


March 03, 2009
Discussion Topic: Student Talks Guns, Prof Call Cops
By Dave Hurteau
From The Recorder:
For CCSU student John Wahlberg, a class presentation on campus violence turned into a confrontation with the campus police due to a complaint by the professor.
On October 3, 2008, Wahlberg and two other classmates prepared to give an oral presentation for a Communication 140 class that was required to discuss a “relevant issue in the media”. Wahlberg and his group chose to discuss school violence . . . .
Shortly after his professor, Paula Anderson, filed a complaint with the CCSU Police against her student. During the presentation Wahlberg made the point that if students were permitted to conceal carry guns on campus, the violence could have been stopped earlier in many of these cases.
Read the full article and tell us your reaction. Be sure to check out the comments posted below the story.
Comments (45)
$h!t like this just makes me mad
Sounds like a very ignorant professor.
This whole concelead permit in colleges has generated a lot of negative publicity, but then almost every problem can all come back to one source. One person ruining it for all.
Because of the few mentally inept few that decide to open fire on otherwise innocent, law-abiding students, it gives the government the false accusations to make that making the law to allow applicants the right to a concealed weapon is a horrible idea, but it's not.
Now i don't want to sound horrible here, but if you think about it, most of the killings end in suicide anyway, so say someone is opening fire in your general direction and you have a legal weapon. DEFEND YOURSELF!!! But then of course you'll get sued by the family and charged with 17th degree murder (exaggerated).
But i urge this whole problem about concealed weapons in campuses get a good look and hopefull it gets passed.
Nate
The only decent thing to do would be to fire the professor for being a comlete idiot. Paula Anderson should be charged with deformation of character, this incident will now show up on Wahlberg's police record for future employers to see when he conducts an interview. What's next, they are going to label a student as a threat for presenting a project on The Civil War or WWII? I am starting to think that Zero Tolerance = Zero Common Sense.
And people wonder why America is going to hell in a hand basket.
... and they call this the United States?
I don't recognize my country anymore.
What happened to the 'ol addage, "God, guns and guts!"
Did Paula Anderson think a revolution was about to
happen?
She and the rest of this country needs revelation, kind of like a "Million Man March of Gun Owners On Washington!"
“It is also my responsibility as a teacher to protect the well being of our students, and the campus community at all times,” she wrote in a statement submitted to The Recorder. “As such, when deemed necessary because of any perceived risks, I seek guidance and consultation from the Chair of my Department, the Dean and any relevant University officials.”
In other words, speech that she found politically offensive was reported to the campus police under a false assertion that the speech was threatening. I wonder how people like her would feel if someone said we're gonna eliminate tenure in public universities, and judge them by THEIR political speech?
"If you can’t talk about the Second Amendment, what happened to the First Amendment?” asked Sara Adler,"
Sarah Adler gets my node for Best One-Liner of the Month.
Freedom of speech is great huh? An all too common theme on college campuses.
This is typical of today's "educators". I frequently hear of kids being disciplined for writing essays or doing 'show and tell' type assignments when they choose hunting or guns as a topic. These liberals should be called out every timer this occurs.
The comments from some of the readers was also disturbing - irrational at best.
Good that at least one gentleman, a teacher himself, says he invites open discussion about the second amendment in his classroom. Best thing would have been for Paula Anderson to do the same. Virtually all of my college professors were intelligent. Some weren't so smart. There's a difference. Paula Anderson is neither.
Don't you all know that freedom of speach is a subjective term. What the anti gun, hunting people mean is that they have the freedom to say what ever they want even if it is direct oposition to the 2nd ammendment but we have to be careful what we say because in might be in direct oposition with the PC movement. We can't talk about guns because it makes people nervous, we can't talk about the Christian faith because it makes people feel excluded. However they can talk about guns and any other fait can talk about their faith any time they want as much as they want. I think Paula Anderson directly infringed on his 1st ammendment rights. They want it to be a one sided argument but you have to support everyone's rights, not just those that agree with you. We have the right to bear arms. That is a fact! Deal with it, hide in a corner and wait for the shepard to lead you to your next cause. Don't worry, when the wolf comes we'll protect you too, not just those that agree with us!
