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September 24, 2009

Discussion Topic: Food Plots Vs. Baiting

By Dave Hurteau

This Letter To The Editor is a little dated because it’s been trumped by harder news lately, but I’ve been wanting to post it because it makes an interesting argument that’s still plenty valid and timely with Michigan imposing a bait ban last year and Wisconsin now considering the same. Here it is, from the Wausau Daily Herald:

EDITOR: Is this what deer hunting in Wisconsin has become? Wealthy landowners plant large plots of food to attract all the deer in an area to their land, while the majority of us hunters and folks who enjoy watching deer can't place two gallons of deer feed per day on our own property. Food plots and placing feed are both for the same purpose of attracting deer to view or hunt. Placed food is eaten up in a few minutes by deer and then they move on. Food plots however, hold deer on the owner's property because the food is available 24 hours a day. . . .

It is not fair to allow only wealthy landowners to attract deer.

What to do think. Does the author have a point? Check out the full letter, and tell us your reaction.

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from Koldkut wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I agree with the author. It's the same as chumming fish. Nothing wrong with either, IMO, but mnake it fair. Hunting shows on the outdoor networks have changed the face of hunting, for the worse. Glorifying food plots, herd management by land owners, and only shooting bucks.

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from HogBlog wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I think he's got a great point.

If the main argument against baiting is the potential spread of CWD, then food plots would be, by far, much bigger culprits.

And if the argument is simply about "fair chase" practices, then he's still got a point. In fact, I'd argue that food plots are more effective than baiting, which makes them even less "sporting" than a bait pile.

But then again, I think the whole fair chase argument in itself has been overdone, and has created a whole nation of overwrought, apologist hunters who now decry any "unfair advantage" as being "unethical" and a "threat to the future of our sport."

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from HogBlog wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Oh, and just to be clear, I'm not against either food plots or baiting, as long as the resource can stand the impact of the increased harvest.

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from Kong1965 wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I couldn't agree more with Koldkut. Hunting shows have turned into game management shows, where priviliged individuals that can afford property set aside for private hunting, learn how to manage their stock, oops I meant game.

It's an insult to the rest of us that have jobs and hunt public land. I'm against baiting/food plots of any kind.

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from riverrunner wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Not a fan of baiting. I'd rather have the satisfaction of going to the deer and hunting him where he lives instead of baiting him to my stand.

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from bwbardot wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I dont like baiting because it is unnatural. I also do a lot of hunting on public ground and the idea that I could scout out a hunting area and put work in to follow deer trends and then someone else could just come in and throw down some bait just does not seem ethical or fair. I suppose it could just be restricted from public gound though. Food plots are also unnatural but they are not so much different from normal crop ground that deer may frequent. Food plots can even bee effective in helping farmers keep deer out of there crop ground while also aiding hunters.

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from JHawes wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Good point. I am both opposed of food plots and bait piles. I don't see a difference between the two besides size and cost. I'm all for improving habitat, but food plots are not habitats. If your going to improve game habitat to attract deer do it as naturally as possible by planting multiple species of various plants and trees that grow naturally in the woods, like berries, apple or nut trees, and wild grasses and improve water sources or create small ponds that collect water from run off. Clearing forest to create a field for a food plot filled with single species or genetically engineered plant is no where near natural. The big part of hunting is being in the woods and seeing nature, not sitting on the edge of a field you created where you could shoot any deer you wanted from hundreds of yards off. What ever happened to the challenge of the hunt!

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from JohnR wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

This old horse was beat to death several months back. All the above posts raise some pretty good issues.
My spin on the subject is that there are agricultural areas that produce corn, soybeans, and peanuts. That being the case, then what is the difference if one hunts at the edge of the field, or throws out some corn in the woods behind the field. Either way the deer are eating food grown by agricultural means. Let's face it, if you plant it, they will come!

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from MLH wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Is everybody that plants a food plot wealthy?

