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September 17, 2010

Deeter: Is it Time for "Dry Fly Only" Regulations?

By Kirk Deeter

Hear me out on this one before you send the hate mail (when you do send hate mail, please make it attention Tim Romano...). We have so many classic "flies only, catch-and-release" waters in this country. And to me, that's all good. It promotes fly fishing, it helps sustain the fish and the resource, and all of that. But you ultimately have to ask yourself if dragging nymphs through a run beneath a strike indicator is really fly fishing, really good for the resource, and ultimately really a good way to inspire fly anglers to push their limits, embrace the learning curve, understand entomology, and expand their horizons in this sport.


This post is prompted, in part, from a note I received from a fishing friend and industry insider who refers to strike indicators as "dude bobbers." That's exactly what they are. And beadhead nymphs, as much as I love them, are really effective because they essentially help an angler hit trout in the head with a morsel that looks somewhat appetizing. That isn't "classic" (call it snobby if you want to) fly fishing. And streamer fishing is bass fishing for trout... let's be perfectly honest about that.

So what if we took the bobbers and the beads (and streamers) out of the equation, on a trial basis, in certain stretches of classic trout water? Say, for example, Cheesman Canyon in Colorado. Or the "A Section" of the Green River in Utah. Or the West Branch of the Delaware. What if we tried that, just for grins?

Well, the first thing we'll do is cut down on the foul-hooked, and lip-ripped trout mortality. The second thing that will happen is that the "production" fly guides will actually have to start thinking (and stop netting) for a living. And it might just inspire the everyday angler to jump on a learning curve that actually grows interest in the sport, grows product sales, and makes fly fishing an educational commitment. Is it ultimately about a photo op, or about a lifestyle and a passion?

I understand the need to make fly fishing accessible, and that success breeds interest and involvement. I really get that, trust me. And there should be many places where that happens. But have the bead and the bobber put our fly fishing brains on hold, and, in effect, stalled this sport to an intellectual (and growth) standstill?

I'd be willing to find out these answers, in select places. I'd sure like to see some trout heads popping more regularly on heavily- pressured waters, and I'm certainly not afraid to raise the bar, if only to separate the players from the pretenders.

What say you?

Deeter

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from headforthetropics wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I say: good idea.

I'm a guy who regularly depends on bead-heads, streamers - although I would NEVER stoop so low as to fish with an indicator (heh-heh, that should ruffle a few feathers, but I digress). all this to say that I do own a dry-fly box, and it's packed with a beautiful assortment (so no excuses about never having the correct pattern) BUT, I must confess with some degree of shame, this box rarely sees the light of day. so I would welcome a set of rules that forces me to dip into that relatively unused box. it would certainly make things more challenging - similarly, it would encourage me to search for new, dry-fly-friendly waters. so why not? sounds like as nice a challenge as I'm ever likely to experience.

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from Brian Jackson wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Wow! Talk about some elitist sounding snobbery! Fly fishing is already the only form of fishing that has water closed to only flies, now it would be a good idea to have it closed to only one type of lure? Guides who use nymphs and streamers are not using their heads?

I'm mainly a bass fisherman but if I'm throwing a topwater plug all day and not catching them and my buddy is pulling in a limit on a drop-shot rig I'm not going to sniff and tell him that he's not really fishing because he's not using the classic wooden plugs of yore, I'm going to start fishing a drop shot rig. Sometimes the fish won't hit a dry, so that makes it stupid to use a dry.

Anything short of dynamite that gets fish on the line is good for the sport.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Challenge yourself if you want to, but the waters are everyone's. I prefer to bowhunt and am glad there's an extended season for it, but I don't think there should be Archery Only sections of the woods because I like the challenge and wish to either "enlighten" or exclude others. Maybe a catch and release dry-fly only season is a better option?

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from Koldkut wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I can't make the call either way, but I would like to know how you would enforce it? Forget the bead heads, I'll wrap the underbody in lead and the warden will do what, cut my flies to check for the lead? I will say that I did foul hook two fish that were facing the bank on Wednesday when I was fishing behind that rock, I believe that was a direct effect from fishing nearly 1/8-3/16oz of weight along with a bead head trailer. Bobbers, who needs those thing....I don't in most cases ;)

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from aferraro wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Some of us who don't fish 100 days a year and (get paid for it) would like a little flexibility. I love to fish dry flies, but if they aren't biting top water, I adapt. I may get to fish 3 x a year without my kids and really don't need dry fly snobs further limiting my recreation. Going out and buy a strike indicator just for you!

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from abbner wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I will admit, and have no problem doing so, that I like my strike indicator/bobber/old-man-sight. Like what Jacksjb was talking about, do what you have to do to make the experience an experience. I don't play by anyone else's ideals but my own so with that said I say sling what you have and adjust if necessary.

