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January 29, 2010

Why I Hate the Booth Babe Story, a Guest Editorial by Holly A. Heyser

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Editor’s Note: As part of our annual coverage from the SHOT show, the outdoor industry’s biggest convention, we always run a photo gallery of “Booth Babes,” those voluptuous women companies employ to get men to stop and take a closer look at their goods.  We always get a good chuckle out of this practice when we’re at the show (and we freely admit that sometimes we do stop to admire the view), so we started this gallery so readers could share in the fun. It’s become very popular, but it’s not without its critics. There are many smart and valid criticisms in the comments section of the gallery, but we thought they deserved a larger platform. After coming across a particularly compelling argument on the blog norcalcazadora.com, we asked the author, Holly A. Heyser, a female hunter and writer from Northern California, to start the discussion here.

I’ve got to start this by saying I’m not a prude, and I don’t hate men because they love looking at bodacious babes. I’ve even started watching “Manswers” on Spike with my boyfriend because, seriously, it’s pretty over-the-top funny.
 
But I had a real problem with F&S posting its 2010 SHOT Show Booth Babe Roundup on this website Wednesday.
In case you're not familiar with it, the SHOT Show is a hunting and firearms trade show where vendors pitch their products to merchants and media. The industry being dominated by men, many vendors hire hot chicks to lure passers-by with their cleavage.
 
Being a female hunter and writer who has gone to the SHOT Show, I’ve got to say I’m not in love with the booth babe thing. But I understand marketing, so I accept it.
 
So why, then, does it tick me off that Field & Stream runs a photo gallery of the booth babes?
 
Simple: SHOT is a private trade show, but this website is a public space. It’s not a men's locker room where all the guys can sit around ogling hot chicks in privacy.
 
Yes, men are still the vast majority of hunters – 91 percent, according to the most recent U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service National Survey. But the number of male hunters is dropping steadily, while the number of women hunters is holding fairly flat. And here’s the most important statistic: The number of girls ages 6-15 who hunt has nearly doubled since 1991.
 
We know boys who hunt have traditionally loved magazines like Field & Stream, so it stands to reason that this growing number of girls who hunt might also read such magazines and their websites. And if they subscribe to F&S's email newsletter, as I do, what they saw in their inbox Wednesday morning was something touting the Booth Babe Roundup as the top story.
 
What’s the problem? Let’s just apply the common sense test: Guys, would you show a photo album of hoochie mamas to your 12-year-old daughters? Or would you sit there making salacious remarks about that photo album when those daughters were in the room?
 
Of course you wouldn’t.
 
What people don’t seem to realize is that there are 12-year-old girls in the room now. This room. This audience. And while you can choose not to take your little girls to SHOT, and you can lock your cable system so they can’t watch “Manswers,” you’d think fieldandstream.com would be a pretty safe place for a young huntress to visit.
 
At least you’d hope.
 
Holly A. Heyser is an avid hunter who teaches journalism at California State University, Sacramento, and writes NorCal Cazadora, a blog about hunting, at www.norcalcazadora.com.

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from Douglas wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Great points. I certainly had not thought of this at all.
Thanks for your insight!

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from Bryan01 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

No serious person can argue with what she has to say - the only real question is whether or not Field & Stream will have another Booth Babes feature next year - that's a question the Editors should answer.

My guess is, that by giving this letter a prominent position on the web page they are trying to have it both ways - temporarily placate the viewers who dislike the feature by publishing this letter now and then running the Booth Babes feature again next year.

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from TJ wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Anyone herd about poop, people offended by offended people. They aren't breaking any laws, hurting anyone, or infringing on any of your rights. Relax, if you don't like it take your business elsewhere.

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from dave63go wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

As a normal, red-blooded male, I enjoy the photos of the attractive women as much as the next guy. But the author makes an excellent argument - the Field & Stream website isn't a men's locker room.

I very much want to see more women embrace hunting and fishing, for the future of both sports. Field & Stream, let's do everything we can to encourage our wives, daughters, and girlfriends to hunt and fish. In doing so, let's leave the website full of hotties to Victoria's Secret.

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from mop4pom wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

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from mop4pom wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

the adverage age that kids start having sex now is 12! . . . . Maybe some of you need to work on parenting. You don't complain to the car magazine about the pictures there, yet I bet you drive. You don't complain about the ED ads and you don't volunteer to have you/your wife's picture here instead, so can you just leave poor guy whose job it is to write these articles alone? please. Lets all get along and leave the complaints to PETA.

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from IowaGuy wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Some valid points, Field and Stream is about hunting and fishing. We hunters are becoming a smaller group every year and we need to be doing what we can to welcome and bring in more people to our sport rather.

I want to read reviews about new rifles, pan fishing tips and how to better train my black lab. There are other magazines, or a simple google search, that will give me all the other pictures I want.

I find myself reading Fur, Fish and Game more and more.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

My aching ache! Political correctness running amok, as usual. I could agree with Ms. Hyser's somewhat skewed analysis if any of the Booth Babes were in fact "hoochie mamas," or if any of their dress or cleavage was in poor taste. Nope, can't find any of that. Just good lookin', wholesome gals I wished lived next door. Nor will her "salacious remarks" comment cut any ice. All comments have to go by the moderator, and I have not seen any salacious comments. Lighten up a bit , Ms. Heyser. The Booth Babes are not going to offend or corrupt any of our young sportswomen, unless oversensitive feminists plant a seed in their minds and harp on the idea until it grows.

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from huntnow wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

great argument, i'm going to my mechanic to ask him to take his pinups and hot rods calender down right now. i'm sure he'll be sold too.

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from IowaGuy wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I kind of find it funny, in a sad sort of way, middle age guys getting worked up about pictures of gorgeous 20 year old's holding onto guns. Reminds me of the commercial with the geeky guy searching for "chicks and swords" on the internet. Some guys never seem to grow past sitting in their parents basement with a copy of a magazine their dad had hidden in his workshop.....

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Having just returned from Ms. Heyser's blog, I have to say that I am much more offended for my 13 year old granddaughter's sake by some of Ms. Hyster's references to female anatomy and innuendo than by anything in the Booth Babe pictorial. Check out the link, I think you will see the double standard in how she writes and what she professes to protest.

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from caseyam wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I'll accept her entire argument if she doesn't allow her 12 year old to listen to pop music such as Taylor Swift or Mylie Cyrus, only allows said child to watch the Disney Channel. If those guidelines aren't followed theh her points are mute. There is far more sex and smut on tv from 5-10pm than there was in the Best of Shots photos.

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Well, I don't get "worked up" about them, but, if you want a look at the new rifle/pistol/shotgun, they're easier on the eyes than a bearded dude with a large belly.

Ever take a look in any of those romance novels a lot of wives read? They have gotten to be just barely disguised "adult reading".

This kind of stuff is everywhere. I don't get upset by either side of it.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Lots more women in sports, and there's still the annual Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, which is much more revealing and sexist. Many more young ladies looking at that. And what is going on in Cosmo and Teen magazines? And music, Hollywood, and fashion?

Actually, what does go through a 12-year old girl's mind when she sees booth babes or swimsuit models? From what I recall they just laugh about the big boobs or say, "That one's pretty," or repeat what their moms said, "Men!" Some deep scarring or feelings of inadequacy taking root? Perhaps an opportunity to talk to them. I can only truly account for the thoughts of 12-year old boys - definitely want to talk with them.

It took a bit of time to get used to European openness - for example, bare boobs in advertisements and as PC wallpapers on company computers (both men and women's PCs). And in Asia .... We are much more Puritan in the U.S.

It is the vocal that usually drives change. Just ask Jim Zumbo. The silent just sit back and watch it happen. Bottom line - to me the booth babes are innocuous, they remind me and make me laugh about our (men's) gullibility, and I look forward to seeing them every year.

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from blackdawgz wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Women are naturally jealous and extremely competitive. So we expect this kind of comment. If you "accept" it, then no comment is necessary. Who cares, anyway? People who want porn will go to the porn websites. Everybody else is going to look at what they want, and it will not likely be the Shot Show models. But I am an old Marketing Major. We were taught that, even if something offends the heck out of somebody, that eventually wears off, and that person will unknowingly and unwittingly purchase the associated product, just because they remember it. This is Marketing. Protect yourself at all times! This is a great website, run by intelligent folks.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Let's see a photo of the author. That could explain a few things. Just a thought.....

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from Sharkfin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

In the words of my 13 year old daughter, "WHATEVER!!". I couldn't care less if the booth babes show up on F&S or not. I don't sit around making "salacious remarks" no matter whose around. I don't mind if you are a woman and find them offensive. What I do care about is the BS political correctness of having to tell someone that something offends you and expecting them to 1)care and 2)do something about it. It's not like the title of the article is misleading or the first picture, or any of them for that matter, are over the top. Ride down the interstate and check out some of the billboards. No chance to avoid that. My 13 year old daughter sees more in your face inappropriate attire and behavior every summer at our neighborhood pool, between the moms that want to be wanted and the 16 year old girls that look like they are 25 all wearing way to skimpy swimsuits. Swimsuits that she will never wear while she lives in my house because my wife and I will not allow it!! I'm honestly not sure how some of my buddies in the neighborhood get any sleep for worrying about what the 16 year old boys are doing with their daughters let alone some of the comments I've heard from the 40 year old guys about their daughters and wives. You want to talk about objectifying women? Who do you think the Victoria Secret catalogs and runway shows are really for? Really? Why do you think they even exist? My wife will be the first to say, she's has never, ever bought sexy lingerie for herself and I told her to stop buying it for me. I never liked having to unwrap Christmas and birthday presents anyway!! Maybe F&S will stop doing the booth babe segment, maybe not. If they pull it I hope they do it because they want to, not because someone was offended. Yeah, right! WHATEVER!!

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter-
Follow the link to her blog, click on her picture, enlarge it if you dare, ALL IS EXPLAINED!!

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from MLH wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

crm3006 - that is stepping low. Gotta admire a woman who posts a picture of herself in camo facepaint after a duck hunt. I know guys that are too vain to do that.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

MLH-
I'm not that low, or shallow. I was looking past the face paint.

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from jamesti wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

i see 12 year old girls walking down the street every day that are wearing a lot less than the booth babes. before you start in on this site about the booth babes, start at home and teach your daughters to dress like a 12 year old and not a prostitute!

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from straightshooter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The author makes some valid points.

Maybe I'm getting older but, personally, pictures of a young gal in skimpy clothes isn't that big a deal any more. Now, a picture of an attractive, intelligent woman who obviously knows how to shoot the gun she is holding is another thing.

Shoot, I might even be willing to vote for her for president.

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from Sidewinder wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Ms. Heyser, respectfully, you are wrong, ma'am. We men (pigs?) who appreciate the beauty of the Booth Babes are not necessarily knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers who make crude remarks at every attractive woman we see. If you are married or have a significant other in your life then please know that physical attraction played a large role in your meeting. Certainly other things came into play, such as sense of humor, intelligence, et cetera but at the end of the day there was a feeling of physical attraction.

I hunt and fish and shoot with my 12YO daughter; she is my favorite outdoors partner by far. I have taught her to shoot, hunt, fish, tie flies, and even how to tie the dreaded wind knot. BTW, she really enjoys the wind knot, saying "Cool, Daddy, do that one again!" For some reason I think she likes the scowl on my face as I address the aforementioned wind knot.

The other woman in my life looks nothing like a Booth Babe, yet I love her no less. She goes into the back woods with me, shares the experiences, and never looks back with anything but fondness on our time there. She is a strong wonderful and beautiful woman who feels no threat from a woman in a magazine, this one or any other. Neither she nor my daughter feels any threat from a Booth Babe. If you want to level the playing field, then add some "beef cake" to the SHOT show and be quiet. I would look upon such young men and say "Dang, I wish I looked like that now. Dang, I wish I looked like that 20 years ago!"

Ultimately, Ms. Heyser, thank you for your input. It has given me things to think about, and I realize that I have nothing to fear for myself or for my daughter from the appearance of Booth Babes in F&S. We are both stronger than that. I will look for other places for guiding my beautiful daughter through life than someone who teaches a traditionally liberal profession (journalism) in a very liberal state (California).

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Sidewinder-
Well said, Sir. +1

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from ATH1971 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Are you guys serious? She says upfront that she is not offended by the photos. She is not blasting Field and Stream for being part of some kind of wicked moral decay in popular culture. She is not crusading for a perfectly PC world. She is not blaming Field and Stream for exposing kids to these images.

The point she is making is quite simple. Would you want your 8-12 year old daughter sitting there and listening while you and your friends enthusiastically voice your appreciation for the fine figure of a scantily clad stripper?* That is, in effect, the way one would classify what is going on here.

*(I've got nothing against strippers, but don't fool yourself into thinking these are wholesome girls-next-door...in Vegas? [granted I'm sure there are some babes who are actually employed in the industry])

I don't know how a young girl feels when she reads the comments and innuendo relating to these photos. I do think there is a good chance that it might be a little off-putting, or make the community here seem a little more unrelatable to a young girl trying to join the ranks of sportsmen.

I don't feel strongly one way or the other: the booth babes really don't get me revved up, and I don't really know what kind of an effect it has on the younger female readership.

I don't have a dog in this fight; I am just disturbed sometimes by comments that betray a fundamental lack of comprehension by the poster. I apologize for the lengthy post.

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from henslecd wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

If F&S did a "Booth Dudes" gallery from the SHOT Show, I just wouldn't read it. It surely wouldn't make me stop hunting.

That said, just go to the author's blog, where she talks about the female anatomy as if she was a 13 year old boy.

I don't even know if she looked at the "Booth Babe" gallery, because I didn't think any of them really looked as she sensationalizes in her blog.

In the end, I seriously doubt any girl is going to become anorexic and get a breast enhancement because they saw a gallery of normal looking girls on fieldandstream.com.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

crm3006

I rest my case.

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from Bellringer wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The Booth Babes are a legitimate marketing tool, I suppose the Mercury car commercials turn women customers away too.

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from Sharkfin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

ATH1971, are you serious? She DID NOT say she was not offended by the photos. She didn't say she was offended either but she sure did write a lot about why she "had a real problem with F&S posting its 2010 SHOT Show Booth Babe Roundup on this website Wednesday". She starts off saying she's not a prude because she watched "Manswers" then talks about how she doesn't like the booth babes segment. We've all heard this kind of double talk before. For example, who's heard someone say, "I'm not a racist, I've got friends that are black, but..."? Hey, I'm not fat, I'm big boned!!

Your's Truly
BIG FAT SHARKFIN

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from deanlikes2fish wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Hey, im a Dad, i have 2 girls and a boy. The big issue is not censorship to me. the big deal is me doing my job as a parent, no i know that i am not going to block everything that is out there, but i can try to watch my kids and help guide them along. Booth Babes or not, there is still stuff on all websites i will try to keep away from my kids. So kiss my grits and be a parent.

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from jbird wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Holly, I'm glad your a hunter, and thank you for making good, sound arguments for hunters on your site. Having said that, you obviously are not a parent of a 12 year old girl. I am, and trust me, she sees worse walking down the hallway at her school than in the "booth babes" pics. Sex is everywhere, on tv, movies, magazines, newspapers, billboards, you name it. The best thing an ACTUAL parent of a 12 year old girl can do is be proactive. She's already had the "talk", unfortunately because so many of her friends were "talking" about it. We teach our kids about "good values" and "self respect", so they aren't "taught" what they should look like or dress like by pictures on a hunting and fishing web site. If you had a 12 year old daughter, I think you'd realize that they're ALOT more privy to matters of the flesh than you were at 12. If a 12 year old is "damaged" by the images and comments on this site, it is a direct result of piss-poor parenting, not F&S's recklessness and insensitivity. I think that being a hunter in California, you'd have enough to argue about besides F&S's corruption of your 'rose tinted glasses' view of a 12 yr. old's innocence. Lighten up, sex sells, whether it's woman's magazines, cars, guns, chewing gum,web sites or boner pills. Heck, a 12 year old knows that!

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from Koldkut wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Valid points.......

But to me it has the vibe that women shouldn't be behind a booth unless they are covered up like amish women. They can't all be ugly. BTW,I would not call all the girls in the booth babes gallery babes.....

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from jcarlin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I for one think this post should have had pictures.

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from ATH1971 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Her argument has nothing to do with whether or not the images are offensive to her. The argument, as it is written, objects to using them as the headline feature of a hunting and fishing website because they may alienate an important segment of the readership and a growing part of our community.

If you think she has fooled me with some kind of double-talk, you are wrong. I don't care if people disagree with her, just disagree with what is actually written and not with what you are projecting onto her words.

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from Hil wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

No one is saying a 12-year-old girl is going to have her innocence stolen by viewing the Booth Babes article. The point being made is that just maybe, a young huntress will see this and wonder if she's only welcome into the hunting world if she looks like those women. We women who are grown and confident in our skills, looks and abilities think "that's silly, I'm a great parent, my daughter is smart; she knows she is welcome in the woods with me anytime and these women aren't a real representation of what hunting is like." But 12-year-old girls don't think like that. Most don't have the maturity and confidence to realize that no one really expects them to look like these women. Unless you've been a 12-year-old girl at some point, you truly can't understand the way that developing mind works.

I see Holly's point here that if young girls are the ONE segment of the hunting industry that's actually growing, we might want to be careful about inviting them in rather than making them uncomfortable about joining us.

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from JordanG wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

God I love the Internet. crm3006: Maybe someday your itty-bitty marbles will reach their final destination and you will post under your real name. While usually I don't indulge the misspelled musings of those with a room-temperature IQs, you are so..."special" I decided to make an exception. Feel honored.

I figure you are the type of hunter who takes a dozen shots to drop a buck grazing 20 feet and snags fish in the side with hooks. I'm also betting you are moving your lips as you read this.

crm3006, deanlikes2fish jbird, sharkfin, henslecd: Stop being pansies and post with your real name.

Sidewinder: California may lean left as a whole, but there are enclaves of the state that can give places in the Deep South a run for their money when it comes to Bible-thumping conservatism. Of course, you would know that if you weren't so busy fondling yourself while watching Glenn Beck.

Flame on losers.

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from jbird wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! FIELD & STREAM should concentrate ALL it's future articles and coverage w/ the single goal being to attract more 12 YEAR OLD GIRLS! Cuz that's what sells magazines. All of the pics on this site, and all the blogs/reviews/stories should be presented for the 12 year old girls. I'm sure the web traffic and magazine subscriptions will just SKYROCKET! But its OK, even when readership plummets, and the website is shut down, we'll have the satisfaction of knowing we sacrificed it all for those 12 year olds! What a crock of sh**!

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from Sharkfin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Uh, that is exactly what I did. I used her own words in both of my posts. The first one she was trying to offend men with "salacious remarks". The second was "had a real problem with F&S posting its 2010 SHOT Show Booth Babe Roundup on this website Wednesday" to provide proof that she found the segment offensive, when you said "She says upfront that she is not offended by the photos". She did not say that at all. If fact every word she writes is to explain why she finds it offensive. Are you paying attention at all?

of⋅fen⋅sive  
–adjective 1. causing resentful displeasure; highly irritating, angering, or annoying: offensive television commercials.
2. unpleasant or disagreeable to the sense: an offensive odor.
3. repugnant to the moral sense, good taste, or the like; insulting: an offensive remark; an offensive joke.

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from WTXWildlifer wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

We can all argue the in's and out's of this issue till were blue in the face. But the fact is Field & Stream is a company just like the ones who are promoting thier products with these booth babes. Does having the booth babe roundup encourage visitor to thier website? Yes! So Field & Stream is making a business decision to boost sales with booth babes. Does everyone not notice the ads in the back of each issue selling male "enhancement" pills or the better sex videos? They are no different than the booth babes. This goes to show that for Field & Stream, morals are out the window when it comes to attracting visitors to their site.

I am embarrased at the fact that I can't even visit Field & Stream's website or read thier magazine without being exposed to some form of sexual advertising. Every form of media is using this type of advertising, however I would prefer to not see it in Field & Stream.

If you want to look at girls in skimpy clothes visit another site or read other magazines.

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from Sidewinder wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

From Ms. Heyser's blog:
"Well, good lord, some of the commenters were talking about what they were doing in front of the computer screens as they looked at those photos, if you get my drift, and F&S just let those comments sit there." For citation:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5478505267875308908&postID=4172...

And I am appalled by Chad Love's blatant ass-kissing of this woman by way of his self-serving citation of his previous entry from F&S Field Notes that he claims as a "vox clamantis in deserto" post earlier in the same blog. Chad may indeed see himself as a "voice crying in the wildnerness" but I do not see it so. He is as free to state his feelings on the matter as I am to cancel my subscription from his magazine. I am sure he will feel it to be a badge of honour.

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from IowaGuy wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

When it comes down to it, I just think about what type of image do we project with our sport? I sure hope my girls want to follow me into the duck blind and tree stand when they get older and hope they can feel confident about who they are and support and enjoy outdoor publications like Field and Stream without field and stream turning into field and cheesecake.

Our numbers are shrinking, the anti's want to paint us as knuckle draggers, lets support the best images we can. There are other magazines out there for the sizzle, I just want to know about how to get the deer steak.

We all are wearing long underwear and camo coats in a Nov. duckblind, and we need to promote the idea that woman are welcome to join us in camo coats, not camo bikini's.

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from silsbyj wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

HOLY FREAKIN CRAP!!!! This is getting a bit ridiculous. If you dont like the pictures then dont click on them and browse through! Jesus, it sounds like a bunch of 2nd grade tattle tales whining because someone didnt do something they liked or thought was appropriate. Get over it people. To me this equals PETA bitching because we choose to hunt....ya know what....worry about what you do a little more and less about what others are doing. Im done.

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from stumpthumper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Come on, guys, be honest. Read the comments under the booth babes gallery and honestly tell me you'd want your 12-year-old daughter who is trying to learn how to hunt to read those. I think the writer here makes some dang fine points.

And to you a-holes who made snickering comments about seeing the writers photo and "rest my case," you are the kind of ignorant fools that scare women out of these sports. And if you're going to go there, why don't you show us all your photo? I'm sure you guys are great looking and built like pro atheletes, right? Please....

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from jbird wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

So you're REAL name is jordang? Really? So when someone walks up to you they say "Hey JordanG". Is that supposed to be like "Ali G"? Here's another common perception of people from California; they think they're smarter than everyone else. And you're arrogant ass remarks don't do alot to dispute that. Maybe as you grow a little older, and your testicles drop, you can come to Liberty, Missouri and ask for the "pansie" Jay J. (I've been called jbird since birth jordang). I'm sure it will be a very EDUCATIONAL experience, even for an intellectual such as yourself. How exactly do you pronounce jordanG? Is it jor-DANG?

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from jbird wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Question, why would a 12 year old girl wanting to learn about hunting abd fishing be reading the comments on the booth babe pics? Seems like there's oh, say 1,000 other places on this website to get good info on the "in's and out's" of hunting and fishing than in the 'comments' section of the booth babe pics.

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from Sidewinder wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

JordanG: While it may be true that there are conservative "enclaves" in California, when taken and judged on balance the state (as you have admitted) is leftist. As for "fondling myself while listening to Glenn Beck" I don't listen to the guy. I can't stand him. Of course, you're unlikely to let a fact get in the way of a rant.

