


March 06, 2009
Petzal: Some Happy Hacking from Hossom
By David E. Petzal
Here is a quartet of cutlery from Spyderco that got completely by me when it came out about a year and a half ago. Designed by Georgia smith Jerry Hossom (You can see his own work at hossom.com.), they are unusual in several respects. First, the shape. Mr. Hossum believes in function following form; i.e., you come up with a good design and let people figure out how to use it, rather than the other way around. All four knives have the same basic silhouette; they differ only in length and proportion. They range from the Dayhiker which has a 4.5-inch blade and is 10.5 inches overall, to the Forester which has a 9-inch blade and is 15.5 inches overall.
The Hossoms are made in Italy of an Austrian steel called N690Co. I had not heard of it before, but it’s an intriguing alloy, very high in carbon (1.07 percent), chromium (17 percent; 440C, our most popular stainless, is 14 percent) and cobalt (1.50 percent), which imparts great strength.
Their grind is unusual as well. The Hossums are given what is known as a rolled edge which, if you look at it in cross section, is convex, rather than the usual flat or concave profile.
A rolled edge is extremely strong and long-lasting but it’s difficult to form. Japanese swordsmiths grind it by hand on katana blades using a convex water stone, and call it a hamaguri edge. In America it’s called a Moran edge, after the late master smith who formed it with a slack grinding belt. The only others who use it are Cold Steel (on their big Bowies) and now Spyderco.
Because of the high-strength alloy and the rolled edge, hell will freeze before these knives need resharpening (Can you imagine Toshiro Mifune stopping in mid-beheading to touch up his katana?) and Spyderco says that the big Hossums are fine for chopping and hacking.
The handles are gray-green Micarta and the sheaths are made of Boltaron, which looks like Kydex to me, and come with a five-position TekLok belt fastener. You can get all the details here, where you will also see the prices. Do not have a seizure; they are a lot lower on the open market. These are terrific knives, and I am sorry I missed them when they came out. Maybe I should be flogged around the fleet.
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That should be a concave water stone, not convex.
Or keel-hauled at the very least.... LOL
Maybe I am cheap but the lowest price on one of these I could find is about $150 (google shoping search). I think I will hold what I have for now.
A knife that needs little to no sharpening sounds like a little too good to be true to be affordable. I would deffinantly buy if the price was right but I have a slight feeling that this is a product that will be quite costly.
Spyderco makes awesome knives, but doesnt need sharpening? Come on... clean about 20 fat hogs and then see! chopping... hacking? Do they also come with a lifetime warranty and if mi buy one and it becomes dull do i get a new one?!
I read somewhere that Spyderco was coming out with a fixed-blade bushcraft knife based on the Ray Mears Woodlore.
Have you happened to see that one yet? These look cool and Busse-like, but I'm just not that into the big choppers.
To All: Change "never needs sharpening" to "seldom needs sharpening." In any event, they hold an edge a long,long time.
Interesting indeed. I have a Spyderco clipped to my pocket at all times. It is an older Japanese discontinued version that has been used so much that some of the serrations are almost gone. A half serrated knife can be mighty handy when you are around rope tied horses who get into trouble. Believe it or not I also have a genuine Moran that I bought from a fellow who had Mr. Moran make it for him about 25 years ago. Given that maybe I better look into these Hossums as a guy can't have too many knives. Now if I could just locate a couple of excellent throwing tomahawks, better go check my questions in the ANSWERS section.
Dave, thanks for keeping us up on this. I never appreciated the usefulness of a large knife until my wife and kids gave me a Ka-bar for Father's Day. Now I never go into the woods without it on me or in the truck. When I pull it out to split wood, my friends say, "Wow, I didn't know it could do that". The Ka-bar might need a brother and a sister by the names of Spyderco and Fallkniven.