As far as private waters goes, I have never understood why there were such things. That was until Wednesday. We have fished a lot around the eastern side of CO and I have yet to see the size and quantity like what we seen on Wednesday anywhere else. I say this, if Golf can have private clubs so I don't see why people have a problem with private fishing clubs.

All complaints, send to Koldkut~!

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from Bioboy wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Yeah I'm not buying into that one. Although dry fly fishing is great there are sometimes nymphing is just the ticket. Second you mention that using only dries would make us better entomologists, but how can that be true if we ignore the most important insect life stage? Lastly the first flies used were wet flies, so fishing under the surface really is "original" fly fishing in some sense.

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from shadbuster wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Fly fishing and dry fly fishing in nothing special and is not especially challenging, same as every other type of fishing you can make it as simple or challenging as you want, depending on your level of commitment. All type of types of fishing methods have a time and place, depending on conditions. I've had times when trout were turning their nose at my rapala's, kastmasters, and live worms, I took out my fly rod drifted a fly and bam had a fish on. I know you fly guys love to spread around the myth that dry fly fishing is something super challenging and special but us guys who do all types of fishing know the truth, that its just another method to catch fish same as any other.

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from Muleynut30.06 wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I agree with shadbuster while I am currently trying to get back into fly fishing to me its just another way to catch fish. And if I turn into one of those guys you see on the river who turns his nose up at you because you have a spinning rod and lures I will give up fishing forever that is whats ruining our sport not all the regulations.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

If anything this post is making me question any lingering reservations I have regarding crossbows during archery season.

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from prairieghost wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

no, no, no to this idea. there are days when fish are simply not looking up. nymphing allows us to turn those days around. we need more folks in the sport not less. nymphing allows for success sooner in the learning curve.
guys who nymph or throw streamers are NOT pretenders, just utilizing different tools to catch a few fish.
as for places to fish, CO just had a bloody stream access fight, and the fishermen lost. Utah legislature reversed a court ruling, taking access away. WY is very restrictive. Good, public water is NOT easy to find Deeter.
I'll give up my thingamabobbers when you take them from my cold, dead hands.

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from Micropterus24 wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I agree with previous posts, I'm not buying into this one. If you want to "challenge" yourself by using only dry flies, just use them. You don't need a regulation to force it on you.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Deeter, You know it is a bad idea you scoundrel you !! Why not just make it a law that you have to use one of your surgeons knots, and then catch rates will be limited? :) And there aren't a lot of "fly only" waters. There are "floating nymph" flies you also know.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

so with this idea, what you are basically proposing is that we get babysat in fishing too? when i fly fish i will use eithr style if it's working. as far as bobbers go, i don't use them. i like how bioguy put it.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Flies like a Muddler Minnow can serve both purposes...fish it floating, and then strip it under, and fish it like a streamer. Maybe that is why Deeter is promoting binoculars on the river...for Game Wardens, that can observe a dry fly guy stripping his dry fly under, and fishing it like a streamer, and throw the cuffs on the dude. :)

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from tkbone wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

If we outlaw beads and bobbers, who are we supremely noble and elitist dry fly fishermen going to be able to look down upon then?! The corn and crawlers guys are just too easy a target.

Once I've caught a few fish one way, I'm usually ready to try something else. It's part ADHD, part natural progression of fishing and learning in general. Let those new to fly fishing actually catch some fish - I think once most folks become proficient at catching trout on nymphs and bobbers they'll naturally want to try more challenging techniques. There's still plenty of fish and water for all to enjoy.

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from vtbluegrass wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Ok the real irony is that the picture chosen to go with an article that suggests dry fly only is a giant gaudy dry fly. I mean look at those rubber legs and the white parachute wings you have there. I mean what are you using 20lb tippets looks like rope inthe picture.

So if you going to go I say go all the way. Dry fly only with only natural materials that you harvested yourself which means farming what you can and trapping the rest. None of this new fangled nylon thread either, I mean you might as well use a night crawler.

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from kirkdeeter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Hmmmmm. Touched a nerve on this one. Not that I was trying to do so...

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Obviously we all knew it would touch a nerve. If anything I'll admit to being suprised that the posts have been so one sided.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Oops, I forgot about the first post. Though the logic strikes me of asking Michelle O to outlaw my cheeseburger because it's just so much fun I'll pass on the celery. I think we're watched enough thank you, and I propose to police my own habits.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Deeter...Fess up, you were after the nerves! And we both know there ain't nothin like catching a fish on a dry fly!!

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I really do not know where to go with this.