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from Sharkfin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Jordang, you mental midget, you tried to come across as more intelligent than the rest of us knuckle draggers but your base stupidity took over and you could not resist throwing insults. Throwing them like a girl at that. So you want to know who I am? I tell you what, you tell me exactly where to find you and I'll tell you where to find me.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

JordanG-
Internet trolls such as yourself is the reason I use a handle, and you sound suspiciously like another troll who haunts this site, known as yo yo. I don't know what it is like to shoot at a buck at 20 feet, obviously you have experience. As to my "misspelled musings", at least my thoughts are my own, and submitted to a public forum whether for praise or criticism. I suppose JordanG is listed in the phone book, and is your actual name. Sorry about moving my lips when I read, I never had the advantages of a liberal, California type education.

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from silsbyj wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

So..Whats everyone doing this weekend?

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from JordanG wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Awww, jbird...Did I hit a nerve? Way to rewrite what I said and turn it as a swipe against me. It must be tough being so witty and clever.
I would come to Missouri, but I enjoy not peeling my sack from my leg every three seconds.
I never claimed to be an intellectual, but thank you for validating my existence.
And whatever you'd like to refer to me as is fine by me, just learn to spell (pansie, you're, alot).

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Aw come on jordang, you didn't tell me what I misspelled.
Since I'm such a special case, and all. Hurt my feelings.

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from itzkat wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I have to say that I find it refresing that there are people here who will at listen to the author's aurgments and consider it from her point of view even if they don't agree. Of course there are plenty of the usual group who appear to be unable to offer any other opinion other than to insult the author.

As a woman that hunts, I have certainly had to put up with a lot of this type of stuff. It always strikes me as funny when the men say they want more female hunters but get their hackles up when we point out that posting pictures of hot girls in camo bikinis is not the way to encourage it. You just can't have it both ways guys. Either we will be welcomed to a site where we will feel comfortable or we will stay away from the things that we find objectionable.

And try to remember, guys it isn't just here at the F&S that we this happens. It is at almost all the outdoor forums as well. Watch the hunting shows on TV. Hard to find an average looking girl, but there are plenty of average looking and even overwieght men represented.

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from JordanG wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

crm3006, just Heyer's name a few ways. But I left out a word in my tirade against you...No one is perfect.

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from JordanG wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Excuse me...Heyser's name. What's that about glass houses?

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

jordang-
Hard name to spell, ain't it. Alas, only the jordangs of this world are perfect......

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from Sherry Kerr wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I frankly didn't even think of the 12-year-old girl's perspective when I saw F&S's booth babe coverage; I just thought of myself. What you said to me was that you don't want my business. The industry claims it wants more women and girls to hunt and shoot, and then they remind us they don't really mean it when they fill SHOT Show booths with babes. What it says to me is that they're after men's business, not mine. As a female hunter who also works in the industry and goes to the SHOT Show, I walk right by those booths. Every one of them has a competitor, and that's where I spend my money and goodwill. Same goes for Field & Stream; when you publicize booth babes, you're telling me I'm not your market. If that's what you were going for, you made your point. I never expected anything different of Petzal (whom I like, incidentally), but Anthony, I expected better of you.

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from JordanG wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I blame my typos on typing one handed. Must be because I'm looking at the plastic, oily faces of the Booth Babes and their lopsided cans.

I going to need a warm, washcloth and a breakfast burrito.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

You go girl! I say equal time for equal crime, Where is the Booth Beef! Gonna go all soft porn with the nubile women and all howsabout some nice boymeat to oogle...After all the Hunt is the Hunt and there are Cougar in the woods!

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from Hunter Savage wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

i find it funny your whining about the booth babes here in public domain ,when you can see much more on the beach in the summer in PUBLIC. now i say if you want to carry the torch for some thing how about picking it up for all the. ( E N H A N C E M E N T ) adds in the back of this darn magazine or should i just tear the pages out so the kids dont see them ?

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from Hobob wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I like looking at beautiful women and the booth babes are beautiful. keep it up every year if you don't like it read another article. Its harmless fun and your reading way too much into it.

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from Fieldand Stream wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

This is Anthony Licata, the editor-in-chief of Field & Stream. We started booth babes a few years ago just to let readers in on laugh that we all have at SHOT show. Over the years it's become pretty popular. No surprise there since 95% of our readers are men.

But a good editor has responsibilities beyond giving readers what they want. Here at F&S, we've got to consider how we can promote and grow the great sports of hunting and fishing. I'm not saying Booth Babes is preventing us from bringing new people into the sport, but I will say that we've got to welcome more women into these traditions if we want them to thrive. I'll also say that I've been in hunting camps where women just another member of the gang, and I've been in ones were women sportsmen were patronized and made to feel uncomfortable. I know where I'd rather hang out.

That's why I asked Holly Heyser to write a version of that smart take I saw on her blog. I'm glad she's got people talking. We love discussion on this site.

But I would like to remind everyone that no matter who you disagree with, let's try to keep the conversation civil. First of all, Holly is a guest here, and being rude to your guests is just poor form and makes us all look bad. Second, smart discussion is always better than personal insults. And I know this whole discussion started on looks but do we really want to go there? Speaking on behalf of F&S editors and bloggers, we're one rough looking bunch, and I certainly wouldn't want anyone judging our team on that!
Anthony

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from Mark Orlicky wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I think Holly has a great point. By the way, Anthony, if you're sincere with that piece you just added, why don't you pay Holly to come back and resume her "Huntress" column? I miss it! Her column was a breath of fresh air, a different perspective that needs to be seen and heard!

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I personally could care less if field and stream runs the booth babes or not, I can see how some women could get offended and some might just get excited. I think the editors sometimes forget there are quite a few women that read this magazine. That was pretty clear when they cancled the huntress blog. I also wonder what your 12 year old daughter is doing on the internet without parental guidance in the first place. As far as my post on the blog goes I stick by it--The Kalishnakov is very very sexy. I do mean the gun.

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from thehunterswife wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Are we forgetting these girls at the booths are probably no older than 25? I guarantee in 10 years 80% of them will regret dressing "the part" for SHOT. It's sad to see some teenagers and young adults feel sex or being sexy needs to play a roll in ALL they do. It seems they've come to accept it as the "norm". Twenty years ago I was asked to model at a car show, my response "My Dad would kill me".

What I find to be disgusting are some of the comments being made. And the majority of you heavy breathers are old enough to be their fathers.

Finally, interesting comment made by the editor; "We always get a good chuckle out of this practice when we’re at the show". It seems even F&S believes it's not the time and place for it with their chuckles.

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from hengst wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

CRM and WA Mtn. Check out the blog ..you are famous guys now...Ya'll kill me :)

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from timmy2bears wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

CRM and WA Mtn, you got to be kidding me. Really? That's how you're going to respond to this woman's thoughtful post? Ok, why don't you show us your pictures, you mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging jackholes. I bet you're not so much to look at. Better yet, why don't you post pictures of the fat pigs you're probably married to, unless, of course, the closest you two ever get to T-and-A is the annual booth babes gallery.

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from itzkat wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Anthony, thank you for stepping in and reminding the readers to stick to the dicussion and that personal attacks have no place here. But honestly, if your words are true, and you want to bring in more female hunters then give Holly a full time gig. She is a great writer, a fine huntress. I have been following her blog for some time and I would love to see her work in the mainstream hunting media.

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from Steve Marlin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Man - this is way to close to the type of discussion that risks pulling the curtain down between my escape into my passion for the outdoors and real life politically correct B.S. that drives me there.

Who wants to talk about their favorite targets to shoot?

I like the paper target with sticky peel off tape on the back - anyone like that?

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from Judd McCullum wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The boner ads in the back of the magazine still tick me off. I know it's advert money, but come on. Not a great way to hold a new demographic.

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from Judd McCullum wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The boner ads in the back of the magazine still tick me off. I know it's advert money, but come on. Not a great way to hold a new demographic.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Holly A. Heyser does have a valid point.

The problem I see, there is nobody their who can be asked a technical question of the equipment being offered by the Manufacturers.

Yep" I remember those nights driving coast to coast in a 18 wheeler and listening to the crap on channel 19 about Women and after a couple of minutes I would say one thing and they would shut there mouth. MY WOMAN IS AT HOME! And I don't get off at looking at someones Daughter either!

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from dahlstrommt wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

You have a very good point this is a website that is used for imfromation bout huntin not bout pretty women with guns.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I remember a story about General George Washington on the Battle field when he stepped into the tent were His Officers having dinner. As he seated Himself with His Officers, vulgar language flew like flies on a road kill. He quietly stood up and said, “Excuse me, I thought I was in the presence of Gentlemen!” and He walked out!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

And I still take issue what was said about Sir David Petzal's Daughter!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Tried to post a comment over on that other site but it wouldn't let me and good thing it didn't.

After reading timmy2bears and a few others, I was under the impression I would be in the presence of Ladies and Gentlemen, sadly I was mistaken!

Slow to anger is a good virtue!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Well, I did leave a comment over there, they may not like it, but I did!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

here we go again, Bella is in the gutter again! I was expecting something more intellectual

Glad Alex (age 10) isn't here, he like to read F&S

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

timmy2bears

You and your kind really crack me up! I could give a rip about booth babes. In fact, I had rather talk to some fat bald guy that knows his product than some over made-up model wannabe. LOL

As for the insults: So what? You are big and brave and Johnny Badass behind the cover of your computer! I'll bet the next round you would not hurl that insult in person. No threat, just fact, Jack.

As for my post: I stand by my insinuated opinion that in most cases, the less attractive the woman, the more complaints about eye candy. And I could really give a rat's posterior what you or any other weasel on this or Norcal Cazadora's blog thinks or writes! LMAO

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Licata

You're just mongering for readership. it's not very becoming.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Oh Yeah,

Madame Heyser is such the lady as she starts her Blog page with "...when I saw Anthony Licata's name in my inbox, I almost pissed myself".

Wow! What a journalist ! I'm not sure you should entrust your 12 year-old daughters to the likes of her either. All you pantywaist social nerds can kiss my grits! You make me laugh!

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from bennyfreeze wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Think about how you all look down on Middle Eastern cultures, how oppressive those Persian societies are to women. Are we so different? You might say, "It's the woman's choice to appear in this advertisement or booth". Is it, really? A culture ingrains certain activities and habits. This is self perpetuating. Men create the demand for this, and they supply that demand. I'm currently in Iraq, and men in America have no idea how similar they act to men in the middle east.

F&S, knock off the BS. 30 years ago, you were a better magazine. I read the old magazines, you have gone downhill. You really think that 30 years from now someone will try and buy one of your current magazines as an antique? Realize that much of the information traded on your website today doesn't come from your authors. The website simply facilitates the flow of information from hunter to hunter.

While I read F&S, I love Fur Fish and Game. Never have they failed to produce quality articles about the sports I love without offending a demographic, save for the PETA folks and whatnot. Also, they have less advertisements.

Get off your high horses and realize that your daughter might one day be in a girls gone wild video.

WA Mtnhunter...you're ugly as sin. Inside and out. That's coming from a straight dude. Not all the big game hunting in the world should make you feel like a man. You've lost touch with what it means to be an outdoorsman and an American. Much of America has, actually.

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from Jerry A. wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Wow. My only comment to this whole issue is some people are getting way too worked up about a petty issue. People on both sides. I would expect name calling from children, but not from adults.

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from cindypiep wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

OK I wasnt going to post, but now I am..each of us as parents has an obligation to instill good values in our children. They will spend a lifetime witnessing good and bad. I agree with iowaguy..lets just leave the booth babes to those who want to look at them and concentrate on our next hunting trips...this is all not a big deal unless we make it one..

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from timmy2bears wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

OK, so re-reading my comments, I do see they were a little harsh. I apologize. But it just ticks me off that this woman was brave enough to come on here (after she was asked to) and thoughtfully argue an unpopular opinion, and the best some people could do was insult her personally. It's just flat mean, and it makes our whole crowd look stupid.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

One of my favorite things to do at SHOT (I didn't attend this year) was go up to these booths where said ladies were and ask a semi-technical question. This immediately separates the Jesse Abbates'(I'm a big fan - she can really shoot) in the world from the Jay Sin's(obvious stage name). I LOVE looking at beautiful women. But I have to say I am ever even more impressed with ones that are the real deal. If said Jay Sin is 'working' where she is at her true (my understanding after doing a google search is that she's a XXX porn queen with something of a following....)place of (ahem) expertise and choosing, it would be far away from a manufacturer of firearms. She's not there because she loves firearms - she's there for the $$$. So it's on her, that manufacturer who hired her, and then in turn whoever publicizes the whole thing.

I understand that sex sells. And let's keep the debate honest - it sells to both men and women. All I am saying is lets have truth in advertising here. If Jay Sin shoots IPSC or sporting clays I applaud her for being there. If not, give us a woman that is honest in what she does. I doubt Jay Sin is an authority on AK47's. However, she probably has seen a gun or two in her time though.

Most things in the media wind up being a 'lowest common denominator' item, whether it's sex, or politics, or whatever. The people selling are going for what is the easiest to digest for those who are buying. It's easy for standards to be too high. It's harder to do the right thing. You be the judge of what's right for you.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Soo Clay, I'm in the gutter again? merely because I suggest turn about is fair play? I say human beings can be attractive in either gender, whether you are talking Michelangelo's David or Bottichelli's Venus. If you are gonna pay some empty headed but attractive young women to hang about the booth, why not offer the same oppertunity to some similarly ignorant (but pretty) Boys. Or drop it altogether and choose your sales people for what they know rather than how they look. 'Course they'll have to be coached not to freak out if they get cruised, 'cause gay men gots money to spend too, and often more than the average het dude (Dual Income No Kids, DINKs). After all it is all about capitalism, ain't it...
When a proposition is offered that isn't reciprocal, then the double standard becomes evident. People who benefit from double standards often approve of 'em, but that don't make it FAIR.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

timmy2bears

Apologize for the comment about our wives being fat pigs or I still owe you as ass kicking....

Say what you want about me, but leave my wife and my dog out of it, OK?

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Manners, the point is good manners make us gentlemen.
The lady has legitimate points worth consideration.
It is not about censorship it is about choices; do you want to be a gentleman or not?
At some point in my life it dawned on me that a worthy goal was to become a gentleman. I don’t know why; maybe just to be different - the term gentleman is so rarely used anymore; is that because there are so few gentlemen left?
The issue of good parenting has been brought up. Hmm… as a good parent / grandfather there are comments which would lead me to believe those fellows are untrustworthy and unsuitable to be allowed in the same room as my daughters and granddaughters unsupervised. (Just another free choice I choose to make.)
In this day and age one must also consider another motivation--
Males who wear makeup, earrings, necklaces or other traditionally female trinkets may feel the need to thump their chests and shout out their interest in females just to make sure everyone knows they have that interest. …While men who are obviously secure with their maleness feel no need to advertise it to the world.

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from Paul Wilke wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I see two choices;
1: no more booth babes.
2: some booth buddies.
Try either of those choices at the next show, and see what happens.
In the mean time shut up!

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Paul Wilke, GOOD Comment! We all need to lighten up in this.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Lets see how they react over in NOCAL ?

Moishe,

After reading both sides of the argument, I thing there is way too much emotion and little thinking in the comments. ONBOTH sides. Lighten up Folks
January 30, 2010 8:16 AM

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from JD wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

These women were dressed decently, no excessive "skin" at all. Ever gone to a big new car show? Now those young ladies wear things I'd never allow my daughter to wear.These booth workers at SHOT are dressed way more conservatively. In reality some fishing pictures show way more, girls in swimsuits.....OMG!

Hmmmm, I know that lots of teen girls that love sports, and as a matter of fact they read Sports Illustrated. Now wanna talk exploitation Ms. Heyser?

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from AustinMartin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Being a 14 y/o boy, all girls I know would look at the booth babes and laugh. I don't know a single one that would want to change her looks just because they saw some girl in a magazine. They see and hear a lot more in school and with friends, it is appalling what I hear on a daily basis at school. Theres worse at every teenage girl sleepover then on F&S.

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from Sb Wacker wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

As the chairman of the english chapter of the David E Petzal appreciation society, i feel it's down to me to ask..................

But what would Dave say?

'One of the articles of faith in the shooting industry is that the future of the gunpowder sports will be influenced by women; that for the first time, we’re going to see a real, meaningful influx of female hunters and shooters.

If you go to the SHOT Show, you now see as many women as men, but I don't know if they are they showing up in serious numbers at ranges and in hunting camps.

What do you see happening? If they aren’t coming into shooting and hunting, why not?

And if there are any women reading this blog, I’d appreciate it if you would step forward now and be counted.'

Yep he really did.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/pages/where-are-women

SBW

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from rj serpe wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

in what educated state/states are children allowed to hunt at the age of 6...7...10. Why is it that of the thousands of email readers of F+S, if a FEW do not like it, the rest should be ashamed of themselves, and not allowed to see such material in the future. I am quite sure that in no way was anyone held at gun point and forced to click on the title "booth babes". Anyone could simply ignore it, but perhaps then, on that day, at that moment in time, a few would have absolutely NOTHING to complain about...Let me help you. Spend time arguing about the govt, the lack of education in the country, jobless and homeless, etc. Leave the girls who ARE working to be able to decide what is ok and what is not. And, by the way, the publisher and editor of this magazine is doing a hell of a good job for all its readers.

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from shane wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

"But honestly, if your words are true, and you want to bring in more female hunters then give Holly a full time gig. She is a great writer, a fine huntress. I have been following her blog for some time and I would love to see her work in the mainstream hunting media."

Haha. Nice try.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Bella

As the saying goes

Two wrongs don't make it right!

Also' it's not the person who throws the first punch who gets into trouble, it's the one who trows the second gets all the attention!

Like said earlier, Bella I know your going to shift the subject, ignore the facts and as usual when both fail you go into name calling!

I'm not going to lower myself down to yours!

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from Bella wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Oh Clay, you do go on...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Wan t to have a good laugh, listen to my VHF & UHF Ham radio. The language at McDonald's between the Women folks on there headsets. After I pay for my order and roll up to the next window, I'll turn up the volume and repeat what they they said and watch them do a meltdown!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

O'Bella, there you go again!

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Lighten up folks, the Booth babes had more clothes on than I live in! people I have seen in public in the small burg I live in the only difference is THEY don't weigh between 250-300 lbs.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Sorry laptop skips I am always conservatively dressed except when hunting,fishing or swimming. 8^0

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from fitch270 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Ms. Heyser makes a valid point on this blog, but after checking out hers, I think she needs to come down off her high horse. Her language is far more vulgar than any of the photos she has issues with.
Besides, what responsible parent is going to let their 12 year old surf the web unsupervised?

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Well, folks, now that the dust is somewhat settled, and all of the hoopla, hyperbole and hype is somewhat abated, I would direct your attention to some of the quotes I lifted directly off of Ms. Holly A. Heyser's Blog. I'm sure that all of us here who have impressionable teen and pre-teen children and grandchildren want to have such a fine journalistic example as Ms. Heyser writing a column in F&S, as has been suggested by bloggers more than once, since this tempest in a teapot began. Other than the quotes of WA Mtnhunter, and myself, all remarks, and language used, is quoted directly from Ms. Heyser. No attempt has been made to put anything in context, these are just her own words, from her own blog. Mark me down if you wish, -1s do not affect me in the least, but I will stand by my position that it is always a less than attractive feminist who is the most likely to object to attractive women on display, and the first to cry exploitation. This is a new twist in the playbook, that the enjoyment of pictures of attractive ladies, is going to drive away all the young female participants to the shooting sports!
One last note, by way of explanation. If you read all the way to the bottom of the quotes, in the authoress' own words, we were set up. She linked to her own blog, after being provocative, to invite in a reader base that she knew would be sympathetic to her cause. Guess we stuck our own paw in the bear trap!

From NorCal Cazadora. Enjoy.

"Hell, there goes your chance of ever writing for Field & Stream!"

".....and saw the name "Anthony Licata" in my inbox, I must say I just about pissed myself. I know that name, I know that name... That's the editor of Field & Stream. The editor!"

The comments actually start off eerily supportive, but they quickly turn into pretty much what I expected.

WA Mtnhunter: Let's see a photo of the author. That could explain a few things. Just a thought.....

crm3006: WA Mtnhunter- Follow the link to her blog, click on her picture, enlarge it if you dare, ALL IS EXPLAINED!!

"I thoroughly enjoyed having chicks dressed as sluts for my role models. But now it just pisses me off."

"Barf. No, effing barf."

"Personally, I don't get my undies in a twist about it. I know men are biologically driven to open their wallets more easily in the presence of nice tits."

".....acceptable, leading to a whole lot of anorexia and - for those with money, anyway - boob jobs."

"What I'd really like to see is some indication that F&S gives a s**t that YOUNG GIRLS are their readers too. Is anyone out there?"

"....that it's worth pissing us off "

But why did I link? Simple: I hope my readers will leave comments on that "gallery." That way I know F&S will hear from us. And there will be something worth reading in the comments between the unintelligible digital pantings of the teenage boys.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Actually, I did not get the above, overlong compilation of bullsnot in on the first try. One of Ms. Heyser's quotes had to be edited for obscenity.
crm

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from JohnR wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I'm getting in here late (been away for a few days).
There were some good points made by quite a few posters above and I understand the point that Ms. Heyser is making however (and that's a big however) Ms. Heyser should chose her battles a little more carefully.
I don't look at the booth babe pics, and never have as I have never had an interest in them (yes I'm a straight male).
If one is going to complain about the booth babe pics, then it would logical and consistent to complain about other publications and blogs that do the same such as the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.
I just looked at the booth babe pics. Aside from possibly two females who may have been chosen because of their obviously large American breasts (remember the Czech bros. from SNL), the remaining pictures appeared to me to be average looking women, tastefully dressed. I cannot say that they were dressed as such for the whole show, but we are talking about the pictures of them that were posted on this blog.
Unfortunately I have seen 12 and 13 year old girls at the mall dressed (or undressed if you will) much more suggestive than most of the booth babe pics.
Don't get me wrong; I think it's kind of cheesy to use women as a means to attract possible buyers for a product. The product should be of a quality and price to stand on its own merits to attract buyers.
I would agree with Ms. Heyser had the booth babes been less tastefully attired. The attire of the booth babes I observed here (with the exception of one or two) however appeared no different than what I see women wearing on a regular basis.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I've been enjoying this from the sidelines as well. Much of the material has been beat to death but no one has mentioned this...

Woman love to be noticed.

Whether it's a booth babe, DU banquet hostess, swim suit model, or an attractive 45 year old woman (props to my wife) woman WANT to be noticed especially if they have a rockin body.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

There are two types that leave themselves open to jabs, insults, and ridicule: Politicians and journalists. Write your bull$h1t on here and standby for flame spray!

As a recovering newspaper writer (recovering from what we don't know) Ms. Heyser appears to be a foul mouthed, liberal journalist, who probably can't keep a job. What we do know is that there are a bunch of feminized and neutered steers on here that are probably running late for their salon tanning, botox treatment, or pedicure at this very moment spewing their guilt venom on the blog. I'll bet she voted for Pelosi and Obama, too.

Since I didn't initially insult any of you feminazi's, I don't expect your crap either. But since I placed myself in the position of "journalist" by posting on the blog, have at it you freaks.

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

LOT LIZARD ALERT!

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Doing building maintenance over the years the nastiest writings on the walls are in the womens restroom!

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter-
Chill out dude, and read the blog posts! You and I are famous!ROTFLMAO!

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter-
Don't know what it means, actually nothing to me, but our compiled +1s equal a combined total of 45. Negatives are too far down for my mathematically challenged brain to count. again, ROTFLMAO!!
crm

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

crm3006

I agree!

WMH

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from The White Slug wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The problem is that this company is too interested in titilation (believe me, the girls ARE hot) and cranky political diatribe (no matter how accurate). It cheapens the big picture.

