


May 13, 2009
Petzal: Talley Makes the Best Scope Mounts
By David E. Petzal

There is little doubt in my military mind that right now, Talley scope mounts are the best thing out there (unless you’re looking for tactical mounts, in which case you look at Leupold Mark 4s). Talley makes a number of systems, but the one I’m referring to is the Fixed Ring, which is actually the second generation. (The first generation is the Quick-Detachable, which you don’t need unless you have serious iron sights as well as a scope.)
The Fixed Ring system is simplicity itself. Each ring is split vertically and connected at the bottom by a massive honking Torx-head screw and at the top by a second Torx-head screw that honks a little less loudly. The rings fit into bases that have a recoil lug front and back, and they have nowhere to go under recoil. There are no joints anywhere, and when properly torqued down, nothing budges, ever.
I have Talleys on all of my hard-kicking rifles—Fixed-rings on three .338s and a .338 Remington Ultra Mag and QDs on a .416 Remington and a .450 Dakota that will show you visions of the next world after a few shots. The machining is impeccable, the prices are reasonable, and there are enough variations in finish, ring height, ring diameter, plus extension bases, that you can get any scope on any rifle. Probably the most eloquent testimonial to Talley’s quality is the number of custom gun builders who choose them. It must be something like 90 percent from what I’ve seen.
You may be saying to yourself, “Well, it looks like Talley reached the old bastard to get press like that,” and you would be correct. A few years ago Talley president Gary Turner bought me a catfish sandwich, and it was a damn good one. Talleyrings.com.
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Well i hope the sandwhich tasted good, because it sounds to me like that is a damn good scope. I'm gonna have to see if I can get me one of those.
Nate
When I ordered my last Cooper rifle, I had the choice of Talley or Leupold mounts and I chose the Talley. Even on the light recoiling little Jackson rifle, the Talleys seem to add a touch of style to an already sweet rifle.
Don't feel bad, Mr. Petzal. The catfish sandwich has proved the undoing of many a high-minded journalist.
DEP -- Quick detachable are great for muzzeloaders bsides the iron sights issue. It gives the cleaner the option to remove the scope before what is typically a messy job.
All that for a catfish sandwich? You sir, are a cheap and easy date. Do you have a sister?
Customer service is excellent too. I need the detachable mounts for my Austin/Halleck muzzleloader which is not the most common in-line out there. Talley was very helpful, and the base and rings are awesome. I've never had a problem with maintaining a zero, and every time I go to the range I make sure to shoot both with iron sights and the scope.
Mr. Petzal:
Just how big a rifle can you mount a windage adjustable rear base on before it shears the screws off?
I've been using the old weaver, but
if Talley has the massive honking Torx-head screw you say, I'm switching!! Never had a problem except trying to line the verticle cross hairs with the bore with no tilt in the rifle for those extreme shots.
the hardest kicking guns i own are a 12 gauge slug gun and a .35 whelen. neither is all that impressive with recoil and the millet rings i have seem to hold the scope well enough, albeit a leupold scope.
Dave I disagree on the Talley's being the best mounts available. For many years, when rifles all had sights we used the Weaver mounts and quick Det rings. The the mfgrs stopped adding the sights and all rifles (or most) were slick bbls. I was going on a much desired Rocky Mtn hunt for Elk/Mulies and wanted a new rifle, scope, mounts. After looking at all the set ups at BAss i elected to go with Leupolds Dual Dove Tail mounts.I got them mounted and scoped wih a Nikon Monarch and zeroed at 200 yds + 1". My Rem. custom shop 700's ( a 30-06 and a 25-06) have been to the Rockies yearly for the past l2 yrs and the scope has maintaied zero thru all the baggage handles (as they try to burst the cases apart) and to this day both firearms have maintained the same zero as on the onset. So no way will I ever mount a scope on any rifle without the Leupold DDT set up. But again,success is what matters, And what-ever works for you that's what you should use. However I do think all steel mounts are better than Allum. Shoot-um-straight and often.
