deer are likely to concetrate somewhere - whether it be a water source, food source, bedding area, or travel corridor. Although providing supplemental food will concetrate deer, I suspect that if a disease or virus is present the pathogen will be passed on regardless of whether or not you provide supplemental feed."

The rest of your comment sounds like bunch of defensive rambling lol

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

"We castrate our calves, and I eat the mountain oyseters with a can of beer without cooking them. I eat hamburger raw about everytime I get a package out of the freezer. I eat three deer a year, two antelope, about 10 pheasants, 10 grouse, "

And a Patridge in a pear tree (In sing song voice) hahhahhaha

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Carolinetc your an ignorant person.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I roll my eyes at rediculous idealogues like your CarolineTC. you think everyone who hunts is a billybod idiot and we must not have any heart because we hunt animals. You are probably the type person who could care less about abortion, but if someone eats a deer they are a criminal and should be sent to jail. Your mindless thoughts are so screwed around that I wonder how you remember how to breath. Go ahead and lol at me as it doens't matter much what a simplistic woman like you thinks of me or my kind. I have a life that I will die for if I have to, and your delusional comments and thoughts have no and will never have any bearing on. Tommorrow I will shoot a praire dog for your honor maybe a dozen. good day brainiac.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Oh really caroline?? and if so where did the grand canyon come from??:P and meat has been a part of our diet for a very very long time, or didnt u know that chimps organize hunting parties and hunt kill and eat lesser apes?? allways instigated by pregnant females in the herd needing more protein in theire diet and by massaging the males egos by manipulation with sex the men then organise hunting parties..
And i would think i know alot more than u do about coservation of wildlife since thats what im educated in, but i will consede to this point, we probably eat more meat than we need right now since our meatconsumtion has like quadrupled since the 50`s, but to leave it out alltogether would be hazardous to your health both short and longterm, and what would u consider more cruel, keeping an animal trapped throughouth its life in small enclosures, stressing the animal and treating it roughly and never giving it freedom, or let a wild animal live free withouth contact with humans for its entire lifetime and then inflicting 30 seconds of shock and trauma, as compared with the natural way of dying being ripped appart by a predator or dying slowly of painfull illness??
I know u r probably trying to do good, but its horribly uneducated the propaganda u spew forth and no one that actually knows how the natural world works is ever ever gonna take u serious.. and because of that u r never gonna make a difference to the people actually taking care of theire natural habitat, and thats hunters belive it or not, we dont kill for sports etc. but to preserve our knowledge of harvesting from nature by its own terms and to eat natural meat full of richness and taste..

btw watch the animated film "free jimmy!" ;)

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

enjoying the free speech, caroline? tell your alf and peta buddys about it...explain it in short and easy to understand language. why dont you go take your unregulated compassion to animals that are truly endangered and could actually use your misplaced energy, like the giant pandas or the detroit lions?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

To: Silly vegan woman (if you really are even a woman)

Why don't you tag out and send in someone with the real A GAME?????? Your comments and ramblings are probably boring even to your cohorts. They are for sure drier than a popcorn fart to me. If you had the brain power to condense and sharpen your arguments, and form a cohesive thought (instead of regurgitating a publication or a website out of context) you would gain at least a small amount of respect from myself and others here.

Speak whats in that little vegan heart of yours and drop the talking points. You will instantly sound 3x more intelligent, if not more honest.

You are probably making copies of all these exchanges so that you can prove to each other how truly barbaric we are. I doubt if there are that many of you who are true hard-core kool-aid drinkers. Most, if not some are just hangers-on. I would wager that you have some folks at some college you have recruited and a few other folks that are sympathetic to your group. You are probably more of a social group than you are an actual organization that does something. I'd even bet that the vegan/animal rights/karma/wicca/tofu/whatever fest y'all have is just an excuse for socializing. You need a cause to unite, if you even are that united. Hate for the barbarians is more of a focal point than the deer in the park. I would bet the deed to my family's farm that those deer will never see an improvement of their circumstances from any of your (or your group's) actions.

We, as sportsmen & sportswomen, have a track record and can show results where animals have been brought back, populations strengthened, and habitats improved. Those are indisputable facts.

Show us some of your results. Not talking points. Not bluster. Pure results.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

"We, as sportsmen & sportswomen, have a track record and can show results where animals have been brought back, populations strengthened, and habitats improved. Those are indisputable facts."

You mean to be "brought back" to over abundance of deer for recreational killing thus high deer vehicle accident resulting in human injuries and death. DVA's human fatalites are more then doubled in the past 15 years how is that possible if you all claim hunting "reduces" deer vehicle accidents? How come its getting worse? There is nothing to brag about creating lands to use a killing field and to propagate game animals to use as a living targets for sick humans. Hikers, dog walkers, horse back riders wants to use the forest in the fall to enjoy the cool brisk weather, the foliage and the wildlife but unfortunatly its not with a peace of mind because we know that the killers with such high intent to kill with guns , bows and arrow are in the forest up on tree stands. Plus you kill the animals we have come to love, that certain buck is gone when the killing season is over because human lowlife wanted to count the points and brag to other bubbahs about "oo look at the point on this stud" even some of the females we've grown to love is gone too.

So all the "conservation" and "wildlife management" talk is to benefit the killing public aka "sportsman and women" not the non-killing pubic and definatley not for the animals.

Did you know serial killing is called "sports' too so I guess they must be sportsman and women too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOL87Jdt5p4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag4B00jB1CM

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

oh i definitively call it harvest. and how the hell do u know that potatoes do not suffer?? u r sooo out of touch with nature that in a time of need u would surely starve to death.. and even if i might feel bad for a youth thats spirited and have many good points to make about how we exploit the nature around us, i still wouldnt mourne u one bit cos u where too stupid to eat the food available to us at the time.. tell the truth now, u grew up in a city or suburbia and have never been educated in biology at all have u caroline??

do u even know whats the biggest factor by a magnitude that would astound u, on free nature and out world biology???????? to enlighten u its agriculture, so U caroline isnt saving anything by your approach, u r just another part of the problem too blind to see the effect u have on your surroundings..
and seriously, watch the film "free jimmy" be4 u give another dumbfounded retort..

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0298337/
poor deluded girl, u r probably a good person, just soooo misguided by people in power of organisations living off people against cruelty against animals..:P

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

and if u seriously think we r unfeeling barbarians, then read T.W. Davidson`s tale about his dog on http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2009/09/when-good-dogs-die ..
And if u dont fell a tear about his story, then u r aan unfeeling biatch and need never post here again cos the support im sure to get from my fellow hunters is gonna get u banned from this site alltogether!! in all my workings with people of all kinds only hunters in general have a preservationist attitude towards our natural habitat no matter what.. we do want to teach our grandchildren to hunt and for them to be able to teach theire grandchildren to hunt in the same biosphere as us.. so why the hell would we eradicate any species that inhabits that habitat?? we wanna preserve it in spite of human needs and political and econiomical development.. its cos of hunters that there actually exist nature preserves.. not cos of u vegan PETA extremists..

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

And if u still feel like arguing then visit this link and come back and give me your personal info:P
http://www.visit-x.net/CAMS/DE/specials/Rammstein.html?track=Index

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

to the vegan person/persons it may concern:

Nobody here is related to monkeys. Nobody here gives a s#!+ about the feelings of vegetables.

Most of the public lands where we hunt are just that - PUBLIC lands. Our licenses, fees, taxes and permits raise money for local, state, and federal projects. Show us your results or STFU. As for the hiking & use there are places where our $$$ have gone to use but we can't hunt on them. You may hike and frolic there.

Wishing for people to become sick from eating meat doesn't do your cause any good either. I think you are alienating people by making statements like that. Then again you were doing well enough alienating without the 'die from meat' comments.

RESULTS or nothing.....so far you have shown nothing.
There is no argument for that. You can quote,steal, plagiarize, or hotlink anything you want. It is your ACTIONS that define you. Show us one of your(done with your own resources) projects that has netted real calculative results that has helped animals. So far your billboard has defined you. I think we established the folly of that.

Folly driven by hate and selfishness.

"Ramble On" is a great Led Zeppelin song but your rambling arguments don't cut it. Show all of us a clear, concise, one paragraph reason for us to drop our bows & guns and we'll do it. You can't do it. Otherwise what you're doing is wasting bandwidth.

I will borrow WA Mtnhntr's saying now -

DON'T LET THE CYBER-SCREEN DOOR HIT YA WHERE THE GOOD LORD SPLIT YA!!!!!!!!!!

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

" As for the hiking & use there are places where our $$$ have gone to use but we can't hunt on them. You may hike and frolic there."

Here is a result one guy who had to deal with hunters in the woods
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tXwgfx8ybU

"Wishing for people to become sick from eating meat doesn't do your cause any good either."

Where does it say about "wishing people to become sick"? More lies and its your own doing not of ours. You do not know the risk in eating vension (oops sorry you dont eat them) but the pantries eating the ground up venison which you all more then happy to "give" to with your pathetic "hunters for hungry" program.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOpo8B3oQHQ .

"Folly driven by hate and selfishness. "

You are slaughtering innocent sentient life for your sick self gratification and it's "awful" that we despise the very ground you walk on? lol

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3D7EFD6D45F88AEB

Hunting is legalized animal cruelty plain and simple and that is why they need every euphemistic words, whitewash, BS and lies to cover the ugly and sadistic reality of recreational hunting. .

Here are some of them
"conservation"
"wildlife management"
"overpopulaiton"
"deer vehicl accidents"
"well placed shot"
"sportsman for hungry"
"harvest"
"ethical"
"sportman and women"
"pittman and robert"
"jesus says we can kill with arrow like sadist pigs"
"wolves rip them to shred"
"Its better then slaughterhouse animals"
"less then 30 seconds"
"ted roosevelte"
"ted nugent is da man" (lol)
"man ate meat since the beginning of time"
"tradition"
"family bonding"
"back strips"
"deer jerky"

Did I miss anything? I know there are few more..

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

caroline, u r gonna take the word of this cornbread white fatass that has never seen any animal butchered in his friggin life being annoyed for being told to avoid a hunting area where legal hunting is performed in the warning that he might be mistaken for a moose??????? in your previous statements u actually seem a little bit intelligent, seriously if u limit yourself to males feeling like this uneducated douche, then i reallyfeel sorry for your kids:P theire gonna be inbred douches and the very definition of un-intelligent. and if u r ever gonna win the fight u r set on u r gonna have to think in dousins of generations untill your side will ever ever get the upper hand, and by then enough of wildlife survival will be known to the reast to make theire survival a matter of fact and the side of this fatass white nobodies extinct!:P.. poor caroline, soo eager to support a bigger issue and too unintelligent to tell them appart:P

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

caroline, u r gonna take the word of this cornbread white fatass that has never seen any animal butchered in his friggin life being annoyed for being told to avoid a hunting area where legal hunting is performed in the warning that he might be mistaken for a moose??????? in your previous statements u actually seem a little bit intelligent, seriously if u limit yourself to males feeling like this uneducated douche, then i really feel sorry for your kids:P theire gonna be inbred douches and the very definition of un-intelligent. and if u r ever gonna win the fight u r set on u r gonna have to think in dousins of generations untill your side will ever ever get the upper hand, and by then enough of wildlife survival will be known to the rest to make theire survival a matter of fact and the side of this fatass white nobodies extinct!:P.. poor caroline, soo eager to support a bigger issue and too unintelligent to tell them appart:P

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline:
1st of all you feeding deer by hand could transmit /spread disease tfrom you to wildlife or vise versa. It may create a virus that humans or animals are not immune to: It's called jumping species
If the disease mutates and you or the animal you fed it could wipe out your herd or kill you and others. You call us serial killers when you're a potential mass murderer

OH BTW in most states it is ILLEGAL to feed wildlife.
So what state are you from I'm sure the local DGIF/DNR would love to have a chat with you and your criminal activities.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

BTW I'd like to dispell your unfounded lies and misinformed spewing about CWD: Here is what State Biologist had to say about CWD and HD in a pamphlet on VDGIF website (NOT YOUTUBE):

How is CWD spread?
It is not known exactly how CWD is spread. It is believed that the agent responsible for the disease may be spread both directly(animal to animal contact) and indirectly (soil or other surface toanimal). Recent research indicates that the prion agents are shed inthe saliva of deer, and can remain in certain soils for prolongedtime-periods. It appears that areas adjacent to CWD-positivewildlife, areas with concentrations of farmed or captive elk anddeer, and areas that have received translocated cervids from CWDinfectedareas may be at higher risk for introduction of the disease.Furthermore, deer feeding as well as rehabilitation of deer may increase the spread of the disease once it has been introduced into an area. Please note that the Department has passed a regulation, effectiveJuly 1, 2006, making it unlawful for any person to distributefood, minerals, carrion or similar substances to feed or attract deerfrom September 1 through the first Saturday in January, both datesinclusive. This provision does not include the planting of wildlifefood plots. The risk for CWD transmission through deer urine orother biological attractants used by some deer hunters is unknown.

What causes CWD?
While the agent that produces CWD has not been positivelyidentified, there is strong evidence to suggest that abnormally shaped proteins called prions are responsible.

What is Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD)?

CWD is a progressive neurological (brain and nervous system)disease found in deer and elk. The disease ultimately results indeath. Species known to be susceptible include elk, red deer, muledeer, white-tailed deer, black-tailed deer and moose. CWD belongsto a family of diseases known as transmissible spongiform encephalopathies(TSEs).

What Is HD?
HD is the most important infectious disease of white-tailed deer in the Southeast United States and in Virginia, and outbreaks occur almost every year.

What Causes HD?
HD is caused by two closely related viruses, epizootic hemorrhagic disease (EHD) or bluetongue virus. There are 2 subtypes of EHD virus and 5 subtypes of bluetongue in North America. Because disease features produced by these viruses are indistinguishable, a general term, hemorrhagic disease, often is used when the specific virus is unknown.

How Is HD Spread?

HD is not spread by direct contact. It is transmitted by tiny biting flies in the genus Culicoides. These flies are commonly known as biting midges but are also called local names such as sand gnats, sand flies, no-see-ums and punkies.

So who are you gonna listen to those uneducated idiots on youtube or actual trained biologist? Why'd I even ask you are gonna side with the rest of the idiots on youtube.
But these are the FACTS not your youtube fantasies and scare tactics.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

caroline get off you 4th point of contact quit ruining your brain with useless videos on youtube and the idiots creating them.. Most anti hunting whackjobs provoke hunters into the reacting like you are right now. The thing is they use it to show hunters as mindless, callous killers of bambi.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Let me ask you again Caroline:
What have you done for your fellow man?
What have you done to improve wildlife habitat?
What have you done to help the hungry, the poor?
What have you done to help nature?

Nothing you've been sitting on youtube and breaking the law by illegally feeding wildlife potentially exposing them to killer diseases and potentially creating a virus that can jump species. You Mass Murderer,
You'd rather kill them by your germs a slow prolonged agonizing viral death with which they have no immunity.

We are the humane ones here not you. We're not serial killers or out just for trophies and to kill something

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

perhaps if you looked at my post I made 19 hours and 24 minutes ago you could have read this which kind of make wildlife serial killer and DNR look damn stupid .

from CarolineTC wrote 19 hours 24 min ago
Where was CWD first spread from?
CWD was first spread by supplement feeding rendered animals for protein (antler and herd growth) . Comments about CWD from From Organic Consumer Association.
"As you can see by reading this article [below] in this afternoon's Capital Times of Madison, word is slowly leaking out about what has apparently been a massive decade-long feeding of "supplements" (including meat and bone meal as mineral and protein) to wild deer in the heart of the "kill zone," the area of the WI Chronic Wasting Disease outbreak.
Apparently no one in the CWD research community has ever investigated the possibility that CWD may be spreading via rendered feed (mineral, fat and protein supplements), as happened in Britain with mad cow disease. This needs to be investigated immediately as a possible third means of infection for CWD, along with suspected animal-to-animal transmission and environmental contamination."
As you can see from the excerpts of two books below on feeding wild deer, there has been a huge push over the past 10-15 years of supplemental feeding of both game farmed elk and deer and wild deer to grow bigger animals with huge-boned antlers.
And guess what ? The killing industry is still using supplement feeding not necessaryly rendered animals anymore but still they are using supplement which can congregate deer thus spread wildlife diseases including blue tongue and CWD and whats worse is that the "deer management" website maks excuse as to why its "ok".
"One thing to keep in mind: Deer are likely to concetrate somewhere - whether it be a water source, food source, bedding area, or travel corridor. Although providing supplemental food will concetrate deer, I suspect that if a disease or virus is present the pathogen will be passed on regardless of whether or not you provide supplemental feed."
And 86ram twisting words around again with his comment of "not in YOUTUBE". I don't know where you get the idea I "find all" information in YOUTUBE.? Show me where its state I get "all" my information from youtube because many of the information I get about CWD is from CWD/Mad Deer/ and CJD site because they are all related.

"OH BTW in most states it is ILLEGAL to feed wildlife.
So what state are you from I'm sure the local DGIF/DNR would love to have a chat with you and your criminal activities."

Its only "legal" to feed wildlfie if you want to grow that large antlered buck via salt licks and supplement feeding isn't that right hypocrite and its no wonder there are always "too many deer" thus deer vehicle accidents because of the hunting (they need abundance of large atlered deer for sports killing).

"If you want more and bigger deer on your hunting land this year and beyond, these numbers should convince you that the right food plots are well worth planting. Yes, you need high-quality native habitat, and in many cases, supplemental feeding of deer will prove to be quite effective as well." North American Whitetails - Are your deer hungry?
HYPOCRITES !

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Almost forgot to add this:
Men and Women are omnivours. We can eat multiple supplaments (sources of food and proteins).

We are in no way related to monkeys or whatever crackpot theories you have.
Hunting isn't legalized cruelty: Reading your posts a rediculous speculation is legalized cruelty.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Let's recap, shall we?

billboard- that makes you a problem, not a solution in my eyes. Money spent for a petty purpose. Shameful. Deer still in the park w/situation unchanged

You haven't shown any of us s#!+ from shineola about any projects where you have actually made the lives of something or somebody better.

86Ram summed it up better than I could ever with his four very straightforward points. You haven't, or can't, or won't address those. Lame.

The way I see it you should go back to licking box or playing with your ouija board or worshiping your flora and fauna gods or whatever you do. Practice up on those mad wicca skillz and save those deer. Put a hex on all the bad hunters. Save the world while you're at it.
Don't forget to twitter about all of us bad people over here at F&S.

Get a life while you're at it.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

CarolineTC instead of giving us the usual liberal talking points how about giving us some... heck make it just one example of ALF, Peta, Hsus etc doing anything to establish refuges or parks for animals to live on. You can't because there are none. Those groups are all about imposing the will of their leaders on the rest of the American people while fattening their own bank accounts. As one of their supporters you are nothing but what Lenin called a Useful idiot (or was it Marx).

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

My twisted words? MURDERER you obviously don't have a clue about anything.
It is ILLEGAL to feed WILDLIFE! So give me your home state and I'll report your a$$ and see what they have to say!
Next thing all you talk about or refer to is what you see on you tube and some organic article written by biased idiots like yourself. You're misguided about CWD and your ignorance shows. All references towards CWD, HD and other wildlife pathogens, viruses etc can be found on the net and state DNR/DGIF websites and are posted by biologist who do this for a living. They have the knowledge I chose to listen to over a raving lunatic murderer like yourself.

So what's your home state or are you scared of the DNR? You already posted your guilt and have a youtube video come on incriminate yourself some more. You city dwelling disease spreading murderer and criminal.
You destroyed their habitat, their water, their disease resistance, their fear of man. You're the pathetic one.

Wait I figured it out thanks to you newspaper referance WISCONSIN! Capital Times Madison..... Shame on you you IDIOT!

I urge all who read this to contact the wisconsin DNR and report this lunatic. Since she is in an area that has CWD and I'm sure feeding the deer there is ILLEGAL.
And as ethical law abiding citizens it is our duty to report criminal activity.

I hope they put your pic in the paper and then I'm sure you'll have another youtube video in your walk of shame!

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline if you read the CWD part of my post you would see a paragragh stating:
Please note that the Department has passed a regulation, effectiveJuly 1, 2006, making it unlawful for any person to distributefood, minerals, carrion or similar substances to feed or attract deerfrom September 1 through the first Saturday in January, both datesinclusive. This provision does not include the planting of wildlifefood plots. The risk for CWD transmission through deer urine orother biological attractants used by some deer hunters is unknown.

So again who's twisting what? Hmmm You are.... I don't cut and paste other peoples post and add to them like you. I post what I post and stand by it! Go back to your veggies with your PETA, HSUS, ASPCA, and ALF buddies..and watch your youtube videos.
Better hurry cause DNR may be at your door soon!!!!

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

You must've also once again missed my questions about what you've done for anyone / anything but yourself?

Run Caroline! Run!

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

www.dnr.state.wi.us

Wisconsins DNR web link for those of you interrested.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Time to educate Caroline: Wisconsins policy also in full on their website:

2003 Wisconsin Act 240 [PDF 7.8KB] extended the Department of Natural Resources’ authority to regulate the feeding of wildlife for non-hunting purposes, required that the DNR ban baiting and feeding for deer in counties at highest risk for disease transmission, and established standards for the baiting and feeding of deer outside these banned areas. This website was created to help the deer and bear hunter, as well as the recreational wildlife feeder to better understand the parameters established by Act 240 and the DNR rules [PDF 169KB] that were implemented to help reduce the risk of Chronic Wasting Disease and Bovine Tuberculosis in Wisconsin.

Wisconsin Deer Baiting and Wildlife Feeding Regulations [PDF 243KB] pamphlet provides the regulations that are in place for counties where deer baiting and feeding is banned, as well as the regulations that have been developed in the counties where deer baiting and feeding is allowed, but regulated. This pamphlet also provides an explanation of the regulations that are in place for those who enjoy feeding small mammals and birds.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

btw those are 2 separate pamphlets /paragraghs Just so you don't think I'm making things up.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Guys:
I'm not sure if she's from Wisconsin so don't burden them with this. She's obviously misguided and out for attention by attacking us.

And that's what antis like her are good at antagonizing us into saying stuff they can try to use against us.

I did mean what I said if she is from Wisconsin and is feeding them possibly Illegally, I'll contact their DNR.
CWD and the other diseases are no joke and she may be breaking the law.

I got a little hot under the collar by her statements as well.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

@86ram
My, my are you defensive? lol So can anyone explain this to me if hunting is about "reduciton" of deer?

"If you want more and bigger deer on your hunting land this year and beyond, these numbers should convince you that the right food plots are well worth planting. Yes, you need high-quality native habitat, and in many cases, supplemental feeding of deer will prove to be quite effective as well." North American Whitetails - Are your deer hungry?

Why would you want to create "more" deer if we have "too many deer" to begin with? Isn't that the reason why you all senselessly slaughter deer because there are "overpopulated"?

I think the Division of Nature Raper should be going after the wildlife serial killers who shoot thru houses, day care centers, person on horseback, people driving cars, dog walkers etc etc etc. We do not need to be sharing the forest with wildlife serial killers destroying the animals we love and endangering our lives, pets and children.

Legalized Terrorism in America (to Animals and Humans) is Hunting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzGjczzAwIc

I do like putting videos together :)

BTW everyone of those videos are mine so its not like I am usig it to get facts, I already got facts and put a video together with it.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Let me ask the wildlife serial killers.

What have wildlife serial killers done for their fellow man?
Doing the high fives and wooping it up after we kill the animal.
What have wildlife serial killers done to destroy wildlife in their habitat?

KILL KILL KILL, AND MORE KILL

What have wildlife serial killers done to help the hungry, the poor?
Give non-usda deer carcasses to the needies because its illegal to dump the bodies in the forest ground or rivers. Plus with pantries we can buy more tags and DNR can sell more killing license because they have a place to "give" the bodies to.

What have you done to help nature?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Troll somewhere else lawbreaker. Go listen to a lillith fair cd or something. Save some whales. Take another bong hit.

You'll yap and talk about doing stuff. Yet no action results. Youtube does not count as action. On this planet or anywhere else.

Why don't you get a paint-by-numbers set. That will calm you down and will allow you to honestly say you've accomplished something constructive.

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from Ruckweiler wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Just accept it guys. Madness exists in her family and she's the living embodiment. We're not dealing with the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

She posted a photo of Jesus and a deer that says she's from Michigan. click her name and check it out.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

She's using Christ to push her pure unadulterated BS.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

She posted," Jesus also believed in Karma and the hunters will get theirs" in the text of the picture of Jesus with a buck.

She's as crazy as a run-over dog.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

'wildlife serial killer'... ok, i'll own that. i've killed and i plan to kill again. i'm like the dahmer of deer. i eat what i kill and i keep their body parts in my freezer to be enjoyed later. hey caroline... my prey tastes good. like david berkowitz said...'i didn't want to hurt them, i just wanted to kill them.'
copy and paste that for your freak friends.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

As I posted in response to the picture, Jesus spent most of his time hanging out with fishermen from what I read, and it sure wasn't catch and release fishing. You can annoy us all you like, CarolineTC, but when you start adding to or taking away from scripture, you are walking the wrong path.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Michigan??? I thought Michigan was known for it's pro hunters not it's loones. Either way she's a black eye on any state she lives in.

Caroline read my previous posts I've explained alot to you and you are too closed minded or just too dumb or brainwashed or a combination of all 3. You're right I get defensive because I know what I do is right and based on facts. You are attacking us for doing what's right, What we have the right to do as a part of our heritage and obligations to the wild life.

Not only that there are many other posts on here from others explaining it to you as well.

We've even given you options to include getting with your State's Biologist, Take a State Hunters Education Course, Do Research other than on youtube.

I meant what I said I will research whatever states laws you live in about feeding wildlife ant turn you in for their recommendation and them to take appropriate action.

You are no better than a poacher, Hitler. You'd rather see animals starve, get killed off by diseases you help spread by feeding them and by inbreeding due to over population, see them get hit by cars and possibly kill the occupants in the car as well.

Your facts are so misconstrude it's not even funny!
Yes you're right people have been killed hunting, not all kills are clean,houses have been shot.

You are wrong however on the scale of it. You are wrong on CWD, HD, Bovine TB, and other herd related diseases.
You are wrong about Hunters, Hunters for the Hungry, Conservation or Wildlife / Habitat, And population control.

You PETA, HSUS, ALF and other Antis did not create National Parks, WMA's or take it upon yourselves to restore wetlands, or other habitat.

You still yet again fail to answer any of my questions!
You still try to get a rise out of everyone with your nonsense.
We took the time to be patient with you and put up with your BS and freedom of speach. And we've pointed out the BS and misguided youtube and organic news bs you've been reading with actual facts.
You insult us and the DGIF/DNR, our Heritage, Our Fore Fathers and you expect me not to get defensive!
You really are a Hypocrite and an idiot!

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Taken off of Michigan DNR site:

Supplemental Feeding and Baiting of Deer and Elk is Unlawful in the Lower Peninsula of Michigan -
Offering supplemental feed to wildlife is not generally a good idea as it causes animals to congregate in an unnatural manner and is a perfect vector for spreading disease. Read the Wildlife Conservation Order for details.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

May I respectfully suggest, that we all STOP responding to the "Crazy Lady" (sic) wackaloon, all she crave is ATTENTION, you are feeding her only purpose in life by encouragement. I will say nor more. My grandaddy always said if you cannot think of anything nice to say don't say anything.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

You are correct sir. Your wisdom trumps her BS.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Well, if she wasn't on here spouting off, she might be out somewhere running loose. Better keep her inside and near the computer. Call it "damage control."

