Flame Thrower so the game I shot would be ready to eat.

Flame Thrower so the game I shot would be ready to eat.

My Beretta Cx4 Storm, my Beretta 92F, and my Kel-Tec Sub2000. They all fire the same round from the same magazines. A bolt-action Mossberg 695 12GA with rifled barrel thrown in there as well. With luck and Hornady's SST 300 gr sabots it'll take any game/zombie around and shoots sub 2MOA at 100 yards all day long and can shoot buckshot or bird shot at need.

If you're really interested in getting into survival mode, come check out our Survival section at www.hipoinfirearmsforums.com lots of friendly people, no gun snobs.

Just having a little fun, Moishe. C'mon, are you going to tell me you haven't fantacized about your own "Red Dawn" moment?

"I disagree on the disoriented ,powerless, Civilian logistic support dependant military."

Harumpf. Disagree all you want. Armies have made that mistake dozens of times and they're 0 for dozens.

"Mike your wrong"

No, I'm not.

"and even if we ran out of resources any brother in the military or that has served in combat would previal agianst a civilian mob or mobs in most cases.."

For one or two engagements, yes. But then, any well-organized community defending itself would also prevail against such mobs. And that is, after all, what we're talking about. Anyone who thinks that good discipline and order will prevail in the US armed forces during a period of prolongued anarchy and starvation is optimisitic to the point of delusion.

@ChevJames

"The only way we'd survive is to maintain some kind of "community.""

Exactly so. But also, consider, that even as an individual, you don't need to outrun the T-rex, you just need to outrun the guy next to you. You don't need to outgun the mob, you just need to be alot more inconvenient than the next potential victim. Even in mobs, most people take being shot at with a high degree of cold caution. It did not take many armed Korean expats standing on their businesses in South Central L.A. to encourage the rioters to turn on themselves rather than on Korean businesses.

" I dont think we got our asses handed to us."

Who won? Why? In the end the US armed forces lost the support of the US civilian population. End of war, US Armed forces lost. You can only keep all those force multipliers in action for so long until they run out of fuel or otherwise break down. After that, it comes down to guys with rifles. If the remnants of the US Army were fighting to occupy some armed community in ugly terrain, my money's on the armed community. The basic facts of concealment, cover, surprise, and terrain still rule the battlefield once you're down to mostly guys with rifles.

Survival in this old world isn't possible, anyway. The best we can do is to get on the same page, team up and vote similarly when possible, and not give up on the best social contract devised, so far. I have had a mob on my doorstep, when my family was quaking in the bedrooms, and I was on the other side of the front door with a shotgun. There was not enough ammo or help, to make much of a difference. I am here because the mob decided to run down a few blocks farther, not because I am so very well prepared, or have a battery of fine weapons. Which I did, and do. Since then, I have given this survival thing a bit of thought, and have concluded:
---I will try to be a good neighbor...and take care of my family and other helpless neighbors..
---I won't be in the frame of mind to shoot down my local sheriff or deputies, nor my local National Guard boys...that is just the truth of it. They are not my enemy, nor I, theirs.
---I will hold the politicians to their campaign promises, as best I can, and encourage Truth along the way. That beats out 165 gr. boat-tails, most of the time.
---I will teach as many kids and women as I can how to shoot, and how to love their land and freedom. And I do that now, not waiting until a disaster.
---I will not be buying survivalist books, nor hate-filled books about Bush or Obama...some poor boob has to be the President, and I will pray for his or her soul. However, I will not trust any of them.

What will I do, should catastrophe reign for a while, such as in a dirty nuclear bomb in the city of Baltimore or Washington, D.C.?

Same as above, and try to raise some chickens, cut more wood for the stove, keep my garden going, and teach the ignorant know-it-all kids how to do the same. Looters might be shot, particularly at night, in and around the house. I have already let one village idiot off, when I could have taken his life. I am so GLAD that I did not shoot him down, just because I had the drop on him.

Personally, I think that shooters and hunters are the cream of the crop, generally...and that the rest of the country should be looking to us for stability, not for an isolationist, angry point of view. I also honestly think that we will band up together in local groups, most likely, to pool our strength, not leave our homes for the cabin or cave. That is when we speak quietly and carry a big stick...with hollow points.