Its hard to believe the sheer ignorance displayed by some of the "educators" on college campuses in this country...
I thought that Professors were intellectuals who are intelligent and open minded? The reality is that intellectuals are notorious for their double standards. They are very open minded to ridiculous liberal ideas such as abortion, but close minded about vital rights such as gun ownership. Reading this makes my blood boil because this is not a rare case. Ridiculous occurances like this are far too common.
And these people are brainwashing the next generation, we can kiss the country goodbye.
andersonpau@ccsu.edu Here is her email address for you all to contact her! Have fun!
Ms. Adler couldn't have said it any better. I thought almost those exact words while I was reading the article.
Man, I would be embarrased if I was anyone involved with this debacle. Here is a guy discussing the issue of school violence, as part of an assigned project, and discussing concealed weapons. That does not mean he had one in the room. It did not mean he was threatening anyone. It just means he was providing his viewpoint. And for that, the admin, police, students, and this prof are gonna go crazy? What happened to thoughtful discussion and debate of topics in college? Is disagreeing against the law? Or is it just when you disagree with the professor? It looks like the beginnings of a great lawsuit to me...
hunt_fish_sleep has it right, teachers and professors are suppose to be open minded and intelligent, this professor must suck at teaching, if i was in her class id drop it.
I wonder if Ms. Anderson has ever read Voltaire. I bet that a communications professor like herself would have encountered Voltaire at some point in her education. I wonder what she thinks of the famous quote "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"?
This incident is just another indiciation of how honest, candid debate is being subordinated to an obsession with political correctness.
The studnet is right, if a student or even a teacher had a c.c.w and was carrying a gun lots of those school shootings could have been stopped a lot sooner.
I saw similar things when I was in college and I'm seeing it now because my kids are in college.
There are too many professors out there with agendas that go well beyond teaching the students.
It is obvious that this professor is anti-gun and by calling the police she was looking for support for her anti-gun agenda.
I sure hope there's a side of the story the media is not telling.
unfreakin believable. that professor is a mental case. the Administration that is backing her is a complete joke. this, unfortunately, is how we are producing "educated" zombies who cannot think for themselves or question the liberal bias.
What ever happened to the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments?
There was no reason for the police to read of a list of firearms I don't think he did anything wrong. I think if the teacher can't talk about the Second Amendmentshe should be fired.
What is this world coming to?
This is absolutely absurd! Not only the professor's uncalled for reaction, but also the police's uncalled for series of questions and inquiries. He proves the point that some people in charge of shaping the future leaders of our nation are so close-minded and ignorant that they presume to force their opinions on others who may differ. If they choose to remain individuals, they will be punished. Bring back the First Amendment so we might be able to talk about the Second Amendment.
This is madness! Madness? This is education!
Simply ignorant. I don't think the student was called on becuase they was a threat. They wasn't shooting people with vowel peircing word bullets. They were simply disagreeing with the campus liberalis, the most dangerous and pollitically correct eduacator in the world.
He should run for President I'd Vote him. Who else would??
Uhghgghghg pththttt splat. Thats the sound of me throwing up. I would like to know at what time in certain peoples lives that the book smarts takes complete conrol over any common sense they have.
HERE IS YOUR BIG FAT FREAKIN SIGN!!!- Bill Engval
I consider it abominable that Professor Anderson would stain the record of a student who discussed an issue of current relevance without espousing or promoting violence. Other students were made uncomfortable by the presentation? I'm not surprised, but perhaps that discomfort will encourage greater vigilance. One of the reasons that campus violence is a real and continual threat is the likelihood that an assailant can operate with relative impunity. The same could be said for churches, for hospitals, for libraries. There is little threat that anyone within will be armed, much less well trained in the use of firearms. While the professor does well to see the logic of Mr. Wahlberg's presentation, she reacted inappropriately by reporting him to the campus police on the basis of his presentation alone. I regard that as spineless and contemptible, and I hope this matter does not impact Mr. Wahlberg's academic or professional career. If it does, I would think Mr. Wahlberg has legal recourse...and I hope he employs it.
