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September 25, 2009
Obama Blasted For NHFD Proclamation Speech
The Los Angeles Times’ Andrew Malcolm (who I’m guessing will not be celebrating National Hunting and Fishing Day) found a little irony in President Obama’s recent salute to hunting and hunters, suggesting he sounded a bit like a certain former governor:
Remember that Democratic candidate for president -- what was his name? -- who complained to those elite San Francisco donors at a supposedly private mansion gathering about bitter small-town Pennsylvanians who cling to their guns and religion? . . .
Well, on the eve of that special season when so many Americans blast migrating ducks out of the sky and blow large holes in the side of fleeing deer, Barack Obama, now in the White House, has just issued a special Presidential Proclamation.
He's saluting and celebrating those "ageless pursuits" of hunting and fishing, just like some caribou-killing ex-Alaska governor might.
Check out the full story and tell us your reaction.
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Maybe the fly fishing did have some effect on him... or maybe the President was surfing the F&S website, noticed how we salute and celebrate these "ageless pursuits" EVERY DAY and wanted to chime in. Either way, I'll take it.
What a crock. He knows we're a huge voting block and thinks he can fool a few of us.
I'm with Steve182 - this is pure political BS. If he didn't fear the political consequences, Obama would outlaw hunting tomorrow.
If you read the text, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of hunting and fishing:
"we must remember that this privilege brings great responsibility. Not long ago, hunting threatened the extinction of the American Bison, an enduring symbol of the American West. Today, their population has recovered because of the cooperative efforts of conservationists and hunters."
I always thought it was the railroads and the desire to deny the Indians access to the resources afforded by the buffalo that were the primary drivers of the near extinction of the buffalo, not hunting.
And one more thing, to call the restoration of the buffalo a "cooperative effort" between conservationatists and hunters makes it sound like you can't be both a hunter and a conservationist and that it requires both parties to compromise in the effort - implying something less than flattering about hunters.
Is this the same president who now has Cass Sunstein on his payroll ? If he believes so strongly in our "ageless pursuits", how can he have a Czar like Sunstein ?
I don't know about you guys but I'm going out tomorrow to celebrate this holiday. I'll be bowhunting most of the day and gator hunting after dark. I don't think I'll have time to squeeze in any fishing so someone needs to pick up the slack for me.
It doesnt matter what candidates regime u voters vote for, they r all gonna stiffle your rights to own and operate firearms cos they in term can be used to oppose the ruling regime.. it really really doesnt matter. and if u r all too blind to see it then u deserve whats comming! Nothing is going to become easier in the future america..
I'm with seadog, I'll be out with my bow before dawn and have my shotgun close by to jump puddles for ducks on my way back into town to get ready for a wedding. You heard me, I have a friend who planned a wedding on opening archery deer and waterfowl. He's almost written out of my will at this point.. But my point is, it's true, every politician is going to play their cards to sound supportive of everyone.. One day he's going to salute our traditions, the next day he's gonna denounce firearms. I'm done listening to it. If you think that means I'm not going to stand up for my rights, you are dead wrong. I proudly support a half dozen organizations that fight the good fight for the rights that I care about. And will continue to do so til my last breath.
I'm willing to give him a little more benefit of the doubt than some on this site. Obama is not up for re-election. If this was something he did last October, it would be one thing, but he just started his term like six-months ago. Besides, whether its a little bit of pandering or not, wouldn't you all rather see him endorse hunting than keep quiet about it or condemn it?
Good on him for the public endorsement.
oh i suspect he did that with intent bro, if u care enough to still show up at his wedding first day of the hunt, then u r a friend to be recconed with throughouth the life he now immagines as married. meaning life, cos most guys entering into marriage wouldnt if they knew the average lifespan of married couples today is about 3-4 years and thats if your lucky:P
Politicians say whatever the people listening to them want to hear....they want you distracted by one hand while the other hand is stealing your wallet or feeling up your wife.....honest politicians need to be put on the endangered species list, but then again, they may already be extinct in the District of Columbia, we may need a reintroduction program, it work for the wolves...just an idea...
Ha! that could be true ingebrigtsen. He knows I'll be there.. Hopefully after double lunging a sweet whitetail 5 minutes after sunrise. I think positive!! :)
I'm indifferent. The Prez has more to lose than to gain by making a pro hunter statement. It was not gun toting hunters who voted him in afterall.
I shall remain cautiously untrusting until I see something more concrete than words.
