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August 27, 2009

Petzal: A Parting Thought on Senator Kennedy

By David E. Petzal

Now that the news is all Ted, all the time (which at least is a relief from all Michael, all the time) and the late Senator Edward M. Kennedy is on his way to being Saint Teddy, we should remember that he was an implacable enemy of the Second Amendment, and that there never was an anti-gun law he did not like. Kennedy blamed guns for his brothers’ deaths. The reality is a little different.

John Kennedy was killed because the Secret Service, in a city where many people were known to hate him, allowed JFK to ride in an open automobile, and advertised his route in advance.

Bobby Kennedy was killed because, rather than employ professional bodyguards in Los Angeles, he used a former football player named Rosey Grier, plus a few others who were equally well qualified. Grier was an all-pro lineman, but he was not much of a bodyguard.

Condemning guns for a tragedy rather than affixing the blame to arrogance, incredible lapses in judgment, and incompetence saves one a lot of trouble, does it not? After all, how do you legislate against human failings?

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

The heck with Ted.
I'm still grieving over Billy Mays and now Dominic Dunn.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Sad that he died, but hopefully they get a better person in there this time. Maybe a conservative for hunting and fishing, and the second amendment.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

logan.vandermay

Wake up!

From the Peoples Republic of Taxachusetts who bring you the likes of Rep. Barney Frank and Sen. John Kerry? Surely you jest. Here, pee in this bottle for me.

You can expect another anti-gun, pro-abortion, Obama Health Care supporting piece of liberal crap.

While I do not harbor ill will for the departed Kennedy's one and all, I'm glad they are gone from American politics, period. Too bad they were so prolific in spreading their high-minded liberal elitist manure and genes.

Here ya' go, Teddy. This one's for you ,,l,,

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from 007 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Anybody remember Mary Jo Kopecney? Why didn't Senator Kennedy work against vehicular homicides, especially when DUI was involved?

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

All Ted, all the time. Sad there was little mention of the passing of Robert Novak, not one word on Dominic Dunn. At least the demoncrats are trying to attach health care to the Sainted Teddy, and not some wild assed
gun control scheme. After all, what is another trillion, or so?

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from Hunt_Hard wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter is completely right! Couldn't have said it better myself!
Here ya' go, Teddy. This one's for you ,,l,,

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I'm sorry for the Kennedy family's loss. There ends all the nice things I can say.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter
I realize that he was the most liberal idiots in this world. However, I just am wishing that they could get a descent person in there, and realize it is a joke to even think it could happen. I have never voted for a liberal, and never will. I know all about all the crooked dealings going on with the current liberal kindom now in rule, and hope that people will learn their lessons when the next elections are here. I agree with you with politics as I am conservative, but I still don't wish death on anyone, even one of the worst senators to ever have been born.

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from eackerlund wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter said it perfectly. ,,l,, Ted Kennedy.

Would to God he had passed sooner....like when he drunk-drove his car off that bridge and killed Mary Jo Kopecney.

And yes, it is unfortunate that Taxachusetts will never in the forseeable future vote a good person into office.

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Like I have said before who is more valuable to this country Michael or the marine who died in Iraq or Afganastan yesterday? Sadly few of us know that marine's name and some people just don't care. This whole business is mostly the result of biased media coverage. More or less it still all gets back to money which is what made Michael what he was and also attended to the needs of Teddy when he required assistance. The marine, he "just" trained, fought, and died, may God bless him.

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from s-kfry wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I'm having a real hard time shedding a tear for the late Senator. I would like to point out that his final “political” act was to attempt to again change the laws that govern how a successor is chosen for a deceased senator in MA. Just the last corrupt action in a long line of corrupt unscrupulous actions.

Now, the argument is that the people of MA need to have representation in Congress in the interim until the special election is held. Interesting that they weren’t screaming for Ted to step down a year ago when he was first diagnosed with cancer and haven’t been screaming the last 8 months that he has not been in Washington. Now, all of the sudden the law he got passed to prevent John Kerry’s seat (should he have been elected in 2004) from going Republican is biting them in the butt and they are again monkeying with the system to bend it to their purposes. That’s not representation, that’s wrong.

God bless his family, we are sorry for the loss that they are feeling.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Too bad he and Mary Jo didn't perish together like Romeo and Juliet that dark Chappaquiddick night in 1969

The Kennedy clan has had more than their fair share of tragedy. Ever hear about the concept of "sins of the father"? Old Joe was so crooked that they used a corkscrew auger to dig his grave. What goes around, comes around. Teddy just hung around too long for me...

Whatever shall we do? Michael Jackson AND Teddy Kennedy are gone, both in the same year! Oh, woe is us.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

At least Michael Jackson didn't try to shove crappy legislation down our throats.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

John and Robert Kennedy were both philanderers that embarrassed their families, and truth be known, had ol' Marilyn Monroe O.D.'d to shut her trap. Remember Teddy's nephew that was involved in the Florida rape a few years ago?

Fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. They are all a bunch of elitist scumbags. their kind would have been first in line for the guillotine during the French Revolution.

The only good thing I can say about a Kennedy is good riddance.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

No, Michael jackson was too busy with little boys shoving things down throats. Another scumbag in Hell now.

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from Bob81 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

While it was foolish for Ted Kennedy to argue that his brothers assassinations were the result of gun-rights, I think it is equally foolish to blame each of them for thier own assassinations.

The blame for each incident lies squarely in the lap of the nut-case that pulled the trigger. Blame the perpretrator, not the victim.

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from vtbluegrass wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

"I swear officer I don't know a thing about the half empty fifth of bourbon or the panties in my glovebox."

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

As soon as his cancer was detected, I noticed the immediate attempt at the "canonization" of old Teddy Kennedy by the mainstream media. They are saying what a "great American" he is. I say, let's get a couple things clear & not twist the facts to change the real history:

1. He was caught cheating at Harvard when he attended it. He was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.

2. While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. Oops! The man can't count to four! His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England (a step up from bootlegging liquor into the US from Canada during prohibition), pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea , where a war was raging. No preferential treatment for him!(like he charged that President Bush received).

3. Kennedy was assigned to Paris , never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged. Imagine a person of
his "education" NEVER advancing past the rank of Private!

4. While attending law school at the University of Virginia, he was cited for reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving 90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after dark.. Yet his Virginia driver's license was never revoked. Coincidentally, he passed the bar exam in 1959. Amazing!

5. In 1964, he was seriously injured in a plane crash and hospitalized for several months. Test results done by the hospital at the time he was admitted had shown he was legally intoxicated. The results of those tests remained a "state secret" until in the 1980's when the report was unsealed. Didn't hear about that from the unbiased media, did we?

6. On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts . At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur's keys to his Oldsmobile limousine and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit bridge with no guard rail, Kennedy steered the car off the bridge, flipped, and into Poucha Pond.

7. He swam to shore and walked back to the party passing several houses and a fire station. Two friends then returned with him to the scene of the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew - that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep. Kennedy called the police the next morning and by then the wreck had already been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car. The Kennedy family began "calling in favors", ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family before an autopsy could be conducted. Further details are uncertain, but after the accident Kennedy says he repeatedly dove under the water trying to rescue Kopechne and he didn't call
police because he was in a state of shock. It is widely assumed Kennedy was drunk, and he held off calling police in hopes that his family could fix the problem overnight. Since the accident, Kennedy's "political enemies" have referred to him as the distinguished Senator from Chappaquiddick. He
pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, and was given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE OF TWO MONTHS. Kopechne's family received a small payout from the Kennedy's insurance policy and never sued. There was later an effort to have her body exhumed and autopsied, but her family successfully fought against this in court, and Kennedy's family paid their attorney's bills.... a "token of friendship"?

8. Kennedy has held his Senate seat for more than forty years, but considering his longevity, his accomplishments seem scant. He authored or argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health care easier for the indigent, funded Meals on Wheels for fixed-income seniors, and is widely held as the "standard-bearer for liberalism". In his very first Senate role he was the floor manager for the bill that turned U.S. immigration policy upside down and opened the floodgate for immigrants from third world countries..

9. Since that time, he has been the prime instigator and author of every expansion of an increase in immigration up to and including the latest attempt to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Not to mention the pious grilling he gave the last two Supreme Court nominees, as if he was the standard bearer for the nation in matters of "what is right" What a pompous ass!

10. He is known around Washington as a public drunk, loud, boisterous, and very disrespectful to ladies. JERK is a better description than "great American". "A blonde in every pond" is his motto.

Let's not allow the spin doctors to make this jerk a hero -- how quickly the American public forgets what his real legacy is.

A lot of the younger people don't have a clue about all
of this, and us older ones tend to forget things that happened so many years ago. Although I HAVEN'T!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

vtbluegrass

Better check your ponds, too, since you are within driving distance from Hyannisport! LOL

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from bluecollarkid wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Do you really have to be mentally disturbed to commit an assassination? I can think of many logical reasons why one would want to assassinate a political leader. As for blaming the Kennedies for their deaths; well, hindsight is 20/20 isn't it.

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from jonah wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Boy am I glad that you all won't be writing my obituary. Did Ted Kennedy do some horrible things? Sure he did. We're probably all guilty of some sin or another. Did he also do some decent things? Yes, he did.

Even if he was against the 2nd amendment, I still have all the guns I need and probably most of you do, too. He'll probably be replaced by another liberal. That's up to the people of Massachusetts. I'm glad they don't vote for my representatives and I'm sure they feel the same way about me.

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from wvboy1022 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

F&S speakin ill of the dead???

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Good riddance!

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Kennedy may be dead but all the people that voted for him are ready to vote for his clone.

Scary.

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from peter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

your exactly right. just cause hes dead it doesnt mean that we have to forgive his agnorance

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

WA Mtn,

We have not seen the last of the Kennedy clan. This will be the opportunity for one of them to assume old Uncle Teddy's much soiled seat in the Senate. I'm betting Ms. Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg will be establishing an address in good old Mass-A-Chew-Sets post haste. No... we have not seen then last of that bunch yet...

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from jersey pig wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

look on the positive side, mary jo kopechne's family can now have closure. and as long as the senator likes the smell of brimstone and sulfer he should be relatively happy as he will be sourounded by people of his same caliber and ethics. although i would want to bear witness to him explaining away some of these things to st. peter at the pearly gates before he gets to his final reward. good bye teddy and best of luck, watch out for pitch forks.

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from mikeburgess wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I would never wish death upon anyone, but you have to admitt America sure is a better place without him in office.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Like i've said before, Blaming guns for Columbine is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'Donnell being fat! Same goes for the Kennedy's

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from oldpolack wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Hi Dave,

Now I know why JFK and RFK were killed. Also, great eulogy for the US Senator. I am surprised that F&S supports this stuf.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I remember when I was in college my friend was a flight attendent. She said old Teddy was drunk and hitting on her during a flight. That was in the 80's.

I've never met him personally but I think he's like that drunk uncle you hide the kids from.

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from focusfront wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Hey, you kids--

WA Mtnhunter did not exaggerate one thing about TK. I dislike speaking ill of the dead, just because it is wrong to insult a man who can't insult you back. But I'm glad I'm not doing the funeral; it'd be hard work to make him look good.

Massachusetts has a way to go to equal Minnesota. Minnesota elects professional wrestlers and no talent comedians. How much longer will democracy last at this rate?

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from O Garcia wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

The Kennedys have way too much charm. White House reporters write about how JFK, aside from being a womanizer, was vindictive and foul-mouthed and had the best talent for saying "f$%k" among all the Presidents they've covered, and yet JFK continues to be viewed as a clean as a whistle saint. He and FDR practically invented bugging in Washington D.C. and it was Nixon who got caught.

And then there's the legend of old Joe being an admirer of the Nazis back in the day.

The Kennedy's have way too much charm.

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from elmer f. wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

the older i get, the better i get at seeing both sides of any given coin. and i can see, in their simplistic minds, how some people can hate guns for a crime where guns were used. but in reality, all the gun did was give distance and conveinince to the equasion. it would have been much more dificult to shoot J. F. K. with a bow and arrow. or to get close enough to drop a hand grenade into the limo, or cut them with a knife across an artery or two. the bottom line is, someone wanted both of the Kennedy's dead. period. they, one way or another, would have accomplished their goal. people kill each other all the time with everything from pillows to hammers, to poison. it probably started when there were 3 people on the face of the earth, and hasn't, nor will it ever end. it is in our, and many other animals basic instincts. a gun, is a tool. nothing more, nothing less. what matters, is how we use them. the thing most (especially anti-gunners) do not get, is to deter crime, you have to make the punishment so bad, than anyone who is sane, will not do it because of the consequenses. if first degree murder, had a penalty of being slowly eaten to death by bugs, no sane person on the planet would ever pick up a gun, hammer, or whatever, to kill another in anger. if rape, required the guilty persons genitals to be bitten by a snake, until they rotted off from their body, no one would ever rape either. but if we continually slap their hands, feed and clothe them, send them to a place where they can learn to be better criminals. the world is only going to get worse.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

its about time good riddance

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from ricefarm wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I get amused and sometimes irritated at the way some people try to re-write someone's history because they died. Ted Kennedy was a scumbag when he was alive and that hasn't changed because he died.
Robert Novak, famed political commentator who recently passed told a local reporter here once that when it came to womanizing Bill Clinton was a novice compared to JFK. JFK's presidency was well on it's way to being a one term disaster when he was assasinated, yet today he is treated like he should be on Mount Rushmore. There are more than a few conspiracy theorists that believe that the CIA and Secret Service let him be assasinated to save the country from certain disaster.

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from JCB wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Lets also remember that he was also an all around bastard. May God forgive him. I can not.

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Dave, your common sense offends my revisionist historical outlook.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Speaking as a person who has some "liberal" leanings and some "conservative" leanings, I've got to say you guys dissing the dead muddy the message of preserving the 2nd amendment, when you drag the rest of your right wing codswallop in on the issue. When offered a drink I would always prefer to have the liquor liberally poured as opposed to having a conservative dram. I disagreed with Ted on a coupla things, but the rest of it I am all for. Ted never did get my guns, I still have em. Even though I did disagree with Ted regarding the 2nd amendment, I actually worked for his campaign (anything but that thricecursed,F-ing cultist bastard Romney, whose grave I will yet spit on). I used to say Teddy is an elderly dipsomaniac, but he's Our Elderly Dipsomaniac, Dammit.
I know quite a few folks who prefer to have both guns and single payer health insurance. I know other women who like having guns AND control over their own bodies. I have gay friends who think they deserve the same rights as other Americans and include gun ownership as a right along with the chance to marry their lovers just like straight people.
When you mix the issues, you loose potential allies, Maybe many of you "cons" out there would rather that only straight white male christians had legal access to arms, but the Constitution don't read that way...
When are you cons going to get the clue that in order to obtain our Common goals, we need to unify not divide. Offensive crap dissing the dead ain't gonna win you any points in the big picture. You just look nasty and uncouth when you do so.
While I am glad to see the month of celebrity funerals finally over, lets let the Dead be Dead, and get on with other stuff.

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Bella, do you mean to say that a post, ostensibly about the second amendment, would be muddied by mentioning, in no particular order; sexual preference, insurance issues, religious preference, same-sex marriage, and general liberal vs. conservative, conservative vs. liberal rhetoric.

I agree with you. Peace.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Somehow this scumbag clan are media darlings, not much unlike our president. Karma is a bicth though.

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from John L wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Didn't agree with anything he stood for in life, can't express any regret he's gone.
Don't wish anyone ill, including some still with us, but I will retain my ability to disagree with them. You may do the same.
Just tired of the media's fawning coverage of the Kennedy "royalty", or other celebrities.
My last comment, what did HE ever do to deserve burial at Arlington?

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from petehubbard wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Ya...cant say as im too sad about Sen. Kennedys death. I feel sorry for his family and wish them the best. But Kennedy didnt do much for the average grassroots American.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

P.S.

Ted kennedy was a foul scumbag from the word go. He would be just as big a scumbag if he were a conservative Republican. The whole clan are elitist scumbags who think they know what is really best for the rest of us whom they look down upon.

Not all liberal politicians are low-life POS's like Kennedy. My Congressman is a liberal democrat (grrrr), but he is a hard working family man who tries t orepresent his district. I don't agree with most of his politics, but he's no scumbag. Our Democrat Senator Patty Murray is as liberal as it gets, but she is a decent human being and while I don't agree often, she has my personal respect.

Not so with the Kennedy's. All three brothers have shown what two-faced scumbags they really were, one way or another. Poor Caroline, she is totally clueless.

God have mercy on their souls. They all have some 'splainin' to do....

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Thats some good imformation!WA Mthunter!!people need to look at all the facts.Teddy is no angel.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

John L

I was wondering the same thing? WTF is he doing being buried at Arlington among our heroes? I understand Jack (U.S. Navy WWII), but why Bobby and Teddy. Not exactly military heroes, but I guess Ted qualifies since he WAS a PRIVATE in the Army....

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Political assassination is not and has never been acceptable as a solution for a nation's problems. It generally results from corruption and anarchy, neither of which is a good thing.

Let's whack 'em at the voting booth!

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from Clem Snide wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

He may be gone but his rancid genes live on.

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from Clem Snide wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Old Joe Kennedy’s mistress was starlet Gloria Swanson. He frequently brought her home with him for the weekend. Fine way to raise your kids.

After that Kennedy heir was killed in Colorado playing football on skis (which was illegal and which the park rangers had warned him about), there was much media snot slinging over the Kennedy “curse.” If you will remember, this young fool skied into a tree while looking behind him. My favorite living Southern writer, Florence King, characterized the incident and the family thusly: “He was killed doing what Daffy Duck does in cartoons every Saturday morning. But since he was a Kennedy, we pronounced it a tragedy and blamed it on a curse.”

In contrasting the plebian nature of the Kennedy appeal with the patrician nature of our first political dynasty, the Adams family, she said, “Kennedys R us; Adamses ain’t.”

One final note: JFK Jr. was killed because he knowingly flew into a situation that would have required an instrument rating, which he didn’t have. But the rules are for lesser mortals such as ourselves.

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from ricefarm wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Bella, I don't think you understand the issues involved. No conservative wants only white males to have the legal right to own guns, we all want EVERYONE, male, female, any color skin to have the same right. Ted Kennedy didn't wany anyone outside of his personal bodyguard to have that right. Especially not women, many of which might have availed themselves of the opportunity to defend themselves against his unwanted advances, something he was rather famous for.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Hi Bella,

Thanks as always for your thoughtful comments. Especially your comment on rights. Equal rights should mean equal rights for all in accordance with the framework of our Constitution, not just the latest and greatest judicial interpretation.

As for dissing the dead, I never passed an opportunity to stone the Kennedy's when they were alive and won't stop criticizing their malfeasance now that they are dead. I share your sentiments on Mr. Mitt Romney, by the way. So we agree on a couple of things!

Good hunting and shooting. I looked up the Howdah gun from another of your posts. Very interesting. I had never seen one of those. I don't know how I missed it in the wish book catalog.

Best regards

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from John L wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Go to youtube.com and search for Arlington, watch and listen to the video by Trace Adkins.
Then wonder along with me why Ted Kennedy gets to lie along with true American heroes there.
Makes me want to puke!

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from focusfront wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Amflier, I think your humor is a little too ironic for some of us. You made a great comment to Bella, though.

Bella, guns are part of the whole picture; almost a litmus test, in fact.

And liberalism is about taking away rights. For example, gun control takes guns from the hands of the law-abiding gun owner and does nothing to the criminal.

Abortion kills the innocent. Abortion on demand is usually murder-- taking the lives of children who are not to blame for being conceived but have been.

Gay marriage attacks the law abiding. Gays can live together anywhere, any time, and gay partners can give each other all the legal rights they need with one visit to a lawyer. Gay marriage legislation is aimed at US-- those who understand that marriage was NOT invented by the founding fathers, and that the laws of this country recognize rather than define marriage as the union of a man and a woman. Churches, pastors, wedding photographers, spas, etc. are already getting sued for not condoning gay marriage in the states in which it is legal; lawsuits against people like ME are what this is about, not anyone's right to live together. Marriage is a word that describes something men and women do; co-habiting gays can come up with their own term for what they do.

See? Three groups of NON-offending people's rights (gun owners, unborn children, Bible thumpers) are assaulted by liberal legislation. The earmark of a liberal law is that it finds somebody who is innocently living his life and takes something away from him. For that is the final marker of liberalism; we serve the government rather than it serving us. No offense to Teddy, but if he could have snapped his fingers and turned America into whatever he wanted, I wonder what that would have been.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

cods⋅wal⋅lop  
–noun British Slang. nonsense; rubbish; i.e., Bella's posts, on any given subject.

Right wing codswallop- Generally the truth, a thing not recognized by Bella the Kool Aid
drinking liberal.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Bella

Me thinks you are outnumbered, milady. Surrender whle you can !

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from RonDak wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Geez. You guys spit A LOT of hate. What did he personally do to you? Yes, you may disagree with his politics, but cutting him down when he passes away in completely uncalled for.

Mtnhunter, did he touch you when you were little? You need to relax with the venom.

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Maybe they'll bury him on top of Maryln Monroe's casket, that way all the Kennedy boys will have had a turn riding her bones! Ted is no different than OJ- a murderer who got away with it. Any bets on a republican elected to his seat?? That would be ooohhh sooo funny!

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from firedog11 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I have often wondered at the acceptance of hypocrisy by the American people and voters. Ted is an Icon though he was a drunk and a killer. Sanford should resign because he cheated. But who does the the media lionize and who is chased through the streets.
Secret investigative /intelligence units to be run out of the White House (is Nixon being channeled? by Obama).
Legal rights for anyone who attackes an kills Americans in the name of Allah courtesy of the American Supreme Court. (Wonder what ol' Blood & Guts would have thout of that?)
Constant calls for Americans to give up their First and Second amendment rights so that Obama supporters and the Brady clowns can feel safe.
Democrats paying their own operatives to break windows of their headquarters in Co. and break heads of opponents in St. Louis and N.H. (Someone is channeling Ol' Adolph?)
The country is 100 trillion dollars in debt and Obama wants to add more. (medicare,medicade & SS)
Folks we need a third party who will nuture and protect the Constitution which is so shredded by both parties to the point we may not be able to tape it together.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Any of yall see anything on the news about a recently deceased congressional medal of honor winner helicopter pilot who flew (and saved dozens of lives)during Viet Nam? Of course not. He was military, a true hero who saved lives during a war all of today's politicians would like to pretend never happened. How many lives did Michael Jackson save? or Teddy Kennedy? or Obama?
I can't seem to remember them serving in the military.
Come to think of it, neither has Eric Holder. Maybe that's why he is so determined to harm our intelligence gathering ability and weaken our country. By the way, some of Obama's czars (a former Teutonic dictator referred to his as "ministers")have had felony charges levied against them in the past. The FBI is supposed to investigate and vette all Presidental appointees, but a recent Obama "executive order" prohibits the FBI from investigating any of his "Czar" appointees. A little scary isn't it? Investigating the CIA and prosecuting Bush people is no 7 on Eric Holder's list. Gun control is no 16. We have a ways to go before anti gun legislation gets underway, but Holder will be in charge of it and apparently will do whatever he wants despite what his boss(?) Obama says.