You had a knife test in the Magazine a while back that included a Spyderco fixed blade (FB01) that was designed by Bill Moran. I thought it was an odd knife (had the same sheath as above knife). I happened to stumble into one at a Cabela's and when I held it I fell in love. I have never felt anything so light and well balanced and from your test I know that I can hammer it in to a stump and it will be OK. Well I finally found one at a price I like and I will own it soon.
Thanks for the input,
Spud
Good post Dave. I like knowing which steels are in the most modern blades but I still want an old fashioned leather sheath. How about a future post in which you give us your wisdom on caring for leather products like sheaths and slings? I am afraid fine leather is going the way of all the lovely wood.
to PbHead: If you're looking for a source of leather sheaths, made for your knife, plain or fancy, cheap or expensive, go to treestumpleather.com. Chris Kravitt has probably made 20 for me over the years.
Victory is right pigskin will dull any knife fast.
Do I have to send it to Japan for sharpening? I'm glad the blade is made of unobtainium, and that it costs somewhat less than an aircraft carrier, but about $60 will get you a knife that does the job from Buck, and it comes in a nice leather sheath. Unfortunately for the folks who make and sell them, it will outlast you and probably your kids too.
Dave:
I believe Toshiro Mifune did indeed get his katana sharpened in "Samurai II, but not during a fight. I am a Shintaro Katsu "Zatoichi" fan myself. Never piss off the blind swordsman.
Sorry but I'll stick with my Estwing fixed hunter. It works great and its made in the USA.
to be honest that is just to expensive for me!
I guess the thought of a knife that I can't resharpen myself goes against the grain. A knife is the simplest tool there is; I can see paying to have a computer fixed, but having to sharpen a knife with a credit card just never had any appeal. Spyderco makes great knives and I have a couple, but they can keep that one.
I don't know about the price, but if I were planning a fly-in, or pack hunt; I would give serious thought to getting one of these knives!
I don't think a flogging around the fleet would be appropriate for missing the appearance of a new knife, but I think a flogging on general principles is a very good idea. General principles being; 1) you have more guns than I,2) you have more and better knives than I,3) you get to hunt more exotic places than I, 4) you like cats!!
I'll think of other good reasons, and list them later.
Not too many years ago I told my wife, "Whatever happens, don't let me buy a knife that costs more than a hundred dollars."
Much as I'd like some exquisite knives -- I still think that was a good move. If it's useful you want, you really can find it for less than a hundred!
PS = this whole thing about Dave Petzal liking cats -- I think he's just proving his manhood.
There's a few biker types in my neighborhood who think they are especially ferocious because they have Pit Bull Terriers. They strut around the neighborhood with their dogs on chain leashes wearing studded collars. Big deal. The biker dude that I'm afraid of is the one who is crazy enough to walk down the street with his french poodle! The other guys are saying, "Better beware of my dog!" That guy is saying "you'd better beware of me!"
Dave, I'm giving you a wide berth if you walk down my street strokin' some cat.
What happened to the old knife grandpa gave you?
Knives? I thought you were the gun nut.
as with many things, you get what you pay for. knifes, for the most part, are the same way. if i was REALL STUCK , out in a true survival situation. i would much rather have a really good knife with me, than a $10.00 special. but for around home, and the garage, i will stick with my $10.00 specials. if i ruin one, i wont feel bad at all.
I have strange luck with knives. When I 1st outfitted myself for SCUBA diving the 'The Knife' by Scubapro caught my fancy. Cost me $40 and I lost it on the 1st dive. I went thru several more knives until I bought a 'garanteed to rust' one made of Chineese SS(circa 1977) for $8. The $8 knife dove with me around the world for 25 years and is still in one of my tool boxes. So I guess I'm saying , buy enuff knife and nothing more. I usually buy from the low end of the Gerber line. Good, dependable knives. Usually buy two at a time as that significantly shortens the mourning time when one is lost :-)
I am sure it is a great knife, but I will stick to my Gerber's. I bought the new Bell & carlson Gerber Gator this year and plan on using it until I die. In my opinion it it the perfect all around knife.
