


September 22, 2009
Discussion Topic: How Do You Stop A Serial Poacher?
By Dave Hurteau
In 1992, Gary Vorhies was convicted of illegally killing the well-known “Growler Elk,” a 365-inch B&C bull on Wyoming’s Two Dot Ranch. In 2001, he was busted for poaching two bighorn rams and sentenced to four years in jail and $52,000 in fines and restitution (although he only spent about one year in the clink). Now, a Wyoming court has found him guilty a third time of four additional charges, including killing three whitetail deer illegally and guiding another deer hunter to illegal kills. This time, he got four years in jail with three years suspended and $27,120 in fines and restitution.
So how do you stop a serial poacher like Vorhies? Some at the Wyoming Game & Fish Department say they’d have a better shot at it if some Wyoming game violations carried felony charges.
“People who are fined but don’t have money anyway aren’t deterred by financial penalties, Wyoming game warden Bill Roberston told the Cody Enterprise.
“There comes a time you have to ask what other penalties for the more egregious cases can be levied,” Robertson said.
“That’s where the concept of three strikes and you’re into a felony comes in,” he said.
“You lose many privileges with a felony, such as being unable to possess firearms,” Robertson said.
What do you think? Should poaching be a felony is some cases?
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I absolutely think that the three-strikes approach should be applied in the case of serial poachers, although, honestly, I don't know that even this will have a significant effect on folks like Vorhies.
The law has been no hindrance on his activities up to now, what makes anyone think that a prohibition on possession of firearms or other limitations of a felony conviction would stop him from further poaching?
I'm not sure what people think happens to someone who's convicted of a felony, but believe me, to most of the bad guys, it's just another case of bad luck. Unless they're locked up, there's absolutely nothing stopping them from going right back to the activities that got them there in the first place... even if they have to break a couple of additional laws in the process.
I'm all for forced, supervised labor for the rest of his life... put his ass to work cutting fire brakes, managing trails, and doing maintenance on fire towers and rangers' quarters. Keep him so busy working for the resource that he doesn't have time to abuse it.
Of course, that's a fantasy. No way it'd happen in the namby-pamby, oh-poor-criminal-it's-not-your-fault criminal justice system we have these days.
Initially I would say yes to this. But I doubt that would stop anyone like Gary Vorhies.
I think that if they were to cut off a finger for each offense that would work, eventually he would have no choice when all of his fingers are gone....
I would say castration before amputation of trigger finger. Don't want his kind to reproduce.
I agree with the other guys. Sure thing, go right ahead and make it a three strikes felony, that's what they deserve...but, realistically, I'm not sure it would have much of a deterrent effect to a calloused lawbreaker. Reminds me of how the FedGov keeps trying to ban "illegal guns"...a criminal isn't going to stop just because you passed another law.
I don't see why he can't be charged with a felony now. Aren't there laws regarding the use of a firearm during the commission of a crime that can be invoked in this case?
And yeah. So you take away his guns and convict him of a felony. He's already dismissed the authority of the law and society, so he's just going to get a gun from a personal sale. Seems like jail time really is the best solution.
The courts should classify each animal as one violation instead of per instance. That way the three strike rule would go ineffect more quickly.
antipersonell landmines placed out by the gamewardens in off season in a way that only they know where each one is, then stricter control in season employing those nifty drones they use down in the middle east with infrared cams and antipersonell munitions.. used in accordance with satelite linked electronic huntinglicenses should do the trick. anyone carrying a gun and doesnt have a license is a poacher and gets himself in a world of hurt.
the american way :D lol
Maybe these should try to quit suspending parts of his sentence?
If you get four years, serve four years. At least you'd know what he's doing for those four years......
He got four years(3 suspended?) and that fine and it's not a FELONY? Damn, what are the sentences there if you do commit one?
I say they should put him in the slammer with Bubba.
What a Loser this guy is.
Some people never change their ways...new laws usually never stop a determined criminal, they usually end up being used to over penalize someone else on down the road...but 3rd poaching offense becomes a felony sounds good to me....especially if a trophy is involved, taking a doe to feed the family and taking a large racked animal are two different issues...
Satellite controlled shock bracelet... set the perimeter of where he is allowed to be...in town and travel corridors only perhaps. If he wanders out of the perimeter, he wakes up after a 10 minute long zap session, disoriented with piss all over himself.
My answer to how you stop a serial poacher involves a similar fate the animals got that he took illegally. Harsh? Yes. But I dislike stupid people.. A LOT.
Poaching should definitely be a felony. When you illegally kill a game animal you are overstepping the bounds of your rights and infringing the rights of others because you are depriving someone else the right of legally taking that animal. There are set seasons and bag limits for a reason.
