


February 26, 2010
Bourjaily: Remington's Competition 1100 Prototype
By Philip Bourjaily
Clearly, the gun in this picture is not your father’s 1100.
It’s a prototype Competition 1100 sent to me by Remington’s shotgun product manager Brian Lasley. The gun grew out of a conversation I had with Lasley about affordable youth target guns. I cannot take credit for the result because Brian sensibly ignored 99% of what I told him to do and took the project in a totally different direction.
What he came up with is an adult-sized dedicated target gun that is extraordinarily soft shooting and fully adjustable. The 1100 gas system, the recoil reducing buttplate, the soft pad and the gun’s 9 pound, 1 ounce weight all combine to make the gun nearly recoilless. The comb is fully adjustable for drop and cast. The buttplate adjusts up and down and cants in and out. Future iterations of the buttplate will feature a spacer system for changing the length of pull. This version has a 30-inch overbored barrel and comes with five extended choke tubes.
The stock is regular synthetic dipped to look like carbon fiber. The finish gives it serious eye appeal as I learned when I casually uncased it and set in the rack at our high school trap club practice last Saturday. Kids picked it up because it looked cool, but they wanted to keep shooting it because it didn’t kick at all. When I tried it I found it easy to hit with. Between the semiautomatic action and the compressible buttplate, the sensation is of the gun squishing against your shoulder rather than kicking.
Of course, you can find tricked-out 1100s at any gun club. What makes this one different is that it will come like this out of the box, and Lasley says he hopes to keep the list price under $1000. If he can do that, it will be a bargain.
Comments (35)
Clearly not my 70s Model 1100. 1100s have long been known for light or reduced recoil, compared to most anything else. Good to see this old standard still going strong. Any plans in Remington's future for another LH in 20 Gauge?
If they can ship a gun with that stock for less than $1000, then I think it's a great deal. I'd prefer to see the same setup in wood, but that's just me.
Love it!
I like the changes ...
I still have my first 1100.
I LIKE THAT!
Looks like something out of that kids movie TRANSFORMERS and when all folded up, I wounder what it be? LOL!
BUT I LIKE IT!
awesome! the fake carbon fiber look is a little silly, but it still sounds like plenty of fun to shoot.
For under a thousand I would be very interested, hope it comes out as a 3 inch. I also wonder if it will be picky about shells like some other 1100s.
Never had one -but some of my club buds have some 1100s in wood, old scool. thay love it or some have them up 4 sale foe me the Browning mod.2000
Looks nice, I wonder if the stock will get small enough for little kids to shoot. Either way I want one to add to the collection.
if i only had all the money to buy all the guns i want, i would add this to the collection. But i dont so it wont happen..my life story
I like it too; Finish color gives it a good look, and adjustable stock is the way to go with plastic...but I still prefer wood!
I wonder if that buttstock fit my 11-87?
I sell the stock set mentioned in this article (minus the recoil reduction system).
Please check out my website @ http://sminglershotgunsports.webs.com/jackwestremstocks.htm
I'm with Clay. I wonder if I can buy that buttstock for my 1100 trap gun. Sense facial surgery for cancer, my wood stock doesn't fit anymore, though that wood is beautiful.
It seems we of the pretty walnut and blued steel generation are rapidly approaching geezerhood. How many guns are designed for the younger shooters today? In fact, how much advertising is designed for the youthful market? SIGH! However, if I was a serious clay target competitor, this gun would be worth a look.
Remington fans will no doubt like this but I'm sticking with my Benelli SBE and O/U's.
It indeed appears a dedicated trap and sporting clays gun at a somewhat reasonable price.
1100's are old, but we should never forget the old tried and proven technology.
Now THAT's an 1100! I'll be having one of those! Look out all you foreign fancy pants...Remington's in the house.
Now THAT's an 1100! I'll be having one of those! Look out all you foreign fancy pants...Remington's in the house.