There is no substitute for being prepared, but our people also need a temperate tongue, and wisdom, behind the pistols. We need to be trusted, smart, and reliable. And, truth be known, many of us are probably past the military age of our former years. We would, as needed, sell our lives dearly. That is a given. If you have ever tried to clean up the blood from a floor, or dig graves, you will find time for a little reflection. That kind of preparation is needed, too. Ask some wise old coot who has done it--he'll tell you the same, I believe.

Guys..you do realize that we are inventoring our batteries for all to see...?

Peace, backed with Sam Colt.

Blue

dang people you're getting deep-it's a rather simple question(although I enjoyed reading the responses) the question being what would you take to the hills with you? my answer to that; I'd take a knife, my bow/arrows my 3006 and as much ammo as I can carry. I should be fine for a while.

With regard to firearms, would there be an advantage to having two firearms chambered for the same cartridge? A .22 LR rifle and revolver/semiauto, for instance? Or a lever action .44 mag and revolver?

I think if an apocalyptic event occurs we best have well-honed community building skills. We'll survive better working together.

Very interesting discussion, but I think I'd revert to the idea of survival, not confrontation to force. Regardless of "Red Dawn", I'm hiding out in the hinterlands (yes, I know where, they'll be a long time finding me), trying to survive and save those near and dear to me, not waging war.
The .22 seems to be the best,lightest, cheapest and overall best "survival" piece.
Better spend the weight I carry on shelter, warmth, and
health items.

More and more I'm amused with how the question "So, as Der Tag nears my question to you all is, what would you take to the hills with?" on a forum that generally gets well into double digits on responses has turned into a hundred and some responses ranging from answering the question to how big of a threat the U.S. military poses.
As another, other aside, I think the U.S. military is the most powerful thing stalking the planet, however I think the U.S. soldier is also one of the most moral.

"I'm pretty sure alot of vets and other civilians would band together with them and law enforcement to help delay and defend any outpost set up against any mob."

That's an encouraging thought.

"Food can be found almost anywhere."

Good luck with that.

"There are many other toys out there to play with that are simple yet effective."

In a forum full of firearm enthusiasts, you're pretty much stating the obvious there, general.

Unless, of course, that RGT is living off of long pig, hairless goat, man corn, and soylent green.

"I just know the capabilities of one of the greatest militaries in the modern world and the will of free men and women."

Remember, the Bushido Spirit will always prevail if applied with sufficient will and determination. Not.

"Food can be found almost everywhere... you gotta remember in a chaotic situation abandoned homes, stores etc.. source of food."

Uh huh. All those civilians are just going to abandon it to you?

"Farms, Crops,"

And if the civilian populace calculates it does not need you or feel like supporting you, then....?

"Wildlife."

Right. Like I said, if you're feeding anything remotely as large as a regimental combat team on "Wildlife" you no longer have a field capable force.

"What I speak of has nothin to do with guns... it has to do with improvising... using your head thinking outside the box.. High Speed."

I know what yer talking about, general, I just don't share your opinion that no one else has thought about it.

"I don't know why some people want to paint the military as some kind of thugs that are just gonna turn on it's own people or just fall apart in a scenerio filled with chaos."

You got it wrong there, general. No one's trying to "Paint the military" as anything at all. But I didn't write the "no government no currency" scenario. I'm just addressing it.

Call me a cynic if you like, but I think Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle got it about right even if their scenario was a bit more cataclysmic than "economic and governmental collapse."

would depend on what I'm running from or to. Most of us have nevere had to survive in the wild, so better consider what it takes to make in the woods. Yes, guns are necessary, but many other items are as important. I would make a list that would fit in my pack to take along. A quality knife would also be a great item to have if you can shoot game. Guns; again depends on what you prefer to do, kill or live.

Dave DID ask a simple question, so that is why I stuck with guns and didn't get into MREs, water purifiers, means of starting a fire, etc. when speaking of surviving the apocalypse.

Mr. Diehl, there is only so much room in the back of your station wagon. You and your muzzleloader are the ones doing the dreamy speculation here; if I have room in my car for lead, black powder, and a nine pound 48" long flintlock, I've got room for another SKS and a lot more ammo. I can tell you for sure that whatever happens in the long haul, we are guaranteed to be up to our bee-hinds in alligators in the short. Every time there has been a power outage in New York, Chicago, etc. every window within rock throwing distance of the ground was instantly broken and the stores instantly looted. Some coppers roughed up a lowlife on film fifteen years ago in L.A. and the town went nuts for days. A big storm hit LA four years ago and what the waves didn't carry away from New Orleans, the looters did.