My first question would be, "Is dry fly fishing the classic method?". I will argue that wet fly fishing came way before dry fly fishing and should be considered the "classic" or "original" method of fly fishing. I just guessing but my guess is that some of the first fly gear into this country was carried over by the Scots and involved many patterns of salmon flies.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Buckhunter...it is a matter of what method is more enjoyable, not what came first. Here is a classic example. Many years ago I took my younger brother on a float trip down the Yakima River in WA St. His approach was "I use ultra lt. spinning tackle, and light lines, and enjoy catching fish as much as you do on the fly." Now he has attached to a flyrod, a dry fly, and off we go. His casts aren't great, but he soon gets a decent float as the boat follows his dry fly along the river bank. The first fish that came up and ate his dry fly, the spinning gear was mothballed, for the most part, there after! Anyone that wouldn't have had the same experience needs consoling.

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from Woodstock wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

It's my impression that fly-fishing only regulations are implemented largely as a conservation measure: fly-caught fish have much greater rate of survival than bait-caught fish (based on many catch-and-release studies).

In other words, "fly only" regs aren't so much about creating interest, or making better fly anglers, or trying to force people to achieve a "higher" level of sport; the regs are there mainly to help preserve wild fish.

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from headforthetropics wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

hey all - read the posts and thought I'd add one more thing: you're a pretty insecure lot and you've pretty much embarassed yourselves. I don't 'look down' on the infidels who use streamers (I use 'em myself - often) - even during the few times I am strictly DF fishing. Beyond this, who bloody cares if a dry-fly snob looks down upon us dull normals? WHAT a bunch of whiners! Really, go out & buy a big ol' barrel of self-esteem & grow up. peace!

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

i like how someone is going around giving -'s to people over something that really is just a matter of opinion. pile 'em on all you want. i'll take 20 more. you really think it matters? what a juvinile!

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Wow! Did Deeter create trouble this time! I took it as a spoof, as not even practical..why just dryfly? On my river, the SF of the Snake, the problem now is to get the fly guy to keep fish!..keep rainbows they say are hurting the cutthroat numbers. The fly guy, the serious ones, have been so indoctrinated into releasing fish they won't kill the rainbows even when the Game Dept puts a tag in them worth a $1,000 when you turn in the dead rainbow for inspection! I am one of them. Just had a guy I took in my boat who said his wife wanted him to bring home a fish, and I told him that would cost him a trip in the future. I do not kill trout from the river.

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from jakenbake wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

When the trout stop eating nymphps, minnows, and any other type of subsurface food, then go ahead and ban the use of wet flies. In the meantime, stop trying to push more folks away from the rivers. We have a hard enough time getting people outside anyways.

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from ryanjameshurd wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I tried, and I can't really find the sympathy for this idea.

But hey, I tried.

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from shane wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I'm sure there's someone out there with a bamboo rod, silk line, and all natural flies that thinks Deeter is a total joke, a faker. Maybe he'll try and get all of Deeter's high tech cheater gear banned.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Sayfu, You are right. (again). I was so taken back by this blog I totally lost focus. Not to mention I was hip deep into work while typing.

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from MG wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

"And streamer fishing is bass fishing for trout... let's be perfectly honest about that."

Yea...so what's your point?

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Deeter, Dry flies is one thing, but using rubber legs on your dry flies?. Shame on you. Might as well put "Smelly Jelly" in your fly floatant. :)

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I hope someone had there chest waders on when they crossed this cow pasture to the creek LOL.Now im no tweed,nickerd wearing fly elitest.I LOVE THE PURSUIT OF FISH!My strike indicator is a bent rod with a fish on one end.Id use a kitchen sink if they wernt so hard to unfoul out of the brush."just fish"and relax!

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from kirkdeeter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

All good comments, and good arguments on this thread. I've always said nymph fishing is 3-D fishing, and as much as we love the rise, dry fly fishing is only 2-D... But who here is going to throw down and say nymph fishing is "top of the game?" Who will contend that the guy using a bobber and beadheads is a better angler than the person who can hook them on the dry? Who wouldn't trade 20 bobber strikes for one classic dry fly eat in the film? Be honest...

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from shane wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Some are out there trying to be "elite" and get their name in the paper or face in the film. I don't know about all that, I'm trying to have a good time.

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from jnagel32 wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Deeter you are a tool. Plain and simple. You get paid to fish and write about it for a living. Try having a real job where you only get to fish once in awhile or when you don't get all your flies and equipment for free. Then talk to me. You are my hero because you can wear a $275 Simms fishing jacket and fish with dry flies. Look down on me because my rod, reel, and line costs less than your jacket and I'm using nymphs with an indicator. Maybe you should see what it's like when you can only fish maybe 1 or 2 times a month. Get lost

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

i think there are some "rules" in fly fishing that don't make since. like the thread that mentioned that using a dry with a san juan dropper was taboo. noone has explained to us less informed fly fishers about why that is taboo. now we have this big debate about how beadheads, bobbers and streamers are taboo. i just don't understand that one either. anyone want to explain it to me like i am a 2 year old? i say use what works as long as it's legal. the next thing that will happen is obama is gonna start getting into this issue like he did with college football. just seems like too much regulation. no offense to anyone. JMHO.