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Armchair, you have a good point too. I doubt she has the capacity to do any violent acts though. Maybe her best purpose is for all of us to keep focus on what we know and believe.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I'm going to concurr with you both. It's not worth wasting more time explaining anything to her.
I stated the truth and backed it by facts.
Since she has none of her own It's not worth it.
I just want anyone who reads these blogs to know the truth especially if they're non hunters that are not as misguided as her.

Thank you for standing by me as I have for you. I guess it's time to ignore her and move on.

Bringing Religion into this was a bad idea and a new low.
though

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Jesus is about kindness, compassion mercy and love unlike hunters "Jesus" who is pro-pain suffering and death. You make a big deal about the photo of merciful Jesus yet no one blink eye about "Christian bowhunters of America" which is a blasphemy to Christs name.

Still no one have answered this question instead they write pointless nothing hoping to take the focus off the important question I have asked before 2x so I will aska again.

Why are the huntng organizaton producing deer if its about "reducing" deer populaiton to prevent HDC and Deer vehicle accidents.?

"If you want more and bigger deer on your hunting land this year and beyond, these numbers should convince you that the right food plots are well worth planting. Yes, you need high-quality native habitat, and in many cases, supplemental feeding of deer will prove to be quite effective as well." North American Whitetails - Are your deer hungry?

"If you're not providing the local herd with enough of the right groceries for maximum antler and body size, as well as high fawn survival, you're not enjoying the full benefits of sound management." North American Whitetails

"Varmints, specifically coyotes, are the biggest threats to fawn recruitment on most land throughout the United States. "Deer Management TX

There are many more if you want me to post it, so can someone give me a straight answer?

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Not that it will matter, but I will give you a straight answer. Wildlife management is not just about numbers. The goal of wildlife management is a stable and healthy population. Can we get off deer just for a second and look snow geese? The population of snow geese has exploded to the point that liberal bag limits and long seasons are now in place to reduce that population. Animal numbers in nature are regulated by disease and starvation in addition to predation. If snow goose hunting were banned tomorrow, the population would be curbed eventually by a massive die-off of the species.

Now, back to deer. People seek to increase the size and number of deer on hunting properties managed for deer hunting. This does not impact the population of your state's deer herd nearly as much as other factors such as human population density and agricultural practices. Hunters want to take healthy animals and leave a sufficient population of healthy animals to ensure a good harvest for the future. You won’t agree with me here, but animals are a resource.

Many people who hunt like to take “trophy” animals. I’m more of a meat hunter myself, but to each his or her own. I have no problem with someone who wants to take a world-class animal, and you wouldn’t either if you understood how many immature animals or others that just don’t “measure up” that hunter will have to pass up in order take (and you may substitute kill if you like, the terminology makes no difference) that ideal specimen. You can’t shoot the first doe you see and think that an 8-point is going to come trotting out right behind her to see what that loud noise was. I’m fine with holding out for a “stud” as you call them, so long as there is already a doe or two in my freezer to last my family until the next season. Before that, if it’s brown, it’s down. I didn’t come up with that one, but you can quote me if you like.

Finally, let’s address what’s really bugging you. When I take, kill, slaughter, again whatever term you like is fine, an animal, I am really happy. I enjoy it. I am thankful to have food for the table, and I snap a few photos so I can show my friends what a fine specimen I have taken. I usually substitute a handshake for the high-five, but a 75-pound doe merits the same fanfare to me as a “hoss” buck because I have accomplished what I set out to do. True, I have cut off the rest of that animal’s natural lifespan, but why should coyotes and buzzards eat better than me? Do you believe those other species eat meat only because they don’t know any better?

You are entitled to your own beliefs and to live your life as you see fit, but you don’t extend that same courtesy to others. You want instead to impose your will. I don’t spend my time on the PETA site, and I don’t berate my vegetarian and vegan friends. They have the good sense and decency to realize that what I do in hunting game is moral, ethical, and right although they choose not to do it.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline I must've missed that question between your insults against Hunters and DNR. You insult us call us liars and now you ask this:

What is your source for your question? Where are you getting this information other than youtube?

I've not heard of any population increase by hunting organizations? What Hunting organizations?

There are Wildlife organiztions trying to increase wetlands and habitat to support all wildlife and increase the population of ducks, elk, wolf and eagles.
Also Fisheries departments increasing Salmon and other fish poulations to include American Shad.

To rebuke your Statement Wildlife habitat improvement by DNR/DGIF Biologist are not food plots they do controlled burns, plant NATIVE plants that ALL wildlife not just deer benefit from.
Farmers plant Crops that man and Wildlife/Livestock benefit from.

Some Private hunters/ land owner plant food plots to hold deer on their property.

As you can tell the DNR recommends against Food plots and feeding deer to lessen the spread of CWD, HD, Bovine TB etc as mentioned by me previuosly.

Predators (Coyotes,Wolves, Bear, Cougar Fox Possum etc) are little effect on population Nature tends to balance itself out Predator V Prey. What affects that is a huge population of predators or if a prey animal is not used to or alert to an introduced predator... Much like wolves vs elk in the midwest.
It seems like you want us to kill coyotes over deer to keep the fawn population strong. That's not a good idea either.
Disease, other predators and cars will have an impact and something is always around to take the place of a predator including Hunters

We're not deer hungry. I for one hunt squirrel, rabbit, quail, dove etc when in season and they taste pretty good. See other posts by me you may have over looked during your tirades.

I took time to answer your question(s) though you still have not answered mine at all!

High quality wildlife habitat is a balanced habitat to include a food source, predators/hunters, prey, water, shelter and good management of all.

You mention deer management alot It's not just about deer it's about being outdoors, not youtube, no tv, no phones, no people unless you're with a freind, your family member or your dog. It encompasses so much more had you read my post and others posts instead of coming in here insulting us, DGIF/DNR, Programs to help others, Habitat improvement etc you would have had a better reception and been able to get a fact based question answered.

It's just odd after your rants and insults you turn around and start asking a question that is somewhat reasonable to answer.

Hopefully this answers your question to an extent and you leave us alone.

Read my posts as far as tropghy hunting goes and that will further answer a part of you last satement.

Now leave us alone and quit posting that BS.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Jesus might heal u of your ill feelings about fellow human being and cast out your inner demons! legion of stupidity begone! :P

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

"Now, back to deer. People seek to increase the size and number of deer on hunting properties managed for deer hunting."

The deer are not fenced in and with does also consuming plenty of protein rich food plots and some added boost of supplement feeding they are going to have more births where if nutrients were insufficient and habitat lacking does will have one sometimes no fawn births. Mass killing, more food avaiability especially with added food plots and supplement feeding means more fawn birth and the vicious cycle continues and that is why even with the hunting year after year there always "too many deer" and high deer vehicle accidents. In fact DVA's are the highest during hunting season and stop blaming the rut deer (which hunting org provided abundance of) because mating is part of nature where destroying wildife for sports if not.

So much time and money spend on producing deer for killing pleasure and lying to the public about "deer reducition" because of deer vehicle accident as innocent humans are injured or killed in DVAs. I believe family members of those who were in Deer Vehicle accident should get together , find a good lawyer and sue the hunting industry big time.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

They should sue people who feed them and then don't do anything to control the population.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Does must be in estrous to get pregnant. That happens in the fall. Bucks go into Rut.
You CAN NOT artificially inseminate a non receptive animal. One that is not in heat or estrous.

There is no Hunting industry. There is no conspiracey to make big deer and overpopulate them read my previous posts.

I've had a DVA as you call it and have had alot of close calls spring, summer and fall. No one is blaming the rut.

You just want to be an antagonist. I've answered your questions and still you haven't answered any of mine to include your source for information for last post.

So leave and just STOP! It only shows your maturity level and your ignorance as you keep trying to prove an illegitament point that's filled with lies, misinformation, and
Everyone (Hunters) on here has proven their points to include backing them up with facts and life experience. You've done nothing to prove your point, answer questions or even try to.
You just keep making up stuff as you go.
You're tone and all of the sudden lack of insults mean you're up to somethin.
So shove off

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

We could always use her stuff to recruit the next generation of hunters. Anyone reading that drivel would not want to be associated with her in any way.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I should have signed that last post: "The Armchair Outfitter, another pawn of the vast deer conspiracy."

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Armchair: She's lost. And her type of insanity unfortunately is catching.
Where do these people get off. We provide proof and facts. We endure their insults and yet they persist in antagonizing us. When are they going to learn Hunters for now are not going anywhere and that we actually benefit wildlife and their habitat.
Anyways, my last post to her is my last post. She hasn't proven anything and I think she's up to no good but with a different approach.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

"You CAN NOT artificially inseminate a non receptive animal. One that is not in heat or estrous.

There is no Hunting industry. There is no conspiracey to make big deer and overpopulate them read my previous posts. "

Are you for real? I think you all know damn well what I am talking about

Here is more quotes

"Historically in all states, including West Virginia, hunting regulation have been restrictive during the period of deer restoration with mainly short buck-only season to protect does and encourage deer population growth. As deer becomes more abundant, more liberal hunting regulations including antlerless harvest are required to limit population growth." Fundamentals of Deer Management W. VA.

" Fawn crop is often density dependent. Generally, as doe numbers increase, fawn production per doe decreases. Fewer does can and often do raise more fawns to weaning age than more abundant does." QDM

"Deer managers agree that supplemental feeding, whether it be protein pellets, whole cotton seed, or some other type of high-protein food, really helps local deer populations." Deer Management TX

P.129 "With supplemental feeding, it becomes very easy to maitain artificialy high deer densities and still obtain adequate results in terms of antler and body growth." Producing Quality Whitetails Revised Edition
Al Brothers and Murphy E. Ray, Jr. Edited by Charly McTee

" Thus, does are healthier, reproductive
success is higher and more does are able to carry two fawns. Ironically, this can result in a greater deer harvest each year." Quality Deer Management

"With high quality habitat and increased nutrition, the percentage of doe fawns that breed their first fall increases (sometimes up to 25 percent).. Also, a higher percentage of yearling does produce two fawns instead of one." Quality Deer Management

Just to let you know that TX,W.Va and PA all highest in DVA's .

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Can't you give us ONE project or act of kindness you have participated in that made a positive difference in an animal or person's life? Please tell us of it in one paragraph.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

jay,
Your correct none of us would shoot Bambi but that is the mindset of anti's.
Concerning semi-auto's, yes Missouri allows using them for deer. For most, the weapon of choice is the 10mm Glock.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

"Can't you give us ONE project or act of kindness you have participated in that made a positive difference in an animal or person's life? "

This is not "act of kindness"? Helping those who suffer immensely in silence and dies a horrific death as the hunting communities continue to lie to the people as to why they kill these innocent beautiful creatures is not a goal towards "making a difference in animal lives"? There are humans suffering and animals suffering because of sports killing and I am here to expose the ugly truth and start making changes like to impelement IC deer birth control, fences for roadways and better road signs. That would be a beginning to reducing the suffering of both human and non-human animals.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline TC (or whoever you are)

FAIL

The question wasn't supposed to be answered with a question. It could be real simple like, "I helped an old lady across the street" or even "I paid my overdue library fines".

You still don't get it. Talking is not doing. Putting up a billboard is not doing. Having a website where your people give you instructions how to resist arrest by federal agents and how to be 'animal anarchists' doesn't qualify as doing good in anyone sane's mind.

Folks here's the link to their outfit or one of 'em anyway:

http://biteclubkc.wordpress.com/

here's their fearless anarchist leader, Jason Miller:

http://www.myspace.com/anarchovegan

What a lovely person.

Page through their site and see what they are like.
Caroline (thats not your real name), I dare you to prove us here wrong.

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

CarolineTC,
If your such an animal saver then why arent you outthere doing somthing about it? #1 you wont stop hunting. so stop trying.
#2. get a life and stop hiding behind your keyboard.
#3. we here on F&S are born hunters. we are not going to stop because you gave some facts that are probably blown out of poportion.
#4. I am a hunter. i help wildlife populations by KILLING animals. thats right, i didnt hide behind big words. I hunt animals to kill them. do something about it

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Ok folks, looks like they are trying to tag in/out just like I said.

Here's the link to their message board. (Caution: If you want to post there I would get a new email acct. so they don't send crap back to a useful current email acct. you already have. There are already hunters from KC posting on there. It would be smart to make sure your antivirus & firewall programs are active & up to date on your computer.)

My philosophy: If they are going to crap on our site, do unto others if you feel the urge.......

LINK:

http://biteclubkc.wordpress.com/about/

Here's the lovely CarolineTC's myspace page. You may want to visit her and tell her how lovely she is or maybe check out her artwork and videos :

http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=biteclubkc.wordpress.com&url=...

I'm working on finding YOU too, Jasmine T........

I have friends in KS and MO, and am working on finding out more about these wonderful folks. I already have a possible line on their billboard deal. I have a hunch a surgeon was who actually footed the bill. I think he is money man or at least a big contributor. Working on that lead.

As soon as business opens Mon. I will get the billboard ad rates for that billboard location in KC and post them. I could be wrong about my guess on an earlier post but I doubt it.

I am also looking into verification of their supposed 503c non-profit status. I think some of the things they are doing and saying may constitute violation of non-profit.

Have that question already in to a lawyer buddy of mine.
As soon as I have results there will post.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Lawyer sounds good.
So does Anti Harrassment laws
and
Laws against Harrassing Hunters Which btw exist!

So a Lawyer would have a field day with some of the forms of harrassment being conducted here by these antis.
I think that billboard constitutes harrassment as well.
Food for thought!

Anyways, looks like we have another crackpot or whatever it is.

How can they expose any truth when they're facts are based upon myth, twisted studies from the 1970's by whackjobs?
They don't know fact from fiction. They base everything off of youtube, PETA, HSUS ASPCA, ALF and think that those organizations don't distort anything for their benefit.

They should actually be talking to personnel in the National Parks Service, Biologists, DGIF/DNR instead of harrassing us with bogus/distorted facts and insults.

Have fun with these idiots, I've said enough on our behalf with true facts and feelings on this subject.

They don't like saying what good deeds they've done or answering any questions directed towards them at all. They just copy what you say and then babble on about nonsense.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

To JasmineT,
all you are to us is a pimple on our asses, your not wanted and you refuse to go away! If the Good Lord didn't want us to sink our teeth into that tender, juicy, and tasty venicen, we wouldn't, but he wants that animal dead and lets us put a bullet (or two) in it. I'll tell you what, next deer I get, I'll make you a nice steak!

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Oh and Jasmine, that deer in your avatar pic looks pretty damn tasty!

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

2 questions left unanswered by these wildlife serial killers

Q. 1 Show me a dead human from the ARA "terrorist"?

Q 2. Why are the huntng organizaton producing deer if its about "reducing" deer populaiton to prevent HDC and Deer vehicle accidents.?

"If you want more and bigger deer on your hunting land this year and beyond, these numbers should convince you that the right food plots are well worth planting. Yes, you need high-quality native habitat, and in many cases, supplemental feeding of deer will prove to be quite effective as well." North American Whitetails - Are your deer hungry?

"If you're not providing the local herd with enough of the right groceries for maximum antler and body size, as well as high fawn survival, you're not enjoying the full benefits of sound management." North American Whitetails

"Varmints, specifically coyotes, are the biggest threats to fawn recruitment on most land throughout the United States. "Deer Management TX

There are many more if you want me to post it, so can someone give me a straight answer?

You should really check out the vegan food at the vegan site and guess what? they are all plants!!

@redneck, stalking is not a nice thing.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

how many times do we have to answer your q.#2 before you stfu about it? i have considered answering your question many times, but i thought it was well answered by 86ram and others.
let me try a way you can understand... you know how obama wants to 'spread the wealth around, because there is only a limited amount of wealth in the world'? (settle down folks- i'm trying to speak their language...)
the same thing applies to a deer population... there is a limited amount of good deer food in a given area - the more deer that are there, the less good food each one gets. more good food per deer yields healthier deer bigger and stronger buck racks and all the things that hunters are looking for... therefore a lesser than average population is preferable to the trophy and food hunters, not to mention the farmers. this is why we conserve nature rather than preserve. as for the human bodies... go check your basement, your other personalities might have gone out of control last night. if you are still confused... go google yourself.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

First of all there's no stalking going on, Jasmine.
Except for all the bowhunters that have bow/primitive weapons season open right now...........................

I kill me. I'll be appearing here all week.

Ms. Jasmine T,

Why is it OK for you and your group to come here to our little world and threaten us??????????

Don't answer that! - Let's talk about ALF, shall we?

Found out today that they are on a list of domestic terrorists with HOMELAND SECURITY. Ok so you're on THEIR radar. They are considered a for-real no-s#!+ terrorist organization right there with the Al Qaeda sleeper cells that they are working on rooting out now as we speak. Better take those library books back.....

But to get on the Southern Poverty Law Center's list, you have to really reach. You must have messed with someone down South here......baaaaaaaaaaad idea.
Them good ole boys......wait, that's ME.

For those of you who don't know, ALF is to Peta and Vegans what the ALL-STAR team is to whatever sports you may follow. These are the folks that break & burn stuff and do bad things. Jasmine T here is not one of those folks; she's just a drone and a mouthpiece for one of these folks. Irritating folks like us is sort of a rite-of-passage for folks like her.

Vegan #1: What did you do today???
Vegan #2: I made a new batch of tofu and I blogged. Oh did you hear Jasmine is doing battle with FIELD and STREAM??? WoW you go girl!!!! Those hunters...make...make me cry....(sobbing)..B@STARDS!!!!!

Here's somebody who is a REAL self-avowed anarchist:

Here he is (trumpet fanfare) - JASON MILLER -animal rights ninja!!!!!!!!!!!(studio applause)

Here's a pic:
http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/42924/2295212770101688296S200x200Q85.j...

Here's my favorite(note this pic doesn't do any good for making him fierce but if you can have a ninja and a mokey in the same pic you must have .....super ninja powers...ROTFLOLLMAO)
http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/45416/2737333380101688296S200x200Q85.j...

Jason the baclava is working for you....two snaps and a twist....FIERCE ....work it work it......You rock that look. I recommend checking out the 5.11 catalog before your next shoot...........They have some hip & happening tac gear. Blue Force has really nice kit too.

This stuff is tame yet entertaining. If you go to his blog he's a different guy. He does love animals...touching. . No, wait. That didn't come out right....

ON A SERIOUS NOTE READ WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING AND HOW THEY SAY IT. THERE IS HATE HIDDEN THERE. THESE FOLKS ARE THE ONES ATTACKING OUR SITE RIGHT NOW BOTH WITH WORDS AND WITH HACKERS.

here's one last pic:http://p1.pikeo.com/images/server43/thumb/LOYH8MSF5512C5IT73MCBZL7H0Q656S6/500x400.jpg

anybody with a deer's decapitated head at home is just
sick......................................

He looks like he's reading some weird animal-rights version of Shakespere......that's just f****d up.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

hey jasmineT, dont u realise that pissing off people with guns that can take your head off from a mile away is never ever a good idea??
(NOT that this in any way at all should be construed as a threath of any kind)
and there are computer wizards among hunters too that can actually track u down from your computer..
U ask the same questions again and again and again, just cut, paste, lol it all away as a sport as a mission as if it was a religion! what u and your "friends" stand for is a lifestylechoice, nothing more. its not one WE here share. so styop trying to forcefeed us your lies and "shocking" "facts".. belive me it takes a heck of a lot more to shock most of us. so im gonna give u a new cause and show u what people do to people in this world, and maybe u will be glad u live in a free country where people around u have firearms and is allowed to defend themselves..
http://fuckingshocking.com/index/video/the_dagestan_massacre_1999_full_v...

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from northern_mi_hunter wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Food for thought:

Dear vegans... Do you realize that the reason the Genus Homo, which we humans belong to, evolved from the simpiler primates is because we ate more meat in our diet?

The protiens and amino acids in meat is what caused our brains to evolve beyond that of other apes.

Also, if the whole world were to turn to veganism, ALL the wildlife habitat in the WORLD WOULD NEED TO BE CUT DOWN TO MAKE FARMS!!! There would be no more deer because there would be no woods... It would all be soy fields...

NO UNLESS YOU WANT ABOUT 1 BILLION PEOPLE TO DIE FROM STARVATION, I THINK YOU NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

btw, ya'll... i drove by last week and the billboard has been replaced with some movie ad. i guess they ran out of money and had just enough left over to buy a deer head.

here is the letter that j miller sent with his deer head:

Randy, Michael, JCPRD board members, Lloyd Fox, and all responsible,

My name is Victoria. If you move forward with your planned slaughter, I will be the future face of Shawnee Mission Park, which would in turn come to be known as Death Park. Like my 300 kindred souls whom you are planning to slaughter, I was once a living, breathing, sentient being. I lived, breathed, felt, thought, and had a life force, just like you.

Last week, as I was minding my own business, grazing and tending to my beloved little fawn, I was cut down in the prime of my life, pierced through my heart by a razor-sharp arrow delivered by a barbaric human. He snuffed me out merely to satiate his perverse blood-lust. It was agonizing, but my deepest anguish arises from the knowledge that my fawn will die without his mother.

Had one of our defenders, Jason Miller, not acquired me from a meat processor, they would have thrown my head in the garbage. Is that an end that any civilized human being with an ounce of compassion would choose for a beautiful, graceful, innocent creature like me?

Thankfully, my demise was not in vain. I now serve as a macabre reminder of the cruel, ruthless, malevolent act you intend to commit. It’s NEVER too late to do the right thing. Make your park and community a shining example of justice, logic, and compassion. Follow the nonlethal plan that our defenders are presenting to you again today. If you don’t, your park, your community, your careers, and your hands will forever be stained by the gallons of blood you’re preparing to spill.

Sincerely,

Victoria

if you will all excuse me i must go reload some more cartridges to prepare to satiate my perverse blood-lust.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Same ol cut n paste bs as the other whackjob. Guys she just wants a rise so she can follow suit with the other one and cut and paste and twist our words and then paste her irrelevent lies and half truths that she's put together from our comments on the web pages of the other whack jobs.... it's kinda like she's given the boss man a blow to win favors from him... That is in now way meant as any insinuation just a comparison

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

We need to ignore our anti friends. With each response we just add fuel to her fire. We will not change her mind and she will not change ours.

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

"from ingebrigtsen wrote 2 hours 45 min ago
hey jasmineT, dont u realise that pissing off people with guns that can take your head off from a mile away is never ever a good idea??
(NOT that this in any way at all should be construed as a threath of any kind)
and there are computer wizards among hunters too that can actually track u down from your computer.."

If I was worried about that I would have quit 2 years back but between me and roomie we have 3 guns. Anti-hunting does not always means anti-gun for many vegan are pro-gun and know how to shoot unlike recreational hunters (google hunting accident and cash). .

"U ask the same questions again and again and again, just cut, paste, lol it all away as a sport as a mission as if it was a religion! what u and your "friends" stand for is a lifestylechoice, nothing more"

I only "cut and paste" once on the previous post so there goes another lie and seems so far not one of you can come up with a goo d answer that is why all you are spouting so much BS like the "ninjas" thing lol. You see how the ALF are holding an animals they saved? That is nobel and a true hero unlike you all holding victims of death and destruction for your self graitification.

If Jesus was alive today don't you think Jesus would went out and saved the animals?

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/lib7.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/lib7.jpg

I am sure you think Jesus would have cause pain, suffering and death for sports and trophy.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/lib7.jpg

I found the photo in photobucket under "deer" and also "deer hunting" but under "deer" little children can see such sadism.

I put together a new video so I show you later gator .

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

oops here is picture of Jesus

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/cid_00cc01c79cc4aa87d4...

Remeber this one

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/IMG_1230bkind.jpg

Jesus did believe in Karma

Here is another one

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/goodprevailsoverevil-1...

Satan loves thoes destroy life for self gratication

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

That lamb in Jesus' arms would probably be nice and tender...

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

ooops, heres a picture for you Jasmine,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rollxnut/2118755251/

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Protein does nothing for the brain its glucose lolol!! Look at Japan they don't eat a lot of meat but one of the smartest people in the world and then look at western world the land of sports wildife killers and rodeo cowboys now they are some dumb ass people.

Watch this video of Rodeo cowards and hunters threats which is typical of men with small brain and small *** and also proof that those who consume the most meat retards the brain growth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ltPE03Q_nc

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Jasmine,

Do you realize what you are doing here is having the opposite effect you desire?

We typically welcome any guest to this site but this site is not the place for your rants. You can argue, disagree or do just about anything you want but when you attack people we draw the line.

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

The reason why I am here is to defend my friend and speak on behalf of those who suffer and die in silence. Its deer murder season and its important for me to speak on behalf of deer whenever I can and whereever I can.

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from cverstrate wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Stop the hippies! Keep pot illegal!

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Jasmine,

Your post are having the opposite effect. Antagonistic comments do you no good here. You are just drawing the guys closer with diversity.

Besides, you should realize most these guys on this site would give their lives for their dogs. You are painting us with a brush that does not exist.

Again, this is not the site for you.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

apologeez to buckhunter... i'm having too much fun:

deer carolinet or jasminet...or whatever personality i'm talking to... you're right - i am a crappy shot - keep thinking that. hey, you're obviously a youtube fan check this one out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbN4so9NVMs

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Carolinetc or jasmint you seem to be the same person.
I killed about 50 or so prairie dogs this weekend thinking about how much each one would make you cringe if you saw this. I left them all laying in the pasture where they belonged. I also shot a coyote, and six grouse. The grouse tasted great as I fried them in bacon grease, and then made a gravy and baked them in the oven at 350 for an hour. It tasted great. I love to tear into that animal meat that I murdered. I saw a lot of deer and a nice ten point which I can't wait to put my sites on in Nov. I will be taking them and butchering them myself as I enjoy doing this. First I cut out all the guts and leave them on the ground for scavengers to eat. Then I hang them to show them off to my friends and age for about a week, maybe two. Then I skin them and cut off their head. Next I debone them and cut off sinew and give it to my dog. I then go into the house and cut the meat into various types of cuts, mostly steaks and I make a lot of jerky out of them. It is about my favorite thing in the world to do, as I actually am feeding my family by my own doing and not from a vegan market where I would depend on someone else do get my food. I decided that I probably am going to be a meatatarian for the rest of my life as the taste of veggies makes me gag. Just like the sickly site of skinny vegans. Good day morons.

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

wow logan, I'm sooo "impressed" .....NOT lol

Check the video I put together and the recipes are to the right of the videos. All vegan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CPEYXbr7Do

Another one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuQ1ikMr66c

"God giveth the grains and the fruits of the earth for food: and for righteous man truly there is no other lawful sustenance for the body."

Gospel of the Holy Twelve; Lection 38

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

JasmineT
Your recipies look like a load of crap. Kind of like what your mind is made of. I refuse to look at anything on youtube as it is opinion based and not factual. I killed the animals stated above and this is fact. Enjoy thinking of how the praire dogs explode when I use my 06 on them. good day veggie!!!!!

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

JasminT
If you knew anything about Jesus and the Lord, you would know that people were told by God to sacrifice animals in his name. During the passover they were to put lambs blood on their front doors so that their firstborns would be spared. Whenever there was a religious celebration they killed the fattened calf, and Jesus was a fisherman. Preach to someone who beleives idocy and not me.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Jasmine T,

You say you and the roommate have 3 guns. What are they? Do you shoot often? I'm asking this 'cause you realize that means we actually have something in common.....GASP!

