


March 06, 2009
Discussion Topic: Putting Scopes on Bows
By Dave Hurteau
From the PR Newswire:
The Pennsylvania Board of Game Commissioners, in a notational vote, yesterday gave preliminary approval to a regulatory change that would allow hunters to use magnifying scopes on bows or crossbows during the archery deer and archery bear seasons.
At its January meeting, the Board gave final approval to a regulatory change to permit the use of crossbows in archery deer and bear seasons. Prior to that vote, however, the Board accepted an amendment to prohibit the use of magnifying scopes during the archery deer and bear seasons.
What do you think? Should archery hunters be able to use scopes? Of course, the change is proposed mainly for crossbow hunters, but that said, would you consider putting a scope on a compound bow?
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i would put a red dot on a compound. but i dont see how you could put a magnifying scope on a compound bow.
I can't see how it would help either an xbow or a bow, but if someone wants to hang another gadget on their weapon, they should be allowed to do it.
Yikes. As a curmudgeonly traditional archer, are compound bows getting too advanced and shooting too far, too fast when they require scopes?
would this really help at all or just give people who really don't know how to shoot the impression that they can shoot (kind of like scopes on rifles)?
I agree with Bob81. Bows should not have scopes, should not be basically guns. The sport of bowhunting is becoming a geekfest of accessories and technological innovations that detract too much from the actual sport of it. I used to shoot a compound. Now I shoot a recurve.
The only problem with putting a scope on a bow or crossbow is that now people will take shots that aren't realistic, longer shots than necessary because they can see a deer or bear through the scope better than with the naked eye. Unfortunately too long a shot will only maim the animal, not do enough to kill or wound it to bleed out. Hopefully the ethical hunters will realize this and not use scopes, or know the limits of their equipment if they do use a scope.
I would never put a scope on a compound bow... it would give the allusion that an animal is closer than it really is and cause too many field errors. Also, i think if a state was to allow scopes, they should do so at a set magnification so that hunters are not taking unethical and unreasonable shots on wild game that would just injure the animal. I really dont get the whole point since i think that half the reason i bow hunt is the challenge of getting close to the animal which would be eliminated by using scopes
As far as I know, the controversy over banning the scopes on crossbows initially was because disabled hunters have been allowed to use scoped crossbows, but the recent law that allowed "open" use of crossbows made scopes illegal, thus causing some confusion in the law. Furthermore, a scope will not increase effective range of a bow or crossbow, but will help with target identification, which is probably part of the reason the PGC is allowing scopes on archery equipment, since antler restrictions are in effect in Pennsylvania.
I'm right there with kolbster, I can see a red dot scope, but not a 3 x 9 rifle scope. If one were mounted on a bow wouldn't it have to be a handgun scope also? Long, long eye relief??
I agree with some of the posts above, a rifle or handgun scope on a bow seems a little foolish, since the average range of a bow in skilled hands is about 35 yds, it doesn't make sense to put a 3-9 X 40 scope on a bow, but I have shot bows with red dots and even though I don't switch because they are too inaccurate with visual distortion at different ranges, I could see how someone with impaired vision would be able to keep hunting as long as they set a range where all their arrows stayed in the vital area of the game they were hunting. For now, I am going to continue to cheat and hunt with a compound bow and sight, someday after I am done raising a family and have more time to shoot, I am going to switch to a longbow without sights.
On a crossbow I can understand, but why would you even put one on a compound? You're so close in the first place, that a scope would be detrimental.
I think that there are a few posters whom will agree with me. Scopes are over rated and over used on many weapons now a days. I think it's funny to see guys on tv shooting turkey with scopes on shotguns. Or a guys walking through heavy brush with a .44 mag carbine with a scope. Scopes on crossbows when the maximun range is 40 yards is ludicous. As for scopes on bows,, Ha Ha. There are enough people out there already taking too long of shots. Don't encourage them. Lets get away from the salesmen and back to common sense.
The potential for hunters to take shots at ranges beyond their reasonable likelihood of success exists regardless of the sighting mechanism. Adding a scope doesn't extend the range of the bow. But people take inadvisable shots with bows without scopes, so whether or not the bow has a scope is irrelevent from an ethical point of view. When you're looking at that one good shot you've had in three days, it's tempting to take it regardless of whether or not the target is in your MPBR. Some people are going to take that shot, regardless of their sighting mechanism. That's why I think all the outrage about gadgetry or lack thereof is silly.
The ethical course is to practice with whatever you hunt with so that you are proficient with it, and so that you know the range limitations on your proficiency. It's also important to practice estimating distances to things. Lots of people may know the practical limits on their tool of choice in their own hands, but in the field they're not so hot at estimating ranges.