Some private landowners planted a huge food plot just off some public land. But guess what, the deer bed on the adjacent public lands. Some smart public land hunters will be using this food plot to advantage. Some of these bucks also go nocturnal once pressured. And deer don't just feed on one food source every night and day. They like variety, too. Lot to be said about finding those oak flats and wild apple trees. I am much more satisfied with my public land deer.

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from 7mag_Jake wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I in no way see how food plots or baiting are wrong. I plant food plots because they supply the deer nourishment, meaning they do not have to travel or browse as much during December and January. I hunt in Mississippi, and I have seen deer that were killed in an area with food plots and my hunting lease where we have 10 food plots. Our bucks have always been healthier. Here in Louisiana I hunt close to my house on ocassion, and I feed corn all the time. If you think hunting with bait or food plots is unethical or un natural that is fine, but please do not create a something primarily on what you think is right or wrong or what you do.
On the CWD point, what is the difference in two deer eating in an soybean, corn, grain sorghum, rice, alfalfa, under an oak tree, etc; any different from eating from the same bait source? I would like some valid points and facts of why baiting should be outlawed, even the Native Americans baited.

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from Manbearpig wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

"Wealty Landowners"? My family owns 400 acres in Buffalo County and are by no means wealthy. The guy who wrote the letter sounds like kind of a whiner. If he doesnt like it then buy land and plant a food plot. Writing a letter to the editor isnt going to help. Dont blame those of us fortunate enough to own land for him not having any. And by the way, dont ever tell a landowner what they can or cant do as far as food plots, crop fields, crp, or any other management tool its our right. This state has enough stupid rules without having to worry about enforcing "food plot laws".

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from benjismokin wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

YES!YES!YES!
I have been waiting to hear this side of the story being backed by a well-known mag! I couldnt agree more with you! The fact that the wealthy are the ones that seem to benefit out of everything is something that happens WITH EVERYTHING! But the fact still remains that the common man will always be short changed in rules and guidelines, and this is just wrong! Baiting should be on the landowner and what he plans to do with that pile of bait on his/her own property...is there own business, its their property.

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from 86Ram wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Food plots would be a more efficient way of spreading diseases among all of the animals that use food plots. Not only deer concentrate in them.

Baited areas to a lesser degree but still an efficient way. Animals don't use individual plates or napkins what falls out of their mouths is left for somethin else to munch on.

No not only rich people use either of them. However they use it more prominantley.
They want to hold bucks in one area to make it easier on them to get in and out.
That's why most hunting shows spend lotsa time in Texas. They can bait deer and don't have to use instinct or scouting. I've seen more than one show includin ones with food plots where the camera guy accidently cameos a feeder in the background. I don't watch those shows anymore.

Guys I know can't afford to buy 135 dollar bags of food plot and all the wears to go with it. So the advantage is to he who has $$ on that one.

You can plant a food plot without the 135 dollar bags. It's called feed & seed stores. Alfalfa, corn, rye, wheat, beans especially soy, and do it near an orchard or stand of mast.

Is it fair chase to use that? Is it fair chase to use scents, cover scents calls, $400.00 scent neutralizing clothing and 200 dollar scent proof boots?

To each their own on that. I think we set a double standard on some issues. There is a potential for harm to the deer herds thru disease by using either of those methods. There is also a benefit to some. I personnaly do not use either method. One baiting is illegal in my state. I don't see it as fair chase.
I don't own land to put a food plot on and if I did I couldn't trust the nasty vermin poachers and roadside hunters not to try their handywork.

I don't like roadside hunters that stand on the side of the road, sit in lounge chairs sittin on one side of the road pointing a gun down the road or across the road to the other side. or wont get out of their trucks to go 100yards into the wood line. Lets discuss that.. BTW add another factor the roadsiders that use dogs and darn near run people off the road to stay in front of their dogs and deer. I think that food plots, roadsiders and baiting fall under the not so fair chase category.