JOB ONE is to perpetuate the sports we love. Sweet girls and comments about Hillary's prodigious rear end does NOT, as Mr. Steinbrenner would say "put fannies in the seats". Our wat of life is giving way to video games. The mission is not to placate the folks who already do what we do, but to so enthrall the youngsters and people in cubicles that they YEARN to experience the outdoors. Which is why the vilification of someone like Jim Zumbo, who has stirred the yearnings of many (and may have made a misguided statement), is not only patently un-American, but plain stupid. It is presiding over our own extinction. Great art, great stories, great information, just like the old days...guess I'm dreaming.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Oh . . . good . . . grief. I can't believe we are still taking about this. Maybe it's just because I live at the beach, but from some of the comments on young girls not feeling welcome in the sport because of booth babes, I thought I must have clicked on the wrong gallery. I seriously didn't see anyone other than the bug lady who would raise an eyebrow in most of the puritanical U.S., much less in a European country. If anything keeps young people, male and female, from taking up rod and gun sports, it's lack of access to places to hunt, shoot, and fish. And if women don't feel welcome in deer camps, duck camps, or on charter boats, it just may be because the men there want to relax and have a good time instead of worrying about offending anyone. I don't think you can ever whine your way to acceptance. I'm also sick of the culture of professional victimhood. And I do mean professional. I have my own blog, it is supported by ads, and traffic is money. Every click goes into the site metrics and adds to the marketability. All the visits to Ms. Heyser's site, just like visits to this site, increase its commercial value. If Field and Stream is thinking of adding to this site, what about bringing back the Huntress blog? I enjoyed it quite a lot.

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from crinoid wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I think the 12-year-old girl is a bit of a straw man argument. If you read Ms. Heyser's blog, there's consistent subtext about proving oneself and winning competitively in a traditionally man's sport. It seems the post would have been stronger had she argued what, to me, seems the crux of the issue -- which is the genuine challenge she and other women experience in a sometimes sexist and misogynistic realm.

I agree with other posters here about 12-year-old girls. I grew up overseas and am inured to the things which tend to shock other people. My kids don't even blink at nudity or representations of (tasteful) sexuality. Frankly, as an increasingly reluctant fisherman who doesn't hunt, I'd be more upset by my 15-year-old daughter, an animal lover, seeing some of the gruesome hunting images almost all hunting blogs tend post, including Ms. Heyser's blog.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

All this hoopla reminds me of those who go to Military Air Shows and complain about the Air Craft Nose art, especially the WWI and WWII Fighters and Bombers. Then there the Feminazi's who complained about the urinals in the Mens restroom and had the University remove them.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Have you noticed how teenage girls going to school are dressed, guess you will not be hearing them complaining about that.

Bottom line

Yes I would rather have some Lab Coat person at the show who knows the product

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

How does the disclaimer read?

Girl (batteries) not included!

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from morgon wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I don't think I ever disagreed with an editorial as much as Hollys (sans the gun control nuts). Perhaps F&S could add the:
"Good Editorial? Yes | No | Report"
at the bottom of these too. Nice to see the lesbians are also able to once in a while get out in the fields and streams hunting though.
Keep the chicks coming!

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from danahuntress wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

If you don't want to look at the "babes"--don't click. It's that simple.

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from JD wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Danahuntress,

great post, says it all...

As I mentioned many,many posts earlier, has anyone actuallly looked at these so called "babes"? Pretty,yes; but nothing overtly sexually revealing or provocative.

As I also said, look at the new car shows, they are much greater examples of "babes" in that context, with their skimpy dresses and "perfect" looks. And like I said, what about Sports Illustrated's swinwear issue (or only body paint), now that's exploitive.

My ideal woman is someone who looks great even in camo, makes me proud if she beats me in trap or in the field, and understands what a "rack" is, hanging on the wall next to her turkey fan mount by the fireplace as we curl up together warmed by the fire. Now she's my babe!!

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

As you said, lovely ladies are hired to promote the products at the SHOT show. All of these reports and photos are for those of us who cannot attend the show.
I appreciate the pics of $20,000 shotguns as well as the ladies. It is human nature to admire that which is unattainable.

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Say what you want, but the person from American Tactical booth would get their ass thrown off my range if she ever pulled that stance with me around.

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from Buzzbaiter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Unintended consequences:

Holly's exitement about her increased notoriety is expressed her in her own words on her blog. From this it is apparent that she enjoys the attention. What is not clear is what her expectations were when she decided to hate the story about Booth Babes and feel compelled to write a negative review which included a presumption that fathers lack the ability to use discretion when in the presence of their daughters. The terms she chose to use are well known and have been repeated enough. As a person in the academic and jouralistic profession one might wonder how she would grade her own work. Personalizing the title with 'I hate' would probably not be recommended although I admit to not having any formal training as a writer except for one technical writing class in tech school about 30 years ago. If the premise was to somehow protect preteens from exposure to what she considers an offensive story that would somehow dissuade them from hunting or fishing, I contend that she missed the mark.

My experiences with young people regardless of gender indicate that they will decide for themselves if outdoor sports is something they want to persue and continue with. My two adult daughters occasionally fish and target shoot but choose not to hunt. If they ever change their mind they know they are welcome to join me. I doubt this pictorial article will have much of an effect on any individuals determinations. On the other hand, thanks to her, many 12 year olds that read here have by now clicked on the Manswers link and discovered the virtues of eating beaver during Lent and have increased their knowledge of physics by learning about the distance that boobs travel when women jog a mile (.25 miles according to the 'scientific study')which she finds seriously funny. F&S as well as other publications need to promote their enterprize in order to continue their existence and will not stop employing the use of these kinds of stories that generate this much interest.

No doubt Holly will continue to promote her own self-interest as demonstrated by her blog. Perhaps she will choose her remarks more carefully in the future and consider the unintended consequences.

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from morgon wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

OK, I'll say what I want......Amflyer, it's nice to see the gay men can get outdoors too and hunt something besides each other. :-b

Is Bonnie Huseby too intimidating for you?

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from morgon wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

More saying what I want Amflyer. I think it's GREAT "you people" have your own range but one has to wonder what "you people" use for targets.8-)) For more DISGUSTING VIEWS of Bonnie Huseby, you can go here:

http://www.deangirl.com/contestentry/show/638

You see something retched, I see a future ex wife I'll have to give another house to.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

As Buckhunter said I've been watching this mud pie fight from the sidelines. I agree totally with his point that women love the attention, so do men. I also see that a failing of our society is the acceptance of foul mouth behavior on the streets and in the media, particularly blogs. Movies and TV are now full of it now. I can't go anywhere and not hear the "F" word thrown out as I used to hear "heck" and "darn". The commentary on this particular thread has brought out a gush of it pointed at each opposing view point.

Back to my initial point. Women do love attention and so do men. I've even seen my pastor begin to glow when a female shares a smile or a compliment with him. We are all human.

I don't have young children but I do work with youth groups and the over riding comments I hear from young females concerning such skimpy booth babe attire is disbelief, giggles and comments of toppling over from the after market add ons...

What does have an effect on young females in a hurry is the language being thrown at them right and left. Since they see so many potty mouth people using such, they quickly pick up on it.

My wife is an attractive and intelligent woman; she also works in the outdoor sports industry. I accompany her to trade shows and she and I have a wonderful time critiquing the "booth bait" as she refers to them, all the usual as you would expect, after market add ons, over done and under clad... We laugh and go on our way.

My wife has never once been threatened by the "babes". She has been intimidated and thoroughly peeved by the way many of the men in the booths treat her. "Hey Sugar", "Honey you need what I have,”Wolf Whistles, "Hay baby I'd like to do business with you..." The comments go on and on. She does an excellent job in defending herself and usually does not want me to say anything. She also won't do business with many of these buttheads. But, on occasion she will introduce me as her husband. 6'2" inches of disgruntled husband looking down his nose at the idiot of the moment usually provokes a quick apology and even additional discounts on occasion. This is the side of the shooting sports business that many folks don't know about.

Good discussion people, but let’s keep it civil!

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from Buzzbaiter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I've been reading some previous comments and just have to ask JohnR:

If you say:

"I DON'T LOOK at the booth babe pics, and NEVER HAVE as I have never had an interest in them"

Do you see any contradiction in almost immediately following with writing:

"I JUST LOOKED at the booth babe pics. Aside from possibly two females who may have been chosen because of their obviously large American breasts"

and

"The attire of the booth babes I OBSERVED HERE (with the exception of one or two) however appeared no different than what I see women wearing on a regular basis."

and

"the remaining pictures APPEARED TO ME"

Does there appear to be not only an interest but a very close observance and analysis of the details of female apparel that appears in the story about the Booth Babes and at the mall?

You were probably just peeking for research purposes and the quotes are take out of context, right?

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Morgon: really?

I'm not gay...but then I've never met you.

Of your three comments, you called me gay twice, and the OP a lesbian. Interesting.

I'm talking about standing there with her finger on the trigger. You know, safety and all that boring stuff.

Love ya!!

Amflyer

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

So what are we going to call this since "Desperate House Wife" the show already exists!

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Perhaps they can get Chip & Dales there next time

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from M1jhartman wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I think parents need to be more concerned with what they are doing in their children's lives than what goes on at Field and Stream or anywhere else for that matter. If your twelve year old daughter starts acting in a way that you don't like blame yourself, not Field and Stream. Just what this world needs is yet another Californian attempting to thrust their opinion upon the rest of us.

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from Jacee wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

It seems that if I make a comment about the SHOT Show Booth Babes I will be considered an ugly lesbian liberal feminazi. Really? No matter that this discussion comes up every year, and no matter that most folks here have very good points, regardless of which side you are on. Using sexy ladies to sell things to men is nothing new, and I don't expect that to change anytime soon. And as a mom, I know I have to be wary of what my child sees and is involved in. But it creates a problem - do I want this to represent hunting and fishing to the world? To her? Do I want my daughter to think that being thin and beautiful is the only way to live and to be accepted outdoors, to enjoy hunting and fishing? That men will only leer at her, make inappropriate comments, or call her a lesbian instead of seeing her as an equal in the field? I certainly hope not. But it is clear that she will face a socitey that sends mixed messages to her about her identity... luckily the outdoor spaces don't care.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Jacee-
Who would you rather your daughter was influenced by, some of the men posting here, or Holly A. Heyser?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Jacee I'm going to respond to you because you sound to be a stable person and knowing what reality is and above all the children exposed to.

I'm not a wordsmith but I'm going to give a shot. If you take a picture of one moment of time, that picture maybe condemning. If you had a video, you would get the entire story.

Have you watched the Outdoor or VS Channel? You will Women in camo and doing the same thing the Men are doing and most of the time if not more doing it better!

Bottom line

I belie this subject got out of hand and became a shouting contest. One thing I have learned is when one raises there voice, the conversation is over!

This month, Mary and I have known each other for ten years and in a couple of months will be our tenth Anniversary. We have been thru a lot of hardships and never have we taken our anger out on the other. With everyday, our relationship s that much stronger.

Any how, welcome Jacee to the other side and feel free to harass, heckle or just stop by and join in!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Clay Cooper

Your comment: "Have you watched the Outdoor or VS Channel? You will Women in camo and doing the same thing the Men are doing and most of the time if not more doing it better!"

Doing what better? You are being quite patronizing and it is not very becoming on you. I have never seen a woman do anything "better" on a hunting show, equal yes. Well maybe better, Tiffany does a great job putting her husband down on their show quite regularly and that's why I don't watch it anymore.

Over and out.

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from SD Bob wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Through her writing, Ms. Heyser gives the reason why Field and Stream publishes the booth babes and why they'll probably continue in the future: 91% of hunters are male. The magazine publishes content aimed at it's target audience and lets not kid ourselves into thinking it's lady hunters let alone 12 year old girls. If you don't like the booth babe's, it's very simple....don't look at them! There are far more lude and inappropriate visuals seconds away on the very computer we all are reading this on, that if a fully clothed booth babe is of grave concern, lock out Field and Stream's web site so the aforementioned young girls can't see the naked fish either.

Do you suppose that Sports Illustrated gets hammered every year by those who oppose the swim suit issue?

Lastly, with so many posts, I only read the first 20 or so, so if I stole someone's thunder? I must be remiss!

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from TerriLeePocernich wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Well where to begin. I am not someone who frequents this site or subscribes to this magazine. I only now have added a user name just to post this comment.

There is one very pointed reason why I don't. The way women are portrayed here and treated here. This link was sent to me or I never would have known about it.

Let me start by saying, it is not my website and I think the owners of this business and those readers that want to check out booth babes or fishing babes or whatever they want have that right. They can portray women hunters however they would like.

I have the choice to not come to this site and I don't. I have the choice to walk past those boothes at SHOT, and I do. Businesses that choose to send a message to me, that they think that women hunters are just sex objects will NOT get my business and they probably don't care.

I will probably never come back to this site again and that is my choice. I do however feel, there is a reason that the readers of this site are mostly men. A lot of women do not feel comfortable here, that is simply a fact.

I have hunted since I was 10 and have been dealing with this for some 30+ years. As someone in the industry I feel it gives women a bad taste and I for one am trying to encourage women.

Men (and some women) can tells us all they want to get over it, but it is and will continue to be an issue to a lot of women. Women don't want to see these pictures for various reasons. I agree they shouldn't look.

But just the fact that they are on the site will deter women from finding a lot of other great articles etc. that are to be found here.

Just because sexy sells and is all over websites, billboards, TV etc. doesn't mean that women want it thrown in their faces on any site, or magazine that is suppose to be about a sport they love too. (That includes Sports Illustrated etc.)

My favorite saying is evil prevails when good men (or women)do nothing. And while I am NOT saying this is evil, I am saying a lot of good customers do nothing or say nothing, and just walk away. This time I chose to say something and walk away.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

+1 atya, WA Mtnhunter.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Terri,
Don't judge this site and it's participants by this one thread. Hang around for awhile. We also talk a lot about guns, bows, fishing tackle...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter

Tell me Sir, how many young people have you taught to shoot?

I find the Women folks easier to teach, in fact one Teenage Student went on for tryouts for the Olympics.

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from TerriLeePocernich wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Buckhunter,
That's my point exactly I will miss a lot of other good stuff because I choose not to be on a site that showcases booth babes, fishing chicks in bikinis, shed hunters in scanty outfits etc.

I guess it really comes down to respect. I can't respect a site that doesn't respect that fact that women hunters/anglers are offended by the pics. They shouldn't have to justify why they are offended.

I do appreciate your effort though. I will just find another site.

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from Sb Wacker wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Interesting.

Does anyone else here still read the print edition?

I'm looking at page 8 of the Jan 2010 edition

In a piece about the way fishing is co-opted to sell products that are not fishing related a young woman holding a fishing rod wearing underwear and a silly hat is described as 'committing what's practically indecent exposure'

So it's 'practically indecent exposure' if Victoria's Secret print pictures of their products in use?

It would seem that a similar dress code is not considered to be indecent at a trade show or on the F&S website?

SBW

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

@ Mike Diehl

Thank you, sir. From you, that's quite the compliment (seriously, not tongue in cheek).

@Clay Cooper

Not that your question posed has anything at all to do with the subject or my response, but I will give my sincerest answer to:

"Tell me Sir, how many young people have you taught to shoot?"

Well Sir, I have taught hundreds, if not thousands, of young men who may have never picked up a rifle before the finer points of marksmanship with M-16's, M-2 Brownings, M-60 machineguns, M1911 .45 ACP, TOW Anti Tank Weapons, Dragon AT missiles, and many Communist bloc weapons to boot. I did not have the opportunity to teach young women (other than my wife) how to shoot since back in the day women were not allowed in combat units. I am confident, however, that America's young women can be taught to excel in marksmanship just as well as men. Yes, some gals may be easier to teach, but that is a very broad stereotype you fling out there.

Unfortunately, I have not kept track of all those guys, but perhaps one of them won a few shoots at Camp Perry. I like to think that they shot their way out of a jam in a firefight on some distant battlefield should that need have arisen.

Jacee, TerriLee, Bella and all the other outdoorswomen on here usually get all the respect that they deserve from 99% of the posters. Just don't be condescending and patronizing by saying that the gals on TV do it better than men. In fact, that is not a very high standard since most of those shows are canned anyway. And don't defend some creepo who writes a venomous blog, makes your slip show....

I'm surprised you didn't come out with your famous "Hold my trophy while I kiss your girlfriend" line... LOL

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WAM, this is where you and I differ, you think of winning while I think about enjoying. You know what it is like to show up to a shooting match and people starting packing their gear to leave including the Marine Team from Camp Pendleton. I’d rather pass knowing I would win and to assist and to loan my gear than to turn people away. You should take some lessons from my Grandson Alex age 10; He will tell you it’s not what you come home with, its how you enjoyed it! Nothing is worse than being out with an ego driven individual slamming doors, throwing gear around and cussing up a storm.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

"I am not someone who frequents this site or subscribes to this magazine."

Then it doesn't matter that much what you think of an article you wouldn't read or a photo gallery you wouldn't see, does it?

I have been offended before, and Lord willing I will be again, but I would not cross the street or otherwise go out of my way to do so.

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from TerriLeePocernich wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

TheArmchairOutfitter,
"I am not someone who frequents this site or subscribes to this magazine." What I should have added was...but I would like to.

I wasn't going out of my way to be offended or offend anyone else. I was here because I think it is an awesome site with quality articles, but I wanted to share why I don't come here.

I thought maybe some insight about how women really feel about such things, would help to grow the site not tear it down. But I guess "It doesn't matter that much what you think of an article you wouldn't read or a photo gallery you wouldn't see, does it?"

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from Bob81 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

CRM and WA Mtn,
C'mon guys. She isn't calling us all perverts, mysogynists, knuckle draggers or even saying that "booth babes" should be eliminated from trade shows. She isn't claiming girls are irreparably harmed from seeing a picture of a girl in a bikini or that we are sickos for looking at them and enjoying it. All she said is that if we are trying to attract more people into the hunting community including young girls, a bunch of (probably mostly middle-aged guys) sitting around the on-line forums and talking about how hot these women are isn't gonna help things.

I'm sure you will continue to argue that she is being overly pc and that these pictures don't matter to little girls. Interesting then that almost every women who has written in has agreed with her. Would you like to argue that you know how little girls minds work better than asomeone who used to be one?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Bob81

Don't lecture me, Jack. I'm not arguing for or against booth bait or PC. You will not find one shred of me even saying that. I could care less what Heyser thinks and don't need some liberal feminazi telling the rest of us what to think.

If I haven't figured out how my beautiful wife of 38 years' mind works, I stand no chance of figuring out how little girls' mind work. Maybe you do?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Hey WAM

You figure out how little girls' mind work, you will make millions $$$ LOL!

As for the "Liberal Feminazi's", don't get me started!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Reguired disclaimer: This opinion does not constitute legal advice. Please consult an attorney licensed to pratice in your jurisdiction. Wear sunscreen, protective eyewear, and hearing protection. Buckle your seatbelt. Call your mother.-The Armchair Outfitter

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from jbird wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

TerriLee,
If this site is overy-offensive to you, I can't imagine how you ever leave the house or turn on the television. I think F&S is the best outdoor hunting magazine, and the best website, with tons of great tips and reviews, and good stories to boot. If a few pics of girls drives you away from that, so be it. If your as good at hunting/fishing as you are at whining, you probablty don't need the info this site has to give anyways.

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from Bob81 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WAM,
You have no problem throwing around your opinion (which you have every right to do), I'll throw around mine. You lecture plenty of people on this site on a daily basis.

If you think this woman is a liberal femi-nazi, you haven't a clue what far-left liberalism or feminism is.

And no, I haven't a clue how little girl's minds work. And that is exactly why you won't find me arguing with Holly, or any other women, on how I know better. If we have a thread on how little boy's minds work, I'll consider myself an authority and argue accordingly.

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from TerriLeePocernich wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

jbird,

Like I said I am not bashing the site nor any of the people on the site. I am merely trying to show people, there are women that feel that is not what they want to see on the site or at SHOT or on TV or anywhere in Public. I am sure you probably don't want to see a guy with his pants zipped down at the bottom of the pages or wearing his speedo and I don't either. (sorry I shouldn't assume that I am just guessing)It doesn't have anything to do with hunting.

I am sorry that you feel I am whining. I was just trying to express my opinion. I did not know that I would be personally attacked for it.

I can see it is pointless to try to express any other opinions than yours and those that feel the need to have the pictures on the site.

By the way I am a good hunter and I still realize that I have a lot to learn. I am willing and able to hear what others have to say without going below the belt to make my point. I am beginning to think you guys just want to fight not find solutions.

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from JD wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

My compliments to those sportswomen that took the time to respond. All the female responses showed restraint from the name calling and kept their sights squarely on the issue we are discussing.
I am sure that your collective voices have been heard by the publishers and merit serious consideration.

It's obvious that this has been a stressful time for many readers due to the major recession lingering on and expenses rising out of proportion to income (if any). That and a full moon sure can result in some "interesting" responses. Maybe everyone needs to step back and take a deep breath, that thankfully is still free.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Thanks for the quote, Clay. That made me laugh.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Bob81

I humbly apologize for my remarks made to you above. I hastily read your post and fired off a not-so-polite response.

My only arguments have been with the less than coherent and non-topical responses from other posters. I have not flamed nor insulted any of the lady sportswomen on here or anywhere else who have not thrown a flaming kettle into the room first.

BTW, I'll whizz on Clay Cooper's shoe anytime I please! LOL He never misses mine!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

TerriLee

I for one would like to have you join the crowd here. Yeah, some of us are a little rough around the edges and don't mind a good scrap once in a while, but for the most part we respect the gals who hang out here.

I'll go so far as to apologize for any and all the clods and their less than sensitive remarks!

WMH

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from Bob81 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

"I am beginning to think you guys just want to fight not find solutions."

LoL! WAM, I think we've been figured out. ;)

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from JD wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

After all, those pink guns are marketed to the young women, see how many are at your dealer's shelves. Lots!

We need to be more united on all issues involving our sport, that is where strength lies! Plenty of anti's out there, no need to divide our ranks. I have trained several young women into the shooting sports, all were great learners and displayed skills beyond their years, especially safety related skills. If you invite them they will come. Make it non-intimidating and they will surprise you.

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Got looking for what NorCal Cazadora said and for a Journalism professor I would expected better language. I guess those two tracks one one each side of the foot steps to the duck blind wasn't a decoy sled after all

I think she is jealous, talks about passers-by can see their abundant cleavage, is that some kind of equipment needed to hunt with? Perhaps we need to pitch in so she can get a pair of abundant cleavage what do you all think?

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

By F&S posting this "Boob Babe", I mean, "Booth Babe Roundup" piece it becomes obvious that F&S is not targeting your daughters, my daughters, or women in general. Their editorial decision is calculated to keep us men enticed and entertained so we read more ads on this site and pay for more subscriptions. The other side of the calculation is that sporting women do not have a reasonable alternative to F&S, so, (the editors hope) women will continue to ignore the trash journalism for the quality print that F&S also provides.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Bob81-
Like WA Mtnhunter has said, I have no need to be lectured by you. My opinions are my own, and if you took the trouble to read my posts, I have previously stated that I object more to the overly sensitive PC concept than anything else. Ms. Heyser chose to single out the two of us for pointing out that she is not as physically attractive as the Booth Babes she protests so about, under the guise of driving away female readership. As to what she did or did not call us, if you are literate, you may draw your own conclusion. Having taken the trouble to click on some of the user names and profiles, most if not all came from Ms. Heyser's blog, and are first time, never before seen users, who came here because of the provided link.
One thing you will find in none of my posts, is any language such as is quoted from Ms. Heyser's blog. You won't find insults about their physical appearance, or low comments regarding their spouse, nor any thinly disguised profanity toward any of the many Howlers of Protest who chose to single me out for my comments. Nor, did I back up and pander to the opposition. You, sir, are welcome to shut your pie-hole and leave my name off your keyboard.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Also, why was I unable to post my comment directly to the BB Roundup responses?