I can understand a red dot or even a 1x for us hard of seeing older folks, but magnification? I still prefer several fixed pins. This might drive development of a multi/individually-adjustable reticle, short and fat, 1x "scope" with a price tag to match. Might draw in mega light at dawn and dusk.
Imagine ... a scope that costs more than your bow!
I wouldn't put a scope on my bow. One, it already gets caught on brush the way it is. Two, can it really help that much if the animal is already close.
They should not be allowed on compounds, but for seniors, youth, and disabled hunters who need to use a crossbow, i think it would be good as their eyesight probably is not ideal (mainly in seniors and disabled hunters). Nothing should keep these people from getting out in the woods, no matter what method of hunting, as long as it is legal and ethical. If someone wants to put one on, they should be able to.
I got one thing to say to this...
What happend to stick and string?
More power to you, if you want a scope on your bow, go for it!
I see so much crap on compounds that most of the time I have to look hard to find the bow.
You can put a range finder on there right next to your bow mounted GPS unit and the CD player(for slow periods).
I don't know if any of this will improve your hunt, but it will let other hunters know quit a lot about you.
Personally I wouldnt but a scope on my bow. I dont know how it would work because you cant put your eye up to the lens. Also I dont have any problems using a regular bow sight, which are expensive enought as is but then you talk about a scope you will double or triple your price.
Is it silly to put a scope on a bow? Yeah. But it doesn't increase the effective range. You still have to get them in close. As long as bowhunting is still the far more challenging sport, i'll just keep my mouth shut about things like this. To each his own. If anything, it gives us nutjobs running around with recurves more teched up idiots to laugh at.
I don't see what you would need it for.
Nate
COME ON. THIS IS BULLL SHIT. I CAN'T BELEVE THAT MY STATE IS DESTROYING ARCHERY'S SIMLICITY. AM I THE ONLY PERON WHO USES A RECURVE AND HATES THIS IDEA.
I'M SO PISSED
My opinion is to allow them to hang anything they want on their weapon (crossbow, compound, or recurve). People like to experiment with add-ons and it is their personal device. If there is no merit to using a scope or any other device on the compound or crossbow, I think people will remove them real quick. I feel it will be a self regulatory issue meaning that if one doesn't see quick and magic results, the user will go back to what the user was best familiar with.
Mark my word, it won't be long they'll be telling us we can't use a knife properly without a scope.
I hate to answer with another question but.... would that encourage people to take longer/unethical shots?
What do you think is the smallest objective diameter scope that is appropriate for an 8 inch knife? I figure at least 56mm these days, right?
A scope? I already have a cd player, videocam, drink dispenser, windguage, gambrel, deer scale, quiver, stabilizer, altimeter, barometric pressure guage, toilet paper dispenser and digital camera on mine. Think Rodney Dangerfield's Golf bag in "Caddyshack" or James Bond's sporty car heh, heh. What the heck to I need a scope for?
More interesting is the possibility of embedding a GPS or some other locator beacon in an arrow.
Now that Mike may be a good thing. :-)
That wouldn't work for me- my arrows blow right through the deer and are stuck in the ground right behind where the deer was.
I don't think you'll too many bows with scopes on them. I can tell you one guy who won't be rushing out to buy a scope. Crossbows don't shoot much if any further than compounds, so why would you need a scope? If you need a scope, its too far
i think this really applies to xbows people..
as far as a scope goes, look at the excalibur website..
in ontario we can use xbows, most provinces you need a disability to use them
I understand the use of a scope for a crossbow, but not for a compound. I think that pin sights are as advanced as bows need to get. The point of a bow is that it is more of a challenge for the hunter. If you put a scope on aa bow, your just making it easier to use and shoot well. That is the opposite of what a bow is supposed to be.
I had a scope on my bow and hunted in ignorance for years. It was a long eye relief pistol scope on a laser scope mount. It cost me two missed shots. Finding a target in a known location such as the range was easy and accurate but lining up in the woods did not work at all. I had to pass a ten point( I use the term pass like most hunters meaning I spooked him after 3 minutes squinting and he ran away cackling. Genius that I am I kept the scope and had a 6pt come in at dusk and could not see him in the scope. In both cases a traditional fiber optic scope would have allowed me a shot. I'm opting for F.O. next season.
I think that if a person has a documented medical condition (I'm not sure exactly what it would be...) that justified a NEED for the scope, fine. Otherwise, I don't think there is any place for a scope on a crossbow or a compound...especially a compound.
This has to be the most idiotic thing that I have ever heard of!
I mean c'mon guys! Whatever happened to "traditional"? I mean archery has come along ways from where it was to what it is today, and believe me, Im not complaing by far! But to add scopes to bows! Thats like adding a rocket launcher to my shotgun! Talk about narrowing your chances!
Its not good enough that this generation of compounds you can damn near shoot the eyes out of a deer at 50 or so yards! Now we need to add scopes! Why not just legalize the use of cross-bows all the way around and eliminate any chance an animal has!