Nice knife, but I'll stick with my Cold Steel knives. Spyderco are ok, but way too overpriced for the quality. Surprisingly, the best one I ever used was my father's old Boy Scout Sheath Knife made by Marbles. Polished Steel Blade, not stainless, sharper than a razor and holds an edge like no other knife I've used.
To all: I've been a knife nut as long as I've been a gun nut.
Cats are terrific animals. They're lazy, self-centered, murderous, eccentric, and mostly mute. These are all qualities I admire in human beings, and cats cost less to feed.
The Hossum knives sharpen very easily. I took two of them from near-razor sharp to supernatural in less than a minute each on a Crock Stick. Some steels fight the sharpener; the Hossums' steel does not.
An old man once told me:
"In the mountains knives and rifles quickly become nothing more than tools", "Never take anything to the mountains that you can't replace because it might not come back", and regarding your health and well being "The mountains don't care".
I choose all my equipment carefully prior to a trip deep into the hills and take care of it when there. It usually takes care of me.
By the way I have an old spayed solid white female cat who lives outside 24/7 12 months of the year regardless of temperature. She turns down efforts to have her visit the laundry room on a subzero evening. I don't even know where she sleeps as she only shows up to eat at night. Her ears are short and round from frostbite. I have had her 14 years and she was an adult when I got her. Very gentle with people. One tough old gal who is loved by the entire family.
I love it when a gun scribe writes about knives. A knife, like a pair of shoes, tells a lot about a man....and when a shooter has passable preferences for knives and sharpening them, some of us are convinced that he also probably knows about firearms, too. We could be wrong, of course. But if Petzel pulled out an beaten up old Boker Barlow and started skinning out his deer, I, for one, would break out in big old grin.
Nice post, Dave.
Blue
If you use a Spyderco sharpener on a rolled edge you end up with a flat edge... a sharp flat edge, but not a rolled edge. You need a credit card to get one of those.
As for dogs vs cats, I am reminded of the words of a wise man; a dog says, "You feed me, shelter me, love me and take care of me... you must be God!" Whereas a cat says, "You feed me, shelter me, love me and take care of me... I must be God!" My wife and daughters have cats; I have dogs.
ish, focus,
I've had, have, or had both animals. I like them all, the ones in dire straits gets the most attention.
There is no useful purpose to have cats unless they are good mousers, we have had several cats over the years, only one was worthwhile and earned his keep, and he was the only cat I ever shed a tear for when he died.
Dogs on the other hand are a deterrent to people considering breaking into your home at the very least, which makes them worth the room they take up. We have a Rottweiler for just this reason, she will hold up an intruder long enough for me to wake up and retire the thug.
As to the knives, good Lord I can buy a cheap pistol for what they want for them! What can you possibly put into a knife to make it cost over $100?????
Use the cheap pistol to shoot a few lazy cats?
Zermoid:
I feel like you do. A knife that takes a lot of hand fitting would be one thing; you'd probably have to pay $10 for a handmade paper clip these days. So I understand why you have to pay $300 for a DiamondBlade friction forged blade. But for a factory knife that's mostly machine made, especially a simple design like a fixed blade with a matte polish and composite handle, I too wonder what we are getting for our money. Maybe it's the rolled edge.
Petzal must be overpaid
I agree with DEP. I like cats, bar-b-qued, fried, grilled, or just running around being cats. As for the knives, I probably will never have anything that pricey in my inventory, A, because I like what I have, and B, because I am perfectly capable of sharpening a knife, axe, hand axe, etc., etc.
On the other hand, check out the Larado Bowie
on the Cold Steel website. Now there is a useful tool for urban warfare, walking your poodle dog, large pine trees, picking your teeth, or skinning cats!