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from Big Country wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

My fly rod and reel (bolth of them) don't cost half of what alot of this great gear that people that get paid big money to fish with free gear are using. But then again central Texas dosen't have alot of trout fishing opertunitys. Wait they have some in the decuration at the Cabelas! This is ridiculas to even think of bringing up. (even thow it seems the blogger that brought it up did so to make us all argue about and it worked)This is just another case of what I refer to as "people with to mutch money, not enouph sense, and to mutch free time.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

jamesti, I don't think of it as "rules" just individual groups of fly anglers that have opinions about what is the most pleasurable way to catch fish. Most fly anglers release fish anyway to fight another day. It is, for them, all about enjoying themselves, but why tell others how to enjoy themselves right? If I called a guide, and said that me and my buddy want to take a guide trip, and it will cost us in excess of $500 a day when including the tip,(that's the fee on my river), I want to dry fly fish, not cast a bobber, and nymph. But that's my position, others can have their way of fishing.

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

this idea sucks. public waters are for everyone. in a day when fisherman are declining we should welcome all types to fish out waters.
by the way there is no scientific study that says flyfishing reduces hooking mortality. it doesn't exist

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

headforthetropics,

Is it insecure to object to a hypothetical situation that further restricts waters to one very particular type of fishing?

I suspect if the proposition was "Is it time the (insert body of water here) was posted Size 3/0 or greater circle hooks only?", you'd have something to say about the ridiculousness of waters being essentially denied so many decent and hard working fly fisherman. I would have to agree with you.

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from fflutterffly wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

75-85% of the time fish are feeding under the surface. My clients may drive 200 miles to reach the waters and you expect them to want to try and catch 25% of the fish, at the exact right time of the day. I for one will always begin my day with a dry, just for the fun of it. Plying the edges and watching the water for a little action. When clients come on board I know what there expectations are and it isn't to wait 2 hours for some rise. I agree with many that fishing flies in itself is a study, regardless if they are streamers, BH or flymphs. Already stretches of water are set aside, suggesting that we limit decreasing areas to one kind of fly seems over the top. Let the angler decide what to throw and how to throw it.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

fflutter ffly...Your stats are deceiving. It doesn't matter that only 25% of the time fish feed up top. If you are on a float you can cover a lot more water using attractor patterns drawing fish up, especially fish that are laying along a bank that are there because they are opportunist fish waiting for an easy meal. I need to make no adjustments for water depth. It differs from time to time what is most effective, but overall the dry fly angler, and it also depends on the river, will catch far more fish, then the nymphing angler....BUT, and the key, is you need accomplished casters. If you are a guide you know that. I guided for 20 yrs. If they can't cast, and that is the reason many hire a guide, then you have to fish a strike indicator rather than having them casting along a bank edge. And you are right on about the fly method...ridiculous to even suggest it. Most waters are artificial only, not even restricting it to fly fishing only. And it is that kinda stuff that gets anglers upset at fly anglers.

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from MLH wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I prefer dry fly fishing - actually find it easier than nymphing. Still takes knowledge about the life cycle of bugs to do it well. Bummer if the rules change and I "run out" of floatant and my dry goes for a swim.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

MLH..You're on the right page, and have progressed into that small, select group of proficient fly anglers. You may have to stretch the life of your floatant it looks like. Melt it down, and add some shrimp oil maybe. :)

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from Pa deer hunter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

We fish and hunt because we enjoy the challenge. but the challenge is different for all of us.Here in Pa we have many fly fishing only sections of streams. Some bait fisherman complain "why can't we fish these streams our money pays for the stocking of these fish too". Now you want to divide fly fisherman too? BAD IDEA!!!

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from ajb wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Hate to jump on the bandwagon, but, like many others, I take issue with this post. For one thing, I don't find dry-fly fishing to be more challenging than nymph fishing. Usually the opposite. For another, when fish aren't looking up, dry fly fishing is a waste of time (assuming your goal is to catch fish, as mine most certainly is). And I haven't even gotten into how a dry-fly only regulation would be enforced, which boggles the mind with creepy Orwellian scenarios. Finally, I really cringed at the "expanding horizons" idea. Isn't that a bit condescending?