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from burnettjv wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I hate to say it but,... I'm glad that SOB is dead!

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from John L wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

RonDak,
No, not hate, just disgust. For hyprocisy. Webster's defines as "a pretense of virtue"
Should have Teddy's picture there. He was the phoniest thing around. And those who want to make him a saint, can kiss my butt.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

John L

One word.....Amen

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

John L-
Well summed up. I add my "Amen."
crm

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from CONGOKURT wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I for one am glad to see Old Scrotum Face leave this planet. A liar, a drunk, a murderer, a coward, a wonderful role model for his nephews and, uhh how shall I put this ? An all around piece of human garbage that has hurt this country and individuals in numerous, horrendous ways. Let's see, what can I say that is good about him ? He's dead. Shake hands with the devil Teddy-Boy. Amen.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

WOW! I can think of nothing to add for a Change.

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from John L wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Wow,
Three "Amens" in a row.
Now let's see if we can't get some of them other sum's'a'bitches out of Washington. (by vote of course, we can't wait for old age).
They ain't 'representin' you/us.
John L

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Listen boys, this entire family was screwed-up with the exception of Joe Jr., they say he was a man of integrity and class..must be why God called him back early? Anyway, I feel this guy was a waste, not because he made a mistake in contributing to the death of an innocent girl(WHICH IS BAD ENOUGH), but because he NEVER LIVED UP TO IT, never learned from his mistake, and stayed quite arrogant thru his entire life.
No I did not "know him", and frankly I'm glad I didn't!
RON DAK-
It is part anger when I think of this man; he had a part of history in making LAWS that he preferred to break most of his life.
He may not be the FIRST hypocrite to serve in our Government, but he is one of the longest serving ones that should have been out of off office years ago as far as I'm concerned.

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from Zermoid wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

At least now ole' Teddy can perform a useful function in the world, as fertilizer!

That man's CAR has killed more people than all my guns put together!
Why the he11 did he not want to ban cars too?!?!?!?!

Sorry for the language but I have Nothing good to say about him......

Hey TED! olo. You!

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from Zermoid wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

focusfront,

I believe the answer to your question is Nazi Germany.

Or something way too close for comfort.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Well Bella,

Looks like you are outnumbered here. Too bad you are not outnumbered in Mass.

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from CONGOKURT wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Moishe, if that was geared towards me, I thank you my friend. CongoKurt

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Bella,
At the 1972 Democratic National Convention, Congresswoman Barbara Jordan of Houston, Texas (and the most eloquent speaker I have ever heard) warned that we were in danger of becoming a nation of special interest groups; and thus would become divided, instead of united. Looks like she was pretty dead on 37 years ago. I earnestly believe that we should unite in the fight to keep our 2nd amendment rights. If a politician votes even once for gun control, vote against him or her in the next election no matter the party affiliation or his or her stances on any other issue. If we lose this right, or it is infringed in any way, then all of our rights including the 1st amendment is not worth a damn, because we will lose them also.
Look at history; almost every generation has had to fight to keep our freedom for the next generation. My father fought in the Pacific during WWII. It is our turn to fight now to keep these freedoms for the next generation. Another historical note: Read Tito's memoirs. The main reason the Japanese did not invade after they staggered us at Pearl Harbor is because they KNEW most every American owned personal firearms and would willingly use them to defend their country. An army can be defeated; a mass of armed people determined to fight in unorthodox ways cannot be defeated easily; a lesson the British learned the hard way as well as the Russians in Afghanistan, and we in Viet Nam. This is not frothing at the mouth bubbaism, but simple facts.
The liberals in power do not believe in private ownership of firearms, neither does George Soros and moveon.org. Do not take this lightly; there are people who want you to give up your right to keep and bear arms and there can be only one reason for doing so; you will be unable to effectively fight back in any way to keep any other freedoms.
God bless ya,

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from Carney wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I am with Moishe -- can't think of anything to say... BUT -- I can't believe no one has said it on the post yet, so here it goes = "Ted Kennedy's Car Has Killed More People Than My Gun!" (I repent in dust and ashes for being so hokey...)

I am in complete agreement with all that has been said about this man's character and politics -- never have known of a human being who was more on the wrong side of any issue than he was.

OK. Alright. So I've got one more thng to say: You may think that Ted Kennedy's life was a success but if his death was a failure, (and all of the Good Book indicators are that it was indeed a failure) how can you consider his life a success?

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from Tim Platt wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

So are there any more refugees from the Hyannisport Compound we need to know about? Ding Dong the witch is dead... Old Joe is probably wondering why this one had to be the one to survive so long.

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from JHawes wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I wonder who is more gun shy. The Kennedy's or my bird dog? You can bet my dog ain't flinching at the sounds of gunshots.

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from kaanimal wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

It's a sad day when anyone dies. It sucks. But I have one word to describe Senator K. "Communist"
OK, make that two...
"Anti-American"

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Ted Kennedy was a rich stupid man with no skills and much less common sense. Even his own father refer to him as the numb one in the litter. Without daddy's money and influence he would have had a hard time finding a box to live in. He was a hardline back door racist who spoke easily and often of the under privileged blacks simply to keep them on the welfare lines to supply liberal votes. Anyone who could not see through this poor example of a human can not see at all. He preached living off of the teat of the government cow for so long that some of the stupid in our society now believe it. I don't like speaking ill of a dead man but in Kennedy's case I'll make the exception. Good riddance-this guy was not a good man.

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from nc30-06 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Beekeeper, I have to disagree with you about Caroline. She blew her shot when she dined with Al Sharpton and hogged down the grub like a starved refugee. She also made comments that showed how vacant her intellect actually is. The most revolting thing is that the stupid "Camelot" crap will go on. The Kennedys as America's "royalty"? Don't make me puke more. And, the point about his deserving to be in a place of honor with REAL heros, is disgusting. He was and never will be a hero.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

WAMthunter I am always outnumbered, so I usually prefer flanking maneuvers...Anyway I go by the Galaxy Quest Motto "Never Give Up, Never Surrender!". Anyway most of my detractors convict themselves with their own uncouth rantings so I hardly need comment.
My point is I am still here, and I do stuff, bringing new folks into the shooting traditions and trying to win hearts and minds. Even if I agreed with the theocratic agenda espoused by so many of the types who seem to think Jesus had a blessed AR-15, I wouldn't win anybody over for the 2nd amendment here by spouting such an agenda. Besides I think queer people NEED guns, to protect themselves from violent homophobic types who think God is whispering in their ear to murder teh gayz. Gay people often can't count on the help of LEO's to protect themselves anyway, so I make it my special mission to train other women and gay men about firearms. I have seen the poop hit the air impeller too many times to count and the only things that get people through adverse events is training and a little foresight. So, if it is Really about the 2nd amendment, you need us women and metrosexuals and all, or you will loose it. If it is really about some conservative theocratic agenda I don't want any part of it. I got awaay already from a situation where a cult was imposed on me, and I have no interest in any situation where some self rightious bozo inflicts his lame idea of religion on my life. All that "prolife" and homophobic stuff is only about one version of a particular religion, that is Evangelical Christianity and while folks are welcome to worship as they see fit, that doesn't mean Evangelical Christianity should be imposed on everybody any more than Catholocism or Wahabi Islam should be. I am for every one of the Amendments to the Bill of Rights, the 2nd no less than the others, but Religion shouldn't come into it, people should stop confusing religion with partizan politics, they are apples and oranges and always have been.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Dear Mr. Petzal . . .

You wrote:

"John Kennedy was killed because the Secret Service, in a city where many people were known to hate him, allowed JFK to ride in an open automobile, and advertised his route in advance."

Respectfully, I disagree with your assertion. The Secret Service didn't shoot JFK. Oswald (and perhaps one or two others) did.

Consider:

But for Oswald (and perhaps others) putting JFK in his (their) sights and pulling a trigger several times, would JFK have been killed? Answer: No.

But for the Secret Service's actions (or lack thereof)before and on that Dallas day, would JFK have been killed? Answer: No, because the Secret Service didn't do the shooting and didn't sanction it.

But for the Secret Service's gross negligence and gross carelessness, would JFK have been assasinated (by Oswald or anyone else)?

Answer: No, not if the President overruled the Secret Service's repeated requests that he not parade around in an open limo and make himself an ultra-inviting and ultra-vulnerable target.

Was the Secret Service even therefore a contributing factor in JFK's death? Maybe not.

You also wrote:

"Bobby Kennedy was killed because, rather than employ professional bodyguards in Los Angeles, he used a former football player named Rosey Grier, plus a few others who were equally well qualified. Grier was an all-pro lineman, but he was not much of a bodyguard."

Consider the following questions:

But for Sirhan Sirhan aiming a weapon at RFK and pulling its trigger just after midnight in June of '68, would RFK be dead?

Answer: No. Sirhan Sirhan is the direct proximate cause
of RFK's death.

But for Rosey Grier's actions (or lack thereof)before or on on that fateful evening, would RFK have been killed?

Answer: Unknown.

While I agree with you that it was foolishness for RFK to use a former NFL player as a bodyguard, Grier didn't kill RFK. Even if RFK had been guarded by a large Secret Service team or an experienced private security detail, it is unknown if this would have been effective in preventing Sirhan Sirhan from getting within range of his target, taking aim, and pulling the trigger. As such, I can't blame Grier for RFK's death, and I don't believe anyone else should either.

Note here that I do not blame any weapon (or its manufacturer) for the death of either RFK or JFK. Weapons didn't do the killing. The people who pulled their triggers did. And no gun ban would stop an Oswald (and perhaps one or two others) or a Sirhan Sirhan from getting weapons and doing what they did with them (so I agree with you that gun bans only hurt the innocent and keep the innocent from having an ability to defend themselves against bad guys--who already have guns, and who don't give a damn about any bans).

TWD

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Bella:

Keep writing posts. I don't always agree with every position you take (though I agree with most of them), but I certainly admire the brightness and courage of your liberal flame in the very conservative camp that dominates this blog. Both sides have room here. Neither side should take meanhearted jabs at the other.

Keep your torch shining bright.

TWD

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from yohan wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Dam ,. didnt know ( for sure ) Bella was a woman,.
Could have sworn ole 30-04 1/2 "was tho

Speaking as a concervative liberal.
Yet realizing that concept might just zoom right over some one of the far right .

To witt:

No doubt the Kennedys were a dirty bunch,.from a political, financial,and to some extebnt social .. standpoint he again what else is there?
They played by rules only in existance for those who possess vast wealth,. which begats power.
But wealth and true power are not the same.
as they learned,..

As I am busy to day ,.. I will need to stand for now with Bella ,. excepting a couple items (view points) that I am not done thinking over ,. One beimg same sex marriage.Dont mind the consolidation of assets and,.. rights typical to marriage ,. but Im just not DOWN with the same sex thing. But thats my religion and its dificult for me to think past that yet.

Armming queers is Ok but Im not real big on pick camo so that could be a bone of contention with her .

Other than that,.. the woman makes sence ,..

Oh and by the way,... Mountain Hunter ,..
To quote you ' I may not agree with everything you say but I will defend your right to say it ."

That said you realize of course ,. that a man traveling a path to the east long enough will soner or later be coming from he West.
So it is,. that I see radical concervatives as well as liberals as the same.

If we could arrrange for those in both camps (the diametrically opposed) to meet and do battle,. (especially those who have never seen combat ) such that most were killed outright.
Because they would be Pi$$ing them selves and shooting anyone including thier own.

The rest of us could likely find a 4 lane Highway of compromise and get something done.
Other than this emotionally charged back and forth BS
Which from a purely business standpoint COSTS EVERYONE MONEY that is simply not necessary.

Teddy was a punk,. no doubt,. yet aside from his duality.
Leading one life and promoting another he did do some good,.. inpite of his evil deeds ,.

He's dead now ,. let him be dead.
We the living still have Sh!t to accomplish , ans we can learn from his mistakes.

Oh and buy the way F & S,. if this hunting and fishing Magazine continues to be used as a personal politcal platform by its editors,.
I'm out ,.. and I will do as much as i can to have
others out.
The second ammendment will never be a real issue because there is just too dam much money in guns and ammunition ,.. to let that part of out economy just go away .
Lip service to peta ,.and cleveland Armory the siera club vs the cannonized NRA etc etc
Bills floated to limit this and that
AND that dog just dont hunt.
Because the VERY VERY VERY powerful,. the ones who actually run things
The ones with no party,. no allegiance,. no religion, and no morales,.. other than power and money ,.. won't let it.

However my euridite colleges ,. "THEY " are the ons who dont want single payer health inscurance,.
Because then they couldn't stick their hand in your Western most pocket by coming from the East ,.. think about it !

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Good comment Bella. We should all start upholding ALL the provisions of the Constitution and get the Feds out of the business that is none of their business per the Constitution!

I vehemently disagree with abortion. But as long as someone else has their choices to make, what right except using persuasion do I have in their decision?

best regards

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from Happy Myles wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

T W Davidson,
Been missing you, glad to know you are OK. Kindest to all

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

OH CRAP!!
THE TROLLS ARE OUT FROM UNDER THE BRIDGE AGAIN!!

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from nc30-06 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Does anyone know if they are ever going to bury the esteemed "senator"? How long is this travesty going to last?

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from Gunslinger wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Can rest assured, as long as any Kennedy Blood flowing, there will be a Kennedy in DC. So many accidens in that family, I wonder if they were "Accidents"As for old Man Joe, making his money with MOONSHINE, come down to my place and I can show you this day many STills yet operating and our young people buy daily. Give it to the old man, he knew how to make MONEY. Sorry for the family, they have been thru enough, more than their share. But Cancer has no bounds, it will strike any of us any day. I had my bout in l989, lost My Dad, SIster, Uncle in past 20 yrs to the deadly disease. Let's hope Ted's replacement will be a guy who can get things straight in DC and the USA.We are hanging on by a wing and a prayer. Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from Gunslinger wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Can rest assured, as long as any Kennedy Blood flowing, there will be a Kennedy in DC. So many accidens in that family, I wonder if they were "Accidents"As for old Man Joe, making his money with MOONSHINE, come down to my place and I can show you this day many STills yet operating and our young people buy daily. Give it to the old man, he knew how to make MONEY. Sorry for the family, they have been thru enough, more than their share. But Cancer has no bounds, it will strike any of us any day. I had my bout in l989, lost My Dad, SIster, Uncle in past 20 yrs to the deadly disease. Let's hope Ted's replacement will be a guy who can get things straight in DC and the USA.We are hanging on by a wing and a prayer. Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

NC30-06 Tooooo effen long already!

CONGOKURT , yup, your welcome!

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Good to see ya Gunslinger AMEN brother!

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Bella,
I do applaud you for teaching people how to safely use firearms and to defend themselves regardless of their personal preferences. Regarding your first post: Jeez, girl, don't sugarcoat it; tell us how you really feel about Romney. It may very well be the same way I feel about Pelosi, Shumer, Frank, Reid, Biden, Holder, Emanual, etc. etc.....

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from Carney wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Ok then, since there's room for both, let's go there -- who wants to illucidate us bloggers on just exactly what "liberalism" is; its historical basis; its present forms?

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from kenthebusdriver wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I am honestly not sure if I should make any comment at all in this blog, but, full speed ahead as usual. I am an old guy, Viet Nam veteran, NRA member, social conservative, and a gun owner. Altho I only have 4 firearms, and a total of 200 or so rounds, to my all younger, ultra-liberal siblings and a few other family members, I am the family gun nut. I am very bothered by the hatred and invective directed toward Sen. Ted Kennedy. Ok, I said it, and I also defend the right to express all opinions, including yours (generic). He may have been the most anti-2nd Amendment liberal ever elected to the US Senate. His legacy extends way beyond whether he would take our guns away, Civil Rights Act, ADA, CHiP, real and significant human legislation. If I had had to experience the death of two brothers by gunshot wound, I would have an attitude also. He is buried at Arlington National Cemetery as a former member of the Armed Forces, elected to a Federal Office. I have already heard flack about his grandchildrens tributes, canned, rehearsed blah, blah, blah. I do also know all of his history of human failure, cheating in school, the tragic death of Mary Jo Kopechne. What is my point? Not sure if I know. Respect for the dead, respect for a fellow American.

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from LutherMartin1517 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Good ridence to one more idiot who was screwing up America. The world is a better place now. I heard that girlfriend killer Ted will be buried at Arlington. That is a disgrace to all the real heroes that are buried there. God has blessed America by removing yet another Kennedy from our midst.

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Nothing more about Ted but about Bella. Bella always takes a stance for the 2nd amendment. She obviously has very liberal leanings but loves to shoot and own firearms. A very odd combination at least in my life experience. I've always found that people who are liberal in the though process tend to be very frighten of virtually everything. Just a few years ago I stopped to help two men who were broken down with a flat tire. They had a Dukakis sticker on the rear bumper and a Mass. license plate. They had no clue how to even assemble the jack to start the process. I ask if I could help and practically got a tearful response. One of them got into the car and the other stood with his hand on the driver side door. I changed the tire in silence and stored the jack and closed the trunk. The driver had slipped into the seat and the car was started and they drove away. No conversation, no parting wave, no thank you, only fear. This is what I see from all the liberal crowd here-fear. I don't see fear in Bella at all, I only see strong conviction. I rarely agree with her but am constantly reminded when I read her thoughts that many people see things absolutely differently than I do. Paying attention to others and tying to see the other side is never the wrong approach. We learn when we listen. Listening may reinforce what we already believe or it may tear a tiny hole in the bag we surround our selves with.

Keep them coming Bella!

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from Bella wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Thank you all for your kind thoughts. Hope you guys like new new picture, ain't my Pietta 1858 Remmie replica pretty?
Yuh know guys, I really do think we need that Bull Moose Party Back...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

It’s unfortunate and sad to say I cannot say anything good about Senator Edward M. Kennedy. All I do remember of him his is vicious attacks on my Constitutional rights and freedoms.

Therefore I can only say, I forgive him and may his sole rest in peace.

My condolences to Family and Fiends

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from Zermoid wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

T.W. Davidson

Since we don't know who and for certain IF there were other shooters we will never truly know if the Secret Service was directly involved with J.F.K.'s death or not.
The facts that Oswald was so quickly killed and the vehement government denial of both the possibility of a second shooter or it's involvement in the assassination makes me doubt that Oswald was alone even more.

As to Ted getting buried at Arlington, I bet there was alot of noise as they lowered him.
Thousands of vets turning over in their graves has to make alot of noise......

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from Ruckweiler wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Of course, Mary Jo died because Teddy was driving, right? I must have missed his condemnation of GM for making the car.

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from ranger2 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Looks like I missed all the fun.
Bella, your strange- minded rhetoric never ceases to amaze me... though I do not always disagree with every word you say, I agree with very little... I appreciate that you actively teach people about the benefits of firearms, but your hatred or fear of Christianity is mostly borne of your own poor understanding of it, and your marination in the humanist egocentric culture back there. After all, it is not the principles on which we agree that make democracy work; it is the reckoning of the principles upon which we disagree.

Yohan- why are you complaining about the exercise of freedom of speech by the editors? If this offends you so, why don't you pack up and move to China, or North Korea? If that is really your opinion, you would be scarcely missed anyhow. At minimum, please blog elsewhere.

WAMtnhunter- Thanks for the contributions, they were accurate and well received. Along with the thoughts of many others.

As for me, I won't miss Ted. I never liked him while alive, and am certain he did way more harm than good to this country. I found it quite ironic that they gave him a military salute with (gasp!!!) rifles at his funeral. Was the family trying to wake him from the grasp of death? If it were possible, he would have turned over in his coffin at the sound of the report.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

About Bella-
It seems that everyone is trying very hard to respect Bella's liberal mind set, because she is pro-Second Amendment. She claims to support all the Constitution and Bill of Rights equally, but I have read too much in her ultra liberal posts to believe this. In my opinion she is much more in line with Teddy K. than most of us posting here, who recognized him as a danger to our sport, our liberty, and the freedoms we enjoy in our country.
First, on this matter of tolerance of gay people. Read her post carefully, and you will find that she does not want gays to be tolerated, she wants gays to have more rights than others. Anyone who disagrees, is a homophobe. Now, phobia, to me, means that you are in fear of something. I don't fear gay people, I just have no use for their lifestyle, and no need to have it crammed down my throat. Exactly the same way I feel about chronic womanizers, such as the late, unlamented Teddy Kennedy. I have no respect for a man who is constantly making disrespectful remarks and lusting after every woman in sight, nor do I want anyone, government least of all, trying to thrust a gay agenda upon me.
Second, if one is to be tolerant, one should be tolerant of all. Bella openly despises Christians, Mormons, conservatives (Bushies), and other principals set down by the Founding Fathers. Where is her tolerance for Gov. Sara Palin, (who I highly respect), and Sen. Mitt Romney, (who I do not agree with)? She can come out in support of a liberal, obummer administration, but be positively vitriolic against George W. Bush, calling him a liar, neocon, etc? Where is all the tolerance?
Third, on this matter of abortion. Abortion, for convenience, is nothing short of murder. Disguising it wrapped in a woman's right to have control over her own body, does nothing to negate this fact. The woman should have had control over her own body when she was doing what resulted in the inconvenient child. Cases of rape, incest, and danger to a mother's life are different, and should be looked at differently. Bella's statement in one of her post's that "A fetus is not a human being and has no rights. Period.*" is straight out of some totalitarian** regime that believes in population control through murder.
I could go on and on, but will only add this little anecdote from childhood. A friend of my grandfather had a large barn, used for hay and implement storage. One day, when we were visiting, I saw a very large rattlesnake crawling into the entryway, and ran to fetch my grandfather and his friend, who were out in the lot.
"Let him alone, son, he kills rats." my grandfather's friend admonished. "Just always remember, the snake lives in the barn, and you can't change a snake's nature."
So, I will let Bella alone, to live in her world, because she respects the Second Amendment, but I will always remember, that you can't change a snake's nature, and Bella's nature is to be a liberal, or totalitarian**.
*Posted on 08/09/09 at 08:45
** 1. of or pertaining to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Kennedy was anti-2nd amendment there's no doubt, and he was wrong to take that position. But I can accord him a bit of understanding; two brothers shot -- if you really believed that the prevalence of firearms makes the temptation to kill someone too strong, you might take his position. I wish he'd been closer to people in the hunting community. Maybe then he'd have seen the real problems that led to his brothers' deaths.