I read the article, and it looks like another liberal antigunner has done it again. Worse part is that this antigun professor has also infringed on the student's first ammendment rights. But she doesn't care because it doesn't affect her as long as she's tenured in. That's the problem with schools today, the good teachers get fired for teaching things you can use in life, and these liberal teachers that I wouldn't let teach my dog (my dog's been dead for over 20 years) should be fired for incompetence. But we can't do that because their "Union" teachers. I'm a proud union guy and I say if the person is slacking off or not doing the job, then get rid of them.
What you have here is typical of what you'll find on many college campuses. First off, most professors are highly specialized in one field of study, but this does not make them experts, or even knowledgeable, in all fields. I doubt very much, for instance, if Ms. Anderson, a Communication major, ever gave one thought to the application of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights as it applied to her student's classroom presentations. She simply had no educational training, or personal interest, in those fields.
The second point to keep in mind is this: There is considerable pressure among university and college faculties to conform to what we might call liberal ideas and ideals. Yet, those who set such "unspoken" standards seldom do so out of considered thought or intellectual debate but rather a concern over their institution's appearance. For to be less erudite and sophisticated as the "better" institutions will inevitably result in a college or university being downgraded to second-class status amongst the hierarchy of other institutions of higher learning. Hence, we find college presidents, deans, department chairmen, and teachers such as Ms. Anderson, demonstrating extreme prejudice towards those whose ideas and ideals run counter to the "intellectual standards" of a university. In that regard, we should show them pity, rather than contempt, for they know not what they do.
I sincerely hope that this young man takes legal action against the teacher for smearing his good name. She tarnishes the view of all teachers. Even those like me who support the second ammendment and concealed carry in schools. She is trying to use her power and the guise of violence to punish those with views opposing her own.
Don't pick on the poor girl, obviously she's slightly (at least) disturbed.
Lets hope that the dean gets her some mental and emotional help.
A word to the campus police might be in order too.
Don't pick on the poor girl, obviously she's slightly (at least) disturbed.
Lets hope that the dean gets her some mental and emotional help.
A word to the campus police might be in order too.
I attend a small college here in NC. Most of my professors are very booksmart, but lack common sense. Just because they have a Ph.D. doesn't mean they have common sense. What happened here is simply a case of just that.
One further comment: Some years ago I worked my way through college working for the electronics research wing of the university. One of our jobs was to breadboard and verify the workability of the next weeks lab assignment for the professors in the Electrical Engineering Department.
One particular week the chairman of the department brought in a schematic for my lab partner to breadboard. After the chairman left the lab my partner took one look at the schematic and realized there was no way it would work as drawn.
When our boss, another member of the E.E. faculty walked in, my lab partner showed him the schematic and asked how someone with a Ph.D. could be "so stupid". Our boss, without a moments hesitation said: "Don't blame it on the Ph.D., he was stupid before he got the degree."
I'd say that bit of wisdom applies to Ms. Anderson as well.
Our educational buildings are filled with educators that can not make it on the outside. Granted there are some excellent educators, they are the exception, not the rule. This Paula is scared of her own shadow, as are many others like her. These educators of today think to highly of themselves, I read a bumper sticker the other week saying "If you can read this, thank a teacher" yea right, I picked up the phone and called my mom and thanked her for teaching me how to read, she is not a "teacher" she is a mom just doing her job. That is what today's teacher's need to do, "their job" and if they do not understand what their job is or are to scared to do that then go hide in a closet where you belong. This country was built with backbone and now spineless people are having to much say in it.
After careful thought and consideration I am going to reverse my position in this matter.
I'll do my best to put my thoughts into words.
Mr. Wahlberg admits that what he said during his presentation made a few individuals uncomfortable. That tells me it was more than just Ms. Anderson that was upset. We also do not know what Mr. Wahlberg said in his presentation. I agree that Ms. Anderson has a duty to report this in the interest of the safety of the students. Is it possible in todays society to be over cautious?
I just don't see myself defending a persons presentation when I do not even know what he said. Maybe the other people in the class that were upset are responsible gun owners. I also feel strongly that I cannot fault Ms. Anderson for erring on the side of caution. I have two kids in college and feel any measure of action for their safety would be greatly appreciated.