Why doesn't F&S cover these roadside non hunters? I know i can get about 75 pictures of these guys between November and december just going to my hunting AO. BTW I hunt in the woods

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from elkslayer wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

this is easy since i disagree with both the practice of baiting and that of planting food plots to attract deer.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Cultivating your land to draw and hold deer IS baiting, pure and simple. I'm not saying i'm against it, I just want the people who do it but denounce baiting to realize it is the same. Someone who does not have access to private hunting land but dumps a bucket of corn on some overbrowsed and overhunted public land, where legal to do so, is no less of a hunter than the guy who tills, plows, plants and fertilizes his high priced, biologically engineered clover patch and then hunts it or the guy who plants corn, only to leave it stand for the deer he hopes to shoot.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I agree that 2 gallons of bait will be gone in a day or two but a food plot just keeps producing. I feel that the whole baiting situation comes down to politics and money. Its hard for the goverment to get tax money from farmers selling grain to the public, But, they can get it from the seed companies and the suppliers of atv equipment and fertilizer companies. Its not right to allow one baiting practice and outlaw the other, it's blatant favoritism. Which is why here in Michigan many gas stations still sell corn and apples. The law says its not illeagl to sell it , just to bait deer with it.

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from jbird wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I think the 2 are very similar. Food plots take alot more work, but essentially do the same thing. I practice neither, but the North side of my hunting land runs up against a 500 ac. bean field, and a 500 ac. corn field, so I don't really see the point in doing all that work, and baiting is illegal in MO. I like the challenge of finding what the deer are eating, and guessing what they'll be eating when the crops are harvested. There's hundreds of oaks and persimmons on my ground, and that's all the 'food plot' I need.
Do the 'wealthy' have an advantage, um, DUH, hell yeah they do, but that makes it that much sweeter to bag a mature buck, and a deep freeze full of tasty does, w/o dropping all that money and time on a food plot.

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from TecHunter23 wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

There is a large difference between food plots and bating. I own 117 acres in PA and i have corn fields, soy beans, and oats on my farm. I considered planting a food plot, but there truly is no real reason with all of these crops there. would i put a bucket of apples 30 yards from my stand...H*&$ no i wouldn't. Food plots benefit all wildlife during the time that it is in season. If you don't believe that put a trail cam up on one and you will get pictures of plenty of different kinds of animals. The reason that bucket of apples is there is because you want to harvest an animal immediately, without putting in any work short of carrying the bucket. I am by no means wealthy, actually 25k plus in debt, but i still have money that i could buy seed and a rake and plant it. come on guys. This is easy. just like the vertical bow, crossbow issue, some people are just lazy and take the easy way out (I MEAN BAITING)

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from Bryan01 wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I'm not sure I have alot to add to what has already been said but there are two things that come to mind that haven't been addressed above.

For those people who draw a distinction between food plots and habitat improvement, where do you draw the line? Does it have to be a native species of plant to be a habitat improvement? I'm not that stringent, to me, if you have to replant it every year, it is a food plot - not baiting, but only one step removed. If you don't have to replant it each year, then its habitat improvement.

I don't own the land I have permission to hunt and don't do either baiting or habitat improvement but when I speak to people who hunt where baiting is legal and widespread, I often hear them say that they are forced into baiting because all their neighbors are doing it - while I don't doubt their sincererity, this does sound like a convenient excuse and I tend to think that this argument only holds water when someone owns a small parcel of land.

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from JHawes wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Well I guess its true that hunting is becoming a rich man's sport. I just want some of you guys to think for just a second. Not all people are fortunate enough to own land and produce expensive food plots and for you to discredit them and call them cry babies or whiners is just disgusting, and I'm talking mostly to you manbearpig. Food plots allow hunters or shooters (which ever you prefer) to pick and choose which deer they want to shoot and not actually seek and hunt them. I mean the most strategy food plot users use is where to set up a blind. This whole sport has become about antlers and not the chase and adventure and food plots are definitely pro-antler because nobody plants a food plot to shoot only does. I applaud all you public land hunter who ruff it and put a little effort into your hunting, where you actually have to know deer behavior and put it to use. But I guess that doesn't matter as long as you have a huge set of antlers to hang in your den after each season, and can brag to your friends how you shot the deer eating out of your Biologic food plot. Sure sounds like a great hunting story.