Wow--Outstanding comments!!!--Spyderco is the mercedes of fixed and folding blades. As stated above I've got a endura folder fm the 80's ans still works as good today as day it was bought!! and just as sharp!! I've never saved enuff to get a fixed blade yet but this one look's like a good choice. If U can't locate a certain knife chk out Big Mike at knifeandgunshow.com also on TV sat. nite 8-10P on dish #217. also let me totally agree w/many of U that a man can never have 2many knives.Now the bravest of uall call my wife and tell her That!! Keep um SharP Carry On YOC
as far as long lasting edges i know a old SOG guy who bought his "hunting knife" in the late 60' and claims it can hold an edge after cutting through the roof of a car, has never lost its black and must be sent away to be resharpened though he has never had to in 50 years. and as for dogs and cats. ive had and love both. but as robert heinlein said, cats are independent creatures, while a dog no matter how hard he tries will be nothing but a slave.
David E. Petzal,
I realize you can't test the edge but based on what you see here what do you think about this knife? Hope the link works. If not I'll try again.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350182802308&ih=022&c...
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Do I have to send it to Japan for sharpening? I'm glad the blade is made of unobtainium, and that it costs somewhat less than an aircraft carrier, but about $60 will get you a knife that does the job from Buck, and it comes in a nice leather sheath. Unfortunately for the folks who make and sell them, it will outlast you and probably your kids too.
I don't think a flogging around the fleet would be appropriate for missing the appearance of a new knife, but I think a flogging on general principles is a very good idea. General principles being; 1) you have more guns than I,2) you have more and better knives than I,3) you get to hunt more exotic places than I, 4) you like cats!!
I'll think of other good reasons, and list them later.
If you use a Spyderco sharpener on a rolled edge you end up with a flat edge... a sharp flat edge, but not a rolled edge. You need a credit card to get one of those.
As for dogs vs cats, I am reminded of the words of a wise man; a dog says, "You feed me, shelter me, love me and take care of me... you must be God!" Whereas a cat says, "You feed me, shelter me, love me and take care of me... I must be God!" My wife and daughters have cats; I have dogs.
Good post Dave. I like knowing which steels are in the most modern blades but I still want an old fashioned leather sheath. How about a future post in which you give us your wisdom on caring for leather products like sheaths and slings? I am afraid fine leather is going the way of all the lovely wood.
What happened to the old knife grandpa gave you?
An old man once told me:
"In the mountains knives and rifles quickly become nothing more than tools", "Never take anything to the mountains that you can't replace because it might not come back", and regarding your health and well being "The mountains don't care".
I choose all my equipment carefully prior to a trip deep into the hills and take care of it when there. It usually takes care of me.
By the way I have an old spayed solid white female cat who lives outside 24/7 12 months of the year regardless of temperature. She turns down efforts to have her visit the laundry room on a subzero evening. I don't even know where she sleeps as she only shows up to eat at night. Her ears are short and round from frostbite. I have had her 14 years and she was an adult when I got her. Very gentle with people. One tough old gal who is loved by the entire family.
I love it when a gun scribe writes about knives. A knife, like a pair of shoes, tells a lot about a man....and when a shooter has passable preferences for knives and sharpening them, some of us are convinced that he also probably knows about firearms, too. We could be wrong, of course. But if Petzel pulled out an beaten up old Boker Barlow and started skinning out his deer, I, for one, would break out in big old grin.
Nice post, Dave.
Blue
Maybe I am cheap but the lowest price on one of these I could find is about $150 (google shoping search). I think I will hold what I have for now.
A knife that needs little to no sharpening sounds like a little too good to be true to be affordable. I would deffinantly buy if the price was right but I have a slight feeling that this is a product that will be quite costly.
Spyderco makes awesome knives, but doesnt need sharpening? Come on... clean about 20 fat hogs and then see! chopping... hacking? Do they also come with a lifetime warranty and if mi buy one and it becomes dull do i get a new one?!