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

ajb, It isn't more challenging necessarily, and you are right, a stupid suggestion. But I can say that dry fly fishing is MORE FUN! I can take any one on a float trip, and have them casting big dries down a fishy looking bank, and when that big head comes up to eat their fly, ....no need for drugs. It is a rush of adrenalin! I defy any one of them to park the boat, get out, and catch one on a bobber and nymph, and say it was as much fun!..nothin like seeing that fish come up and eat the dryfly! On top of that if you enjoy casting a fly, it is more pleasurable to cast a dry than cast a bobber and nymph.

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from flyfishpirate wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

Absolutely,

I think it will enhance the quality and purity of the sport and lifestyle.

J

http://flyfishpirate.blogspot.com/

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from Sammaka Fishing wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 1 year 22 weeks ago

This coming from someone who exclusively fly fishes, I must say I laughed out loud when I read this blog post. Who said that a dry fly is superior to a nymph? They are just two different stages of the same insect. Who said the winged version was any way more classy-that's simply a subjective distinction made by some. And for that matter, why in the world should we discriminate between single hooked spinners and flies? Missouri's fly fishing only areas allow single hooked spinners and marabou jigs, and that's best for all I believe.

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from shadbuster wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Fly fishing and dry fly fishing in nothing special and is not especially challenging, same as every other type of fishing you can make it as simple or challenging as you want, depending on your level of commitment. All type of types of fishing methods have a time and place, depending on conditions. I've had times when trout were turning their nose at my rapala's, kastmasters, and live worms, I took out my fly rod drifted a fly and bam had a fish on. I know you fly guys love to spread around the myth that dry fly fishing is something super challenging and special but us guys who do all types of fishing know the truth, that its just another method to catch fish same as any other.

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from Brian Jackson wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Wow! Talk about some elitist sounding snobbery! Fly fishing is already the only form of fishing that has water closed to only flies, now it would be a good idea to have it closed to only one type of lure? Guides who use nymphs and streamers are not using their heads?

I'm mainly a bass fisherman but if I'm throwing a topwater plug all day and not catching them and my buddy is pulling in a limit on a drop-shot rig I'm not going to sniff and tell him that he's not really fishing because he's not using the classic wooden plugs of yore, I'm going to start fishing a drop shot rig. Sometimes the fish won't hit a dry, so that makes it stupid to use a dry.

Anything short of dynamite that gets fish on the line is good for the sport.

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from aferraro wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Some of us who don't fish 100 days a year and (get paid for it) would like a little flexibility. I love to fish dry flies, but if they aren't biting top water, I adapt. I may get to fish 3 x a year without my kids and really don't need dry fly snobs further limiting my recreation. Going out and buy a strike indicator just for you!

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from Bioboy wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Yeah I'm not buying into that one. Although dry fly fishing is great there are sometimes nymphing is just the ticket. Second you mention that using only dries would make us better entomologists, but how can that be true if we ignore the most important insect life stage? Lastly the first flies used were wet flies, so fishing under the surface really is "original" fly fishing in some sense.

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from Muleynut30.06 wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I agree with shadbuster while I am currently trying to get back into fly fishing to me its just another way to catch fish. And if I turn into one of those guys you see on the river who turns his nose up at you because you have a spinning rod and lures I will give up fishing forever that is whats ruining our sport not all the regulations.

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from Micropterus24 wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I agree with previous posts, I'm not buying into this one. If you want to "challenge" yourself by using only dry flies, just use them. You don't need a regulation to force it on you.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

so with this idea, what you are basically proposing is that we get babysat in fishing too? when i fly fish i will use eithr style if it's working. as far as bobbers go, i don't use them. i like how bioguy put it.

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from tkbone wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

If we outlaw beads and bobbers, who are we supremely noble and elitist dry fly fishermen going to be able to look down upon then?! The corn and crawlers guys are just too easy a target.

Once I've caught a few fish one way, I'm usually ready to try something else. It's part ADHD, part natural progression of fishing and learning in general. Let those new to fly fishing actually catch some fish - I think once most folks become proficient at catching trout on nymphs and bobbers they'll naturally want to try more challenging techniques. There's still plenty of fish and water for all to enjoy.

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from vtbluegrass wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Ok the real irony is that the picture chosen to go with an article that suggests dry fly only is a giant gaudy dry fly. I mean look at those rubber legs and the white parachute wings you have there. I mean what are you using 20lb tippets looks like rope inthe picture.

So if you going to go I say go all the way. Dry fly only with only natural materials that you harvested yourself which means farming what you can and trapping the rest. None of this new fangled nylon thread either, I mean you might as well use a night crawler.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I really do not know where to go with this.

My first question would be, "Is dry fly fishing the classic method?". I will argue that wet fly fishing came way before dry fly fishing and should be considered the "classic" or "original" method of fly fishing. I just guessing but my guess is that some of the first fly gear into this country was carried over by the Scots and involved many patterns of salmon flies.