Talleys are indeed all Petzal says they are. The only negative thing I can say is that personally I think they are a bit on the ugly side when compared to Conetrols or a few others. However if ugly works the best then so be it. I dislike catfish and my best friend owns Taylor Grocery in Taylor Mississippi which sells the absolute finest catfish meals in the world. Check it out on the net. Lynn has won about every award available including some issued from the high class food magazines. Don't tell him I don't care for catfish, even his. You can tell him I love Talleys but he won't give a damn.
Talley prices are reasonable. and an easy design thats for sure. I have had good success with Leupold setups for years now, so I don't see myself changing anytime soon.
As for a catfish sandwich, I took you more for beef man,Dave, so if you are ever in my part of town I'll burn a steak or burger for ya. No strings attached.
I've used Leopold and Weaver mounts with no problems. The only mounts I ever had that gave trouble was a set of see-throughs that I think I got from Sears about thirty years ago. This blog surprises me only because I haven't heard of a bad scope mount for a long time. I guess Talleys are the best of a good bunch. But then I don't shoot .450 Dakotas, either.
DEP what do you think of Buehler or Burris mounts?
Personally, I only have Leupold mounts on my rifles, but that is just me. I do think stell rings will hold up better than alloy ones, but aian, thatis my opinion. Then again after I bit an aliminum can apart in my college days, like Bunny in the movie "Platoon," someone pointed out to me those cans were steel. I hope you get my drift.
I meant steel rings.
By the way, I'm a little lit, found out I need another surgery for my melanoma today.
Which would explain my typos.
Catfish, on the other hand, I know nothing about. I've had catfish to die for and catfish to die from. No rhyme or reason. If Dave is still thinking about that catfish sandwich years later, it must have been one of the good ones.
Jere A. Sorry to hear about the Melanoms, that some nasty %$#@
Mwlanoma* just typing the word, heightened my "Pucker Factor" %&$#
I must agree, but also add a +1 to customer service. I called their customer service line to get some replacement screws for an Encore base I wanted to put on a 12ga turkey barrel, the ones that came with my 1pc M/L base were too long for the thin walled Encore turkey bbl. I also had an issue with striping out the mount screws, I torqued way too much. Well, I got the speak with Gary Turner. Not only did he take care of my, not the company's issues, but he also was the person who answered the phone when I called in and he took the time to explain to me how to correctly torque the mount screws. That tells me a lot about the person and the company, Class Act. If I ever meet Gary Turner in person, the catfish sandwich's are on me.
My, times do change. In the old days, you could buy a journalist for a bottle of cheap rye whiskey. Now it's catfish sandwiches. Regardless, Talleys are the best rings I have ever used, period.
Michael
to idduckhtr: Burris are fine, as are Beuhler, which I don't think are made any more. The Buehler's were complicated, with all the little shims you had to peel away, but once you finally got them on the rifle they were fine.
I'll have to take your word for it Mr. Petzal. I have used Leupold's(scopes/mounts) for years now, and as the saying goes. "If it ain't broke DON"T fix it". So, how good WAS that sandwitch?
Most of my mounts are Redfield or Leupold, but I do have one set of Talleys and two Buehlers, which like Dave said, are no longer being made. He is right too that they were complicated to assemble with all the shims. If I were mounting scopes on a number of rifles today, I'd go with the Talley mount.
I see I'll have to give Tally rings a close look. Local retailers don't carry them, and I rarely buy what I don't inspect or what hasn't been recommended by a reliable source.
I really don't have any hard kicking rifles so I am not sure if I would be needing some of the talley scope mounts. But they do sound like some damn good scope mounts.
DP
I have had great success with Leupold and Burris bases and rings, particlarly the Leupold Dual Dovetail setup. I have been transitioning all my mounts to DDT since the adjustable rear bases are not necessary for a properly drilled receiver and are a potential source for torque problems. But those Talley setups look mighty fine, too.