In other respects he was a good man. He reached out to and took great care of the 9-11 victims from his state. When Soviet Jewish refuseniks were being persecuted and given substandard treatment in the USSR, he made a way for them to immigrate to the USA. He was the guy who dressed-down John Sununu for being a chickenshit to a staffer. And Kennedy was always a good negotiator and willing to compromise to get things done.

He had his warts, but the Senate is worth without him.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Most optomistic thing I have read since the "election"!

http://townhall.com/columnists/KevinMcCullough/2009/08/30/why_the_o-mini...

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Kennedy has killed more people with his cars than I have with all my guns nuf said, he was a worthless POS JMNSVHO!

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from Carney wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

crm3006 = Good for you! I got tired of doing the responding last year during the elections and so my last post was a challenge for liberals to step up and lay out what their world view is based on and why it should be adopted in these days. We know that it cannot stand up to philosophical nor historical scrutiny, so I'm not surprised that the challenge went unheeded. Nevertheless, kudos to you for your excellent post.

As for wishing that Ted had been closer to the hunting community -- Walt Harrington's book, "The Everlasting Stream" is an excellent treatment of the hypocritical and elitist DC mindset on all things that hunters appreciate and consider noble! It's definitely worth its price!

As for me, I'm having a great day just clinging to guns and religion!

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from Gunslinger wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Thanks Moishe: I've not brrn feeling up to par lately, sure pray by hunting season I'm feeling. Will surely miss my annual Rocky Mtn hunt this year.Just maybe by next year the cards will be dealt in my favor. I love the Rockies as well as hunting here. I think I could be happy hunting any place on this beautiful country of ours.I trust Ted found peace prior to his depature, hopefully we all can. At 74, few hunts left in this old body, but just maybe a trip our west is yet to be taken. I would love to hunt New Mexico for Elk, will see what 2010 brings. Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from ranger2 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

'06, your a bright and articulate fellow, your welcome at my campfire any time~ JB

BTW, I can scarce resist the opportunity to whack the sh*t out of the snake, even if it does eat rats! LMAO!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read

Ever try to talk facts to a liberal when the subject is global warming? Never mind that the best conservative authorities have shown that their data is all fudged from the same broken thermometer stuck in some prof's window at Berkeley; if you show them the real data which shows that we're actually going into an ice age, they just change terminology and start babbling about "climate change"! As if a global ice age presented some kind of "problem" we needed to spend vast amounts of our tax dollars to "solve", when all it really means is lower cooling bills in the summer and easier storage for deer meat after a good hunt. When arguing with a liberal, there's just no point in bringing up these facts because, as the notorious Nazi sympathizer Heidegger liked to say, the time for decisions is over!

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from Kentucky Hunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

i have nothing good to say about him or his party at all
just hope he made his peace with the maker and sorry for his family and thier loss.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

“Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA -- ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.”
-Heinrich Himmler

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

About Liberals

Liberals have demands and unwritten given rights for themselves to be coddled and taken care of from cradle to grave and to believe you do have free choices provided they are the choices they give you, yet the limitation of choices do not apply to them and the result of making wrong choices is someone’s else’s fault and responsibility to pay for their own screw up. They take credit when things go right but it’s always someone else’s fault when it goes wrong.

They are always doing great things and taking credit until they run out of someone else’s money.

They believe in prochoice; too bad their mother wasn’t prochoice

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Clay Cooper-
Is it about time to re-post your treatise on the origins of Liberals and Conservatives again?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic
hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the
summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of
beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals; and
2. Conservatives

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the
beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can
were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around
waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the
brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at
night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what
is known as the Conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live
off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing
the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women.
The rest became known as girlie-men.

Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of
cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of
Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest,
most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are
symbolized by the jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer
white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like
their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard
liberal fare.

Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have
higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers,
personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group
therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still
provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo
cowboys, Polymer Science PhDs, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, Physicists, police officers, corporate executives,
athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers
and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans
are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals
remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They
crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of
trying to get more for nothing.

Here ends today's lesson in world history: It should be noted that a
Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above
before forwarding it. A Conservative will simply laugh and be so
convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be
forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals
just to piss them off.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

And for the Liberal’s, this one’s for you!

THE TRUTH - LIBERAL WOMEN ARE JEALOUS OF SARAH PALIN

Posted by Mike Silverman on Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:34:14 AM

The more I ponder the vitriol and venom that liberal women are spewing like acid at Sarah Palin, the more I have boiled it down to something less complicated than ideology from them. Sarah Palin is what they wish they could be. These liberal ladies want to have the cheers and throngs of full throated support that Sarah has, and they hate the fact that Sarah is an attractive Republican woman. She's strong, confident, Conservative, happy with her life, beautiful and admired by millions. The liberal female pundits, radical feminists and hollywood kooks who have cultivated thier narrow political audiences are bewildered and jealous over this. Sure there's some ideology mixed in, but I think it's used more as a cover for the seething jealousy of her popularity. To these liberal ladies, "they" are supposed to be the pinnacle of popularity. They have prostituted themsleves to the ideology of a fringe viewpoint , and as a result they get "in" to the elite gatherings of social snobbery that represent that radical view of the country. But , do they really believe the lunacy of the liberalism they spew, or are they towing the line so that they can keep that "in" crowd venue with the mopy miserable depressed liberals who wring thier hands at the unfairness of life, financial success, and carbon-dioxide? I think they secretly wish they could "be" Sarah Palin, because Sarah has not had to go "phony" and be something that "others" want her to be in order to "fit in" with the super egos of radical beligerants. She's not one of them. Sarah doesn't care to rub shoulders with the illuminati of liberal inner circles. It doesn't make sense to the liberal mindset. In thier world view there are not supposed to be "normal" people in this country. Or, at least the "normal" people are supposed to be the "fringe" nutcases not the rallying point of the great majority. But the rest of us know why Sarah is popular. Precisely because she represents the core values we cherish most.

Special Credit to
- Mike Silverman, Milford MA

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

More from Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read,

“During the past several years liberalism has come to be defined less by what it stands for than by whom it stands against. `The enemy of George Bush is my friend' might as well be the credo of American liberals at this moment in history. And since George Bush is the leader of our country, it follows that `the enemy of my country is my friend.'”

-James Taranto, in his Best of the Web column on OpinionJournal.com, 2006-Mar-27

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

A bet more from Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read,

“Now, however, the educational system has become the weapon of choice for modern liberals in their project of dismantling American culture.”
-Judge Robert Bork in Slouching Toward Gomorrah

That should crank up some heat, LMAO!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I find it interesting when a Democrat dies during a heated moment during a Senate race especially now trying to pass this death sentence bill for the elderly, the want us Conservatives to give them a free pass to do whatever they want and how they want.

Does anyone recall any wink or nod from the Democrats to give us anything we want unfettered to pass any Pro 2nd Amendment legislation when Regan passed away for us to pass?

NOT!

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

YA"BUDDY, THIS IS IT! Starts 5PM monday - friday!

http://www.910knew.com/cc-common/ondemand/player.html?world=st

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from matt28 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I'll keep it short... couldn't have happened to a more deserving piece of human waste. I jumped up and clicked my heels when I first heard... may he rot in hell!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Matt - I don't think he really needs your condemnation to hell. He already took care of that himself!

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from Bella wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I am delighted to have inspired so much passion.
For one, I only dispise two kinds of Christianity, Mormons and Evangelicals. My opinions about all the other numerous variations ranges from respect to tolerant amusement. I just don't think that what Mormons and Evangelicals DO reveals anything Yeshua would approve of. I personally try never judge anybody for what they SAY (except Liars), people will believe and SAY any damn thing at all. Freedom of speech and all that. What I will judge you on is what you DO. I ain't gonna go into what the friggin Mormons inflicted on me when I was a Kid, all I can say is I will hate that cult forever for what they did to me and my family (and you would too, if you saw it from my viewpoint). I dislike Evangelicals largely because of what the self-rightious leaders of such related organizations do and say. It is the tendency of both to attemp to warp the words of the Prince of Peace not to loving others but to hatefulness and to justify vamping on those they consider valid targets.
Claiming I am antichristian is just inaccurate, I am anti those "christians" who refuse to turn the other cheek and insist on judging others when they themselves are sinners. I read the New Testiment, I don't think "Reverend" Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptists actually did...He just pretended to do so and only quotes the bits that support his prejudices. I don't like hyppocrites at all, because I walk my talk. I claim You crm3006 are antichristian because you do none of the things commanded by your Savior and warp His words to suit your prejudices. No Humility, No Heaven!
I think that folks are trying to rewrite the dictionary again So I'll give you Roget's Thesaurus instead,
Liberal, 1, generous, giving, freehanded, charitable, lavish, philanthropic, bountiful, unsparing. 2,Abundant, plentiful, rich, copious. 3, Nonrestrictive, loose, free. 4, Tolerant, broadminded, accepting, indulgent. 5, Progressive, reformist.
To Liberate is to free, emancipate, unshackle, manumit,extricate or rescue. Totalitarianism is the exact opposite. None of the attributes of Totalitarianism match the definitions of liberalism or liberality in any way. The word closely related to Liberal is Liberty! Yes! I am a Liberal! By the real definition not the Orwellian constructs of reactionary pundits. I will call Liberality generous and freeing as that is it's definition properly, and when the "liberals" in the Democratic party try something that just ain't generous and freeing I'll call them on their double talk too! Really pisses me off when loud mouths insist that black is white and white black and seem to think that shouting it will make it so.
I'll say this, I don't want "special rights" for queer folks. I want a level playing field for everyone. Some folks seem to think that "hate crime" legislation grants special rights or protections for the Gays. Nothing is further from the truth. Often in the past LEO's wouldn't even look for someone who beats up or murders a queer or a tranny. Some states wouldn't even keep statistics. Equality has to be equal for everyone, or it isn't equal. Murders motivated by extreme passion are always overkill, I have known people who were beaten to near death then locked into the trunks of their own car which was then torched. That was a hate crime, the perps who did that deserve extreme retribution for an extreme act of malice. Not even crm3006's personal homophobia justifies such an extremely cruel act. I do not support "special right's", I just no longer wish to encounter a situation where any friend of mine is beaten or traumatized merely for existing and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think it is the Ego-Dystonic Homosexuals that need treatment, the ones who hate their own inner attraction to men soo much that they lash out and persecute other homosexuals to act out their own self-hatred. Fairly common in our society, and often inspired by misguided "religious" training in youth. How much happier the world would be if people would get over self denial and learn to love themselves for who they are, rather than some vacuous societal projections of "ideal" and "politically correct" (don't tell me that there isn't both a conservative and a progressive version of political correctness, the two sides mirror each other perfectly!).
Anyway I wish to say that I do not want the Queers Tolerated. I wish the Queers Accepted, mere tolerance is not good enough. I want Acceptance and Equality, for me and mine and I will not settle for any lesser portion. I am a veteran and I will not settle for second class citizenship because I PAID for Equality with years out of my life.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

This thread should have been entitled "Some Parting Shots at Ted Kennedy." The amount of hateful chickenshit fired from people here who universally don't know crap about the man and probably aren't morally fit to wash his underwear amazes me. I know the neg feedback is coming but some of you guys are really just putrid little pustules.. not at all fit to pass judgement on anyone yourselves.

Anyone who'd wish eternal damnation on someone isn't worth crossing the street to piss on even was they on fire.

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from John L wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Well Mike D,
Please re-read you own post, then I think you need to take a look in the mirror.
John L

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I'm fine with the guy in the mirror. I am confident that I'm in the right on this. And I have nothing else to offer other than pity for those who've made such a cock-up of their existence that all they can find time to do reflecting on the life of a fellow who tried to do alot of good despite some of his obvious faults is to hurl crap on his memory.

I'd take that to the bank. Anyone who doesn't like it or who thinks I'm in error has their head so far up their brown spot it'd take a chest cracker for them to see the light of day.

At the core Kennedy was a guy who tried to do right by alot of people. I wonder if any of the contributors to this blog tried to do as much for their fellow citizens?

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from semp wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Lots of opinions here ... that's part of America's Greatness! So ... anyone care to opine as to when I can get some 'small pistol primers' ? It's just hard to believe that CCI, Cheddite, Federal, Remmington, Winchester and Wolf(did I miss anybody?)are running max-output and the shelves are still bare ... bare for 6 months? Yo ... 'Grassy Knoll' theorists what evil lurks here?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

U can order them on-line usually. These days, all primers except shotgun primers seem to fetch a high price. Of course, if you get you a nice replica blackpowder revolver you can get shoot that .44 all day for a dime a shot! ;)

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from semp wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Yo Clay Copper ... your 'ProChoice' comment almost sent me to the underwear draw! Great Chuckle ... I need a lot more chuckles now days.

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from semp wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike Diehl ... I decided I wanted to reload for my .357Mag last Fall. So Santa brung me a set of dies. Prior to that I just reloaded for my rifles and .45 ACP. January&February are kinda indoor hobby days in Northern Vermont, getting real sick of post Inaugaration TV I order some primers ... more correctly I try to order ... I try PowderValley, Cabelas, MidwayUSA, MidSouth Shooters, and others ... finally I asked Cabelas to keep my order active until filled. The last guess Cabelas had is November maybe? PowderValley still claims a 50,000,000 primer backorder. Maybe I should trade in my .357 and dies on a .50BMG Barrett and dies ... primers are available for that pea shooter :-D

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from John L wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

To clarify, Mike, what I meant to say in my post was that chastising other people's , character, incivility and insults by outdoing them at the same thing (hurling insults and name calling), doesn't gain anything.
You may like what he stood for and tried to do, or dislike it and the results of what he did, but dueling name calling doesn't ever prove a point.
You have the same First Amendment Rights as the folks you referred to, but I didn't see any threats, justs opinions of both kinds.
I guess I should add, this applies to everyone who posted their opinion.

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from semp wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike Diehl ... I do have .44 Walker Colt replica by Uberti . Thing must weigh 4lbs. I always laugh when I watch one of the "Spaghitti era" Eastwood flics and some bad guy has 4 or 6 of them stuck in his belt without suspenders. I shot maybe 200--->300 .452 balls from ... not many X-ring hits to be had there. Most times I had no clue without using a 4'x4' target backing ... and that's at 15yards. Those balls just tend to wander while I wundered?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Those Uberti replicas are darned fine handguns. I've got an 1858 Remington/Uberti New Army that groups quite well.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Folks:

Given all the heat and flames and fire in some of the above postings, perhaps it is time for a story to make everyone (of every political ideology) laugh and relax and chill out. We all sit around the same campfire. Read the story, which I wrote last night. And enjoy.

She Had To Get Her Fix
By T.W. Davidson

This morning, on my way to the office, I stopped by a fast food joint known the world over for its twin yellow arches. Perhaps I have some recessive blue-collar low-brow genes residing somewhere in my system, but I firmly believe that the yellow arches people brew and serve coffee that smells better, tastes better, and costs less than any coffee (by any name, and there are many) served by, say, the largest coffeehouse chain in the world, which originated in Seattle around 1971.

The drive-thru at this particular yellow arches facility starts out as one lane that splits into two. The respective lanes go to and past separate menu boards, each equipped with a speaker and microphone. The idea is that two lines of drivers can place their orders simultaneously, thus (theoretically, anyway) reducing their waiting time and making the yellow arches people more money.

This morning, however, the drive-thru line seemed unusually long and slow. Drivers were using the drive-thru on the left side of the split, but not the one on the right. When I finally acquired a visual of the other drive-thru, I could see why: a brown boulder about 2' tall, about 3' wide, and about 3' thick from front to back, was planted directly in the middle of the lane. I estimated it weighed somewhere around 1500-1800 lbs, maybe even a ton. The boulder was about 15'-20' from where drivers would have placed their orders at the RH drive-thru menu board, had they been able to get to it. Though the boulder didn’t have a sign on it, and had no writing on it either–it was just a big ugly brown rock sitting in the middle of the lane–it was clear to me that the boulder–and the yellow arches people–were sending several messages:

1. The RH drive-thru menu board was inoperative, defunct, not working.

2. The yellow arches people (reasonably) believe that a sizable percentage of the people who come to their fine facility to buy what the yellow arches people euphemistically describe as “food,” can’t read.

3. The yellow arches people, believing that signs saying “Inoperative. Do Not Use This Lane” would not or could not be read, put the boulder in the inoperative drive-thru lane to deter and prevent patrons for using it.

4. In effect, then, the yellow arches people believed the boulder itself was a sign that even the stupidest retard would-be patron would comprehend, namely: MESSAGE TO MORONS--USE THE LEFT-HAND DRIVE-THRU. THAT, MORONS, IS WHY THERE’S A BIG F*CK*NG ROCK IN THE RH LANE. PLEASE BE SMARTER THAN THE F*CK*NG ROCK.

I proceeded into the left-hand drive-thru lane. Just as I about to place my standard order for a “coffee, medium, two creams,” however, a strange and bizarre movement on the far periphery of my right-side field of vision caught my eye and interrupted my train of thought.

I turned my head and looked. A shiny, bright, new or nearly new flashy red Camaro came into the RH drive-thru lane at excessive speed. The Camaro slammed on the brakes and slowed almost to a complete stop about 5'-6' from the boulder.

Then the Camaro eased up to the boulder and, using its plastic front bumper, and despite deafening frame-bending screeches of agony from the front end of the car, began attempting to bulldoze the boulder down the RH drive-thru lane.

I’ve seen a lot of strange sh*t in my life. I’ve seen even the sanest of people go completely off the deep end at times. But I’ve got to admit the New- Camaro-Bulldozing-The-Big-Boulder scene places way up near the top in my personal Most Bizarre Scenes collection of memories.

The people inside the yellow arches building must have had closed circuit TV cameras (CCTV) in the drive-thru lanes, because the person who had been taking my order in my drive-thru lane abruptly fell silent (presumably in shocked wonder) as the Camaro-as-Bulldozer scene unfolded. Ever helpful, I decided to act as an impromptu sports commentator and narrate the scene for posterity’s sake.

I said to the microphone on the menu board, and hopefully also to the CCTV cameras:

"Ladies and Gentleman, here we are at UFC #337 and
by golly, today we’ve brought you a genuine Clash
of Titans!!! Big Brown Rock vs. Brand New Camaro,
who will win this mighty battle???

The bell has rung and the first round is underway.
Mortal enemies have locked with each other in
combat!!!

The Camaro is having a hard time with the boulder.
Look at the way the rear wheels are spinning out.
The muscle car is attempting to push a rock that weighs nearly as much as the car does! Look at that
front end bend and crumple!!! Listen to that big V-8
scream!!!! My god, what a battle!!!!

But wait, hold on . . . folks, the Camaro is gaining
ground!!! The Camaro is actually moving
the rock!!! Like a 3000 lb. sumo
wrestler, the Camaro has pushed the boulder past
the menu board in the RH drive-thru lane!!! What
will happen next?"

At this point my enthusastic narrative–I was envisioning this whole scene being reproduced for millions on U-Tube–was sadly interrupted. The Camaro put itself in rear gear and, with a screech of torn metal, crushed headlights and crippled radiator fan, backed away from the boulder about 8' and stopped. The car seemed to pant and shudder in exhaustion. It bled radiator fluid and hot engine oil all over the pavement. The big brown boulder, though moved from its original position, appeared unscathed. Indifferent.

The driver’s window of the Camaro came down. A very pretty blonde woman in her late 30s or early 40s was behind the wheel. The woman stuck her head out the window and shouted at the (defunct) menu board in her lane: "Hey, you’all in there. There’s a big rock out here. It just attacked my car and injured it really badly. I want you to come out here right now and move this rock and repair my car. Now, dammit, before I sue your as*es. And bring me some coffee while you're at it!"

I turned to the microphone at my menu board and said, “Only someone who is high, intoxicated, or too stupid to drive could have done what that lady in the Camaro just did. Call Tyler P.D. and get someone out here before the lady decides to run someone over rather than merely push a giant rock around with her new Camaro.” A new voice, a male voice (presumably the yellow arches manager), answered. He said, “We’re on it. We just dialed 911. That was the strangest thing I’ve ever seen in my whole life.”

I rolled down my passenger side window and said (not unkindly) to the Camaro lady, “Ma’am, your car is trashed. Please, you should just shut off the engine. Help is on the way.”

Then the trouble-making devil that lives within me made me add, “By the way, it looks like the boulder kicked the sh*t out of your car. My score is Boulder, 1, Camaro, O. Boulder takes the title.”

Something in the blonde woman’s head snapped. Her entire being instantly radiated volcanic white-hot rage. She stomped her foot and pointed at me and screamed, “You’re an as*h*le! Crawl into a hole somewhere and just die!”

I reflected on her summary of my total qualities and achievements in life. I noted, with sadness and regret, that I had heard a number of other beautiful women (one of whom I truly loved) scream similar epithets at me in recent years gone by. The one I truly loved had even nastily said to me, with an evil smile, “You just bring out that quality in people, Thad. It’s your charming personality. As*h*le.”

I looked at the Camaro lady and said, mildly, “Ma’am, I concede to you that I HAVE an as*h*le, but I will never agree with you that I AM an as*h*le.” I felt the internal devil rise in me again. I tried as hard as I could but just could not stop myself from saying, “By the way, what do you think the repair bill will be on the boulder? Would you like me to call a tow truck for your Camaro, ma’am?”