Lastly, Are the events an infringment on the 2nd admendment? No. Are they an infringment on the 1st admendment? Maybe. We still don't know what Wahlberg said.
Guys this shiite isn't just in colleges. It permiates most government agencies. I work for one and have to be very careful about talking guns and hunting at work. About 10 years ago I was sitting in a management class. The instructor was a Psycologist (spelling?) talking about the Post Office shooting in OK. I embarassed him by explaining that government (no guns at work period) policy makes us all like fish in a barrel to an armed criminal. The SOB tried to have me fired and did succeed in getting a promotion delayed for a year.
This is just a liberal teacher that most of the campus probably thinks that she is an idiot. Which she is indeed! I wish that we knew the outcome of this situation. I sure hope that those kids did not get into any trouble. I would bet that the police think that the teacher is just a loon. Why she would assign a controversial subject, and then just because she did not agree with them try and get them in trouble??? I definitely understand reporting suspicious behavior and strange situations, but these kids were talking about a topic. I highly doubt that either of them are a "threat". This is just non-sense. I hope that the teacher is shunned by all of her colleagues. The response on this topic is great. We need to fight for the 2nd amendment and everything it is involved in!
Glad to see all the comments and great opinions about this one. The fact the student presented is true. Vermont is a state which has no concealed (or hardly limited) weapon carry and yet they have the lowest rate of crime. I live in Oregon, and even though a school can post a no guns sign, it is still legal to carry a concealed weapon on campus if you are licensed. But as you all have stated, what has happened to America!
Sounds like someone making a mountain out of a mole hill.I suspect maybe this proffesor has a bit of dislike of this student in the first place?
If we keep throwing the term liberal at these things, we won't get anywhere. Why must we be so divisive? Can we not rise above the partisan games that the idiots in Washington play?
I attended Ashland University, an obviously "conservative" college. Technically, it's a liberal arts school, but there is nothing liberal about the place. Anyways, the same attitude about guns shows up there too.
This is more than a "liberal" problem. Ignorance and fear when it comes to guns are all over the political spectrum. So drop the liberal bashing, and get with the gun toting.
The key is not to tear down one generalized group of people you see as the enemy. The key is to tear down those who really are the enemy, regardless of political leanings, and to champion the heroes of our cause, regardless of political leanings.
U GOTTS BE KIDDIN ME.byby free speech.byby 2nd amendment
isn't this america where people have the freedom of speech and people can have their own opinions
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“It is also my responsibility as a teacher to protect the well being of our students, and the campus community at all times,” she wrote in a statement submitted to The Recorder. “As such, when deemed necessary because of any perceived risks, I seek guidance and consultation from the Chair of my Department, the Dean and any relevant University officials.”
In other words, speech that she found politically offensive was reported to the campus police under a false assertion that the speech was threatening. I wonder how people like her would feel if someone said we're gonna eliminate tenure in public universities, and judge them by THEIR political speech?
"If you can’t talk about the Second Amendment, what happened to the First Amendment?” asked Sara Adler,"
Sarah Adler gets my node for Best One-Liner of the Month.
Sounds like a very ignorant professor.
This whole concelead permit in colleges has generated a lot of negative publicity, but then almost every problem can all come back to one source. One person ruining it for all.
Because of the few mentally inept few that decide to open fire on otherwise innocent, law-abiding students, it gives the government the false accusations to make that making the law to allow applicants the right to a concealed weapon is a horrible idea, but it's not.
Now i don't want to sound horrible here, but if you think about it, most of the killings end in suicide anyway, so say someone is opening fire in your general direction and you have a legal weapon. DEFEND YOURSELF!!! But then of course you'll get sued by the family and charged with 17th degree murder (exaggerated).
But i urge this whole problem about concealed weapons in campuses get a good look and hopefull it gets passed.
Nate
... and they call this the United States?
I don't recognize my country anymore.
What happened to the 'ol addage, "God, guns and guts!"
Did Paula Anderson think a revolution was about to
happen?
She and the rest of this country needs revelation, kind of like a "Million Man March of Gun Owners On Washington!"