To All: Change "never needs sharpening" to "seldom needs sharpening." In any event, they hold an edge a long,long time.
Interesting indeed. I have a Spyderco clipped to my pocket at all times. It is an older Japanese discontinued version that has been used so much that some of the serrations are almost gone. A half serrated knife can be mighty handy when you are around rope tied horses who get into trouble. Believe it or not I also have a genuine Moran that I bought from a fellow who had Mr. Moran make it for him about 25 years ago. Given that maybe I better look into these Hossums as a guy can't have too many knives. Now if I could just locate a couple of excellent throwing tomahawks, better go check my questions in the ANSWERS section.
Dave, thanks for keeping us up on this. I never appreciated the usefulness of a large knife until my wife and kids gave me a Ka-bar for Father's Day. Now I never go into the woods without it on me or in the truck. When I pull it out to split wood, my friends say, "Wow, I didn't know it could do that". The Ka-bar might need a brother and a sister by the names of Spyderco and Fallkniven.
You had a knife test in the Magazine a while back that included a Spyderco fixed blade (FB01) that was designed by Bill Moran. I thought it was an odd knife (had the same sheath as above knife). I happened to stumble into one at a Cabela's and when I held it I fell in love. I have never felt anything so light and well balanced and from your test I know that I can hammer it in to a stump and it will be OK. Well I finally found one at a price I like and I will own it soon.
Thanks for the input,
Spud
to PbHead: If you're looking for a source of leather sheaths, made for your knife, plain or fancy, cheap or expensive, go to treestumpleather.com. Chris Kravitt has probably made 20 for me over the years.
PS = this whole thing about Dave Petzal liking cats -- I think he's just proving his manhood.
There's a few biker types in my neighborhood who think they are especially ferocious because they have Pit Bull Terriers. They strut around the neighborhood with their dogs on chain leashes wearing studded collars. Big deal. The biker dude that I'm afraid of is the one who is crazy enough to walk down the street with his french poodle! The other guys are saying, "Better beware of my dog!" That guy is saying "you'd better beware of me!"
Dave, I'm giving you a wide berth if you walk down my street strokin' some cat.
To all: I've been a knife nut as long as I've been a gun nut.
Cats are terrific animals. They're lazy, self-centered, murderous, eccentric, and mostly mute. These are all qualities I admire in human beings, and cats cost less to feed.
The Hossum knives sharpen very easily. I took two of them from near-razor sharp to supernatural in less than a minute each on a Crock Stick. Some steels fight the sharpener; the Hossums' steel does not.
There is no useful purpose to have cats unless they are good mousers, we have had several cats over the years, only one was worthwhile and earned his keep, and he was the only cat I ever shed a tear for when he died.
Dogs on the other hand are a deterrent to people considering breaking into your home at the very least, which makes them worth the room they take up. We have a Rottweiler for just this reason, she will hold up an intruder long enough for me to wake up and retire the thug.
As to the knives, good Lord I can buy a cheap pistol for what they want for them! What can you possibly put into a knife to make it cost over $100?????
Zermoid:
I feel like you do. A knife that takes a lot of hand fitting would be one thing; you'd probably have to pay $10 for a handmade paper clip these days. So I understand why you have to pay $300 for a DiamondBlade friction forged blade. But for a factory knife that's mostly machine made, especially a simple design like a fixed blade with a matte polish and composite handle, I too wonder what we are getting for our money. Maybe it's the rolled edge.
I agree with DEP. I like cats, bar-b-qued, fried, grilled, or just running around being cats. As for the knives, I probably will never have anything that pricey in my inventory, A, because I like what I have, and B, because I am perfectly capable of sharpening a knife, axe, hand axe, etc., etc.
On the other hand, check out the Larado Bowie
on the Cold Steel website. Now there is a useful tool for urban warfare, walking your poodle dog, large pine trees, picking your teeth, or skinning cats!
That should be a concave water stone, not convex.