1st of all quit lettin him get away with it by lettin him out without servin his full sentance.
3rd time should not even be considered I think 2nd time and throw him under the jail.
I agree if he takes more than one animal charges should be brought against him for each individual animal. That eliminates the 3 strike rule as well.
Once guys like this get off easy they learn how to manipulate the system and are encouraged to continue poaching and learning from the mistakes they made to make them better poachers. We as hunters pay for it, we as tax payers pay for it as well.
A slap on the wrist and then turn him loose?
why be suprised that he repeats?
He's sentenced to 4 years he serves 4 years thats how.
I like the idea of the 3-strikes rule. If he gets busted 3 times take his guns, hunting privileges, and whatever else is needed to stop him. People like this guy is what gives something as great as hunting a bad name.
Maybe I'm a little hard core but I think his guns, bows etc should all be confiscated for life and that his hunting privilages revoked for life. I know that may not stop him from borrowing and hunting illegally again but it may send him a message
Put a tracking collar on him so you know where he's at all the time, and have him check in every couple of hours to some authority. If he can't follow the laws then put him in jail.
Check out how this guy committed crimes with an ankle bracelet and got nabbed.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/13/crime-spree-ends-thanks-to-gps-ankle-...
I would use the same thing - along with HogBlog's idea about him working for the forest service.
Hang the Hoss thief!
I'd like to add one more thing: I agree with stiffer penalties and actual enforcement of sentances. Poachers should lose their guns, trucks, privilage to hunt for a lifetime and be banned from hunting, fishing and should be listed as fellons.
I also agree that the criminal should have to do hardwork /labor either in National Forest or on Chaingangs wearing a big bright pink shirt with bold letters that read POACHER.
It may cause someone else to pull their heads out of their 4th point of contact and rethink themselves before acting on GREED, stupidity and lack of moral character.
Hogblog by doing any of this it would have the ACLU, SPL and other criminal activists up in arms screaming foul.
However it would make PETA, HSUS, ASPCA and other anti's wettin their pants with joy.
The only problem is loss of licensce, jail time, and felony isn't going to prevent someone like this. He honostly sounds like a junky on crack, they are going to be a junky for life.
The problem with defining poaching as a felony, is that a person who shoots an animal a minute to early or late is a poacher, a person who incorrectly tags an animal can be considered a poacher. There has to be certain criteria set up first otherwise you end up with a law like the one in the supreme court that could ban hunting shows.
I forgot those laws can also end up shutting down a great website like this.
A trophy poacher should never be able to hunt or fish again. Feed-your-family poacher should do service and not be eligible for a trophy hunt (moose,sheep,bull elk) so they can still feed their family in the future but need to end up making sacrifices. It should also teach us all a lesson, understand the regs clearly before pulling the trigger. If would also help if the states would actually write the regs clearly (Idaho Regs are a nightmare).
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I absolutely think that the three-strikes approach should be applied in the case of serial poachers, although, honestly, I don't know that even this will have a significant effect on folks like Vorhies.
The law has been no hindrance on his activities up to now, what makes anyone think that a prohibition on possession of firearms or other limitations of a felony conviction would stop him from further poaching?
I'm not sure what people think happens to someone who's convicted of a felony, but believe me, to most of the bad guys, it's just another case of bad luck. Unless they're locked up, there's absolutely nothing stopping them from going right back to the activities that got them there in the first place... even if they have to break a couple of additional laws in the process.
I'm all for forced, supervised labor for the rest of his life... put his ass to work cutting fire brakes, managing trails, and doing maintenance on fire towers and rangers' quarters. Keep him so busy working for the resource that he doesn't have time to abuse it.
Of course, that's a fantasy. No way it'd happen in the namby-pamby, oh-poor-criminal-it's-not-your-fault criminal justice system we have these days.
I don't see why he can't be charged with a felony now. Aren't there laws regarding the use of a firearm during the commission of a crime that can be invoked in this case?
Some people never change their ways...new laws usually never stop a determined criminal, they usually end up being used to over penalize someone else on down the road...but 3rd poaching offense becomes a felony sounds good to me....especially if a trophy is involved, taking a doe to feed the family and taking a large racked animal are two different issues...
Initially I would say yes to this. But I doubt that would stop anyone like Gary Vorhies.
I think that if they were to cut off a finger for each offense that would work, eventually he would have no choice when all of his fingers are gone....
I would say castration before amputation of trigger finger. Don't want his kind to reproduce.