This maybe exactly what I'm looking for. I have leukemia and since 2007 have spent 123 days in a hospital. Plus haven't pulled the trigger on a shotgun since the fall of 06. The doc will not let me for fear of bruising. However, I'm in a good place right now and am looking forward to warm weather and talking the doc into letting bust some clays. Just need some info on recoil(my doc is a shooter and knows about recoil). I wonder does Remington have them. Also would be nice to have a hunting gun(3") . Anybody know?
if they make a 3,5 inch model im getting one :P
tbartos42 -- You might try 7/8 or even 3/4 ounce reloads in your 12 gauge for minimal recoil. Right now I'm shooting 7/8 ounces of shot at 1150 fps and it is very light kicking. Remington sells a "managed recoil" 12 gauge target load that is 7/8 ounce at 1100 fps. Something like that, a very soft recoil pad and a gas gun that will cycle light loads might work for you.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INFO. I WILL GIVE IT A TRY. CHECKED WITH LOCAL GANDER MOUNTAIN AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE REMINGTON 1100 COMP YET
Whyisit necessary to re-sign in each night, such a waste of time. i;m already registered or I would not e getting this e-mail.
Anyway, the ll00 is by ar the greatest Semi auto ever built. I've had one since they cam eout, and never a mine trouble. ALl ot needs is more hunting time.
I like it any Idea of when they are going to release it to the general public for purchase it's not on their website as of yet, but I know my youngest would love it?
maybe they might have one for demo at the ATA Grand in Illinois this year
This looks like a good idea but I am with ejunk. I bet the younger shooters would be happy with three cans of spray paint and some decals to "decorate" a plain black synthenic stock.
Phil, were your rejected ideas similiar to the ones posted here?
Ick.
tbartos42:
Hang in there, brother. I'm going through lymphoma right now, so I have an idea of what your life is like.
The gas system for the 1100 really does cut down the recoil. An additional route would be to get one of these recoil pads;
http://www.gunaccessories.com/limbsaver/index.asp
and/ or, one of these strap on pads:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/59513-1.html
I haven't used the recoil pad, but I have the strap on shooting pad, and it really works. If you get one of these you will have to practice mounting the gun a bit, as it adds thickness to your clothing. But using an 1100 with light loads and one or both of these should keep you from bruising.
Pray for healing in Jesus' name, eat healthy, and keep on shooting. Shooting is the best hobby in the world. For me, a day at the range is a good day.
pbhead -- I had a simpler youth gun in mind, with a stock adjustable for pull and comb height. I kind of like this better.
Hello, All!! The recoil system in the article is my own design called the Auto-Buster. I developed it primarily for gas operated autoloaders. It works on woods stocks,too!! Do a search for Mr. Speedbump Stockworks to find out more about it and my hydraulic system, the Bump-Buster, for both shotguns and rifles. I also handle the J-W stocks on the gun above and have some patterns no other dealers offer. Thanks!!
I have a QUESTION , about REMINGTON auto-loader designs , that goes back thru ALL models , since the Model 58 ( ! ):
Why does Remington make the OPERATING HANDEL SLOT almost 1/2" Inch LONGER than the ever-possible travel of the Bolt-Operating-handle ??
And , after that Question ; WHY ON EARTH DO THEY THEN CUT A TOTALLY WORTHLESS SLOT another 1.5" further back , until they have the entire Right Side totally open to both WEATHER , and Field-Debris ???????
And , for anyone who has real Gun-Smith background , : Is there a reason for R-1100-3"-Mag Barrels to have TWO different locations for the EJECTOR location : 0.4" & 0.5" from the rear-end of the Barrel-Extension ???
Please feel free to E-Mail me directly , if these Q's need some explanation !
///MRB
FOCUSFRONT, THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN, PRAYERS AND IDEAS. I WILL LOOK FOR THE ADD ON PAD BEFORE ADDING THE LENGTH TO THE GUN. THE BEST PHRASE I HEARD IS THE ARE NO ATHEISTS IN FOX HOLES OR WITH MAJOR HEALTH PROBLEMS. IT IS TRUE.
I think the 1100 is probably the most utilitarian shotgun in the world. It shoots softly and it shoots where I look. With this configuration it will shoot where you look too if you dial it in.
Its my Mothers Shotgun. And she is a good shot with it.
Hello,
We are the folks that manufacture and distribute the above
adjustable stock. It is available for Rem 870, 1100 ,11-87.
WE have it in Black, Carbon Graphite, Digi-Camo and American
flag finishes. You can view @ AJShotgun.com
Available @ Brownells, Gun Accessory Supply, SpeedbumpStockWorks,etc
Bill Davis Enterprises LLC
Fair Oaks, Calif
916-997-7675
Ken Rucker @ speedbumpstockworks.com manufactures the recoil
reduction system pictured above. Check out his website, he is good!!!!