The lady threw back her head. Her blonde tresses quivered and shook as she screamed incoherently at the top of her lungs at me in molten lava rage. I thought, So this is the Voice of Tongues.

I wondered if the Camaro lady had a concealed weapon in the wreckage of her car. She seemed hot enough to use it, and I had a real bad feeling about who her first target would be. I said to the lady, “911 has been called. The Tyler Police Department is on the way. Everything you do and say is being recorded on CCTV. Please calm down before the cops get here, or things will only get worse for you.”

The Camaro lady looked at me with laser eyes of rage, venom and hate. (Again, an occurrence I’ve experienced with other beautiful women in recent years.) I’m glad she didn’t have a gun, or a knife, or a cattle prod in her hands. She screamed again, “You’re an as*hole!!!” Then she jumped in her car, slammed it into gear, rev'ved the engine, dropped the clutch, and burned rubber out the driv-thru lane . . . scraping the entire left side of her Camaro against the boulder on her way out.

So, folks . . . should I have been more compassionate? Should I have attempted to be a Kind and Gentle and Tender Caring Person? Is it somehow MY fault that this woman used her brand new Camaro as a bulldozer to attack, bruise and displace an innocent boulder that was merely minding its own business? And, finally, could ANY of you kept your mouths shut in the same circumstances?

Thoughts and comments, should they come my way, will be appreciated as always. I hope the story everyone laugh and feel better. Peace to all.
TWD, 1 Sept. 09

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from snowninja wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Someone once told me "The only way to know how you lived, is to hear what they say when your dead".

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Depends who "they" is. When strangers speak ill of the dead it is more telling of the shallowness of the speaker than of the deceased.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Diehl

Ted Kennedy was a piece of $hit and you know it. I spoke ill of that drunken SOB every time his name came up or I saw his scrotum face on TV. Being dead will never change it, either. I don't need to condemn him to anywhere or anything. He did a good job on his own. Examine the facts with your PhD liberal head out of the liberal cesspool of lies and fantasies. When you are a pubic figure for most of your adult life, expect to draw fire.

As for your assault on folks who had negative things to say, what makes you so morally superior? For the record, I'll phucking say what I pheel like saying regardless of yours or anyone elses whining.

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from semp wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mtnhunter ... Yup!

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from Bella wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

TWD that was amazing, If That One in the camaro is allowed to breed the Earth is truely doomed...
People loved Ted in Massachusetts because he did so much for ordinary folks. He never forgot anybodies name and he brought home the bacon for Massachusetts again and again. Yeah, he had some personal issues and some things he had to live down, but he was human. He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.
The Kennedys have always been leaders. Ted (and his illustrious brothers) are direct descendants of Brian Boru, last High King of Eire. The very genes of the Kennedys predispose them to leadership.
There is one thing I know about Leaders, there are a lot of posers who think they are leaders but who don't know poop about how to motivate and inspire other human beings. Yet often when the poop is hitting the fan a body will step forward and lead, providing direction through whatever chaos has befallen. This teaches me that leaders are not chosen but are revealed...only adversity uncovers real leadership. You can't really trust a leader till he or she has been through the fire and shown their mettle. Ted may or may not have been through the fire, but he certainly went through deep water. The very sins so many deemed Ted unworthy for marked when Ted got serious and truely filled a Kennedy's shoes. The tragedy made the man, the Sea Ettins took a sacrifice and bestowed a kind of greatness. Still Ted died the straw death and so goes on to Helheim with all the rest...His elder brothers all sit in Valhalla now, Does Joe fly a Bomber for Odin's entertainment and does John still skipper a PT? Perhaps, Odin knows. I might surmise however that if RFK contests before Odin's high seat, he does it with a briefcase and lawbooks. But Valhalla and the Valkyris are not for Ted, who died in bed.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I think R.I.P. would be a fitting end to this thread....

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"Ted Kennedy was a piece of $hit and you know it."

I don't know it and I know his record well enough to know he tried to do some real good and despite not agreeing with everything he wanted to do I am, unlike yourself, truthful enough to admit it.

"I spoke ill of that drunken SOB every time his name came up or I saw his scrotum face on TV."

Yeah. I can believe that you're All Hero when you're yelling at your TV.

"Examine the facts with your PhD liberal head out of the liberal cesspool of lies and fantasies."

The only cesspool around here seems to be flowing from your infected pie-hole.

"When you are a pubic figure for most of your adult life, expect to draw fire."

Draw argument, yes. Cheap petty shots, well, only from certain low lives.

"As for your assault on folks who had negative things to say, what makes you so morally superior?"

My knowledge of the facts, my dedication to decorum, my overall good looks, and my basic moral superiority. At least you don't hear me taking cheap shots at the dead.

"For the record, I'll phucking say what I pheel like saying regardless of yours or anyone elses whining."

I never whine. I banter, rebut, and occasionally when dressing down a sniveling little loser like yourself, I get blunt. Feel free to rant on though. I'm sure it says all manner of wonderful things about you that you're such a hero in front of your TV and that you're so good taking cheap shots at the reputations of dead men.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

WA I apologize for calling you a sniveling loser. It was retaliation for your remark about "whining" and calling me a "liberal" (neither of which are accurate) but you and I have agreed more often than not & I ought not to let one disagreement sway my opinion.

That said, I can't beleive you can't find any merit in Kennedy's accomplishments. Let's take a poll. Of the people here who just loathe Kennedy, how many of 'em took any 9-11 victims' families into their homes or, say, took on a big brother roll for some fatherless kid after 9-11?

Look at the WHOLE record and then try to tell me he was a "worthless" person.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike D.

I'm sure the late Teddy did some good for some poor lost urchins in Mass. He did more to advance the liberal agenda infecting this country than anyone else I can think of. That's about as nice as it gets.

You are correct. It is hard to be totally worthless, but for my nickel he comes close. He has real competition from Hillary Clinton though. I guess you should leave our worthless blog since an overwhelming majority of the bloggers have a strong opinion similar to mine. You and Bella and TWD should find somewhere more intellectually challenging to proclaim your moral superiority. I would not want you to become tainted by us low lifes.

Give me a break.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I'm not sure what you mean by a "liberal agenda infecting this country." I think this country has alot of political infections. Certainly there are no "republicans" in the Eisenhower, TR, or Lincoln sense in the GOP and there are no conservatives in the ranks of the current republicans. Likewise there aren't many actual progressives (which term recalls people like Lincoln, TR, Harry Truman, and Eisenhower) in the Democratic party.

I honestly don't give a rip whether or not 99% of the people in this blog are willing to demonstrate the same knee-jerk reactionary lack of intelligence directed at Kennedy. If they don't like my challenging on it they can FOAD. Anyone who doesn't like my opinion is free to go find a skinhead website or something where the general thrust of the comments directed at Kennedy in this blog more properly belong.

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from John L wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike,
If you're going to start apologizing for your insults, go back and read your own posts. You've got a lot more than just one to do.
"My knowledge of the facts, (from your point of view)
my dedication to decorum, (?????????)
my overall good looks, (don't know, can't argue)
and my basic moral superiority. (again, ???????)
At least you don't hear me taking cheap shots at the dead. (nope, just at the living)"

So, Teddy lets someone drown, but is nice to some kids?
Call it even?
Tries to do nice things, regardless of the real consequences that result?
Even?
Any merit in Kennedy's accomplishments?
Best thing he ever managed to do was to be born into that family (and it's money), without that he'd have spent his career in jail, not in the Senate.
I suspect that the majority of the people you lumped into a group and hurled insults at here have lived much better (law abiding if not elected)lives, and expected much less credit for it than ol' Teddy ever wanted to be honored for.
American Royalty indeed!
No, I didn't "loathe" him, I don't loathe anybody, but he didn't fool me either.
That being said, I suspect also that another thing that causes some of the responses here ( I know it does for me) is the media's fawning ass-kissin' drumbeat.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Dear Mr. President, Senate and House of Representatives:

I'm planning to move my family and extended family (18-20 mouths) into Mexico
for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.

We're planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico ,
and we'll need your help to make a few arrangements.

We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas
and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here.

So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I'm on my way
over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need,
whether I use them or not.
3. All Mexico government forms need to also be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual)
teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their
school.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to
government services.

9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico, but, I don't plan to purchase
car insurance, and I probably won't make any special effort to learn local
traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from
their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has
at least one English-speaking officer.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put U S. flag decals on my
car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th.

I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have
any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.

13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely
nice and never say a critical things about me or my family, or about the
strain we might place on their economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for
all his people who come to the U.S. from Mexico .. I am sure that President
Calderon won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

Sincerely, US Citizen & Taxpayer

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Ya”Ol Ted did bring home the bacon for Massachusetts again and again, steeling it from those who busted there ass for it and gave to the freeloaders of Massachusetts!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"You've got a lot more than just one to do."

Nope. I never start one but I'll always retaliate.

"My dedication to decorum, (?????????)..."

You have trouble with sarcasm, don't you?

"So, Teddy lets someone drown, but is nice to some kids?
Call it even?"

Wtf do you know of it? NOTHING except what some reactionary activist told you to believe. Kennedy appears to have tried to get into that car several times immediately after it went into the water, and then came back within an hour with help. Now, I know it's hard for you to get past the political INDOC you've digested on this, so tell me: in a decent tidal rip current at night in 20 feet of water could YOU dive into the water, find the car, get the door open, and effect a timely rescue?

As to "nice to some kids." That is of course the most absurd UNDERSTATEMENT to sum up a lifetime of a person's efforts that you could offer. Saying that he was "nice to some kids" is like saying "Neil Armstrong rode in an aircraft one day."

"I suspect that ..than ol' Teddy ever wanted to be honored for."

Again, YOU KNOW NOTHING. Did you ever meet the guy? Write to him? Work for him? Work against him in the US Senate? Try to negotiate a deal? You're talking out your ass on this and you know it.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

The score is now:

Rock 1
Camaro 0
Ted Kennedy 0
Liberals 0
McDonald's coffee 1
Starbucks coffee 0
availabilty of small pistol primers 0
Mormons 0
Evangelical Christians 0
Yehsua 1
2nd amendment 1

if I left out someone or something it is purely out of
carelessness.....
DEP, how do you sleep at night knowing the forum can run off the rails and get so utterly f***ed up sometimes?
Otherwise, its very entertaining.

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from John L wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

You'll never start one but will retaliate.
I don't believe the thread began with people's opinions of you, unless you are channeling ole' Teddy.
The responses were about someone who spent his whole life (warts, good deeds, and all) in the public eye.
To many, the bad outweighed the good, to others vice versa.
Fine, lots of different opinions, based on what different people observed. Like him or not.
We'll agree to disagree.
I mean, WTF do I know?
You've obviously formed your opinion of the rest of us dumbf...s, based on your having "met,worked with, talked to, negotiated a deal with" us, is that the standard?
I mean you certainly wouldn't ...well, I guess you would.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"You'll never start one but will retaliate."

That's right.

"I don't believe the thread began with people's opinions of you, unless you are channeling ole' Teddy."

Don't trash a good person unless you want a fight. Most people are taught not to speak ill of the dead. Most people regard it a matter of dishonesty when people say the incredibly bullshit ridden spiteful things about a person that Kennedy's detractors have offered here. If I knew enough about YOU to think YOUR reputation were worth defending, and if some troll came up with a whole bunch of unsubstantiated baloney about YOU, I'd give 'em the same treatment. Even was you alive. Which given the content of your posts is open to reasonable doubt.

"We'll agree to disagree."

Nope. You're wrong and that's the only point of view that has any basis in reality.

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from John L wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Well, I was 12 years old when JFK was assassinated.
Robert not long after.
Since that time everything that Edward (Teddy)did was lovingly and massively covered by the media so it wasn't as if his record (public and private) were not available, if someone was paying attention, which I happened to do.
I must forever in the future defer to your opinion, the only "basis in reality".
I have now seen the light.
Will ignore his speeches, voting record, and overall character. He was a saint.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"You're wrong and that's the only point of view that has any basis in reality."
And I thought Bella and yoyo were stuck on stupid liberal left wingnuts. Mike Diehl, INHO, you need some meds or counseling, or just some corner time to chill out.

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from Bob81 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Focusfront,
I have to disagree with you on the same sex marriage thing. Christians in no way invented marriage; it was around a long time before the time of Christ. Arguing that allowing same-sex marriage "takes away the rights of Christians" is like arguing that allowing women to vote "took away the rights of men".

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from semp wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

This is corn ... I'm off to listen to a real nut--->Glen Beck :-D .

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"you need some meds or *counseling*"

Is that the word that reactionaries use now instead of "brainwashing?"

I should take some meds or get some, err, brainwashing, so that I won't leap to the defense of a basically decent guy, from the attacks of people who know nothing about him, but who have such great personal values that they'll culumnify a dead man's rep?

More people could use that sort of "disorder" I think. I'll let you make that comparison ANY day.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike Diehl
Thinking Teddy Kennedy was a basically decent guy proves my point. He was a left leaning elitist Liberal, which is legal, but was protected from facing a murder charge by money and position, which is not. Unfortunately, Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for her comment.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Next, we will be entertained by someone extolling the virtues of Rep Barney Frank, D-MA. What a kind loving fellow he is who almost single handedly saved the U.S. from collapse by refusing to believe that all the hints about the impending banking and loan bailout were pure fantasy. Of course had we listened to him all along, we never would have been in trouble in the first place. He knew what was best for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the rest of the country was just plain stupid! Not intellectually capable of understanding the system like the illuminati such as he.

And your young women who serve as House pages are perfectly safe in the company of such a fine gentleman. Boys might be a different matter....

Diehl, you keep repeating that stuff over and over and sooner or later you will believe it! Keep it up! Chant, "Obama, Obama, Our Obama" over and over. Come on, let's hear it for ol' Ted! He is the one who endorsed Obama!

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from Bella wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Yep, Mike, love them cap n' ball revolvers. Cast up your own bullets out of old fishing weights and I bet it is even cheaper than .10 per round.
We had an old banana hanger we never used, I took another look at the thing and there I saw a pistol reloading stand! Just a bit of whittling here and there then I had a stand to hold my 1858 Peitta Remmington vertical for charging! I have convinced all my buddies at the range to get cap and ball revolvers too, I have so much fun with mine. I generally shoot .44 "cowboy conicals" I cast up myself, though I had a stainless model that would only chamber ball ammo. I liked the stainless steel, but I wanted to shoot conical bullets so I sold it off to a friend o mine. Because some of my shootin buddies live in NH and I live in Mass, I have pushed the black powder pistols because I know that Mass doesn't consider them firearms if they are muzzleloaders, and therefore my peeps wouln't be hasseled with Masterbachusetts inane gun laws. We makum big smoke in woods! Shootum up heap big vegitables!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"but was protected from facing a murder charge by money and position, which is not. Unfortunately, Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for her comment."

That would be an example of talking out your hind end about a subject of which you know nothing. There was a Coroner's Inquest and independently of that a Grand Jury. The Grand Jury refused to indict on consideration of manslaughter etc.

The claim that there was this big conspiracy to evade justice is false, just as the claim that 'Kennedy did nothing to try to save her' is false. Both of those assertions have about as much credibility as the 9-11 Trufers who think it was all a CIA conspiracy.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

HEY WA Mtnhunter

THAT'S MY LINE!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

We should put a season on Pork Barrel Spenders!!!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..."

Translation: "The truth is too much for most reactionaries to bear. Better to remain a mushroom and eat the bs they keep feeding me."

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"There was a Coroner's Inquest and independently of that a Grand Jury. The Grand Jury refused to indict on consideration of manslaughter etc."
Talk about talking out your ass!!! If money and position didn't have anything to do with that finding, I'll eat my hat!Give it up, Diehl, you are defending the indefensible.
Kennedy was a murder, or at the very best, guilty of vehicular manslaughter.

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from dave the bowhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

what i like is now that kennedy is dead,,they had to make sure the public knows,,that he had his slave obama take a letter to the pope over seas,to try to redeem him self for all the lieing and murdures stuff he done over the years,you would think a letter like that would be personel,but they just wanted to prop kenndey up a little more with it, by telling every body about it...i wonder what that cost us for that little side trip??iam sure they would tell you it was well spent money ,the pope pry laughed under his breath about that one

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Good comment,dave the bowhunter, always heard you couldn't buy your way into heaven, but if your name is Kennedy, guess you will try to buy anything. Even out of a murder charge.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Hey Mike,

Did you get to go dove or other bird hunting on a Sept 1st opener where you live? Not much dove hunting around here, but am gonna hit early canada goose next week. Dog is reaaaaadddyyy to rumble!

WMH

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from Bella wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Unlike so many of you out there who think the only truth uttered comes from Saints Hannity and Limbaugh, I have actually been to Chappaquidick and stood on the bridge in question. It would be easy to drive off that bridge in daylight. Ted tried to save her but couldn't, the water there is deep and swift, the only people who still blame Ted are people on the opposite side of the political fence. The courts cleared him, but he became one of the old umpty point bucks of the Senate, and open season lasted all year. Perhaps he is resented because he was loved by his consituants. I loved the anecdote about the construction worker who Asked Ted "I understand Sir, that you have never worked a day in your life." Then before Ted could respond the construction guy said "You know, you haven't missed a thing!" Yes, Ted was a Kennedy, and as such was financially secure from the git go, but with him it seemed to mean that he never needed to feather his nest like so many other politicos. No oil company could bribe him by jacking up his house, Nor need he cotton up to industry for "consulting fees", he has never needed the money. Once running for POTUS was off the table, He did one thing, he was a senator. I lowered my Flag to Half mast on the day he died, because a half century in the Senate is a lifetime serving the people. The very fact that his name is so viciously cursed is testiment to his effectiveness at doing his job. Every conservative who cusses out Dead Ted adds a brick to his memorial. He pissed people off because he got stuff done. He was a politician, he made deals, some of which I didn't like. True he didn't like guns and I do, but I still have my firearms, he didn't ever take them away or the ammunition (and now he is quite past the point of legislation).
So go cuss yourselves blue in the face for Old Dead Ted. But remember every time you curse someone you only reveal your own vulnerability, your own fear and weakness. So by all means let out the invective, I have yet to see an Ad hominum critique of Ted that had a particle of substance aside from the notion that he may have blamed "guns" for his brothers deaths (which is blaming the workmanship on the tools). That one sticks, yes, but if you had lost 2 (actually 3) brothers you loved you might also hold an irrational opinion or two. After all, irrational ideas are fairly common these days...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Bella

If your statement is true, then I have added enough bricks for them to build the 4th Pyramid of Giza.

LOL

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I find it interesting those who voted for Kennedy wanted something for nothing. Saying that, Kennedy’s death is one less hand in my back pocket!

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Bella tell me something, what is it really like being a Freedom Freeloader?

As you said, he brought the bacon home or better put bringing the pork home.

The truth of the matter is, Kennedy stole the money by administratively raping the nation for his own personal gain!

In other words, it’s like stealing someone else’s credit card and allowing friends to use it so what’s the difference

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from Ruckweiler wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike Diehl:
Are you just obtuse? Teddy and his entire life were one big front-page story. From his politics to his failings,you'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to have not noticed. He was VERY much the known quantity. Old Joe's money gave him the freedom not to give a damn. Criticism of him, whether dead or alive, came with the territory. Sorry it bothers you so.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Let me put this into perspective.
I put 20 years in the Military and those of my same rank qualified for food stamps. We moved so much buying a hose was not an option.
Retired from the Military, Civilians my age have a 20 year lead on paying for a house third the price of the one I just bought next door. They have a 20 year head start in major companies and worked their way up and regardless of my advanced skills they say I’m not qualified (age discrimination at its finest).

For the past five years, my Wife and I have sacrificed everything and busted our ass to get where we are at now and those Freedom Freeloaders called Democrats who to damn lazy want a piece of my pie?

Get off your lazy ass and start being responsible for yourself!!!

AND!

Go kiss your own JACK" ASS"!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

@WA Mtnhunter -

I made it out today. The birds were wary and evading like all get out. I hunt them in open desert so they're sort of hard to predict. But it was strange of the two I got this AM one was full of amaranth on one full of wheat. I don't know where he found the wheat. Maybe he was migrating from up north!

Back after them on Monday I think.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Hey MIke what part of the country you in?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

@Clay -

I live in AZ.

Bear in mind that I'm a taxpayer too, and I don't like to pay taxes. I vote both parties, so I don't really have a political affiliation.

What I think of Ted, well, he did his military time too. And I can't see anything all that terrible about trying to get people who have none into food, shelter, and decent medical care.

What's the alternative? Just let everyone who's had a bad luck streak, reallyt awful parents, or had their job shipped overseas drop dead? Fend for themselves?

Bear in mind that there are LOTS of working poor who need that help because the jobs they can get don't pay that much. (As an aside, supply-siders like to complain about unions, but at least labor unions had the effect of creating working citizens who paid their taxes and who don't live on taxpayer subsidies.)

Bottom line is that classical macroeconomic theory never had a way to account for state controlled industrial powers like China, where workers get what the local party boss tells them they'll get and they'll like it or wind up donating organs to the black market, and where health care and energy costs for which American industries pay are provided to Chinese industries at waay below market rates, and where currency manipulation and trade barriers are simply s.o.p. (and our gov't won't retaliate because the China lobby funds all the so-called "Free Market" "Think Tanks" in D.C.)

If there's some magic solution for providing for basic human needs for Americans who can't provide 'em for themselves, other than taxpayer support, I'd like to know what it is. Until then I hold my nose, pay the awful taxes, deplore the wasteful spending and trudge on.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike Diehl

I lived in AZ, what part? Might have some good info for you to go hunt

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Governor Michael Dale " Mike" Huckabee for 2012!

AND YES TO

“THE FAIR TAX PLAN!”

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 4 years 23 weeks ago

That goes with the old saying that guns kill people and they are responsible for the many murders that happen in this country. The reality is, people kill people. If you make a law outlawing guns, the only people who are going to follow it are the law-abiding citizens, not the people who commit murders and crimes and such. Those gangster and criminals are always going to have their hands on guns no matter what the law. With a law outlawing guns, the only thing that does is take away the protection that many law abiding citizens have against such criminals.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 4 years 23 weeks ago

Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Any law that restricts people from buying guns/pistols or anything of that sort will not help anything. The only people who will obey that law are the law abiding citizens. Those who actually commit the crimes, and give gun owners a bad rep, are not going to follow the laws no matter what. Outlawing guns/pistols or whatever would just take away guns from those who would defend themselves, giving the criminals an even bigger upper-hand.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

As soon as his cancer was detected, I noticed the immediate attempt at the "canonization" of old Teddy Kennedy by the mainstream media. They are saying what a "great American" he is. I say, let's get a couple things clear & not twist the facts to change the real history:

1. He was caught cheating at Harvard when he attended it. He was expelled twice, once for cheating on a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him.