Dave, do you lap those Talley rings the same way you (should) do the conventional style? What about Warne rings? I think they have dual Torx screws vice the single ones on Talley's.
When I worked retail selling firearms, I took a "course" thru an NRA certified instructor in scope mounting. He said that most rings are not "lapped" anymore for smoothness anymore since most retail smiths just don't take the time to do it.Many even feel with the products out there whether it's necessary to do anyway?
WHAT SAY YOU MR.PETZAL?
Ralph the Rifleman
Good question!
For years I tried to torque the screws super tight like I did on my 56 Chevy heads. Even Leupold said in the dark ages to torque the screws as tight as possible. It was in the old Leupold mounting booklet that came with the scope. Not anymore, they now say 15 inch pounds is enough "ump" for the scope rings. This change came about because scopes sent in for repair had the "crush ring" on most if not all of the scopes returned. I used to lap all my rings but then I found out bad things that will happen that clearly over comes the good, "ie" the knife edge you get when you over do the lapping not to mention the loss in clamping power when top and bottom flange meets before you reach an acceptable torque setting.I found a happy medium, I now use the Warne 25 inch pound Torque wrench. Dave I also like Talley rings but Warne rings work just as well and they don't cost near as much as Talley. There is a good article on Chuck Hawks site about scope rings that is not biased. I don't know about the rest of the gun shooters on this blog but I don't plan to jump out of an airplane or land on some remote hostile beach with weapon in tow. Now I might fall out of my stand, in which case, knocking my scope out of adjustment using rings other than Talley or Leupold would not be my main concern.
Again to each his own. What works for one may not work for the other. So Use wah you like.
I have Talley one piece mounts on all my TC Encore barrels. Good solid mounts indeed, and the best price out there that I found.
Talley LW one piece mounts are on all of my rifles except the Weatherby. It has the steel rings and bases. In my opinion they are better than Leupold rings.
I don't understand anyone paying $l.000 + for a rifle, $500.00+ for a scope then put Waly-world Alum mounts on the outfit. Scope bases, rings ae like Ammo, buy the best available as thats what keeps your firearmon 0 when needed.
I've got Talley QD rings on my Model 70 Safari Express in .416 Remington magnum, and can remove the scope and reattach it with no noticeable change in zero. These Talleys, by the way, hold a Leupold Vari-X III (older model) variable 1-5X scope. I figure that if I ever needed to remove the scope for a hairy situation, I wouldn't have a quarter on me to turn the knobs on those other guys' rings. I put the levers on the left side so that they wouldn't interfere with cartridge ejection. Whenever I get my next rifle, it will definitely have Talley mounts and rings!
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All that for a catfish sandwich? You sir, are a cheap and easy date. Do you have a sister?
Dave I disagree on the Talley's being the best mounts available. For many years, when rifles all had sights we used the Weaver mounts and quick Det rings. The the mfgrs stopped adding the sights and all rifles (or most) were slick bbls. I was going on a much desired Rocky Mtn hunt for Elk/Mulies and wanted a new rifle, scope, mounts. After looking at all the set ups at BAss i elected to go with Leupolds Dual Dove Tail mounts.I got them mounted and scoped wih a Nikon Monarch and zeroed at 200 yds + 1". My Rem. custom shop 700's ( a 30-06 and a 25-06) have been to the Rockies yearly for the past l2 yrs and the scope has maintaied zero thru all the baggage handles (as they try to burst the cases apart) and to this day both firearms have maintained the same zero as on the onset. So no way will I ever mount a scope on any rifle without the Leupold DDT set up. But again,success is what matters, And what-ever works for you that's what you should use. However I do think all steel mounts are better than Allum. Shoot-um-straight and often.
I've been using the old weaver, but
if Talley has the massive honking Torx-head screw you say, I'm switching!! Never had a problem except trying to line the verticle cross hairs with the bore with no tilt in the rifle for those extreme shots.