Bill Davis
tbartos42 only weak people need a god even during severe distress, the rest just calls out for mom. "Mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children"
And there is something like an inside voice -check your capslock.. Get well and peace ;)
I shot an 1100 12 ga. when I was about 13 or 14 at a newspaper sponsored skeet shoot. Simple, straight away birds, and I got all 5. I was impressed with how soft that shotgun kicked. I have always wanted one, but am holding out for a left hand version.
My son and I were among the lucky ones who got to try this gun. My trusty old 1100, which I bought as a boy 37 years ago, is my son's choice of trap guns today, mainly because we already own it and it just plain shoots well and with only moderate recoil. But it took a new barrel with screw-in chokes to replace the fixed full choke barrel, some prettier used wood, and a Morgan adjustable recoil pad to bring it into the realm of a decent youth trap gun that fits him.
We only shot this prototype 1100 a few times each, but no clay went unbroken; it points and shoots like it's heritage demands. I am definitely not a fan of all the black plastic on guns these days, preferring the class and character of wood, but this gun, with the carbon fiber look and not-quite-stainless and not-quite-satin or blue metal finish was a looker to be sure.
Today, as I scour the internet looking for a fully adjustable stock for one of my 870's or 1100's so I can have at least one gun that will adjust easily to fit some of the youth shooters properly, my search brought me here and I was reminded of what a fine idea this factory prototype is. Exactly what I want one of my guns to be. Trying to explain to kids and parents why their off-the-shelf field gun does not fit right for trap or for the huge variance in youth sizes is difficult. We have kids ranging from 5 foot nothing to 6 feet 4. Low scores and even a few bruised cheeks from bad gun fit are not the way to encourage youth target shooting. Being able to adjust a gun to fit properly and letting them see and feel the difference themselves is the best way to show them that "one size does not fit all". Every youth team coach needs at least one gun like this, so I'm not surprised at all to learn Phil has been pushing for one. He didn't mention his part the day we shot this one.
Spending the money for custom stock work is out of the question for most beginners, especially rapidly-growing youth. But it is virtually impossible to find a bolt-on replacement stock with both adjustable LOP and an adjustable comb, even for models as popular as Remington's 1100, 1187, and 870.
Remington is absolutely on the right track with this model, and there is literally a "growing" market for such a gun: Our kids. If they also offered the stock alone as a replacement, I'd order one today. Do a search for such a stock and you'll see what a big demand there there really is.
Personally, I prefer the convenience of the pictured adjustable LOP system over spacers and would also like to see some sort of non-ejecting single shot selector built into such a gun, eliminating the need for often-lost clip-on shell catchers and making the transition from field to trap to skeet or doubles very simple. Even $1000 is a serious investment for most parents, and they will always look for the most versatile gun for their son or daughter... or even themselves.
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Clearly not my 70s Model 1100. 1100s have long been known for light or reduced recoil, compared to most anything else. Good to see this old standard still going strong. Any plans in Remington's future for another LH in 20 Gauge?
I LIKE THAT!
Looks like something out of that kids movie TRANSFORMERS and when all folded up, I wounder what it be? LOL!
BUT I LIKE IT!
If they can ship a gun with that stock for less than $1000, then I think it's a great deal. I'd prefer to see the same setup in wood, but that's just me.
Love it!
I like the changes ...
I still have my first 1100.
awesome! the fake carbon fiber look is a little silly, but it still sounds like plenty of fun to shoot.
For under a thousand I would be very interested, hope it comes out as a 3 inch. I also wonder if it will be picky about shells like some other 1100s.
Looks nice, I wonder if the stock will get small enough for little kids to shoot. Either way I want one to add to the collection.
Never had one -but some of my club buds have some 1100s in wood, old scool. thay love it or some have them up 4 sale foe me the Browning mod.2000
I like it too; Finish color gives it a good look, and adjustable stock is the way to go with plastic...but I still prefer wood!
I wonder if that buttstock fit my 11-87?
if they make a 3,5 inch model im getting one :P
if i only had all the money to buy all the guns i want, i would add this to the collection. But i dont so it wont happen..my life story
I sell the stock set mentioned in this article (minus the recoil reduction system).