Don't you all know that freedom of speach is a subjective term. What the anti gun, hunting people mean is that they have the freedom to say what ever they want even if it is direct oposition to the 2nd ammendment but we have to be careful what we say because in might be in direct oposition with the PC movement. We can't talk about guns because it makes people nervous, we can't talk about the Christian faith because it makes people feel excluded. However they can talk about guns and any other fait can talk about their faith any time they want as much as they want. I think Paula Anderson directly infringed on his 1st ammendment rights. They want it to be a one sided argument but you have to support everyone's rights, not just those that agree with you. We have the right to bear arms. That is a fact! Deal with it, hide in a corner and wait for the shepard to lead you to your next cause. Don't worry, when the wolf comes we'll protect you too, not just those that agree with us!
I consider it abominable that Professor Anderson would stain the record of a student who discussed an issue of current relevance without espousing or promoting violence. Other students were made uncomfortable by the presentation? I'm not surprised, but perhaps that discomfort will encourage greater vigilance. One of the reasons that campus violence is a real and continual threat is the likelihood that an assailant can operate with relative impunity. The same could be said for churches, for hospitals, for libraries. There is little threat that anyone within will be armed, much less well trained in the use of firearms. While the professor does well to see the logic of Mr. Wahlberg's presentation, she reacted inappropriately by reporting him to the campus police on the basis of his presentation alone. I regard that as spineless and contemptible, and I hope this matter does not impact Mr. Wahlberg's academic or professional career. If it does, I would think Mr. Wahlberg has legal recourse...and I hope he employs it.
The only decent thing to do would be to fire the professor for being a comlete idiot. Paula Anderson should be charged with deformation of character, this incident will now show up on Wahlberg's police record for future employers to see when he conducts an interview. What's next, they are going to label a student as a threat for presenting a project on The Civil War or WWII? I am starting to think that Zero Tolerance = Zero Common Sense.
Freedom of speech is great huh? An all too common theme on college campuses.
This is typical of today's "educators". I frequently hear of kids being disciplined for writing essays or doing 'show and tell' type assignments when they choose hunting or guns as a topic. These liberals should be called out every timer this occurs.
The comments from some of the readers was also disturbing - irrational at best.
Good that at least one gentleman, a teacher himself, says he invites open discussion about the second amendment in his classroom. Best thing would have been for Paula Anderson to do the same. Virtually all of my college professors were intelligent. Some weren't so smart. There's a difference. Paula Anderson is neither.
Its hard to believe the sheer ignorance displayed by some of the "educators" on college campuses in this country...
I thought that Professors were intellectuals who are intelligent and open minded? The reality is that intellectuals are notorious for their double standards. They are very open minded to ridiculous liberal ideas such as abortion, but close minded about vital rights such as gun ownership. Reading this makes my blood boil because this is not a rare case. Ridiculous occurances like this are far too common.
And these people are brainwashing the next generation, we can kiss the country goodbye.
andersonpau@ccsu.edu Here is her email address for you all to contact her! Have fun!
unfreakin believable. that professor is a mental case. the Administration that is backing her is a complete joke. this, unfortunately, is how we are producing "educated" zombies who cannot think for themselves or question the liberal bias.
Guys this shiite isn't just in colleges. It permiates most government agencies. I work for one and have to be very careful about talking guns and hunting at work. About 10 years ago I was sitting in a management class. The instructor was a Psycologist (spelling?) talking about the Post Office shooting in OK. I embarassed him by explaining that government (no guns at work period) policy makes us all like fish in a barrel to an armed criminal. The SOB tried to have me fired and did succeed in getting a promotion delayed for a year.
This is just a liberal teacher that most of the campus probably thinks that she is an idiot. Which she is indeed! I wish that we knew the outcome of this situation. I sure hope that those kids did not get into any trouble. I would bet that the police think that the teacher is just a loon. Why she would assign a controversial subject, and then just because she did not agree with them try and get them in trouble??? I definitely understand reporting suspicious behavior and strange situations, but these kids were talking about a topic. I highly doubt that either of them are a "threat". This is just non-sense. I hope that the teacher is shunned by all of her colleagues. The response on this topic is great. We need to fight for the 2nd amendment and everything it is involved in!