The problem with running is that anywhere you run to that's worth living in has people living there already. Such people are likely to consider you and your carload of bows and black powder weapons to be a danger to them. Your best strategy is to run to that place NOW, so that when the ball drops they know you for a friend and ally.

One good consistent thing most bloggers here have done is pick out guns that (except for that 5.7 pistol, cool though it is) take common ammo. Everybody running needs at least one gun that is easily refueled. In this respect the .22 rimfire is king. A .45 is good, but a revolver like a Ruger convertible in .357/ .38/ 9mm would be a handy thing to have stashed somewhere, just because if you can't get ammo that gun can shoot, you can't get ammo period. Same goes for something that shoots .30-30 or .30-06, even if it is a Handi-rifle; every hardware store in the country sells .30-30 or .30-06; can't say that for .300 WSM or .50 cal. Browning.

and yeah, an SKS is good, but an AK is better. magazine compatibility, firepower, intimidation factor. survival mode. and it will take the same cartridges as the SKS. Just MHO.

HEY! Dont forget about being in top physical condition too. A person in better physic has a better chance of long term survival then most of our obese americans in our country today. Just another thing to think about.

Blueridge, your plan seems a lot like mine. Anybody see that "alone in the Wild" "reality show where the guy with the accent tries to live for 6 months in the Canadian North and mostly starves and is generally mizerable?
Heck whatever comes I'm standing my ground, I'm already in the hills and I been watching them storm clouds a comin fer some time. I've had a decade and a half of prep time and while I ain't got everything where I'd like it, we lost power for 2 weeks last year in the dead of winter and we held our ground. Good thing wee did cause I was hearing of evacuee's houses getting burglarized. The neighborhood pulled together,we cleared our street ourselves (big ice storm, lots fallen trees) and we muddled through. Our house was being taxed back in 1847, so we already are rigged for wood heating and cooking. We were on our own for a while as emergency vehicles couldn't have made it through, but hey We live in a place with good neighbors. Guns? We actually didn't need any. It was axes and chainsaws that were weapons of choice that week.

Oh...forgot to mention; Lots of Duct tape...miles of it. Don't leave home without it!!

I really like the Remington Rand comment from John Dougherty.

One trivia about the 1911 pistol that I learned from Popular Mechanics: after the end of the Vietnam War and until its replacement by the Beretta, no new 1911's were acquired by the US military. They either just used the surplus guns from Vietnam, or rebuilt guns (or built entire guns) from the spares in the parts bin.

Not sure if that is true, though. At least PM features guns.

I think we all assumed a lot of different things when we posted our answers. Some were thinking Tom Hanks-talking-to-a-volleyball kind of survival in the wild, some were thinking of the Rodney King riots survival in the urban areas. Depends on where you live, I suppose. Or where you'll eventually end up.

I must point out that many people abandoned their homes during the Depression. And their farms. In fact, many people gave up everything except their cars (there's that Mad Max thing again). This is not to knock anyone's opinion, just to point out that not all farmers are self-sustaining. How many farmers still know how to stock seeds nowadays, when copyrighted hybrid/GMO seeds are fashionable? Who will supply pesticides? With American farming so monocultured, a bacteria or virus plague could wipe out entire areas. I'm not saying farmers aren't made of stern stuff, but without outside support, after a planting season or two, they might be leaving their farms too.

Meanwhile, there's Mexico. Just don't run into the drug gangs there, who are as heavily armed, if the news are correct, as the Mexican military. Canada it is then. OK, I'm just joking.

Ruger 77/22 - Small game

Remington 870 in 12 gauge - Small game/birds, also general defense

H&K G3 - general purpose, also large game

M1A1 with a good scope - sniper weapon

M1911A1 - backup

M-60 - Because you never know when the s*** really will hit the fan

I'd look at it from 2 perspectives, first if you are gonna live long term in the hills you need to eat, if you need to eat then you need to hunt.
Quietly.
Bow & arrows and a accurate 22LR can do the job of feeding you without attracting unwanted attention.