Well i hope the sandwhich tasted good, because it sounds to me like that is a damn good scope. I'm gonna have to see if I can get me one of those.
Nate
When I ordered my last Cooper rifle, I had the choice of Talley or Leupold mounts and I chose the Talley. Even on the light recoiling little Jackson rifle, the Talleys seem to add a touch of style to an already sweet rifle.
Don't feel bad, Mr. Petzal. The catfish sandwich has proved the undoing of many a high-minded journalist.
DEP -- Quick detachable are great for muzzeloaders bsides the iron sights issue. It gives the cleaner the option to remove the scope before what is typically a messy job.
Customer service is excellent too. I need the detachable mounts for my Austin/Halleck muzzleloader which is not the most common in-line out there. Talley was very helpful, and the base and rings are awesome. I've never had a problem with maintaining a zero, and every time I go to the range I make sure to shoot both with iron sights and the scope.
the hardest kicking guns i own are a 12 gauge slug gun and a .35 whelen. neither is all that impressive with recoil and the millet rings i have seem to hold the scope well enough, albeit a leupold scope.
Talleys are indeed all Petzal says they are. The only negative thing I can say is that personally I think they are a bit on the ugly side when compared to Conetrols or a few others. However if ugly works the best then so be it. I dislike catfish and my best friend owns Taylor Grocery in Taylor Mississippi which sells the absolute finest catfish meals in the world. Check it out on the net. Lynn has won about every award available including some issued from the high class food magazines. Don't tell him I don't care for catfish, even his. You can tell him I love Talleys but he won't give a damn.
Talley prices are reasonable. and an easy design thats for sure. I have had good success with Leupold setups for years now, so I don't see myself changing anytime soon.
As for a catfish sandwich, I took you more for beef man,Dave, so if you are ever in my part of town I'll burn a steak or burger for ya. No strings attached.
I've used Leopold and Weaver mounts with no problems. The only mounts I ever had that gave trouble was a set of see-throughs that I think I got from Sears about thirty years ago. This blog surprises me only because I haven't heard of a bad scope mount for a long time. I guess Talleys are the best of a good bunch. But then I don't shoot .450 Dakotas, either.
Personally, I only have Leupold mounts on my rifles, but that is just me. I do think stell rings will hold up better than alloy ones, but aian, thatis my opinion. Then again after I bit an aliminum can apart in my college days, like Bunny in the movie "Platoon," someone pointed out to me those cans were steel. I hope you get my drift.
I meant steel rings.
By the way, I'm a little lit, found out I need another surgery for my melanoma today.
Which would explain my typos.
Catfish, on the other hand, I know nothing about. I've had catfish to die for and catfish to die from. No rhyme or reason. If Dave is still thinking about that catfish sandwich years later, it must have been one of the good ones.
Jere A. Sorry to hear about the Melanoms, that some nasty %$#@
When I worked retail selling firearms, I took a "course" thru an NRA certified instructor in scope mounting. He said that most rings are not "lapped" anymore for smoothness anymore since most retail smiths just don't take the time to do it.Many even feel with the products out there whether it's necessary to do anyway?
WHAT SAY YOU MR.PETZAL?
For years I tried to torque the screws super tight like I did on my 56 Chevy heads. Even Leupold said in the dark ages to torque the screws as tight as possible. It was in the old Leupold mounting booklet that came with the scope. Not anymore, they now say 15 inch pounds is enough "ump" for the scope rings. This change came about because scopes sent in for repair had the "crush ring" on most if not all of the scopes returned. I used to lap all my rings but then I found out bad things that will happen that clearly over comes the good, "ie" the knife edge you get when you over do the lapping not to mention the loss in clamping power when top and bottom flange meets before you reach an acceptable torque setting.I found a happy medium, I now use the Warne 25 inch pound Torque wrench. Dave I also like Talley rings but Warne rings work just as well and they don't cost near as much as Talley. There is a good article on Chuck Hawks site about scope rings that is not biased. I don't know about the rest of the gun shooters on this blog but I don't plan to jump out of an airplane or land on some remote hostile beach with weapon in tow. Now I might fall out of my stand, in which case, knocking my scope out of adjustment using rings other than Talley or Leupold would not be my main concern.