The more I think about that, the more interesting it is the fact that you own firearms. That means you are prepared to defend yourself. And if you are prepared to defend yourself, that means you are OK with the thought of hurting or killing someone or something. Being that you are obviously OK with hurting or killing since you said:

"If I was worried about that I would have quit 2 years back but between me and roomie we have 3 guns. Anti-hunting does not always means anti-gun for many vegan are pro-gun and know how to shoot unlike recreational hunters"

Hmmmmm...............very interesting.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Do you realize that fact makes you a stone-cold busted, one-hundred per cent, twenty-four carat gold-plated

HYPOCRITE

You have talked all this talk about the feelings of animals, yet you are armed and prepared to blast something (a person, a wild animal perhaps) to Kingdom Come. You are no better than us. If you were out hiking, would you think it OK to save yourself if you were cornered by a rattlesnake or a mountain lion? They are wild animals - they don't know what's in your heart. Even though you might love them. They know fight or flight - kill or be killed. There's nothing cuddly and fuzzy about them. You want to personify them and make them into Disney creatures or something you cuddle with. You can't make wild animals into animated stereotypes. No matter what anyone says.

Now, would I consider you a hypocrite for defending yourself if you had to? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I think we have the ability to do so and we should preserve ourselves. How much do you love yourself? Your family? Your friends? Are you close enough to anyone to defend them? Would they defend you? There is no shame in that.

Now let me let YOU in on a little secret.

It's OK to kill.

There needs to be a purpose.

It needs to be a good one.

It's not something I take lightly.

I was raised hunting and fishing.

Being in the outdoors. Appreciating God's Creation.

I don't hunt or fish for the pure sport of it.

I have gone just to sit in the woods many days.

I see it like this: If you go to the store and buy meat
you are hunting by proxy. You are a gatherer.

If you hunt and you kill an animal and you put it's meat
to use, you have at least done it honestly. You didn't pay someone else to do your bidding for you.

If you feed yourself and someone else it makes you a provider.

I have no shame for being a hunter and a fisherman, because I have nothing to be ashamed of.

I am fine with your choice to be vegan.

You should be OK with my choice to be a hunter and a fisherman.

Be honest with yourself about all the things you do and all the actions you take. Don't let others define you. Sounds like to me you have some choices to make.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

so caroline or jasmine-tea or whatever u call yourself, u admit to supporting a terrorist organisation, being armed and antagonistic harbouring ill feelings towards lawfully citizens and have been doing so for 2 years..
yeah theire not watching u at all, nah not possible..

And the japs eat whats available to them, like alot of fish, tuna (poor dolphins caught in the tuna nets eyh?)
They also do a bit of whaling, and havent u heard about kobe beef?? and the brain is made up of a bit of proteins and alot of animalistic fat, the body can convert both into glucose for fuel real easily, while overuse of sugar today is the greatest cause of diabetes,obesity and many other "lifestyle" diseases today, while eskimos, for an example, didnt eat sugars in the past they didnt suffer from any of theese diseases eating only meat,fat and fish..
And if u seriously think u r doing any good for anyone or thing here u r sorely mistaken sweetie:P

(someone else call homeland security on her!i dont have that opportunity!):D

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

May I suggest one more time, DON"T encourage the trolls! It serves no good purpose and they multiply like rabbits when you do. And I doubt that vegans taste good!

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

"You say you and the roommate have 3 guns. What are they? Do you shoot often? I'm asking this 'cause you realize that means we actually have something in common.....GASP! And if you are prepared to defend yourself, that means you are OK with the thought of hurting or killing someone or something. Being that you are obviously OK with hurting or killing " sgareredneck

Oh my, how did I know absurdity will come out of me owning a gun?. I will kill in self defense whether be human or non-human animals and I also I believe that I am more in danger of humans then of any animal on this planet.

What Jesus wrote in Essene Gospel of Peace

And after these words they all remained silent, save one, who called out: "What am I to do, Master, if I see a wild beast rend my brother in the forest? Shall I let my brother perish, or kill the wild beast? Shall not I thus transgress the law?"
36 37
and Jesus answered: "It was said to them of old time: "All beasts that move upon the earth, all the fish of the sea, and all the fowl of the air are given into thy power." I tell you truly, of all creatures living upon the earth, God created only man after his image. Wherefore beasts are for man, and not man for beasts. You do not, therefore, transgress the law if you kill the wild beast to save your brother's life. For I tell you truly, man is more than the beast. But he who kills the beast without a cause, though the beast attack him not, through lust for slaughter, or for its flesh, or for its hide, or yet for its tusks, evil is the deed which he does, for he is turned into a wild beast himself. Wherefore is his end also as the end of the wild beasts."

"Speak the truth, be just and merciful to one another and to all creatures, and walk humbly with your Creator." 7:9-10

The Roman Catholic church also sought to suppress translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls which showed aspects of the Essene teachings at Qumran, many of which Jesus taught, that the church didn't want published, because it contradicted official church teachings.
The Essene Gospel of Peace, also called the Gospel of Peace of Jesus Christ, was written earlier than any book in the New Testament.

"If you knew anything about Jesus and the Lord, you would know that people were told by God to sacrifice animals in his name. During the passover they were to put lambs blood on their front doors so that their firstborns would be spared. Whenever there was a religious celebration they killed the fattened calf, and Jesus was a fisherman." logan

Kill Kill Kill is hunters "Jesus" where their "Jesus" sounds more like satan himself. Those are word of man not word of God because the bible rewritten by the "correctors" ommitting many of vegetarian teaching of Jesus and instead putting flesh eating and killing of animals to make pro-kill gluttony humans happy. Remember that slavery too was condoned by "God" in the bible, Hitler use Christianity to justify genocide claiming that too is "is int the bible" which it was in the OT. Slavery still in the NT so your bible is a sham with so much contradiction. HOw about the beatitude (blessed) which hunters love to ignore like

"blessed are the merciful for they shall receive mercy" and you know hunting is nothing about mercy, kindness, compassion and love (obviously)

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

im atheist teabag lady, so pull the other one:P

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

But jasmine, if you kill an animal in self defense, just think about the pain you put it through. Its yelling on the inside and its up to you to hear it! hahah damn hippie

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

You gorgot the exhale of his/her last breath, the tears, the blood, the brains if its a head shot.
The smell. The evacuation of fluids and excrement.
Did I forget anything the gun toting extremist hippies and their band of whackjobs would ban her for comitting that atrocity that violation of their rules. She's supposed to take one for the team and nourish the poor defenseless attacking animal.

For shame shame and all that preaching she did she's in violation of the teachings and brainwashing.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

You forgot the exhale of his/her last breath, the tears, the blood, the brains if its a head shot.
The smell. The evacuation of fluids and excrement.
Did I forget anything the gun toting extremist hippies and their band of whackjobs would ban her for comitting that atrocity that violation of their rules. She's supposed to take one for the team and nourish the poor defenseless attacking animal.

For shame shame and all that preaching she did she's in violation of the teachings and brainwashing.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

What hyprocrites!

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

More pointless dribbles so how about answering my 2 question no one gave me answers to.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

You need to either embrace the guns or throw them away.
No sitting on the fence for you. How can you honestly face your other vegans/animal rights activists?

(Darth Vader voice) COME TO THE DARK SIDE.....

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Blasphemy, Lies, Domestic Terrorism, Threats, Insults, Breaking laws, Not doin any good deeds but sure enough doin alot of harm Speaking with a forked tongue.

They should Quit askin questions that have been answered over and over again.

Those vegan heathens keep referin to religion and misinterprettin scripture and twistin it's words and meanings and the blasphemy.. they'll be in a very hot place for a very long time and it ain't no sauna.

These 2 are the most antagonistic gnats, flies, parasites etc I've ever seen.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

The only answer they deserve from here on out is GFYS!

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

"You should really check out the vegan food at the vegan site and guess what? they are all plants!!"

whoa now, plants are alive too so why can you cut down a living plant that does notthing but spread oxygen and hardly causes diseases but we cant kill animals(which we do. get over it)

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Yeah, what did those poor plants ever do to u?? and just cos they dont have those cow eyes looking sad at u and a voice to scream with they dont deserve our protection?? our love and complete and utter devotion to theire protection?? look out farmers u serious massmurderers killing billions of plants every year, slaughtering them and portraying theire rotting carcases in out public shops.. the vegetative liberation front is gunning for u ALL:P

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

JasmineT
Why don't you answer the question about what guns you have? Seems to me that you may be lyeing about even owning them as you never will mention what they are. Jesus ate meat. I repeat this again, Jesus was a fisherman and he ate meat. One time he fed hundreds by tearing apart a few loaves of bread and a fish or two. Can't remember exact number, but it is in the bible and I beleive it. You don't have to but I choose to. Just like I choose to hunt and fish and always will. You have not swayed anyones thinking towards hunting on this site so why are you wasting your time as we are playing with you like a little puppie? Do you not see how rediculous we know you are. We throw you a bone and you fetch it up and bring it right back every time. Your doing your cause no good by trying to ridicule us a call us a bunch of murderers. You are the one who looks absurd. You obviously can't see this so I guess we'll keep throwing the bait and seeing how often and fast you bite.
ps. I didn't get time to shoot anything today but will try harder tommorrow.

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from Dannyjr321 wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

jasmine you posted some pics of jesus with a lamb. what do you think he kept them around because they where cute. no they where food and dang good i bet

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

ooo the "plant killer" absurdity again meaning no answer to my 2 questions I have given huh?

Jesus ate no meat and would never put a dead body into his temple. Why would Jesus put carcass into a long pocketed herbivore intestine that is designed for plants and where meat can sit for days and poison ones body? If plants provides everything that the humans body needs except B-12 (which comes from dirt) and according to Jesus diet we can drink Goats milk (not cow)

Fruits / Grains / Grasses / Milk / Honey

"So eat always from the table of God: the fruits of the trees, the grains and grasses of the field, the milk of the beasts, and the honey of the bees. For everything beyond these is of Satan."

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from Dannyjr321 wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

what no book chapter and verse this time

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

ahh so its a christian diet then. well im still atheist so more meat for me:P Mmmm charbroiled lamb of god with tiny taters, garlic and tiny silver onions:P:P:P

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

So I gather I will never get an answer so meaning its true that Hunting organization are deliberatly creating large deer herd for sports killing and lying to the public about the "need" for hunting to "reduce' deer population and DVA's.

Anyway, I put this video together yesterday called

Hikers don't forget your orange because hunters may mistaken you for a deer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6mMxjHYlCU

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

JasmineT
The Lord put animals on this earth for us to use. I never said we should abuse them, but he put them here for us to use for work and to nurish our bodies. Anyone who thinks elsewise is a moron. If you wish not to eat meat I don't care, but leave people alone who choose to eat meat. You don't see a bunch of hunters picketing around a peta headquarters trying to shove our ideas and beleifs down someones throat. Get out of our area and blog somewhere that has people who drink the same Koolaid you do you mindless windbag.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

And the answer u have ignored all the time is that theire trying to improve the quality of the deer. by giving each individual enough to eat to grow big and strong and live easily through a cold winter, but since they breed at a high rate then there is gonna be a need to keep the total numbers in an area in check by taking out a certain percentage each year. so hunters are vital in this equation.. shooting, killing and eating the meat.. with u vegans in charge the deer would breed untill they died of starvation.. in cycles untill they become smaller in size and breed even faster than now..
starving generations of deer and not doing anything to protect them.
But im guessing this is an answer u dont wanna listen to anyway, so go back to your own funny ways "making a difference!" on youtube with vids noone watches:D

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

To all vegans it may concern:

You come to our place with your beliefs and views.
You try to convince us that our way is wrong and your way is right. Can't you see all you are doing (and all you have done) is making us more resolute and justified in our own minds.

I salute you for your boldness and trying to convince us being vegan is the only way to go. I happen to be OK with you not hunting or not eating meat. That's your choice and it's OK.

You need to realize that we are not you.

I believe what I believe as far as God is concerned, but I am not here to spew, or bend anyone to my religious beliefs. We have folks here of many walks, and they haven't tried to change my mind about my faith. I respect that and I hope you will to.

I haven't seen a single person on this board change his or her mind about hunting or fishing or eating meat. I have been hunting and fishing since I was old enough to hold a rod, aim a gun, or draw a bow. My parents both hunted and fished, as their parents on both sides hunted and fished. I would take a wild guess and say that a great deal of my ancestors did too.

I have no apologies and no shame for my actions. You have quoted scripture (although some I don't recognize) and yet you (and your group) have shown me at times hate, bigotry, and hypocrisy. You (of your various groups) have violated our First Amendment rights at times and some would like to deny us our Second Amendment rights as well as our inalienable right to "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". At least that's the way I read the words our country was founded on.

You have not convinced one person here. We are not a fringe group or a bunch of mass murderers. Man has been hunting even before he scrawled pictures of himself hunting on the cave walls. Do you think we'd be here if the early hunters were unsuccessful?

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

If vegetarian= indian for bad hunter, is vegan then= indian for bad hunter and picky eater?? :P

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

JasmineT,
YOU WILL NOT STOP US FROM HUNTING!!!!! JUST STOP EVERYTIME YOU POST YOU MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF! If I thought God did not intend for me to shoot an animal, I wouldnt hunt. Why would God create men that are hunters if he did not intend for us to hunt? I am meciful upon the animals by taking a humane shot. I am 14 and have hunted with my dad since I could walk. I will not stop because some brave vegan decided to get on F&S and rant about their beleifs. You get no where by being on here and ranting.

What is a Responsible Hunter?

A resopsible hunter....
strives with all their might to always be safe,
be lawful, kill cleanly with one shot, and practice fair chase.

I may not speak for all hunters out their but,
WE HERE AT F&S ARE RESPONSIBLE HUNTERS!

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Same BS and copy catting of the other brainwashed oxygen thief.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

To:vegan(s)

Karma doesn't work on me cause I don't believe in it. It doesn't exist to me.

You've already proven yourself to be hypocritical and disingenuous in arguments here.

You have pulled religion into the argument to make your 'points', and at that you appear to me to be combining at least one pagan belief, and things from a text that most scholars consider historically interesting but in some ways contradictory to accepted scripture.

I won't get into theological debate since you are having to pick and choose things from different places, nay even cultures, and mixing them to form your own little convenient group of beliefs that suit your cause and your talking points. If there is logic there, I can't decipher it, and you make very little sense anyway with or without your theological 'references'.

If you want to save animals, let us show you how to support and sponsor improvement of habitats. Our methods WORK. Sending a decapitated deer head to a government meeting only plays to shock value; you are alienating more people than you are convincing. That doesn't work.

We are strong enough here to allow you to post and spew your rants. We haven't edited the blog entries. Your sites won't allow like-kind exchange. You have to come here to our site to witness free speech. Your arguments and beliefs are obviously so weak your sites won't allow free and open debate without pulling posts.
You even have to resort to hackers to try to disable our site.

Be a good little foot soldier and invite Jason Miller on here to debate us. If he can accuse us of things publicly, why not do it directly to us instead of having someone do the bidding for him.

Every time you post, we get stronger. Every time you call us mass murderers, we resolve to show more young people the great outdoors through hunting and fishing.
Every time you put up a billboard, we restore a wetland.
Every time you picket a McDonald's or a KFC, we bring back habitat and create homes for that many more animals. Every time you vandalize a business, we promote good forestry practices that do many good things. Keep doing the bad stuff; it motivates us even more.

YOU HAVE DONE SQUAT AT THE END OF THE DAY.

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Our site don't delete anything your does. This place is actully shocking that they allow me do post this much without deleting it like many other places have done. Most hunting forum kicks me out within a day and delets all my comment lol. I just don't understand though why Fiends and scums deleted my photos of merciful Jesus and beautiful photo of my deer. What was the problem, they could not handle animals alive and happy do they need photos of dead ones only?. Was the photos making other disgusting human feel guilty? Probably was especially the photo of merciful Jesus scares the wildlife killers because they want to cling onto the bowhunting Jesus that commit cruelty and sadism to innocent sentient life.

"it teaches what we may and may not eat, what is Kosher and what is not, but having free will again many people eat also what is not kosher, you may or may not approve but as they say down home tough s^*t Y'all!" Moishe

Understand Moishe all that meat eating crap was put there by man (read back comments). Atheist hunter at least is not spouting God name and thumping on that corrupted bible to falsly justify his disgusting action of destroying the work of God.

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from Dannyjr321 wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

"Our site don't delete anything your does." nice grammer this is probably the only thing that she typed not copied and pasted

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

....Then she went on to say she couldn't believe that F&S was leaving her posts up....go figure.

I am starting to think that lack of protein in one's
diet = dementia and other mental problems. Hence, her rantings are some of my proof. And I am sorry but tofu does not count. F--- tofu. I would rather eat some of the bondo body filler that has the fiberglass shards in it.

I'm still waiting on the animal rights ninja himself (Jason Miller) to come on here and 'splain hisself to the good folks. Otherwise AFAIC this thread is as they say, history.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

What's that saying judge not lest ye be be judged or somethin like that... I guess she didn't read that far.

She's upset that we see her for what she is:
A Liar, Hypocrite, Criminal, Hate monger, Antagonist, B^^ch, Fanatic, Loone, I could probably add alot more. Not gonna waste my time. She knows what she is and that shes only here for self gratification.

She's probably all alone in her one bedroom apartment with her 20 cats....drinkin bong water.

For one that preaches about religion she sure is full of hate and totally goin against the teachings of it.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

where to begin... jasmine, i've been deleted every time i post on your vegan sites, no matter how kind or thoughtful i have been. i simply pose ?'s that challenge your world views... since we have answered all your ?'s every which way to sunday- here's some for you:

1. since you don't seem to have a problem with the over-population of deer in shawnee mission park and would have it continue for years until disease and starvation takes it's coarse.... why do you have a problem with ground-nesting songbirds and rodents? the crowded deer are destroying their habitat. arm yourself with some basic woodland knowledge to temper your wreckless compassion.

2. you obviously have no problem pushing your gnostic inspired religion on us, though i could pick apart your constantine and valentinian theology line by line, let's pretend that your cult is valid and you have equal respect for my judeo-christian based faith. acts 10:11-15
reveals to peter that all creatures are clean and God suggests, nay commands, him to kill and eat. the question for you is... why would you regard us as killers if we only are following what we believe to be true? is that what you call 'dealing mercifully and walking humbly?' if we are wrong it is between us and God (apologies to the atheist).

i love how you can say anything you don't like in scripture was 'added by man', yet constantine and his council chopped and edited and left all those 'man' things on the cutting room floor. moreover if we say anything from the bible we are 'thumping'... but you are only enlightening by quoting your version.

allow one more thump... even though you consider the God of the abraham, isaac and jacob to be 'satan'- i don't. if i'm wrong, i'll deal with the consequences ... as will you ... my bible tell me that the animal sacrifices lifted a sweet aroma to heaven... proof positive to me that God loves a good bbq. i, for one, will not deny God the sweet smell of my venison.

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

"A resopsible hunter....
strives with all their might to always be safe,
be lawful, kill cleanly with one shot, and practice fair chase.

I may not speak for all hunters out their but,
WE HERE AT F&S ARE RESPONSIBLE HUNTERS!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy49Yea3iZc

ahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

right... ignore the questions that you can't handle.
-responsible hunter

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Like I said earlier in a post, I have pretty much decided you are delusional. You need to go get help somewhere. You are merely a bother to us like a gnat buzzing around. You make less and less sense with every post you make.

You represent poorly for your cause. I have rapidly lessening respect for it and you with every post you spew forth. Get some new talking points and develop some new strategy, and come back again when you have it honed to a fine edge. Right now it's about as sharp as a freshly-laid turd. Actually a turd would be a better argument and would be more interesting.

I don't know what is in your past but you sound like you are trying to compensate for something that you did or something that was done to you. I don't really want to know your past but you should get your issues straightened out before you cast stones against anyone else.

About the best thing I can say you have done for me is getting my typing skills to improve some. I haven't typed this much in a while and it's been good practice.

There. I ended on a positive note with sort of a complement for you. Now, do yourself a favor and get yourself laid and burn off some of that aggression and frustration you have.

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from Spywell wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

OMG these idiots in kansas city should have never been allowed a billboard.

Kansas is home to some of the largest deer in the US and WE ARE OVERPOPULATED with deer.

Every year during Rut traveling the highways towards Northwest Kansas the highways are literally blood RED and it's a 3hr trip from Wichita to Hays Ks.
The roads are littered with chunks of deer all over the highway. We are extremely overpopulated!

I have a heard of Muleys (about 35) and a heard of WhiteTails (about 37) on my farm. Thats a lot of deer!

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

The reason efgumby is that you aren't one of them so you aren't brainwashed enough to fall for their lies.

They don't have true factual answers only what they've made up while drinking bong water and watchin youtube.
oh and whatever they get from tristing our words around.

That's the reason they don't answer any questions because they don't have answers. Look through our posts and read how many legit questions from us that we have asked them and they have chose to ignore.

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Question to be asked again..

If hunting is about "reduction" why then in "deer management" websites so much emphasis is put on food plots and PRODUCTION of fawns preferably the males? Here are some example of what I mean and please read carefully.

"The number of new deer added to the pre-hunt population is a function of the number of fawns born and their survival until until the fall. The number of fawns born is primarily determined by the number of does, but the survival of fawns, however, is mostly dependent upon the physical condition of does, although predation is certainly a factor is some situations. A large number of does that are nutritionally stressed will not raise as many fawns to be added to the fall population as a lesser number of healthy does." Deer Hunting and Management TX

"Thus, late fall up to early winter is very important for deer herd managers to impact and influence fawn production, so make sure the plant communities on your property is properly managed deer habitat. " Deer Hunting and Management TX

"Some people disagree with shooting antlerless deer; they reason that protecting them -- thus maintaining a maximum breeding base -- will assure large numbers of antlered bucks because terrific numbers of deer will be born each year and button bucks wouldn't be harvested. "PA. Game Commission

"Historically in all states, including West Virginia, hunting regulation have been restrictive during the period of deer restoration with mainly short buck-only season to protect does and encourage deer population growth. As deer becomes more abundant, more liberal hunting regulations including antlerless harvest are required to limit population growth." Fundamentals of Deer Management W. VA.

" Fawn crop is often density dependent. Generally, as doe numbers increase, fawn production per doe decreases. Fewer does can and often do raise more fawns to weaning age than more abundant does." QDM

Doesn't sound like reduction there does it? Continue...

"Deer managers agree that supplemental feeding, whether it be protein pellets, whole cotton seed, or some other type of high-protein food, really helps local deer populations." Deer Management TX

Population above carrying capacity "low recruitment"? Why would they even consider recruitment at all? Isn't our goal to keep deer numbers below carrying capacity to prevent too many deer thus deer vehicle accidents? Then why would they want to "recruit" more deer?

"Managing for proper nutrition in white-tailed deer is important for good body condition, good fawn production and recruitment, and maximum antler growth. Good nutrition can be accomplished by doing three things that involve proper habitat management, supplemental feeding, and the planting of food plots." Deer Managemetn TX

What is the definition of "recruit"?

1. to raise or strengthen (an army, navy, deer herd) by enlisting personnel (in this case, fawns)

3. to enlist (new members), as for a party or organization (or deer to kill for sports)

2. to increase or maintain by supplying anew; replenish (which of course is deer, preferably bucks)

more statements about "adding" deer.

P.129 "With supplemental feeding, it becomes very easy to maitain artificialy high deer densities and still obtain adequate results in terms of antler and body growth." Producing Quality Whitetails Revised Edition
Al Brothers and Murphy E. Ray, Jr. Edited by Charly McTee

" Thus, does are healthier, reproductive
success is higher and more does are able to carry two fawns. Ironically, this can result in a greater deer harvest each year." Quality Deer Management

"With high quality habitat and increased nutrition, the percentage of doe fawns that breed their first fall increases (sometimes up to 25 percent).. Also, a higher percentage of yearling does produce two fawns instead of one." Quality Deer Management

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"Because fawns are born at approximately a 1:1 sex ratio, more bucks maybe born each year. Therefore, in some areas, you actually can increase the number of bucks born by shooting more does." Quality Deer Management

"Other habitat management practices that can improve the quantity and quality of forage available to deer (thus increasing carrying capacity)" Quality Deer Management

Create more land to plant food plots thus more deer you can hold on that area.

"We strive to maintain a deer herd that each year that can provide quality sport to more than a million hunters." PA Deer FAQ

"Let's assume that 75 percent of a whitetail's daily food consumption consists of prime agricultural crops, the other 25 percent of native browse. Such heavy utilization of food plots isn't theoretical; at North American Whitetail's Fort Perry Plantation in Georgia, agricultural crops make up 80 percent of the herd's annual diet. And under management, the deer density increased to more than five times that of natural carrying capacity - even as the health of the natural habitat steadily improved. Here's the key to why whitetails do so well when provided with the right food plots:" North American Whitetails

"If you're not providing the local herd with enough of the right groceries for maximum antler and body size, as well as high fawn survival, you're not enjoying the full benefits of sound management." North American Whitetails

"Varmints, specifically coyotes, are the biggest threats to fawn recruitment on most land throughout the United States. "Deer Management TX

I really hope someone can give me an answer. Remember that deer will locate to other areas to escape the killing and why you see more and more deer. Its the hunting organization creating it plus because compensatory rebound effect killing does not work. Here is from an article called

Hunting Can Increase The Severity Of Wildlife Disease Epidemics

"One reason the policies failed, Choisy and Rohani said, is that they didn’t take into account an ecological principle known as compensation. When a portion of the animal population is reduced, those that survive are left with more resources such as food and shelter. As a result of the newly plentiful resources, the death rate decreases and the birth rate increases, compensating – and sometimes overcompensating – for the loss."

Hunters like to say that "compensatory rebound effect" is a myth but its a fact then you add the food plots and in some places the supplement feeding and salt licks. BAM..that is why you have deer problem year after year after year. Why do you think the top DVA states are the oones that the most heavily hunted for many years its been that way and getting worse.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Tell us one thing, one PROJECT, one good deed you have done. You can't, because your group is based on the protest of something, not the solving of problems.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

http://fuckingshocking.com/index/video/some_fucking_punks_burn_a_dog_ali...

Here tea-lady, here is someone deserving your attention. not us.

Dog owners dont look, yall be spitting with rage if u do..

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

yep, not gonna watch that one... i can't handle animal cruelty. some people can tell the difference.
peta here is a broken record... she couldn't explain her position in real life because there is no cut and paste there.
one last thing, ms. dingdong, most of the people that you term as the 'non-killing public' are meat eaters who think that you and your ilk are as nutty as a squirrel's nest before winter. they won't have your back. go crawl up in dennis kucinich's craw and have a nice cry there... the rest of us have hunting to do.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

JasmineT
No one here is telling you that you are going to hell, so why do you feel the need to tell us we are? We live in the USA, which we have freedom of religion. That means it doesn't matter what religion we are, so quit trying to spout off like you have the only religion that is right. I get sick of people who act like they are better because they follow their religion and think yours is crap. I am religious, but haven't forced mine on anyone else, and could care less what yours or someone elses is. I have my beleifs and you have yours. I won't judge your soul because I don't know what kind of person you are. It does say in the bible that the only judgment that matters is the Lords. I am not without sin, but you don't know my sins. The Lord does and he is who I care about, not pleasing a selfrighteous know it all vegan. You eat your food and I will continue to kill my deer.
I shot three grouse today, and will shoot three more tommorrow. I killed a couple of coons today just because I am sick of listening to idiots like you spout off on this site. Everytime you put something on this site, I kill another animal, so the blood is in your hands so to speak. Have a wonderful day knowing I kill for you.