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from Woodstock wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

It's my impression that fly-fishing only regulations are implemented largely as a conservation measure: fly-caught fish have much greater rate of survival than bait-caught fish (based on many catch-and-release studies).

In other words, "fly only" regs aren't so much about creating interest, or making better fly anglers, or trying to force people to achieve a "higher" level of sport; the regs are there mainly to help preserve wild fish.

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from jnagel32 wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Deeter you are a tool. Plain and simple. You get paid to fish and write about it for a living. Try having a real job where you only get to fish once in awhile or when you don't get all your flies and equipment for free. Then talk to me. You are my hero because you can wear a $275 Simms fishing jacket and fish with dry flies. Look down on me because my rod, reel, and line costs less than your jacket and I'm using nymphs with an indicator. Maybe you should see what it's like when you can only fish maybe 1 or 2 times a month. Get lost

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from headforthetropics wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I say: good idea.

I'm a guy who regularly depends on bead-heads, streamers - although I would NEVER stoop so low as to fish with an indicator (heh-heh, that should ruffle a few feathers, but I digress). all this to say that I do own a dry-fly box, and it's packed with a beautiful assortment (so no excuses about never having the correct pattern) BUT, I must confess with some degree of shame, this box rarely sees the light of day. so I would welcome a set of rules that forces me to dip into that relatively unused box. it would certainly make things more challenging - similarly, it would encourage me to search for new, dry-fly-friendly waters. so why not? sounds like as nice a challenge as I'm ever likely to experience.

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Challenge yourself if you want to, but the waters are everyone's. I prefer to bowhunt and am glad there's an extended season for it, but I don't think there should be Archery Only sections of the woods because I like the challenge and wish to either "enlighten" or exclude others. Maybe a catch and release dry-fly only season is a better option?

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from prairieghost wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

no, no, no to this idea. there are days when fish are simply not looking up. nymphing allows us to turn those days around. we need more folks in the sport not less. nymphing allows for success sooner in the learning curve.
guys who nymph or throw streamers are NOT pretenders, just utilizing different tools to catch a few fish.
as for places to fish, CO just had a bloody stream access fight, and the fishermen lost. Utah legislature reversed a court ruling, taking access away. WY is very restrictive. Good, public water is NOT easy to find Deeter.
I'll give up my thingamabobbers when you take them from my cold, dead hands.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Flies like a Muddler Minnow can serve both purposes...fish it floating, and then strip it under, and fish it like a streamer. Maybe that is why Deeter is promoting binoculars on the river...for Game Wardens, that can observe a dry fly guy stripping his dry fly under, and fishing it like a streamer, and throw the cuffs on the dude. :)

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Obviously we all knew it would touch a nerve. If anything I'll admit to being suprised that the posts have been so one sided.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Deeter...Fess up, you were after the nerves! And we both know there ain't nothin like catching a fish on a dry fly!!

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

i like how someone is going around giving -'s to people over something that really is just a matter of opinion. pile 'em on all you want. i'll take 20 more. you really think it matters? what a juvinile!

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Wow! Did Deeter create trouble this time! I took it as a spoof, as not even practical..why just dryfly? On my river, the SF of the Snake, the problem now is to get the fly guy to keep fish!..keep rainbows they say are hurting the cutthroat numbers. The fly guy, the serious ones, have been so indoctrinated into releasing fish they won't kill the rainbows even when the Game Dept puts a tag in them worth a $1,000 when you turn in the dead rainbow for inspection! I am one of them. Just had a guy I took in my boat who said his wife wanted him to bring home a fish, and I told him that would cost him a trip in the future. I do not kill trout from the river.

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from jakenbake wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

When the trout stop eating nymphps, minnows, and any other type of subsurface food, then go ahead and ban the use of wet flies. In the meantime, stop trying to push more folks away from the rivers. We have a hard enough time getting people outside anyways.

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from ryanjameshurd wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I tried, and I can't really find the sympathy for this idea.

But hey, I tried.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

i think there are some "rules" in fly fishing that don't make since. like the thread that mentioned that using a dry with a san juan dropper was taboo. noone has explained to us less informed fly fishers about why that is taboo. now we have this big debate about how beadheads, bobbers and streamers are taboo. i just don't understand that one either. anyone want to explain it to me like i am a 2 year old? i say use what works as long as it's legal. the next thing that will happen is obama is gonna start getting into this issue like he did with college football. just seems like too much regulation. no offense to anyone. JMHO.