Now, for defense I'd always have my 1911A1 and at least 2 spare mags on me at all times. More mags would be even better.
I'm assuming the family would be with me so we would have to have defensible shelter, an old mine or cave would be ideal, a 2 story brick building would also be good, an old farmhouse or something like it and preferably surrounded by fields where you can see any possible enemies coming from a distance. As has been said before, either a M4 or AK47 type weapon, .223 and 7.62x39 ammo would be pretty easy to come by. And for close quarters combat nothing beats a 12 Ga pump shotgun loaded with buckshot, with some slugs and bird shot it could do double duty as a food gathering as well as defense arm. I've got 2 Savage pumps, saw off one for a defensive arm and leave the other as a hunting/defense weapon as it is.
I would also have a 380 in a shoulder holster as a backup handgun, and the 44 Mag Redhawk on my right hip.

And remember, in a situation like that it's shoot first and ask questions later. Someone approaches where I'm at and is armed they will be shot at, if they are lucky and smart they will run away as quickly as humanly possible.
Hopefully dropping a weapon and some ammo along the way.
>:-)

Just staying put inside, not letting anyone know your intentions, essentially, keeping your f'n mouth shut about whats happening! Then:

.22 for those close in targets- not awares you're hidden inside-harrassing fire
12 ga. shotgun for those brave enough to charge the house
.300 Savage rifle for those targets down the street
.250 Savage rifle use this while letting the .300 cool down
30-06 scoped, for the longer shots
.223 scoped to take out and dismantle those not able to determine I mean it
I have 2000 rounds for each of these, plus a 6" 629 to take care of the survivors left in the street, "IF" there are any. Plus reloading abilities for each firearm. Then be ready to meet your Maker when all else fails!

Also, I'd bring some wire for making snares. Even without that, you can improvise a lot of deadfalls from natural materials. Oh, and I'd bring some seeds, something like pinto beans or lentils, that produces high-protein food that can be stored for long periods.

And actually making blackpowder is quite easy, you don't have to be a PhD chemist to make it. I'm only a masters-degreed chemist and I can do it. Charcoal is easily made, potassium nitrate is a little harder, but still within the realm of MacGyvering in the woods (at least for me, a chemist). Sulfur, you'd have to loot from a defunct drug store (but you could probably pick up premade potassium nitrate along with it)

I have just watched Glenn Beck's show, 19-15-2009. Look at who all is in charge now. I am afraid that unless there is a complete reversal of the political, idealogical, and spiritual direction of the country I and so many others have sworn to defend against all enemies, both foreign and domestic, we may indeed be in for some potential situations referred to in this discussion. It is time for those who remember the times when Americans like our founding fathers were held in high esteem, encourage those who don't, to use the ballot box to repel this onslaught of America-bashing socialism, marxism, and communism while we still have the chance. Otherwise, all this bravado may, unfortunately, be required.

Bolt action .223(most common ammo)
PUR Hiker Water filter
accurate .22 rifle
Diamond bow
I really don't plan on an apocalypse but its the last excuse I have to to buy more "toys"

Lettering is so small I can't read a word. Try to enlarge back to old style Dave.

If you want to have a reasonable idea of what might happen if we shoud experience a civilization threatening eventI suggest you read the book "Alas Babylon".It was writen quite a few years ago (perhaps the 50's or 60's)about the events that ocurr after world war 3. I forget the author but perhaps his first name was Pat. Of course it's fiction but not too bad a yarn.Youcan read it in an hour. It's food for thought, could even give you an idea or two. Otherwise, carry on.