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from 7mag_Jake wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I still don't see what the big deal is about baiting? If I choose to plant a food plot because I want to make the deer in my area healthier because I am supplying them nutrition, I should be able to. Planting food plots is more difficult than most think, getting out there on the tractor and bushhogging and plowing and then planting. Then fertilizing, its not all about just throwing seed out and putting a blind up. I bust my butt to do this, I have 32 acres of food plots. I also work all year, in the heat especially; farming 3200 acres and by God I will bait to my hearts content. Im not saying that you have to do it, but remeber guys like me, who work on their leases and bust tail to get the best herd possible. I feed corn mainly to attract does for the rut. Like it or hate it, thats my opion. Dont force something on others just because you don't do it or think its " ethical"; is wearing camoflauge ethical?

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from peter wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

i dont like or use either. though i dont think food plots should be illegaized and i think baiting should be, food plots are much more ethical than baiting

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from LaCountryBoy72 wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

We are allowed to do both, plant food plots and feed on private land and leases, but not on wma's or nwr's. I can understand where you would come from about the private land owners planting food plots and drawing the deer away from the private land where it is prohibited. About the only thing you can do about it is to hunt as close to the private land as possible and catch the deer on their way to eat on the private land, or on their way back to bed down. It's not different than having the deer migrate over to farm land during the planting seasons. I have a farmer friend that has planted 120 acres of soybean only to have the deer come in and eat up about 20 acres of the young plants. We don't really have corn farmers this far south, but I could see where they could damage that crop also..
I have access to 110 acres of private land, myself and 2 of my sons hunt, I have electronic feeders set up at both of their places. I would rather go off in the edge of the big woods and climb and make my hunt. We are also members in a 2600 acre lease where I have about an 80 acre block that we hunt. I made a fire lane around 2 sides of, and have a box stand setup about halfway down the 300 yard firelane. It is setup strictly for my wife and kids to hunt. I dump about 50-75lbs of corn/soybean mix per week and also planted a food plot that is about 10 ft wide and 50-60ft long, with about 10 different plants to give them a better chance of seeing deer. Like someone said earlier, some feel the need to feed and plant or feed because of neighbors, I am in a similar place, I hunt at the very end of the lease and the neighbor has two box stands off property in the corners of farm land that have food plots and feeders. I hunt my climber around the corner down another fire lane between my wife/kids box stand and the neighbors stand... I choose to NOT hunt over a food plot or bait, but in turn plant and bait for my wife and kids because they don't have the skill to scout and find pattens that the deer are doing so I am trying to lure them closer for the box stand hunter.

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from Mn_Deer_Hunter wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I believe that their should be a requirement on how big they should be.

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from babsfish4life wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Sometimes I watch these hunting shows and it seems that they take so much out of the sport. In some instances I see it as farming instead of hunting. Sometimes all I see is a 200 pound potato instead of a buck, a food plot can be a form of high fence in some instances. In my state it is illegal to bait and I think food plots too, so I am a little biased. I like when all hunters are on the same level and hard and smart work is the key.

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from babsfish4life wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Sometimes I watch these hunting shows and it seems that they take so much out of the sport. In some instances I see it as farming instead of hunting. Sometimes all I see is a 200 pound potato instead of a buck, a food plot can be a form of high fence in some instances. In my state it is illegal to bait and I think food plots too, so I am a little biased. I like when all hunters are on the same level and hard and smart work is the key.

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from 6inchtrack wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Some of the private property owners like the Michigan baiting ban because, quote; "Maybe I will see more deer on my food plots now sense my neighbors can no longer bait".