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from fitch270 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Has anyone else noticed in all this not one 12 year old girl has posted yet?

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Terri,
These boys are not fighting... yet. If you really want to see them get dirty just tell them you think the 30.06 is better than the .270. Then run.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

buckhunter

Got one better than that

30-06 is better than the 7mm Rem Mag!

or better yet

338 Win Mag is better than the 300 Win Mag!

But any of the three will do!

EGRESS! BOOOOMMMMM!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Has anyone seen Neal Boortz optical allusion on his web page?

If you look really carefully after a few seconds you'll be able to see an ice cream sundae in this photo.

http://boortz.com/more/optical_illusion.html

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Clay, Clay, Clay, you are living on the edge. In all fairness I have included a photo of myself for the ladies to ridicule. Please take it easy girls. It's just how I was born.

http://bearmythology.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/burt-reynolds-directtv-...

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from Outdoors2 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Missed point. For me, It's not about "Boothe Babes" It's the degradation of a magazine I've been reading for over 45 years. Not until Bonnier Group bought F&S, OL (correct me if I'm wrong) did we see the presence of enhancement drugs nor were images of scantily clad women ever within or associated with "our" favorite sports magazines. Get with the times? I think not! I wish F&S ~ OL would rise above the riff raff, sex sells BS and prove that they can market our traditional pastimes without Viagrafying it's publications.
~R
ps. Put those X-Ray glasses ads in instead and we won't need the girlie images anymore.

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from IdahoHuntress wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

DakotaDan said "The other side of the calculation is that sporting women do not have a reasonable alternative to F&S"
Thankfully you are quite wrong. I long ago decided to forgo reading F&S due to the sexist content. Too many ads for erections and sex enhancement in the back, female models posing as hunters,half naked women holding fish, ads for pseudo porn calendars (Racks and Women in Waders). I don't need to find a way to 'deal with' the misogyny of the website or magazine. Instead, i looked and found Gray's Sporting Journal. Classy, entertaining, helpful, inspiring, fun to read. And absolutely no sexed up women catering to the men who think that that is what women are for. You also don't find comments like these on their website. Check it out if you want real people talking about real hunting/fishing.

I only found this post because of Holly's blog (thanks Holly!). If some of the vitriolic posters actually cared to do research or site actual research that has been done, instead of espousing their beliefs, they would discover that women and girls are actually put off by such images and this type of representation of women has a negative affect. It also affects the way men perceive and treat women. That should be clear from the comments on this post.

The reality of hunting today is that the numbers are dropping and this type of behavior and imagery does nothing positive to attract people to the sport. I am happy to 'get over it' and stay away from F&S and every time I teach a young person to hunt I'll make sure they know that the magazine and its readers aren't mature enough for them to bother with or be associated with.

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Makes ya wonder what ole Kimmy Hess is up to now-a-days??

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from Long Run Fishin... wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I simply refer to the Booth Babes in a Technical/marketing term...aka..Traffic Enhancers!

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from IdahoHuntress wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

And just to assuage all those who will likely screech something about where are your ;citations of research'. Here are a few...

Adams, N., Schmitke, A., & Franklin, A. (2005). Tomboys, dykes, and girly girls: Interrogating the subjectivities of adolescent female athletes. Women's Studies Quarterly, 33(1/2), 17-34.

Bordo, S. (1997). Never just pictures. In Twilight zones: The hidden life of cultural images from Plato to O.J. (pp. 27-65). Berkley: University of California Press.

Culp, R. (1998). Adolescent girls and outdoor recreation: A case study examining constraints and effective programming. Journal of Leisure Research, 30(3), 356-379.

Evans, E. D. R., Judith, Sather, C., & Turner, C. (1991). Content analysis of contemporary teen magazines for adolescent females. Youth Society, 23(1), 99-120.

Garst, J., & Bodenhausen, G. V. (1997). Advertising's effects on men's gender role attitudes. Sex Roles, 36(9/10), 551-572.

Henderson, K. (2000). Gender inclusion as a recreation trend. In W. C. Gartner (Ed.), Trends in outdoor recreation, leisure and tourism (pp. 17-27): CABI Publishing.

Henderson, K., Hodges, S., & Kivel, B. D. (2002). Context and dialogue in research on women and leisure. Journal of Leisure Research, 34(3), 253-271.

Henderson, K., Winn, S., & Roberts, N. S. (1996, January 12-14, 1996). "Kind of in the middle": Gendered meanings of the outdoors for women students. Paper presented at the Coalition for Education in the Outdoors Third Research Symposium, Bradford Woods, IN.

Kilbourne, J. (1999). Can't buy me love: How advertising changes the way we think and feel: Simon and Schuster.

Lindner, K. (2004). Images of women in general interest and fashion magazine advertisements from 1955 to 2002. Sex Roles, 51(7/8), 409-421.

Roster, C. A. (2007). "Girl Power" and participation in macho recreation: The case of female Harley riders. Leisure Sciences, 29, 443-461.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

buckhunter

Better get a bodyguard LOL!!!!

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

When Times Mirror Corp. owned the magazine there were male virility type drugs advertised.

A more recent addition to the F&S advertisers is the ad for AdamandEve.com. They basically sell sex toys. It's hard to shock me but this ad did. I would have to say most would agree it distasteful and should not be in the magazine.

But where do you draw the line? I am sure there are folks out there equally disturbed with the alcohol and tobacco ads found in the magazine so what factors do the Editors consider when accepting an ad?

Well, based upon the Adam and Eve ad it think the only requirement was that they pay their bill. I would only hope it was a tough decision that helped save a job at F&S.

Not to shoot off on another tangent but did anyone read the January issue? Did anyone read Mccafferty's story on Corbett or Heaveys story about the Outdoorsman Challange? Masterful to say the least and yet we spend out time questioning the social ramifications of the Booth Babes?

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from Jacee wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Walt, I sure do wonder about Kim... hope she is doing well. I think this discussion has shown that women and men do think differently, which is why the Huntress blog was such a great resource. Too bad the F&S editors didn't think so! I can't ever remember folks accusing me(or others for that matter) of being a ugly liberal lesbian feminazi faker there... guess we did have a heated discussion about hunting on Sundays but nothing like this! It certainly makes it difficult to get ladies to speak up and get involved when they are attacked for sharing thier opposing views. (I realize that is not everyone, nor was it entirely everyone's intention.) We can all agree to disagree and learn from each other in a respectful way, right?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Well, if F&S is such a sexist low life rag, why do any of you bother to read it? I really skip over the male enhancement and ED cure ads in the back or anywhere else I see them. All the media outlets hawk the stuff. TV is bombarded by those ads. The only thing more prolific are the credit card debt relief ads.

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from NorCal Cazadora wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

After reading all these comments for the past few days, I'm thinking it's finally time to weigh in here about some of the things folks have said about what I wrote:

1. To those of you who just disagreed with me on principle, God bless you for having something intelligent to say, even though I disagree with it.

2. To those of you who resorted to suggesting that I'm ugly and/or a lesbian, all I can say is this: Wow. I haven't heard anything that facile since junior high school playground shoutfests.

3. To those of you who were offended by the language on my blog - mostly slang terms for the body parts that were on display in the photo gallery: fair enough. If you prefer the clinical terms for all of our body parts, that's fair. And if you don't like crude metaphors, that's also fine. To all those people who loathe profanity of any kind - even soft profanity - I'm sorry I offended you. It's a fair hit to criticize me for that.

But, if you think that my use of the word "boobs" is the same as Field & Stream posting the booth babes photo gallery, you've completely missed the point. See item 5 below for the point.

4. To those who think I was attacking individual booth babes, or the marketing principle behind them, or their presence at SHOT, I must reiterate that my quarrel was with Field & Stream. Like I said, I understand marketing. But I also know the difference between a private space and a public magazine website.

5. The point of my argument? I fear I lost some of it in my effort to meet Mr. Licata's requested word count and to focus on what had most caught his attention: the metaphor of girls being in the room. I now realize I erred in sacrificing an essential point, though I'm not sure it would've made a bit of difference in the funfest here.

The point is that when you shove images like these in girls' faces, it affects them deeply. Some become anorexics and subject themselves to mutilation at the hands of surgeons so they can have the "right" measurements. Most just spend the rest of their lives thinking they're not good enough. These images matter a LOT.

Of course, Field & Stream is not responsible for this phenomenon - of that I am well aware. Fashion magazines and Hollywood bear the brunt of the blame in my book. But my wish here is simple: It would be really nice if a hunting magazine - particularly one of the most respected in the country - would be a place where girls could see themselves simply as fellow hunters, not as sex objects who are defective if they don't have deformed measurements or don't dress provocatively.

6. Why don't I pick on Sports Illustrated for its swimsuit issue? Simple: I write about hunting. SI is not a hunting magazine. F&S is. I don't like the SI swimsuit issue either, but I'm not a subscriber, and - as some of you have admonished me to do - I pick my battles. I do subscribe to F&S, so that's a battle I chose. (And speaking of things I don't like, I'm not fond of all the erectile dysfunction ads either because I think it's offensive and unfair to men that the pharmaceutical industry has decided they should remain as sexually active as 20-year-olds until the day they die. Go ahead and call me PC for that too.)

7. For those of you who actually want to think about this subject, I suggest you read some of the comments on my original post - the one that got Mr. Licata's attention. (Here's the link: http://norcalcazadora.blogspot.com/2010/01/ahem-there-are-girls-in-room....). There you will see the sincere responses of many women who didn't think I was on crack or from Mars to make the points I made. At least one divulged that she had been anorexic and confirmed that features like the booth babe gallery ARE part of the problem.

If you don't feel like going to my blog, it's worth pointing out that Jacee and Terri Lee are two women who have really hit some of the key points in comments here (and my apologies for leaving out others who have done so as well - not that being mentioned by name would do you any favors here). But if you just want to have a flame war, please don't bother coming to my blog - while I welcome disagreement there, I do NOT tolerate abuse of fellow commenters.

8. Finally, to all those here who had the guts to listen to what I was saying with an open mind and actually defend me, I thank you, and many, many other women hunters thank you for taking a minute to consider how we might actually feel about some of this. I know it didn't earn you any friends here. And trust me, I know it's hard to willingly subject yourselves to the brutal ridicule of your peers. OK, some people think it's fun, but I don't.

I hit "Post comment" now with a heavy heart, because I know this comment will fall like fresh meat on piranhas. Oh well. Have fun.

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from deblack wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

well,okay i was not going to leave a comment but i am, i am 52 years old i have a 13 yr old grandaughter, just my thoughts upon this. actually there was not as much stuff like this when my 3 kids were that age.
just like the one coment said- you've got to teach them-(like leave something for the imagination)-about values, it will be out there.(i just turned around and heard that stupid commercial on enhancement)i will just change channels, as for that-i don't think that is a good idea of an add anywhere! you reaaaaaaallllly wouldn't want to know why?
if it got under my skin to bad i would boycott, there is such a thing!
as for the Booth Babes,like one comment said they may be all of 25(if not 20) gosh, i remember when i weighed 105 just last year!!
i really don't know what surprised me the most the Booth Babes, the way you all have acted or them Stupid people that ARE taking pics off of the internet to use as their own in the TRAIL CAM CONTEST!!
HOLLY ROCK ON.......!!! My motto when i turned 50 "whateverrrrrrr" my moma always told me that was gonna get me in trouble one of these days so whatever LOL

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from Buzzbaiter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Holly,

I opened the F&S email titled Annual Booth Babe Roundup and looked at the pictures. After I viewed those I looked at the Best New Shotguns pictures. Neither one struck me as unusual or a big deal and still doesn't because isn't. I am the father of two daughters that are now married with one expecting a baby girl this spring. My first granddaughter will be raised by a mom and a dad and visited often by her grandparents. If F&S still has the Annual BBR in 12 years and she looks at it I'm confident no tramatic influence will occur because she will have been raised in an environment that is in balance. At least that is my hope and will do all I can to help that happen, including as many trips to the woods and water as she interested in going on. I will leave it to others to feed your piranhas. Great metaphor by the way, egos really love fresh meat and yours will soon be satiated but as you well know, never satisfied.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

NorCal Cazadora

You’re out of the page approach of David Letterman or better put as the Hunter shot into the cloud of Ducks, spraying and praying for a kill just didn’t set well with us

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

NorCal Cazadora

Thank you for your thoughtful response. Most of us here could care less about booth bait and even less about foul-mouthed blogs elsewhere. Like I said earlier, politicians and journalists (and you seem to be a bit of both) should expect to be flame sprayed when you toss a steaming pile into the room. You never got flamed in Letters to the Editor in your newspaper job?

You seem tough enough to duck hunt so let a little water roll off your back and don't take yourself or me too seriously.

Best regards,
WMH

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

"There you will see the sincere responses of many women who didn't think I was on crack or from Mars to .."

Oh well. Anyone could see that those particular critics are wrong. Everyone knows it's the men who are from mars, and, according to Blondie, some of 'em eat guitars.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Mike,

The fact that you have walking-around knowledge of quotable lyrics from Blondie songs speaks volumes......

Get help somewhere, brother.......LOL

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WMH,

This is a real question, and not meant to start this whole thing up again: You mentioned a "Steaming Pile" thrown into the room. What specifically did you find distasteful about here views, opinions and comments?

Again, if there was a "not-passive-aggressive" emoticon and I knew how to use those blasted things, I would put one at the end of my post.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

LOL! Sgaredneck, the cure for that condition is Springsteen or, possibly, the Allman Brothers.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

sgaredneck

Had to give Mike a +1 for that one, I've tried to save the world but now I'm just trying to survive instead. Far as the Booth Babes go, my Booth Babe is at home and Man does she spoil me!

If anyone think the advertisements are offensive, go to Germany WOW! It will make you blind!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I got to second WAM and a +1!

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Just go away Holly. Your first post presented a skewed analysis, painting the booth babes as "hoochie mamas" and accusing the F&S readership as a whole of making "salacious remarks", and tossing out phrases like; "unintelligible digital pantings of the teenage boys. You have succeeded in dividing the readership, you have brought in sympathetic readership from another blog, as was your intention, to support your position, and start your verbal donnybrook.
You have advocated political correctness on an issue that would not be an issue without you, yourself, making it so. Even though you have somewhat changed your belligerent tone in your second posting, the fact remains, you are a rather foul mouthed and left leaning person. Your attitude screams "I wanna play with the Big Boys, and they have to play by MY rules." Political correctness mixed with militant feminism may play well in California, and your slang terms, soft profanity, and crude metaphors may be acceptable on your blog, but not here. We expect better of visiting ladies who are guest posters. You have succeeded in creating a division in the readership, stirring animosity, and concocting controversy. Now, please, just go away.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I am trying to find something I hate on this site so I can get a guest editorial and drive traffic to my blog. It will run right after next week's guest editorial from PETA, "Why I Hate Pictures of Dead Animals."

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Mike,
LOL
I have the mental image of an early SNL skit -the one with Akroyd as Jimmuh Carter doing a call-in interview, and a guy calls in on an acid trip. Jimmuh tells him to not to worry "you just dropped 'orange sunshine' or something and then tells him to mellow out with an Allman Brothers record. Maybe the metaphor here is everyone of age here with the appropriate piece of vinyl go put something on that gets you back to that happy place.

I think the boiled-down thing we can walk away from the article with - that for whatever reason a good many people give a rip about F&S and what image it has.

r/s
S GA

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

as for Shot show an the Booth Babes...Alas Icant afford either.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Hey sgaredneck

I believe you’re on to something there; perhaps everyone needs to listen to Barry Manilow instead of that funky get down!

Some fella just walked by my office window wearing his jeans almost down around his knees. I wonder how hard it would be to train a dog to run up behind and jerking them down!

And here we are worrying about cleavage!

SAY NO TO PLUMBERS CRACK!

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Now can we put this one to bed?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

John Anderson,

I didn't attend SHOT this year due to the cost, so I know where you're coming from.

Clay,
???????????????????
Barry Manilow??????..........I don't think I'd 'a told that.....

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from TerriLeePocernich wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Just for the record, the person who told me about this article was not Holly nor from her blog. It was a male friend in the industry with whom I have had this discussion a few times and is a member of this site. He sent the link to me knowing I would bristle.

As for the comment to Holly... "You have succeeded in dividing the readership, you have brought in sympathetic readership from another blog, as was your intention, to support your position, and start your verbal donnybrook."

and

"We expect better of visiting ladies who are guest posters. You have succeeded in creating a division in the readership, stirring animosity, and concocting controversy."

Hmmmmm,I think the editors here at F&S asked her to share. Maybe that was THEIR intention. There is only one thing that sells better than sex. Controversy + sex. Congrats to F&S for a very successful marketing ploy. You suckered me in.

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from TerriLeePocernich wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

On a good note, I learned there are some very nice people who are on this site! Thanks to all of you!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

TerriLee

Welcome! Hope you read/post often! Then you will really find out who the nice folks are for sure.

As the editors of F&S can confirm, we could care less about what they think! They have just been suckered into operating a website for US! LOL

Cheers

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Hey sgaredneck, what can I say?
While everyone was in the Bars and strumming guitars, I was out in the woods enjoying nature at its fullest!

Ran into one of those Anti Cigarette folks giving some fella hell behind the counter at the local stab and grab yelling at him saying he is going to die a honorably awful death!

I tell ya' what are we going to with all these people wanting a perfect world!

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from shane wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

"The point is that when you shove images like these in girls' faces, it affects them deeply. Some become anorexics and subject themselves to mutilation at the hands of surgeons so they can have the "right" measurements. Most just spend the rest of their lives thinking they're not good enough. These images matter a LOT."

Right! So...

I propose a ban on folks that are in shape and attractive, as well as images of such people. They might screw things up for those with low self-esteem, bad diets, lazy lifestyles, weak personalities, and mushy bodies.

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

SSSHHHHHH!! be very very quiet, we be huntin wabits!

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

By all means Terrylee come back often.

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from MD Huntress wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

This is just coporate amaerica's way of playing men. Yes these girls are hot, but they have no idea what they are trying to get you to look at "uh duh like I guess it's works". I understand the concept, I mean it's nothing new (been around a gazillion years and yet men and women both still fall for it). Altough you don't see too many hot guys advertising kitchen appliances, so maybe it doesn't work as well on women. I would be more apt to check out a company that was secure enough with their product to not sink to using the all to often surgically enhanced women to get your attention. If their product was really all that good in the first place it would sell itself. I also agree that it is not appropriate in a setting such as this not just for the young ladies, but the boys as well. These women don't even look like that on the street.(Have you checked out some of the celeb without makeup sites?)There are plenty of other websites for that kind of photojournalism.

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from enoake wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

I find myself more amaised each time I read a comment about how I should accept the auther's point as valid and ignore that the auther is asking to have something censored. I wouldn't buy F&S for the booth babes, but it's something I enjoy. I won't point it out to anyone else regardless of age or gender. And it's not presented in such a way that someone has no choice to avoid it if it offends them. So lighten up, don't sweat the petty stuff & don't pet the sweaty stuff

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from enoake wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

I find myself more amaised each time I read a comment about how I should accept the auther's point as valid and ignore that the auther is asking to have something censored. I wouldn't buy F&S for the booth babes, but it's something I enjoy. I won't point it out to anyone else regardless of age or gender. And it's not presented in such a way that someone has no choice to avoid it if it offends them. So lighten up, don't sweat the petty stuff & don't pet the sweaty stuff

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from MLH wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago
from HUNT OHIO wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

Good story, but the truth is if I am not out hunting, chating up some of these babes comes in second. Everybody needs to remember if you dont like what you see than dont look.

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from Chrisf7469 wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

I would like to see more clothes on these women!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

I just looked at the Booth babes photo gallery for the first time. Some of them are a bit trashy looking to me and not all that hot. Not exactly America's finest girls next door. Maybe we could get one to dye her hair orange???

To all you horndogs, what ever cranks your tractor! LOL

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

WAM +1 for'ya!

I wonder if all women wear burka's would make Holly feel better and what about the public swimming pool

I don't care about Gentlemen Clubs or Bars. Cannot stand cigarette smoke and what goes on in those places, nothing but trouble and I run a dry camp. But you will not hear me complaining about it.

Welcome to America!

Every once in a while someone does something STUPID and that's ok.

Just don't abuse the privilege!!! LOL!

“False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. They ought to be designated as laws not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts, and not by thoughtful consideration of the inconveniences and advantages of a universal decree.”

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

Ran out of cleaning supplies so I made a run to Wal-Mart tonight. I got to tell'ya, talk about a freak show, WOW! If we worried about the whack jobs I seen tonight as the Booth Babes, we are in deep trouble!

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from 1uglymutha wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

it would take a month to read all the responses to this story. read some of them though and they were entertaining. i wonder if this woman has ever seen some of petzal's picture posts? probably not. her closet feminist ass would have died of apoplexy by now. booth babe photos were very mild, especially when you compare them with photos from any modern teen magazine. come on lady. lighten up.

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from Dakota.Woman wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I'm one of the guys, I'm just not one of the gay guys. But "Booth Babe" articles haven't got one blessed thing to do with hunting or fishing or the great outdoors. Not to mention, lots of women hunt & fish - they just don't talk about it much. I'm a grandma & I'm still chasing some very nifty guys away with a stick so (a) we know I'm not ugly as a mudpuppy & (b) I'm not oooold, & (c)'sexy' ain't only about T & A. More, it's about ability, spunk, & stuff like that. Let's have more articles on interesting things & leave the T & A stuff to some other publication.

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from OttoLodr wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I do not like the Booth Babes article or any other article in which women are used as bait. I dislike being distracted by skin, just show me the product or the article.

And yes I am a guy, and I am straight.

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from Wycked wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

So I got a call from JCPenny's asking me if I was intested in insurance...INSURANCE!?WTH...I told them if I want socks, I go to JCPennys, if I want insurance I'll call Allstate....
Now you maybe asking, "Where is he going with this"?
Here it is:
If I want to learn, know, read about hunting...I go for F&S. If I want hot chicks, I go for Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition. And to further this topic, I REALLY, REALLY, get frustrated when you have some "hot chick" selling products that she knows NOTHING about! I have questions, and here is some 19 yr old girl who hasn't touched a gun in her life let alone be able to answer ANY questions about the optics on the scope! This also applies to boat shows, RV shows, and sportsman shows.

OK, I'll step off now.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Dakota.Woman

Well put. I could not agree more!

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from alabamaoutlaw wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I live close to the beach so i have become as immune to bikinis as i guess a man can get if you can get that way. But i don't buy anything from them but a carwash for a charity and we have those too.They don't bother me i didn't look at them for on reason we don't icefish where i live so i didn't need to waste time flipping through the pages.Now if they had been selling boatrods or new saltwater reels i would have looked butthey weren't.I've seen enough bikinis to last me awhile,if i need a fix i'll just run by the beach and look at the real thing.but not the orange haired ones.