I agree with the other guys. Sure thing, go right ahead and make it a three strikes felony, that's what they deserve...but, realistically, I'm not sure it would have much of a deterrent effect to a calloused lawbreaker. Reminds me of how the FedGov keeps trying to ban "illegal guns"...a criminal isn't going to stop just because you passed another law.
And yeah. So you take away his guns and convict him of a felony. He's already dismissed the authority of the law and society, so he's just going to get a gun from a personal sale. Seems like jail time really is the best solution.
The courts should classify each animal as one violation instead of per instance. That way the three strike rule would go ineffect more quickly.
I say they should put him in the slammer with Bubba.
Maybe these should try to quit suspending parts of his sentence?
If you get four years, serve four years. At least you'd know what he's doing for those four years......
He got four years(3 suspended?) and that fine and it's not a FELONY? Damn, what are the sentences there if you do commit one?
What a Loser this guy is.
Satellite controlled shock bracelet... set the perimeter of where he is allowed to be...in town and travel corridors only perhaps. If he wanders out of the perimeter, he wakes up after a 10 minute long zap session, disoriented with piss all over himself.
My answer to how you stop a serial poacher involves a similar fate the animals got that he took illegally. Harsh? Yes. But I dislike stupid people.. A LOT.
Poaching should definitely be a felony. When you illegally kill a game animal you are overstepping the bounds of your rights and infringing the rights of others because you are depriving someone else the right of legally taking that animal. There are set seasons and bag limits for a reason.
1st of all quit lettin him get away with it by lettin him out without servin his full sentance.
3rd time should not even be considered I think 2nd time and throw him under the jail.
I agree if he takes more than one animal charges should be brought against him for each individual animal. That eliminates the 3 strike rule as well.
Once guys like this get off easy they learn how to manipulate the system and are encouraged to continue poaching and learning from the mistakes they made to make them better poachers. We as hunters pay for it, we as tax payers pay for it as well.
A slap on the wrist and then turn him loose?
why be suprised that he repeats?
I like the idea of the 3-strikes rule. If he gets busted 3 times take his guns, hunting privileges, and whatever else is needed to stop him. People like this guy is what gives something as great as hunting a bad name.
I'd like to add one more thing: I agree with stiffer penalties and actual enforcement of sentances. Poachers should lose their guns, trucks, privilage to hunt for a lifetime and be banned from hunting, fishing and should be listed as fellons.
I also agree that the criminal should have to do hardwork /labor either in National Forest or on Chaingangs wearing a big bright pink shirt with bold letters that read POACHER.
It may cause someone else to pull their heads out of their 4th point of contact and rethink themselves before acting on GREED, stupidity and lack of moral character.
Hogblog by doing any of this it would have the ACLU, SPL and other criminal activists up in arms screaming foul.
However it would make PETA, HSUS, ASPCA and other anti's wettin their pants with joy.
antipersonell landmines placed out by the gamewardens in off season in a way that only they know where each one is, then stricter control in season employing those nifty drones they use down in the middle east with infrared cams and antipersonell munitions.. used in accordance with satelite linked electronic huntinglicenses should do the trick. anyone carrying a gun and doesnt have a license is a poacher and gets himself in a world of hurt.
the american way :D lol
He's sentenced to 4 years he serves 4 years thats how.
Maybe I'm a little hard core but I think his guns, bows etc should all be confiscated for life and that his hunting privilages revoked for life. I know that may not stop him from borrowing and hunting illegally again but it may send him a message
Put a tracking collar on him so you know where he's at all the time, and have him check in every couple of hours to some authority. If he can't follow the laws then put him in jail.
Check out how this guy committed crimes with an ankle bracelet and got nabbed.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/13/crime-spree-ends-thanks-to-gps-ankle-...
I would use the same thing - along with HogBlog's idea about him working for the forest service.
Hang the Hoss thief!
A trophy poacher should never be able to hunt or fish again. Feed-your-family poacher should do service and not be eligible for a trophy hunt (moose,sheep,bull elk) so they can still feed their family in the future but need to end up making sacrifices. It should also teach us all a lesson, understand the regs clearly before pulling the trigger. If would also help if the states would actually write the regs clearly (Idaho Regs are a nightmare).
The only problem is loss of licensce, jail time, and felony isn't going to prevent someone like this. He honostly sounds like a junky on crack, they are going to be a junky for life.
The problem with defining poaching as a felony, is that a person who shoots an animal a minute to early or late is a poacher, a person who incorrectly tags an animal can be considered a poacher. There has to be certain criteria set up first otherwise you end up with a law like the one in the supreme court that could ban hunting shows.
I forgot those laws can also end up shutting down a great website like this.
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