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

No one here is a Peta and in fact Peta is sort of like the hunting community because they too try to justify killing healthy animals by saying its to "save" other animals. Although Peta's killing does not cause the pain and suffering as the wildlife serial killers do their action is wrong that is why I put this video together plus we know hunters are not "saving" any animals period.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nyNuZ4CEks

Even the non-vegan public feels killing for sports is wrong and you will be surprised how many people tries to eat "cruelty free" by consuming "compassionate" meat even though we know that is pure hogwash. The meat industry knows that majority of the public feel guilty about eating meat that is why they have come up with a new gimmick called "humane meat" . Now wildlife killing public they have no guilt nor shame of destroying innocent life for amusement, trophy and sports.

Just looking at the photos (below) of the serial killers holding their dead victims, its so beyond evil and disgusting its amazing you do't feel embarrased. Must be like the pedophile and serial killers who if amongst their own disgusting kind its "normal" because they know they will never fit in with the decent public. Sports hunters are not liked very much that is why they have so many euphemistic words, whitwash, BS, excues to keep their killing semi acceptable to the public and of course the fear of DVAs which the hunting public created the large deer herd to begin with plus DVA's are the highest during hunting season. The hunting public also lies about the IC deer birth control effectiveness, safety and cost so the non-killing public feels they have no choice that is how the wildlife serial killing people/Division of Nature Rapers (DNR)keep their sadistic killing going for so many years. Thanks to our dedicated and hard working ARA , wildlife defenders and anti-wildlife serial killers more truth are being exposed and also super thanks to youtube and the sadistic humans that upload their disgusting destruction of innocent life the public ARE WATCHING and LEARNING. Even the serial killers and their "tracking wounded deer" site we learned these animals do not die "quick" and description of their lung shot, gut shot, liver etc. A merciful humans can put themselves in the body of the animals and feel their suffering but the wildlife killing people have no mercy just "go home and have something to eat it may take a while for the animlas to die" , "let the deer lay up and die" "let them stiffin up", "wait 4 hours"
"go to the water you might find the body there because deer get thirsty from the fever when they gut shot" etc etc. I have yet to read anything about mercy NONE from the killers and what a horrible death these animals endure.

PS. When I have terrible pains at times the first thing pop into my mind is the suffering of the deer. I know their suffering is 100 times worse then mine when they are dying from arrow wound (or even bullet). When you are in horrible pain do you ever think about the pain you put the animals thru?

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

JasmineT
A simple answer to you is no I don't think about how they feel when I have a headache. It is not the same thing. Nature isn't a nice and humane thing. It is sadistic and that is the way it is. Animals are food, and we kill them to eat them. Sometimes a person is killed by a bear or something else and eaten. It is nature and is harmonic in the way that there isn't peace on earth between all animals. If there was the only animals that would survive would be herbivores, but this is simply not the case. We are omnivores and that is what biology teaches us, as well as human nature. You seem to forget that we are just a part of nature, and nature is cruel. You feel sorry for animals that don't have souls, and don't have feelings like humans. I know this because I am a man of nature as I am a hunter, and rancher. I know more from experiece than you ever will. We wean our calves from the cows, and the cows forget about their calves within two days. Humans will never forget losing their loved ones. We are above wild animals because our brains developed. If our brains didn't, we would be the prey. This is simply not the case, and I don't see how you can argue with facts because you beleive every liberal thing you see on youtube.
You have never answered what guns you own? Are you lying about them?

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Logan and his "Im gonna's" . If I had a dime for every "Im gonna's" from the wildlife serial killers I a be a billionair.

A littel correction.

The meat industry knows that majority of the public feel guilty about eating meat that is why they have come up with a new gimmick called "humane meat" BUT, the wildlife killing public they have NO guilt nor shame of destroying innocent life for amusement, trophy and sports. They cause indirect pain and suffering in the slaughterhouse for food and DIRECT pain and suffering in the homes of the animals for fun and sports.

Also I am not "religious" the reason why I write about God is because of hunters and their "peter, kill and eat" or "pull the quiver and get me thy venison". I let them know they are quoting the words of man not of God.

Any time I go into hunters forums I see their quote on religion like this one.

"As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.
1 cross + 3 nails = 4given"

hahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa YEAH RIGHT!

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

JasmineT
I did do everything I have said. Your wrong about the public and their opinion on eating meat. I would have been out of business a long time ago if the majority of people thought the way you say they do. Quit lying and find some truthful information. We don't believe your ramblings. You just now nulled everything you have said about religion by saying you were not religeous. You are not very good at what you do, and I will enjoy your rebuttle of obnoxious spatter that you send my way. I repeat this one point, if the majority of people honestly beleived what you say I would have been out of business a long time ago. Why is it that McDonalds is thriving and the price of cattle was the best it ever had been until recently after the elction of Obama? You still won't answer what guns you have and I doubt that you know how to hold one in the right direction.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Here is my answer to your question about hunting and herd reduction. We as hunters are not always about reducing the numbers, but for keeping the correct herd size. Some years there are more tags to be filled, and other years there are less. You need to go out and hunt before you start insinuating what we feel or our mentality is. You are very uneducated about wildlife and managment. This is what is going wrong in this world nowdays. People are more worried about how animals feel than matters that are of real importance.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Anyone can go and find accidents and use them for an excuse to stop hunting. There are far less hunting accidents than there are car accidents. I am not disagreeing that you should be a safe hunter, which I am and I only will hunt with safe people, but you think a couple of accidents is reason enough to stop all hunting which is absurd. Humans are omnivores and your too naive and insane to know better. I said the exact same thing as you that the only thing that seperates us from prey is our ability to use our brains, and build technology like weapons to put us on top. Hunters know this better than you do bonehead.
QUIT QUOTING ABOUT RELIGION THAT YOU YOURSELF DON'T EVEN BELEIVE IN. If you think we will listen to you about religion when you place no stock in it your as crazy as your ramblings prove. Humans and animals are different and I don't think that you should snuff out human life for suffering. You bring up humans and death to animals, and I bet you are for abortion! If you really are for animals life you should be against this but I am willing to bet you aren't. I bet you argue for the rights of womens bodies and all this. I only bring this up because this is what liberals do is contradict themselves. It does matter what guns you own because I think you don't own them. I think your a two faced liar that will say what ever sounds the best to try and sway a young persons mind and tell them what criminals all hunters are. I bet your unhappy with your own life so you have to attack people who don't have any worries. You probably find any excuse you can to call us murderers and say we are no better than child molesters. What you need is a therapist and some good drugs to get your mind straight. Then maybe you will crusade for a cause that is truly worthy. Your mindless writings are absurd as your inane ability to speak the truth and find the truth. Enjoy your night crusader of insanity.
ps. I will be taking my oldest boy out tommorrow to teach him how to hunt as humanely as possibleand to teach him how illogical people like yourself are trying to destroy our freedoms as we know them.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

to:vegan

You have recycled your talking points so much they are worn out and have no value anymore.

You even recycled a large part of your last post from a previous one, which leads me to believe that you are a master of cut-and-paste. Your spelling and grammar is inferior if not downright 2nd grade, so the more complex stuff you are pulling from somewhere, hence your change of language.

You have never answered about my questions on the guns and you have contradicted your religious statements by mixing different beliefs.

All you have done for me is affirmed the beliefs I already have. I am stronger in my beliefs (especially on hunting) because of you, so thank you for that.
That's not working the way you want it to, now is it?

For that matter, I don't know of a single soul on here who has been swayed by your BS one single bit.

Since it's OK for you to repeat yourself, I'll start doing it myself. Here's THE questions you dodged bigger than Dallas. How about answer them honestly?

"Tell us one thing, one PROJECT, one good deed you have done. You can't, because your group is based on the protest of something, not the solving of problems."

"You need to either embrace the guns or throw them away.
No sitting on the fence for you. How can you honestly face your other vegans/animal rights activists?"

86ram's series of questions cut to the heart of it:

"What have you done for your fellow man?
What have you done to improve wildlife habitat?
What have you done to help the hungry, the poor?
What have you done to help nature?"

Cut-and-paste your way out of all those....

Oh and BTW, I was wrong on the billboard rate. It was higher. Try $5000/mo. Since they have taken it down, they either sold out their contract on it or they failed to pay on it. Or, it could have been for a shorter term but would have been more $$$ per mo. plus setup. Any way you look at that they are OK with spending money on hyping themselves and a cause but not OK with actually doing anything. That is a lot of $$$ that could have done many good things. It did nothing.

Haven't heard back on your non-profit 503c status and req's. Will post that ASAP when I get it.

How 'bout in the meantime have your Dear Leader spar with us some. Or is he too busy being a ninja and playing with (spanking) his monkey? ROTFLMAO

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

She can't keep her Lies straight so she annoys and antaginzes us with her regurgitated copy and pastes.

If we just talk about her and not to her maybe it'll piss her off and like an unwanted guest she'll leave.

Glad to hear they took down the billboard. What a bunch of lies and crap that thing was just in imagery alone.

She won't answer those questions because she doesn't want to look like a hypacrite because she and her prganizations have done nothing to benefit anyone but themsleves.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Talk about selfishness, self gratification all she wants... it looks like she is the one being selfish and in here for self gratication while trying to get attention..... The single, one bedroom appartment living, no man wants her, bong water drinking cat lady that associates herself with ALF, PETA, HSUS, and other whack jobs.

Guys this is the most attention shes had in awhile if she is a she... not gonna go there... LOL
As long as she gets a rise out of us she can justify here antagonistic ways, lies and criminal ways

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

if you are giving yourself ulcers and gall stones from worrying about the animals we kill you only have yourself to blame... i sleep like a baby. i would never criticize a bowhunter, knowing the skill it takes to get that close to a deer- but for me personally i was not going to try because i didn't like the idea of letting something bleed to death... but jasimine/caroline has almost convinced me to pick up a bow and try it for myself. if i do i'll be sure to look you up, caroline, with pics and descriptions... knowing you will lose sleep and worry yourself sick will make the pain and suffering of the deer all worth it. if you give me your address i'll send you my special vegan chili... i added meat to make it taste good.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

So guys how do you like your deer meat.
If it's a roast or tenderloin. I like it seasoned with cajun incectors venison or honey bacon BBQ, with potato, carrot, onion, sweet basil and salt to taste.
For sides : Biscuits with apple butter, corn on the cob.

Now the tenderloin can be seasoned with salt pepper and wrapped in bacon as well. The bacon has to be the thick sliced bacon (your favorite brand)I prefer Smithfield or the country style salt cured.

Squirrel or rabbit or venison in brunswick stew oh my....

Steaks with onion, bell pepper, black eyed peas, cornbread or spoonbread, ...mmmm good stuff.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

cajun injectors..

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

sounds yummy... i heard that cocacola made a good tenderizing agent- i used dr. pepper mixed with butter and a mesquite bbq marinade.

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

"QUIT QUOTING ABOUT RELIGION THAT YOU YOURSELF DON'T EVEN BELEIVE IN. "
I don't believe in religion I believe in the merciful God. Religion is corruption everything rewritten by man to suit their disgusting agendas just like hunters do with their "peter kill and eat" when God said "thou shalt not kill".

"Humans and animals are different and I don't think that you should snuff out human life for suffering."
No one here is "snuffing out" human lives expect you to your own kind

"You bring up humans and death to animals, and I bet you are for abortion!"

I know when wildlife serial killers are losing when they use "I bet you are for abortion" to try and take focus off their disgusting selves. Pro-life means ALL LIFE but I am pro-castration to people who breed wildlife serial killers and rodeo cowboys (republicans conservatives).
Still no one have given me a valid answer to the question I have given for the past weeks instead they all dance around it hoping to push back further and be forgotton. I have not forgotton and I will keep coming here to ask to same question in fact maybe I will got another Fiends and scums posts and ask the same question but then I probably get the same song and dance there too.

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Do you all have no shame what so ever.?? This photo came from Fiend and scums right here and not one of the wildlife killers reprimanded about this lowlife scums killing a baby deer and with AN ARROW.

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/metia002.jpg

Can you imagine the horrific death the baby endured for recreational hunters self gratification? The mother must have been trying to protect the baby but he probably shot her too..

YOU ARE ALL SO DAMN DISGUSTING! I am uploading the photo on youtube (I will cover his ugly face) but I want the public to see that it's the "norm" to shoot an arrow as a baby and other killers support it as well!

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

JasmineT
What in the heck makes you think you are winning anything? Look at all your remarks and see how many pluses you have compared to the rest of us.
Dodging the question on abortion huh?
Come on and try to castrate me if you think you could get it done! MAKE MY DAY!!!!!
Everyone on the site has answered your question, with exception to me as the only reason I respond to you is to see what absurd bs can come from a vegan salad shooter.
I have never killed anyone, just animals. It is a blatant lye to accuse me of murdering my own. I have no shame for hunting, just enjoyment. I enjoy it more than anything in this world. The only thing better is taking your own kids hunting. And maybe giving a vegan fish some bait to see how fast they bite.
You will never win anything on this website except in your own perverted mind so go ahead and wine some more. Give your address and I will send you some cheese.
A couple more questions earth child, please explain why humans eyes face forward just like carnivores? Oh and why would anyone beleive a cartoon pig other than idiots or children that humans are not omnivores? And why does this cartoon show cows with teeth on top and bottom of their mouths? This is not truthful at all. Why do humans not have four stomachs? Why aren't our eyes on the sides of our heads? Why is it that I digest meat just fine brainiac? Why do we have three kinds of teeth instead of just flat teeth in the back for grinding? Why can't we digest grass and tree bark like cattle? Why do you beleive idiots instead of true biologists? What credentials do you have to say that we are not the educated ones? And last but not least, what guns do you own?
ps. I am glad to be discusting to you. I ate some damn tasty ham today, and it made me feel better knowing that people like you have to just live with the fact that I eat meat each and every day. Lastly I would rather die of a heart attack at age 50 than to be a vegan and live to 90.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Jasmine, or Caroline, or whoever you are today:

First of all the photo you stuck up there- what issue and what person? F&S doesn't just throw pics up and not give credit. I have to call BS on that one. The hunter is not wearing his orange vest, he looks photoshopped. PLUS, no ethical hunter would EVER shoot that. Few if any unethical hunters would shoot that either because they would be ridiculed by others as 'Bambi-killer'.

Until you show me issue and page I call bulls#!+ on this one. F&S wouldn't publish that- that's unethical unless they were ridiculing this moron(who probably doesn't exist).

AND, if we're so disgusting, why are you trolling around still, and what makes you think we are going to be swayed by your convincing arguments and rock-solid logic? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That bongwater and tofu diet you have going on there has rotted your vegan brain. I would say get some mental help, but it may be too late for you.

I think you live a life of displeasure. I think your misery has affected you and your judgment so badly that you feel the only way you can cope is to judge others.
I feel sorry for you that your faith in God is so weak that you feel you have to judge when it is His job to do. Do you think God is that weak that he needs you to do that heavy lifting?

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

how'd the dr pepper and mesquite bbq work out?

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Echoing Logan and sgaredneck:
No self respecting hunter would kill a fawn of any type.
They would be ostracized and would be no better than you, your orginizations or a poacher!

And you need to quit photoshopping pictures and creating your fake videos... you've been called on that and many other things you've said / done.

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

JasmineT
"What in the heck makes you think you are winning anything? Look at all your remarks and see how many pluses you have compared to the rest of us."

Omg how sad they all rely on the pluses to make them feel "important" hahhaaaaaaaa

"Dodging the question on abortion huh?"
There was no "dodging" I said pro-life is ALL LIFE animals are LIFE too.

"A couple more questions earth child, please explain why humans eyes face forward just like carnivores? "
We have "eye in front" because the primate our distant cousins needed the "eye in front" to swing from tree to tree. Sorry, it's not because you are a "predator" in the animals kingdom you are FAR from it.
Primates are 95% fruit eaters, little bit of termites (b-12) and 1.4% meat which is for sexual favors not for diet purpose.

"Why do humans not have four stomachs?"
Not all herbivore animals have extra chambers. Also humans have long warm intestine which is pocketed and a bad place for putrid flesh to sit and bacteria/poison can seep thru the intestinal walls that is why human get sick from meat eating related disease. Carnivores have short smooth stomach to rid of waste fast.
"Why aren't our eyes on the sides of our heads? "

We do not need eyes in "side of our heads" in the human kingdom for man should not be killing other humans. In the animal world they need the predators and prey to keep the healthy eco in the humans world we only need eyes , hands and even walking to pick fruits from the trees and plants/fruits from the ground. Our hands are even designed for that purpose its not designed for using weapons and killing (see hunting accidents/cash). If would not feel normal to use your bare hands to choke a deer to death would it? You don't even have speed that is why hunters have to let the deer "lay up and die" when they wound them. Carnivores do not have to do that.

"Why do we have three kinds of teeth instead of just flat teeth in the back for grinding? "

"Human teeth are also similar to those found in other herbivores with the exception of the canines (the canines of some of the apes are elongated and are thought to be used for display and/or defense). Our teeth are rather large and usually abut against one another. The incisors are flat and spade-like, useful for peeling, snipping and biting relatively soft materials. The canines are neither serrated nor conical, but are flattened, blunt and small and function Like incisors. The premolars and molars are squarish, flattened and nodular, and used for crushing, grinding and pulping noncoarse foods.

Human saliva contains the carbohydrate-digesting enzyme, salivary amylase. This enzyme is responsible for the majority of starch digestion. The esophagus is narrow and suited to small, soft balls of thoroughly chewed food. Eating quickly, attempting to swallow a large amount of food or swallowing fibrous and/or poorly chewed food (meat is the most frequent culprit) often results in choking in humans."
Why humans are primarily plant-eaters by design
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc2HfsdVvjo

Proof that God designed man for plant eating not for meat.

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

"First of all the photo you stuck up there- what issue and what person? F&S doesn't just throw pics up and not give credit. I have to call BS on that one. The hunter is not wearing his orange vest, he looks photoshopped. "

That is not "photoshopped" lol. I found the photo here when I was uploading mine about a week ago which Fiend and scums deleted because its showed Jesus Christ as a compassionate and merciful soul and "God forbid" that "christian hunter" will get offended because they need their killing Jesus . In bowhunting you rarely see them wearing orange .. Look at the uploads here I don't see a lot of them wearing orange.

"Until you show me issue and page I call bulls#!+ on this one. F&S wouldn't publish that- that's unethical unless they were ridiculing this moron(who probably doesn't exist)."

Bowkillers are the ultimate sadist ..Look at these photos
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/00small58442248.jpg
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/00small31858865.jpg

http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/00small34470568.jpg
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/00small11340418.jpg
http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr146/tazman55/00small11340418.jpg

You say its "unethical" but the hunters kills fawns too , I know some DNR allows fawn killing because I read about body counts at the end of the year deer killing season and how many fawns they slaughtered is mentioned too. You know that tally thingy where they use that word "harvest" rather the word "kill, slaughter, or mass murder" . I guess they do the fawn killing when the number gets too high from manipuation to increase deer herd size or to "rid of" the execess female so more food will provided for the males and the does nutritional needs for the buck fawns. . So sad how these babies have to die a horrible death for someone sick recreational purpose.

Its funny how they all talk about eating venison to try and convince the public their killing is not only for fun but for food but we all know otherwise. Hunters know about mad deer disease/CWD/Prions that is why the Pantries exist this way they can kill for fun and not eat and eat the carcass thus risking their health.

What the government isn't telling you about mad deer disease.

"Prion diseases are so awful and the proteins so unpredictable that scientists take extraordinary precautions against infection when studying them in the lab. Patrick Bosque, a neurologist at the University of Colorado in Denver, studied prions in hamsters and mice, which do not appear to be transmissible to people. Yet he routinely wore disposable gloves, shoe covers and a gown, and avoided carrying his lab notebook or other potentially contaminated material out of the lab. Whenever he conducted a procedure that might spray or splash prions, he worked in a special hood to shield his face and upper arms. "Then you're going to tell me I'm going to eat deer?" Bosque asked. "I definitely would not eat deer I thought had been infected.""

"The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, which relies on fees from hunting and fishing licenses, continues to reassure hunters there's no evidence that humans can catch CWD from consuming venison. It cautions hunters to avoid obviously ill animals (though deer may be infected without showing symptoms), and to wear rubber gloves when butchering deer and avoid cutting into or consuming neurological tissue. >>>Some hunters too squeamish to eat their kill are donating the venison to pantries for the homeless.<<<<"

http://dir.salon.com/story/mwt/feature/2002/10/21/maddeer/index.html

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Were you the stupid one that was hit by the car at the protest???? If you were, it figures.

Like I said earlier show me page and location in an F&S magazine or location on this site where you got that photo. BS called again. It doesn't exist.

I had a conversation with an animal rights person this evening. That's right - that's what I said. She is one of my wife's friends from college. We had a very cordial and intelligent conversation about lots of things. Turns out her group thinks y'all (Bite Club and/or ALF or whatever) is what she considers to be COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to the cause of bettering things for animals. She actually called y'all "MORONS" (among other things that weren't so nice or repeatable here)and said that the stunt of sending the deer head would wind up hurting the animals' cause and animal rights groups causes worse than anything.

Actually the conversation with her was quite enlightening, and we each understood each other's motivations a lot better. I am in no way changed in any beliefs I have (neither is she), but we agreed on a lot more things than i would have ever expected. We disagreed on some too but we were honest in our reasons for and against.

It's too bad you are so brainwashed and closed-minded. You would get a lot more accomplished and would have a whole lot more good will with even your adversaries.
As it stands no one here respects, trusts, believes, or cares for anything you say or do. Your credibility is zero with us(hunters/outdoors people) and now I know that even other animal rights people think you and your group are a detriment to the 'cause'. MORONS indeed!!! Not my words - HERS!!!!

There are no amounts of BS youtube videos or photoshopped pictures you can put out that will convert anyone except a true kool-aid drinker. Your scriptures from mostly non-recognized texts are not helping either. You have so much out-of-context stuff going on you are able to bend things into saying what you want them to say. You might as well be quoting from the JC Penney catalog instead of J.C. Himself.

Your case and your arguments get weaker and weaker with each of your posts. Please keep posting. You will do nothing but strengthen the resolve of everyone here, and you will finish ruining your group's credibility. As if y'all had much if any to begin with.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

sgaredneck... AMEN! I agree 100% with you. Her antics have in no way changed my opinion or thoughts on Hunting, Fishing.

I have stregnthened my resolve and disgust with the anti's and their crap.

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

"I had a conversation with an animal rights person this evening. "

omg, I knew this one was bound to pop up from one of the wildlfe killers on this forum because when they get desperate they use the "I have a vegan friend" or "I have an AR friend who said" blahblah

YEAH RIGHT!

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from JasmineT wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

@86

I am not here to change you or anyone of the wildlife serial killers I am here to refute hunters BS.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

to vegan(s):

"a funny thing happened on the way to the telephone...."

There was no desperation in my talking to her. My wife and this friend talk at least 3 or 4 times a week. Your BS remarks, and the actions of your group in KC prompted me to ask her a few questions. This is not the first time we've talked, since I've known her as long as I've known my wife. This isn't the first time we've talked animal rights, or about the people that run in those circles.

This is the first time however, that I have had a reason to talk to her about a group in particular (your group)since she knows who you people are. She is from Kansas, and as soon as I asked "have you ever heard of ...?" she filled in all the blanks and knew of your fearless ninja/wannabe anarchist/monkey spanking leader as well. Then she proceeded to describe your tactics, your actions, and how others in the group she runs with think you, your group, and your leader Mr.Monkey Ninja are a black eye and a detriment (this is putting it VERY MILDLY)to the 'cause'. Not my words, hers. And lots of 'em. I mostly listened, and just let her roll. I was very entertained and enlightened to say the least.

AND NOW THAT WE ARE ON THE TOPIC OF WHO IS REFUTING WHO'S BS, I think it's pretty obvious here that as you post more and more, you make your own case weaker and you give us more ammunition (pun intended) to make our arguments. Your last posts were annoyingly short. Did your right click button on your mouse fail you? Poor mouse - he was so tired..........

Your playbook assumes at some point we are just, um, maybe "dumb rednecks"???? Wait - that's supposed to be me.....but I'm not THAT dumb. Nobody here has threatened your family or vandalized your property. Wait, somebody did that stuff to one of our own members who posts regularly here.....HMMMMMMM. Do you think messing with anyone's kids is right??? Somebody did that too. We even got represented as a group of murderers on a billboard. (As an aside I was more offended as a handgun owner than I was a hunter, since I think handgun/CCW rights are a whole 'nother ball of wax.)

Gosh, that could be construed as violating someones First and Second Amendment rights.......That is just pure genius on your group's part there. I predict soon you will be protesting your legal fees more than the plight of the deer. Wait - that's possibly more money you could have spent to do good, and you're spending it with some ambulance-chasing lawyer......

That's all right. It's not your money. You are just a drone, a foot soldier, a pawn.....doing someone other person's bidding. Sure you believe what you believe. I know you do. Who really paid for that billboard?????

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Jasminet
The only thing that any of your posts have refuted is that you could be an intelligent person. I don't care how smart you think you are, or how many youtube videos that you use for sources of information, you are still wrong. I can go search youtube and find clips that refute what you say on the same source that you have. Youtube is not a place for information unless your a mindless dip. You are so confused mushroom lady. Humans evolved to be able to eat many forms of food. You need to eat a little of everything to be the most healthy. I don't worry too much about health because idiots like you try to tell me what to eat and lie to people about what humans are susposed to eat, so I eat more meat than what anyone really needs. I eat meat as the main course and every meal. I raise cattle, so that is my main food source, and it costs me little because it is my own. I will never change, and it is funny you waste your time trying to change us. That picture you have I have a hard time beleiving it is real. For one thing, in my area anyways, the fawns don't have spots anymore, and are twice to three times that size during bow season. That looks like a month old or less fawn.
PS. Last night I ate the most delicious home raised beef sirloin steak I have ever made. The red juices were the most succulent flavors I have ever put in my mouth. I ate it rare, just two minutes of searing on each side. The middle was still cold. I thanked the cow for gracing me with all this protein to supplement my body. I had corn and potatoes on the side. No tofu for me ever.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

The only thing you're doing is diminishing the legitamacey of your posts with your lies and BS and your lack of will to answer any question asked of you.

You're still a lawbreaker and hypocrite and ally yourself with like organizations therefore no one in their right mind would even claim to accept your blasphemy, lies and antics

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Jasmine,
Just beacause you are a single 55 year old woman with a house full of cats, doesn't mean you have to take it out on us. My suggestion to you is, go on an outing, say in southern Georgia, and see how nice and cuddly all of the feral hogs and wild dogs are. You would put a bullet in one of them probably quicker than anyone on here would. You would end up shitting your pants 30 feet up a tree trying to escape "God's creatures".

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

They are soft and cuddly right up to the point that they would f*** you up. Skeeb -you aren't in GA are you?

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

my earlier post was directed to jasmine or whatever his/her name is.