We hunted harder, longer, and at a greater cost last deer season and still came up empty handed. We hunt public land.

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from thuroy wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

I don't think that baiting is wrong, but a land owner has the right to plant food plots. Being wealthy or not being wealthy shouldn't be even mentioned. What happens if some gets a leased on 500 acre farm that has great food sources and cover. Should the person not be able to hunt it because it is better piece of ground than state land? Let's enjoy the fact that we can hunt, and not argue over little things..

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from HogBlog wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I think he's got a great point.

If the main argument against baiting is the potential spread of CWD, then food plots would be, by far, much bigger culprits.

And if the argument is simply about "fair chase" practices, then he's still got a point. In fact, I'd argue that food plots are more effective than baiting, which makes them even less "sporting" than a bait pile.

But then again, I think the whole fair chase argument in itself has been overdone, and has created a whole nation of overwrought, apologist hunters who now decry any "unfair advantage" as being "unethical" and a "threat to the future of our sport."

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from Koldkut wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I agree with the author. It's the same as chumming fish. Nothing wrong with either, IMO, but mnake it fair. Hunting shows on the outdoor networks have changed the face of hunting, for the worse. Glorifying food plots, herd management by land owners, and only shooting bucks.

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from riverrunner wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Not a fan of baiting. I'd rather have the satisfaction of going to the deer and hunting him where he lives instead of baiting him to my stand.

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from Manbearpig wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

"Wealty Landowners"? My family owns 400 acres in Buffalo County and are by no means wealthy. The guy who wrote the letter sounds like kind of a whiner. If he doesnt like it then buy land and plant a food plot. Writing a letter to the editor isnt going to help. Dont blame those of us fortunate enough to own land for him not having any. And by the way, dont ever tell a landowner what they can or cant do as far as food plots, crop fields, crp, or any other management tool its our right. This state has enough stupid rules without having to worry about enforcing "food plot laws".

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Cultivating your land to draw and hold deer IS baiting, pure and simple. I'm not saying i'm against it, I just want the people who do it but denounce baiting to realize it is the same. Someone who does not have access to private hunting land but dumps a bucket of corn on some overbrowsed and overhunted public land, where legal to do so, is no less of a hunter than the guy who tills, plows, plants and fertilizes his high priced, biologically engineered clover patch and then hunts it or the guy who plants corn, only to leave it stand for the deer he hopes to shoot.

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from JohnR wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

This old horse was beat to death several months back. All the above posts raise some pretty good issues.
My spin on the subject is that there are agricultural areas that produce corn, soybeans, and peanuts. That being the case, then what is the difference if one hunts at the edge of the field, or throws out some corn in the woods behind the field. Either way the deer are eating food grown by agricultural means. Let's face it, if you plant it, they will come!

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from 86Ram wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Food plots would be a more efficient way of spreading diseases among all of the animals that use food plots. Not only deer concentrate in them.

Baited areas to a lesser degree but still an efficient way. Animals don't use individual plates or napkins what falls out of their mouths is left for somethin else to munch on.

No not only rich people use either of them. However they use it more prominantley.
They want to hold bucks in one area to make it easier on them to get in and out.
That's why most hunting shows spend lotsa time in Texas. They can bait deer and don't have to use instinct or scouting. I've seen more than one show includin ones with food plots where the camera guy accidently cameos a feeder in the background. I don't watch those shows anymore.

Guys I know can't afford to buy 135 dollar bags of food plot and all the wears to go with it. So the advantage is to he who has $$ on that one.

You can plant a food plot without the 135 dollar bags. It's called feed & seed stores. Alfalfa, corn, rye, wheat, beans especially soy, and do it near an orchard or stand of mast.

Is it fair chase to use that? Is it fair chase to use scents, cover scents calls, $400.00 scent neutralizing clothing and 200 dollar scent proof boots?