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from Big Country wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

My fly rod and reel (bolth of them) don't cost half of what alot of this great gear that people that get paid big money to fish with free gear are using. But then again central Texas dosen't have alot of trout fishing opertunitys. Wait they have some in the decuration at the Cabelas! This is ridiculas to even think of bringing up. (even thow it seems the blogger that brought it up did so to make us all argue about and it worked)This is just another case of what I refer to as "people with to mutch money, not enouph sense, and to mutch free time.

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from wisc14 wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

this idea sucks. public waters are for everyone. in a day when fisherman are declining we should welcome all types to fish out waters.
by the way there is no scientific study that says flyfishing reduces hooking mortality. it doesn't exist

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

headforthetropics,

Is it insecure to object to a hypothetical situation that further restricts waters to one very particular type of fishing?

I suspect if the proposition was "Is it time the (insert body of water here) was posted Size 3/0 or greater circle hooks only?", you'd have something to say about the ridiculousness of waters being essentially denied so many decent and hard working fly fisherman. I would have to agree with you.

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from fflutterffly wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

75-85% of the time fish are feeding under the surface. My clients may drive 200 miles to reach the waters and you expect them to want to try and catch 25% of the fish, at the exact right time of the day. I for one will always begin my day with a dry, just for the fun of it. Plying the edges and watching the water for a little action. When clients come on board I know what there expectations are and it isn't to wait 2 hours for some rise. I agree with many that fishing flies in itself is a study, regardless if they are streamers, BH or flymphs. Already stretches of water are set aside, suggesting that we limit decreasing areas to one kind of fly seems over the top. Let the angler decide what to throw and how to throw it.

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from MLH wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I prefer dry fly fishing - actually find it easier than nymphing. Still takes knowledge about the life cycle of bugs to do it well. Bummer if the rules change and I "run out" of floatant and my dry goes for a swim.

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from Pa deer hunter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

We fish and hunt because we enjoy the challenge. but the challenge is different for all of us.Here in Pa we have many fly fishing only sections of streams. Some bait fisherman complain "why can't we fish these streams our money pays for the stocking of these fish too". Now you want to divide fly fisherman too? BAD IDEA!!!

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from ajb wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Hate to jump on the bandwagon, but, like many others, I take issue with this post. For one thing, I don't find dry-fly fishing to be more challenging than nymph fishing. Usually the opposite. For another, when fish aren't looking up, dry fly fishing is a waste of time (assuming your goal is to catch fish, as mine most certainly is). And I haven't even gotten into how a dry-fly only regulation would be enforced, which boggles the mind with creepy Orwellian scenarios. Finally, I really cringed at the "expanding horizons" idea. Isn't that a bit condescending?

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from Koldkut wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I can't make the call either way, but I would like to know how you would enforce it? Forget the bead heads, I'll wrap the underbody in lead and the warden will do what, cut my flies to check for the lead? I will say that I did foul hook two fish that were facing the bank on Wednesday when I was fishing behind that rock, I believe that was a direct effect from fishing nearly 1/8-3/16oz of weight along with a bead head trailer. Bobbers, who needs those thing....I don't in most cases ;)

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from abbner wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I will admit, and have no problem doing so, that I like my strike indicator/bobber/old-man-sight. Like what Jacksjb was talking about, do what you have to do to make the experience an experience. I don't play by anyone else's ideals but my own so with that said I say sling what you have and adjust if necessary.

As far as private waters goes, I have never understood why there were such things. That was until Wednesday. We have fished a lot around the eastern side of CO and I have yet to see the size and quantity like what we seen on Wednesday anywhere else. I say this, if Golf can have private clubs so I don't see why people have a problem with private fishing clubs.

All complaints, send to Koldkut~!

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

If anything this post is making me question any lingering reservations I have regarding crossbows during archery season.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Deeter, You know it is a bad idea you scoundrel you !! Why not just make it a law that you have to use one of your surgeons knots, and then catch rates will be limited? :) And there aren't a lot of "fly only" waters. There are "floating nymph" flies you also know.

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from kirkdeeter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Hmmmmm. Touched a nerve on this one. Not that I was trying to do so...

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from jcarlin wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Oops, I forgot about the first post. Though the logic strikes me of asking Michelle O to outlaw my cheeseburger because it's just so much fun I'll pass on the celery. I think we're watched enough thank you, and I propose to police my own habits.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Buckhunter...it is a matter of what method is more enjoyable, not what came first. Here is a classic example. Many years ago I took my younger brother on a float trip down the Yakima River in WA St. His approach was "I use ultra lt. spinning tackle, and light lines, and enjoy catching fish as much as you do on the fly." Now he has attached to a flyrod, a dry fly, and off we go. His casts aren't great, but he soon gets a decent float as the boat follows his dry fly along the river bank. The first fish that came up and ate his dry fly, the spinning gear was mothballed, for the most part, there after! Anyone that wouldn't have had the same experience needs consoling.