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from JasmineTC wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Skeeb I love animals but I am not stupid. I would not be wading in water with tigers even though I love tigers, I would not be walking in forest where ferral hogs can attack me, even with deer during rut season I make sure to stay back when it's that time of the month lol

*I* put together those youtube videos except of course the snuff videos though some I take and reupload to put under "animal cruelty" (that is where it belongs). The youtube video are used by people on website, forums etc and everything in the video is what I have researched and put together. Like the video "ethical hunters says 'let the deer layup and die'". I found everyone of those quote from your websites, forums, bowsite etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw4MyyM1utc

Still no answer to that question I gave you about a week ago huh? I gave you a long list of terrorism and human death from your (hunting) side but you gave me none from our side because there isn't any, AND you call us "terrorist"? lol

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Well the list of acts of terrorism starts with ones on our own, those threats to Idahooutdoors, and the threats to his home and family. Then the libel/slander suit-in-waiting billboard that your group put up. And yet you are stupid and foolhardy to come to OUR forum, and then have the nerve to preach your beliefs, and then bring God / religion / theology into the mix. That folks, is a tactic out of their playbook to try to divide us, if y'all haven't figured that one out yet. Those are just the micro-view ones. If you aren't terrorists, then why are you on government watch lists for just such acts?????

Actually there are more than one of you making entries as 'Jasmine T' and 'Caroline TC'. Ask me how I know this.

Now answer this honestly. How much do you think with all your efforts you have swayed even ONE of us here?

We believe in free speech and all the rights our forefathers granted us by law. You can see how we have allowed you to 'voice' yourselves in a forum that is not even technically public. Your groups aren't strong enough to do that and WON'T allow it. We believe our arguments and position are exactly that strong. Your argument depends on, and hopes for, having laws changed so that we (who are law-abiding hunters) would be denied our rights. And when the laws don't suit you, you take direct action, and are shielded by special interest groups and hidden money from people who are above (and too good for) standing on a picket line.

Would you really want to rile the hunting/outdoors/shooting sports/fishing community enough to challenge YOUR rights to have 17 cats in your house, or worship whatever little pagan flora and fauna god you are into this week, or to eat as much tofu as you can crap out?
That's not realistic. Yet your dim and closed-minded views fail to see that you are asking and wanting something that you might not want. When you infringe on our rights, you also infringe on your own.

Are you sure you want what you think you want? If so bring the battle. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Jasmine Why the hell do you keep asking questions expecting answers when you won't answer any of our questions directed to you?

We've answered your questions and even simplified it for you.

Quit playing your stupid and childish games. Lay off the bong water too. You must be on some heavy stuff and with the lack of protein it's really affecting you.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

now, now... lets be nice to jasminetc. at least she's no hypocrite. i'm sure she follows her vegan religion with pharisaical veracity. i'm sure she's never owned a mouse trap, but instead uses ethical trap and release methods. i'm not sure how she figured out how to do that with cockroaches, termites and carpenter ants, but i am sure that her conscience would not allow her to hire an exterminator. perhaps she has devoted her home as a insect habitat. she gave up driving a car after the first bug that she hit. she climbed out scraped it off and gave it a proper burial, she cried for awhile and now walks everywhere. i'm not sure how she plants her herb garden for fear of cleaving sentient worms and grubs in twane... perhaps she developed a worm detector to avoid the guilt of seeing a living being writhing in pain. of course she would rather see children stung or bitten rather see a rattlesnake or a hornets nest removed from it's playground habitat. she would never buy a flea and tick collar for her cats. what am i saying? she would never own an animal, having a pet would have the connotation of a slave / owner relationship- having an animal for the entertainment value of a human is out of the question for such an honorable vegan as her. if she did keep an animal it would be for the expressed purpose of giving fleas and ticks a place to dwell. she has, undoubtedly, suppressed the natural reaction of slapping the skin when bitten by a mosquito, after all, she has come to realize that without her blood the female mosquito cannot lay her eggs. she can't use anything anti-microbial, after all, who is she to think that she is a better species than our loveable little one-celled friends? in fact those crabs she got in high school from the dude that lost a bet with his buddies have been living in peace for years, she hasn't showered since for fear of washing one down the drain- of course meaning its'certain death. i'm sure if she did involve herself in the destruction of any of these species she would try to cover her hypocrisy by claiming that 'at least she didn't enjoy or relish in the killing of these creatures' because that is the important thing to these sentient beings... the state of mind of their killer. we should instead applaud jasminetc for her devotion to her religion of veganism and her strict adherence to it. hats off to you miss j we could all learn from your example.

btw... this is what a post looks like when it wasn't pasted from another website.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

That was awesome. I'm getting verklempt now.....

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Wow I'm touched.very moving statement sir,

.. shes as worthy of a nobel peace prize as obama

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

http://fuckingshocking.com/index/video/dogs_fight_and_have_sex_at_the_sa...

Hey tea-lady, love thyne enemy ;)

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

where did she go? this conversation was just getting interesting. i hope she didn't leave just because of little 'ol me...
hey ingebrigtsen, that video was really funny, but that dude with the stick should have it mysteriously shoved into somewhere dark and mysterious... something similar should be in the near future of the two dog owners as well. i would volunteer my services to such an endeavor.
i agree with the dogs though... 'make love not war.'

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

He's / She's probably taggin out and lookin for another whackjob to regurgitate her cut and paste bs or come up with new bs.

Or like a child who gets tired of being ignored simply wandered off.

Or like a scolded dog she wimpered away..

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from JasmineTC wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

hahaha the wildlife killers and their "if you kill mosquito's you are a hypocrite" comments. Do you think your dog is a same sentient creature as a mosquito?

I discovered a few other things since I was gone..CWD has been found in Michigan and also that Michigan deer herds has quadrupled to 1.8 million since the 1970's and one county even 10 times more. Southeastern Michigan have loads of hunting too.

"Since 1970, the deer population in Michigan has quadrupled to 1.8 million, but southeastern Michigan's deer population has increased by 10 times."

"Michigan now joins a growing list of states in which CWD has been discovered," said wildlife biologist and QDMA CEO Brian Murphy. "However, among these, Michigan has the largest deer population, highest number of hunters and greatest impact on the U.S. hunting economy"

Michigan is top 10 in DVA's as well as the other top 10 are the most heavily hunted states. I was working on a video and had to watch some of the newest snuff videos from hunters and do you know what I've notice? Everyone have their food plots, all the hunters want their big racked deer and with land after land of hunters creating food plots its no wonder there are so many deer in heavily hunted states.

Take the compensatory rebound effect (newest video I put together)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doAd9OYs_v0

Then have food plots, supplement feeding, killing predators..BAM! that is why there are so many deer and hunting org love to blame the deer for the problem. Also because of hunting CWD is spreading so overall hunting are no good for nothing only satisfy your sick desire to destroy life.

Oh and another thing I discovered is "driving" the deer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA7JcLnvBeE

More reasons for high DVA's during hunting season.

ta ta hope all is well..NOT lol

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

JasmineTC
Your research on food plots is a joke. If no one planted food plots, the deer would feed on other things like farmers crops, and pastures and acorns and every other food there is. I live where noone plants a food plot, because there is plenty of natural food. Your food plot theory is bogus. Our deer come in and eat on our fields every evening and group together. Our fields are planted for harvest of the food that is intended for human consumption. I don't plant them for foodplots, and noone in my county has a food plot other than CRP. However I see nothing wrong with planting a food plot, and it is hardly the cause of CWD. CWD is hardly a problem most places, and is a disease that comes and goes just like every other. We hunt because we enjoy it, and we do manage deer more than you will ever acknowledge. Your findings are just a few phrases someone says and is taken completely out of context. You lie more than anyone I have ever heard ramble. I repeat this once again, noone but nimrods and noodlebrains beleives a word in your writings, or your youtube videos. Your nonsense has been debunked continueously. How can you imagine, even in your own mind, that you are doing anything worth while? Most people think you and your kind are loons. I keep to my business and don't tell you what to eat or do for enjoyment, keep to your own business and quit sticking your nose where it doesn't belong. By the way last weekend my father in law and myself went grouse hunting and both limited out. Next weekend is opening pheasant season and I will dedicate my hunt to idiots like yourself. I will blast them birds right out of the sky and enjoy every second of it.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Jasmine T
Jasmine TC
Caroline TC
or
whoever you are today,

You have no content in what you are saying. Then with a heaping helping of youtube links, you debase and demean yourselves even further. Frankly, I was somewhat enjoying sparring with your outfit, but when you made your remarks about the Corcoran boy and his family on the other blog, that crossed the line. I am forced to become ruthless in my pursuit now.

Excuse me while I dine upon a deer roast served with a fine homemade scuppernong wine.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Jasmine your mom should've done done the world a favor:
She should've spit, swallowed or aborted.

The same goes for all the antis moms.

GFYS and that goes for the rest of your bongwater drinkin whackjob freinds.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Wait, you all think drinking bong water is wierd?

hahahah jk. And jasmin, you are not going to accomplish ANYTHING for animal rights or any of that bullshit. You just make all of us put an extra bullet in the next animal we shoot.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

you are the one who claimed 'Pro-life means ALL LIFE' so if you consider a mosquito to be a lower life form than a dog than, yes, you are a hypocrite- based on your own rules you are a practicer of speci-ism. if you are going to come on here and call us killers you must also don the moniker for the killings that you involve yourself in... you have set your own bar, we didn't set it for you. i have rules that i set for myself... i will not kill a coyote because i love dogs and it looks a lot like a dog i used to have. i will not kill a goose, even though they look delicious, because geese mate for life and i don't want to deprive another goose of her life-mate. i will, however shoot ducks all day, because ducks are sluts. i also like lady bugs a lot and i have never kill a praying mantis or a walking stick because they are cool bugs, but i will torch, crush, poison, and destroy roaches, ants and flies all day long. the difference is that i don't call a coyote hunter a 'dog-killer' nor do i get mad at someone who kills a goose. these are my own personal rules that i put on myself, if i were to change someone's mind about goose hunting by means of a normal conversations (the type that you have with normal people)then yippee for me, if i don't... i didn't have the conversation with the goal of changing anyone.
here's a thought for you, change your name once more, come back on here without all the name-calling and simply state that you respectivley disagree with our viewpoint... 99.9% of hunters will have a nice pleasant conversation with you. you must not know any hunters because we are the people that will help you with a flat tire or a rundown battery. we will go out of our way to help a person in need. it's ok to disagrre with us, just do it nicely or we will tell you to shut the hell up.

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from JasmineTC wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

"They (prions) are also impervious to radiation.”

"We're dealing with something that science at the moment simply doesn't fully understand. Total honesty with the public is the only responsible way to proceed."

"There is an illness in the wild, leaving a trail of
questions as it spreads from state to state."

"Are these animals healthy, or stricken with a
deadly illness known as chronic wasting disease?"

"CWD, as it is known, is a cousin to bovine spongiform encephalopathy < mad
cow disease < which has proven deadly not only for cows but some humans as
well. "

"Wildlife officials as far east as Illinois and Wisconsin, where CWD was
detected two years ago, are equally worried.

But unlike mad cow, chronic wasting disease infects species that remain a
minor source of food for Americans, and there are notable scientific
differences between the diseases."

"...Yet there are plenty of similarities between mad cow and CWD. And the United
States has an estimated 10 million deer hunters and 900,000 elk hunters; in
Michigan alone, more than 500,000 deer are killed during hunting season.

In areas infected with CWD, up to 10 percent or more of deer are found
to carry the disease.

Both are transmissible spongiform encephalopathies, or TSEs. They can both
be passed from animal to animal, though by different means, and are thought
to be caused by misshapen forms of proteins known as prions. These deformed
prions eat holes in a creature's brain, inevitably leading to death."

"Unfortunately, both the federal and state governments are badly bungling
this issue and falsely reassuring people that what happened in Britain could
never happen here. The Centers for Disease Control should have made all
cases of human CJD reportable to monitor the true number, but in 1999
refused to do so.

At the same time, the CDC acknowledged several puzzling cases of patients
who died of neurological diseases after eating wild game. In 2003, doctors
at the VA Hospital in Seattle reported Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in three
hunters; the CDC would not investigate, saying there was no evidence the men
ate tainted meat. A 2002 study documented three Wisconsin men who regularly
ate venison and took part in large "game feasts"; two were diagnosed with
CJD and one was diagnosed with Pick's disease, a form of dementia.

While wildlife agencies play down any danger, they also provide stark
warnings not to eat animal parts considered to be at highest risk, such as
the brain and nervous tissue. Many suggest that meat from an infected animal
not be eaten at all.

It's kind of a mixed message," says Jim Woodward, a Wellington, Colo.,
activist who opposes the state's approach. "They seem to be comfortable in
making some extremely definitive statements that humans aren't going get
this disease. And that's exactly what happened in England in the 1980s," in
the early days of mad cow.

Some researchers share his skepticism. Working with mice, University of
Colorado neurologist Patrick Bosque has detected infectious prions not only
in neural tissue but in muscle, and believes CWD may be transmissible to
other species, including humans. It is a view shared by many who study the
disease.

'We have to be careful about concluding that it hasn't happened,' says
Hoover. "

How many innocent people in the pantries have sports hunters poisoned?

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from JasmineTC wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Seems like CWD is spreading

The disease was long thought to be limited in the wild to a relatively small endemic area in northeastern Colorado, southeastern Wyoming and southwestern Nebraska, but it has recently been found in new areas of these states, as well as in wild deer and elk in western South Dakota, and wild deer in northern Illinois, south-central New Mexico, northeastern and central Utah, south-central and south-eastern Wisconsin, central New York, north-east West Virginia, Kansas and west and south-central Saskatchewan. Also, CWD positive moose has recently been discovered in the endemic area of Colorado

I bet its because all those supplemement feeding, baiting and salt lick. YOu are destroying our wildlife and innocent human lives!

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

anyone else hear that? it's like a gnat or a mosquito...someone pass me the off before i get annoyed.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

efgumby:
She cant help if she's brainwashed and doesn't know what ashe's talkin about. She just wants to annoy us and get us riled up.
She doen't care about the truth she only cares about her self, her lies and youtube.

We've found if you don't reply to her nonsense and lies she pouts, sulks and comes up with different repetative ways to annoy us.

Don't give in to her antics... every hunter and outdoors person knows she's full of crap and is making stuff up as she goes.

We also knows she's alone and this is the only attention she gets.

She's another sheep in PETA, HSUS, ASPCA , ALF and YOUTUBEs flock.

She has no facts to back up anything she says or puts on here. She only refers to youtube and the 1970s.

So don't give do her any favors by replying to her. Anyone who reads this message board will know what she is and see thru her bs and lies

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Alone being alone in her one bedroom appartment with her cats. No man or woman in her life ... such a sad pitiful life she must have..

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

i'm with you... enough about the gnat. i got some 150 gr. hornady spbt to put into brass before rifle season starts.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Good luck and reload a few for me ... take it easy

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

jasmine, don't forget about wolves, mountain lions, bobcats, and bears, you might want to try to sue them so they stop killing deer and all those other little innocent creatures.

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 23 weeks ago

Please Jasmine, get your facts strait. suplemental feeding provides deer with a proper balance in nutrition to STOP CWD!!!!! notice how deer that have vast food plots to eat from dont have CWD. with out hunters CWD would continue to spread to a lot of deer and you could watch them waste away slowly. Is that what you want? Didnt think so. In the end you "anti's" harm the deer more than anyone. Leave hunting alone so we can get back to restoring ecosystems and stoping the threat of the CWD disease. Once again you show us that you all are brainwashed into thinking you are right and hunters are wrong. So rember, without population control, your little deer would waste away slowly and end up dying off. Your welcome

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

JasmineT,
YOU WILL NOT STOP US FROM HUNTING!!!!! JUST STOP EVERYTIME YOU POST YOU MAKE A FOOL OF YOURSELF! If I thought God did not intend for me to shoot an animal, I wouldnt hunt. Why would God create men that are hunters if he did not intend for us to hunt? I am meciful upon the animals by taking a humane shot. I am 14 and have hunted with my dad since I could walk. I will not stop because some brave vegan decided to get on F&S and rant about their beleifs. You get no where by being on here and ranting.

What is a Responsible Hunter?

A resopsible hunter....
strives with all their might to always be safe,
be lawful, kill cleanly with one shot, and practice fair chase.

I may not speak for all hunters out their but,
WE HERE AT F&S ARE RESPONSIBLE HUNTERS!

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from jay wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Its funny they chose a semi-auto pistol (1911?) as the weapon of choice to shoot the 1 month old fawn.

1. There's a good chance in Missouri/Kansas that semi-auto's are not allowed for deer hunting. In IL, semi-auto pistols are not allowed.
2. How many of us here would pull the trigger on the deer in the picture? right, none of us.

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from ENO wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

jay,

You're talking a foreign language that very few people understand. It's called "Simple Logic".

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from seadog wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

The billboard is obscene. Using a spotted fawn and a semi-auto handgun goes way beyond misleading--it's outrageous.

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from babsfish4life wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Now that these freaks lost the battle with the wolves in the rocky mountains they are off to Kansas. I'm just glad there gone from my state, heard they could really use environmentalists in Antarctica. I think the deer hunts are unregulated there, killing fawns with howitzers and everything. I would donate a slow leaking canoe to the effort.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

CarolineTC: 1st of All GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!
This billboard is NOT a real representation of hunters!
NOT all hunters bait or grow food plots.
Not all hunters go out in the woods with camera crews and hi five each other in a treestand.
Most hunters try to make a kill as clean and humane as possible.
Stop watchin the idiot box obviuosly it's affecting you.
You must hang out with your PETS, HSUS and ASPCA buddies and dream up all kinds of lies and misguided BS.
Why don't you take a Hunters education course, read up on bovine tb, anthrax, hoof and mouth, cwd, mad cow disease and herd starvation.
Let me guess you've never watched the discovery channel and seen crocs gators, hyenas, wolves or lions make a kill or turtles or predatory fish like pike, sharks etc. Those animals they kill die while being consumed, they die from shock and blood loss while the animal is eating them ALIVE! but in your eyes that's just nature and its humane for them to do it. But a man or woman putting an arrow or bullet in the heart, lung(s) or brains of and animal ensuring a quick and humane as possible kill is unethical.
Let me guess you've never been to a slaughter house either? But you wear leather, carry a leather purse, use makeup, and I'll bet you eat fish, crustaceans (shrimp, crab, lobster), beef, pork and or chicken and of course eggs.
What a hypacrite you are! You judge us yet you wont take a hard look in the mirror.

You ever see a deer or any animal starving?
You ever see an animal get hit by a car?
Let me guess you tend to close your eyes and pretend it's not there.
Get off your high horse and do some real research. Alot has changed since the 1970's.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Not that it will matter, but I will give you a straight answer. Wildlife management is not just about numbers. The goal of wildlife management is a stable and healthy population. Can we get off deer just for a second and look snow geese? The population of snow geese has exploded to the point that liberal bag limits and long seasons are now in place to reduce that population. Animal numbers in nature are regulated by disease and starvation in addition to predation. If snow goose hunting were banned tomorrow, the population would be curbed eventually by a massive die-off of the species.

Now, back to deer. People seek to increase the size and number of deer on hunting properties managed for deer hunting. This does not impact the population of your state's deer herd nearly as much as other factors such as human population density and agricultural practices. Hunters want to take healthy animals and leave a sufficient population of healthy animals to ensure a good harvest for the future. You won’t agree with me here, but animals are a resource.

Many people who hunt like to take “trophy” animals. I’m more of a meat hunter myself, but to each his or her own. I have no problem with someone who wants to take a world-class animal, and you wouldn’t either if you understood how many immature animals or others that just don’t “measure up” that hunter will have to pass up in order take (and you may substitute kill if you like, the terminology makes no difference) that ideal specimen. You can’t shoot the first doe you see and think that an 8-point is going to come trotting out right behind her to see what that loud noise was. I’m fine with holding out for a “stud” as you call them, so long as there is already a doe or two in my freezer to last my family until the next season. Before that, if it’s brown, it’s down. I didn’t come up with that one, but you can quote me if you like.

Finally, let’s address what’s really bugging you. When I take, kill, slaughter, again whatever term you like is fine, an animal, I am really happy. I enjoy it. I am thankful to have food for the table, and I snap a few photos so I can show my friends what a fine specimen I have taken. I usually substitute a handshake for the high-five, but a 75-pound doe merits the same fanfare to me as a “hoss” buck because I have accomplished what I set out to do. True, I have cut off the rest of that animal’s natural lifespan, but why should coyotes and buzzards eat better than me? Do you believe those other species eat meat only because they don’t know any better?

You are entitled to your own beliefs and to live your life as you see fit, but you don’t extend that same courtesy to others. You want instead to impose your will. I don’t spend my time on the PETA site, and I don’t berate my vegetarian and vegan friends. They have the good sense and decency to realize that what I do in hunting game is moral, ethical, and right although they choose not to do it.

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from streack wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

In the video the one guy is talking about a compensatory rebound effect...Is this something I have never heard of or is that guy just full of crap?

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from huskerguy wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

How about putting up a billboard of what to many deer in an area can do to you and your vehical.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

What if that deer population got CWD or other diseases? Would that be OK with the anti's?

If 'compensatory rebound effect' really exists, why is it when you do a search on it you don't see a definition, you keep seeing the phrase in some anti-blog or site devoted to their cause. If it does exist and work like they say wouldn't this be the biggest boon to deer herd management ever? Why have we never heard Dr. Karl Miller talk about this? He's the most knowledgeable person on deer I know of.

This looks like another example of 'not in my back yard' to me.

If the deer were allowed to populate to max level uncontrolled, then you get the extreme effect the overpopulated herd has on that environment. In other words there's that much less for all the other creatures in the ecosystem. Then their populations take a hit. Are the anti's taking that into account? I doubt it.

We're back to trying to rationally approach and reason with people that are not reasonable.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Very typical of the anti's... Never let the TRUTH get in the way.
I thought Kansas City was full of meat eaters. Note to self, where not to visit

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from uplander12 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I live in the KC area and actually heard one lady claim that the deer would rather get CWD than die a slow painful death at the hands of an archer who may or may not be able to execute an ethical kill shot. these people are out of touch with reality. the swift death at the hands of a sportsman would beat wasting away with disease any day. maybe if we name a disease after them (swine flu, mad cow, bird flu, etc.) people will want them out of their way ASAP.

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Compensatory Rebound Effect is completely made up. When you thin a herd, the deer don't magically start reproducing 4 times a year to fill in the gaps.. What is real, is the Chronic Wasting Disease Effect. Where too many deer spread disease like wildefire and they die.. Perhaps all of the anti's should get to look at deer that suffer through CWD as opposed to a clean kill. There is simply no logic running through these people's heads.. As you can see with their billboard killing bambi with a 1911. It's pathetic they still get any acknowlegdement by the media..

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I think its kinda comical, that billboard in Kansas City, If that was a angus calf instead of the fawn they'd all be saying MMMM Veal!!!! Hey hows the wolf hunts going? How come no more coverage on them???

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I goggled Compensatory Rebound Effect or (CRE)

http://www.all-creatures.org/hope/deer-20080107.htm

Just check out this website. I think I'm gonna puke.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I live 10 miles from the park and have been there many times. You wouldn't believe the number of deer. There is a browse line everywhere you look.
Last night on the local news they covered a meeting of the park board. Lots of idiots showed up to protest and one rather effiminate looking young man was thrown out. It was mostly young women. One even had red paint all over her face and neck. Guess it was supposed to look like blood. Anything the loons come up with is covered by the local state run media.
The approved plan is to have sharpshooters take out a percentage of the herd then allow bowhunters in. That of course is bassackwards to what it should be. The shooting will educate the deer and make bowhunting more difficult.

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from Fruguy101 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Here's what we should do. Gather up all the anti hunting fanatics and put them in a building. Only let them breed with each other. then, after a decade or so of inbreeding, open up the building and see what the effects have been.

I guess these people have never heard of genetics. It is common sense that deer that are allowed to overpopulate any area eventually inbreed until disease and deformation start occurring regularly. Wildlife biologists will agree that effective deer management requires killing a certain number of deer every year.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Ms. Caroline TC,
Respectfully,

QDM didn't make the park, or the city habitat that these deer are occupying. Why don't you heap some blame on the urban sprawl and people feeding the deer, and the uncontrolled population circumstances. Better yet lets call in a nuke strike and take out the whole town. Problem solved.

OK you see my last statement was not logical. Likewise you are taking stuff out of context from a guide for a different wildlife setting and trying to tie this circumstance to it -NOT LOGICAL EITHER.

You are yapping about the problem. Why don't you put forward a SOLUTION to the problem. Nobody here on this thread created or wanted this problem. What is the cost of your solution? You have already assumed we all have no heart and are thugs. I think everyone here is about solving it (the problem).

How about instead of spending money on billboards STFU and DO SOMETHING. It sure sounds like to me you think this problem should be solved by....somebody else besides yourself.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Reality Math Lesson #1:

Around here a billboard like that(in a high traffic area) costs about $3500/mo. with a 12 month contract plus artwork/setup cost. I bet one in KC costs a bit more than that....

OK math lesson:
12x 3500= um....carry the 1..... that's $42000. Add another $1000 for art/setup....$43,000

Y'all spent $43K (minimum) on trying to make hunters out to be killers, when that kind of money could have gone to feed hungry people (or do other worthy things) and would do immense amounts of good. You have no moral leg to stand on. You can't even feed human beings much less deal with deer in the park.

What have you to say for yourselves? You'd rather people starve than deer? Go get back in your Subaru with the rainbow sticker and dreamcatcher on the rear- view-mirror and drive your sorry keesters back to Shametown.

When you develop a logical argument that is fact-based we can chat again. You are dismissed. Go play in the park with the deer.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I don't kill for trophies I kill to eat. BTW It does taste better than beef

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Can't you give us ONE project or act of kindness you have participated in that made a positive difference in an animal or person's life? Please tell us of it in one paragraph.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

to:vegan

You have recycled your talking points so much they are worn out and have no value anymore.

You even recycled a large part of your last post from a previous one, which leads me to believe that you are a master of cut-and-paste. Your spelling and grammar is inferior if not downright 2nd grade, so the more complex stuff you are pulling from somewhere, hence your change of language.

You have never answered about my questions on the guns and you have contradicted your religious statements by mixing different beliefs.

All you have done for me is affirmed the beliefs I already have. I am stronger in my beliefs (especially on hunting) because of you, so thank you for that.
That's not working the way you want it to, now is it?

For that matter, I don't know of a single soul on here who has been swayed by your BS one single bit.

Since it's OK for you to repeat yourself, I'll start doing it myself. Here's THE questions you dodged bigger than Dallas. How about answer them honestly?

"Tell us one thing, one PROJECT, one good deed you have done. You can't, because your group is based on the protest of something, not the solving of problems."

"You need to either embrace the guns or throw them away.
No sitting on the fence for you. How can you honestly face your other vegans/animal rights activists?"

86ram's series of questions cut to the heart of it:

"What have you done for your fellow man?
What have you done to improve wildlife habitat?
What have you done to help the hungry, the poor?
What have you done to help nature?"

Cut-and-paste your way out of all those....

Oh and BTW, I was wrong on the billboard rate. It was higher. Try $5000/mo. Since they have taken it down, they either sold out their contract on it or they failed to pay on it. Or, it could have been for a shorter term but would have been more $$$ per mo. plus setup. Any way you look at that they are OK with spending money on hyping themselves and a cause but not OK with actually doing anything. That is a lot of $$$ that could have done many good things. It did nothing.

Haven't heard back on your non-profit 503c status and req's. Will post that ASAP when I get it.

How 'bout in the meantime have your Dear Leader spar with us some. Or is he too busy being a ninja and playing with (spanking) his monkey? ROTFLMAO

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

if you are giving yourself ulcers and gall stones from worrying about the animals we kill you only have yourself to blame... i sleep like a baby. i would never criticize a bowhunter, knowing the skill it takes to get that close to a deer- but for me personally i was not going to try because i didn't like the idea of letting something bleed to death... but jasimine/caroline has almost convinced me to pick up a bow and try it for myself. if i do i'll be sure to look you up, caroline, with pics and descriptions... knowing you will lose sleep and worry yourself sick will make the pain and suffering of the deer all worth it. if you give me your address i'll send you my special vegan chili... i added meat to make it taste good.