WOW! OF ALL THE THINGS!
Hunting and fishing are getting less and less about tradition, skill, connection with nature, and woodsmanship and more about high tech gadgets everyday. Hence, we have trail cameras, timed feeders, and in line muzzle loaders.
I can see puttin a red dot or a hot dot site on but a scope that magnifys thats crazy!
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Yikes. As a curmudgeonly traditional archer, are compound bows getting too advanced and shooting too far, too fast when they require scopes?
The only problem with putting a scope on a bow or crossbow is that now people will take shots that aren't realistic, longer shots than necessary because they can see a deer or bear through the scope better than with the naked eye. Unfortunately too long a shot will only maim the animal, not do enough to kill or wound it to bleed out. Hopefully the ethical hunters will realize this and not use scopes, or know the limits of their equipment if they do use a scope.
Mark my word, it won't be long they'll be telling us we can't use a knife properly without a scope.
i would put a red dot on a compound. but i dont see how you could put a magnifying scope on a compound bow.
I would never put a scope on a compound bow... it would give the allusion that an animal is closer than it really is and cause too many field errors. Also, i think if a state was to allow scopes, they should do so at a set magnification so that hunters are not taking unethical and unreasonable shots on wild game that would just injure the animal. I really dont get the whole point since i think that half the reason i bow hunt is the challenge of getting close to the animal which would be eliminated by using scopes
I agree with some of the posts above, a rifle or handgun scope on a bow seems a little foolish, since the average range of a bow in skilled hands is about 35 yds, it doesn't make sense to put a 3-9 X 40 scope on a bow, but I have shot bows with red dots and even though I don't switch because they are too inaccurate with visual distortion at different ranges, I could see how someone with impaired vision would be able to keep hunting as long as they set a range where all their arrows stayed in the vital area of the game they were hunting. For now, I am going to continue to cheat and hunt with a compound bow and sight, someday after I am done raising a family and have more time to shoot, I am going to switch to a longbow without sights.
I think that there are a few posters whom will agree with me. Scopes are over rated and over used on many weapons now a days. I think it's funny to see guys on tv shooting turkey with scopes on shotguns. Or a guys walking through heavy brush with a .44 mag carbine with a scope. Scopes on crossbows when the maximun range is 40 yards is ludicous. As for scopes on bows,, Ha Ha. There are enough people out there already taking too long of shots. Don't encourage them. Lets get away from the salesmen and back to common sense.
The potential for hunters to take shots at ranges beyond their reasonable likelihood of success exists regardless of the sighting mechanism. Adding a scope doesn't extend the range of the bow. But people take inadvisable shots with bows without scopes, so whether or not the bow has a scope is irrelevent from an ethical point of view. When you're looking at that one good shot you've had in three days, it's tempting to take it regardless of whether or not the target is in your MPBR. Some people are going to take that shot, regardless of their sighting mechanism. That's why I think all the outrage about gadgetry or lack thereof is silly.
The ethical course is to practice with whatever you hunt with so that you are proficient with it, and so that you know the range limitations on your proficiency. It's also important to practice estimating distances to things. Lots of people may know the practical limits on their tool of choice in their own hands, but in the field they're not so hot at estimating ranges.
Is it silly to put a scope on a bow? Yeah. But it doesn't increase the effective range. You still have to get them in close. As long as bowhunting is still the far more challenging sport, i'll just keep my mouth shut about things like this. To each his own. If anything, it gives us nutjobs running around with recurves more teched up idiots to laugh at.
My opinion is to allow them to hang anything they want on their weapon (crossbow, compound, or recurve). People like to experiment with add-ons and it is their personal device. If there is no merit to using a scope or any other device on the compound or crossbow, I think people will remove them real quick. I feel it will be a self regulatory issue meaning that if one doesn't see quick and magic results, the user will go back to what the user was best familiar with.
I hate to answer with another question but.... would that encourage people to take longer/unethical shots?
I don't think you'll too many bows with scopes on them. I can tell you one guy who won't be rushing out to buy a scope. Crossbows don't shoot much if any further than compounds, so why would you need a scope? If you need a scope, its too far
I had a scope on my bow and hunted in ignorance for years. It was a long eye relief pistol scope on a laser scope mount. It cost me two missed shots. Finding a target in a known location such as the range was easy and accurate but lining up in the woods did not work at all. I had to pass a ten point( I use the term pass like most hunters meaning I spooked him after 3 minutes squinting and he ran away cackling. Genius that I am I kept the scope and had a 6pt come in at dusk and could not see him in the scope. In both cases a traditional fiber optic scope would have allowed me a shot. I'm opting for F.O. next season.
I can't see how it would help either an xbow or a bow, but if someone wants to hang another gadget on their weapon, they should be allowed to do it.
would this really help at all or just give people who really don't know how to shoot the impression that they can shoot (kind of like scopes on rifles)?