$h!t like this just makes me mad
And people wonder why America is going to hell in a hand basket.
Ms. Adler couldn't have said it any better. I thought almost those exact words while I was reading the article.
Man, I would be embarrased if I was anyone involved with this debacle. Here is a guy discussing the issue of school violence, as part of an assigned project, and discussing concealed weapons. That does not mean he had one in the room. It did not mean he was threatening anyone. It just means he was providing his viewpoint. And for that, the admin, police, students, and this prof are gonna go crazy? What happened to thoughtful discussion and debate of topics in college? Is disagreeing against the law? Or is it just when you disagree with the professor? It looks like the beginnings of a great lawsuit to me...
hunt_fish_sleep has it right, teachers and professors are suppose to be open minded and intelligent, this professor must suck at teaching, if i was in her class id drop it.
I wonder if Ms. Anderson has ever read Voltaire. I bet that a communications professor like herself would have encountered Voltaire at some point in her education. I wonder what she thinks of the famous quote "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"?
This incident is just another indiciation of how honest, candid debate is being subordinated to an obsession with political correctness.
The studnet is right, if a student or even a teacher had a c.c.w and was carrying a gun lots of those school shootings could have been stopped a lot sooner.
I saw similar things when I was in college and I'm seeing it now because my kids are in college.
There are too many professors out there with agendas that go well beyond teaching the students.
It is obvious that this professor is anti-gun and by calling the police she was looking for support for her anti-gun agenda.
I sure hope there's a side of the story the media is not telling.
What ever happened to the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments?
There was no reason for the police to read of a list of firearms I don't think he did anything wrong. I think if the teacher can't talk about the Second Amendmentshe should be fired.
What is this world coming to?
This is absolutely absurd! Not only the professor's uncalled for reaction, but also the police's uncalled for series of questions and inquiries. He proves the point that some people in charge of shaping the future leaders of our nation are so close-minded and ignorant that they presume to force their opinions on others who may differ. If they choose to remain individuals, they will be punished. Bring back the First Amendment so we might be able to talk about the Second Amendment.
This is madness! Madness? This is education!
Simply ignorant. I don't think the student was called on becuase they was a threat. They wasn't shooting people with vowel peircing word bullets. They were simply disagreeing with the campus liberalis, the most dangerous and pollitically correct eduacator in the world.
He should run for President I'd Vote him. Who else would??
Uhghgghghg pththttt splat. Thats the sound of me throwing up. I would like to know at what time in certain peoples lives that the book smarts takes complete conrol over any common sense they have.
HERE IS YOUR BIG FAT FREAKIN SIGN!!!- Bill Engval
I read the article, and it looks like another liberal antigunner has done it again. Worse part is that this antigun professor has also infringed on the student's first ammendment rights. But she doesn't care because it doesn't affect her as long as she's tenured in. That's the problem with schools today, the good teachers get fired for teaching things you can use in life, and these liberal teachers that I wouldn't let teach my dog (my dog's been dead for over 20 years) should be fired for incompetence. But we can't do that because their "Union" teachers. I'm a proud union guy and I say if the person is slacking off or not doing the job, then get rid of them.
What you have here is typical of what you'll find on many college campuses. First off, most professors are highly specialized in one field of study, but this does not make them experts, or even knowledgeable, in all fields. I doubt very much, for instance, if Ms. Anderson, a Communication major, ever gave one thought to the application of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights as it applied to her student's classroom presentations. She simply had no educational training, or personal interest, in those fields.
The second point to keep in mind is this: There is considerable pressure among university and college faculties to conform to what we might call liberal ideas and ideals. Yet, those who set such "unspoken" standards seldom do so out of considered thought or intellectual debate but rather a concern over their institution's appearance. For to be less erudite and sophisticated as the "better" institutions will inevitably result in a college or university being downgraded to second-class status amongst the hierarchy of other institutions of higher learning. Hence, we find college presidents, deans, department chairmen, and teachers such as Ms. Anderson, demonstrating extreme prejudice towards those whose ideas and ideals run counter to the "intellectual standards" of a university. In that regard, we should show them pity, rather than contempt, for they know not what they do.