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from bigbasser wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

If I enter a booth, then I am interested in the product itself. I'd rather talk to ole crusty than someone who does'nt have a clue. But the babes are sure good to look at, given the fundamentals of nature. You can look but don't touch, and be respectful. In this day and age, the booth babes need a job too.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I think if you are seriously trying to shelter a 12 year old from boothbabes in outdoor life you need to not let them be in sports either. They might see a cheerleader with a skirt on. You better look at all your mail so they can't look at a clothing magazine that might have a picture of someone in their underwear. You better not let them watch tv, because they may see a fruit of the loom commercial. Better not let them out of the house or your sight.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

One other thing. If it would make the women feel better, the publishers can have some men posing with their shirts off holding guns and such and I promise I won't cry about it. I won't starve myself because I don't have a sixpack other than budweiser. I won't think that the women who comment about it are sexist or anything else.

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from Zermoid wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Instead of griping about men doing what is inherently in their nature, ex. looking for good looking women, why not gripe at the women who in your opinion display too much skin, I hear there are plenty on most beaches, so why don't you get a good supply if those nice 1910 wool swimsuits and go talk some of those repugnant females into wearing "proper" attire.

That should keep you out of our hair for about 20 years......

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from boothbabeconfessions wrote 4 years 1 week ago

Wow...so much hate for booth babes. Well, I don't like bitter women who hunt for spot. There.

www.boothbabeconfessions.com

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from mexslysyn wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

I really like hunting and fishing, this article is very inspiring to me
NEWS

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from Jehnifer Quinn wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

I appreciated the insight on the article. I like to hear women who have a tone of reason when it comes to the reality of "what sells" but also address where and where it isn't appropriate.

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from dave63go wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

As a normal, red-blooded male, I enjoy the photos of the attractive women as much as the next guy. But the author makes an excellent argument - the Field & Stream website isn't a men's locker room.

I very much want to see more women embrace hunting and fishing, for the future of both sports. Field & Stream, let's do everything we can to encourage our wives, daughters, and girlfriends to hunt and fish. In doing so, let's leave the website full of hotties to Victoria's Secret.

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from jbird wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Holly, I'm glad your a hunter, and thank you for making good, sound arguments for hunters on your site. Having said that, you obviously are not a parent of a 12 year old girl. I am, and trust me, she sees worse walking down the hallway at her school than in the "booth babes" pics. Sex is everywhere, on tv, movies, magazines, newspapers, billboards, you name it. The best thing an ACTUAL parent of a 12 year old girl can do is be proactive. She's already had the "talk", unfortunately because so many of her friends were "talking" about it. We teach our kids about "good values" and "self respect", so they aren't "taught" what they should look like or dress like by pictures on a hunting and fishing web site. If you had a 12 year old daughter, I think you'd realize that they're ALOT more privy to matters of the flesh than you were at 12. If a 12 year old is "damaged" by the images and comments on this site, it is a direct result of piss-poor parenting, not F&S's recklessness and insensitivity. I think that being a hunter in California, you'd have enough to argue about besides F&S's corruption of your 'rose tinted glasses' view of a 12 yr. old's innocence. Lighten up, sex sells, whether it's woman's magazines, cars, guns, chewing gum,web sites or boner pills. Heck, a 12 year old knows that!

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from Sherry Kerr wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I frankly didn't even think of the 12-year-old girl's perspective when I saw F&S's booth babe coverage; I just thought of myself. What you said to me was that you don't want my business. The industry claims it wants more women and girls to hunt and shoot, and then they remind us they don't really mean it when they fill SHOT Show booths with babes. What it says to me is that they're after men's business, not mine. As a female hunter who also works in the industry and goes to the SHOT Show, I walk right by those booths. Every one of them has a competitor, and that's where I spend my money and goodwill. Same goes for Field & Stream; when you publicize booth babes, you're telling me I'm not your market. If that's what you were going for, you made your point. I never expected anything different of Petzal (whom I like, incidentally), but Anthony, I expected better of you.

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from Bryan01 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

No serious person can argue with what she has to say - the only real question is whether or not Field & Stream will have another Booth Babes feature next year - that's a question the Editors should answer.

My guess is, that by giving this letter a prominent position on the web page they are trying to have it both ways - temporarily placate the viewers who dislike the feature by publishing this letter now and then running the Booth Babes feature again next year.

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from Sharkfin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

In the words of my 13 year old daughter, "WHATEVER!!". I couldn't care less if the booth babes show up on F&S or not. I don't sit around making "salacious remarks" no matter whose around. I don't mind if you are a woman and find them offensive. What I do care about is the BS political correctness of having to tell someone that something offends you and expecting them to 1)care and 2)do something about it. It's not like the title of the article is misleading or the first picture, or any of them for that matter, are over the top. Ride down the interstate and check out some of the billboards. No chance to avoid that. My 13 year old daughter sees more in your face inappropriate attire and behavior every summer at our neighborhood pool, between the moms that want to be wanted and the 16 year old girls that look like they are 25 all wearing way to skimpy swimsuits. Swimsuits that she will never wear while she lives in my house because my wife and I will not allow it!! I'm honestly not sure how some of my buddies in the neighborhood get any sleep for worrying about what the 16 year old boys are doing with their daughters let alone some of the comments I've heard from the 40 year old guys about their daughters and wives. You want to talk about objectifying women? Who do you think the Victoria Secret catalogs and runway shows are really for? Really? Why do you think they even exist? My wife will be the first to say, she's has never, ever bought sexy lingerie for herself and I told her to stop buying it for me. I never liked having to unwrap Christmas and birthday presents anyway!! Maybe F&S will stop doing the booth babe segment, maybe not. If they pull it I hope they do it because they want to, not because someone was offended. Yeah, right! WHATEVER!!

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from Sidewinder wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Ms. Heyser, respectfully, you are wrong, ma'am. We men (pigs?) who appreciate the beauty of the Booth Babes are not necessarily knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers who make crude remarks at every attractive woman we see. If you are married or have a significant other in your life then please know that physical attraction played a large role in your meeting. Certainly other things came into play, such as sense of humor, intelligence, et cetera but at the end of the day there was a feeling of physical attraction.

I hunt and fish and shoot with my 12YO daughter; she is my favorite outdoors partner by far. I have taught her to shoot, hunt, fish, tie flies, and even how to tie the dreaded wind knot. BTW, she really enjoys the wind knot, saying "Cool, Daddy, do that one again!" For some reason I think she likes the scowl on my face as I address the aforementioned wind knot.

The other woman in my life looks nothing like a Booth Babe, yet I love her no less. She goes into the back woods with me, shares the experiences, and never looks back with anything but fondness on our time there. She is a strong wonderful and beautiful woman who feels no threat from a woman in a magazine, this one or any other. Neither she nor my daughter feels any threat from a Booth Babe. If you want to level the playing field, then add some "beef cake" to the SHOT show and be quiet. I would look upon such young men and say "Dang, I wish I looked like that now. Dang, I wish I looked like that 20 years ago!"

Ultimately, Ms. Heyser, thank you for your input. It has given me things to think about, and I realize that I have nothing to fear for myself or for my daughter from the appearance of Booth Babes in F&S. We are both stronger than that. I will look for other places for guiding my beautiful daughter through life than someone who teaches a traditionally liberal profession (journalism) in a very liberal state (California).

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from itzkat wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I have to say that I find it refresing that there are people here who will at listen to the author's aurgments and consider it from her point of view even if they don't agree. Of course there are plenty of the usual group who appear to be unable to offer any other opinion other than to insult the author.

As a woman that hunts, I have certainly had to put up with a lot of this type of stuff. It always strikes me as funny when the men say they want more female hunters but get their hackles up when we point out that posting pictures of hot girls in camo bikinis is not the way to encourage it. You just can't have it both ways guys. Either we will be welcomed to a site where we will feel comfortable or we will stay away from the things that we find objectionable.

And try to remember, guys it isn't just here at the F&S that we this happens. It is at almost all the outdoor forums as well. Watch the hunting shows on TV. Hard to find an average looking girl, but there are plenty of average looking and even overwieght men represented.

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from NorCal Cazadora wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

After reading all these comments for the past few days, I'm thinking it's finally time to weigh in here about some of the things folks have said about what I wrote:

1. To those of you who just disagreed with me on principle, God bless you for having something intelligent to say, even though I disagree with it.

2. To those of you who resorted to suggesting that I'm ugly and/or a lesbian, all I can say is this: Wow. I haven't heard anything that facile since junior high school playground shoutfests.

3. To those of you who were offended by the language on my blog - mostly slang terms for the body parts that were on display in the photo gallery: fair enough. If you prefer the clinical terms for all of our body parts, that's fair. And if you don't like crude metaphors, that's also fine. To all those people who loathe profanity of any kind - even soft profanity - I'm sorry I offended you. It's a fair hit to criticize me for that.

But, if you think that my use of the word "boobs" is the same as Field & Stream posting the booth babes photo gallery, you've completely missed the point. See item 5 below for the point.

4. To those who think I was attacking individual booth babes, or the marketing principle behind them, or their presence at SHOT, I must reiterate that my quarrel was with Field & Stream. Like I said, I understand marketing. But I also know the difference between a private space and a public magazine website.

5. The point of my argument? I fear I lost some of it in my effort to meet Mr. Licata's requested word count and to focus on what had most caught his attention: the metaphor of girls being in the room. I now realize I erred in sacrificing an essential point, though I'm not sure it would've made a bit of difference in the funfest here.

The point is that when you shove images like these in girls' faces, it affects them deeply. Some become anorexics and subject themselves to mutilation at the hands of surgeons so they can have the "right" measurements. Most just spend the rest of their lives thinking they're not good enough. These images matter a LOT.

Of course, Field & Stream is not responsible for this phenomenon - of that I am well aware. Fashion magazines and Hollywood bear the brunt of the blame in my book. But my wish here is simple: It would be really nice if a hunting magazine - particularly one of the most respected in the country - would be a place where girls could see themselves simply as fellow hunters, not as sex objects who are defective if they don't have deformed measurements or don't dress provocatively.

6. Why don't I pick on Sports Illustrated for its swimsuit issue? Simple: I write about hunting. SI is not a hunting magazine. F&S is. I don't like the SI swimsuit issue either, but I'm not a subscriber, and - as some of you have admonished me to do - I pick my battles. I do subscribe to F&S, so that's a battle I chose. (And speaking of things I don't like, I'm not fond of all the erectile dysfunction ads either because I think it's offensive and unfair to men that the pharmaceutical industry has decided they should remain as sexually active as 20-year-olds until the day they die. Go ahead and call me PC for that too.)

7. For those of you who actually want to think about this subject, I suggest you read some of the comments on my original post - the one that got Mr. Licata's attention. (Here's the link: http://norcalcazadora.blogspot.com/2010/01/ahem-there-are-girls-in-room....). There you will see the sincere responses of many women who didn't think I was on crack or from Mars to make the points I made. At least one divulged that she had been anorexic and confirmed that features like the booth babe gallery ARE part of the problem.

If you don't feel like going to my blog, it's worth pointing out that Jacee and Terri Lee are two women who have really hit some of the key points in comments here (and my apologies for leaving out others who have done so as well - not that being mentioned by name would do you any favors here). But if you just want to have a flame war, please don't bother coming to my blog - while I welcome disagreement there, I do NOT tolerate abuse of fellow commenters.

8. Finally, to all those here who had the guts to listen to what I was saying with an open mind and actually defend me, I thank you, and many, many other women hunters thank you for taking a minute to consider how we might actually feel about some of this. I know it didn't earn you any friends here. And trust me, I know it's hard to willingly subject yourselves to the brutal ridicule of your peers. OK, some people think it's fun, but I don't.

I hit "Post comment" now with a heavy heart, because I know this comment will fall like fresh meat on piranhas. Oh well. Have fun.

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from IowaGuy wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

When it comes down to it, I just think about what type of image do we project with our sport? I sure hope my girls want to follow me into the duck blind and tree stand when they get older and hope they can feel confident about who they are and support and enjoy outdoor publications like Field and Stream without field and stream turning into field and cheesecake.

Our numbers are shrinking, the anti's want to paint us as knuckle draggers, lets support the best images we can. There are other magazines out there for the sizzle, I just want to know about how to get the deer steak.

We all are wearing long underwear and camo coats in a Nov. duckblind, and we need to promote the idea that woman are welcome to join us in camo coats, not camo bikini's.

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from stumpthumper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Come on, guys, be honest. Read the comments under the booth babes gallery and honestly tell me you'd want your 12-year-old daughter who is trying to learn how to hunt to read those. I think the writer here makes some dang fine points.

And to you a-holes who made snickering comments about seeing the writers photo and "rest my case," you are the kind of ignorant fools that scare women out of these sports. And if you're going to go there, why don't you show us all your photo? I'm sure you guys are great looking and built like pro atheletes, right? Please....

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Having just returned from Ms. Heyser's blog, I have to say that I am much more offended for my 13 year old granddaughter's sake by some of Ms. Hyster's references to female anatomy and innuendo than by anything in the Booth Babe pictorial. Check out the link, I think you will see the double standard in how she writes and what she professes to protest.

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from Fieldand Stream wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

This is Anthony Licata, the editor-in-chief of Field & Stream. We started booth babes a few years ago just to let readers in on laugh that we all have at SHOT show. Over the years it's become pretty popular. No surprise there since 95% of our readers are men.

But a good editor has responsibilities beyond giving readers what they want. Here at F&S, we've got to consider how we can promote and grow the great sports of hunting and fishing. I'm not saying Booth Babes is preventing us from bringing new people into the sport, but I will say that we've got to welcome more women into these traditions if we want them to thrive. I'll also say that I've been in hunting camps where women just another member of the gang, and I've been in ones were women sportsmen were patronized and made to feel uncomfortable. I know where I'd rather hang out.

That's why I asked Holly Heyser to write a version of that smart take I saw on her blog. I'm glad she's got people talking. We love discussion on this site.

But I would like to remind everyone that no matter who you disagree with, let's try to keep the conversation civil. First of all, Holly is a guest here, and being rude to your guests is just poor form and makes us all look bad. Second, smart discussion is always better than personal insults. And I know this whole discussion started on looks but do we really want to go there? Speaking on behalf of F&S editors and bloggers, we're one rough looking bunch, and I certainly wouldn't want anyone judging our team on that!
Anthony

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from TerriLeePocernich wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

jbird,

Like I said I am not bashing the site nor any of the people on the site. I am merely trying to show people, there are women that feel that is not what they want to see on the site or at SHOT or on TV or anywhere in Public. I am sure you probably don't want to see a guy with his pants zipped down at the bottom of the pages or wearing his speedo and I don't either. (sorry I shouldn't assume that I am just guessing)It doesn't have anything to do with hunting.

I am sorry that you feel I am whining. I was just trying to express my opinion. I did not know that I would be personally attacked for it.

I can see it is pointless to try to express any other opinions than yours and those that feel the need to have the pictures on the site.

By the way I am a good hunter and I still realize that I have a lot to learn. I am willing and able to hear what others have to say without going below the belt to make my point. I am beginning to think you guys just want to fight not find solutions.

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from Buzzbaiter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Holly,

I opened the F&S email titled Annual Booth Babe Roundup and looked at the pictures. After I viewed those I looked at the Best New Shotguns pictures. Neither one struck me as unusual or a big deal and still doesn't because isn't. I am the father of two daughters that are now married with one expecting a baby girl this spring. My first granddaughter will be raised by a mom and a dad and visited often by her grandparents. If F&S still has the Annual BBR in 12 years and she looks at it I'm confident no tramatic influence will occur because she will have been raised in an environment that is in balance. At least that is my hope and will do all I can to help that happen, including as many trips to the woods and water as she interested in going on. I will leave it to others to feed your piranhas. Great metaphor by the way, egos really love fresh meat and yours will soon be satiated but as you well know, never satisfied.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Lots more women in sports, and there's still the annual Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, which is much more revealing and sexist. Many more young ladies looking at that. And what is going on in Cosmo and Teen magazines? And music, Hollywood, and fashion?

Actually, what does go through a 12-year old girl's mind when she sees booth babes or swimsuit models? From what I recall they just laugh about the big boobs or say, "That one's pretty," or repeat what their moms said, "Men!" Some deep scarring or feelings of inadequacy taking root? Perhaps an opportunity to talk to them. I can only truly account for the thoughts of 12-year old boys - definitely want to talk with them.

It took a bit of time to get used to European openness - for example, bare boobs in advertisements and as PC wallpapers on company computers (both men and women's PCs). And in Asia .... We are much more Puritan in the U.S.

It is the vocal that usually drives change. Just ask Jim Zumbo. The silent just sit back and watch it happen. Bottom line - to me the booth babes are innocuous, they remind me and make me laugh about our (men's) gullibility, and I look forward to seeing them every year.

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from ATH1971 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Are you guys serious? She says upfront that she is not offended by the photos. She is not blasting Field and Stream for being part of some kind of wicked moral decay in popular culture. She is not crusading for a perfectly PC world. She is not blaming Field and Stream for exposing kids to these images.

The point she is making is quite simple. Would you want your 8-12 year old daughter sitting there and listening while you and your friends enthusiastically voice your appreciation for the fine figure of a scantily clad stripper?* That is, in effect, the way one would classify what is going on here.

*(I've got nothing against strippers, but don't fool yourself into thinking these are wholesome girls-next-door...in Vegas? [granted I'm sure there are some babes who are actually employed in the industry])

I don't know how a young girl feels when she reads the comments and innuendo relating to these photos. I do think there is a good chance that it might be a little off-putting, or make the community here seem a little more unrelatable to a young girl trying to join the ranks of sportsmen.

I don't feel strongly one way or the other: the booth babes really don't get me revved up, and I don't really know what kind of an effect it has on the younger female readership.

I don't have a dog in this fight; I am just disturbed sometimes by comments that betray a fundamental lack of comprehension by the poster. I apologize for the lengthy post.

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from Hil wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

No one is saying a 12-year-old girl is going to have her innocence stolen by viewing the Booth Babes article. The point being made is that just maybe, a young huntress will see this and wonder if she's only welcome into the hunting world if she looks like those women. We women who are grown and confident in our skills, looks and abilities think "that's silly, I'm a great parent, my daughter is smart; she knows she is welcome in the woods with me anytime and these women aren't a real representation of what hunting is like." But 12-year-old girls don't think like that. Most don't have the maturity and confidence to realize that no one really expects them to look like these women. Unless you've been a 12-year-old girl at some point, you truly can't understand the way that developing mind works.

I see Holly's point here that if young girls are the ONE segment of the hunting industry that's actually growing, we might want to be careful about inviting them in rather than making them uncomfortable about joining us.

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from Sharkfin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Uh, that is exactly what I did. I used her own words in both of my posts. The first one she was trying to offend men with "salacious remarks". The second was "had a real problem with F&S posting its 2010 SHOT Show Booth Babe Roundup on this website Wednesday" to provide proof that she found the segment offensive, when you said "She says upfront that she is not offended by the photos". She did not say that at all. If fact every word she writes is to explain why she finds it offensive. Are you paying attention at all?

of⋅fen⋅sive  
–adjective 1. causing resentful displeasure; highly irritating, angering, or annoying: offensive television commercials.
2. unpleasant or disagreeable to the sense: an offensive odor.
3. repugnant to the moral sense, good taste, or the like; insulting: an offensive remark; an offensive joke.

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from thehunterswife wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Are we forgetting these girls at the booths are probably no older than 25? I guarantee in 10 years 80% of them will regret dressing "the part" for SHOT. It's sad to see some teenagers and young adults feel sex or being sexy needs to play a roll in ALL they do. It seems they've come to accept it as the "norm". Twenty years ago I was asked to model at a car show, my response "My Dad would kill me".

What I find to be disgusting are some of the comments being made. And the majority of you heavy breathers are old enough to be their fathers.

Finally, interesting comment made by the editor; "We always get a good chuckle out of this practice when we’re at the show". It seems even F&S believes it's not the time and place for it with their chuckles.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

As Buckhunter said I've been watching this mud pie fight from the sidelines. I agree totally with his point that women love the attention, so do men. I also see that a failing of our society is the acceptance of foul mouth behavior on the streets and in the media, particularly blogs. Movies and TV are now full of it now. I can't go anywhere and not hear the "F" word thrown out as I used to hear "heck" and "darn". The commentary on this particular thread has brought out a gush of it pointed at each opposing view point.

Back to my initial point. Women do love attention and so do men. I've even seen my pastor begin to glow when a female shares a smile or a compliment with him. We are all human.

I don't have young children but I do work with youth groups and the over riding comments I hear from young females concerning such skimpy booth babe attire is disbelief, giggles and comments of toppling over from the after market add ons...

What does have an effect on young females in a hurry is the language being thrown at them right and left. Since they see so many potty mouth people using such, they quickly pick up on it.

My wife is an attractive and intelligent woman; she also works in the outdoor sports industry. I accompany her to trade shows and she and I have a wonderful time critiquing the "booth bait" as she refers to them, all the usual as you would expect, after market add ons, over done and under clad... We laugh and go on our way.

My wife has never once been threatened by the "babes". She has been intimidated and thoroughly peeved by the way many of the men in the booths treat her. "Hey Sugar", "Honey you need what I have,”Wolf Whistles, "Hay baby I'd like to do business with you..." The comments go on and on. She does an excellent job in defending herself and usually does not want me to say anything. She also won't do business with many of these buttheads. But, on occasion she will introduce me as her husband. 6'2" inches of disgruntled husband looking down his nose at the idiot of the moment usually provokes a quick apology and even additional discounts on occasion. This is the side of the shooting sports business that many folks don't know about.

Good discussion people, but let’s keep it civil!

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from Jacee wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

It seems that if I make a comment about the SHOT Show Booth Babes I will be considered an ugly lesbian liberal feminazi. Really? No matter that this discussion comes up every year, and no matter that most folks here have very good points, regardless of which side you are on. Using sexy ladies to sell things to men is nothing new, and I don't expect that to change anytime soon. And as a mom, I know I have to be wary of what my child sees and is involved in. But it creates a problem - do I want this to represent hunting and fishing to the world? To her? Do I want my daughter to think that being thin and beautiful is the only way to live and to be accepted outdoors, to enjoy hunting and fishing? That men will only leer at her, make inappropriate comments, or call her a lesbian instead of seeing her as an equal in the field? I certainly hope not. But it is clear that she will face a socitey that sends mixed messages to her about her identity... luckily the outdoor spaces don't care.

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from shane wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

"The point is that when you shove images like these in girls' faces, it affects them deeply. Some become anorexics and subject themselves to mutilation at the hands of surgeons so they can have the "right" measurements. Most just spend the rest of their lives thinking they're not good enough. These images matter a LOT."

Right! So...

I propose a ban on folks that are in shape and attractive, as well as images of such people. They might screw things up for those with low self-esteem, bad diets, lazy lifestyles, weak personalities, and mushy bodies.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

My aching ache! Political correctness running amok, as usual. I could agree with Ms. Hyser's somewhat skewed analysis if any of the Booth Babes were in fact "hoochie mamas," or if any of their dress or cleavage was in poor taste. Nope, can't find any of that. Just good lookin', wholesome gals I wished lived next door. Nor will her "salacious remarks" comment cut any ice. All comments have to go by the moderator, and I have not seen any salacious comments. Lighten up a bit , Ms. Heyser. The Booth Babes are not going to offend or corrupt any of our young sportswomen, unless oversensitive feminists plant a seed in their minds and harp on the idea until it grows.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

crm3006 - that is stepping low. Gotta admire a woman who posts a picture of herself in camo facepaint after a duck hunt. I know guys that are too vain to do that.

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from henslecd wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

If F&S did a "Booth Dudes" gallery from the SHOT Show, I just wouldn't read it. It surely wouldn't make me stop hunting.