I completely agree with Reefmonkey, if you want to eat on at least a semi-regular basis, learn how to trap and snare, learn how to make fish traps etc. Bows and crossbows are great except remember you have limited resources. Arrows and bolts bend and break depending on their material. And, let's face it, eventually they will all get lost. You can learn how to make bows, arrows, and the seemingly simple atlatl-- a great ancient weapon that central american tribes used for hunting and as a weapon--went right through spanish breastplates! I believe everyone should own a good 22 rifle--for hunting, target practice,TEACHING others especially children good shooting fundementals and safety, and economically, its the most efficient. I would tend to go heavier in weight than most people if I did NOT have to pack it. The more accurate the better. I really like the Thompson Center 22's. They are ALL steel and VERY accurate. Yes, they tend to hold value even when bought used {ie, more expensive} but super accurate and reliable. One gun writer wrote that this is what the 10/22 should have been in the first place--before you drop the $200-$300 in it. Choice of 308 or 30/06 is probably obvious, and is on personal preference. Semi-auto is more fire power and less felt recoil, but you will also go through ammo faster, and with heavier ammo, you carry less. Bolt guns are more accurate in most cases, but slower in operation especially in stress. I'll buy one of each in the same calibre. Shotguns in 12 or 20 gauge depending on your size and experience. At close quarters, the shotgun is king. Most thugs hit with buckshot from either on, won't be able to notice the gauge before they croke. 12 carries more pellets in a heavier load but you pay for it in recoil. Again semi-autos have less felt recoil but pump actions are almost as fast in action and shrug off dirt and sand should it get in the action. Mossberg milspec 590 or an 870 are best in current pumps. Mixed reviews in my experience with Ithacas although I haven't shot the latest ones made in Ohio, I've heard good reviews on them. The 870 has been around forever, and has a proven combat record by the police and military. Should in the unlikely event it has a broken part, parts are easily available and any gunsmith can fix it if you can't figure it out. I'd get one in used good condition to save money for the previous reasons and out fit it for tactical use. I guess I'm most familiar with the 870 as it was my TO weapon in the service and I spent many lonely nights with one cradled in my arms---but thats -er- a different blog. Logistically you're carrying less shells for the bang due to size and weight. Mossbergs and Remingtons are the 10/22's of the shotgun world with a ton of aftermarket parts. For a pistol, I wouldn't carry anything in a calibre that didn't begin with the number "4." Most pistol calibres just don't have the traumatic shock of rifles, so you are going for blood loss (the bigger the bullet-the bigger the hole) and accuracy/bullet placement -head,heart/lungs,crotch--yes crotch, I've seen it end gun fights rather quickly, its great for constrained areas--aisle on a bus or train-- its pretty easy to hit on the draw, causes a bent-over reflex, and sets them up for the other two shots-- crotch shot on draw/ he bends over /two to the back of the head/game over. I've read some say how available the 9mm is, but most police have gone FROM the 9mm to 40 sw or 45 acp. A couple months ago you couldn't find 9mm, but I was buying 40 sw ON SALE! SIG Sauer, Glock, H&K, any of the mainstream 1911 companies are good choices. Again look for good conditioned used esp. in SIG,Glock and HK, they can probably shoot better than most people can hold them, and are durable enough to pass to your grandchildren. I usually buy pistols and revolvers full to mid size, as the ultra compacts have more felt recoil-think double tapping and follow up shots, are generally less accurate, loses the velocity of all that high priced defensive ammo you bought, and can get quirky with high velocity defensive ammo-due to the lower mass of the gun and higher recoil impulse,the rounds can move in the magazine, and can even cause the bullet to back into the shell case. This can produce jams and can also cause higher than normal case pressures.This is what happens sometimes when you are shooting regular ball ammo in practice, buy some hot +p ammo for defense that you would think would shoot better-it doesn't-then wonderif someone switched pistols on you. Plus if you have a big heavy pistol, you can crack him in the mellon if you run out of ammo. Lastly, I would get a good AR 15.I would go with a national match model-better sights,better trigger, better barrel, free floated, better fitted (more reliable). Clapsed stocks and re dots are ok up to about 200 yards, but then you target starts to be getting the same size as the dot and you start needing a better cheek weld to improve accuracy. I would go with the regular stocks, an A4 flattop folding back up sights, a good 1-5x20 or 30 mm scope (both eyes open at close quarters but enough magnification to go 600+ meters, tactical rings with picatinny tops to mount an ultra compact reddot for close quarters( burris fastfire2 or the similar trijicon) for say 0 to 75 meters. Regular 223is okay since as civilians we don't have the same constraints as the military, so we can shoot every thing from Varmint Grenade-think minimal ricochette but nasty wound-to the heavy long range stuff like Sierra Matchkings. Several good knives folding and fixed, several good big knives-TOPS Armeggedon and/or Cold Steel Trailmaster, tomahawk -I go back and forth between the Viet Nam models and the traditional-so I better get both, good compasses Silvas are simpler than lensatics but lensatics are more durable, good water filters with backups, meds and first aid, freezed dried bulk foods if I had the money or canned meats, brown rice, dried beans, dried fruits on the cheap, solar panels for basic electric and to charge deep cell batteries, rechargeable batteries for flashlights and walkie-talkies. But by far, the most important single thing for my survival would be....TO GET TO THE MAIL BOX BEFORE THE WIFE TO GET THE CREDIT CARD STATEMENT.