2. While expelled, Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for four years instead of two. Oops! The man can't count to four! His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England (a step up from bootlegging liquor into the US from Canada during prohibition), pulled the necessary strings to have his enlistment shortened to two years, and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea , where a war was raging. No preferential treatment for him!(like he charged that President Bush received).

3. Kennedy was assigned to Paris , never advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon being discharged. Imagine a person of
his "education" NEVER advancing past the rank of Private!

4. While attending law school at the University of Virginia, he was cited for reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving 90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after dark.. Yet his Virginia driver's license was never revoked. Coincidentally, he passed the bar exam in 1959. Amazing!

5. In 1964, he was seriously injured in a plane crash and hospitalized for several months. Test results done by the hospital at the time he was admitted had shown he was legally intoxicated. The results of those tests remained a "state secret" until in the 1980's when the report was unsealed. Didn't hear about that from the unbiased media, did we?

6. On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts . At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur's keys to his Oldsmobile limousine and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit bridge with no guard rail, Kennedy steered the car off the bridge, flipped, and into Poucha Pond.

7. He swam to shore and walked back to the party passing several houses and a fire station. Two friends then returned with him to the scene of the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew - that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep. Kennedy called the police the next morning and by then the wreck had already been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car. The Kennedy family began "calling in favors", ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family before an autopsy could be conducted. Further details are uncertain, but after the accident Kennedy says he repeatedly dove under the water trying to rescue Kopechne and he didn't call
police because he was in a state of shock. It is widely assumed Kennedy was drunk, and he held off calling police in hopes that his family could fix the problem overnight. Since the accident, Kennedy's "political enemies" have referred to him as the distinguished Senator from Chappaquiddick. He
pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, and was given a SUSPENDED SENTENCE OF TWO MONTHS. Kopechne's family received a small payout from the Kennedy's insurance policy and never sued. There was later an effort to have her body exhumed and autopsied, but her family successfully fought against this in court, and Kennedy's family paid their attorney's bills.... a "token of friendship"?

8. Kennedy has held his Senate seat for more than forty years, but considering his longevity, his accomplishments seem scant. He authored or argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health care easier for the indigent, funded Meals on Wheels for fixed-income seniors, and is widely held as the "standard-bearer for liberalism". In his very first Senate role he was the floor manager for the bill that turned U.S. immigration policy upside down and opened the floodgate for immigrants from third world countries..

9. Since that time, he has been the prime instigator and author of every expansion of an increase in immigration up to and including the latest attempt to grant amnesty to illegal aliens. Not to mention the pious grilling he gave the last two Supreme Court nominees, as if he was the standard bearer for the nation in matters of "what is right" What a pompous ass!

10. He is known around Washington as a public drunk, loud, boisterous, and very disrespectful to ladies. JERK is a better description than "great American". "A blonde in every pond" is his motto.

Let's not allow the spin doctors to make this jerk a hero -- how quickly the American public forgets what his real legacy is.

A lot of the younger people don't have a clue about all
of this, and us older ones tend to forget things that happened so many years ago. Although I HAVEN'T!

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from 007 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Anybody remember Mary Jo Kopecney? Why didn't Senator Kennedy work against vehicular homicides, especially when DUI was involved?

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Like I have said before who is more valuable to this country Michael or the marine who died in Iraq or Afganastan yesterday? Sadly few of us know that marine's name and some people just don't care. This whole business is mostly the result of biased media coverage. More or less it still all gets back to money which is what made Michael what he was and also attended to the needs of Teddy when he required assistance. The marine, he "just" trained, fought, and died, may God bless him.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

logan.vandermay

Wake up!

From the Peoples Republic of Taxachusetts who bring you the likes of Rep. Barney Frank and Sen. John Kerry? Surely you jest. Here, pee in this bottle for me.

You can expect another anti-gun, pro-abortion, Obama Health Care supporting piece of liberal crap.

While I do not harbor ill will for the departed Kennedy's one and all, I'm glad they are gone from American politics, period. Too bad they were so prolific in spreading their high-minded liberal elitist manure and genes.

Here ya' go, Teddy. This one's for you ,,l,,

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

No, Michael jackson was too busy with little boys shoving things down throats. Another scumbag in Hell now.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

The heck with Ted.
I'm still grieving over Billy Mays and now Dominic Dunn.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Like i've said before, Blaming guns for Columbine is like blaming spoons for Rosie O'Donnell being fat! Same goes for the Kennedy's

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Political assassination is not and has never been acceptable as a solution for a nation's problems. It generally results from corruption and anarchy, neither of which is a good thing.

Let's whack 'em at the voting booth!

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from ricefarm wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Bella, I don't think you understand the issues involved. No conservative wants only white males to have the legal right to own guns, we all want EVERYONE, male, female, any color skin to have the same right. Ted Kennedy didn't wany anyone outside of his personal bodyguard to have that right. Especially not women, many of which might have availed themselves of the opportunity to defend themselves against his unwanted advances, something he was rather famous for.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Bella,
At the 1972 Democratic National Convention, Congresswoman Barbara Jordan of Houston, Texas (and the most eloquent speaker I have ever heard) warned that we were in danger of becoming a nation of special interest groups; and thus would become divided, instead of united. Looks like she was pretty dead on 37 years ago. I earnestly believe that we should unite in the fight to keep our 2nd amendment rights. If a politician votes even once for gun control, vote against him or her in the next election no matter the party affiliation or his or her stances on any other issue. If we lose this right, or it is infringed in any way, then all of our rights including the 1st amendment is not worth a damn, because we will lose them also.
Look at history; almost every generation has had to fight to keep our freedom for the next generation. My father fought in the Pacific during WWII. It is our turn to fight now to keep these freedoms for the next generation. Another historical note: Read Tito's memoirs. The main reason the Japanese did not invade after they staggered us at Pearl Harbor is because they KNEW most every American owned personal firearms and would willingly use them to defend their country. An army can be defeated; a mass of armed people determined to fight in unorthodox ways cannot be defeated easily; a lesson the British learned the hard way as well as the Russians in Afghanistan, and we in Viet Nam. This is not frothing at the mouth bubbaism, but simple facts.
The liberals in power do not believe in private ownership of firearms, neither does George Soros and moveon.org. Do not take this lightly; there are people who want you to give up your right to keep and bear arms and there can be only one reason for doing so; you will be unable to effectively fight back in any way to keep any other freedoms.
God bless ya,

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

It’s unfortunate and sad to say I cannot say anything good about Senator Edward M. Kennedy. All I do remember of him his is vicious attacks on my Constitutional rights and freedoms.

Therefore I can only say, I forgive him and may his sole rest in peace.

My condolences to Family and Fiends

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I'm sorry for the Kennedy family's loss. There ends all the nice things I can say.

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from s-kfry wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I'm having a real hard time shedding a tear for the late Senator. I would like to point out that his final “political” act was to attempt to again change the laws that govern how a successor is chosen for a deceased senator in MA. Just the last corrupt action in a long line of corrupt unscrupulous actions.

Now, the argument is that the people of MA need to have representation in Congress in the interim until the special election is held. Interesting that they weren’t screaming for Ted to step down a year ago when he was first diagnosed with cancer and haven’t been screaming the last 8 months that he has not been in Washington. Now, all of the sudden the law he got passed to prevent John Kerry’s seat (should he have been elected in 2004) from going Republican is biting them in the butt and they are again monkeying with the system to bend it to their purposes. That’s not representation, that’s wrong.

God bless his family, we are sorry for the loss that they are feeling.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Kennedy may be dead but all the people that voted for him are ready to vote for his clone.

Scary.

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from Clem Snide wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Old Joe Kennedy’s mistress was starlet Gloria Swanson. He frequently brought her home with him for the weekend. Fine way to raise your kids.

After that Kennedy heir was killed in Colorado playing football on skis (which was illegal and which the park rangers had warned him about), there was much media snot slinging over the Kennedy “curse.” If you will remember, this young fool skied into a tree while looking behind him. My favorite living Southern writer, Florence King, characterized the incident and the family thusly: “He was killed doing what Daffy Duck does in cartoons every Saturday morning. But since he was a Kennedy, we pronounced it a tragedy and blamed it on a curse.”

In contrasting the plebian nature of the Kennedy appeal with the patrician nature of our first political dynasty, the Adams family, she said, “Kennedys R us; Adamses ain’t.”

One final note: JFK Jr. was killed because he knowingly flew into a situation that would have required an instrument rating, which he didn’t have. But the rules are for lesser mortals such as ourselves.

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from focusfront wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Amflier, I think your humor is a little too ironic for some of us. You made a great comment to Bella, though.

Bella, guns are part of the whole picture; almost a litmus test, in fact.

And liberalism is about taking away rights. For example, gun control takes guns from the hands of the law-abiding gun owner and does nothing to the criminal.

Abortion kills the innocent. Abortion on demand is usually murder-- taking the lives of children who are not to blame for being conceived but have been.

Gay marriage attacks the law abiding. Gays can live together anywhere, any time, and gay partners can give each other all the legal rights they need with one visit to a lawyer. Gay marriage legislation is aimed at US-- those who understand that marriage was NOT invented by the founding fathers, and that the laws of this country recognize rather than define marriage as the union of a man and a woman. Churches, pastors, wedding photographers, spas, etc. are already getting sued for not condoning gay marriage in the states in which it is legal; lawsuits against people like ME are what this is about, not anyone's right to live together. Marriage is a word that describes something men and women do; co-habiting gays can come up with their own term for what they do.

See? Three groups of NON-offending people's rights (gun owners, unborn children, Bible thumpers) are assaulted by liberal legislation. The earmark of a liberal law is that it finds somebody who is innocently living his life and takes something away from him. For that is the final marker of liberalism; we serve the government rather than it serving us. No offense to Teddy, but if he could have snapped his fingers and turned America into whatever he wanted, I wonder what that would have been.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Good comment Bella. We should all start upholding ALL the provisions of the Constitution and get the Feds out of the business that is none of their business per the Constitution!

I vehemently disagree with abortion. But as long as someone else has their choices to make, what right except using persuasion do I have in their decision?

best regards

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from ranger2 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Looks like I missed all the fun.
Bella, your strange- minded rhetoric never ceases to amaze me... though I do not always disagree with every word you say, I agree with very little... I appreciate that you actively teach people about the benefits of firearms, but your hatred or fear of Christianity is mostly borne of your own poor understanding of it, and your marination in the humanist egocentric culture back there. After all, it is not the principles on which we agree that make democracy work; it is the reckoning of the principles upon which we disagree.

Yohan- why are you complaining about the exercise of freedom of speech by the editors? If this offends you so, why don't you pack up and move to China, or North Korea? If that is really your opinion, you would be scarcely missed anyhow. At minimum, please blog elsewhere.

WAMtnhunter- Thanks for the contributions, they were accurate and well received. Along with the thoughts of many others.

As for me, I won't miss Ted. I never liked him while alive, and am certain he did way more harm than good to this country. I found it quite ironic that they gave him a military salute with (gasp!!!) rifles at his funeral. Was the family trying to wake him from the grasp of death? If it were possible, he would have turned over in his coffin at the sound of the report.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

About Bella-
It seems that everyone is trying very hard to respect Bella's liberal mind set, because she is pro-Second Amendment. She claims to support all the Constitution and Bill of Rights equally, but I have read too much in her ultra liberal posts to believe this. In my opinion she is much more in line with Teddy K. than most of us posting here, who recognized him as a danger to our sport, our liberty, and the freedoms we enjoy in our country.
First, on this matter of tolerance of gay people. Read her post carefully, and you will find that she does not want gays to be tolerated, she wants gays to have more rights than others. Anyone who disagrees, is a homophobe. Now, phobia, to me, means that you are in fear of something. I don't fear gay people, I just have no use for their lifestyle, and no need to have it crammed down my throat. Exactly the same way I feel about chronic womanizers, such as the late, unlamented Teddy Kennedy. I have no respect for a man who is constantly making disrespectful remarks and lusting after every woman in sight, nor do I want anyone, government least of all, trying to thrust a gay agenda upon me.
Second, if one is to be tolerant, one should be tolerant of all. Bella openly despises Christians, Mormons, conservatives (Bushies), and other principals set down by the Founding Fathers. Where is her tolerance for Gov. Sara Palin, (who I highly respect), and Sen. Mitt Romney, (who I do not agree with)? She can come out in support of a liberal, obummer administration, but be positively vitriolic against George W. Bush, calling him a liar, neocon, etc? Where is all the tolerance?
Third, on this matter of abortion. Abortion, for convenience, is nothing short of murder. Disguising it wrapped in a woman's right to have control over her own body, does nothing to negate this fact. The woman should have had control over her own body when she was doing what resulted in the inconvenient child. Cases of rape, incest, and danger to a mother's life are different, and should be looked at differently. Bella's statement in one of her post's that "A fetus is not a human being and has no rights. Period.*" is straight out of some totalitarian** regime that believes in population control through murder.
I could go on and on, but will only add this little anecdote from childhood. A friend of my grandfather had a large barn, used for hay and implement storage. One day, when we were visiting, I saw a very large rattlesnake crawling into the entryway, and ran to fetch my grandfather and his friend, who were out in the lot.
"Let him alone, son, he kills rats." my grandfather's friend admonished. "Just always remember, the snake lives in the barn, and you can't change a snake's nature."
So, I will let Bella alone, to live in her world, because she respects the Second Amendment, but I will always remember, that you can't change a snake's nature, and Bella's nature is to be a liberal, or totalitarian**.
*Posted on 08/09/09 at 08:45
** 1. of or pertaining to a centralized government that does not tolerate parties of differing opinion and that exercises dictatorial control over many aspects of life.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Too bad he and Mary Jo didn't perish together like Romeo and Juliet that dark Chappaquiddick night in 1969

The Kennedy clan has had more than their fair share of tragedy. Ever hear about the concept of "sins of the father"? Old Joe was so crooked that they used a corkscrew auger to dig his grave. What goes around, comes around. Teddy just hung around too long for me...

Whatever shall we do? Michael Jackson AND Teddy Kennedy are gone, both in the same year! Oh, woe is us.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

vtbluegrass

Better check your ponds, too, since you are within driving distance from Hyannisport! LOL

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from bluecollarkid wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Do you really have to be mentally disturbed to commit an assassination? I can think of many logical reasons why one would want to assassinate a political leader. As for blaming the Kennedies for their deaths; well, hindsight is 20/20 isn't it.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Good riddance!

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from mikeburgess wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I would never wish death upon anyone, but you have to admitt America sure is a better place without him in office.

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from oldpolack wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Hi Dave,

Now I know why JFK and RFK were killed. Also, great eulogy for the US Senator. I am surprised that F&S supports this stuf.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I remember when I was in college my friend was a flight attendent. She said old Teddy was drunk and hitting on her during a flight. That was in the 80's.

I've never met him personally but I think he's like that drunk uncle you hide the kids from.

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from focusfront wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Hey, you kids--

WA Mtnhunter did not exaggerate one thing about TK. I dislike speaking ill of the dead, just because it is wrong to insult a man who can't insult you back. But I'm glad I'm not doing the funeral; it'd be hard work to make him look good.

Massachusetts has a way to go to equal Minnesota. Minnesota elects professional wrestlers and no talent comedians. How much longer will democracy last at this rate?

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from elmer f. wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

the older i get, the better i get at seeing both sides of any given coin. and i can see, in their simplistic minds, how some people can hate guns for a crime where guns were used. but in reality, all the gun did was give distance and conveinince to the equasion. it would have been much more dificult to shoot J. F. K. with a bow and arrow. or to get close enough to drop a hand grenade into the limo, or cut them with a knife across an artery or two. the bottom line is, someone wanted both of the Kennedy's dead. period. they, one way or another, would have accomplished their goal. people kill each other all the time with everything from pillows to hammers, to poison. it probably started when there were 3 people on the face of the earth, and hasn't, nor will it ever end. it is in our, and many other animals basic instincts. a gun, is a tool. nothing more, nothing less. what matters, is how we use them. the thing most (especially anti-gunners) do not get, is to deter crime, you have to make the punishment so bad, than anyone who is sane, will not do it because of the consequenses. if first degree murder, had a penalty of being slowly eaten to death by bugs, no sane person on the planet would ever pick up a gun, hammer, or whatever, to kill another in anger. if rape, required the guilty persons genitals to be bitten by a snake, until they rotted off from their body, no one would ever rape either. but if we continually slap their hands, feed and clothe them, send them to a place where they can learn to be better criminals. the world is only going to get worse.

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Bella, do you mean to say that a post, ostensibly about the second amendment, would be muddied by mentioning, in no particular order; sexual preference, insurance issues, religious preference, same-sex marriage, and general liberal vs. conservative, conservative vs. liberal rhetoric.

I agree with you. Peace.

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from John L wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Didn't agree with anything he stood for in life, can't express any regret he's gone.
Don't wish anyone ill, including some still with us, but I will retain my ability to disagree with them. You may do the same.
Just tired of the media's fawning coverage of the Kennedy "royalty", or other celebrities.
My last comment, what did HE ever do to deserve burial at Arlington?

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

cods⋅wal⋅lop  
–noun British Slang. nonsense; rubbish; i.e., Bella's posts, on any given subject.

Right wing codswallop- Generally the truth, a thing not recognized by Bella the Kool Aid
drinking liberal.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Dear Mr. Petzal . . .

You wrote:

"John Kennedy was killed because the Secret Service, in a city where many people were known to hate him, allowed JFK to ride in an open automobile, and advertised his route in advance."

Respectfully, I disagree with your assertion. The Secret Service didn't shoot JFK. Oswald (and perhaps one or two others) did.

Consider:

But for Oswald (and perhaps others) putting JFK in his (their) sights and pulling a trigger several times, would JFK have been killed? Answer: No.

But for the Secret Service's actions (or lack thereof)before and on that Dallas day, would JFK have been killed? Answer: No, because the Secret Service didn't do the shooting and didn't sanction it.

But for the Secret Service's gross negligence and gross carelessness, would JFK have been assasinated (by Oswald or anyone else)?

Answer: No, not if the President overruled the Secret Service's repeated requests that he not parade around in an open limo and make himself an ultra-inviting and ultra-vulnerable target.

Was the Secret Service even therefore a contributing factor in JFK's death? Maybe not.

You also wrote:

"Bobby Kennedy was killed because, rather than employ professional bodyguards in Los Angeles, he used a former football player named Rosey Grier, plus a few others who were equally well qualified. Grier was an all-pro lineman, but he was not much of a bodyguard."

Consider the following questions:

But for Sirhan Sirhan aiming a weapon at RFK and pulling its trigger just after midnight in June of '68, would RFK be dead?

Answer: No. Sirhan Sirhan is the direct proximate cause
of RFK's death.

But for Rosey Grier's actions (or lack thereof)before or on on that fateful evening, would RFK have been killed?

Answer: Unknown.

While I agree with you that it was foolishness for RFK to use a former NFL player as a bodyguard, Grier didn't kill RFK. Even if RFK had been guarded by a large Secret Service team or an experienced private security detail, it is unknown if this would have been effective in preventing Sirhan Sirhan from getting within range of his target, taking aim, and pulling the trigger. As such, I can't blame Grier for RFK's death, and I don't believe anyone else should either.

Note here that I do not blame any weapon (or its manufacturer) for the death of either RFK or JFK. Weapons didn't do the killing. The people who pulled their triggers did. And no gun ban would stop an Oswald (and perhaps one or two others) or a Sirhan Sirhan from getting weapons and doing what they did with them (so I agree with you that gun bans only hurt the innocent and keep the innocent from having an ability to defend themselves against bad guys--who already have guns, and who don't give a damn about any bans).

TWD

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Bella:

Keep writing posts. I don't always agree with every position you take (though I agree with most of them), but I certainly admire the brightness and courage of your liberal flame in the very conservative camp that dominates this blog. Both sides have room here. Neither side should take meanhearted jabs at the other.

Keep your torch shining bright.

TWD

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

OH CRAP!!
THE TROLLS ARE OUT FROM UNDER THE BRIDGE AGAIN!!

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Bella,
I do applaud you for teaching people how to safely use firearms and to defend themselves regardless of their personal preferences. Regarding your first post: Jeez, girl, don't sugarcoat it; tell us how you really feel about Romney. It may very well be the same way I feel about Pelosi, Shumer, Frank, Reid, Biden, Holder, Emanual, etc. etc.....

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Folks:

Given all the heat and flames and fire in some of the above postings, perhaps it is time for a story to make everyone (of every political ideology) laugh and relax and chill out. We all sit around the same campfire. Read the story, which I wrote last night. And enjoy.

She Had To Get Her Fix
By T.W. Davidson

This morning, on my way to the office, I stopped by a fast food joint known the world over for its twin yellow arches. Perhaps I have some recessive blue-collar low-brow genes residing somewhere in my system, but I firmly believe that the yellow arches people brew and serve coffee that smells better, tastes better, and costs less than any coffee (by any name, and there are many) served by, say, the largest coffeehouse chain in the world, which originated in Seattle around 1971.

The drive-thru at this particular yellow arches facility starts out as one lane that splits into two. The respective lanes go to and past separate menu boards, each equipped with a speaker and microphone. The idea is that two lines of drivers can place their orders simultaneously, thus (theoretically, anyway) reducing their waiting time and making the yellow arches people more money.

This morning, however, the drive-thru line seemed unusually long and slow. Drivers were using the drive-thru on the left side of the split, but not the one on the right. When I finally acquired a visual of the other drive-thru, I could see why: a brown boulder about 2' tall, about 3' wide, and about 3' thick from front to back, was planted directly in the middle of the lane. I estimated it weighed somewhere around 1500-1800 lbs, maybe even a ton. The boulder was about 15'-20' from where drivers would have placed their orders at the RH drive-thru menu board, had they been able to get to it. Though the boulder didn’t have a sign on it, and had no writing on it either–it was just a big ugly brown rock sitting in the middle of the lane–it was clear to me that the boulder–and the yellow arches people–were sending several messages:

1. The RH drive-thru menu board was inoperative, defunct, not working.

2. The yellow arches people (reasonably) believe that a sizable percentage of the people who come to their fine facility to buy what the yellow arches people euphemistically describe as “food,” can’t read.