That said, just go to the author's blog, where she talks about the female anatomy as if she was a 13 year old boy.

I don't even know if she looked at the "Booth Babe" gallery, because I didn't think any of them really looked as she sensationalizes in her blog.

In the end, I seriously doubt any girl is going to become anorexic and get a breast enhancement because they saw a gallery of normal looking girls on fieldandstream.com.

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from Mark Orlicky wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I think Holly has a great point. By the way, Anthony, if you're sincere with that piece you just added, why don't you pay Holly to come back and resume her "Huntress" column? I miss it! Her column was a breath of fresh air, a different perspective that needs to be seen and heard!

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from Bella wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Soo Clay, I'm in the gutter again? merely because I suggest turn about is fair play? I say human beings can be attractive in either gender, whether you are talking Michelangelo's David or Bottichelli's Venus. If you are gonna pay some empty headed but attractive young women to hang about the booth, why not offer the same oppertunity to some similarly ignorant (but pretty) Boys. Or drop it altogether and choose your sales people for what they know rather than how they look. 'Course they'll have to be coached not to freak out if they get cruised, 'cause gay men gots money to spend too, and often more than the average het dude (Dual Income No Kids, DINKs). After all it is all about capitalism, ain't it...
When a proposition is offered that isn't reciprocal, then the double standard becomes evident. People who benefit from double standards often approve of 'em, but that don't make it FAIR.

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from charlie elk wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Manners, the point is good manners make us gentlemen.
The lady has legitimate points worth consideration.
It is not about censorship it is about choices; do you want to be a gentleman or not?
At some point in my life it dawned on me that a worthy goal was to become a gentleman. I don’t know why; maybe just to be different - the term gentleman is so rarely used anymore; is that because there are so few gentlemen left?
The issue of good parenting has been brought up. Hmm… as a good parent / grandfather there are comments which would lead me to believe those fellows are untrustworthy and unsuitable to be allowed in the same room as my daughters and granddaughters unsupervised. (Just another free choice I choose to make.)
In this day and age one must also consider another motivation--
Males who wear makeup, earrings, necklaces or other traditionally female trinkets may feel the need to thump their chests and shout out their interest in females just to make sure everyone knows they have that interest. …While men who are obviously secure with their maleness feel no need to advertise it to the world.

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from danahuntress wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

If you don't want to look at the "babes"--don't click. It's that simple.

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from TerriLeePocernich wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Well where to begin. I am not someone who frequents this site or subscribes to this magazine. I only now have added a user name just to post this comment.

There is one very pointed reason why I don't. The way women are portrayed here and treated here. This link was sent to me or I never would have known about it.

Let me start by saying, it is not my website and I think the owners of this business and those readers that want to check out booth babes or fishing babes or whatever they want have that right. They can portray women hunters however they would like.

I have the choice to not come to this site and I don't. I have the choice to walk past those boothes at SHOT, and I do. Businesses that choose to send a message to me, that they think that women hunters are just sex objects will NOT get my business and they probably don't care.

I will probably never come back to this site again and that is my choice. I do however feel, there is a reason that the readers of this site are mostly men. A lot of women do not feel comfortable here, that is simply a fact.

I have hunted since I was 10 and have been dealing with this for some 30+ years. As someone in the industry I feel it gives women a bad taste and I for one am trying to encourage women.

Men (and some women) can tells us all they want to get over it, but it is and will continue to be an issue to a lot of women. Women don't want to see these pictures for various reasons. I agree they shouldn't look.

But just the fact that they are on the site will deter women from finding a lot of other great articles etc. that are to be found here.

Just because sexy sells and is all over websites, billboards, TV etc. doesn't mean that women want it thrown in their faces on any site, or magazine that is suppose to be about a sport they love too. (That includes Sports Illustrated etc.)

My favorite saying is evil prevails when good men (or women)do nothing. And while I am NOT saying this is evil, I am saying a lot of good customers do nothing or say nothing, and just walk away. This time I chose to say something and walk away.

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from Outdoors2 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Missed point. For me, It's not about "Boothe Babes" It's the degradation of a magazine I've been reading for over 45 years. Not until Bonnier Group bought F&S, OL (correct me if I'm wrong) did we see the presence of enhancement drugs nor were images of scantily clad women ever within or associated with "our" favorite sports magazines. Get with the times? I think not! I wish F&S ~ OL would rise above the riff raff, sex sells BS and prove that they can market our traditional pastimes without Viagrafying it's publications.
~R
ps. Put those X-Ray glasses ads in instead and we won't need the girlie images anymore.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

NorCal Cazadora

Thank you for your thoughtful response. Most of us here could care less about booth bait and even less about foul-mouthed blogs elsewhere. Like I said earlier, politicians and journalists (and you seem to be a bit of both) should expect to be flame sprayed when you toss a steaming pile into the room. You never got flamed in Letters to the Editor in your newspaper job?

You seem tough enough to duck hunt so let a little water roll off your back and don't take yourself or me too seriously.

Best regards,
WMH

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

"There you will see the sincere responses of many women who didn't think I was on crack or from Mars to .."

Oh well. Anyone could see that those particular critics are wrong. Everyone knows it's the men who are from mars, and, according to Blondie, some of 'em eat guitars.

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from IowaGuy wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I kind of find it funny, in a sad sort of way, middle age guys getting worked up about pictures of gorgeous 20 year old's holding onto guns. Reminds me of the commercial with the geeky guy searching for "chicks and swords" on the internet. Some guys never seem to grow past sitting in their parents basement with a copy of a magazine their dad had hidden in his workshop.....

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from deanlikes2fish wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Hey, im a Dad, i have 2 girls and a boy. The big issue is not censorship to me. the big deal is me doing my job as a parent, no i know that i am not going to block everything that is out there, but i can try to watch my kids and help guide them along. Booth Babes or not, there is still stuff on all websites i will try to keep away from my kids. So kiss my grits and be a parent.

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from Sidewinder wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

From Ms. Heyser's blog:
"Well, good lord, some of the commenters were talking about what they were doing in front of the computer screens as they looked at those photos, if you get my drift, and F&S just let those comments sit there." For citation:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5478505267875308908&postID=4172...

And I am appalled by Chad Love's blatant ass-kissing of this woman by way of his self-serving citation of his previous entry from F&S Field Notes that he claims as a "vox clamantis in deserto" post earlier in the same blog. Chad may indeed see himself as a "voice crying in the wildnerness" but I do not see it so. He is as free to state his feelings on the matter as I am to cancel my subscription from his magazine. I am sure he will feel it to be a badge of honour.

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from Hobob wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I like looking at beautiful women and the booth babes are beautiful. keep it up every year if you don't like it read another article. Its harmless fun and your reading way too much into it.

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from Judd McCullum wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The boner ads in the back of the magazine still tick me off. I know it's advert money, but come on. Not a great way to hold a new demographic.

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from timmy2bears wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

OK, so re-reading my comments, I do see they were a little harsh. I apologize. But it just ticks me off that this woman was brave enough to come on here (after she was asked to) and thoughtfully argue an unpopular opinion, and the best some people could do was insult her personally. It's just flat mean, and it makes our whole crowd look stupid.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

One of my favorite things to do at SHOT (I didn't attend this year) was go up to these booths where said ladies were and ask a semi-technical question. This immediately separates the Jesse Abbates'(I'm a big fan - she can really shoot) in the world from the Jay Sin's(obvious stage name). I LOVE looking at beautiful women. But I have to say I am ever even more impressed with ones that are the real deal. If said Jay Sin is 'working' where she is at her true (my understanding after doing a google search is that she's a XXX porn queen with something of a following....)place of (ahem) expertise and choosing, it would be far away from a manufacturer of firearms. She's not there because she loves firearms - she's there for the $$$. So it's on her, that manufacturer who hired her, and then in turn whoever publicizes the whole thing.

I understand that sex sells. And let's keep the debate honest - it sells to both men and women. All I am saying is lets have truth in advertising here. If Jay Sin shoots IPSC or sporting clays I applaud her for being there. If not, give us a woman that is honest in what she does. I doubt Jay Sin is an authority on AK47's. However, she probably has seen a gun or two in her time though.

Most things in the media wind up being a 'lowest common denominator' item, whether it's sex, or politics, or whatever. The people selling are going for what is the easiest to digest for those who are buying. It's easy for standards to be too high. It's harder to do the right thing. You be the judge of what's right for you.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Oh . . . good . . . grief. I can't believe we are still taking about this. Maybe it's just because I live at the beach, but from some of the comments on young girls not feeling welcome in the sport because of booth babes, I thought I must have clicked on the wrong gallery. I seriously didn't see anyone other than the bug lady who would raise an eyebrow in most of the puritanical U.S., much less in a European country. If anything keeps young people, male and female, from taking up rod and gun sports, it's lack of access to places to hunt, shoot, and fish. And if women don't feel welcome in deer camps, duck camps, or on charter boats, it just may be because the men there want to relax and have a good time instead of worrying about offending anyone. I don't think you can ever whine your way to acceptance. I'm also sick of the culture of professional victimhood. And I do mean professional. I have my own blog, it is supported by ads, and traffic is money. Every click goes into the site metrics and adds to the marketability. All the visits to Ms. Heyser's site, just like visits to this site, increase its commercial value. If Field and Stream is thinking of adding to this site, what about bringing back the Huntress blog? I enjoyed it quite a lot.

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from Buzzbaiter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Unintended consequences:

Holly's exitement about her increased notoriety is expressed her in her own words on her blog. From this it is apparent that she enjoys the attention. What is not clear is what her expectations were when she decided to hate the story about Booth Babes and feel compelled to write a negative review which included a presumption that fathers lack the ability to use discretion when in the presence of their daughters. The terms she chose to use are well known and have been repeated enough. As a person in the academic and jouralistic profession one might wonder how she would grade her own work. Personalizing the title with 'I hate' would probably not be recommended although I admit to not having any formal training as a writer except for one technical writing class in tech school about 30 years ago. If the premise was to somehow protect preteens from exposure to what she considers an offensive story that would somehow dissuade them from hunting or fishing, I contend that she missed the mark.

My experiences with young people regardless of gender indicate that they will decide for themselves if outdoor sports is something they want to persue and continue with. My two adult daughters occasionally fish and target shoot but choose not to hunt. If they ever change their mind they know they are welcome to join me. I doubt this pictorial article will have much of an effect on any individuals determinations. On the other hand, thanks to her, many 12 year olds that read here have by now clicked on the Manswers link and discovered the virtues of eating beaver during Lent and have increased their knowledge of physics by learning about the distance that boobs travel when women jog a mile (.25 miles according to the 'scientific study')which she finds seriously funny. F&S as well as other publications need to promote their enterprize in order to continue their existence and will not stop employing the use of these kinds of stories that generate this much interest.

No doubt Holly will continue to promote her own self-interest as demonstrated by her blog. Perhaps she will choose her remarks more carefully in the future and consider the unintended consequences.

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from TerriLeePocernich wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Buckhunter,
That's my point exactly I will miss a lot of other good stuff because I choose not to be on a site that showcases booth babes, fishing chicks in bikinis, shed hunters in scanty outfits etc.

I guess it really comes down to respect. I can't respect a site that doesn't respect that fact that women hunters/anglers are offended by the pics. They shouldn't have to justify why they are offended.

I do appreciate your effort though. I will just find another site.

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from IdahoHuntress wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

DakotaDan said "The other side of the calculation is that sporting women do not have a reasonable alternative to F&S"
Thankfully you are quite wrong. I long ago decided to forgo reading F&S due to the sexist content. Too many ads for erections and sex enhancement in the back, female models posing as hunters,half naked women holding fish, ads for pseudo porn calendars (Racks and Women in Waders). I don't need to find a way to 'deal with' the misogyny of the website or magazine. Instead, i looked and found Gray's Sporting Journal. Classy, entertaining, helpful, inspiring, fun to read. And absolutely no sexed up women catering to the men who think that that is what women are for. You also don't find comments like these on their website. Check it out if you want real people talking about real hunting/fishing.

I only found this post because of Holly's blog (thanks Holly!). If some of the vitriolic posters actually cared to do research or site actual research that has been done, instead of espousing their beliefs, they would discover that women and girls are actually put off by such images and this type of representation of women has a negative affect. It also affects the way men perceive and treat women. That should be clear from the comments on this post.

The reality of hunting today is that the numbers are dropping and this type of behavior and imagery does nothing positive to attract people to the sport. I am happy to 'get over it' and stay away from F&S and every time I teach a young person to hunt I'll make sure they know that the magazine and its readers aren't mature enough for them to bother with or be associated with.

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from IdahoHuntress wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

And just to assuage all those who will likely screech something about where are your ;citations of research'. Here are a few...

Adams, N., Schmitke, A., & Franklin, A. (2005). Tomboys, dykes, and girly girls: Interrogating the subjectivities of adolescent female athletes. Women's Studies Quarterly, 33(1/2), 17-34.

Bordo, S. (1997). Never just pictures. In Twilight zones: The hidden life of cultural images from Plato to O.J. (pp. 27-65). Berkley: University of California Press.

Culp, R. (1998). Adolescent girls and outdoor recreation: A case study examining constraints and effective programming. Journal of Leisure Research, 30(3), 356-379.

Evans, E. D. R., Judith, Sather, C., & Turner, C. (1991). Content analysis of contemporary teen magazines for adolescent females. Youth Society, 23(1), 99-120.

Garst, J., & Bodenhausen, G. V. (1997). Advertising's effects on men's gender role attitudes. Sex Roles, 36(9/10), 551-572.

Henderson, K. (2000). Gender inclusion as a recreation trend. In W. C. Gartner (Ed.), Trends in outdoor recreation, leisure and tourism (pp. 17-27): CABI Publishing.

Henderson, K., Hodges, S., & Kivel, B. D. (2002). Context and dialogue in research on women and leisure. Journal of Leisure Research, 34(3), 253-271.

Henderson, K., Winn, S., & Roberts, N. S. (1996, January 12-14, 1996). "Kind of in the middle": Gendered meanings of the outdoors for women students. Paper presented at the Coalition for Education in the Outdoors Third Research Symposium, Bradford Woods, IN.

Kilbourne, J. (1999). Can't buy me love: How advertising changes the way we think and feel: Simon and Schuster.

Lindner, K. (2004). Images of women in general interest and fashion magazine advertisements from 1955 to 2002. Sex Roles, 51(7/8), 409-421.

Roster, C. A. (2007). "Girl Power" and participation in macho recreation: The case of female Harley riders. Leisure Sciences, 29, 443-461.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Hey sgaredneck

I believe you’re on to something there; perhaps everyone needs to listen to Barry Manilow instead of that funky get down!

Some fella just walked by my office window wearing his jeans almost down around his knees. I wonder how hard it would be to train a dog to run up behind and jerking them down!

And here we are worrying about cleavage!

SAY NO TO PLUMBERS CRACK!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Hey sgaredneck, what can I say?
While everyone was in the Bars and strumming guitars, I was out in the woods enjoying nature at its fullest!

Ran into one of those Anti Cigarette folks giving some fella hell behind the counter at the local stab and grab yelling at him saying he is going to die a honorably awful death!

I tell ya' what are we going to with all these people wanting a perfect world!

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from IowaGuy wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Some valid points, Field and Stream is about hunting and fishing. We hunters are becoming a smaller group every year and we need to be doing what we can to welcome and bring in more people to our sport rather.

I want to read reviews about new rifles, pan fishing tips and how to better train my black lab. There are other magazines, or a simple google search, that will give me all the other pictures I want.

I find myself reading Fur, Fish and Game more and more.

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from caseyam wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I'll accept her entire argument if she doesn't allow her 12 year old to listen to pop music such as Taylor Swift or Mylie Cyrus, only allows said child to watch the Disney Channel. If those guidelines aren't followed theh her points are mute. There is far more sex and smut on tv from 5-10pm than there was in the Best of Shots photos.

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Well, I don't get "worked up" about them, but, if you want a look at the new rifle/pistol/shotgun, they're easier on the eyes than a bearded dude with a large belly.

Ever take a look in any of those romance novels a lot of wives read? They have gotten to be just barely disguised "adult reading".

This kind of stuff is everywhere. I don't get upset by either side of it.

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from jamesti wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

i see 12 year old girls walking down the street every day that are wearing a lot less than the booth babes. before you start in on this site about the booth babes, start at home and teach your daughters to dress like a 12 year old and not a prostitute!

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Sidewinder-
Well said, Sir. +1

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from Sharkfin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

ATH1971, are you serious? She DID NOT say she was not offended by the photos. She didn't say she was offended either but she sure did write a lot about why she "had a real problem with F&S posting its 2010 SHOT Show Booth Babe Roundup on this website Wednesday". She starts off saying she's not a prude because she watched "Manswers" then talks about how she doesn't like the booth babes segment. We've all heard this kind of double talk before. For example, who's heard someone say, "I'm not a racist, I've got friends that are black, but..."? Hey, I'm not fat, I'm big boned!!

Your's Truly
BIG FAT SHARKFIN

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from Koldkut wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Valid points.......

But to me it has the vibe that women shouldn't be behind a booth unless they are covered up like amish women. They can't all be ugly. BTW,I would not call all the girls in the booth babes gallery babes.....

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from ATH1971 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Her argument has nothing to do with whether or not the images are offensive to her. The argument, as it is written, objects to using them as the headline feature of a hunting and fishing website because they may alienate an important segment of the readership and a growing part of our community.

If you think she has fooled me with some kind of double-talk, you are wrong. I don't care if people disagree with her, just disagree with what is actually written and not with what you are projecting onto her words.

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from WTXWildlifer wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

We can all argue the in's and out's of this issue till were blue in the face. But the fact is Field & Stream is a company just like the ones who are promoting thier products with these booth babes. Does having the booth babe roundup encourage visitor to thier website? Yes! So Field & Stream is making a business decision to boost sales with booth babes. Does everyone not notice the ads in the back of each issue selling male "enhancement" pills or the better sex videos? They are no different than the booth babes. This goes to show that for Field & Stream, morals are out the window when it comes to attracting visitors to their site.

I am embarrased at the fact that I can't even visit Field & Stream's website or read thier magazine without being exposed to some form of sexual advertising. Every form of media is using this type of advertising, however I would prefer to not see it in Field & Stream.

If you want to look at girls in skimpy clothes visit another site or read other magazines.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

JordanG-
Internet trolls such as yourself is the reason I use a handle, and you sound suspiciously like another troll who haunts this site, known as yo yo. I don't know what it is like to shoot at a buck at 20 feet, obviously you have experience. As to my "misspelled musings", at least my thoughts are my own, and submitted to a public forum whether for praise or criticism. I suppose JordanG is listed in the phone book, and is your actual name. Sorry about moving my lips when I read, I never had the advantages of a liberal, California type education.

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I personally could care less if field and stream runs the booth babes or not, I can see how some women could get offended and some might just get excited. I think the editors sometimes forget there are quite a few women that read this magazine. That was pretty clear when they cancled the huntress blog. I also wonder what your 12 year old daughter is doing on the internet without parental guidance in the first place. As far as my post on the blog goes I stick by it--The Kalishnakov is very very sexy. I do mean the gun.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I remember a story about General George Washington on the Battle field when he stepped into the tent were His Officers having dinner. As he seated Himself with His Officers, vulgar language flew like flies on a road kill. He quietly stood up and said, “Excuse me, I thought I was in the presence of Gentlemen!” and He walked out!

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from cindypiep wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

OK I wasnt going to post, but now I am..each of us as parents has an obligation to instill good values in our children. They will spend a lifetime witnessing good and bad. I agree with iowaguy..lets just leave the booth babes to those who want to look at them and concentrate on our next hunting trips...this is all not a big deal unless we make it one..

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from AustinMartin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Being a 14 y/o boy, all girls I know would look at the booth babes and laugh. I don't know a single one that would want to change her looks just because they saw some girl in a magazine. They see and hear a lot more in school and with friends, it is appalling what I hear on a daily basis at school. Theres worse at every teenage girl sleepover then on F&S.

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from rj serpe wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

in what educated state/states are children allowed to hunt at the age of 6...7...10. Why is it that of the thousands of email readers of F+S, if a FEW do not like it, the rest should be ashamed of themselves, and not allowed to see such material in the future. I am quite sure that in no way was anyone held at gun point and forced to click on the title "booth babes". Anyone could simply ignore it, but perhaps then, on that day, at that moment in time, a few would have absolutely NOTHING to complain about...Let me help you. Spend time arguing about the govt, the lack of education in the country, jobless and homeless, etc. Leave the girls who ARE working to be able to decide what is ok and what is not. And, by the way, the publisher and editor of this magazine is doing a hell of a good job for all its readers.

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from shane wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

"But honestly, if your words are true, and you want to bring in more female hunters then give Holly a full time gig. She is a great writer, a fine huntress. I have been following her blog for some time and I would love to see her work in the mainstream hunting media."

Haha. Nice try.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Well, folks, now that the dust is somewhat settled, and all of the hoopla, hyperbole and hype is somewhat abated, I would direct your attention to some of the quotes I lifted directly off of Ms. Holly A. Heyser's Blog. I'm sure that all of us here who have impressionable teen and pre-teen children and grandchildren want to have such a fine journalistic example as Ms. Heyser writing a column in F&S, as has been suggested by bloggers more than once, since this tempest in a teapot began. Other than the quotes of WA Mtnhunter, and myself, all remarks, and language used, is quoted directly from Ms. Heyser. No attempt has been made to put anything in context, these are just her own words, from her own blog. Mark me down if you wish, -1s do not affect me in the least, but I will stand by my position that it is always a less than attractive feminist who is the most likely to object to attractive women on display, and the first to cry exploitation. This is a new twist in the playbook, that the enjoyment of pictures of attractive ladies, is going to drive away all the young female participants to the shooting sports!
One last note, by way of explanation. If you read all the way to the bottom of the quotes, in the authoress' own words, we were set up. She linked to her own blog, after being provocative, to invite in a reader base that she knew would be sympathetic to her cause. Guess we stuck our own paw in the bear trap!

From NorCal Cazadora. Enjoy.

"Hell, there goes your chance of ever writing for Field & Stream!"

".....and saw the name "Anthony Licata" in my inbox, I must say I just about pissed myself. I know that name, I know that name... That's the editor of Field & Stream. The editor!"

The comments actually start off eerily supportive, but they quickly turn into pretty much what I expected.

WA Mtnhunter: Let's see a photo of the author. That could explain a few things. Just a thought.....

crm3006: WA Mtnhunter- Follow the link to her blog, click on her picture, enlarge it if you dare, ALL IS EXPLAINED!!

"I thoroughly enjoyed having chicks dressed as sluts for my role models. But now it just pisses me off."

"Barf. No, effing barf."

"Personally, I don't get my undies in a twist about it. I know men are biologically driven to open their wallets more easily in the presence of nice tits."

".....acceptable, leading to a whole lot of anorexia and - for those with money, anyway - boob jobs."

"What I'd really like to see is some indication that F&S gives a s**t that YOUNG GIRLS are their readers too. Is anyone out there?"

"....that it's worth pissing us off "

But why did I link? Simple: I hope my readers will leave comments on that "gallery." That way I know F&S will hear from us. And there will be something worth reading in the comments between the unintelligible digital pantings of the teenage boys.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Actually, I did not get the above, overlong compilation of bullsnot in on the first try. One of Ms. Heyser's quotes had to be edited for obscenity.
crm

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from The White Slug wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The problem is that this company is too interested in titilation (believe me, the girls ARE hot) and cranky political diatribe (no matter how accurate). It cheapens the big picture.