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from headforthetropics wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

hey all - read the posts and thought I'd add one more thing: you're a pretty insecure lot and you've pretty much embarassed yourselves. I don't 'look down' on the infidels who use streamers (I use 'em myself - often) - even during the few times I am strictly DF fishing. Beyond this, who bloody cares if a dry-fly snob looks down upon us dull normals? WHAT a bunch of whiners! Really, go out & buy a big ol' barrel of self-esteem & grow up. peace!

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from shane wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I'm sure there's someone out there with a bamboo rod, silk line, and all natural flies that thinks Deeter is a total joke, a faker. Maybe he'll try and get all of Deeter's high tech cheater gear banned.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Sayfu, You are right. (again). I was so taken back by this blog I totally lost focus. Not to mention I was hip deep into work while typing.

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from MG wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

"And streamer fishing is bass fishing for trout... let's be perfectly honest about that."

Yea...so what's your point?

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Deeter, Dry flies is one thing, but using rubber legs on your dry flies?. Shame on you. Might as well put "Smelly Jelly" in your fly floatant. :)

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I hope someone had there chest waders on when they crossed this cow pasture to the creek LOL.Now im no tweed,nickerd wearing fly elitest.I LOVE THE PURSUIT OF FISH!My strike indicator is a bent rod with a fish on one end.Id use a kitchen sink if they wernt so hard to unfoul out of the brush."just fish"and relax!

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from kirkdeeter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

All good comments, and good arguments on this thread. I've always said nymph fishing is 3-D fishing, and as much as we love the rise, dry fly fishing is only 2-D... But who here is going to throw down and say nymph fishing is "top of the game?" Who will contend that the guy using a bobber and beadheads is a better angler than the person who can hook them on the dry? Who wouldn't trade 20 bobber strikes for one classic dry fly eat in the film? Be honest...

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from shane wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Some are out there trying to be "elite" and get their name in the paper or face in the film. I don't know about all that, I'm trying to have a good time.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

jamesti, I don't think of it as "rules" just individual groups of fly anglers that have opinions about what is the most pleasurable way to catch fish. Most fly anglers release fish anyway to fight another day. It is, for them, all about enjoying themselves, but why tell others how to enjoy themselves right? If I called a guide, and said that me and my buddy want to take a guide trip, and it will cost us in excess of $500 a day when including the tip,(that's the fee on my river), I want to dry fly fish, not cast a bobber, and nymph. But that's my position, others can have their way of fishing.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

fflutter ffly...Your stats are deceiving. It doesn't matter that only 25% of the time fish feed up top. If you are on a float you can cover a lot more water using attractor patterns drawing fish up, especially fish that are laying along a bank that are there because they are opportunist fish waiting for an easy meal. I need to make no adjustments for water depth. It differs from time to time what is most effective, but overall the dry fly angler, and it also depends on the river, will catch far more fish, then the nymphing angler....BUT, and the key, is you need accomplished casters. If you are a guide you know that. I guided for 20 yrs. If they can't cast, and that is the reason many hire a guide, then you have to fish a strike indicator rather than having them casting along a bank edge. And you are right on about the fly method...ridiculous to even suggest it. Most waters are artificial only, not even restricting it to fly fishing only. And it is that kinda stuff that gets anglers upset at fly anglers.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

ajb, It isn't more challenging necessarily, and you are right, a stupid suggestion. But I can say that dry fly fishing is MORE FUN! I can take any one on a float trip, and have them casting big dries down a fishy looking bank, and when that big head comes up to eat their fly, ....no need for drugs. It is a rush of adrenalin! I defy any one of them to park the boat, get out, and catch one on a bobber and nymph, and say it was as much fun!..nothin like seeing that fish come up and eat the dryfly! On top of that if you enjoy casting a fly, it is more pleasurable to cast a dry than cast a bobber and nymph.

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from flyfishpirate wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

Absolutely,

I think it will enhance the quality and purity of the sport and lifestyle.

J

http://flyfishpirate.blogspot.com/

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from Sammaka Fishing wrote 1 year 28 weeks ago

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from Ozarktroutfisher wrote 1 year 22 weeks ago

This coming from someone who exclusively fly fishes, I must say I laughed out loud when I read this blog post. Who said that a dry fly is superior to a nymph? They are just two different stages of the same insect. Who said the winged version was any way more classy-that's simply a subjective distinction made by some. And for that matter, why in the world should we discriminate between single hooked spinners and flies? Missouri's fly fishing only areas allow single hooked spinners and marabou jigs, and that's best for all I believe.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

MLH..You're on the right page, and have progressed into that small, select group of proficient fly anglers. You may have to stretch the life of your floatant it looks like. Melt it down, and add some shrimp oil maybe. :)

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