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from ENO wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Don't get me started. Something similiar happened at a city owned property less than a block from my house. I woke up one morning to police cars and news reporters on the street right outside my front door. The hunt went on but not enough deer were removed. There were a half a dozen real nice bucks and one true trophy. Long story short the local activists found what they thought was a great way to save the deer. Some guy volunteered to capture the deer and release them in his private "nature preserve". The guy came and captured the deer. But according to the local newspaper his "nature preserve" turned out to be a high fence, pay for your trophy, hunting operation. Sweet justice. The local activists have been pretty quiet since then.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

If a wildlife biologist say there are 8 txs more deer on the land than it can hold and they need to be culled, where's the agruement?

It's a shame they are limiting the hunters to off duty police officers.

As for the arguement presented by the anti's. I haven't a clue what that guy was talking about. Compensatory?

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from MLH wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Would they have the same response if those were feral pigs in their parks and back yards? Well, maybe ... would probably claim they have higher mental abilities than dogs and try to set up an adoption campaign. Completely out of touch with nature.

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from nanaac00 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

bad publicity for KC

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from nanaac00 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

because we all walk around toting pistols, blasting fawns

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from Levi Banks wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I live a little east of KC in Columbia, MO and the city has a program where they open up city property and parks to bowhunting for deer. There has been some opposition, but not a lot of problems with antis as far as I can tell. It is however off-limits to shoot albino deer, there is definitely population of them around town, because some people got really worked up about it.

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from BarkinSpider wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

So much for truth in advertising.

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from Newenglandcharters wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a semi auto pistol of suffuicent caliber for deer hunting.

Just about any cartidge that starts with .4 will do with the proper bullett and powder.

I would use a .45ACP +P with corbond jacketed hollow point or solid bullett for maximum shock. of course a Semi Auto with .357 mag or .44 mag will also work just fine. The deer wont know the differance if it came from a revolver or semiauto.

of course if all the deer are Bar-B-Que size like the one in the Billboard I would just bring them home to grain feed for anouther year.

Lots of people hunt with handguns. Its all about shot placement and is actually safer in an urban enviorment than using a high powered rifle.

Capt Walt

Master Maine Guide

Newenglandcharters@maine.rr.com

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

buckhunter I'm dry heaving right there with you.. what a joke.. in that article they claim they have proved the CRE, as well as proved that the city of Pepper Pike is on a mission to endlessly kill all of the animals. There are two enormous faults in both of those claims. 1st, their proof of CRE. Note how from the time the city culled off the population from 31/sq. mi. to 19/sq. mi. a year passes in their records before cull #2. According to their CRE claim, the population would then be right back up to 31 (OR EVEN HIGHER!!) Not so much. The next year, they are still going after the 19 to try and get it down to their 13 mark they originally set out. The first cull killed off 133 deer (falling short of their mark) so the next year the mayor calls out for a quota of 45. These morons of opponents to the cull don't even have numbers to see if they met the quota and they just complain they're killing endlessly. Long story short they throw out all this fact based info that they're going to use to prove there is so much wrong being done, and in the end they trail off, forgetting what they were complaining about, don't provide any hard fast results, and just say they were right all along and everyone should hate the people involved.. STUPIDITY!!

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from jay wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Newenglandcharters, I agree a .45 would do the job out to about 30 yards assuming someone can shoot it that accurately. I myself shoot a smith 629 .44mag with a 8inch barrel and can shoot 4x's the groups as my best shooting semi auto (beretta 92). My point was they could have shown a bow, bolt action rifle or shotgun which are far and above more popular choices than a semi-auto pistol for deer. They pictured that pistol because many uniformed folks would associate that kind of weapon with gang banging cop killing thugs.

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from Messer11 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

How dumb can people get? People want to tolerate everything nowadays, but when it comes to hunting we shouldn't get any rights, according to them.

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from ranger2 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

So many good thoughts... I guess what this comes down to is that a significant portion of Americans have contracted a case of terminal stupidity.
It must be contageous amongst urban dwelling people that have nothing truly important to focus their time and energy on.
Perhaps awareness should be drawn to the fact that millions of children in the United States go to bed each night with not enough food in their stomachs, let alone the number in other countries around the world. Maybe someone could convince these chronically ignorant louts that if we harvest some deer, we can keep the deer herds from starving to death and donate a good portion of the venison to feed underpriveleged families.
But "stupid is as stupid does," Forrest Gump would put it like that, I think...

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from horseman308 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

There was a similar problem at a park in Columbus when I lived there. A large park (several hundred acres) that was completely fenced and surrounded on all sides by freeway and housing developments had started out as a great little isolated habitat. After several years, though, the herd became too large for the habitat to support and there was no way for them to get out. There was a proposal to allow very limited permits to bowhunters to cull the deer. With the outcry of anti's, it never happened (at least not that I know of). Apparently, they were more willing to see them starve to death or spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to try and trap some of them.

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from dave the bowhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

dont these lettuce eaters know that lettuce has a heart

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from dave the bowhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

i think if we stop the slaughter of all garden plants then the antis would starve to death there self ,now that sounds like a idea to me...

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

The anti's not likely to come to a logical conclusion because they are already at their own FUBAR logical conclusion. I'm pretty sure most of the people have no idea what animals in the wild are really like. There are probably a few, but most are part of the group and have bought into their own groupthink. Since that is the only view they are open to it just gets reinforced that much more.

We're perceived as 'snuffing out Bambi and Thumper' so we have no credibility in their eyes.

FWIW the gun on the billboard looks like someone grafted a Beretta triggerguard onto a 1911 - just some dumb clipart from somewhere.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I just looked at the link that buckhunter provided, and its kinda of sad that these people think that they are in the right. I looked at some of their other post and in one they have pics of starving deer, now why is it that these fools think it is okay for them to starve to death rather than a hunter makeing a quick and humane kill. Do they actually like watching animals suffer. Hell I could go on for days about some of the crap I saw on that sight makes me sick. All I can say is I think that they are dip!@#$%. Sorry for the rant

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from waterdrinker9 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

How many people on here hunt with a semi-auto handgun on a regular basis. Putting the handgun on the billboard shows how dumb the anti-hunters are.

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from huntenthusiest wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Just think of the long rut season they'll have when these deer compensate for the loss.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Give them a year or two when the deer population explodes, cars start hitting deer and causing fatal accidents, parasites and damage to property costing countless of thousands of dollars to the community.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

caroline, consider this, we humans have survived through 6 major extinction events throughout time. supervolcanoes and meteorstrikes etc. all destroying bout 95% of all life on this planet, creating immense duststorms in the atmosphere in some cases that would block out sunlight for years. in those cases all plantlife died. only the seeds lived to replenish the earth when the dust settled, and what do u think your ancient ancestors ate then when waiting for the dust to settle?? the only available food to them at the time. meat! All living humans today r alive cos our ancestors ate meat to survive, and so would u if u wanted to live in such a situation..
So get off your moral high horse and get real..
peace;)

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

One more thing I do eat deer meat, squirrel, rabbit, bear, beef, pork, chicken and more. Now I was suggesting that we take care of the people who need to be taken care of i.e the hungry, the homeless and to cut cost in schools. If it were used in schools you hypocrite it would be tested for all the potential sdiseases out there. You have more of a chance of contracting e coli or salmonella from the groceries (meats and veggies) in stores right now than CWD from deer meat. So you just go on beiving in your fairy tales with your PETA, HSUS and ASPCA buddies.
Don't come crawlin to me to feed your sorry butt when the grociery stores fail health inspections and you are starvin while im enjoyin some brunswick stew with deer meat or some rabbit with my home grown salad.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I've actually seen does with triplets have you caroline? have you ever watched a deer in the woods, herard a buck snort, weaze or grunt or even rub a tree? Have you ever seen one use a lickin stick? have you ever walked up on a bedded buck? Have you ever listened to a squirrel bark and watched them play or run up and down trees? Have you ever had a deer walk up on you? Have you ever had a squirrel eating acorns on a limb right next to you in a tree? have you had a hawk fly overhead while walkin thru the woods? Have you heard wild boar rooting in the woods? Have you been close enough to touch a moose?
Have you watched a covey of quail? Have you ever watched turkey or grouse strut and strum? Have you called in a quail, deer or anything other than an pizza? Do you even know what I'm talking about?
I have. I've also helped improve wildlife habitat by planting trees, native berry plants, and built bird houses and supporting the NWTF, Ducks Unlimited and other conservation programs. My tax dollars license fees and time go into wildlife habitat improvement and protection.
I've turned in personnel with guns that shot out of their vehicle. I've helped farmers who were suffering from crop damage by deer. Crops meant to feed people like you that are dependant on everyone else. Crops that are used to make pet foods, makeups, oils, soy milk etc.

HAVE YOU ? What have you done for your fellow man/woman?

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline people like you are what's wrong with this country. You're selfish and dependant on others and let misguided ideals and altered facts from organizations that like you are dependant on others yet won't lift a hand to help anyone else. These organizations do their thinking for you and you utter their sludge thru your pie hole. That's a shame you seem like an educated person
with alot more to learn.

Anyone else agree or disagree?

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

BTW caroline you're a contributing factor to these deer and their current situation:
How you might ask. I'm guessing you live in the city or subburbs? How many acres of land was deforrested to make room for you and your city friends? How much shore line on a river, stream, ocean or other water source was impacted by your metropolis? How many species of wildlife went extinct in your area (city limits)? How many were pushed out into highways to be hit by cars? How many were pushed out into larger groups to spread diseases they weren't immune to? How many? How much sewer sludge from your city/subburb flows into streams, rivers and eventually to the ocean doing far greater damage than one hunter? Because your city affects every man woman child, animal plant and water source.

You like facts those are facts. You want truth that's a truth, You want more keep comin up with your nonsense

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

CarolineTC
You must be the most ignorant person I have ever seen babble. Youtube is not a source of truth!! I have been to packing houses more than once, and my grandparents own a private locker. I am a rancher, hunter, ag specialist, and conservationist. I have learned from life, school and commen sense. It is human nature to eat the best tasting food, which is meat. You don't have to eat meat but I do. Take your bs and try telling someone else what to do. I hunt deer, antelope, pheasant, grouse and elk. I eat them all, and I shoot more than just males. I am a trophy hunter, but everything I take is a trophy to me whether it is an mature doe, or buck. I make my living with agriculture as I raise wheat and cattle. I can tell you right now that if everyone only ate the way vegans do there would be a lot less food to go around. There wouldn't be enough for everyone and more people would go hungry. You will argue that the ground that we use for animals could be used for vegetables and other plant crops for human consumption, but you would be wrong. Most of our ground that is pasture is pasture because it can't be farmed. You are unethical in your opinions, and are drinking too much liberal coolaid. Go eat your rice patty and be grateful you have food to eat.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline you are truly misguided. look up the definition of conservation I won't do it for you. My definition of conservation is alot different than yours apparently. If it werent for us Hunters there'd be no national parks, bison, elk, deer or other animals. The waters would be void of life because of consumer leaches such as yourself that expect others to do the dirty work and take the heat would destroy it or put the animals in zoos.

Food salvage program lady have you ever heard of the program Hunters for the hungry? Or that organizations like NWTF doing food drives for the needy and donating turkeys and other foods to the needy and food pantries?

Have you seen the surplus food we send overseas? Food that could be used here? You start a program. Quit tellin us to do somethin you take the initiative and quit relying on other while you b**** and wine about your issue with hunting. Help somebody else for a change.
I help people everyday or atleast try to.

I don't do anything for the benefit of killing.

I've been to a slaughter house yes ma'am and smoke houses too. I've butchered animals to include chicken, moose and helped with hogs

I've seen animals suffer too. I've seen people suffer too. Ive seen emaciated deer in some of the worst drought consditions the south had seen in yrs.

Let me guess you don't believe man was born naked and the first things used to cloth man was an animal hide.

You think that its amusing to kill somethin I hope you never see what i've seen there is nothing amusing about killing something I told you i dont take pleasure in killing But I hunt and I do eat what i kill.and I'm not a trophy hunter either.

Apparently you closed minded hypocrite you didn't read what I posted that or you didn't fully understand it.

You go to a third world country they slaughter animals by cutting their throats.
You truly are a self rightous crackpot. You can't stand to see suffering and death and yet you perpetuate it with your stupid bill boards and cities. Hunter education is about more than hunting its about taking responsibility for your actions and that everything you do has a cause and affect.

Let me guess you'd spit on Soldiers too cause the war is wrong and causes unnecessary suffering. Well lady I'm a Soldier so just try it. Say somethin else about suffering cause let me tell you somethin unless you've been where I've been or to Walter Reed or a VA hospital you haven't seen or dealt with sh**! So once again get off you moral high horse.

What you see on tv and the discovery channel as far as the wildlife (predator vs prey)you know they sanitize that for people like you right? so you don't see everything wolves, coyotes, lions, bear etc do.

If you read anything before you started harping you would see that as a hunter I do what i can to make it a clean humane kill, I don't have to wait like on the idiot box. Another thing I enjoy being outdoors and i don't always kill something.

And another thing don't you ever think that everyone out there hunting does not have a conscience. Because you are wrong. I'm done discussing this with you because it goes in one ear and out the other. It's like beating a dead horse. If you are so deadset in thinking what you think than you will continue to do so ignorantly. We listened to your nonsense and distorted facts you wont even consider taking a hunters education course or looking into NWTF or Duck Unlimited or or conservation programs.and gettin better facts. These groups don't harp on the kill. They talk about and preserve forrests, wetlands, waterways, and so much more and of course all wildlife not just the ones that are hunted. But you're closed minded and still dependant on others to do your thinking.

BTW your facts once again are wrong We dont use rendered animal parts in feed for wildlife. Mad cow disease came from man feeding cows to cows. Man supplemented livestock (bovine, swine, poultry)feed with animal by products.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Carolinetc your an ignorant person.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I roll my eyes at rediculous idealogues like your CarolineTC. you think everyone who hunts is a billybod idiot and we must not have any heart because we hunt animals. You are probably the type person who could care less about abortion, but if someone eats a deer they are a criminal and should be sent to jail. Your mindless thoughts are so screwed around that I wonder how you remember how to breath. Go ahead and lol at me as it doens't matter much what a simplistic woman like you thinks of me or my kind. I have a life that I will die for if I have to, and your delusional comments and thoughts have no and will never have any bearing on. Tommorrow I will shoot a praire dog for your honor maybe a dozen. good day brainiac.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

enjoying the free speech, caroline? tell your alf and peta buddys about it...explain it in short and easy to understand language. why dont you go take your unregulated compassion to animals that are truly endangered and could actually use your misplaced energy, like the giant pandas or the detroit lions?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

To: Silly vegan woman (if you really are even a woman)

Why don't you tag out and send in someone with the real A GAME?????? Your comments and ramblings are probably boring even to your cohorts. They are for sure drier than a popcorn fart to me. If you had the brain power to condense and sharpen your arguments, and form a cohesive thought (instead of regurgitating a publication or a website out of context) you would gain at least a small amount of respect from myself and others here.

Speak whats in that little vegan heart of yours and drop the talking points. You will instantly sound 3x more intelligent, if not more honest.

You are probably making copies of all these exchanges so that you can prove to each other how truly barbaric we are. I doubt if there are that many of you who are true hard-core kool-aid drinkers. Most, if not some are just hangers-on. I would wager that you have some folks at some college you have recruited and a few other folks that are sympathetic to your group. You are probably more of a social group than you are an actual organization that does something. I'd even bet that the vegan/animal rights/karma/wicca/tofu/whatever fest y'all have is just an excuse for socializing. You need a cause to unite, if you even are that united. Hate for the barbarians is more of a focal point than the deer in the park. I would bet the deed to my family's farm that those deer will never see an improvement of their circumstances from any of your (or your group's) actions.

We, as sportsmen & sportswomen, have a track record and can show results where animals have been brought back, populations strengthened, and habitats improved. Those are indisputable facts.

Show us some of your results. Not talking points. Not bluster. Pure results.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

and if u seriously think we r unfeeling barbarians, then read T.W. Davidson`s tale about his dog on http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2009/09/when-good-dogs-die ..
And if u dont fell a tear about his story, then u r aan unfeeling biatch and need never post here again cos the support im sure to get from my fellow hunters is gonna get u banned from this site alltogether!! in all my workings with people of all kinds only hunters in general have a preservationist attitude towards our natural habitat no matter what.. we do want to teach our grandchildren to hunt and for them to be able to teach theire grandchildren to hunt in the same biosphere as us.. so why the hell would we eradicate any species that inhabits that habitat?? we wanna preserve it in spite of human needs and political and econiomical development.. its cos of hunters that there actually exist nature preserves.. not cos of u vegan PETA extremists..

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

And if u still feel like arguing then visit this link and come back and give me your personal info:P
http://www.visit-x.net/CAMS/DE/specials/Rammstein.html?track=Index

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

to the vegan person/persons it may concern:

Nobody here is related to monkeys. Nobody here gives a s#!+ about the feelings of vegetables.

Most of the public lands where we hunt are just that - PUBLIC lands. Our licenses, fees, taxes and permits raise money for local, state, and federal projects. Show us your results or STFU. As for the hiking & use there are places where our $$$ have gone to use but we can't hunt on them. You may hike and frolic there.

Wishing for people to become sick from eating meat doesn't do your cause any good either. I think you are alienating people by making statements like that. Then again you were doing well enough alienating without the 'die from meat' comments.

RESULTS or nothing.....so far you have shown nothing.
There is no argument for that. You can quote,steal, plagiarize, or hotlink anything you want. It is your ACTIONS that define you. Show us one of your(done with your own resources) projects that has netted real calculative results that has helped animals. So far your billboard has defined you. I think we established the folly of that.

Folly driven by hate and selfishness.

"Ramble On" is a great Led Zeppelin song but your rambling arguments don't cut it. Show all of us a clear, concise, one paragraph reason for us to drop our bows & guns and we'll do it. You can't do it. Otherwise what you're doing is wasting bandwidth.

I will borrow WA Mtnhntr's saying now -

DON'T LET THE CYBER-SCREEN DOOR HIT YA WHERE THE GOOD LORD SPLIT YA!!!!!!!!!!

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Let's recap, shall we?

billboard- that makes you a problem, not a solution in my eyes. Money spent for a petty purpose. Shameful. Deer still in the park w/situation unchanged

You haven't shown any of us s#!+ from shineola about any projects where you have actually made the lives of something or somebody better.

86Ram summed it up better than I could ever with his four very straightforward points. You haven't, or can't, or won't address those. Lame.

The way I see it you should go back to licking box or playing with your ouija board or worshiping your flora and fauna gods or whatever you do. Practice up on those mad wicca skillz and save those deer. Put a hex on all the bad hunters. Save the world while you're at it.
Don't forget to twitter about all of us bad people over here at F&S.

Get a life while you're at it.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

CarolineTC instead of giving us the usual liberal talking points how about giving us some... heck make it just one example of ALF, Peta, Hsus etc doing anything to establish refuges or parks for animals to live on. You can't because there are none. Those groups are all about imposing the will of their leaders on the rest of the American people while fattening their own bank accounts. As one of their supporters you are nothing but what Lenin called a Useful idiot (or was it Marx).

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

She posted," Jesus also believed in Karma and the hunters will get theirs" in the text of the picture of Jesus with a buck.

She's as crazy as a run-over dog.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

'wildlife serial killer'... ok, i'll own that. i've killed and i plan to kill again. i'm like the dahmer of deer. i eat what i kill and i keep their body parts in my freezer to be enjoyed later. hey caroline... my prey tastes good. like david berkowitz said...'i didn't want to hurt them, i just wanted to kill them.'
copy and paste that for your freak friends.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

As I posted in response to the picture, Jesus spent most of his time hanging out with fishermen from what I read, and it sure wasn't catch and release fishing. You can annoy us all you like, CarolineTC, but when you start adding to or taking away from scripture, you are walking the wrong path.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

We could always use her stuff to recruit the next generation of hunters. Anyone reading that drivel would not want to be associated with her in any way.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I should have signed that last post: "The Armchair Outfitter, another pawn of the vast deer conspiracy."

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Armchair: She's lost. And her type of insanity unfortunately is catching.
Where do these people get off. We provide proof and facts. We endure their insults and yet they persist in antagonizing us. When are they going to learn Hunters for now are not going anywhere and that we actually benefit wildlife and their habitat.
Anyways, my last post to her is my last post. She hasn't proven anything and I think she's up to no good but with a different approach.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

jay,
Your correct none of us would shoot Bambi but that is the mindset of anti's.
Concerning semi-auto's, yes Missouri allows using them for deer. For most, the weapon of choice is the 10mm Glock.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline TC (or whoever you are)

FAIL

The question wasn't supposed to be answered with a question. It could be real simple like, "I helped an old lady across the street" or even "I paid my overdue library fines".

You still don't get it. Talking is not doing. Putting up a billboard is not doing. Having a website where your people give you instructions how to resist arrest by federal agents and how to be 'animal anarchists' doesn't qualify as doing good in anyone sane's mind.

Folks here's the link to their outfit or one of 'em anyway:

http://biteclubkc.wordpress.com/

here's their fearless anarchist leader, Jason Miller:

http://www.myspace.com/anarchovegan

What a lovely person.

Page through their site and see what they are like.
Caroline (thats not your real name), I dare you to prove us here wrong.

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

CarolineTC,
If your such an animal saver then why arent you outthere doing somthing about it? #1 you wont stop hunting. so stop trying.
#2. get a life and stop hiding behind your keyboard.
#3. we here on F&S are born hunters. we are not going to stop because you gave some facts that are probably blown out of poportion.
#4. I am a hunter. i help wildlife populations by KILLING animals. thats right, i didnt hide behind big words. I hunt animals to kill them. do something about it

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Ok folks, looks like they are trying to tag in/out just like I said.

Here's the link to their message board. (Caution: If you want to post there I would get a new email acct. so they don't send crap back to a useful current email acct. you already have. There are already hunters from KC posting on there. It would be smart to make sure your antivirus & firewall programs are active & up to date on your computer.)

My philosophy: If they are going to crap on our site, do unto others if you feel the urge.......

LINK:

http://biteclubkc.wordpress.com/about/

Here's the lovely CarolineTC's myspace page. You may want to visit her and tell her how lovely she is or maybe check out her artwork and videos :

http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=biteclubkc.wordpress.com&url=...

I'm working on finding YOU too, Jasmine T........

I have friends in KS and MO, and am working on finding out more about these wonderful folks. I already have a possible line on their billboard deal. I have a hunch a surgeon was who actually footed the bill. I think he is money man or at least a big contributor. Working on that lead.

As soon as business opens Mon. I will get the billboard ad rates for that billboard location in KC and post them. I could be wrong about my guess on an earlier post but I doubt it.

I am also looking into verification of their supposed 503c non-profit status. I think some of the things they are doing and saying may constitute violation of non-profit.

Have that question already in to a lawyer buddy of mine.
As soon as I have results there will post.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

how many times do we have to answer your q.#2 before you stfu about it? i have considered answering your question many times, but i thought it was well answered by 86ram and others.
let me try a way you can understand... you know how obama wants to 'spread the wealth around, because there is only a limited amount of wealth in the world'? (settle down folks- i'm trying to speak their language...)
the same thing applies to a deer population... there is a limited amount of good deer food in a given area - the more deer that are there, the less good food each one gets. more good food per deer yields healthier deer bigger and stronger buck racks and all the things that hunters are looking for... therefore a lesser than average population is preferable to the trophy and food hunters, not to mention the farmers. this is why we conserve nature rather than preserve. as for the human bodies... go check your basement, your other personalities might have gone out of control last night. if you are still confused... go google yourself.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

First of all there's no stalking going on, Jasmine.
Except for all the bowhunters that have bow/primitive weapons season open right now...........................

I kill me. I'll be appearing here all week.

Ms. Jasmine T,

Why is it OK for you and your group to come here to our little world and threaten us??????????

Don't answer that! - Let's talk about ALF, shall we?

Found out today that they are on a list of domestic terrorists with HOMELAND SECURITY. Ok so you're on THEIR radar. They are considered a for-real no-s#!+ terrorist organization right there with the Al Qaeda sleeper cells that they are working on rooting out now as we speak. Better take those library books back.....

But to get on the Southern Poverty Law Center's list, you have to really reach. You must have messed with someone down South here......baaaaaaaaaaad idea.
Them good ole boys......wait, that's ME.

For those of you who don't know, ALF is to Peta and Vegans what the ALL-STAR team is to whatever sports you may follow. These are the folks that break & burn stuff and do bad things. Jasmine T here is not one of those folks; she's just a drone and a mouthpiece for one of these folks. Irritating folks like us is sort of a rite-of-passage for folks like her.

Vegan #1: What did you do today???
Vegan #2: I made a new batch of tofu and I blogged. Oh did you hear Jasmine is doing battle with FIELD and STREAM??? WoW you go girl!!!! Those hunters...make...make me cry....(sobbing)..B@STARDS!!!!!

Here's somebody who is a REAL self-avowed anarchist:

Here he is (trumpet fanfare) - JASON MILLER -animal rights ninja!!!!!!!!!!!(studio applause)

Here's a pic:
http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/42924/2295212770101688296S200x200Q85.j...

Here's my favorite(note this pic doesn't do any good for making him fierce but if you can have a ninja and a mokey in the same pic you must have .....super ninja powers...ROTFLOLLMAO)
http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/45416/2737333380101688296S200x200Q85.j...

Jason the baclava is working for you....two snaps and a twist....FIERCE ....work it work it......You rock that look. I recommend checking out the 5.11 catalog before your next shoot...........They have some hip & happening tac gear. Blue Force has really nice kit too.

This stuff is tame yet entertaining. If you go to his blog he's a different guy. He does love animals...touching. . No, wait. That didn't come out right....

ON A SERIOUS NOTE READ WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING AND HOW THEY SAY IT. THERE IS HATE HIDDEN THERE. THESE FOLKS ARE THE ONES ATTACKING OUR SITE RIGHT NOW BOTH WITH WORDS AND WITH HACKERS.

here's one last pic:http://p1.pikeo.com/images/server43/thumb/LOYH8MSF5512C5IT73MCBZL7H0Q656S6/500x400.jpg

anybody with a deer's decapitated head at home is just
sick......................................

He looks like he's reading some weird animal-rights version of Shakespere......that's just f****d up.

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from northern_mi_hunter wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Food for thought:

Dear vegans... Do you realize that the reason the Genus Homo, which we humans belong to, evolved from the simpiler primates is because we ate more meat in our diet?

The protiens and amino acids in meat is what caused our brains to evolve beyond that of other apes.

Also, if the whole world were to turn to veganism, ALL the wildlife habitat in the WORLD WOULD NEED TO BE CUT DOWN TO MAKE FARMS!!! There would be no more deer because there would be no woods... It would all be soy fields...

NO UNLESS YOU WANT ABOUT 1 BILLION PEOPLE TO DIE FROM STARVATION, I THINK YOU NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

To all vegans it may concern:

You come to our place with your beliefs and views.
You try to convince us that our way is wrong and your way is right. Can't you see all you are doing (and all you have done) is making us more resolute and justified in our own minds.

I salute you for your boldness and trying to convince us being vegan is the only way to go. I happen to be OK with you not hunting or not eating meat. That's your choice and it's OK.

You need to realize that we are not you.