To each their own on that. I think we set a double standard on some issues. There is a potential for harm to the deer herds thru disease by using either of those methods. There is also a benefit to some. I personnaly do not use either method. One baiting is illegal in my state. I don't see it as fair chase.
I don't own land to put a food plot on and if I did I couldn't trust the nasty vermin poachers and roadside hunters not to try their handywork.

I don't like roadside hunters that stand on the side of the road, sit in lounge chairs sittin on one side of the road pointing a gun down the road or across the road to the other side. or wont get out of their trucks to go 100yards into the wood line. Lets discuss that.. BTW add another factor the roadsiders that use dogs and darn near run people off the road to stay in front of their dogs and deer. I think that food plots, roadsiders and baiting fall under the not so fair chase category.

Why doesn't F&S cover these roadside non hunters? I know i can get about 75 pictures of these guys between November and december just going to my hunting AO. BTW I hunt in the woods

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I agree that 2 gallons of bait will be gone in a day or two but a food plot just keeps producing. I feel that the whole baiting situation comes down to politics and money. Its hard for the goverment to get tax money from farmers selling grain to the public, But, they can get it from the seed companies and the suppliers of atv equipment and fertilizer companies. Its not right to allow one baiting practice and outlaw the other, it's blatant favoritism. Which is why here in Michigan many gas stations still sell corn and apples. The law says its not illeagl to sell it , just to bait deer with it.

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from HogBlog wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Oh, and just to be clear, I'm not against either food plots or baiting, as long as the resource can stand the impact of the increased harvest.

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from Kong1965 wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I couldn't agree more with Koldkut. Hunting shows have turned into game management shows, where priviliged individuals that can afford property set aside for private hunting, learn how to manage their stock, oops I meant game.

It's an insult to the rest of us that have jobs and hunt public land. I'm against baiting/food plots of any kind.

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from bwbardot wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I dont like baiting because it is unnatural. I also do a lot of hunting on public ground and the idea that I could scout out a hunting area and put work in to follow deer trends and then someone else could just come in and throw down some bait just does not seem ethical or fair. I suppose it could just be restricted from public gound though. Food plots are also unnatural but they are not so much different from normal crop ground that deer may frequent. Food plots can even bee effective in helping farmers keep deer out of there crop ground while also aiding hunters.

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from JHawes wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Good point. I am both opposed of food plots and bait piles. I don't see a difference between the two besides size and cost. I'm all for improving habitat, but food plots are not habitats. If your going to improve game habitat to attract deer do it as naturally as possible by planting multiple species of various plants and trees that grow naturally in the woods, like berries, apple or nut trees, and wild grasses and improve water sources or create small ponds that collect water from run off. Clearing forest to create a field for a food plot filled with single species or genetically engineered plant is no where near natural. The big part of hunting is being in the woods and seeing nature, not sitting on the edge of a field you created where you could shoot any deer you wanted from hundreds of yards off. What ever happened to the challenge of the hunt!

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from MLH wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Is everybody that plants a food plot wealthy?

Some private landowners planted a huge food plot just off some public land. But guess what, the deer bed on the adjacent public lands. Some smart public land hunters will be using this food plot to advantage. Some of these bucks also go nocturnal once pressured. And deer don't just feed on one food source every night and day. They like variety, too. Lot to be said about finding those oak flats and wild apple trees. I am much more satisfied with my public land deer.

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from 7mag_Jake wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I in no way see how food plots or baiting are wrong. I plant food plots because they supply the deer nourishment, meaning they do not have to travel or browse as much during December and January. I hunt in Mississippi, and I have seen deer that were killed in an area with food plots and my hunting lease where we have 10 food plots. Our bucks have always been healthier. Here in Louisiana I hunt close to my house on ocassion, and I feed corn all the time. If you think hunting with bait or food plots is unethical or un natural that is fine, but please do not create a something primarily on what you think is right or wrong or what you do.
On the CWD point, what is the difference in two deer eating in an soybean, corn, grain sorghum, rice, alfalfa, under an oak tree, etc; any different from eating from the same bait source? I would like some valid points and facts of why baiting should be outlawed, even the Native Americans baited.