JOB ONE is to perpetuate the sports we love. Sweet girls and comments about Hillary's prodigious rear end does NOT, as Mr. Steinbrenner would say "put fannies in the seats". Our wat of life is giving way to video games. The mission is not to placate the folks who already do what we do, but to so enthrall the youngsters and people in cubicles that they YEARN to experience the outdoors. Which is why the vilification of someone like Jim Zumbo, who has stirred the yearnings of many (and may have made a misguided statement), is not only patently un-American, but plain stupid. It is presiding over our own extinction. Great art, great stories, great information, just like the old days...guess I'm dreaming.

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from crinoid wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I think the 12-year-old girl is a bit of a straw man argument. If you read Ms. Heyser's blog, there's consistent subtext about proving oneself and winning competitively in a traditionally man's sport. It seems the post would have been stronger had she argued what, to me, seems the crux of the issue -- which is the genuine challenge she and other women experience in a sometimes sexist and misogynistic realm.

I agree with other posters here about 12-year-old girls. I grew up overseas and am inured to the things which tend to shock other people. My kids don't even blink at nudity or representations of (tasteful) sexuality. Frankly, as an increasingly reluctant fisherman who doesn't hunt, I'd be more upset by my 15-year-old daughter, an animal lover, seeing some of the gruesome hunting images almost all hunting blogs tend post, including Ms. Heyser's blog.

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from Buzzbaiter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I've been reading some previous comments and just have to ask JohnR:

If you say:

"I DON'T LOOK at the booth babe pics, and NEVER HAVE as I have never had an interest in them"

Do you see any contradiction in almost immediately following with writing:

"I JUST LOOKED at the booth babe pics. Aside from possibly two females who may have been chosen because of their obviously large American breasts"

and

"The attire of the booth babes I OBSERVED HERE (with the exception of one or two) however appeared no different than what I see women wearing on a regular basis."

and

"the remaining pictures APPEARED TO ME"

Does there appear to be not only an interest but a very close observance and analysis of the details of female apparel that appears in the story about the Booth Babes and at the mall?

You were probably just peeking for research purposes and the quotes are take out of context, right?

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Morgon: really?

I'm not gay...but then I've never met you.

Of your three comments, you called me gay twice, and the OP a lesbian. Interesting.

I'm talking about standing there with her finger on the trigger. You know, safety and all that boring stuff.

Love ya!!

Amflyer

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from Bob81 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WAM,
You have no problem throwing around your opinion (which you have every right to do), I'll throw around mine. You lecture plenty of people on this site on a daily basis.

If you think this woman is a liberal femi-nazi, you haven't a clue what far-left liberalism or feminism is.

And no, I haven't a clue how little girl's minds work. And that is exactly why you won't find me arguing with Holly, or any other women, on how I know better. If we have a thread on how little boy's minds work, I'll consider myself an authority and argue accordingly.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

By F&S posting this "Boob Babe", I mean, "Booth Babe Roundup" piece it becomes obvious that F&S is not targeting your daughters, my daughters, or women in general. Their editorial decision is calculated to keep us men enticed and entertained so we read more ads on this site and pay for more subscriptions. The other side of the calculation is that sporting women do not have a reasonable alternative to F&S, so, (the editors hope) women will continue to ignore the trash journalism for the quality print that F&S also provides.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

buckhunter

Got one better than that

30-06 is better than the 7mm Rem Mag!

or better yet

338 Win Mag is better than the 300 Win Mag!

But any of the three will do!

EGRESS! BOOOOMMMMM!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

NorCal Cazadora

You’re out of the page approach of David Letterman or better put as the Hunter shot into the cloud of Ducks, spraying and praying for a kill just didn’t set well with us

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

LOL! Sgaredneck, the cure for that condition is Springsteen or, possibly, the Allman Brothers.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

sgaredneck

Had to give Mike a +1 for that one, I've tried to save the world but now I'm just trying to survive instead. Far as the Booth Babes go, my Booth Babe is at home and Man does she spoil me!

If anyone think the advertisements are offensive, go to Germany WOW! It will make you blind!

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Just go away Holly. Your first post presented a skewed analysis, painting the booth babes as "hoochie mamas" and accusing the F&S readership as a whole of making "salacious remarks", and tossing out phrases like; "unintelligible digital pantings of the teenage boys. You have succeeded in dividing the readership, you have brought in sympathetic readership from another blog, as was your intention, to support your position, and start your verbal donnybrook.
You have advocated political correctness on an issue that would not be an issue without you, yourself, making it so. Even though you have somewhat changed your belligerent tone in your second posting, the fact remains, you are a rather foul mouthed and left leaning person. Your attitude screams "I wanna play with the Big Boys, and they have to play by MY rules." Political correctness mixed with militant feminism may play well in California, and your slang terms, soft profanity, and crude metaphors may be acceptable on your blog, but not here. We expect better of visiting ladies who are guest posters. You have succeeded in creating a division in the readership, stirring animosity, and concocting controversy. Now, please, just go away.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Mike,
LOL
I have the mental image of an early SNL skit -the one with Akroyd as Jimmuh Carter doing a call-in interview, and a guy calls in on an acid trip. Jimmuh tells him to not to worry "you just dropped 'orange sunshine' or something and then tells him to mellow out with an Allman Brothers record. Maybe the metaphor here is everyone of age here with the appropriate piece of vinyl go put something on that gets you back to that happy place.

I think the boiled-down thing we can walk away from the article with - that for whatever reason a good many people give a rip about F&S and what image it has.

r/s
S GA

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from TerriLeePocernich wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

On a good note, I learned there are some very nice people who are on this site! Thanks to all of you!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

TerriLee

Welcome! Hope you read/post often! Then you will really find out who the nice folks are for sure.

As the editors of F&S can confirm, we could care less about what they think! They have just been suckered into operating a website for US! LOL

Cheers

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from MD Huntress wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

This is just coporate amaerica's way of playing men. Yes these girls are hot, but they have no idea what they are trying to get you to look at "uh duh like I guess it's works". I understand the concept, I mean it's nothing new (been around a gazillion years and yet men and women both still fall for it). Altough you don't see too many hot guys advertising kitchen appliances, so maybe it doesn't work as well on women. I would be more apt to check out a company that was secure enough with their product to not sink to using the all to often surgically enhanced women to get your attention. If their product was really all that good in the first place it would sell itself. I also agree that it is not appropriate in a setting such as this not just for the young ladies, but the boys as well. These women don't even look like that on the street.(Have you checked out some of the celeb without makeup sites?)There are plenty of other websites for that kind of photojournalism.

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from enoake wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

I find myself more amaised each time I read a comment about how I should accept the auther's point as valid and ignore that the auther is asking to have something censored. I wouldn't buy F&S for the booth babes, but it's something I enjoy. I won't point it out to anyone else regardless of age or gender. And it's not presented in such a way that someone has no choice to avoid it if it offends them. So lighten up, don't sweat the petty stuff & don't pet the sweaty stuff

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from Dakota.Woman wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I'm one of the guys, I'm just not one of the gay guys. But "Booth Babe" articles haven't got one blessed thing to do with hunting or fishing or the great outdoors. Not to mention, lots of women hunt & fish - they just don't talk about it much. I'm a grandma & I'm still chasing some very nifty guys away with a stick so (a) we know I'm not ugly as a mudpuppy & (b) I'm not oooold, & (c)'sexy' ain't only about T & A. More, it's about ability, spunk, & stuff like that. Let's have more articles on interesting things & leave the T & A stuff to some other publication.

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from Douglas wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Great points. I certainly had not thought of this at all.
Thanks for your insight!

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

MLH-
I'm not that low, or shallow. I was looking past the face paint.

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from jcarlin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I for one think this post should have had pictures.

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from silsbyj wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

HOLY FREAKIN CRAP!!!! This is getting a bit ridiculous. If you dont like the pictures then dont click on them and browse through! Jesus, it sounds like a bunch of 2nd grade tattle tales whining because someone didnt do something they liked or thought was appropriate. Get over it people. To me this equals PETA bitching because we choose to hunt....ya know what....worry about what you do a little more and less about what others are doing. Im done.

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from jbird wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

So you're REAL name is jordang? Really? So when someone walks up to you they say "Hey JordanG". Is that supposed to be like "Ali G"? Here's another common perception of people from California; they think they're smarter than everyone else. And you're arrogant ass remarks don't do alot to dispute that. Maybe as you grow a little older, and your testicles drop, you can come to Liberty, Missouri and ask for the "pansie" Jay J. (I've been called jbird since birth jordang). I'm sure it will be a very EDUCATIONAL experience, even for an intellectual such as yourself. How exactly do you pronounce jordanG? Is it jor-DANG?

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from jbird wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Question, why would a 12 year old girl wanting to learn about hunting abd fishing be reading the comments on the booth babe pics? Seems like there's oh, say 1,000 other places on this website to get good info on the "in's and out's" of hunting and fishing than in the 'comments' section of the booth babe pics.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Aw come on jordang, you didn't tell me what I misspelled.
Since I'm such a special case, and all. Hurt my feelings.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

You go girl! I say equal time for equal crime, Where is the Booth Beef! Gonna go all soft porn with the nubile women and all howsabout some nice boymeat to oogle...After all the Hunt is the Hunt and there are Cougar in the woods!

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from Judd McCullum wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The boner ads in the back of the magazine still tick me off. I know it's advert money, but come on. Not a great way to hold a new demographic.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Holly A. Heyser does have a valid point.

The problem I see, there is nobody their who can be asked a technical question of the equipment being offered by the Manufacturers.

Yep" I remember those nights driving coast to coast in a 18 wheeler and listening to the crap on channel 19 about Women and after a couple of minutes I would say one thing and they would shut there mouth. MY WOMAN IS AT HOME! And I don't get off at looking at someones Daughter either!

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from dahlstrommt wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

You have a very good point this is a website that is used for imfromation bout huntin not bout pretty women with guns.

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from Jerry A. wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Wow. My only comment to this whole issue is some people are getting way too worked up about a petty issue. People on both sides. I would expect name calling from children, but not from adults.

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from JD wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

These women were dressed decently, no excessive "skin" at all. Ever gone to a big new car show? Now those young ladies wear things I'd never allow my daughter to wear.These booth workers at SHOT are dressed way more conservatively. In reality some fishing pictures show way more, girls in swimsuits.....OMG!

Hmmmm, I know that lots of teen girls that love sports, and as a matter of fact they read Sports Illustrated. Now wanna talk exploitation Ms. Heyser?

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from Sb Wacker wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

As the chairman of the english chapter of the David E Petzal appreciation society, i feel it's down to me to ask..................

But what would Dave say?

'One of the articles of faith in the shooting industry is that the future of the gunpowder sports will be influenced by women; that for the first time, we’re going to see a real, meaningful influx of female hunters and shooters.

If you go to the SHOT Show, you now see as many women as men, but I don't know if they are they showing up in serious numbers at ranges and in hunting camps.

What do you see happening? If they aren’t coming into shooting and hunting, why not?

And if there are any women reading this blog, I’d appreciate it if you would step forward now and be counted.'

Yep he really did.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/pages/where-are-women

SBW

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Wan t to have a good laugh, listen to my VHF & UHF Ham radio. The language at McDonald's between the Women folks on there headsets. After I pay for my order and roll up to the next window, I'll turn up the volume and repeat what they they said and watch them do a meltdown!

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from fitch270 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Ms. Heyser makes a valid point on this blog, but after checking out hers, I think she needs to come down off her high horse. Her language is far more vulgar than any of the photos she has issues with.
Besides, what responsible parent is going to let their 12 year old surf the web unsupervised?

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from JohnR wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I'm getting in here late (been away for a few days).
There were some good points made by quite a few posters above and I understand the point that Ms. Heyser is making however (and that's a big however) Ms. Heyser should chose her battles a little more carefully.
I don't look at the booth babe pics, and never have as I have never had an interest in them (yes I'm a straight male).
If one is going to complain about the booth babe pics, then it would logical and consistent to complain about other publications and blogs that do the same such as the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.
I just looked at the booth babe pics. Aside from possibly two females who may have been chosen because of their obviously large American breasts (remember the Czech bros. from SNL), the remaining pictures appeared to me to be average looking women, tastefully dressed. I cannot say that they were dressed as such for the whole show, but we are talking about the pictures of them that were posted on this blog.
Unfortunately I have seen 12 and 13 year old girls at the mall dressed (or undressed if you will) much more suggestive than most of the booth babe pics.
Don't get me wrong; I think it's kind of cheesy to use women as a means to attract possible buyers for a product. The product should be of a quality and price to stand on its own merits to attract buyers.
I would agree with Ms. Heyser had the booth babes been less tastefully attired. The attire of the booth babes I observed here (with the exception of one or two) however appeared no different than what I see women wearing on a regular basis.

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

LOT LIZARD ALERT!

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Doing building maintenance over the years the nastiest writings on the walls are in the womens restroom!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Have you noticed how teenage girls going to school are dressed, guess you will not be hearing them complaining about that.

Bottom line

Yes I would rather have some Lab Coat person at the show who knows the product

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

How does the disclaimer read?

Girl (batteries) not included!

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from JD wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Danahuntress,

great post, says it all...

As I mentioned many,many posts earlier, has anyone actuallly looked at these so called "babes"? Pretty,yes; but nothing overtly sexually revealing or provocative.

As I also said, look at the new car shows, they are much greater examples of "babes" in that context, with their skimpy dresses and "perfect" looks. And like I said, what about Sports Illustrated's swinwear issue (or only body paint), now that's exploitive.

My ideal woman is someone who looks great even in camo, makes me proud if she beats me in trap or in the field, and understands what a "rack" is, hanging on the wall next to her turkey fan mount by the fireplace as we curl up together warmed by the fire. Now she's my babe!!

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

As you said, lovely ladies are hired to promote the products at the SHOT show. All of these reports and photos are for those of us who cannot attend the show.
I appreciate the pics of $20,000 shotguns as well as the ladies. It is human nature to admire that which is unattainable.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Clay Cooper

Your comment: "Have you watched the Outdoor or VS Channel? You will Women in camo and doing the same thing the Men are doing and most of the time if not more doing it better!"

Doing what better? You are being quite patronizing and it is not very becoming on you. I have never seen a woman do anything "better" on a hunting show, equal yes. Well maybe better, Tiffany does a great job putting her husband down on their show quite regularly and that's why I don't watch it anymore.

Over and out.

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from SD Bob wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Through her writing, Ms. Heyser gives the reason why Field and Stream publishes the booth babes and why they'll probably continue in the future: 91% of hunters are male. The magazine publishes content aimed at it's target audience and lets not kid ourselves into thinking it's lady hunters let alone 12 year old girls. If you don't like the booth babe's, it's very simple....don't look at them! There are far more lude and inappropriate visuals seconds away on the very computer we all are reading this on, that if a fully clothed booth babe is of grave concern, lock out Field and Stream's web site so the aforementioned young girls can't see the naked fish either.

Do you suppose that Sports Illustrated gets hammered every year by those who oppose the swim suit issue?

Lastly, with so many posts, I only read the first 20 or so, so if I stole someone's thunder? I must be remiss!

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

"I am not someone who frequents this site or subscribes to this magazine."

Then it doesn't matter that much what you think of an article you wouldn't read or a photo gallery you wouldn't see, does it?

I have been offended before, and Lord willing I will be again, but I would not cross the street or otherwise go out of my way to do so.

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from TerriLeePocernich wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

TheArmchairOutfitter,
"I am not someone who frequents this site or subscribes to this magazine." What I should have added was...but I would like to.

I wasn't going out of my way to be offended or offend anyone else. I was here because I think it is an awesome site with quality articles, but I wanted to share why I don't come here.

I thought maybe some insight about how women really feel about such things, would help to grow the site not tear it down. But I guess "It doesn't matter that much what you think of an article you wouldn't read or a photo gallery you wouldn't see, does it?"

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from Bob81 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

CRM and WA Mtn,
C'mon guys. She isn't calling us all perverts, mysogynists, knuckle draggers or even saying that "booth babes" should be eliminated from trade shows. She isn't claiming girls are irreparably harmed from seeing a picture of a girl in a bikini or that we are sickos for looking at them and enjoying it. All she said is that if we are trying to attract more people into the hunting community including young girls, a bunch of (probably mostly middle-aged guys) sitting around the on-line forums and talking about how hot these women are isn't gonna help things.

I'm sure you will continue to argue that she is being overly pc and that these pictures don't matter to little girls. Interesting then that almost every women who has written in has agreed with her. Would you like to argue that you know how little girls minds work better than asomeone who used to be one?

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from JD wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

My compliments to those sportswomen that took the time to respond. All the female responses showed restraint from the name calling and kept their sights squarely on the issue we are discussing.
I am sure that your collective voices have been heard by the publishers and merit serious consideration.

It's obvious that this has been a stressful time for many readers due to the major recession lingering on and expenses rising out of proportion to income (if any). That and a full moon sure can result in some "interesting" responses. Maybe everyone needs to step back and take a deep breath, that thankfully is still free.

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from JD wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

After all, those pink guns are marketed to the young women, see how many are at your dealer's shelves. Lots!

We need to be more united on all issues involving our sport, that is where strength lies! Plenty of anti's out there, no need to divide our ranks. I have trained several young women into the shooting sports, all were great learners and displayed skills beyond their years, especially safety related skills. If you invite them they will come. Make it non-intimidating and they will surprise you.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

When Times Mirror Corp. owned the magazine there were male virility type drugs advertised.

A more recent addition to the F&S advertisers is the ad for AdamandEve.com. They basically sell sex toys. It's hard to shock me but this ad did. I would have to say most would agree it distasteful and should not be in the magazine.

But where do you draw the line? I am sure there are folks out there equally disturbed with the alcohol and tobacco ads found in the magazine so what factors do the Editors consider when accepting an ad?

Well, based upon the Adam and Eve ad it think the only requirement was that they pay their bill. I would only hope it was a tough decision that helped save a job at F&S.

Not to shoot off on another tangent but did anyone read the January issue? Did anyone read Mccafferty's story on Corbett or Heaveys story about the Outdoorsman Challange? Masterful to say the least and yet we spend out time questioning the social ramifications of the Booth Babes?

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from Jacee wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Walt, I sure do wonder about Kim... hope she is doing well. I think this discussion has shown that women and men do think differently, which is why the Huntress blog was such a great resource. Too bad the F&S editors didn't think so! I can't ever remember folks accusing me(or others for that matter) of being a ugly liberal lesbian feminazi faker there... guess we did have a heated discussion about hunting on Sundays but nothing like this! It certainly makes it difficult to get ladies to speak up and get involved when they are attacked for sharing thier opposing views. (I realize that is not everyone, nor was it entirely everyone's intention.) We can all agree to disagree and learn from each other in a respectful way, right?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Mike,

The fact that you have walking-around knowledge of quotable lyrics from Blondie songs speaks volumes......

Get help somewhere, brother.......LOL

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WMH,

This is a real question, and not meant to start this whole thing up again: You mentioned a "Steaming Pile" thrown into the room. What specifically did you find distasteful about here views, opinions and comments?

Again, if there was a "not-passive-aggressive" emoticon and I knew how to use those blasted things, I would put one at the end of my post.

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

as for Shot show an the Booth Babes...Alas Icant afford either.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

John Anderson,

I didn't attend SHOT this year due to the cost, so I know where you're coming from.

Clay,
???????????????????
Barry Manilow??????..........I don't think I'd 'a told that.....

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

SSSHHHHHH!! be very very quiet, we be huntin wabits!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

WAM +1 for'ya!

I wonder if all women wear burka's would make Holly feel better and what about the public swimming pool

I don't care about Gentlemen Clubs or Bars. Cannot stand cigarette smoke and what goes on in those places, nothing but trouble and I run a dry camp. But you will not hear me complaining about it.

Welcome to America!

Every once in a while someone does something STUPID and that's ok.

Just don't abuse the privilege!!! LOL!

“False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. They ought to be designated as laws not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts, and not by thoughtful consideration of the inconveniences and advantages of a universal decree.”

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from mop4pom wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Let's see a photo of the author. That could explain a few things. Just a thought.....

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from straightshooter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The author makes some valid points.

Maybe I'm getting older but, personally, pictures of a young gal in skimpy clothes isn't that big a deal any more. Now, a picture of an attractive, intelligent woman who obviously knows how to shoot the gun she is holding is another thing.

Shoot, I might even be willing to vote for her for president.

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from Bellringer wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

The Booth Babes are a legitimate marketing tool, I suppose the Mercury car commercials turn women customers away too.

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from jbird wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! FIELD & STREAM should concentrate ALL it's future articles and coverage w/ the single goal being to attract more 12 YEAR OLD GIRLS! Cuz that's what sells magazines. All of the pics on this site, and all the blogs/reviews/stories should be presented for the 12 year old girls. I'm sure the web traffic and magazine subscriptions will just SKYROCKET! But its OK, even when readership plummets, and the website is shut down, we'll have the satisfaction of knowing we sacrificed it all for those 12 year olds! What a crock of sh**!

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from Sharkfin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Jordang, you mental midget, you tried to come across as more intelligent than the rest of us knuckle draggers but your base stupidity took over and you could not resist throwing insults. Throwing them like a girl at that. So you want to know who I am? I tell you what, you tell me exactly where to find you and I'll tell you where to find me.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

jordang-
Hard name to spell, ain't it. Alas, only the jordangs of this world are perfect......

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Tried to post a comment over on that other site but it wouldn't let me and good thing it didn't.

After reading timmy2bears and a few others, I was under the impression I would be in the presence of Ladies and Gentlemen, sadly I was mistaken!

Slow to anger is a good virtue!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Well, I did leave a comment over there, they may not like it, but I did!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Oh Yeah,

Madame Heyser is such the lady as she starts her Blog page with "...when I saw Anthony Licata's name in my inbox, I almost pissed myself".

Wow! What a journalist ! I'm not sure you should entrust your 12 year-old daughters to the likes of her either. All you pantywaist social nerds can kiss my grits! You make me laugh!

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Lets see how they react over in NOCAL ?

Moishe,

After reading both sides of the argument, I thing there is way too much emotion and little thinking in the comments. ONBOTH sides. Lighten up Folks
January 30, 2010 8:16 AM

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Bella

As the saying goes

Two wrongs don't make it right!

Also' it's not the person who throws the first punch who gets into trouble, it's the one who trows the second gets all the attention!

Like said earlier, Bella I know your going to shift the subject, ignore the facts and as usual when both fail you go into name calling!

I'm not going to lower myself down to yours!

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Lighten up folks, the Booth babes had more clothes on than I live in! people I have seen in public in the small burg I live in the only difference is THEY don't weigh between 250-300 lbs.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter-
Chill out dude, and read the blog posts! You and I are famous!ROTFLMAO!

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter-
Don't know what it means, actually nothing to me, but our compiled +1s equal a combined total of 45. Negatives are too far down for my mathematically challenged brain to count. again, ROTFLMAO!!
crm

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from Amflyer wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Say what you want, but the person from American Tactical booth would get their ass thrown off my range if she ever pulled that stance with me around.

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

So what are we going to call this since "Desperate House Wife" the show already exists!

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Perhaps they can get Chip & Dales there next time

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Jacee I'm going to respond to you because you sound to be a stable person and knowing what reality is and above all the children exposed to.

I'm not a wordsmith but I'm going to give a shot. If you take a picture of one moment of time, that picture maybe condemning. If you had a video, you would get the entire story.

Have you watched the Outdoor or VS Channel? You will Women in camo and doing the same thing the Men are doing and most of the time if not more doing it better!