I sincerely hope that this young man takes legal action against the teacher for smearing his good name. She tarnishes the view of all teachers. Even those like me who support the second ammendment and concealed carry in schools. She is trying to use her power and the guise of violence to punish those with views opposing her own.
Don't pick on the poor girl, obviously she's slightly (at least) disturbed.
Lets hope that the dean gets her some mental and emotional help.
A word to the campus police might be in order too.
Don't pick on the poor girl, obviously she's slightly (at least) disturbed.
Lets hope that the dean gets her some mental and emotional help.
A word to the campus police might be in order too.
I attend a small college here in NC. Most of my professors are very booksmart, but lack common sense. Just because they have a Ph.D. doesn't mean they have common sense. What happened here is simply a case of just that.
One further comment: Some years ago I worked my way through college working for the electronics research wing of the university. One of our jobs was to breadboard and verify the workability of the next weeks lab assignment for the professors in the Electrical Engineering Department.
One particular week the chairman of the department brought in a schematic for my lab partner to breadboard. After the chairman left the lab my partner took one look at the schematic and realized there was no way it would work as drawn.
When our boss, another member of the E.E. faculty walked in, my lab partner showed him the schematic and asked how someone with a Ph.D. could be "so stupid". Our boss, without a moments hesitation said: "Don't blame it on the Ph.D., he was stupid before he got the degree."
I'd say that bit of wisdom applies to Ms. Anderson as well.
Our educational buildings are filled with educators that can not make it on the outside. Granted there are some excellent educators, they are the exception, not the rule. This Paula is scared of her own shadow, as are many others like her. These educators of today think to highly of themselves, I read a bumper sticker the other week saying "If you can read this, thank a teacher" yea right, I picked up the phone and called my mom and thanked her for teaching me how to read, she is not a "teacher" she is a mom just doing her job. That is what today's teacher's need to do, "their job" and if they do not understand what their job is or are to scared to do that then go hide in a closet where you belong. This country was built with backbone and now spineless people are having to much say in it.
After careful thought and consideration I am going to reverse my position in this matter.
I'll do my best to put my thoughts into words.
Mr. Wahlberg admits that what he said during his presentation made a few individuals uncomfortable. That tells me it was more than just Ms. Anderson that was upset. We also do not know what Mr. Wahlberg said in his presentation. I agree that Ms. Anderson has a duty to report this in the interest of the safety of the students. Is it possible in todays society to be over cautious?
I just don't see myself defending a persons presentation when I do not even know what he said. Maybe the other people in the class that were upset are responsible gun owners. I also feel strongly that I cannot fault Ms. Anderson for erring on the side of caution. I have two kids in college and feel any measure of action for their safety would be greatly appreciated.
Lastly, Are the events an infringment on the 2nd admendment? No. Are they an infringment on the 1st admendment? Maybe. We still don't know what Wahlberg said.
Glad to see all the comments and great opinions about this one. The fact the student presented is true. Vermont is a state which has no concealed (or hardly limited) weapon carry and yet they have the lowest rate of crime. I live in Oregon, and even though a school can post a no guns sign, it is still legal to carry a concealed weapon on campus if you are licensed. But as you all have stated, what has happened to America!
Sounds like someone making a mountain out of a mole hill.I suspect maybe this proffesor has a bit of dislike of this student in the first place?
If we keep throwing the term liberal at these things, we won't get anywhere. Why must we be so divisive? Can we not rise above the partisan games that the idiots in Washington play?
I attended Ashland University, an obviously "conservative" college. Technically, it's a liberal arts school, but there is nothing liberal about the place. Anyways, the same attitude about guns shows up there too.
This is more than a "liberal" problem. Ignorance and fear when it comes to guns are all over the political spectrum. So drop the liberal bashing, and get with the gun toting.
The key is not to tear down one generalized group of people you see as the enemy. The key is to tear down those who really are the enemy, regardless of political leanings, and to champion the heroes of our cause, regardless of political leanings.
U GOTTS BE KIDDIN ME.byby free speech.byby 2nd amendment
isn't this america where people have the freedom of speech and people can have their own opinions
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