I believe what I believe as far as God is concerned, but I am not here to spew, or bend anyone to my religious beliefs. We have folks here of many walks, and they haven't tried to change my mind about my faith. I respect that and I hope you will to.

I haven't seen a single person on this board change his or her mind about hunting or fishing or eating meat. I have been hunting and fishing since I was old enough to hold a rod, aim a gun, or draw a bow. My parents both hunted and fished, as their parents on both sides hunted and fished. I would take a wild guess and say that a great deal of my ancestors did too.

I have no apologies and no shame for my actions. You have quoted scripture (although some I don't recognize) and yet you (and your group) have shown me at times hate, bigotry, and hypocrisy. You (of your various groups) have violated our First Amendment rights at times and some would like to deny us our Second Amendment rights as well as our inalienable right to "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". At least that's the way I read the words our country was founded on.

You have not convinced one person here. We are not a fringe group or a bunch of mass murderers. Man has been hunting even before he scrawled pictures of himself hunting on the cave walls. Do you think we'd be here if the early hunters were unsuccessful?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

To:vegan(s)

Karma doesn't work on me cause I don't believe in it. It doesn't exist to me.

You've already proven yourself to be hypocritical and disingenuous in arguments here.

You have pulled religion into the argument to make your 'points', and at that you appear to me to be combining at least one pagan belief, and things from a text that most scholars consider historically interesting but in some ways contradictory to accepted scripture.

I won't get into theological debate since you are having to pick and choose things from different places, nay even cultures, and mixing them to form your own little convenient group of beliefs that suit your cause and your talking points. If there is logic there, I can't decipher it, and you make very little sense anyway with or without your theological 'references'.

If you want to save animals, let us show you how to support and sponsor improvement of habitats. Our methods WORK. Sending a decapitated deer head to a government meeting only plays to shock value; you are alienating more people than you are convincing. That doesn't work.

We are strong enough here to allow you to post and spew your rants. We haven't edited the blog entries. Your sites won't allow like-kind exchange. You have to come here to our site to witness free speech. Your arguments and beliefs are obviously so weak your sites won't allow free and open debate without pulling posts.
You even have to resort to hackers to try to disable our site.

Be a good little foot soldier and invite Jason Miller on here to debate us. If he can accuse us of things publicly, why not do it directly to us instead of having someone do the bidding for him.

Every time you post, we get stronger. Every time you call us mass murderers, we resolve to show more young people the great outdoors through hunting and fishing.
Every time you put up a billboard, we restore a wetland.
Every time you picket a McDonald's or a KFC, we bring back habitat and create homes for that many more animals. Every time you vandalize a business, we promote good forestry practices that do many good things. Keep doing the bad stuff; it motivates us even more.

YOU HAVE DONE SQUAT AT THE END OF THE DAY.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Like I said earlier in a post, I have pretty much decided you are delusional. You need to go get help somewhere. You are merely a bother to us like a gnat buzzing around. You make less and less sense with every post you make.

You represent poorly for your cause. I have rapidly lessening respect for it and you with every post you spew forth. Get some new talking points and develop some new strategy, and come back again when you have it honed to a fine edge. Right now it's about as sharp as a freshly-laid turd. Actually a turd would be a better argument and would be more interesting.

I don't know what is in your past but you sound like you are trying to compensate for something that you did or something that was done to you. I don't really want to know your past but you should get your issues straightened out before you cast stones against anyone else.

About the best thing I can say you have done for me is getting my typing skills to improve some. I haven't typed this much in a while and it's been good practice.

There. I ended on a positive note with sort of a complement for you. Now, do yourself a favor and get yourself laid and burn off some of that aggression and frustration you have.

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from Spywell wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

OMG these idiots in kansas city should have never been allowed a billboard.

Kansas is home to some of the largest deer in the US and WE ARE OVERPOPULATED with deer.

Every year during Rut traveling the highways towards Northwest Kansas the highways are literally blood RED and it's a 3hr trip from Wichita to Hays Ks.
The roads are littered with chunks of deer all over the highway. We are extremely overpopulated!

I have a heard of Muleys (about 35) and a heard of WhiteTails (about 37) on my farm. Thats a lot of deer!

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

to vegan(s):

"a funny thing happened on the way to the telephone...."

There was no desperation in my talking to her. My wife and this friend talk at least 3 or 4 times a week. Your BS remarks, and the actions of your group in KC prompted me to ask her a few questions. This is not the first time we've talked, since I've known her as long as I've known my wife. This isn't the first time we've talked animal rights, or about the people that run in those circles.

This is the first time however, that I have had a reason to talk to her about a group in particular (your group)since she knows who you people are. She is from Kansas, and as soon as I asked "have you ever heard of ...?" she filled in all the blanks and knew of your fearless ninja/wannabe anarchist/monkey spanking leader as well. Then she proceeded to describe your tactics, your actions, and how others in the group she runs with think you, your group, and your leader Mr.Monkey Ninja are a black eye and a detriment (this is putting it VERY MILDLY)to the 'cause'. Not my words, hers. And lots of 'em. I mostly listened, and just let her roll. I was very entertained and enlightened to say the least.

AND NOW THAT WE ARE ON THE TOPIC OF WHO IS REFUTING WHO'S BS, I think it's pretty obvious here that as you post more and more, you make your own case weaker and you give us more ammunition (pun intended) to make our arguments. Your last posts were annoyingly short. Did your right click button on your mouse fail you? Poor mouse - he was so tired..........

Your playbook assumes at some point we are just, um, maybe "dumb rednecks"???? Wait - that's supposed to be me.....but I'm not THAT dumb. Nobody here has threatened your family or vandalized your property. Wait, somebody did that stuff to one of our own members who posts regularly here.....HMMMMMMM. Do you think messing with anyone's kids is right??? Somebody did that too. We even got represented as a group of murderers on a billboard. (As an aside I was more offended as a handgun owner than I was a hunter, since I think handgun/CCW rights are a whole 'nother ball of wax.)

Gosh, that could be construed as violating someones First and Second Amendment rights.......That is just pure genius on your group's part there. I predict soon you will be protesting your legal fees more than the plight of the deer. Wait - that's possibly more money you could have spent to do good, and you're spending it with some ambulance-chasing lawyer......

That's all right. It's not your money. You are just a drone, a foot soldier, a pawn.....doing someone other person's bidding. Sure you believe what you believe. I know you do. Who really paid for that billboard?????

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

now, now... lets be nice to jasminetc. at least she's no hypocrite. i'm sure she follows her vegan religion with pharisaical veracity. i'm sure she's never owned a mouse trap, but instead uses ethical trap and release methods. i'm not sure how she figured out how to do that with cockroaches, termites and carpenter ants, but i am sure that her conscience would not allow her to hire an exterminator. perhaps she has devoted her home as a insect habitat. she gave up driving a car after the first bug that she hit. she climbed out scraped it off and gave it a proper burial, she cried for awhile and now walks everywhere. i'm not sure how she plants her herb garden for fear of cleaving sentient worms and grubs in twane... perhaps she developed a worm detector to avoid the guilt of seeing a living being writhing in pain. of course she would rather see children stung or bitten rather see a rattlesnake or a hornets nest removed from it's playground habitat. she would never buy a flea and tick collar for her cats. what am i saying? she would never own an animal, having a pet would have the connotation of a slave / owner relationship- having an animal for the entertainment value of a human is out of the question for such an honorable vegan as her. if she did keep an animal it would be for the expressed purpose of giving fleas and ticks a place to dwell. she has, undoubtedly, suppressed the natural reaction of slapping the skin when bitten by a mosquito, after all, she has come to realize that without her blood the female mosquito cannot lay her eggs. she can't use anything anti-microbial, after all, who is she to think that she is a better species than our loveable little one-celled friends? in fact those crabs she got in high school from the dude that lost a bet with his buddies have been living in peace for years, she hasn't showered since for fear of washing one down the drain- of course meaning its'certain death. i'm sure if she did involve herself in the destruction of any of these species she would try to cover her hypocrisy by claiming that 'at least she didn't enjoy or relish in the killing of these creatures' because that is the important thing to these sentient beings... the state of mind of their killer. we should instead applaud jasminetc for her devotion to her religion of veganism and her strict adherence to it. hats off to you miss j we could all learn from your example.

btw... this is what a post looks like when it wasn't pasted from another website.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Jasmine your mom should've done done the world a favor:
She should've spit, swallowed or aborted.

The same goes for all the antis moms.

GFYS and that goes for the rest of your bongwater drinkin whackjob freinds.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

Wait, you all think drinking bong water is wierd?

hahahah jk. And jasmin, you are not going to accomplish ANYTHING for animal rights or any of that bullshit. You just make all of us put an extra bullet in the next animal we shoot.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 26 weeks ago

you are the one who claimed 'Pro-life means ALL LIFE' so if you consider a mosquito to be a lower life form than a dog than, yes, you are a hypocrite- based on your own rules you are a practicer of speci-ism. if you are going to come on here and call us killers you must also don the moniker for the killings that you involve yourself in... you have set your own bar, we didn't set it for you. i have rules that i set for myself... i will not kill a coyote because i love dogs and it looks a lot like a dog i used to have. i will not kill a goose, even though they look delicious, because geese mate for life and i don't want to deprive another goose of her life-mate. i will, however shoot ducks all day, because ducks are sluts. i also like lady bugs a lot and i have never kill a praying mantis or a walking stick because they are cool bugs, but i will torch, crush, poison, and destroy roaches, ants and flies all day long. the difference is that i don't call a coyote hunter a 'dog-killer' nor do i get mad at someone who kills a goose. these are my own personal rules that i put on myself, if i were to change someone's mind about goose hunting by means of a normal conversations (the type that you have with normal people)then yippee for me, if i don't... i didn't have the conversation with the goal of changing anyone.
here's a thought for you, change your name once more, come back on here without all the name-calling and simply state that you respectivley disagree with our viewpoint... 99.9% of hunters will have a nice pleasant conversation with you. you must not know any hunters because we are the people that will help you with a flat tire or a rundown battery. we will go out of our way to help a person in need. it's ok to disagrre with us, just do it nicely or we will tell you to shut the hell up.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Another anti that does'nt have a clue of what they are talking about. I have never herd of a species that breads more to of set the loss of balance of the heard someone should tell these idots that whitetail usally have up to 3 fawns at a time which is why the over population is not a healthly situation for the deer. Culling a few deer out will not off set the heard but benifit it in the long run. Maybe I am wrong if so I could always use more education.

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from uplander12 wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

So here's the "master plan" from the fledgling radical animal rights group kc bite club. http://biteclubkc.wordpress.com/2009/09/14/slaughter/ it involves setting up a pen in 10-50 acres of the park and putting 375 deer in there and feeding the deer in the pen while sterilizing them. If 1200 acres isn't enough for 400 deer, why would 50 acres be enough for 375? ridiculous. the plan also includes setting up a viewing area and charging people to look at the deer. this "humane, cost effective plan" is equal to putting the herd in a zoo. wonder how they feel about zoos?

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from Hunt_Hard wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

This is just another one of those things that we need to let roll off of our back. This is such an exaggerated/unreal statement that this billboard is making that is is quite comical.

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from peter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

radical idiots dont know what theyre talkin about so they just put lies of someone shootin a fawn from 2 feet

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from seadog wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Hey buckhunter, thanks for the link to that fantasyland website--now I want to poke my eyes out. lol
To Newenglandcharters, like jay, I agree that it's OK to use a semi-auto handgun to hunt. This billboard deliberatly used it to create an irrational emotional effect. They don't want the viewer to think of a self-defense, law enforcement, or even a hunting weapon--they're going for executioner, gangland style. This is false advertising at it's finest.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Atleast if they're gonna put up a picture of a deer and gun they should put a rifle or shotgun and an adult deer. Once again this shows their ignorance. It's illegal to kill spotted fawns and I don't know anyone that uses a semi automatic pistol with the maximum effective range of 50 meters. I like the 3 blood spots it adds dramatic effect.

Hmmm Stop the slaughter of deer? I guess they've never seen a starving herd or animal or one ravaged with disease.
What about the crop damage from population explosion?
What about the vehicle/deer collisions if anything thats an inhumane way to go.

This is another reason wildlife / hunter education needs to be mandatory in school.

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from dave the bowhunter wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

thats how smart the antis are how many people do you see shooting a fawn as high as yours knees with spots all over it be alot of meat on that wouldnt there be now

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from Ruckweiler wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

These idiots probably think that their hamburger comes from the store. Definitely a case of arrested mental development. Sad that people this dumb are allowed to vote or breed. Let's cull them.

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from country road wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

These antis are using emotional arguments that have no basis in fact. I guess they are going to take my lawn mower away from me to "stop the slaughter" of crickets every time I crank up.

Don't you just love it when they bring God and religion into it? "Unholy and ungodly"---horseapples! I tend to think that advertising such as this will affect only those who already feel this way or those weak minded individuals at the swampy end of the liberal landscape.

It's ridiculous, but scary that there are people who believe this way. ---And they are allowed to vote and have children.

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from MOturkey wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

It will either be the Sharp shooter or the Shawnee folks in their Smart Cars, Prius, or BMW's. Either way deers will be killed. Does anyone have a pic of a small car vs a deer?

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I googled "My ass from a hole in the ground" LOL.Its a sad grasp at straws seeing that this is still going on.Cars kill way more rogue fawns then 1911's.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I think all the deer meat should be taken to either the Food banks or utilized at Shelters and Soup kitchens.
They could also offset costs of school meals by providing venison that was harvested and donated.
They should also let experienced hunters assist in the taking of the animals under a special issue management license at no cost to the hunter.

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from idahooutdoors wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Watching the deer die of starvation, vehicle collisions and disease is such a better option....our deer around town became overpopulated and then were all but wiped out a few summers ago by EHD, watching them slowly die while blood oozed from their eyes, nose, and mouths as they stumbled around in a fevered daze was so much more humane than having a depredation hunt....the smell of deer rotting around the county in August was also so much better than deer steak cooking on the grill....I see their logic...not....offer a better solution, maybe we will listen, otherwise your just part of the problem...

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I don't bait, grow a food plot, trophy hunt or think of hunting as a sport. I take offense to that ideology.
I also don't kill fawns or for pleasure.

Let me tell you one thing I go out in the woods to escape idiots. I kill to eat. I hunt because it takes my mind off things I've seen while serving my country. I enjoy watching wildlife and doing what I can to preserve and conserve it and my rights. I don't always kill when I do go out into the woods either that's just part of life.

You go on believin what you do and sittin on your couch eating animal by products not knowing where it came from if it were electricuted, stunned or whatever they do in slaughter houses these days.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I shouldn't have to tell you what a cow eats because that is commen sense, but if I must my cattle eat native grass from our native grass patures. The ground is too rough to farm so we use it with cattle. Do you need me to tell you where children come from also? If you would like to eat grama grass, Big bluestem, western wheat grass, pature thistle, cedar trees, side oats grama grass, buffalo grass, wild mustard, goldenrod, and too many other native plant species to type out I will make you up a salad right now. Personally I will eat whatever I wish and hunt whenever I want. I have ate raw meat more than once as it is better tasting that way, I do use seasonings, but I bet you do too on your salad. I don't beleive in Karma but thankyou for your worry. We castrate our calves, and I eat the mountain oyseters with a can of beer without cooking them. I eat hamburger raw about everytime I get a package out of the freezer. I eat three deer a year, two antelope, about 10 pheasants, 10 grouse, and if I get the chance, any other type of wild game possible. The first deer I ever killed my father made me take a bite out of the heart as it is a family tradition. It is my choice to eat wild animals, and if I cook them that is my business, not yours.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

caroline, u r gonna take the word of this cornbread white fatass that has never seen any animal butchered in his friggin life being annoyed for being told to avoid a hunting area where legal hunting is performed in the warning that he might be mistaken for a moose??????? in your previous statements u actually seem a little bit intelligent, seriously if u limit yourself to males feeling like this uneducated douche, then i reallyfeel sorry for your kids:P theire gonna be inbred douches and the very definition of un-intelligent. and if u r ever gonna win the fight u r set on u r gonna have to think in dousins of generations untill your side will ever ever get the upper hand, and by then enough of wildlife survival will be known to the reast to make theire survival a matter of fact and the side of this fatass white nobodies extinct!:P.. poor caroline, soo eager to support a bigger issue and too unintelligent to tell them appart:P

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

caroline get off you 4th point of contact quit ruining your brain with useless videos on youtube and the idiots creating them.. Most anti hunting whackjobs provoke hunters into the reacting like you are right now. The thing is they use it to show hunters as mindless, callous killers of bambi.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Let me ask you again Caroline:
What have you done for your fellow man?
What have you done to improve wildlife habitat?
What have you done to help the hungry, the poor?
What have you done to help nature?

Nothing you've been sitting on youtube and breaking the law by illegally feeding wildlife potentially exposing them to killer diseases and potentially creating a virus that can jump species. You Mass Murderer,
You'd rather kill them by your germs a slow prolonged agonizing viral death with which they have no immunity.

We are the humane ones here not you. We're not serial killers or out just for trophies and to kill something

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

My twisted words? MURDERER you obviously don't have a clue about anything.
It is ILLEGAL to feed WILDLIFE! So give me your home state and I'll report your a$$ and see what they have to say!
Next thing all you talk about or refer to is what you see on you tube and some organic article written by biased idiots like yourself. You're misguided about CWD and your ignorance shows. All references towards CWD, HD and other wildlife pathogens, viruses etc can be found on the net and state DNR/DGIF websites and are posted by biologist who do this for a living. They have the knowledge I chose to listen to over a raving lunatic murderer like yourself.

So what's your home state or are you scared of the DNR? You already posted your guilt and have a youtube video come on incriminate yourself some more. You city dwelling disease spreading murderer and criminal.
You destroyed their habitat, their water, their disease resistance, their fear of man. You're the pathetic one.

Wait I figured it out thanks to you newspaper referance WISCONSIN! Capital Times Madison..... Shame on you you IDIOT!

I urge all who read this to contact the wisconsin DNR and report this lunatic. Since she is in an area that has CWD and I'm sure feeding the deer there is ILLEGAL.
And as ethical law abiding citizens it is our duty to report criminal activity.

I hope they put your pic in the paper and then I'm sure you'll have another youtube video in your walk of shame!

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline if you read the CWD part of my post you would see a paragragh stating:
Please note that the Department has passed a regulation, effectiveJuly 1, 2006, making it unlawful for any person to distributefood, minerals, carrion or similar substances to feed or attract deerfrom September 1 through the first Saturday in January, both datesinclusive. This provision does not include the planting of wildlifefood plots. The risk for CWD transmission through deer urine orother biological attractants used by some deer hunters is unknown.

So again who's twisting what? Hmmm You are.... I don't cut and paste other peoples post and add to them like you. I post what I post and stand by it! Go back to your veggies with your PETA, HSUS, ASPCA, and ALF buddies..and watch your youtube videos.
Better hurry cause DNR may be at your door soon!!!!

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

You must've also once again missed my questions about what you've done for anyone / anything but yourself?

Run Caroline! Run!

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Guys:
I'm not sure if she's from Wisconsin so don't burden them with this. She's obviously misguided and out for attention by attacking us.

And that's what antis like her are good at antagonizing us into saying stuff they can try to use against us.

I did mean what I said if she is from Wisconsin and is feeding them possibly Illegally, I'll contact their DNR.
CWD and the other diseases are no joke and she may be breaking the law.

I got a little hot under the collar by her statements as well.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Troll somewhere else lawbreaker. Go listen to a lillith fair cd or something. Save some whales. Take another bong hit.

You'll yap and talk about doing stuff. Yet no action results. Youtube does not count as action. On this planet or anywhere else.

Why don't you get a paint-by-numbers set. That will calm you down and will allow you to honestly say you've accomplished something constructive.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

She posted a photo of Jesus and a deer that says she's from Michigan. click her name and check it out.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

She's using Christ to push her pure unadulterated BS.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Michigan??? I thought Michigan was known for it's pro hunters not it's loones. Either way she's a black eye on any state she lives in.

Caroline read my previous posts I've explained alot to you and you are too closed minded or just too dumb or brainwashed or a combination of all 3. You're right I get defensive because I know what I do is right and based on facts. You are attacking us for doing what's right, What we have the right to do as a part of our heritage and obligations to the wild life.

Not only that there are many other posts on here from others explaining it to you as well.

We've even given you options to include getting with your State's Biologist, Take a State Hunters Education Course, Do Research other than on youtube.

I meant what I said I will research whatever states laws you live in about feeding wildlife ant turn you in for their recommendation and them to take appropriate action.

You are no better than a poacher, Hitler. You'd rather see animals starve, get killed off by diseases you help spread by feeding them and by inbreeding due to over population, see them get hit by cars and possibly kill the occupants in the car as well.

Your facts are so misconstrude it's not even funny!
Yes you're right people have been killed hunting, not all kills are clean,houses have been shot.

You are wrong however on the scale of it. You are wrong on CWD, HD, Bovine TB, and other herd related diseases.
You are wrong about Hunters, Hunters for the Hungry, Conservation or Wildlife / Habitat, And population control.

You PETA, HSUS, ALF and other Antis did not create National Parks, WMA's or take it upon yourselves to restore wetlands, or other habitat.

You still yet again fail to answer any of my questions!
You still try to get a rise out of everyone with your nonsense.
We took the time to be patient with you and put up with your BS and freedom of speach. And we've pointed out the BS and misguided youtube and organic news bs you've been reading with actual facts.
You insult us and the DGIF/DNR, our Heritage, Our Fore Fathers and you expect me not to get defensive!
You really are a Hypocrite and an idiot!

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Taken off of Michigan DNR site:

Supplemental Feeding and Baiting of Deer and Elk is Unlawful in the Lower Peninsula of Michigan -
Offering supplemental feed to wildlife is not generally a good idea as it causes animals to congregate in an unnatural manner and is a perfect vector for spreading disease. Read the Wildlife Conservation Order for details.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

You are correct sir. Your wisdom trumps her BS.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Well, if she wasn't on here spouting off, she might be out somewhere running loose. Better keep her inside and near the computer. Call it "damage control."

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

I'm going to concurr with you both. It's not worth wasting more time explaining anything to her.
I stated the truth and backed it by facts.
Since she has none of her own It's not worth it.
I just want anyone who reads these blogs to know the truth especially if they're non hunters that are not as misguided as her.

Thank you for standing by me as I have for you. I guess it's time to ignore her and move on.

Bringing Religion into this was a bad idea and a new low.
though

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline I must've missed that question between your insults against Hunters and DNR. You insult us call us liars and now you ask this:

What is your source for your question? Where are you getting this information other than youtube?

I've not heard of any population increase by hunting organizations? What Hunting organizations?

There are Wildlife organiztions trying to increase wetlands and habitat to support all wildlife and increase the population of ducks, elk, wolf and eagles.
Also Fisheries departments increasing Salmon and other fish poulations to include American Shad.

To rebuke your Statement Wildlife habitat improvement by DNR/DGIF Biologist are not food plots they do controlled burns, plant NATIVE plants that ALL wildlife not just deer benefit from.
Farmers plant Crops that man and Wildlife/Livestock benefit from.

Some Private hunters/ land owner plant food plots to hold deer on their property.

As you can tell the DNR recommends against Food plots and feeding deer to lessen the spread of CWD, HD, Bovine TB etc as mentioned by me previuosly.

Predators (Coyotes,Wolves, Bear, Cougar Fox Possum etc) are little effect on population Nature tends to balance itself out Predator V Prey. What affects that is a huge population of predators or if a prey animal is not used to or alert to an introduced predator... Much like wolves vs elk in the midwest.
It seems like you want us to kill coyotes over deer to keep the fawn population strong. That's not a good idea either.
Disease, other predators and cars will have an impact and something is always around to take the place of a predator including Hunters

We're not deer hungry. I for one hunt squirrel, rabbit, quail, dove etc when in season and they taste pretty good. See other posts by me you may have over looked during your tirades.

I took time to answer your question(s) though you still have not answered mine at all!

High quality wildlife habitat is a balanced habitat to include a food source, predators/hunters, prey, water, shelter and good management of all.

You mention deer management alot It's not just about deer it's about being outdoors, not youtube, no tv, no phones, no people unless you're with a freind, your family member or your dog. It encompasses so much more had you read my post and others posts instead of coming in here insulting us, DGIF/DNR, Programs to help others, Habitat improvement etc you would have had a better reception and been able to get a fact based question answered.

It's just odd after your rants and insults you turn around and start asking a question that is somewhat reasonable to answer.

Hopefully this answers your question to an extent and you leave us alone.

Read my posts as far as tropghy hunting goes and that will further answer a part of you last satement.

Now leave us alone and quit posting that BS.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

They should sue people who feed them and then don't do anything to control the population.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Does must be in estrous to get pregnant. That happens in the fall. Bucks go into Rut.
You CAN NOT artificially inseminate a non receptive animal. One that is not in heat or estrous.

There is no Hunting industry. There is no conspiracey to make big deer and overpopulate them read my previous posts.

I've had a DVA as you call it and have had alot of close calls spring, summer and fall. No one is blaming the rut.

You just want to be an antagonist. I've answered your questions and still you haven't answered any of mine to include your source for information for last post.

So leave and just STOP! It only shows your maturity level and your ignorance as you keep trying to prove an illegitament point that's filled with lies, misinformation, and
Everyone (Hunters) on here has proven their points to include backing them up with facts and life experience. You've done nothing to prove your point, answer questions or even try to.
You just keep making up stuff as you go.
You're tone and all of the sudden lack of insults mean you're up to somethin.
So shove off

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Lawyer sounds good.
So does Anti Harrassment laws
and
Laws against Harrassing Hunters Which btw exist!

So a Lawyer would have a field day with some of the forms of harrassment being conducted here by these antis.
I think that billboard constitutes harrassment as well.
Food for thought!

Anyways, looks like we have another crackpot or whatever it is.

How can they expose any truth when they're facts are based upon myth, twisted studies from the 1970's by whackjobs?
They don't know fact from fiction. They base everything off of youtube, PETA, HSUS ASPCA, ALF and think that those organizations don't distort anything for their benefit.

They should actually be talking to personnel in the National Parks Service, Biologists, DGIF/DNR instead of harrassing us with bogus/distorted facts and insults.

Have fun with these idiots, I've said enough on our behalf with true facts and feelings on this subject.

They don't like saying what good deeds they've done or answering any questions directed towards them at all. They just copy what you say and then babble on about nonsense.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

To JasmineT,
all you are to us is a pimple on our asses, your not wanted and you refuse to go away! If the Good Lord didn't want us to sink our teeth into that tender, juicy, and tasty venicen, we wouldn't, but he wants that animal dead and lets us put a bullet (or two) in it. I'll tell you what, next deer I get, I'll make you a nice steak!

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Oh and Jasmine, that deer in your avatar pic looks pretty damn tasty!

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

hey jasmineT, dont u realise that pissing off people with guns that can take your head off from a mile away is never ever a good idea??
(NOT that this in any way at all should be construed as a threath of any kind)
and there are computer wizards among hunters too that can actually track u down from your computer..
U ask the same questions again and again and again, just cut, paste, lol it all away as a sport as a mission as if it was a religion! what u and your "friends" stand for is a lifestylechoice, nothing more. its not one WE here share. so styop trying to forcefeed us your lies and "shocking" "facts".. belive me it takes a heck of a lot more to shock most of us. so im gonna give u a new cause and show u what people do to people in this world, and maybe u will be glad u live in a free country where people around u have firearms and is allowed to defend themselves..
http://fuckingshocking.com/index/video/the_dagestan_massacre_1999_full_v...