3. The yellow arches people, believing that signs saying “Inoperative. Do Not Use This Lane” would not or could not be read, put the boulder in the inoperative drive-thru lane to deter and prevent patrons for using it.

4. In effect, then, the yellow arches people believed the boulder itself was a sign that even the stupidest retard would-be patron would comprehend, namely: MESSAGE TO MORONS--USE THE LEFT-HAND DRIVE-THRU. THAT, MORONS, IS WHY THERE’S A BIG F*CK*NG ROCK IN THE RH LANE. PLEASE BE SMARTER THAN THE F*CK*NG ROCK.

I proceeded into the left-hand drive-thru lane. Just as I about to place my standard order for a “coffee, medium, two creams,” however, a strange and bizarre movement on the far periphery of my right-side field of vision caught my eye and interrupted my train of thought.

I turned my head and looked. A shiny, bright, new or nearly new flashy red Camaro came into the RH drive-thru lane at excessive speed. The Camaro slammed on the brakes and slowed almost to a complete stop about 5'-6' from the boulder.

Then the Camaro eased up to the boulder and, using its plastic front bumper, and despite deafening frame-bending screeches of agony from the front end of the car, began attempting to bulldoze the boulder down the RH drive-thru lane.

I’ve seen a lot of strange sh*t in my life. I’ve seen even the sanest of people go completely off the deep end at times. But I’ve got to admit the New- Camaro-Bulldozing-The-Big-Boulder scene places way up near the top in my personal Most Bizarre Scenes collection of memories.

The people inside the yellow arches building must have had closed circuit TV cameras (CCTV) in the drive-thru lanes, because the person who had been taking my order in my drive-thru lane abruptly fell silent (presumably in shocked wonder) as the Camaro-as-Bulldozer scene unfolded. Ever helpful, I decided to act as an impromptu sports commentator and narrate the scene for posterity’s sake.

I said to the microphone on the menu board, and hopefully also to the CCTV cameras:

"Ladies and Gentleman, here we are at UFC #337 and
by golly, today we’ve brought you a genuine Clash
of Titans!!! Big Brown Rock vs. Brand New Camaro,
who will win this mighty battle???

The bell has rung and the first round is underway.
Mortal enemies have locked with each other in
combat!!!

The Camaro is having a hard time with the boulder.
Look at the way the rear wheels are spinning out.
The muscle car is attempting to push a rock that weighs nearly as much as the car does! Look at that
front end bend and crumple!!! Listen to that big V-8
scream!!!! My god, what a battle!!!!

But wait, hold on . . . folks, the Camaro is gaining
ground!!! The Camaro is actually moving
the rock!!! Like a 3000 lb. sumo
wrestler, the Camaro has pushed the boulder past
the menu board in the RH drive-thru lane!!! What
will happen next?"

At this point my enthusastic narrative–I was envisioning this whole scene being reproduced for millions on U-Tube–was sadly interrupted. The Camaro put itself in rear gear and, with a screech of torn metal, crushed headlights and crippled radiator fan, backed away from the boulder about 8' and stopped. The car seemed to pant and shudder in exhaustion. It bled radiator fluid and hot engine oil all over the pavement. The big brown boulder, though moved from its original position, appeared unscathed. Indifferent.

The driver’s window of the Camaro came down. A very pretty blonde woman in her late 30s or early 40s was behind the wheel. The woman stuck her head out the window and shouted at the (defunct) menu board in her lane: "Hey, you’all in there. There’s a big rock out here. It just attacked my car and injured it really badly. I want you to come out here right now and move this rock and repair my car. Now, dammit, before I sue your as*es. And bring me some coffee while you're at it!"

I turned to the microphone at my menu board and said, “Only someone who is high, intoxicated, or too stupid to drive could have done what that lady in the Camaro just did. Call Tyler P.D. and get someone out here before the lady decides to run someone over rather than merely push a giant rock around with her new Camaro.” A new voice, a male voice (presumably the yellow arches manager), answered. He said, “We’re on it. We just dialed 911. That was the strangest thing I’ve ever seen in my whole life.”

I rolled down my passenger side window and said (not unkindly) to the Camaro lady, “Ma’am, your car is trashed. Please, you should just shut off the engine. Help is on the way.”

Then the trouble-making devil that lives within me made me add, “By the way, it looks like the boulder kicked the sh*t out of your car. My score is Boulder, 1, Camaro, O. Boulder takes the title.”

Something in the blonde woman’s head snapped. Her entire being instantly radiated volcanic white-hot rage. She stomped her foot and pointed at me and screamed, “You’re an as*h*le! Crawl into a hole somewhere and just die!”

I reflected on her summary of my total qualities and achievements in life. I noted, with sadness and regret, that I had heard a number of other beautiful women (one of whom I truly loved) scream similar epithets at me in recent years gone by. The one I truly loved had even nastily said to me, with an evil smile, “You just bring out that quality in people, Thad. It’s your charming personality. As*h*le.”

I looked at the Camaro lady and said, mildly, “Ma’am, I concede to you that I HAVE an as*h*le, but I will never agree with you that I AM an as*h*le.” I felt the internal devil rise in me again. I tried as hard as I could but just could not stop myself from saying, “By the way, what do you think the repair bill will be on the boulder? Would you like me to call a tow truck for your Camaro, ma’am?”

The lady threw back her head. Her blonde tresses quivered and shook as she screamed incoherently at the top of her lungs at me in molten lava rage. I thought, So this is the Voice of Tongues.

I wondered if the Camaro lady had a concealed weapon in the wreckage of her car. She seemed hot enough to use it, and I had a real bad feeling about who her first target would be. I said to the lady, “911 has been called. The Tyler Police Department is on the way. Everything you do and say is being recorded on CCTV. Please calm down before the cops get here, or things will only get worse for you.”

The Camaro lady looked at me with laser eyes of rage, venom and hate. (Again, an occurrence I’ve experienced with other beautiful women in recent years.) I’m glad she didn’t have a gun, or a knife, or a cattle prod in her hands. She screamed again, “You’re an as*hole!!!” Then she jumped in her car, slammed it into gear, rev'ved the engine, dropped the clutch, and burned rubber out the driv-thru lane . . . scraping the entire left side of her Camaro against the boulder on her way out.

So, folks . . . should I have been more compassionate? Should I have attempted to be a Kind and Gentle and Tender Caring Person? Is it somehow MY fault that this woman used her brand new Camaro as a bulldozer to attack, bruise and displace an innocent boulder that was merely minding its own business? And, finally, could ANY of you kept your mouths shut in the same circumstances?

Thoughts and comments, should they come my way, will be appreciated as always. I hope the story everyone laugh and feel better. Peace to all.
TWD, 1 Sept. 09

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

All Ted, all the time. Sad there was little mention of the passing of Robert Novak, not one word on Dominic Dunn. At least the demoncrats are trying to attach health care to the Sainted Teddy, and not some wild assed
gun control scheme. After all, what is another trillion, or so?

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from Hunt_Hard wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter is completely right! Couldn't have said it better myself!
Here ya' go, Teddy. This one's for you ,,l,,

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

At least Michael Jackson didn't try to shove crappy legislation down our throats.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

John and Robert Kennedy were both philanderers that embarrassed their families, and truth be known, had ol' Marilyn Monroe O.D.'d to shut her trap. Remember Teddy's nephew that was involved in the Florida rape a few years ago?

Fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. They are all a bunch of elitist scumbags. their kind would have been first in line for the guillotine during the French Revolution.

The only good thing I can say about a Kennedy is good riddance.

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from jersey pig wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

look on the positive side, mary jo kopechne's family can now have closure. and as long as the senator likes the smell of brimstone and sulfer he should be relatively happy as he will be sourounded by people of his same caliber and ethics. although i would want to bear witness to him explaining away some of these things to st. peter at the pearly gates before he gets to his final reward. good bye teddy and best of luck, watch out for pitch forks.

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from petehubbard wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Ya...cant say as im too sad about Sen. Kennedys death. I feel sorry for his family and wish them the best. But Kennedy didnt do much for the average grassroots American.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Any of yall see anything on the news about a recently deceased congressional medal of honor winner helicopter pilot who flew (and saved dozens of lives)during Viet Nam? Of course not. He was military, a true hero who saved lives during a war all of today's politicians would like to pretend never happened. How many lives did Michael Jackson save? or Teddy Kennedy? or Obama?
I can't seem to remember them serving in the military.
Come to think of it, neither has Eric Holder. Maybe that's why he is so determined to harm our intelligence gathering ability and weaken our country. By the way, some of Obama's czars (a former Teutonic dictator referred to his as "ministers")have had felony charges levied against them in the past. The FBI is supposed to investigate and vette all Presidental appointees, but a recent Obama "executive order" prohibits the FBI from investigating any of his "Czar" appointees. A little scary isn't it? Investigating the CIA and prosecuting Bush people is no 7 on Eric Holder's list. Gun control is no 16. We have a ways to go before anti gun legislation gets underway, but Holder will be in charge of it and apparently will do whatever he wants despite what his boss(?) Obama says.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

WOW! I can think of nothing to add for a Change.

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from John L wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Wow,
Three "Amens" in a row.
Now let's see if we can't get some of them other sum's'a'bitches out of Washington. (by vote of course, we can't wait for old age).
They ain't 'representin' you/us.
John L

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Listen boys, this entire family was screwed-up with the exception of Joe Jr., they say he was a man of integrity and class..must be why God called him back early? Anyway, I feel this guy was a waste, not because he made a mistake in contributing to the death of an innocent girl(WHICH IS BAD ENOUGH), but because he NEVER LIVED UP TO IT, never learned from his mistake, and stayed quite arrogant thru his entire life.
No I did not "know him", and frankly I'm glad I didn't!
RON DAK-
It is part anger when I think of this man; he had a part of history in making LAWS that he preferred to break most of his life.
He may not be the FIRST hypocrite to serve in our Government, but he is one of the longest serving ones that should have been out of off office years ago as far as I'm concerned.

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from Gunslinger wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Can rest assured, as long as any Kennedy Blood flowing, there will be a Kennedy in DC. So many accidens in that family, I wonder if they were "Accidents"As for old Man Joe, making his money with MOONSHINE, come down to my place and I can show you this day many STills yet operating and our young people buy daily. Give it to the old man, he knew how to make MONEY. Sorry for the family, they have been thru enough, more than their share. But Cancer has no bounds, it will strike any of us any day. I had my bout in l989, lost My Dad, SIster, Uncle in past 20 yrs to the deadly disease. Let's hope Ted's replacement will be a guy who can get things straight in DC and the USA.We are hanging on by a wing and a prayer. Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from kenthebusdriver wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I am honestly not sure if I should make any comment at all in this blog, but, full speed ahead as usual. I am an old guy, Viet Nam veteran, NRA member, social conservative, and a gun owner. Altho I only have 4 firearms, and a total of 200 or so rounds, to my all younger, ultra-liberal siblings and a few other family members, I am the family gun nut. I am very bothered by the hatred and invective directed toward Sen. Ted Kennedy. Ok, I said it, and I also defend the right to express all opinions, including yours (generic). He may have been the most anti-2nd Amendment liberal ever elected to the US Senate. His legacy extends way beyond whether he would take our guns away, Civil Rights Act, ADA, CHiP, real and significant human legislation. If I had had to experience the death of two brothers by gunshot wound, I would have an attitude also. He is buried at Arlington National Cemetery as a former member of the Armed Forces, elected to a Federal Office. I have already heard flack about his grandchildrens tributes, canned, rehearsed blah, blah, blah. I do also know all of his history of human failure, cheating in school, the tragic death of Mary Jo Kopechne. What is my point? Not sure if I know. Respect for the dead, respect for a fellow American.

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Nothing more about Ted but about Bella. Bella always takes a stance for the 2nd amendment. She obviously has very liberal leanings but loves to shoot and own firearms. A very odd combination at least in my life experience. I've always found that people who are liberal in the though process tend to be very frighten of virtually everything. Just a few years ago I stopped to help two men who were broken down with a flat tire. They had a Dukakis sticker on the rear bumper and a Mass. license plate. They had no clue how to even assemble the jack to start the process. I ask if I could help and practically got a tearful response. One of them got into the car and the other stood with his hand on the driver side door. I changed the tire in silence and stored the jack and closed the trunk. The driver had slipped into the seat and the car was started and they drove away. No conversation, no parting wave, no thank you, only fear. This is what I see from all the liberal crowd here-fear. I don't see fear in Bella at all, I only see strong conviction. I rarely agree with her but am constantly reminded when I read her thoughts that many people see things absolutely differently than I do. Paying attention to others and tying to see the other side is never the wrong approach. We learn when we listen. Listening may reinforce what we already believe or it may tear a tiny hole in the bag we surround our selves with.

Keep them coming Bella!

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from Bella wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Thank you all for your kind thoughts. Hope you guys like new new picture, ain't my Pietta 1858 Remmie replica pretty?
Yuh know guys, I really do think we need that Bull Moose Party Back...

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from Zermoid wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

T.W. Davidson

Since we don't know who and for certain IF there were other shooters we will never truly know if the Secret Service was directly involved with J.F.K.'s death or not.
The facts that Oswald was so quickly killed and the vehement government denial of both the possibility of a second shooter or it's involvement in the assassination makes me doubt that Oswald was alone even more.

As to Ted getting buried at Arlington, I bet there was alot of noise as they lowered him.
Thousands of vets turning over in their graves has to make alot of noise......

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from Ruckweiler wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Of course, Mary Jo died because Teddy was driving, right? I must have missed his condemnation of GM for making the car.

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from Carney wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

crm3006 = Good for you! I got tired of doing the responding last year during the elections and so my last post was a challenge for liberals to step up and lay out what their world view is based on and why it should be adopted in these days. We know that it cannot stand up to philosophical nor historical scrutiny, so I'm not surprised that the challenge went unheeded. Nevertheless, kudos to you for your excellent post.

As for wishing that Ted had been closer to the hunting community -- Walt Harrington's book, "The Everlasting Stream" is an excellent treatment of the hypocritical and elitist DC mindset on all things that hunters appreciate and consider noble! It's definitely worth its price!

As for me, I'm having a great day just clinging to guns and religion!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

“Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA -- ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.”
-Heinrich Himmler

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Clay Cooper-
Is it about time to re-post your treatise on the origins of Liberals and Conservatives again?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic
hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the
summer and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of
beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer.
These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals; and
2. Conservatives

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the
beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can
were invented yet, so while our early humans were sitting around
waiting for them to be invented, they just stayed close to the
brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at
night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what
is known as the Conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live
off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing
the sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women.
The rest became known as girlie-men.

Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of
cats, the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of
Democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest,
most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are
symbolized by the jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but most prefer
white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like
their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard
liberal fare.

Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have
higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers,
personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group
therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still
provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo
cowboys, Polymer Science PhDs, lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, Physicists, police officers, corporate executives,
athletes, Marines, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers
and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans
are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals
remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They
crept in after the Wild West was tamed and created a business of
trying to get more for nothing.

Here ends today's lesson in world history: It should be noted that a
Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily respond to the above
before forwarding it. A Conservative will simply laugh and be so
convinced of the absolute truth of this history that it will be
forwarded immediately to other true believers and to more liberals
just to piss them off.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I find it interesting when a Democrat dies during a heated moment during a Senate race especially now trying to pass this death sentence bill for the elderly, the want us Conservatives to give them a free pass to do whatever they want and how they want.

Does anyone recall any wink or nod from the Democrats to give us anything we want unfettered to pass any Pro 2nd Amendment legislation when Regan passed away for us to pass?

NOT!

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from John L wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike,
If you're going to start apologizing for your insults, go back and read your own posts. You've got a lot more than just one to do.
"My knowledge of the facts, (from your point of view)
my dedication to decorum, (?????????)
my overall good looks, (don't know, can't argue)
and my basic moral superiority. (again, ???????)
At least you don't hear me taking cheap shots at the dead. (nope, just at the living)"

So, Teddy lets someone drown, but is nice to some kids?
Call it even?
Tries to do nice things, regardless of the real consequences that result?
Even?
Any merit in Kennedy's accomplishments?
Best thing he ever managed to do was to be born into that family (and it's money), without that he'd have spent his career in jail, not in the Senate.
I suspect that the majority of the people you lumped into a group and hurled insults at here have lived much better (law abiding if not elected)lives, and expected much less credit for it than ol' Teddy ever wanted to be honored for.
American Royalty indeed!
No, I didn't "loathe" him, I don't loathe anybody, but he didn't fool me either.
That being said, I suspect also that another thing that causes some of the responses here ( I know it does for me) is the media's fawning ass-kissin' drumbeat.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Dear Mr. President, Senate and House of Representatives:

I'm planning to move my family and extended family (18-20 mouths) into Mexico
for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.

We're planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico ,
and we'll need your help to make a few arrangements.

We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas
and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here.

So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I'm on my way
over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need,
whether I use them or not.
3. All Mexico government forms need to also be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual)
teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their
school.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to
government services.

9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico, but, I don't plan to purchase
car insurance, and I probably won't make any special effort to learn local
traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from
their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has
at least one English-speaking officer.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put U S. flag decals on my
car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th.

I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have
any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.

13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely
nice and never say a critical things about me or my family, or about the
strain we might place on their economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for
all his people who come to the U.S. from Mexico .. I am sure that President
Calderon won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

Sincerely, US Citizen & Taxpayer

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Ya”Ol Ted did bring home the bacon for Massachusetts again and again, steeling it from those who busted there ass for it and gave to the freeloaders of Massachusetts!

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

The score is now:

Rock 1
Camaro 0
Ted Kennedy 0
Liberals 0
McDonald's coffee 1
Starbucks coffee 0
availabilty of small pistol primers 0
Mormons 0
Evangelical Christians 0
Yehsua 1
2nd amendment 1

if I left out someone or something it is purely out of
carelessness.....
DEP, how do you sleep at night knowing the forum can run off the rails and get so utterly f***ed up sometimes?
Otherwise, its very entertaining.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Bella

If your statement is true, then I have added enough bricks for them to build the 4th Pyramid of Giza.

LOL

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from Bob81 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

While it was foolish for Ted Kennedy to argue that his brothers assassinations were the result of gun-rights, I think it is equally foolish to blame each of them for thier own assassinations.

The blame for each incident lies squarely in the lap of the nut-case that pulled the trigger. Blame the perpretrator, not the victim.

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from vtbluegrass wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

"I swear officer I don't know a thing about the half empty fifth of bourbon or the panties in my glovebox."

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from jonah wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Boy am I glad that you all won't be writing my obituary. Did Ted Kennedy do some horrible things? Sure he did. We're probably all guilty of some sin or another. Did he also do some decent things? Yes, he did.

Even if he was against the 2nd amendment, I still have all the guns I need and probably most of you do, too. He'll probably be replaced by another liberal. That's up to the people of Massachusetts. I'm glad they don't vote for my representatives and I'm sure they feel the same way about me.

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from wvboy1022 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

F&S speakin ill of the dead???

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from peter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

your exactly right. just cause hes dead it doesnt mean that we have to forgive his agnorance

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

WA Mtn,

We have not seen the last of the Kennedy clan. This will be the opportunity for one of them to assume old Uncle Teddy's much soiled seat in the Senate. I'm betting Ms. Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg will be establishing an address in good old Mass-A-Chew-Sets post haste. No... we have not seen then last of that bunch yet...

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Somehow this scumbag clan are media darlings, not much unlike our president. Karma is a bicth though.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

P.S.

Ted kennedy was a foul scumbag from the word go. He would be just as big a scumbag if he were a conservative Republican. The whole clan are elitist scumbags who think they know what is really best for the rest of us whom they look down upon.

Not all liberal politicians are low-life POS's like Kennedy. My Congressman is a liberal democrat (grrrr), but he is a hard working family man who tries t orepresent his district. I don't agree with most of his politics, but he's no scumbag. Our Democrat Senator Patty Murray is as liberal as it gets, but she is a decent human being and while I don't agree often, she has my personal respect.

Not so with the Kennedy's. All three brothers have shown what two-faced scumbags they really were, one way or another. Poor Caroline, she is totally clueless.

God have mercy on their souls. They all have some 'splainin' to do....

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from firedog11 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I have often wondered at the acceptance of hypocrisy by the American people and voters. Ted is an Icon though he was a drunk and a killer. Sanford should resign because he cheated. But who does the the media lionize and who is chased through the streets.
Secret investigative /intelligence units to be run out of the White House (is Nixon being channeled? by Obama).
Legal rights for anyone who attackes an kills Americans in the name of Allah courtesy of the American Supreme Court. (Wonder what ol' Blood & Guts would have thout of that?)
Constant calls for Americans to give up their First and Second amendment rights so that Obama supporters and the Brady clowns can feel safe.
Democrats paying their own operatives to break windows of their headquarters in Co. and break heads of opponents in St. Louis and N.H. (Someone is channeling Ol' Adolph?)
The country is 100 trillion dollars in debt and Obama wants to add more. (medicare,medicade & SS)
Folks we need a third party who will nuture and protect the Constitution which is so shredded by both parties to the point we may not be able to tape it together.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

John L

One word.....Amen

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

John L-
Well summed up. I add my "Amen."
crm

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from CONGOKURT wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I for one am glad to see Old Scrotum Face leave this planet. A liar, a drunk, a murderer, a coward, a wonderful role model for his nephews and, uhh how shall I put this ? An all around piece of human garbage that has hurt this country and individuals in numerous, horrendous ways. Let's see, what can I say that is good about him ? He's dead. Shake hands with the devil Teddy-Boy. Amen.

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from Carney wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I am with Moishe -- can't think of anything to say... BUT -- I can't believe no one has said it on the post yet, so here it goes = "Ted Kennedy's Car Has Killed More People Than My Gun!" (I repent in dust and ashes for being so hokey...)

I am in complete agreement with all that has been said about this man's character and politics -- never have known of a human being who was more on the wrong side of any issue than he was.