Bottom line

I belie this subject got out of hand and became a shouting contest. One thing I have learned is when one raises there voice, the conversation is over!

This month, Mary and I have known each other for ten years and in a couple of months will be our tenth Anniversary. We have been thru a lot of hardships and never have we taken our anger out on the other. With everyday, our relationship s that much stronger.

Any how, welcome Jacee to the other side and feel free to harass, heckle or just stop by and join in!

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Thanks for the quote, Clay. That made me laugh.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

TerriLee

I for one would like to have you join the crowd here. Yeah, some of us are a little rough around the edges and don't mind a good scrap once in a while, but for the most part we respect the gals who hang out here.

I'll go so far as to apologize for any and all the clods and their less than sensitive remarks!

WMH

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from Bob81 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

"I am beginning to think you guys just want to fight not find solutions."

LoL! WAM, I think we've been figured out. ;)

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Also, why was I unable to post my comment directly to the BB Roundup responses?

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Terri,
These boys are not fighting... yet. If you really want to see them get dirty just tell them you think the 30.06 is better than the .270. Then run.

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Makes ya wonder what ole Kimmy Hess is up to now-a-days??

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

buckhunter

Better get a bodyguard LOL!!!!

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from deblack wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

well,okay i was not going to leave a comment but i am, i am 52 years old i have a 13 yr old grandaughter, just my thoughts upon this. actually there was not as much stuff like this when my 3 kids were that age.
just like the one coment said- you've got to teach them-(like leave something for the imagination)-about values, it will be out there.(i just turned around and heard that stupid commercial on enhancement)i will just change channels, as for that-i don't think that is a good idea of an add anywhere! you reaaaaaaallllly wouldn't want to know why?
if it got under my skin to bad i would boycott, there is such a thing!
as for the Booth Babes,like one comment said they may be all of 25(if not 20) gosh, i remember when i weighed 105 just last year!!
i really don't know what surprised me the most the Booth Babes, the way you all have acted or them Stupid people that ARE taking pics off of the internet to use as their own in the TRAIL CAM CONTEST!!
HOLLY ROCK ON.......!!! My motto when i turned 50 "whateverrrrrrr" my moma always told me that was gonna get me in trouble one of these days so whatever LOL

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I got to second WAM and a +1!

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I am trying to find something I hate on this site so I can get a guest editorial and drive traffic to my blog. It will run right after next week's guest editorial from PETA, "Why I Hate Pictures of Dead Animals."

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Now can we put this one to bed?

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from TerriLeePocernich wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Just for the record, the person who told me about this article was not Holly nor from her blog. It was a male friend in the industry with whom I have had this discussion a few times and is a member of this site. He sent the link to me knowing I would bristle.

As for the comment to Holly... "You have succeeded in dividing the readership, you have brought in sympathetic readership from another blog, as was your intention, to support your position, and start your verbal donnybrook."

and

"We expect better of visiting ladies who are guest posters. You have succeeded in creating a division in the readership, stirring animosity, and concocting controversy."

Hmmmmm,I think the editors here at F&S asked her to share. Maybe that was THEIR intention. There is only one thing that sells better than sex. Controversy + sex. Congrats to F&S for a very successful marketing ploy. You suckered me in.

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from Chrisf7469 wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

I would like to see more clothes on these women!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

Ran out of cleaning supplies so I made a run to Wal-Mart tonight. I got to tell'ya, talk about a freak show, WOW! If we worried about the whack jobs I seen tonight as the Booth Babes, we are in deep trouble!

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from Wycked wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

So I got a call from JCPenny's asking me if I was intested in insurance...INSURANCE!?WTH...I told them if I want socks, I go to JCPennys, if I want insurance I'll call Allstate....
Now you maybe asking, "Where is he going with this"?
Here it is:
If I want to learn, know, read about hunting...I go for F&S. If I want hot chicks, I go for Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition. And to further this topic, I REALLY, REALLY, get frustrated when you have some "hot chick" selling products that she knows NOTHING about! I have questions, and here is some 19 yr old girl who hasn't touched a gun in her life let alone be able to answer ANY questions about the optics on the scope! This also applies to boat shows, RV shows, and sportsman shows.

OK, I'll step off now.

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from bigbasser wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

If I enter a booth, then I am interested in the product itself. I'd rather talk to ole crusty than someone who does'nt have a clue. But the babes are sure good to look at, given the fundamentals of nature. You can look but don't touch, and be respectful. In this day and age, the booth babes need a job too.

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from huntnow wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

great argument, i'm going to my mechanic to ask him to take his pinups and hot rods calender down right now. i'm sure he'll be sold too.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter-
Follow the link to her blog, click on her picture, enlarge it if you dare, ALL IS EXPLAINED!!

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from Sidewinder wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

JordanG: While it may be true that there are conservative "enclaves" in California, when taken and judged on balance the state (as you have admitted) is leftist. As for "fondling myself while listening to Glenn Beck" I don't listen to the guy. I can't stand him. Of course, you're unlikely to let a fact get in the way of a rant.

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from silsbyj wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

So..Whats everyone doing this weekend?

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from Hunter Savage wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

i find it funny your whining about the booth babes here in public domain ,when you can see much more on the beach in the summer in PUBLIC. now i say if you want to carry the torch for some thing how about picking it up for all the. ( E N H A N C E M E N T ) adds in the back of this darn magazine or should i just tear the pages out so the kids dont see them ?

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from hengst wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

CRM and WA Mtn. Check out the blog ..you are famous guys now...Ya'll kill me :)

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from itzkat wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Anthony, thank you for stepping in and reminding the readers to stick to the dicussion and that personal attacks have no place here. But honestly, if your words are true, and you want to bring in more female hunters then give Holly a full time gig. She is a great writer, a fine huntress. I have been following her blog for some time and I would love to see her work in the mainstream hunting media.

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from Steve Marlin wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Man - this is way to close to the type of discussion that risks pulling the curtain down between my escape into my passion for the outdoors and real life politically correct B.S. that drives me there.

Who wants to talk about their favorite targets to shoot?

I like the paper target with sticky peel off tape on the back - anyone like that?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

And I still take issue what was said about Sir David Petzal's Daughter!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

timmy2bears

You and your kind really crack me up! I could give a rip about booth babes. In fact, I had rather talk to some fat bald guy that knows his product than some over made-up model wannabe. LOL

As for the insults: So what? You are big and brave and Johnny Badass behind the cover of your computer! I'll bet the next round you would not hurl that insult in person. No threat, just fact, Jack.

As for my post: I stand by my insinuated opinion that in most cases, the less attractive the woman, the more complaints about eye candy. And I could really give a rat's posterior what you or any other weasel on this or Norcal Cazadora's blog thinks or writes! LMAO

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

timmy2bears

Apologize for the comment about our wives being fat pigs or I still owe you as ass kicking....

Say what you want about me, but leave my wife and my dog out of it, OK?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

O'Bella, there you go again!

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Sorry laptop skips I am always conservatively dressed except when hunting,fishing or swimming. 8^0

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I've been enjoying this from the sidelines as well. Much of the material has been beat to death but no one has mentioned this...

Woman love to be noticed.

Whether it's a booth babe, DU banquet hostess, swim suit model, or an attractive 45 year old woman (props to my wife) woman WANT to be noticed especially if they have a rockin body.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

There are two types that leave themselves open to jabs, insults, and ridicule: Politicians and journalists. Write your bull$h1t on here and standby for flame spray!

As a recovering newspaper writer (recovering from what we don't know) Ms. Heyser appears to be a foul mouthed, liberal journalist, who probably can't keep a job. What we do know is that there are a bunch of feminized and neutered steers on here that are probably running late for their salon tanning, botox treatment, or pedicure at this very moment spewing their guilt venom on the blog. I'll bet she voted for Pelosi and Obama, too.

Since I didn't initially insult any of you feminazi's, I don't expect your crap either. But since I placed myself in the position of "journalist" by posting on the blog, have at it you freaks.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

All this hoopla reminds me of those who go to Military Air Shows and complain about the Air Craft Nose art, especially the WWI and WWII Fighters and Bombers. Then there the Feminazi's who complained about the urinals in the Mens restroom and had the University remove them.

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from M1jhartman wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I think parents need to be more concerned with what they are doing in their children's lives than what goes on at Field and Stream or anywhere else for that matter. If your twelve year old daughter starts acting in a way that you don't like blame yourself, not Field and Stream. Just what this world needs is yet another Californian attempting to thrust their opinion upon the rest of us.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Terri,
Don't judge this site and it's participants by this one thread. Hang around for awhile. We also talk a lot about guns, bows, fishing tackle...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

@ Mike Diehl

Thank you, sir. From you, that's quite the compliment (seriously, not tongue in cheek).

@Clay Cooper

Not that your question posed has anything at all to do with the subject or my response, but I will give my sincerest answer to:

"Tell me Sir, how many young people have you taught to shoot?"

Well Sir, I have taught hundreds, if not thousands, of young men who may have never picked up a rifle before the finer points of marksmanship with M-16's, M-2 Brownings, M-60 machineguns, M1911 .45 ACP, TOW Anti Tank Weapons, Dragon AT missiles, and many Communist bloc weapons to boot. I did not have the opportunity to teach young women (other than my wife) how to shoot since back in the day women were not allowed in combat units. I am confident, however, that America's young women can be taught to excel in marksmanship just as well as men. Yes, some gals may be easier to teach, but that is a very broad stereotype you fling out there.

Unfortunately, I have not kept track of all those guys, but perhaps one of them won a few shoots at Camp Perry. I like to think that they shot their way out of a jam in a firefight on some distant battlefield should that need have arisen.

Jacee, TerriLee, Bella and all the other outdoorswomen on here usually get all the respect that they deserve from 99% of the posters. Just don't be condescending and patronizing by saying that the gals on TV do it better than men. In fact, that is not a very high standard since most of those shows are canned anyway. And don't defend some creepo who writes a venomous blog, makes your slip show....

I'm surprised you didn't come out with your famous "Hold my trophy while I kiss your girlfriend" line... LOL

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WAM, this is where you and I differ, you think of winning while I think about enjoying. You know what it is like to show up to a shooting match and people starting packing their gear to leave including the Marine Team from Camp Pendleton. I’d rather pass knowing I would win and to assist and to loan my gear than to turn people away. You should take some lessons from my Grandson Alex age 10; He will tell you it’s not what you come home with, its how you enjoyed it! Nothing is worse than being out with an ego driven individual slamming doors, throwing gear around and cussing up a storm.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Reguired disclaimer: This opinion does not constitute legal advice. Please consult an attorney licensed to pratice in your jurisdiction. Wear sunscreen, protective eyewear, and hearing protection. Buckle your seatbelt. Call your mother.-The Armchair Outfitter

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Bob81

I humbly apologize for my remarks made to you above. I hastily read your post and fired off a not-so-polite response.

My only arguments have been with the less than coherent and non-topical responses from other posters. I have not flamed nor insulted any of the lady sportswomen on here or anywhere else who have not thrown a flaming kettle into the room first.

BTW, I'll whizz on Clay Cooper's shoe anytime I please! LOL He never misses mine!

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Got looking for what NorCal Cazadora said and for a Journalism professor I would expected better language. I guess those two tracks one one each side of the foot steps to the duck blind wasn't a decoy sled after all

I think she is jealous, talks about passers-by can see their abundant cleavage, is that some kind of equipment needed to hunt with? Perhaps we need to pitch in so she can get a pair of abundant cleavage what do you all think?

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from fitch270 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Has anyone else noticed in all this not one 12 year old girl has posted yet?

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Clay, Clay, Clay, you are living on the edge. In all fairness I have included a photo of myself for the ladies to ridicule. Please take it easy girls. It's just how I was born.

http://bearmythology.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/burt-reynolds-directtv-...

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from Long Run Fishin... wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I simply refer to the Booth Babes in a Technical/marketing term...aka..Traffic Enhancers!

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

By all means Terrylee come back often.

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from enoake wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

I find myself more amaised each time I read a comment about how I should accept the auther's point as valid and ignore that the auther is asking to have something censored. I wouldn't buy F&S for the booth babes, but it's something I enjoy. I won't point it out to anyone else regardless of age or gender. And it's not presented in such a way that someone has no choice to avoid it if it offends them. So lighten up, don't sweat the petty stuff & don't pet the sweaty stuff

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from MLH wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

I just looked at the Booth babes photo gallery for the first time. Some of them are a bit trashy looking to me and not all that hot. Not exactly America's finest girls next door. Maybe we could get one to dye her hair orange???

To all you horndogs, what ever cranks your tractor! LOL

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from OttoLodr wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I do not like the Booth Babes article or any other article in which women are used as bait. I dislike being distracted by skin, just show me the product or the article.

And yes I am a guy, and I am straight.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Dakota.Woman

Well put. I could not agree more!

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from alabamaoutlaw wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I live close to the beach so i have become as immune to bikinis as i guess a man can get if you can get that way. But i don't buy anything from them but a carwash for a charity and we have those too.They don't bother me i didn't look at them for on reason we don't icefish where i live so i didn't need to waste time flipping through the pages.Now if they had been selling boatrods or new saltwater reels i would have looked butthey weren't.I've seen enough bikinis to last me awhile,if i need a fix i'll just run by the beach and look at the real thing.but not the orange haired ones.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

crm3006

I rest my case.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

here we go again, Bella is in the gutter again! I was expecting something more intellectual

Glad Alex (age 10) isn't here, he like to read F&S

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Licata

You're just mongering for readership. it's not very becoming.

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from bennyfreeze wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Think about how you all look down on Middle Eastern cultures, how oppressive those Persian societies are to women. Are we so different? You might say, "It's the woman's choice to appear in this advertisement or booth". Is it, really? A culture ingrains certain activities and habits. This is self perpetuating. Men create the demand for this, and they supply that demand. I'm currently in Iraq, and men in America have no idea how similar they act to men in the middle east.

F&S, knock off the BS. 30 years ago, you were a better magazine. I read the old magazines, you have gone downhill. You really think that 30 years from now someone will try and buy one of your current magazines as an antique? Realize that much of the information traded on your website today doesn't come from your authors. The website simply facilitates the flow of information from hunter to hunter.

While I read F&S, I love Fur Fish and Game. Never have they failed to produce quality articles about the sports I love without offending a demographic, save for the PETA folks and whatnot. Also, they have less advertisements.

Get off your high horses and realize that your daughter might one day be in a girls gone wild video.

WA Mtnhunter...you're ugly as sin. Inside and out. That's coming from a straight dude. Not all the big game hunting in the world should make you feel like a man. You've lost touch with what it means to be an outdoorsman and an American. Much of America has, actually.

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from Paul Wilke wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I see two choices;
1: no more booth babes.
2: some booth buddies.
Try either of those choices at the next show, and see what happens.
In the mean time shut up!

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Paul Wilke, GOOD Comment! We all need to lighten up in this.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Oh Clay, you do go on...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

crm3006

I agree!

WMH

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter

Tell me Sir, how many young people have you taught to shoot?

I find the Women folks easier to teach, in fact one Teenage Student went on for tryouts for the Olympics.

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from Sb Wacker wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Interesting.

Does anyone else here still read the print edition?

I'm looking at page 8 of the Jan 2010 edition

In a piece about the way fishing is co-opted to sell products that are not fishing related a young woman holding a fishing rod wearing underwear and a silly hat is described as 'committing what's practically indecent exposure'

So it's 'practically indecent exposure' if Victoria's Secret print pictures of their products in use?

It would seem that a similar dress code is not considered to be indecent at a trade show or on the F&S website?

SBW

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Has anyone seen Neal Boortz optical allusion on his web page?

If you look really carefully after a few seconds you'll be able to see an ice cream sundae in this photo.

http://boortz.com/more/optical_illusion.html

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Well, if F&S is such a sexist low life rag, why do any of you bother to read it? I really skip over the male enhancement and ED cure ads in the back or anywhere else I see them. All the media outlets hawk the stuff. TV is bombarded by those ads. The only thing more prolific are the credit card debt relief ads.

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from HUNT OHIO wrote 4 years 10 weeks ago

Good story, but the truth is if I am not out hunting, chating up some of these babes comes in second. Everybody needs to remember if you dont like what you see than dont look.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

it would take a month to read all the responses to this story. read some of them though and they were entertaining. i wonder if this woman has ever seen some of petzal's picture posts? probably not. her closet feminist ass would have died of apoplexy by now. booth babe photos were very mild, especially when you compare them with photos from any modern teen magazine. come on lady. lighten up.

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from boothbabeconfessions wrote 4 years 1 week ago

Wow...so much hate for booth babes. Well, I don't like bitter women who hunt for spot. There.

www.boothbabeconfessions.com

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from mexslysyn wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

I really like hunting and fishing, this article is very inspiring to me
NEWS

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from Jehnifer Quinn wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

I appreciated the insight on the article. I like to hear women who have a tone of reason when it comes to the reality of "what sells" but also address where and where it isn't appropriate.

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from mop4pom wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

the adverage age that kids start having sex now is 12! . . . . Maybe some of you need to work on parenting. You don't complain to the car magazine about the pictures there, yet I bet you drive. You don't complain about the ED ads and you don't volunteer to have you/your wife's picture here instead, so can you just leave poor guy whose job it is to write these articles alone? please. Lets all get along and leave the complaints to PETA.

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from blackdawgz wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Women are naturally jealous and extremely competitive. So we expect this kind of comment. If you "accept" it, then no comment is necessary. Who cares, anyway? People who want porn will go to the porn websites. Everybody else is going to look at what they want, and it will not likely be the Shot Show models. But I am an old Marketing Major. We were taught that, even if something offends the heck out of somebody, that eventually wears off, and that person will unknowingly and unwittingly purchase the associated product, just because they remember it. This is Marketing. Protect yourself at all times! This is a great website, run by intelligent folks.

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from morgon wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I don't think I ever disagreed with an editorial as much as Hollys (sans the gun control nuts). Perhaps F&S could add the:
"Good Editorial? Yes | No | Report"
at the bottom of these too. Nice to see the lesbians are also able to once in a while get out in the fields and streams hunting though.
Keep the chicks coming!

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Jacee-
Who would you rather your daughter was influenced by, some of the men posting here, or Holly A. Heyser?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

+1 atya, WA Mtnhunter.

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from crm3006 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Bob81-
Like WA Mtnhunter has said, I have no need to be lectured by you. My opinions are my own, and if you took the trouble to read my posts, I have previously stated that I object more to the overly sensitive PC concept than anything else. Ms. Heyser chose to single out the two of us for pointing out that she is not as physically attractive as the Booth Babes she protests so about, under the guise of driving away female readership. As to what she did or did not call us, if you are literate, you may draw your own conclusion. Having taken the trouble to click on some of the user names and profiles, most if not all came from Ms. Heyser's blog, and are first time, never before seen users, who came here because of the provided link.
One thing you will find in none of my posts, is any language such as is quoted from Ms. Heyser's blog. You won't find insults about their physical appearance, or low comments regarding their spouse, nor any thinly disguised profanity toward any of the many Howlers of Protest who chose to single me out for my comments. Nor, did I back up and pander to the opposition. You, sir, are welcome to shut your pie-hole and leave my name off your keyboard.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I think if you are seriously trying to shelter a 12 year old from boothbabes in outdoor life you need to not let them be in sports either. They might see a cheerleader with a skirt on. You better look at all your mail so they can't look at a clothing magazine that might have a picture of someone in their underwear. You better not let them watch tv, because they may see a fruit of the loom commercial. Better not let them out of the house or your sight.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

One other thing. If it would make the women feel better, the publishers can have some men posing with their shirts off holding guns and such and I promise I won't cry about it. I won't starve myself because I don't have a sixpack other than budweiser. I won't think that the women who comment about it are sexist or anything else.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Hey WAM

You figure out how little girls' mind work, you will make millions $$$ LOL!

As for the "Liberal Feminazi's", don't get me started!!!

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from jbird wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

TerriLee,
If this site is overy-offensive to you, I can't imagine how you ever leave the house or turn on the television. I think F&S is the best outdoor hunting magazine, and the best website, with tons of great tips and reviews, and good stories to boot. If a few pics of girls drives you away from that, so be it. If your as good at hunting/fishing as you are at whining, you probablty don't need the info this site has to give anyways.

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from Zermoid wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Instead of griping about men doing what is inherently in their nature, ex. looking for good looking women, why not gripe at the women who in your opinion display too much skin, I hear there are plenty on most beaches, so why don't you get a good supply if those nice 1910 wool swimsuits and go talk some of those repugnant females into wearing "proper" attire.

That should keep you out of our hair for about 20 years......

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from morgon wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

More saying what I want Amflyer. I think it's GREAT "you people" have your own range but one has to wonder what "you people" use for targets.8-)) For more DISGUSTING VIEWS of Bonnie Huseby, you can go here:

http://www.deangirl.com/contestentry/show/638

You see something retched, I see a future ex wife I'll have to give another house to.

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from morgon wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

OK, I'll say what I want......Amflyer, it's nice to see the gay men can get outdoors too and hunt something besides each other. :-b

Is Bonnie Huseby too intimidating for you?

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from JordanG wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Awww, jbird...Did I hit a nerve? Way to rewrite what I said and turn it as a swipe against me. It must be tough being so witty and clever.
I would come to Missouri, but I enjoy not peeling my sack from my leg every three seconds.
I never claimed to be an intellectual, but thank you for validating my existence.
And whatever you'd like to refer to me as is fine by me, just learn to spell (pansie, you're, alot).

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Bob81

Don't lecture me, Jack. I'm not arguing for or against booth bait or PC. You will not find one shred of me even saying that. I could care less what Heyser thinks and don't need some liberal feminazi telling the rest of us what to think.

If I haven't figured out how my beautiful wife of 38 years' mind works, I stand no chance of figuring out how little girls' mind work. Maybe you do?

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from JordanG wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Excuse me...Heyser's name. What's that about glass houses?

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from TJ wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

Anyone herd about poop, people offended by offended people. They aren't breaking any laws, hurting anyone, or infringing on any of your rights. Relax, if you don't like it take your business elsewhere.

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from JordanG wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

crm3006, just Heyer's name a few ways. But I left out a word in my tirade against you...No one is perfect.

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from JordanG wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I blame my typos on typing one handed. Must be because I'm looking at the plastic, oily faces of the Booth Babes and their lopsided cans.

I going to need a warm, washcloth and a breakfast burrito.

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from timmy2bears wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

CRM and WA Mtn, you got to be kidding me. Really? That's how you're going to respond to this woman's thoughtful post? Ok, why don't you show us your pictures, you mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging jackholes. I bet you're not so much to look at. Better yet, why don't you post pictures of the fat pigs you're probably married to, unless, of course, the closest you two ever get to T-and-A is the annual booth babes gallery.

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from JordanG wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

God I love the Internet. crm3006: Maybe someday your itty-bitty marbles will reach their final destination and you will post under your real name. While usually I don't indulge the misspelled musings of those with a room-temperature IQs, you are so..."special" I decided to make an exception. Feel honored.

I figure you are the type of hunter who takes a dozen shots to drop a buck grazing 20 feet and snags fish in the side with hooks. I'm also betting you are moving your lips as you read this.

crm3006, deanlikes2fish jbird, sharkfin, henslecd: Stop being pansies and post with your real name.

Sidewinder: California may lean left as a whole, but there are enclaves of the state that can give places in the Deep South a run for their money when it comes to Bible-thumping conservatism. Of course, you would know that if you weren't so busy fondling yourself while watching Glenn Beck.

Flame on losers.

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