Someone needs to reach out with that .30 cal and touch the monkey on my back!!! SGAREDNECK is right!!!

Wow. I have been trolling threads for a long time and I have never, ever come across as much BS as this thread has in it. There is one person up there that has a little sense built into him and that is squaredneck.
Now, I am as much of a gun luvin', survivin' guy as the next, but what are these mobs that people keep talking about? Are there zombies that I should be worried about??
Have we, the readers of F&S, turned into a huge militia group? When in the history of the U.S. have there been any roaming mobs ready to take down your food supplies??
Sure is going to get lonley in the small towns with every single one of you "headin to the hills" in the event of any trouble. I'll be safe and warm in my house while you're in a tent trying to get by, while dodging the Russians while screaming WOLVERINES!!!

I agree with squaredneck. Rid yourself of the debt, be sensible and you'll be fine in the event of any unsettling times.

You all sound like 11 year old kids out camping after watching "Red Dawn".

Although by this point you probably aren't interested in my "choices" for zombie killin guns, but here are my choices for

1. Home defense: Modified Mossberg 500. Why a shotgun and not an AR-15? Well, you should know that, you're F&S readers afterall. There are LOTS of reasons. LOTS.

2. Food procurement: .308/30.06 Simple. Why? Availability of ammo. Versatility, etc.... Who needs a .338 RUM to, as you so eloquently put it, "Reach out and touch someone"?? Please. If a human is THAT far away and posing a threat they are most likely shooting BACK AT YOU.

3. Food procurement cont.: I have no arguments with the 10/22. A perfect rifle to have with you. Cheap, easy to use. Cheap, available ammo. Good choice.

4. I'll assume, since you are F&S readers that you are familiar with your OWN pistols. Why limit yourself to one particular model??? A 1911 in .45. Why? I cannot see a good reason as to why it cannot be a Glock in .45. I agree that having a pistol in your mini, zombie-killin arsenal is a good idea. The requirements for it to be a 1911 are absolutely ridiculous. I'll take my Glock.

If a body was considering "heading for the hills" they should have gone already. Fleeing a crisis with what you can carry (in whatever container, knapsack, car, trailer...) you become a refugee, you are already lost. When TSHTF it is already too late. Infrastructure takes time and thought as well as a lot of sweat. Awful hard to do in time of crisis. It is like other things,the time to start training in martial arts was 10 years ago, it wouln't do you any good to start learning Tai Kwon Do tomorrow if the crash happens the day after tomorrow.
You can't expect to just hit the hills and squat there. People like me usually already own them hills and If you ain't already made nice with me you can't camp in my woods. I do expect to wind up takin in some refugees, we always have, the law of Hospitality is sacred to us. But taking us for granted doesn't invoke the hospitality of the house, rather the opposite.
So If you think you might need to ditch yer comfy suburban tickeytackey cardboard box of a house and flee someplace rural you should be making the arrangements now, making the social connections where you might feel safe to be now, because it will be much too late once TSHTF. If you don't do your research and your background work it will not matter what kind of gun you have, because if you go out into the "sticks" and attempt to get pushy with the locals, you'll likely find out quickly what kinda guns THEY have...
As far as 1911 vs Glock, plastic guns may not rust as much but I understand a Glock is worn out after something like 10,000 rounds, then it is a paperweight. The 1911 is still around because it is a lot like a Jeep, nearly infinately rebuildable, with more parts available than can easily be imagined. Anyway Jeeps and 1911 automatics kinda go together anyway...

My remington 870, obviously,
another 870 SPS SuperSlug, a Marlin 1895 lever action shotgun, and a H&K USP, or maybe M500 pistolgrip with extended magazine. (You can tell I like shotguns)
There is sense in my shotgun obsession. The 870 obvious. The SPS would be great for long range. Saw off the stock on the Marlin and you have some Terminator related awesomnes. And you always need a good .45.

Sooooo, in the "Glock vs 1911" argument:

How many rounds are you going to have with you?
How many zombies are you planning on shooting, 10,000??
You have THREE other guns.

The argument about 1911 vs Glock is a mute point.
That is pronounced "moot" for those of you who don't know.