Please check out my website @ http://sminglershotgunsports.webs.com/jackwestremstocks.htm
I'm with Clay. I wonder if I can buy that buttstock for my 1100 trap gun. Sense facial surgery for cancer, my wood stock doesn't fit anymore, though that wood is beautiful.
It seems we of the pretty walnut and blued steel generation are rapidly approaching geezerhood. How many guns are designed for the younger shooters today? In fact, how much advertising is designed for the youthful market? SIGH! However, if I was a serious clay target competitor, this gun would be worth a look.
Remington fans will no doubt like this but I'm sticking with my Benelli SBE and O/U's.
It indeed appears a dedicated trap and sporting clays gun at a somewhat reasonable price.
1100's are old, but we should never forget the old tried and proven technology.
Now THAT's an 1100! I'll be having one of those! Look out all you foreign fancy pants...Remington's in the house.
Now THAT's an 1100! I'll be having one of those! Look out all you foreign fancy pants...Remington's in the house.
Whyisit necessary to re-sign in each night, such a waste of time. i;m already registered or I would not e getting this e-mail.
Anyway, the ll00 is by ar the greatest Semi auto ever built. I've had one since they cam eout, and never a mine trouble. ALl ot needs is more hunting time.
I like it any Idea of when they are going to release it to the general public for purchase it's not on their website as of yet, but I know my youngest would love it?
maybe they might have one for demo at the ATA Grand in Illinois this year
This looks like a good idea but I am with ejunk. I bet the younger shooters would be happy with three cans of spray paint and some decals to "decorate" a plain black synthenic stock.
Phil, were your rejected ideas similiar to the ones posted here?
Ick.
tbartos42 only weak people need a god even during severe distress, the rest just calls out for mom. "Mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children"
And there is something like an inside voice -check your capslock.. Get well and peace ;)
This maybe exactly what I'm looking for. I have leukemia and since 2007 have spent 123 days in a hospital. Plus haven't pulled the trigger on a shotgun since the fall of 06. The doc will not let me for fear of bruising. However, I'm in a good place right now and am looking forward to warm weather and talking the doc into letting bust some clays. Just need some info on recoil(my doc is a shooter and knows about recoil). I wonder does Remington have them. Also would be nice to have a hunting gun(3") . Anybody know?
tbartos42 -- You might try 7/8 or even 3/4 ounce reloads in your 12 gauge for minimal recoil. Right now I'm shooting 7/8 ounces of shot at 1150 fps and it is very light kicking. Remington sells a "managed recoil" 12 gauge target load that is 7/8 ounce at 1100 fps. Something like that, a very soft recoil pad and a gas gun that will cycle light loads might work for you.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INFO. I WILL GIVE IT A TRY. CHECKED WITH LOCAL GANDER MOUNTAIN AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE REMINGTON 1100 COMP YET
tbartos42:
Hang in there, brother. I'm going through lymphoma right now, so I have an idea of what your life is like.
The gas system for the 1100 really does cut down the recoil. An additional route would be to get one of these recoil pads;
http://www.gunaccessories.com/limbsaver/index.asp
and/ or, one of these strap on pads:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/59513-1.html
I haven't used the recoil pad, but I have the strap on shooting pad, and it really works. If you get one of these you will have to practice mounting the gun a bit, as it adds thickness to your clothing. But using an 1100 with light loads and one or both of these should keep you from bruising.
Pray for healing in Jesus' name, eat healthy, and keep on shooting. Shooting is the best hobby in the world. For me, a day at the range is a good day.
pbhead -- I had a simpler youth gun in mind, with a stock adjustable for pull and comb height. I kind of like this better.
I have a QUESTION , about REMINGTON auto-loader designs , that goes back thru ALL models , since the Model 58 ( ! ):
Why does Remington make the OPERATING HANDEL SLOT almost 1/2" Inch LONGER than the ever-possible travel of the Bolt-Operating-handle ??
And , after that Question ; WHY ON EARTH DO THEY THEN CUT A TOTALLY WORTHLESS SLOT another 1.5" further back , until they have the entire Right Side totally open to both WEATHER , and Field-Debris ???????
And , for anyone who has real Gun-Smith background , : Is there a reason for R-1100-3"-Mag Barrels to have TWO different locations for the EJECTOR location : 0.4" & 0.5" from the rear-end of the Barrel-Extension ???