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from benjismokin wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

YES!YES!YES!
I have been waiting to hear this side of the story being backed by a well-known mag! I couldnt agree more with you! The fact that the wealthy are the ones that seem to benefit out of everything is something that happens WITH EVERYTHING! But the fact still remains that the common man will always be short changed in rules and guidelines, and this is just wrong! Baiting should be on the landowner and what he plans to do with that pile of bait on his/her own property...is there own business, its their property.

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from elkslayer wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

this is easy since i disagree with both the practice of baiting and that of planting food plots to attract deer.

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from jbird wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I think the 2 are very similar. Food plots take alot more work, but essentially do the same thing. I practice neither, but the North side of my hunting land runs up against a 500 ac. bean field, and a 500 ac. corn field, so I don't really see the point in doing all that work, and baiting is illegal in MO. I like the challenge of finding what the deer are eating, and guessing what they'll be eating when the crops are harvested. There's hundreds of oaks and persimmons on my ground, and that's all the 'food plot' I need.
Do the 'wealthy' have an advantage, um, DUH, hell yeah they do, but that makes it that much sweeter to bag a mature buck, and a deep freeze full of tasty does, w/o dropping all that money and time on a food plot.

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from TecHunter23 wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

There is a large difference between food plots and bating. I own 117 acres in PA and i have corn fields, soy beans, and oats on my farm. I considered planting a food plot, but there truly is no real reason with all of these crops there. would i put a bucket of apples 30 yards from my stand...H*&$ no i wouldn't. Food plots benefit all wildlife during the time that it is in season. If you don't believe that put a trail cam up on one and you will get pictures of plenty of different kinds of animals. The reason that bucket of apples is there is because you want to harvest an animal immediately, without putting in any work short of carrying the bucket. I am by no means wealthy, actually 25k plus in debt, but i still have money that i could buy seed and a rake and plant it. come on guys. This is easy. just like the vertical bow, crossbow issue, some people are just lazy and take the easy way out (I MEAN BAITING)

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from 7mag_Jake wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I still don't see what the big deal is about baiting? If I choose to plant a food plot because I want to make the deer in my area healthier because I am supplying them nutrition, I should be able to. Planting food plots is more difficult than most think, getting out there on the tractor and bushhogging and plowing and then planting. Then fertilizing, its not all about just throwing seed out and putting a blind up. I bust my butt to do this, I have 32 acres of food plots. I also work all year, in the heat especially; farming 3200 acres and by God I will bait to my hearts content. Im not saying that you have to do it, but remeber guys like me, who work on their leases and bust tail to get the best herd possible. I feed corn mainly to attract does for the rut. Like it or hate it, thats my opion. Dont force something on others just because you don't do it or think its " ethical"; is wearing camoflauge ethical?

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from Bryan01 wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I'm not sure I have alot to add to what has already been said but there are two things that come to mind that haven't been addressed above.

For those people who draw a distinction between food plots and habitat improvement, where do you draw the line? Does it have to be a native species of plant to be a habitat improvement? I'm not that stringent, to me, if you have to replant it every year, it is a food plot - not baiting, but only one step removed. If you don't have to replant it each year, then its habitat improvement.

I don't own the land I have permission to hunt and don't do either baiting or habitat improvement but when I speak to people who hunt where baiting is legal and widespread, I often hear them say that they are forced into baiting because all their neighbors are doing it - while I don't doubt their sincererity, this does sound like a convenient excuse and I tend to think that this argument only holds water when someone owns a small parcel of land.