This is fascinating. Having a muzzleloader is a great idea, but I'm curious how many of the folks here know how to use a muzzleloader. I mean a real one, not one of those inline, Pyrodex pellet machines. And while it does make sense to have a flintlock under the theory that you'll run out of caps, you're still going to need powder.

My dream survival fortress is the basement of the couple in Tremors (the wife was played by Reba McIntyre).

"Weirdos" and "pretenders?" What's the deal, Diehl?

Well said. I detest snobs.

Mmm, a bit touchy? I also don't hunt in a coonskin cap or buckskin. I shoot a muzzleloader because I appreciate the lines and feel of the firearm, and I respect the distance limitations it puts on me through range and the use of iron sights vs scope. The point was I have never seen a flintlock inline.

And who's the snob? Looking down your nose at those who do enjoy the buckskin mountain man look aren't you?

You guys need to get off the blog and go hunting or shooting! The BS is getting a bit deep.

Remington 870 12 ga pump if I could have only one gun this would be it.

Remington 700 30-06 so many bullets everywhere.

Ruger 10/22 mainly for food and bullets are cheap and everywhere.

In all truth if you are going full scale war you need a fully automatic .223. Parts are readily available.

just a hunting story here too .... wife complains that all the cute deer and tasty turkeys seem to be gone from the farm .. and we see very few deer around our place ... but lots of coyotes. so - out with the 204 ruger last sunday morning at 5:30 am to get set up at the edge of my big forest - gonna call em out with a mouse squeak :) ... well, i took 30 steps out my door and two run past me in the dark - one big one and one smaller one .. RIGHT AT MY HOUSE FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD. I stop frozen thinking WTF! they saw me arounf the corner of the house and are long gone ... so i sit down on the lawn on the hillside .. as the sun comes up a bit i start to scope the field - still sitting beside my house .. and there i can see 4 deer in the field about 250 yards from the house out toward he front gate. The deer are grazing and i scan back toward the forest looking for coyotes thinking i should just head back in the go back to sleep as i have been spotted and feel like trying another day. the sun is coming up higher and i am still thinking about quitting but decide to take a last look at the three deer (remember i and the wife have not seen many). Well, they are now about 400 yards away but through the scope i now see the "deer" were in fact three other coyotes that had been grazing for mice with their heads down LOL. i ordered a night scope so next time i can see better :) some of you should appreciate i would not shoot what i could not really see.

3 Remington 870 Wingmasters. With rifled and smooth bore barrels.
As many shells and slugs as I can find.
A Bolt Action 30.06 with as many shells as I can find.

3 870's provide 2 shotguns with 1 used for parts to keep the other two going.
30.06 for larger game like moose, elk, deer, and zombie's.

I live in the middle of nowhere, on good black gardening soil with several free-flowing wells, so I'm not going anywhere. However, if everything really went pear shaped and I had to leave...

1) a centerfire rifle
--hmmm... looking at the gun rack I think I'd take
a Winchester 88, mostly because it's the only
one I have with sights, just in case something
happens to the scope. It's a .243; .308 might be
better. Oh well.

2) a .22 pistol
--I have an early Ruger automatic that would work,
I guess. It's a rabbit killer, and I actually do
own a holster for it. I don't own many holsters.

3) a 12 gauge shotgun, sawed-off
--It would pain me greatly, but I think I would
chop up this cherry 1906 Ithaca side by side I
picked up at an auction. Pistols are fine, but
you just never know when you need to go all Mad
Max on someone.

4) ??????
--That's enough to carry. However, since I have
one choice left for the thought experiment, I'll
add the one gun list: a .22 rifle. In that
scenario I think I'd take a Marlin 39A. I'd be
pretty comfortable in the post-apocolyptic world
with a golden boy in tow.

Well it's been almost a year now, and not much has happened . The Protests and town hall meeting's have had and will continue to have positive effects several of the worst politicians in D. C. have either announced impending retirement's or are unlikely to be reelected. They are having problems trying to pass much of the crap they have in mind. I do feel a lot better than I did before. But the thing to do between now and the primary elections is to either RUN FOR OFFICE (I intend too)or pay attention to who does!!!!!!!!!!!

give me a M-16A3 with a scope a backpack a .22 rimfire and glock-18c in .45 acp and i'll be fine