OK. Alright. So I've got one more thng to say: You may think that Ted Kennedy's life was a success but if his death was a failure, (and all of the Good Book indicators are that it was indeed a failure) how can you consider his life a success?

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from nc30-06 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Beekeeper, I have to disagree with you about Caroline. She blew her shot when she dined with Al Sharpton and hogged down the grub like a starved refugee. She also made comments that showed how vacant her intellect actually is. The most revolting thing is that the stupid "Camelot" crap will go on. The Kennedys as America's "royalty"? Don't make me puke more. And, the point about his deserving to be in a place of honor with REAL heros, is disgusting. He was and never will be a hero.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

WAMthunter I am always outnumbered, so I usually prefer flanking maneuvers...Anyway I go by the Galaxy Quest Motto "Never Give Up, Never Surrender!". Anyway most of my detractors convict themselves with their own uncouth rantings so I hardly need comment.
My point is I am still here, and I do stuff, bringing new folks into the shooting traditions and trying to win hearts and minds. Even if I agreed with the theocratic agenda espoused by so many of the types who seem to think Jesus had a blessed AR-15, I wouldn't win anybody over for the 2nd amendment here by spouting such an agenda. Besides I think queer people NEED guns, to protect themselves from violent homophobic types who think God is whispering in their ear to murder teh gayz. Gay people often can't count on the help of LEO's to protect themselves anyway, so I make it my special mission to train other women and gay men about firearms. I have seen the poop hit the air impeller too many times to count and the only things that get people through adverse events is training and a little foresight. So, if it is Really about the 2nd amendment, you need us women and metrosexuals and all, or you will loose it. If it is really about some conservative theocratic agenda I don't want any part of it. I got awaay already from a situation where a cult was imposed on me, and I have no interest in any situation where some self rightious bozo inflicts his lame idea of religion on my life. All that "prolife" and homophobic stuff is only about one version of a particular religion, that is Evangelical Christianity and while folks are welcome to worship as they see fit, that doesn't mean Evangelical Christianity should be imposed on everybody any more than Catholocism or Wahabi Islam should be. I am for every one of the Amendments to the Bill of Rights, the 2nd no less than the others, but Religion shouldn't come into it, people should stop confusing religion with partizan politics, they are apples and oranges and always have been.

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from nc30-06 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Does anyone know if they are ever going to bury the esteemed "senator"? How long is this travesty going to last?

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from Carney wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Ok then, since there's room for both, let's go there -- who wants to illucidate us bloggers on just exactly what "liberalism" is; its historical basis; its present forms?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read

Ever try to talk facts to a liberal when the subject is global warming? Never mind that the best conservative authorities have shown that their data is all fudged from the same broken thermometer stuck in some prof's window at Berkeley; if you show them the real data which shows that we're actually going into an ice age, they just change terminology and start babbling about "climate change"! As if a global ice age presented some kind of "problem" we needed to spend vast amounts of our tax dollars to "solve", when all it really means is lower cooling bills in the summer and easier storage for deer meat after a good hunt. When arguing with a liberal, there's just no point in bringing up these facts because, as the notorious Nazi sympathizer Heidegger liked to say, the time for decisions is over!

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from Kentucky Hunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

i have nothing good to say about him or his party at all
just hope he made his peace with the maker and sorry for his family and thier loss.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

About Liberals

Liberals have demands and unwritten given rights for themselves to be coddled and taken care of from cradle to grave and to believe you do have free choices provided they are the choices they give you, yet the limitation of choices do not apply to them and the result of making wrong choices is someone’s else’s fault and responsibility to pay for their own screw up. They take credit when things go right but it’s always someone else’s fault when it goes wrong.

They are always doing great things and taking credit until they run out of someone else’s money.

They believe in prochoice; too bad their mother wasn’t prochoice

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

And for the Liberal’s, this one’s for you!

THE TRUTH - LIBERAL WOMEN ARE JEALOUS OF SARAH PALIN

Posted by Mike Silverman on Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:34:14 AM

The more I ponder the vitriol and venom that liberal women are spewing like acid at Sarah Palin, the more I have boiled it down to something less complicated than ideology from them. Sarah Palin is what they wish they could be. These liberal ladies want to have the cheers and throngs of full throated support that Sarah has, and they hate the fact that Sarah is an attractive Republican woman. She's strong, confident, Conservative, happy with her life, beautiful and admired by millions. The liberal female pundits, radical feminists and hollywood kooks who have cultivated thier narrow political audiences are bewildered and jealous over this. Sure there's some ideology mixed in, but I think it's used more as a cover for the seething jealousy of her popularity. To these liberal ladies, "they" are supposed to be the pinnacle of popularity. They have prostituted themsleves to the ideology of a fringe viewpoint , and as a result they get "in" to the elite gatherings of social snobbery that represent that radical view of the country. But , do they really believe the lunacy of the liberalism they spew, or are they towing the line so that they can keep that "in" crowd venue with the mopy miserable depressed liberals who wring thier hands at the unfairness of life, financial success, and carbon-dioxide? I think they secretly wish they could "be" Sarah Palin, because Sarah has not had to go "phony" and be something that "others" want her to be in order to "fit in" with the super egos of radical beligerants. She's not one of them. Sarah doesn't care to rub shoulders with the illuminati of liberal inner circles. It doesn't make sense to the liberal mindset. In thier world view there are not supposed to be "normal" people in this country. Or, at least the "normal" people are supposed to be the "fringe" nutcases not the rallying point of the great majority. But the rest of us know why Sarah is popular. Precisely because she represents the core values we cherish most.

Special Credit to
- Mike Silverman, Milford MA

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

More from Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read,

“During the past several years liberalism has come to be defined less by what it stands for than by whom it stands against. `The enemy of George Bush is my friend' might as well be the credo of American liberals at this moment in history. And since George Bush is the leader of our country, it follows that `the enemy of my country is my friend.'”

-James Taranto, in his Best of the Web column on OpinionJournal.com, 2006-Mar-27

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

A bet more from Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read,

“Now, however, the educational system has become the weapon of choice for modern liberals in their project of dismantling American culture.”
-Judge Robert Bork in Slouching Toward Gomorrah

That should crank up some heat, LMAO!

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from semp wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Lots of opinions here ... that's part of America's Greatness! So ... anyone care to opine as to when I can get some 'small pistol primers' ? It's just hard to believe that CCI, Cheddite, Federal, Remmington, Winchester and Wolf(did I miss anybody?)are running max-output and the shelves are still bare ... bare for 6 months? Yo ... 'Grassy Knoll' theorists what evil lurks here?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

U can order them on-line usually. These days, all primers except shotgun primers seem to fetch a high price. Of course, if you get you a nice replica blackpowder revolver you can get shoot that .44 all day for a dime a shot! ;)

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Those Uberti replicas are darned fine handguns. I've got an 1858 Remington/Uberti New Army that groups quite well.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Diehl

Ted Kennedy was a piece of $hit and you know it. I spoke ill of that drunken SOB every time his name came up or I saw his scrotum face on TV. Being dead will never change it, either. I don't need to condemn him to anywhere or anything. He did a good job on his own. Examine the facts with your PhD liberal head out of the liberal cesspool of lies and fantasies. When you are a pubic figure for most of your adult life, expect to draw fire.

As for your assault on folks who had negative things to say, what makes you so morally superior? For the record, I'll phucking say what I pheel like saying regardless of yours or anyone elses whining.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I think R.I.P. would be a fitting end to this thread....

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from semp wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

This is corn ... I'm off to listen to a real nut--->Glen Beck :-D .

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Hey Mike,

Did you get to go dove or other bird hunting on a Sept 1st opener where you live? Not much dove hunting around here, but am gonna hit early canada goose next week. Dog is reaaaaadddyyy to rumble!

WMH

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I find it interesting those who voted for Kennedy wanted something for nothing. Saying that, Kennedy’s death is one less hand in my back pocket!

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Bella tell me something, what is it really like being a Freedom Freeloader?

As you said, he brought the bacon home or better put bringing the pork home.

The truth of the matter is, Kennedy stole the money by administratively raping the nation for his own personal gain!

In other words, it’s like stealing someone else’s credit card and allowing friends to use it so what’s the difference

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Sad that he died, but hopefully they get a better person in there this time. Maybe a conservative for hunting and fishing, and the second amendment.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter
I realize that he was the most liberal idiots in this world. However, I just am wishing that they could get a descent person in there, and realize it is a joke to even think it could happen. I have never voted for a liberal, and never will. I know all about all the crooked dealings going on with the current liberal kindom now in rule, and hope that people will learn their lessons when the next elections are here. I agree with you with politics as I am conservative, but I still don't wish death on anyone, even one of the worst senators to ever have been born.

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from eackerlund wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter said it perfectly. ,,l,, Ted Kennedy.

Would to God he had passed sooner....like when he drunk-drove his car off that bridge and killed Mary Jo Kopecney.

And yes, it is unfortunate that Taxachusetts will never in the forseeable future vote a good person into office.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

its about time good riddance

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from ricefarm wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I get amused and sometimes irritated at the way some people try to re-write someone's history because they died. Ted Kennedy was a scumbag when he was alive and that hasn't changed because he died.
Robert Novak, famed political commentator who recently passed told a local reporter here once that when it came to womanizing Bill Clinton was a novice compared to JFK. JFK's presidency was well on it's way to being a one term disaster when he was assasinated, yet today he is treated like he should be on Mount Rushmore. There are more than a few conspiracy theorists that believe that the CIA and Secret Service let him be assasinated to save the country from certain disaster.

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from JCB wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Lets also remember that he was also an all around bastard. May God forgive him. I can not.

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Dave, your common sense offends my revisionist historical outlook.

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Thats some good imformation!WA Mthunter!!people need to look at all the facts.Teddy is no angel.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

John L

I was wondering the same thing? WTF is he doing being buried at Arlington among our heroes? I understand Jack (U.S. Navy WWII), but why Bobby and Teddy. Not exactly military heroes, but I guess Ted qualifies since he WAS a PRIVATE in the Army....

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from John L wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Go to youtube.com and search for Arlington, watch and listen to the video by Trace Adkins.
Then wonder along with me why Ted Kennedy gets to lie along with true American heroes there.
Makes me want to puke!

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Maybe they'll bury him on top of Maryln Monroe's casket, that way all the Kennedy boys will have had a turn riding her bones! Ted is no different than OJ- a murderer who got away with it. Any bets on a republican elected to his seat?? That would be ooohhh sooo funny!

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from John L wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

RonDak,
No, not hate, just disgust. For hyprocisy. Webster's defines as "a pretense of virtue"
Should have Teddy's picture there. He was the phoniest thing around. And those who want to make him a saint, can kiss my butt.

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from CONGOKURT wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Moishe, if that was geared towards me, I thank you my friend. CongoKurt

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from Tim Platt wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

So are there any more refugees from the Hyannisport Compound we need to know about? Ding Dong the witch is dead... Old Joe is probably wondering why this one had to be the one to survive so long.

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from JHawes wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I wonder who is more gun shy. The Kennedy's or my bird dog? You can bet my dog ain't flinching at the sounds of gunshots.

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from libertyfirst wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Ted Kennedy was a rich stupid man with no skills and much less common sense. Even his own father refer to him as the numb one in the litter. Without daddy's money and influence he would have had a hard time finding a box to live in. He was a hardline back door racist who spoke easily and often of the under privileged blacks simply to keep them on the welfare lines to supply liberal votes. Anyone who could not see through this poor example of a human can not see at all. He preached living off of the teat of the government cow for so long that some of the stupid in our society now believe it. I don't like speaking ill of a dead man but in Kennedy's case I'll make the exception. Good riddance-this guy was not a good man.

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from Happy Myles wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

T W Davidson,
Been missing you, glad to know you are OK. Kindest to all

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from Gunslinger wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Can rest assured, as long as any Kennedy Blood flowing, there will be a Kennedy in DC. So many accidens in that family, I wonder if they were "Accidents"As for old Man Joe, making his money with MOONSHINE, come down to my place and I can show you this day many STills yet operating and our young people buy daily. Give it to the old man, he knew how to make MONEY. Sorry for the family, they have been thru enough, more than their share. But Cancer has no bounds, it will strike any of us any day. I had my bout in l989, lost My Dad, SIster, Uncle in past 20 yrs to the deadly disease. Let's hope Ted's replacement will be a guy who can get things straight in DC and the USA.We are hanging on by a wing and a prayer. Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

NC30-06 Tooooo effen long already!

CONGOKURT , yup, your welcome!

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Good to see ya Gunslinger AMEN brother!

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from Gunslinger wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Thanks Moishe: I've not brrn feeling up to par lately, sure pray by hunting season I'm feeling. Will surely miss my annual Rocky Mtn hunt this year.Just maybe by next year the cards will be dealt in my favor. I love the Rockies as well as hunting here. I think I could be happy hunting any place on this beautiful country of ours.I trust Ted found peace prior to his depature, hopefully we all can. At 74, few hunts left in this old body, but just maybe a trip our west is yet to be taken. I would love to hunt New Mexico for Elk, will see what 2010 brings. Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from ranger2 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

'06, your a bright and articulate fellow, your welcome at my campfire any time~ JB

BTW, I can scarce resist the opportunity to whack the sh*t out of the snake, even if it does eat rats! LMAO!!!

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from matt28 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I'll keep it short... couldn't have happened to a more deserving piece of human waste. I jumped up and clicked my heels when I first heard... may he rot in hell!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Matt - I don't think he really needs your condemnation to hell. He already took care of that himself!

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from semp wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Yo Clay Copper ... your 'ProChoice' comment almost sent me to the underwear draw! Great Chuckle ... I need a lot more chuckles now days.

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from semp wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike Diehl ... I decided I wanted to reload for my .357Mag last Fall. So Santa brung me a set of dies. Prior to that I just reloaded for my rifles and .45 ACP. January&February are kinda indoor hobby days in Northern Vermont, getting real sick of post Inaugaration TV I order some primers ... more correctly I try to order ... I try PowderValley, Cabelas, MidwayUSA, MidSouth Shooters, and others ... finally I asked Cabelas to keep my order active until filled. The last guess Cabelas had is November maybe? PowderValley still claims a 50,000,000 primer backorder. Maybe I should trade in my .357 and dies on a .50BMG Barrett and dies ... primers are available for that pea shooter :-D

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from snowninja wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Someone once told me "The only way to know how you lived, is to hear what they say when your dead".

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Depends who "they" is. When strangers speak ill of the dead it is more telling of the shallowness of the speaker than of the deceased.

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from semp wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mtnhunter ... Yup!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike D.

I'm sure the late Teddy did some good for some poor lost urchins in Mass. He did more to advance the liberal agenda infecting this country than anyone else I can think of. That's about as nice as it gets.

You are correct. It is hard to be totally worthless, but for my nickel he comes close. He has real competition from Hillary Clinton though. I guess you should leave our worthless blog since an overwhelming majority of the bloggers have a strong opinion similar to mine. You and Bella and TWD should find somewhere more intellectually challenging to proclaim your moral superiority. I would not want you to become tainted by us low lifes.

Give me a break.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Yep, Mike, love them cap n' ball revolvers. Cast up your own bullets out of old fishing weights and I bet it is even cheaper than .10 per round.
We had an old banana hanger we never used, I took another look at the thing and there I saw a pistol reloading stand! Just a bit of whittling here and there then I had a stand to hold my 1858 Peitta Remmington vertical for charging! I have convinced all my buddies at the range to get cap and ball revolvers too, I have so much fun with mine. I generally shoot .44 "cowboy conicals" I cast up myself, though I had a stainless model that would only chamber ball ammo. I liked the stainless steel, but I wanted to shoot conical bullets so I sold it off to a friend o mine. Because some of my shootin buddies live in NH and I live in Mass, I have pushed the black powder pistols because I know that Mass doesn't consider them firearms if they are muzzleloaders, and therefore my peeps wouln't be hasseled with Masterbachusetts inane gun laws. We makum big smoke in woods! Shootum up heap big vegitables!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"but was protected from facing a murder charge by money and position, which is not. Unfortunately, Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for her comment."

That would be an example of talking out your hind end about a subject of which you know nothing. There was a Coroner's Inquest and independently of that a Grand Jury. The Grand Jury refused to indict on consideration of manslaughter etc.

The claim that there was this big conspiracy to evade justice is false, just as the claim that 'Kennedy did nothing to try to save her' is false. Both of those assertions have about as much credibility as the 9-11 Trufers who think it was all a CIA conspiracy.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"There was a Coroner's Inquest and independently of that a Grand Jury. The Grand Jury refused to indict on consideration of manslaughter etc."
Talk about talking out your ass!!! If money and position didn't have anything to do with that finding, I'll eat my hat!Give it up, Diehl, you are defending the indefensible.
Kennedy was a murder, or at the very best, guilty of vehicular manslaughter.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

@WA Mtnhunter -

I made it out today. The birds were wary and evading like all get out. I hunt them in open desert so they're sort of hard to predict. But it was strange of the two I got this AM one was full of amaranth on one full of wheat. I don't know where he found the wheat. Maybe he was migrating from up north!

Back after them on Monday I think.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Hey MIke what part of the country you in?

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from O Garcia wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

The Kennedys have way too much charm. White House reporters write about how JFK, aside from being a womanizer, was vindictive and foul-mouthed and had the best talent for saying "f$%k" among all the Presidents they've covered, and yet JFK continues to be viewed as a clean as a whistle saint. He and FDR practically invented bugging in Washington D.C. and it was Nixon who got caught.

And then there's the legend of old Joe being an admirer of the Nazis back in the day.

The Kennedy's have way too much charm.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Speaking as a person who has some "liberal" leanings and some "conservative" leanings, I've got to say you guys dissing the dead muddy the message of preserving the 2nd amendment, when you drag the rest of your right wing codswallop in on the issue. When offered a drink I would always prefer to have the liquor liberally poured as opposed to having a conservative dram. I disagreed with Ted on a coupla things, but the rest of it I am all for. Ted never did get my guns, I still have em. Even though I did disagree with Ted regarding the 2nd amendment, I actually worked for his campaign (anything but that thricecursed,F-ing cultist bastard Romney, whose grave I will yet spit on). I used to say Teddy is an elderly dipsomaniac, but he's Our Elderly Dipsomaniac, Dammit.
I know quite a few folks who prefer to have both guns and single payer health insurance. I know other women who like having guns AND control over their own bodies. I have gay friends who think they deserve the same rights as other Americans and include gun ownership as a right along with the chance to marry their lovers just like straight people.
When you mix the issues, you loose potential allies, Maybe many of you "cons" out there would rather that only straight white male christians had legal access to arms, but the Constitution don't read that way...
When are you cons going to get the clue that in order to obtain our Common goals, we need to unify not divide. Offensive crap dissing the dead ain't gonna win you any points in the big picture. You just look nasty and uncouth when you do so.
While I am glad to see the month of celebrity funerals finally over, lets let the Dead be Dead, and get on with other stuff.

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from Clem Snide wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

He may be gone but his rancid genes live on.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Hi Bella,

Thanks as always for your thoughtful comments. Especially your comment on rights. Equal rights should mean equal rights for all in accordance with the framework of our Constitution, not just the latest and greatest judicial interpretation.

As for dissing the dead, I never passed an opportunity to stone the Kennedy's when they were alive and won't stop criticizing their malfeasance now that they are dead. I share your sentiments on Mr. Mitt Romney, by the way. So we agree on a couple of things!

Good hunting and shooting. I looked up the Howdah gun from another of your posts. Very interesting. I had never seen one of those. I don't know how I missed it in the wish book catalog.

Best regards

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Bella

Me thinks you are outnumbered, milady. Surrender whle you can !

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from Zermoid wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

At least now ole' Teddy can perform a useful function in the world, as fertilizer!

That man's CAR has killed more people than all my guns put together!
Why the he11 did he not want to ban cars too?!?!?!?!

Sorry for the language but I have Nothing good to say about him......

Hey TED! olo. You!

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from Zermoid wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

focusfront,

I believe the answer to your question is Nazi Germany.

Or something way too close for comfort.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Well Bella,

Looks like you are outnumbered here. Too bad you are not outnumbered in Mass.

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from LutherMartin1517 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Good ridence to one more idiot who was screwing up America. The world is a better place now. I heard that girlfriend killer Ted will be buried at Arlington. That is a disgrace to all the real heroes that are buried there. God has blessed America by removing yet another Kennedy from our midst.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Most optomistic thing I have read since the "election"!

http://townhall.com/columnists/KevinMcCullough/2009/08/30/why_the_o-mini...

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Kennedy has killed more people with his cars than I have with all my guns nuf said, he was a worthless POS JMNSVHO!