Mr. Petzal:
Just how big a rifle can you mount a windage adjustable rear base on before it shears the screws off?
DEP what do you think of Buehler or Burris mounts?
I must agree, but also add a +1 to customer service. I called their customer service line to get some replacement screws for an Encore base I wanted to put on a 12ga turkey barrel, the ones that came with my 1pc M/L base were too long for the thin walled Encore turkey bbl. I also had an issue with striping out the mount screws, I torqued way too much. Well, I got the speak with Gary Turner. Not only did he take care of my, not the company's issues, but he also was the person who answered the phone when I called in and he took the time to explain to me how to correctly torque the mount screws. That tells me a lot about the person and the company, Class Act. If I ever meet Gary Turner in person, the catfish sandwich's are on me.
My, times do change. In the old days, you could buy a journalist for a bottle of cheap rye whiskey. Now it's catfish sandwiches. Regardless, Talleys are the best rings I have ever used, period.
Michael
to idduckhtr: Burris are fine, as are Beuhler, which I don't think are made any more. The Buehler's were complicated, with all the little shims you had to peel away, but once you finally got them on the rifle they were fine.
I'll have to take your word for it Mr. Petzal. I have used Leupold's(scopes/mounts) for years now, and as the saying goes. "If it ain't broke DON"T fix it". So, how good WAS that sandwitch?
Most of my mounts are Redfield or Leupold, but I do have one set of Talleys and two Buehlers, which like Dave said, are no longer being made. He is right too that they were complicated to assemble with all the shims. If I were mounting scopes on a number of rifles today, I'd go with the Talley mount.
I see I'll have to give Tally rings a close look. Local retailers don't carry them, and I rarely buy what I don't inspect or what hasn't been recommended by a reliable source.
I really don't have any hard kicking rifles so I am not sure if I would be needing some of the talley scope mounts. But they do sound like some damn good scope mounts.
DP
I have had great success with Leupold and Burris bases and rings, particlarly the Leupold Dual Dovetail setup. I have been transitioning all my mounts to DDT since the adjustable rear bases are not necessary for a properly drilled receiver and are a potential source for torque problems. But those Talley setups look mighty fine, too.
Dave, do you lap those Talley rings the same way you (should) do the conventional style? What about Warne rings? I think they have dual Torx screws vice the single ones on Talley's.
Ralph the Rifleman
Good question!
Again to each his own. What works for one may not work for the other. So Use wah you like.
I have Talley one piece mounts on all my TC Encore barrels. Good solid mounts indeed, and the best price out there that I found.
Talley LW one piece mounts are on all of my rifles except the Weatherby. It has the steel rings and bases. In my opinion they are better than Leupold rings.
I don't understand anyone paying $l.000 + for a rifle, $500.00+ for a scope then put Waly-world Alum mounts on the outfit. Scope bases, rings ae like Ammo, buy the best available as thats what keeps your firearmon 0 when needed.
I've got Talley QD rings on my Model 70 Safari Express in .416 Remington magnum, and can remove the scope and reattach it with no noticeable change in zero. These Talleys, by the way, hold a Leupold Vari-X III (older model) variable 1-5X scope. I figure that if I ever needed to remove the scope for a hairy situation, I wouldn't have a quarter on me to turn the knobs on those other guys' rings. I put the levers on the left side so that they wouldn't interfere with cartridge ejection. Whenever I get my next rifle, it will definitely have Talley mounts and rings!
Mwlanoma* just typing the word, heightened my "Pucker Factor" %&$#
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