Or keel-hauled at the very least.... LOL
I read somewhere that Spyderco was coming out with a fixed-blade bushcraft knife based on the Ray Mears Woodlore.
Have you happened to see that one yet? These look cool and Busse-like, but I'm just not that into the big choppers.
Victory is right pigskin will dull any knife fast.
Dave:
I believe Toshiro Mifune did indeed get his katana sharpened in "Samurai II, but not during a fight. I am a Shintaro Katsu "Zatoichi" fan myself. Never piss off the blind swordsman.
Sorry but I'll stick with my Estwing fixed hunter. It works great and its made in the USA.
to be honest that is just to expensive for me!
I guess the thought of a knife that I can't resharpen myself goes against the grain. A knife is the simplest tool there is; I can see paying to have a computer fixed, but having to sharpen a knife with a credit card just never had any appeal. Spyderco makes great knives and I have a couple, but they can keep that one.
I don't know about the price, but if I were planning a fly-in, or pack hunt; I would give serious thought to getting one of these knives!
Not too many years ago I told my wife, "Whatever happens, don't let me buy a knife that costs more than a hundred dollars."
Much as I'd like some exquisite knives -- I still think that was a good move. If it's useful you want, you really can find it for less than a hundred!
Knives? I thought you were the gun nut.
as with many things, you get what you pay for. knifes, for the most part, are the same way. if i was REALL STUCK , out in a true survival situation. i would much rather have a really good knife with me, than a $10.00 special. but for around home, and the garage, i will stick with my $10.00 specials. if i ruin one, i wont feel bad at all.
I have strange luck with knives. When I 1st outfitted myself for SCUBA diving the 'The Knife' by Scubapro caught my fancy. Cost me $40 and I lost it on the 1st dive. I went thru several more knives until I bought a 'garanteed to rust' one made of Chineese SS(circa 1977) for $8. The $8 knife dove with me around the world for 25 years and is still in one of my tool boxes. So I guess I'm saying , buy enuff knife and nothing more. I usually buy from the low end of the Gerber line. Good, dependable knives. Usually buy two at a time as that significantly shortens the mourning time when one is lost :-)
I am sure it is a great knife, but I will stick to my Gerber's. I bought the new Bell & carlson Gerber Gator this year and plan on using it until I die. In my opinion it it the perfect all around knife.
Nice knife, but I'll stick with my Cold Steel knives. Spyderco are ok, but way too overpriced for the quality. Surprisingly, the best one I ever used was my father's old Boy Scout Sheath Knife made by Marbles. Polished Steel Blade, not stainless, sharper than a razor and holds an edge like no other knife I've used.
ish, focus,
I've had, have, or had both animals. I like them all, the ones in dire straits gets the most attention.
Use the cheap pistol to shoot a few lazy cats?
Petzal must be overpaid
Wow--Outstanding comments!!!--Spyderco is the mercedes of fixed and folding blades. As stated above I've got a endura folder fm the 80's ans still works as good today as day it was bought!! and just as sharp!! I've never saved enuff to get a fixed blade yet but this one look's like a good choice. If U can't locate a certain knife chk out Big Mike at knifeandgunshow.com also on TV sat. nite 8-10P on dish #217. also let me totally agree w/many of U that a man can never have 2many knives.Now the bravest of uall call my wife and tell her That!! Keep um SharP Carry On YOC
as far as long lasting edges i know a old SOG guy who bought his "hunting knife" in the late 60' and claims it can hold an edge after cutting through the roof of a car, has never lost its black and must be sent away to be resharpened though he has never had to in 50 years. and as for dogs and cats. ive had and love both. but as robert heinlein said, cats are independent creatures, while a dog no matter how hard he tries will be nothing but a slave.
David E. Petzal,
I realize you can't test the edge but based on what you see here what do you think about this knife? Hope the link works. If not I'll try again.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350182802308&ih=022&c...
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