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

YA"BUDDY, THIS IS IT! Starts 5PM monday - friday!

http://www.910knew.com/cc-common/ondemand/player.html?world=st

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from Bella wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I am delighted to have inspired so much passion.
For one, I only dispise two kinds of Christianity, Mormons and Evangelicals. My opinions about all the other numerous variations ranges from respect to tolerant amusement. I just don't think that what Mormons and Evangelicals DO reveals anything Yeshua would approve of. I personally try never judge anybody for what they SAY (except Liars), people will believe and SAY any damn thing at all. Freedom of speech and all that. What I will judge you on is what you DO. I ain't gonna go into what the friggin Mormons inflicted on me when I was a Kid, all I can say is I will hate that cult forever for what they did to me and my family (and you would too, if you saw it from my viewpoint). I dislike Evangelicals largely because of what the self-rightious leaders of such related organizations do and say. It is the tendency of both to attemp to warp the words of the Prince of Peace not to loving others but to hatefulness and to justify vamping on those they consider valid targets.
Claiming I am antichristian is just inaccurate, I am anti those "christians" who refuse to turn the other cheek and insist on judging others when they themselves are sinners. I read the New Testiment, I don't think "Reverend" Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptists actually did...He just pretended to do so and only quotes the bits that support his prejudices. I don't like hyppocrites at all, because I walk my talk. I claim You crm3006 are antichristian because you do none of the things commanded by your Savior and warp His words to suit your prejudices. No Humility, No Heaven!
I think that folks are trying to rewrite the dictionary again So I'll give you Roget's Thesaurus instead,
Liberal, 1, generous, giving, freehanded, charitable, lavish, philanthropic, bountiful, unsparing. 2,Abundant, plentiful, rich, copious. 3, Nonrestrictive, loose, free. 4, Tolerant, broadminded, accepting, indulgent. 5, Progressive, reformist.
To Liberate is to free, emancipate, unshackle, manumit,extricate or rescue. Totalitarianism is the exact opposite. None of the attributes of Totalitarianism match the definitions of liberalism or liberality in any way. The word closely related to Liberal is Liberty! Yes! I am a Liberal! By the real definition not the Orwellian constructs of reactionary pundits. I will call Liberality generous and freeing as that is it's definition properly, and when the "liberals" in the Democratic party try something that just ain't generous and freeing I'll call them on their double talk too! Really pisses me off when loud mouths insist that black is white and white black and seem to think that shouting it will make it so.
I'll say this, I don't want "special rights" for queer folks. I want a level playing field for everyone. Some folks seem to think that "hate crime" legislation grants special rights or protections for the Gays. Nothing is further from the truth. Often in the past LEO's wouldn't even look for someone who beats up or murders a queer or a tranny. Some states wouldn't even keep statistics. Equality has to be equal for everyone, or it isn't equal. Murders motivated by extreme passion are always overkill, I have known people who were beaten to near death then locked into the trunks of their own car which was then torched. That was a hate crime, the perps who did that deserve extreme retribution for an extreme act of malice. Not even crm3006's personal homophobia justifies such an extremely cruel act. I do not support "special right's", I just no longer wish to encounter a situation where any friend of mine is beaten or traumatized merely for existing and being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think it is the Ego-Dystonic Homosexuals that need treatment, the ones who hate their own inner attraction to men soo much that they lash out and persecute other homosexuals to act out their own self-hatred. Fairly common in our society, and often inspired by misguided "religious" training in youth. How much happier the world would be if people would get over self denial and learn to love themselves for who they are, rather than some vacuous societal projections of "ideal" and "politically correct" (don't tell me that there isn't both a conservative and a progressive version of political correctness, the two sides mirror each other perfectly!).
Anyway I wish to say that I do not want the Queers Tolerated. I wish the Queers Accepted, mere tolerance is not good enough. I want Acceptance and Equality, for me and mine and I will not settle for any lesser portion. I am a veteran and I will not settle for second class citizenship because I PAID for Equality with years out of my life.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

This thread should have been entitled "Some Parting Shots at Ted Kennedy." The amount of hateful chickenshit fired from people here who universally don't know crap about the man and probably aren't morally fit to wash his underwear amazes me. I know the neg feedback is coming but some of you guys are really just putrid little pustules.. not at all fit to pass judgement on anyone yourselves.

Anyone who'd wish eternal damnation on someone isn't worth crossing the street to piss on even was they on fire.

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from John L wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Well Mike D,
Please re-read you own post, then I think you need to take a look in the mirror.
John L

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from John L wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

To clarify, Mike, what I meant to say in my post was that chastising other people's , character, incivility and insults by outdoing them at the same thing (hurling insults and name calling), doesn't gain anything.
You may like what he stood for and tried to do, or dislike it and the results of what he did, but dueling name calling doesn't ever prove a point.
You have the same First Amendment Rights as the folks you referred to, but I didn't see any threats, justs opinions of both kinds.
I guess I should add, this applies to everyone who posted their opinion.

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from semp wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike Diehl ... I do have .44 Walker Colt replica by Uberti . Thing must weigh 4lbs. I always laugh when I watch one of the "Spaghitti era" Eastwood flics and some bad guy has 4 or 6 of them stuck in his belt without suspenders. I shot maybe 200--->300 .452 balls from ... not many X-ring hits to be had there. Most times I had no clue without using a 4'x4' target backing ... and that's at 15yards. Those balls just tend to wander while I wundered?

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from Bella wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

TWD that was amazing, If That One in the camaro is allowed to breed the Earth is truely doomed...
People loved Ted in Massachusetts because he did so much for ordinary folks. He never forgot anybodies name and he brought home the bacon for Massachusetts again and again. Yeah, he had some personal issues and some things he had to live down, but he was human. He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.
The Kennedys have always been leaders. Ted (and his illustrious brothers) are direct descendants of Brian Boru, last High King of Eire. The very genes of the Kennedys predispose them to leadership.
There is one thing I know about Leaders, there are a lot of posers who think they are leaders but who don't know poop about how to motivate and inspire other human beings. Yet often when the poop is hitting the fan a body will step forward and lead, providing direction through whatever chaos has befallen. This teaches me that leaders are not chosen but are revealed...only adversity uncovers real leadership. You can't really trust a leader till he or she has been through the fire and shown their mettle. Ted may or may not have been through the fire, but he certainly went through deep water. The very sins so many deemed Ted unworthy for marked when Ted got serious and truely filled a Kennedy's shoes. The tragedy made the man, the Sea Ettins took a sacrifice and bestowed a kind of greatness. Still Ted died the straw death and so goes on to Helheim with all the rest...His elder brothers all sit in Valhalla now, Does Joe fly a Bomber for Odin's entertainment and does John still skipper a PT? Perhaps, Odin knows. I might surmise however that if RFK contests before Odin's high seat, he does it with a briefcase and lawbooks. But Valhalla and the Valkyris are not for Ted, who died in bed.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

WA I apologize for calling you a sniveling loser. It was retaliation for your remark about "whining" and calling me a "liberal" (neither of which are accurate) but you and I have agreed more often than not & I ought not to let one disagreement sway my opinion.

That said, I can't beleive you can't find any merit in Kennedy's accomplishments. Let's take a poll. Of the people here who just loathe Kennedy, how many of 'em took any 9-11 victims' families into their homes or, say, took on a big brother roll for some fatherless kid after 9-11?

Look at the WHOLE record and then try to tell me he was a "worthless" person.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I'm not sure what you mean by a "liberal agenda infecting this country." I think this country has alot of political infections. Certainly there are no "republicans" in the Eisenhower, TR, or Lincoln sense in the GOP and there are no conservatives in the ranks of the current republicans. Likewise there aren't many actual progressives (which term recalls people like Lincoln, TR, Harry Truman, and Eisenhower) in the Democratic party.

I honestly don't give a rip whether or not 99% of the people in this blog are willing to demonstrate the same knee-jerk reactionary lack of intelligence directed at Kennedy. If they don't like my challenging on it they can FOAD. Anyone who doesn't like my opinion is free to go find a skinhead website or something where the general thrust of the comments directed at Kennedy in this blog more properly belong.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"You've got a lot more than just one to do."

Nope. I never start one but I'll always retaliate.

"My dedication to decorum, (?????????)..."

You have trouble with sarcasm, don't you?

"So, Teddy lets someone drown, but is nice to some kids?
Call it even?"

Wtf do you know of it? NOTHING except what some reactionary activist told you to believe. Kennedy appears to have tried to get into that car several times immediately after it went into the water, and then came back within an hour with help. Now, I know it's hard for you to get past the political INDOC you've digested on this, so tell me: in a decent tidal rip current at night in 20 feet of water could YOU dive into the water, find the car, get the door open, and effect a timely rescue?

As to "nice to some kids." That is of course the most absurd UNDERSTATEMENT to sum up a lifetime of a person's efforts that you could offer. Saying that he was "nice to some kids" is like saying "Neil Armstrong rode in an aircraft one day."

"I suspect that ..than ol' Teddy ever wanted to be honored for."

Again, YOU KNOW NOTHING. Did you ever meet the guy? Write to him? Work for him? Work against him in the US Senate? Try to negotiate a deal? You're talking out your ass on this and you know it.

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from John L wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

You'll never start one but will retaliate.
I don't believe the thread began with people's opinions of you, unless you are channeling ole' Teddy.
The responses were about someone who spent his whole life (warts, good deeds, and all) in the public eye.
To many, the bad outweighed the good, to others vice versa.
Fine, lots of different opinions, based on what different people observed. Like him or not.
We'll agree to disagree.
I mean, WTF do I know?
You've obviously formed your opinion of the rest of us dumbf...s, based on your having "met,worked with, talked to, negotiated a deal with" us, is that the standard?
I mean you certainly wouldn't ...well, I guess you would.

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from John L wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Well, I was 12 years old when JFK was assassinated.
Robert not long after.
Since that time everything that Edward (Teddy)did was lovingly and massively covered by the media so it wasn't as if his record (public and private) were not available, if someone was paying attention, which I happened to do.
I must forever in the future defer to your opinion, the only "basis in reality".
I have now seen the light.
Will ignore his speeches, voting record, and overall character. He was a saint.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"You're wrong and that's the only point of view that has any basis in reality."
And I thought Bella and yoyo were stuck on stupid liberal left wingnuts. Mike Diehl, INHO, you need some meds or counseling, or just some corner time to chill out.

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from Bob81 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Focusfront,
I have to disagree with you on the same sex marriage thing. Christians in no way invented marriage; it was around a long time before the time of Christ. Arguing that allowing same-sex marriage "takes away the rights of Christians" is like arguing that allowing women to vote "took away the rights of men".

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"you need some meds or *counseling*"

Is that the word that reactionaries use now instead of "brainwashing?"

I should take some meds or get some, err, brainwashing, so that I won't leap to the defense of a basically decent guy, from the attacks of people who know nothing about him, but who have such great personal values that they'll culumnify a dead man's rep?

More people could use that sort of "disorder" I think. I'll let you make that comparison ANY day.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike Diehl
Thinking Teddy Kennedy was a basically decent guy proves my point. He was a left leaning elitist Liberal, which is legal, but was protected from facing a murder charge by money and position, which is not. Unfortunately, Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for her comment.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Next, we will be entertained by someone extolling the virtues of Rep Barney Frank, D-MA. What a kind loving fellow he is who almost single handedly saved the U.S. from collapse by refusing to believe that all the hints about the impending banking and loan bailout were pure fantasy. Of course had we listened to him all along, we never would have been in trouble in the first place. He knew what was best for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the rest of the country was just plain stupid! Not intellectually capable of understanding the system like the illuminati such as he.

And your young women who serve as House pages are perfectly safe in the company of such a fine gentleman. Boys might be a different matter....

Diehl, you keep repeating that stuff over and over and sooner or later you will believe it! Keep it up! Chant, "Obama, Obama, Our Obama" over and over. Come on, let's hear it for ol' Ted! He is the one who endorsed Obama!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

HEY WA Mtnhunter

THAT'S MY LINE!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

We should put a season on Pork Barrel Spenders!!!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..."

Translation: "The truth is too much for most reactionaries to bear. Better to remain a mushroom and eat the bs they keep feeding me."

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Good comment,dave the bowhunter, always heard you couldn't buy your way into heaven, but if your name is Kennedy, guess you will try to buy anything. Even out of a murder charge.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Unlike so many of you out there who think the only truth uttered comes from Saints Hannity and Limbaugh, I have actually been to Chappaquidick and stood on the bridge in question. It would be easy to drive off that bridge in daylight. Ted tried to save her but couldn't, the water there is deep and swift, the only people who still blame Ted are people on the opposite side of the political fence. The courts cleared him, but he became one of the old umpty point bucks of the Senate, and open season lasted all year. Perhaps he is resented because he was loved by his consituants. I loved the anecdote about the construction worker who Asked Ted "I understand Sir, that you have never worked a day in your life." Then before Ted could respond the construction guy said "You know, you haven't missed a thing!" Yes, Ted was a Kennedy, and as such was financially secure from the git go, but with him it seemed to mean that he never needed to feather his nest like so many other politicos. No oil company could bribe him by jacking up his house, Nor need he cotton up to industry for "consulting fees", he has never needed the money. Once running for POTUS was off the table, He did one thing, he was a senator. I lowered my Flag to Half mast on the day he died, because a half century in the Senate is a lifetime serving the people. The very fact that his name is so viciously cursed is testiment to his effectiveness at doing his job. Every conservative who cusses out Dead Ted adds a brick to his memorial. He pissed people off because he got stuff done. He was a politician, he made deals, some of which I didn't like. True he didn't like guns and I do, but I still have my firearms, he didn't ever take them away or the ammunition (and now he is quite past the point of legislation).
So go cuss yourselves blue in the face for Old Dead Ted. But remember every time you curse someone you only reveal your own vulnerability, your own fear and weakness. So by all means let out the invective, I have yet to see an Ad hominum critique of Ted that had a particle of substance aside from the notion that he may have blamed "guns" for his brothers deaths (which is blaming the workmanship on the tools). That one sticks, yes, but if you had lost 2 (actually 3) brothers you loved you might also hold an irrational opinion or two. After all, irrational ideas are fairly common these days...

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from Ruckweiler wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike Diehl:
Are you just obtuse? Teddy and his entire life were one big front-page story. From his politics to his failings,you'd have to be deaf, dumb, and blind to have not noticed. He was VERY much the known quantity. Old Joe's money gave him the freedom not to give a damn. Criticism of him, whether dead or alive, came with the territory. Sorry it bothers you so.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Let me put this into perspective.
I put 20 years in the Military and those of my same rank qualified for food stamps. We moved so much buying a hose was not an option.
Retired from the Military, Civilians my age have a 20 year lead on paying for a house third the price of the one I just bought next door. They have a 20 year head start in major companies and worked their way up and regardless of my advanced skills they say I’m not qualified (age discrimination at its finest).

For the past five years, my Wife and I have sacrificed everything and busted our ass to get where we are at now and those Freedom Freeloaders called Democrats who to damn lazy want a piece of my pie?

Get off your lazy ass and start being responsible for yourself!!!

AND!

Go kiss your own JACK" ASS"!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

@Clay -

I live in AZ.

Bear in mind that I'm a taxpayer too, and I don't like to pay taxes. I vote both parties, so I don't really have a political affiliation.

What I think of Ted, well, he did his military time too. And I can't see anything all that terrible about trying to get people who have none into food, shelter, and decent medical care.

What's the alternative? Just let everyone who's had a bad luck streak, reallyt awful parents, or had their job shipped overseas drop dead? Fend for themselves?

Bear in mind that there are LOTS of working poor who need that help because the jobs they can get don't pay that much. (As an aside, supply-siders like to complain about unions, but at least labor unions had the effect of creating working citizens who paid their taxes and who don't live on taxpayer subsidies.)

Bottom line is that classical macroeconomic theory never had a way to account for state controlled industrial powers like China, where workers get what the local party boss tells them they'll get and they'll like it or wind up donating organs to the black market, and where health care and energy costs for which American industries pay are provided to Chinese industries at waay below market rates, and where currency manipulation and trade barriers are simply s.o.p. (and our gov't won't retaliate because the China lobby funds all the so-called "Free Market" "Think Tanks" in D.C.)

If there's some magic solution for providing for basic human needs for Americans who can't provide 'em for themselves, other than taxpayer support, I'd like to know what it is. Until then I hold my nose, pay the awful taxes, deplore the wasteful spending and trudge on.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Mike Diehl

I lived in AZ, what part? Might have some good info for you to go hunt

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Governor Michael Dale " Mike" Huckabee for 2012!

AND YES TO

“THE FAIR TAX PLAN!”

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 4 years 23 weeks ago

That goes with the old saying that guns kill people and they are responsible for the many murders that happen in this country. The reality is, people kill people. If you make a law outlawing guns, the only people who are going to follow it are the law-abiding citizens, not the people who commit murders and crimes and such. Those gangster and criminals are always going to have their hands on guns no matter what the law. With a law outlawing guns, the only thing that does is take away the protection that many law abiding citizens have against such criminals.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 4 years 23 weeks ago

Guns dont kill people, people kill people. Any law that restricts people from buying guns/pistols or anything of that sort will not help anything. The only people who will obey that law are the law abiding citizens. Those who actually commit the crimes, and give gun owners a bad rep, are not going to follow the laws no matter what. Outlawing guns/pistols or whatever would just take away guns from those who would defend themselves, giving the criminals an even bigger upper-hand.

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from kaanimal wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

It's a sad day when anyone dies. It sucks. But I have one word to describe Senator K. "Communist"
OK, make that two...
"Anti-American"

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Kennedy was anti-2nd amendment there's no doubt, and he was wrong to take that position. But I can accord him a bit of understanding; two brothers shot -- if you really believed that the prevalence of firearms makes the temptation to kill someone too strong, you might take his position. I wish he'd been closer to people in the hunting community. Maybe then he'd have seen the real problems that led to his brothers' deaths.

In other respects he was a good man. He reached out to and took great care of the 9-11 victims from his state. When Soviet Jewish refuseniks were being persecuted and given substandard treatment in the USSR, he made a way for them to immigrate to the USA. He was the guy who dressed-down John Sununu for being a chickenshit to a staffer. And Kennedy was always a good negotiator and willing to compromise to get things done.

He had his warts, but the Senate is worth without him.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I'm fine with the guy in the mirror. I am confident that I'm in the right on this. And I have nothing else to offer other than pity for those who've made such a cock-up of their existence that all they can find time to do reflecting on the life of a fellow who tried to do alot of good despite some of his obvious faults is to hurl crap on his memory.

I'd take that to the bank. Anyone who doesn't like it or who thinks I'm in error has their head so far up their brown spot it'd take a chest cracker for them to see the light of day.

At the core Kennedy was a guy who tried to do right by alot of people. I wonder if any of the contributors to this blog tried to do as much for their fellow citizens?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"Ted Kennedy was a piece of $hit and you know it."

I don't know it and I know his record well enough to know he tried to do some real good and despite not agreeing with everything he wanted to do I am, unlike yourself, truthful enough to admit it.

"I spoke ill of that drunken SOB every time his name came up or I saw his scrotum face on TV."

Yeah. I can believe that you're All Hero when you're yelling at your TV.

"Examine the facts with your PhD liberal head out of the liberal cesspool of lies and fantasies."

The only cesspool around here seems to be flowing from your infected pie-hole.

"When you are a pubic figure for most of your adult life, expect to draw fire."

Draw argument, yes. Cheap petty shots, well, only from certain low lives.

"As for your assault on folks who had negative things to say, what makes you so morally superior?"

My knowledge of the facts, my dedication to decorum, my overall good looks, and my basic moral superiority. At least you don't hear me taking cheap shots at the dead.

"For the record, I'll phucking say what I pheel like saying regardless of yours or anyone elses whining."

I never whine. I banter, rebut, and occasionally when dressing down a sniveling little loser like yourself, I get blunt. Feel free to rant on though. I'm sure it says all manner of wonderful things about you that you're such a hero in front of your TV and that you're so good taking cheap shots at the reputations of dead men.

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from burnettjv wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I hate to say it but,... I'm glad that SOB is dead!

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from dave the bowhunter wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

what i like is now that kennedy is dead,,they had to make sure the public knows,,that he had his slave obama take a letter to the pope over seas,to try to redeem him self for all the lieing and murdures stuff he done over the years,you would think a letter like that would be personel,but they just wanted to prop kenndey up a little more with it, by telling every body about it...i wonder what that cost us for that little side trip??iam sure they would tell you it was well spent money ,the pope pry laughed under his breath about that one

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from yohan wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Dam ,. didnt know ( for sure ) Bella was a woman,.
Could have sworn ole 30-04 1/2 "was tho

Speaking as a concervative liberal.
Yet realizing that concept might just zoom right over some one of the far right .

To witt:

No doubt the Kennedys were a dirty bunch,.from a political, financial,and to some extebnt social .. standpoint he again what else is there?
They played by rules only in existance for those who possess vast wealth,. which begats power.
But wealth and true power are not the same.
as they learned,..

As I am busy to day ,.. I will need to stand for now with Bella ,. excepting a couple items (view points) that I am not done thinking over ,. One beimg same sex marriage.Dont mind the consolidation of assets and,.. rights typical to marriage ,. but Im just not DOWN with the same sex thing. But thats my religion and its dificult for me to think past that yet.

Armming queers is Ok but Im not real big on pick camo so that could be a bone of contention with her .

Other than that,.. the woman makes sence ,..

Oh and by the way,... Mountain Hunter ,..
To quote you ' I may not agree with everything you say but I will defend your right to say it ."

That said you realize of course ,. that a man traveling a path to the east long enough will soner or later be coming from he West.
So it is,. that I see radical concervatives as well as liberals as the same.

If we could arrrange for those in both camps (the diametrically opposed) to meet and do battle,. (especially those who have never seen combat ) such that most were killed outright.
Because they would be Pi$$ing them selves and shooting anyone including thier own.

The rest of us could likely find a 4 lane Highway of compromise and get something done.
Other than this emotionally charged back and forth BS
Which from a purely business standpoint COSTS EVERYONE MONEY that is simply not necessary.

Teddy was a punk,. no doubt,. yet aside from his duality.
Leading one life and promoting another he did do some good,.. inpite of his evil deeds ,.

He's dead now ,. let him be dead.
We the living still have Sh!t to accomplish , ans we can learn from his mistakes.

Oh and buy the way F & S,. if this hunting and fishing Magazine continues to be used as a personal politcal platform by its editors,.
I'm out ,.. and I will do as much as i can to have
others out.
The second ammendment will never be a real issue because there is just too dam much money in guns and ammunition ,.. to let that part of out economy just go away .
Lip service to peta ,.and cleveland Armory the siera club vs the cannonized NRA etc etc
Bills floated to limit this and that
AND that dog just dont hunt.
Because the VERY VERY VERY powerful,. the ones who actually run things
The ones with no party,. no allegiance,. no religion, and no morales,.. other than power and money ,.. won't let it.

However my euridite colleges ,. "THEY " are the ons who dont want single payer health inscurance,.
Because then they couldn't stick their hand in your Western most pocket by coming from the East ,.. think about it !

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

"You'll never start one but will retaliate."

That's right.

"I don't believe the thread began with people's opinions of you, unless you are channeling ole' Teddy."

Don't trash a good person unless you want a fight. Most people are taught not to speak ill of the dead. Most people regard it a matter of dishonesty when people say the incredibly bullshit ridden spiteful things about a person that Kennedy's detractors have offered here. If I knew enough about YOU to think YOUR reputation were worth defending, and if some troll came up with a whole bunch of unsubstantiated baloney about YOU, I'd give 'em the same treatment. Even was you alive. Which given the content of your posts is open to reasonable doubt.

"We'll agree to disagree."

Nope. You're wrong and that's the only point of view that has any basis in reality.

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from RonDak wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Geez. You guys spit A LOT of hate. What did he personally do to you? Yes, you may disagree with his politics, but cutting him down when he passes away in completely uncalled for.

Mtnhunter, did he touch you when you were little? You need to relax with the venom.

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