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

btw, ya'll... i drove by last week and the billboard has been replaced with some movie ad. i guess they ran out of money and had just enough left over to buy a deer head.

here is the letter that j miller sent with his deer head:

Randy, Michael, JCPRD board members, Lloyd Fox, and all responsible,

My name is Victoria. If you move forward with your planned slaughter, I will be the future face of Shawnee Mission Park, which would in turn come to be known as Death Park. Like my 300 kindred souls whom you are planning to slaughter, I was once a living, breathing, sentient being. I lived, breathed, felt, thought, and had a life force, just like you.

Last week, as I was minding my own business, grazing and tending to my beloved little fawn, I was cut down in the prime of my life, pierced through my heart by a razor-sharp arrow delivered by a barbaric human. He snuffed me out merely to satiate his perverse blood-lust. It was agonizing, but my deepest anguish arises from the knowledge that my fawn will die without his mother.

Had one of our defenders, Jason Miller, not acquired me from a meat processor, they would have thrown my head in the garbage. Is that an end that any civilized human being with an ounce of compassion would choose for a beautiful, graceful, innocent creature like me?

Thankfully, my demise was not in vain. I now serve as a macabre reminder of the cruel, ruthless, malevolent act you intend to commit. It’s NEVER too late to do the right thing. Make your park and community a shining example of justice, logic, and compassion. Follow the nonlethal plan that our defenders are presenting to you again today. If you don’t, your park, your community, your careers, and your hands will forever be stained by the gallons of blood you’re preparing to spill.

Sincerely,

Victoria

if you will all excuse me i must go reload some more cartridges to prepare to satiate my perverse blood-lust.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Same ol cut n paste bs as the other whackjob. Guys she just wants a rise so she can follow suit with the other one and cut and paste and twist our words and then paste her irrelevent lies and half truths that she's put together from our comments on the web pages of the other whack jobs.... it's kinda like she's given the boss man a blow to win favors from him... That is in now way meant as any insinuation just a comparison

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Jasmine,

Do you realize what you are doing here is having the opposite effect you desire?

We typically welcome any guest to this site but this site is not the place for your rants. You can argue, disagree or do just about anything you want but when you attack people we draw the line.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

apologeez to buckhunter... i'm having too much fun:

deer carolinet or jasminet...or whatever personality i'm talking to... you're right - i am a crappy shot - keep thinking that. hey, you're obviously a youtube fan check this one out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbN4so9NVMs

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Carolinetc or jasmint you seem to be the same person.
I killed about 50 or so prairie dogs this weekend thinking about how much each one would make you cringe if you saw this. I left them all laying in the pasture where they belonged. I also shot a coyote, and six grouse. The grouse tasted great as I fried them in bacon grease, and then made a gravy and baked them in the oven at 350 for an hour. It tasted great. I love to tear into that animal meat that I murdered. I saw a lot of deer and a nice ten point which I can't wait to put my sites on in Nov. I will be taking them and butchering them myself as I enjoy doing this. First I cut out all the guts and leave them on the ground for scavengers to eat. Then I hang them to show them off to my friends and age for about a week, maybe two. Then I skin them and cut off their head. Next I debone them and cut off sinew and give it to my dog. I then go into the house and cut the meat into various types of cuts, mostly steaks and I make a lot of jerky out of them. It is about my favorite thing in the world to do, as I actually am feeding my family by my own doing and not from a vegan market where I would depend on someone else do get my food. I decided that I probably am going to be a meatatarian for the rest of my life as the taste of veggies makes me gag. Just like the sickly site of skinny vegans. Good day morons.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

JasmineT
Your recipies look like a load of crap. Kind of like what your mind is made of. I refuse to look at anything on youtube as it is opinion based and not factual. I killed the animals stated above and this is fact. Enjoy thinking of how the praire dogs explode when I use my 06 on them. good day veggie!!!!!

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

JasminT
If you knew anything about Jesus and the Lord, you would know that people were told by God to sacrifice animals in his name. During the passover they were to put lambs blood on their front doors so that their firstborns would be spared. Whenever there was a religious celebration they killed the fattened calf, and Jesus was a fisherman. Preach to someone who beleives idocy and not me.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Jasmine T,

You say you and the roommate have 3 guns. What are they? Do you shoot often? I'm asking this 'cause you realize that means we actually have something in common.....GASP!

The more I think about that, the more interesting it is the fact that you own firearms. That means you are prepared to defend yourself. And if you are prepared to defend yourself, that means you are OK with the thought of hurting or killing someone or something. Being that you are obviously OK with hurting or killing since you said:

"If I was worried about that I would have quit 2 years back but between me and roomie we have 3 guns. Anti-hunting does not always means anti-gun for many vegan are pro-gun and know how to shoot unlike recreational hunters"

Hmmmmm...............very interesting.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

Do you realize that fact makes you a stone-cold busted, one-hundred per cent, twenty-four carat gold-plated

HYPOCRITE

You have talked all this talk about the feelings of animals, yet you are armed and prepared to blast something (a person, a wild animal perhaps) to Kingdom Come. You are no better than us. If you were out hiking, would you think it OK to save yourself if you were cornered by a rattlesnake or a mountain lion? They are wild animals - they don't know what's in your heart. Even though you might love them. They know fight or flight - kill or be killed. There's nothing cuddly and fuzzy about them. You want to personify them and make them into Disney creatures or something you cuddle with. You can't make wild animals into animated stereotypes. No matter what anyone says.

Now, would I consider you a hypocrite for defending yourself if you had to? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I think we have the ability to do so and we should preserve ourselves. How much do you love yourself? Your family? Your friends? Are you close enough to anyone to defend them? Would they defend you? There is no shame in that.

Now let me let YOU in on a little secret.

It's OK to kill.

There needs to be a purpose.

It needs to be a good one.

It's not something I take lightly.

I was raised hunting and fishing.

Being in the outdoors. Appreciating God's Creation.

I don't hunt or fish for the pure sport of it.

I have gone just to sit in the woods many days.

I see it like this: If you go to the store and buy meat
you are hunting by proxy. You are a gatherer.

If you hunt and you kill an animal and you put it's meat
to use, you have at least done it honestly. You didn't pay someone else to do your bidding for you.

If you feed yourself and someone else it makes you a provider.

I have no shame for being a hunter and a fisherman, because I have nothing to be ashamed of.

I am fine with your choice to be vegan.

You should be OK with my choice to be a hunter and a fisherman.

Be honest with yourself about all the things you do and all the actions you take. Don't let others define you. Sounds like to me you have some choices to make.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

But jasmine, if you kill an animal in self defense, just think about the pain you put it through. Its yelling on the inside and its up to you to hear it! hahah damn hippie

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

You need to either embrace the guns or throw them away.
No sitting on the fence for you. How can you honestly face your other vegans/animal rights activists?

(Darth Vader voice) COME TO THE DARK SIDE.....

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from hunterkid94 wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

"You should really check out the vegan food at the vegan site and guess what? they are all plants!!"

whoa now, plants are alive too so why can you cut down a living plant that does notthing but spread oxygen and hardly causes diseases but we cant kill animals(which we do. get over it)

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

JasmineT
Why don't you answer the question about what guns you have? Seems to me that you may be lyeing about even owning them as you never will mention what they are. Jesus ate meat. I repeat this again, Jesus was a fisherman and he ate meat. One time he fed hundreds by tearing apart a few loaves of bread and a fish or two. Can't remember exact number, but it is in the bible and I beleive it. You don't have to but I choose to. Just like I choose to hunt and fish and always will. You have not swayed anyones thinking towards hunting on this site so why are you wasting your time as we are playing with you like a little puppie? Do you not see how rediculous we know you are. We throw you a bone and you fetch it up and bring it right back every time. Your doing your cause no good by trying to ridicule us a call us a bunch of murderers. You are the one who looks absurd. You obviously can't see this so I guess we'll keep throwing the bait and seeing how often and fast you bite.
ps. I didn't get time to shoot anything today but will try harder tommorrow.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

JasmineT
The Lord put animals on this earth for us to use. I never said we should abuse them, but he put them here for us to use for work and to nurish our bodies. Anyone who thinks elsewise is a moron. If you wish not to eat meat I don't care, but leave people alone who choose to eat meat. You don't see a bunch of hunters picketing around a peta headquarters trying to shove our ideas and beleifs down someones throat. Get out of our area and blog somewhere that has people who drink the same Koolaid you do you mindless windbag.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

And the answer u have ignored all the time is that theire trying to improve the quality of the deer. by giving each individual enough to eat to grow big and strong and live easily through a cold winter, but since they breed at a high rate then there is gonna be a need to keep the total numbers in an area in check by taking out a certain percentage each year. so hunters are vital in this equation.. shooting, killing and eating the meat.. with u vegans in charge the deer would breed untill they died of starvation.. in cycles untill they become smaller in size and breed even faster than now..
starving generations of deer and not doing anything to protect them.
But im guessing this is an answer u dont wanna listen to anyway, so go back to your own funny ways "making a difference!" on youtube with vids noone watches:D

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Same BS and copy catting of the other brainwashed oxygen thief.

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from Dannyjr321 wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

"Our site don't delete anything your does." nice grammer this is probably the only thing that she typed not copied and pasted

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

What's that saying judge not lest ye be be judged or somethin like that... I guess she didn't read that far.

She's upset that we see her for what she is:
A Liar, Hypocrite, Criminal, Hate monger, Antagonist, B^^ch, Fanatic, Loone, I could probably add alot more. Not gonna waste my time. She knows what she is and that shes only here for self gratification.

She's probably all alone in her one bedroom apartment with her 20 cats....drinkin bong water.

For one that preaches about religion she sure is full of hate and totally goin against the teachings of it.

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

right... ignore the questions that you can't handle.
-responsible hunter

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

The reason efgumby is that you aren't one of them so you aren't brainwashed enough to fall for their lies.

They don't have true factual answers only what they've made up while drinking bong water and watchin youtube.
oh and whatever they get from tristing our words around.

That's the reason they don't answer any questions because they don't have answers. Look through our posts and read how many legit questions from us that we have asked them and they have chose to ignore.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Tell us one thing, one PROJECT, one good deed you have done. You can't, because your group is based on the protest of something, not the solving of problems.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

http://fuckingshocking.com/index/video/some_fucking_punks_burn_a_dog_ali...

Here tea-lady, here is someone deserving your attention. not us.

Dog owners dont look, yall be spitting with rage if u do..

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

yep, not gonna watch that one... i can't handle animal cruelty. some people can tell the difference.
peta here is a broken record... she couldn't explain her position in real life because there is no cut and paste there.
one last thing, ms. dingdong, most of the people that you term as the 'non-killing public' are meat eaters who think that you and your ilk are as nutty as a squirrel's nest before winter. they won't have your back. go crawl up in dennis kucinich's craw and have a nice cry there... the rest of us have hunting to do.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

JasmineT
I did do everything I have said. Your wrong about the public and their opinion on eating meat. I would have been out of business a long time ago if the majority of people thought the way you say they do. Quit lying and find some truthful information. We don't believe your ramblings. You just now nulled everything you have said about religion by saying you were not religeous. You are not very good at what you do, and I will enjoy your rebuttle of obnoxious spatter that you send my way. I repeat this one point, if the majority of people honestly beleived what you say I would have been out of business a long time ago. Why is it that McDonalds is thriving and the price of cattle was the best it ever had been until recently after the elction of Obama? You still won't answer what guns you have and I doubt that you know how to hold one in the right direction.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Here is my answer to your question about hunting and herd reduction. We as hunters are not always about reducing the numbers, but for keeping the correct herd size. Some years there are more tags to be filled, and other years there are less. You need to go out and hunt before you start insinuating what we feel or our mentality is. You are very uneducated about wildlife and managment. This is what is going wrong in this world nowdays. People are more worried about how animals feel than matters that are of real importance.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Anyone can go and find accidents and use them for an excuse to stop hunting. There are far less hunting accidents than there are car accidents. I am not disagreeing that you should be a safe hunter, which I am and I only will hunt with safe people, but you think a couple of accidents is reason enough to stop all hunting which is absurd. Humans are omnivores and your too naive and insane to know better. I said the exact same thing as you that the only thing that seperates us from prey is our ability to use our brains, and build technology like weapons to put us on top. Hunters know this better than you do bonehead.
QUIT QUOTING ABOUT RELIGION THAT YOU YOURSELF DON'T EVEN BELEIVE IN. If you think we will listen to you about religion when you place no stock in it your as crazy as your ramblings prove. Humans and animals are different and I don't think that you should snuff out human life for suffering. You bring up humans and death to animals, and I bet you are for abortion! If you really are for animals life you should be against this but I am willing to bet you aren't. I bet you argue for the rights of womens bodies and all this. I only bring this up because this is what liberals do is contradict themselves. It does matter what guns you own because I think you don't own them. I think your a two faced liar that will say what ever sounds the best to try and sway a young persons mind and tell them what criminals all hunters are. I bet your unhappy with your own life so you have to attack people who don't have any worries. You probably find any excuse you can to call us murderers and say we are no better than child molesters. What you need is a therapist and some good drugs to get your mind straight. Then maybe you will crusade for a cause that is truly worthy. Your mindless writings are absurd as your inane ability to speak the truth and find the truth. Enjoy your night crusader of insanity.
ps. I will be taking my oldest boy out tommorrow to teach him how to hunt as humanely as possibleand to teach him how illogical people like yourself are trying to destroy our freedoms as we know them.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

She can't keep her Lies straight so she annoys and antaginzes us with her regurgitated copy and pastes.

If we just talk about her and not to her maybe it'll piss her off and like an unwanted guest she'll leave.

Glad to hear they took down the billboard. What a bunch of lies and crap that thing was just in imagery alone.

She won't answer those questions because she doesn't want to look like a hypacrite because she and her prganizations have done nothing to benefit anyone but themsleves.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Talk about selfishness, self gratification all she wants... it looks like she is the one being selfish and in here for self gratication while trying to get attention..... The single, one bedroom appartment living, no man wants her, bong water drinking cat lady that associates herself with ALF, PETA, HSUS, and other whack jobs.

Guys this is the most attention shes had in awhile if she is a she... not gonna go there... LOL
As long as she gets a rise out of us she can justify here antagonistic ways, lies and criminal ways

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

JasmineT
What in the heck makes you think you are winning anything? Look at all your remarks and see how many pluses you have compared to the rest of us.
Dodging the question on abortion huh?
Come on and try to castrate me if you think you could get it done! MAKE MY DAY!!!!!
Everyone on the site has answered your question, with exception to me as the only reason I respond to you is to see what absurd bs can come from a vegan salad shooter.
I have never killed anyone, just animals. It is a blatant lye to accuse me of murdering my own. I have no shame for hunting, just enjoyment. I enjoy it more than anything in this world. The only thing better is taking your own kids hunting. And maybe giving a vegan fish some bait to see how fast they bite.
You will never win anything on this website except in your own perverted mind so go ahead and wine some more. Give your address and I will send you some cheese.
A couple more questions earth child, please explain why humans eyes face forward just like carnivores? Oh and why would anyone beleive a cartoon pig other than idiots or children that humans are not omnivores? And why does this cartoon show cows with teeth on top and bottom of their mouths? This is not truthful at all. Why do humans not have four stomachs? Why aren't our eyes on the sides of our heads? Why is it that I digest meat just fine brainiac? Why do we have three kinds of teeth instead of just flat teeth in the back for grinding? Why can't we digest grass and tree bark like cattle? Why do you beleive idiots instead of true biologists? What credentials do you have to say that we are not the educated ones? And last but not least, what guns do you own?
ps. I am glad to be discusting to you. I ate some damn tasty ham today, and it made me feel better knowing that people like you have to just live with the fact that I eat meat each and every day. Lastly I would rather die of a heart attack at age 50 than to be a vegan and live to 90.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 28 weeks ago

Jasmine, or Caroline, or whoever you are today:

First of all the photo you stuck up there- what issue and what person? F&S doesn't just throw pics up and not give credit. I have to call BS on that one. The hunter is not wearing his orange vest, he looks photoshopped. PLUS, no ethical hunter would EVER shoot that. Few if any unethical hunters would shoot that either because they would be ridiculed by others as 'Bambi-killer'.

Until you show me issue and page I call bulls#!+ on this one. F&S wouldn't publish that- that's unethical unless they were ridiculing this moron(who probably doesn't exist).

AND, if we're so disgusting, why are you trolling around still, and what makes you think we are going to be swayed by your convincing arguments and rock-solid logic? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That bongwater and tofu diet you have going on there has rotted your vegan brain. I would say get some mental help, but it may be too late for you.

I think you live a life of displeasure. I think your misery has affected you and your judgment so badly that you feel the only way you can cope is to judge others.
I feel sorry for you that your faith in God is so weak that you feel you have to judge when it is His job to do. Do you think God is that weak that he needs you to do that heavy lifting?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Were you the stupid one that was hit by the car at the protest???? If you were, it figures.

Like I said earlier show me page and location in an F&S magazine or location on this site where you got that photo. BS called again. It doesn't exist.

I had a conversation with an animal rights person this evening. That's right - that's what I said. She is one of my wife's friends from college. We had a very cordial and intelligent conversation about lots of things. Turns out her group thinks y'all (Bite Club and/or ALF or whatever) is what she considers to be COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to the cause of bettering things for animals. She actually called y'all "MORONS" (among other things that weren't so nice or repeatable here)and said that the stunt of sending the deer head would wind up hurting the animals' cause and animal rights groups causes worse than anything.

Actually the conversation with her was quite enlightening, and we each understood each other's motivations a lot better. I am in no way changed in any beliefs I have (neither is she), but we agreed on a lot more things than i would have ever expected. We disagreed on some too but we were honest in our reasons for and against.

It's too bad you are so brainwashed and closed-minded. You would get a lot more accomplished and would have a whole lot more good will with even your adversaries.
As it stands no one here respects, trusts, believes, or cares for anything you say or do. Your credibility is zero with us(hunters/outdoors people) and now I know that even other animal rights people think you and your group are a detriment to the 'cause'. MORONS indeed!!! Not my words - HERS!!!!

There are no amounts of BS youtube videos or photoshopped pictures you can put out that will convert anyone except a true kool-aid drinker. Your scriptures from mostly non-recognized texts are not helping either. You have so much out-of-context stuff going on you are able to bend things into saying what you want them to say. You might as well be quoting from the JC Penney catalog instead of J.C. Himself.

Your case and your arguments get weaker and weaker with each of your posts. Please keep posting. You will do nothing but strengthen the resolve of everyone here, and you will finish ruining your group's credibility. As if y'all had much if any to begin with.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Jasminet
The only thing that any of your posts have refuted is that you could be an intelligent person. I don't care how smart you think you are, or how many youtube videos that you use for sources of information, you are still wrong. I can go search youtube and find clips that refute what you say on the same source that you have. Youtube is not a place for information unless your a mindless dip. You are so confused mushroom lady. Humans evolved to be able to eat many forms of food. You need to eat a little of everything to be the most healthy. I don't worry too much about health because idiots like you try to tell me what to eat and lie to people about what humans are susposed to eat, so I eat more meat than what anyone really needs. I eat meat as the main course and every meal. I raise cattle, so that is my main food source, and it costs me little because it is my own. I will never change, and it is funny you waste your time trying to change us. That picture you have I have a hard time beleiving it is real. For one thing, in my area anyways, the fawns don't have spots anymore, and are twice to three times that size during bow season. That looks like a month old or less fawn.
PS. Last night I ate the most delicious home raised beef sirloin steak I have ever made. The red juices were the most succulent flavors I have ever put in my mouth. I ate it rare, just two minutes of searing on each side. The middle was still cold. I thanked the cow for gracing me with all this protein to supplement my body. I had corn and potatoes on the side. No tofu for me ever.

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from Skeeb wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Jasmine,
Just beacause you are a single 55 year old woman with a house full of cats, doesn't mean you have to take it out on us. My suggestion to you is, go on an outing, say in southern Georgia, and see how nice and cuddly all of the feral hogs and wild dogs are. You would put a bullet in one of them probably quicker than anyone on here would. You would end up shitting your pants 30 feet up a tree trying to escape "God's creatures".

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

They are soft and cuddly right up to the point that they would f*** you up. Skeeb -you aren't in GA are you?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Well the list of acts of terrorism starts with ones on our own, those threats to Idahooutdoors, and the threats to his home and family. Then the libel/slander suit-in-waiting billboard that your group put up. And yet you are stupid and foolhardy to come to OUR forum, and then have the nerve to preach your beliefs, and then bring God / religion / theology into the mix. That folks, is a tactic out of their playbook to try to divide us, if y'all haven't figured that one out yet. Those are just the micro-view ones. If you aren't terrorists, then why are you on government watch lists for just such acts?????

Actually there are more than one of you making entries as 'Jasmine T' and 'Caroline TC'. Ask me how I know this.

Now answer this honestly. How much do you think with all your efforts you have swayed even ONE of us here?

We believe in free speech and all the rights our forefathers granted us by law. You can see how we have allowed you to 'voice' yourselves in a forum that is not even technically public. Your groups aren't strong enough to do that and WON'T allow it. We believe our arguments and position are exactly that strong. Your argument depends on, and hopes for, having laws changed so that we (who are law-abiding hunters) would be denied our rights. And when the laws don't suit you, you take direct action, and are shielded by special interest groups and hidden money from people who are above (and too good for) standing on a picket line.

Would you really want to rile the hunting/outdoors/shooting sports/fishing community enough to challenge YOUR rights to have 17 cats in your house, or worship whatever little pagan flora and fauna god you are into this week, or to eat as much tofu as you can crap out?
That's not realistic. Yet your dim and closed-minded views fail to see that you are asking and wanting something that you might not want. When you infringe on our rights, you also infringe on your own.

Are you sure you want what you think you want? If so bring the battle. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

That was awesome. I'm getting verklempt now.....

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

Wow I'm touched.very moving statement sir,

.. shes as worthy of a nobel peace prize as obama

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 27 weeks ago

JasmineTC
Your research on food plots is a joke. If no one planted food plots, the deer would feed on other things like farmers crops, and pastures and acorns and every other food there is. I live where noone plants a food plot, because there is plenty of natural food. Your food plot theory is bogus. Our deer come in and eat on our fields every evening and group together. Our fields are planted for harvest of the food that is intended for human consumption. I don't plant them for foodplots, and noone in my county has a food plot other than CRP. However I see nothing wrong with planting a food plot, and it is hardly the cause of CWD. CWD is hardly a problem most places, and is a disease that comes and goes just like every other. We hunt because we enjoy it, and we do manage deer more than you will ever acknowledge. Your findings are just a few phrases someone says and is taken completely out of context. You lie more than anyone I have ever heard ramble. I repeat this once again, noone but nimrods and noodlebrains beleives a word in your writings, or your youtube videos. Your nonsense has been debunked continueously. How can you imagine, even in your own mind, that you are doing anything worth while? Most people think you and your kind are loons. I keep to my business and don't tell you what to eat or do for enjoyment, keep to your own business and quit sticking your nose where it doesn't belong. By the way last weekend my father in law and myself went grouse hunting and both limited out. Next weekend is opening pheasant season and I will dedicate my hunt to idiots like yourself. I will blast them birds right out of the sky and enjoy every second of it.

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from 86Ram wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Not of small car vs deer but some of midsize and trucks vs deer can be found on google. Not pretty!

I don't understand these so called animal rights peaple and their extreme b.s.

They must all live in the city in the same apartment complex feedin the rats and roaches because trapping the disease ridden critters is inhumane.
All those organizations need to move to somewhere in south america or an uninhabited island on the Aluetion chain with no guns, fishin poles or any other type hunting/fishing device. Alocation that has Grizzlies or big cats and gators + some game animals. BTW it's remot so no stores or cars etc. No Air strips either so theres no chance of em gettin out of there.

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from JohnR wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

I agree with Buckhunter. Why are only off duty police officers allowed to hunt the deer? Do they get to keep the meat? Why not raffle off X number of tickets to take a deer in the park? I suppose that only off duty police officers are able to sucessfully harvest a deer!

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from GERG wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

This kinda crap angers me to no end! Here in AR the state and or city of Hot Springs Village just allowed a hunt inside the limits. This was or is to control the exploding population.Sorry if my details are sketchy but I just saw a blurb in the local news. No rukus raised or nothin. Thank goodness. The people that put up billboards such as this(my opinion)have a mental defect. Guess they can go pick a cheesebuger off the cheese burger tree.Why can they not understand the concept of fairchase? I love beef but I never saw a cow that had a sporting chance. If they are vegans, never met one that wasnt pasty and sickly lookin.Ok, maybe I'm gettin a little stereotypical. I have aquaitances of both ilk, vegatararians not so bad, vegans nut cases. The Vegan feels the same about me. So we can agree to disagree.The vegan I know would not put up a billboard so I can tolerate him. Runnin on a bit here. Guess the bottom line is true sportsmen would not resort to such tactics and tha makes me PROUD!!!

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from shane wrote 4 years 30 weeks ago

Options:

- Shoot them

- Bring back wolves

- Watch a zillion mangy, starving deer die of disease and spread it elsewhere

Hmm...

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from niteflyer54 wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

It's a sad day in America when it's all about lying to get your point across. I read that crap on CRE. How did we magically produce 3 fawns one year and then 8 the next? Have some of those anti's taken a walk in the north woods in the winter and see the dead or starving/dying deer? Or have they camped out in the winter and listened to the cacophony of coyotes running down a deer. That'll put a chill down their spines. They cannot hear that stuff or see it from there townhouses in the city.

** Wake up America. They are among us and they VOTE! **

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Actually there was a flaw in my above conclusion; you would rather people AND deer starve....more shame for you!

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from efgumby wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

dear caroline tc... welcome to free speech. unless your posts become vulgar chances are that your "logic" will remain for all to see- unlike my posts to biteclub... if you should happen to question any part of their plan or claims your speech will be censored... perhaps you could tell me, caroline, there was a claim that it takes an average of seventeen arrows to bring down a deer. do you have access to the evidence of this? better yet, introduce me to the hunter that could manage to get seventeen arrows into a deer... i want to shake that hunter's hand...truly an incredible feat.

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from Ruckweiler wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Caroline:
Can we just cull you and your kind from the gene pool?

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 4 years 29 weeks ago

Oh really caroline?? and if so where did the grand canyon come from??:P and meat has been a part of our diet for a very very long time, or didnt u know that chimps organize hunting parties and hunt kill and eat lesser apes?? allways instigated by pregnant females in the herd needing more protein in theire diet and by massaging the males egos by manipulation with sex the men then organise hunting parties..
And i would think i know alot more than u do about coservation of wildlife since thats what im educated in, but i will consede to this point, we probably eat more meat than we need right now since our meatconsumtion has like quadrupled since the 50`s, but to leave it out alltogether would be hazardous to your health both short and longterm, and what would u consider more cruel, keeping an animal trapped throughouth its life in small enclosures, stressing the animal and treating it roughly and never giving it freedom, or let a wild animal live free withouth contact with humans for its entire lifetime and then inflicting 30 seconds of shock and trauma, as compared with the natural way of dying being ripped appart by a predator or dying slowly of painfull illness??
I know u r probably trying to do good, but its horribly uneducated the propaganda u spew forth and no one that actually knows how the natural world works is ever ever gonna take u serious.. and because of that u r never gonna make a difference to the people actually taking care of theire natural habitat, and thats hunters belive it or not, we dont kill for sports etc. but to preserve our knowledge of harvesting from nature by its own terms and to eat natural meat full of richness and taste..

btw watch the animated film "free jimmy!" ;)

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