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from peter wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

i dont like or use either. though i dont think food plots should be illegaized and i think baiting should be, food plots are much more ethical than baiting

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from LaCountryBoy72 wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

We are allowed to do both, plant food plots and feed on private land and leases, but not on wma's or nwr's. I can understand where you would come from about the private land owners planting food plots and drawing the deer away from the private land where it is prohibited. About the only thing you can do about it is to hunt as close to the private land as possible and catch the deer on their way to eat on the private land, or on their way back to bed down. It's not different than having the deer migrate over to farm land during the planting seasons. I have a farmer friend that has planted 120 acres of soybean only to have the deer come in and eat up about 20 acres of the young plants. We don't really have corn farmers this far south, but I could see where they could damage that crop also..
I have access to 110 acres of private land, myself and 2 of my sons hunt, I have electronic feeders set up at both of their places. I would rather go off in the edge of the big woods and climb and make my hunt. We are also members in a 2600 acre lease where I have about an 80 acre block that we hunt. I made a fire lane around 2 sides of, and have a box stand setup about halfway down the 300 yard firelane. It is setup strictly for my wife and kids to hunt. I dump about 50-75lbs of corn/soybean mix per week and also planted a food plot that is about 10 ft wide and 50-60ft long, with about 10 different plants to give them a better chance of seeing deer. Like someone said earlier, some feel the need to feed and plant or feed because of neighbors, I am in a similar place, I hunt at the very end of the lease and the neighbor has two box stands off property in the corners of farm land that have food plots and feeders. I hunt my climber around the corner down another fire lane between my wife/kids box stand and the neighbors stand... I choose to NOT hunt over a food plot or bait, but in turn plant and bait for my wife and kids because they don't have the skill to scout and find pattens that the deer are doing so I am trying to lure them closer for the box stand hunter.

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from Mn_Deer_Hunter wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

I believe that their should be a requirement on how big they should be.

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from babsfish4life wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Sometimes I watch these hunting shows and it seems that they take so much out of the sport. In some instances I see it as farming instead of hunting. Sometimes all I see is a 200 pound potato instead of a buck, a food plot can be a form of high fence in some instances. In my state it is illegal to bait and I think food plots too, so I am a little biased. I like when all hunters are on the same level and hard and smart work is the key.

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from babsfish4life wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Sometimes I watch these hunting shows and it seems that they take so much out of the sport. In some instances I see it as farming instead of hunting. Sometimes all I see is a 200 pound potato instead of a buck, a food plot can be a form of high fence in some instances. In my state it is illegal to bait and I think food plots too, so I am a little biased. I like when all hunters are on the same level and hard and smart work is the key.

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from 6inchtrack wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

Some of the private property owners like the Michigan baiting ban because, quote; "Maybe I will see more deer on my food plots now sense my neighbors can no longer bait".

We hunted harder, longer, and at a greater cost last deer season and still came up empty handed. We hunt public land.

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from thuroy wrote 2 years 31 weeks ago

I don't think that baiting is wrong, but a land owner has the right to plant food plots. Being wealthy or not being wealthy shouldn't be even mentioned. What happens if some gets a leased on 500 acre farm that has great food sources and cover. Should the person not be able to hunt it because it is better piece of ground than state land? Let's enjoy the fact that we can hunt, and not argue over little things..

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from JHawes wrote 2 years 34 weeks ago

Well I guess its true that hunting is becoming a rich man's sport. I just want some of you guys to think for just a second. Not all people are fortunate enough to own land and produce expensive food plots and for you to discredit them and call them cry babies or whiners is just disgusting, and I'm talking mostly to you manbearpig. Food plots allow hunters or shooters (which ever you prefer) to pick and choose which deer they want to shoot and not actually seek and hunt them. I mean the most strategy food plot users use is where to set up a blind. This whole sport has become about antlers and not the chase and adventure and food plots are definitely pro-antler because nobody plants a food plot to shoot only does. I applaud all you public land hunter who ruff it and put a little effort into your hunting, where you actually have to know deer behavior and put it to use. But I guess that doesn't matter as long as you have a huge set of antlers to hang in your den after each season, and can brag to your friends how you shot the deer eating out of your Biologic food plot. Sure sounds like a great hunting story.

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