I agree with Bob81. Bows should not have scopes, should not be basically guns. The sport of bowhunting is becoming a geekfest of accessories and technological innovations that detract too much from the actual sport of it. I used to shoot a compound. Now I shoot a recurve.
As far as I know, the controversy over banning the scopes on crossbows initially was because disabled hunters have been allowed to use scoped crossbows, but the recent law that allowed "open" use of crossbows made scopes illegal, thus causing some confusion in the law. Furthermore, a scope will not increase effective range of a bow or crossbow, but will help with target identification, which is probably part of the reason the PGC is allowing scopes on archery equipment, since antler restrictions are in effect in Pennsylvania.
I'm right there with kolbster, I can see a red dot scope, but not a 3 x 9 rifle scope. If one were mounted on a bow wouldn't it have to be a handgun scope also? Long, long eye relief??
On a crossbow I can understand, but why would you even put one on a compound? You're so close in the first place, that a scope would be detrimental.
I can understand a red dot or even a 1x for us hard of seeing older folks, but magnification? I still prefer several fixed pins. This might drive development of a multi/individually-adjustable reticle, short and fat, 1x "scope" with a price tag to match. Might draw in mega light at dawn and dusk.
Imagine ... a scope that costs more than your bow!
I wouldn't put a scope on my bow. One, it already gets caught on brush the way it is. Two, can it really help that much if the animal is already close.
They should not be allowed on compounds, but for seniors, youth, and disabled hunters who need to use a crossbow, i think it would be good as their eyesight probably is not ideal (mainly in seniors and disabled hunters). Nothing should keep these people from getting out in the woods, no matter what method of hunting, as long as it is legal and ethical. If someone wants to put one on, they should be able to.
I got one thing to say to this...
What happend to stick and string?
More power to you, if you want a scope on your bow, go for it!
I see so much crap on compounds that most of the time I have to look hard to find the bow.
You can put a range finder on there right next to your bow mounted GPS unit and the CD player(for slow periods).
I don't know if any of this will improve your hunt, but it will let other hunters know quit a lot about you.
Personally I wouldnt but a scope on my bow. I dont know how it would work because you cant put your eye up to the lens. Also I dont have any problems using a regular bow sight, which are expensive enought as is but then you talk about a scope you will double or triple your price.
I don't see what you would need it for.
Nate
What do you think is the smallest objective diameter scope that is appropriate for an 8 inch knife? I figure at least 56mm these days, right?
A scope? I already have a cd player, videocam, drink dispenser, windguage, gambrel, deer scale, quiver, stabilizer, altimeter, barometric pressure guage, toilet paper dispenser and digital camera on mine. Think Rodney Dangerfield's Golf bag in "Caddyshack" or James Bond's sporty car heh, heh. What the heck to I need a scope for?
More interesting is the possibility of embedding a GPS or some other locator beacon in an arrow.
Now that Mike may be a good thing. :-)
That wouldn't work for me- my arrows blow right through the deer and are stuck in the ground right behind where the deer was.
i think this really applies to xbows people..
as far as a scope goes, look at the excalibur website..
in ontario we can use xbows, most provinces you need a disability to use them
Hunting and fishing are getting less and less about tradition, skill, connection with nature, and woodsmanship and more about high tech gadgets everyday. Hence, we have trail cameras, timed feeders, and in line muzzle loaders.
I can see puttin a red dot or a hot dot site on but a scope that magnifys thats crazy!
I understand the use of a scope for a crossbow, but not for a compound. I think that pin sights are as advanced as bows need to get. The point of a bow is that it is more of a challenge for the hunter. If you put a scope on aa bow, your just making it easier to use and shoot well. That is the opposite of what a bow is supposed to be.
I think that if a person has a documented medical condition (I'm not sure exactly what it would be...) that justified a NEED for the scope, fine. Otherwise, I don't think there is any place for a scope on a crossbow or a compound...especially a compound.
This has to be the most idiotic thing that I have ever heard of!
I mean c'mon guys! Whatever happened to "traditional"? I mean archery has come along ways from where it was to what it is today, and believe me, Im not complaing by far! But to add scopes to bows! Thats like adding a rocket launcher to my shotgun! Talk about narrowing your chances!
Its not good enough that this generation of compounds you can damn near shoot the eyes out of a deer at 50 or so yards! Now we need to add scopes! Why not just legalize the use of cross-bows all the way around and eliminate any chance an animal has!
WOW! OF ALL THE THINGS!
COME ON. THIS IS BULLL SHIT. I CAN'T BELEVE THAT MY STATE IS DESTROYING ARCHERY'S SIMLICITY. AM I THE ONLY PERON WHO USES A RECURVE AND HATES THIS IDEA.
I'M SO PISSED
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