Please feel free to E-Mail me directly , if these Q's need some explanation !
///MRB
FOCUSFRONT, THANKS FOR YOUR CONCERN, PRAYERS AND IDEAS. I WILL LOOK FOR THE ADD ON PAD BEFORE ADDING THE LENGTH TO THE GUN. THE BEST PHRASE I HEARD IS THE ARE NO ATHEISTS IN FOX HOLES OR WITH MAJOR HEALTH PROBLEMS. IT IS TRUE.
I think the 1100 is probably the most utilitarian shotgun in the world. It shoots softly and it shoots where I look. With this configuration it will shoot where you look too if you dial it in.
Its my Mothers Shotgun. And she is a good shot with it.
Hello,
We are the folks that manufacture and distribute the above
adjustable stock. It is available for Rem 870, 1100 ,11-87.
WE have it in Black, Carbon Graphite, Digi-Camo and American
flag finishes. You can view @ AJShotgun.com
Available @ Brownells, Gun Accessory Supply, SpeedbumpStockWorks,etc
Bill Davis Enterprises LLC
Fair Oaks, Calif
916-997-7675
Ken Rucker @ speedbumpstockworks.com manufactures the recoil
reduction system pictured above. Check out his website, he is good!!!!
Bill Davis
I shot an 1100 12 ga. when I was about 13 or 14 at a newspaper sponsored skeet shoot. Simple, straight away birds, and I got all 5. I was impressed with how soft that shotgun kicked. I have always wanted one, but am holding out for a left hand version.
My son and I were among the lucky ones who got to try this gun. My trusty old 1100, which I bought as a boy 37 years ago, is my son's choice of trap guns today, mainly because we already own it and it just plain shoots well and with only moderate recoil. But it took a new barrel with screw-in chokes to replace the fixed full choke barrel, some prettier used wood, and a Morgan adjustable recoil pad to bring it into the realm of a decent youth trap gun that fits him.
We only shot this prototype 1100 a few times each, but no clay went unbroken; it points and shoots like it's heritage demands. I am definitely not a fan of all the black plastic on guns these days, preferring the class and character of wood, but this gun, with the carbon fiber look and not-quite-stainless and not-quite-satin or blue metal finish was a looker to be sure.
Today, as I scour the internet looking for a fully adjustable stock for one of my 870's or 1100's so I can have at least one gun that will adjust easily to fit some of the youth shooters properly, my search brought me here and I was reminded of what a fine idea this factory prototype is. Exactly what I want one of my guns to be. Trying to explain to kids and parents why their off-the-shelf field gun does not fit right for trap or for the huge variance in youth sizes is difficult. We have kids ranging from 5 foot nothing to 6 feet 4. Low scores and even a few bruised cheeks from bad gun fit are not the way to encourage youth target shooting. Being able to adjust a gun to fit properly and letting them see and feel the difference themselves is the best way to show them that "one size does not fit all". Every youth team coach needs at least one gun like this, so I'm not surprised at all to learn Phil has been pushing for one. He didn't mention his part the day we shot this one.
Spending the money for custom stock work is out of the question for most beginners, especially rapidly-growing youth. But it is virtually impossible to find a bolt-on replacement stock with both adjustable LOP and an adjustable comb, even for models as popular as Remington's 1100, 1187, and 870.
Remington is absolutely on the right track with this model, and there is literally a "growing" market for such a gun: Our kids. If they also offered the stock alone as a replacement, I'd order one today. Do a search for such a stock and you'll see what a big demand there there really is.
Personally, I prefer the convenience of the pictured adjustable LOP system over spacers and would also like to see some sort of non-ejecting single shot selector built into such a gun, eliminating the need for often-lost clip-on shell catchers and making the transition from field to trap to skeet or doubles very simple. Even $1000 is a serious investment for most parents, and they will always look for the most versatile gun for their son or daughter... or even themselves.
Hello, All!! The recoil system in the article is my own design called the Auto-Buster. I developed it primarily for gas operated autoloaders. It works on woods stocks,too!! Do a search for Mr. Speedbump Stockworks to find out more about it and my hydraulic system, the Bump-Buster, for both shotguns and rifles. I also handle the J-W stocks on the gun above and have some patterns no other dealers offer. Thanks!!
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