Well ill say as much as no matter your sucsess in the field that day, cos he interfeared with your normal habitual actions, he is gonna think more of u as a brother etc. cos u cut your day short to be there on HIS special day.. and although he might not know the folly of modern females, i pray he never will and will be happy with his choice of both friends and female companionship throughouth his days. but still im pretty sure u will be there no matter what his marriage might turn into.. even after if there is such a thing, and then u can tell him that u probably missed out on some special buck only seen once each 20 years and that day u had a good feeling:P:))
( i know i might sound like a bitter old fuddy duddy, but im actually in love with a girl that ive spent 14 months convincing that hunting is conservation and the most humane choice to eat meat:P)
Steve182 said it right
This is just another way of trying to get doubters to say "hey Obama's not so bad" all the while he's appointed anti-gunners like Eric holder and David Michaels. A wolf in sheep's clothing.
IDoutdoors - I can buy into that. List politicians, reintroduce, restore, delist, propose a season, sell tags...
Question for Malcolm - Do deer flee sideways? I wish...
"If not for America's great hunters and anglers, like President Theodore Roosevelt and Aldo Leopold, our Nation would not enjoy sound game management; a system of ethical, science-based game laws; and an extensive public lands estate on which to pursue the sports."
Good thing for him to say, something so many need to accept...
Guess what tree huggers - all the stuff that you like to look at is still there because of us, the ones that sometimes kill a few of the things you like to look at.
I like anything that gets the Antis panties in a bunch.
Does the pic of the deer in the back of that truck look doctored to you? I've never seen bucks that stiff legged in the back of a truck in almost the same pose.
Anyways, I'm sure he has a hidden agenda. Look out for the sharp pointy instraments over the next few weeks/month.
Why should I trust Urkel?????
He thinks that we're all stupid. Sic Semper Tyrannis!
What you need to remember is that he was a blood sucking lawyer before he was president.
Say what you will, but no one else decided to give us our own national day before. This is a first and an honor.
Wow I guess this started with Nixon. To me a proclamation speech signifies something new, but apparently the potus proclaims it every year? Guess it wasn't much for publicity. Last year's chairman was Michael Waddell. You would think I would know about these things...
Here is another LA times article, a much more honest and informed one -
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2009/09/national-hunting-and-fi...
Sound to me that he's sucking up to the people supporting the one part of the economy that isn't tanking. Gun sales are on the rise and bullets are getting harder and harder to find because of the rapid sales. Some places are limiting the amount of ammo you can buy at one time.
Perhaps he found out how much money the hunters and fisherman contribute to conservation.
However, he's a politician. Listen to what he says, but pay more attention to what he does. Politicians are known for saying one thing and doing the opposite. Oh, and keep your hand on your wallet because that's the first thing they'll go after.
Well said Steve 1 Million firearms sales in a month, firearms manufacturers moving from traditional states to Idaho, Ammo being sold by the ton. makes you take notice...Lots of $$$ involved.... States encouraging and upholdin States rights as well ... That gets some notice too
But the Dems are tryin to soften us up for somethin....We need to stay on our toes.
I agree buckhunter .. also well said
If Obama got an "atta boy" e-mail from every hunter and fisherman tomorrow he probably would come to realize what a strong voter block was waiting for his positive actions.
And if he got several offers to take him hunting or fishing he might realize what a good bunch of people these sportsmen are.
Take a positive attitude and work it for all you're worth.
Have a good NHFD day!
You know when he is lying? His lips are moving! ;)
that is the only good thing obama ever said, eventhough it was just him trying to get a little bit of support and didnt really mean it
Bob 81, I agree w/ you and give you +1, I thought this was the guy that as soon as he was elected was gonna' come after all our guns and all our rights?
shane, +1 to you too, you're absolutely right, who else Republican or Democrat, has done anything to "honor" hunters and fishermen in recent history?
You all would be wetting your drawers if a Repub. Pres. had proclaimed a National Hunting and Fishing Day, but because a Dem. did it, it's all bs. Geeze, you don't have to trust the guy, but giving us our own 'day' is a helluva long way from taking all our guns away.
Now go buy some more guns and ammo, cuz it's all gonna' be illegal soon!
Andrew Malcolm writes like a city boy.
he's a politician what else would you expect from the man. Even he can't remember his stances.
He's trying to get outdoorsmen to get behind him on issues that have nothing to do with hunting or fishing. As for this special day, there has always been one. Here in Kansas we call it "opening day". Obama is such a hypocrite. Seems like I remember him voting yes on a certain gun ban...
Dannjs25,
"Obama is such a hypocrite. Seems like I remember him voting yes on a certain gun ban..."
I know a lot of democrats that are both pro-hunting and pro-limited gun control. They have no problem with long guns and firearms used for hunting purposes, but are very wary of handguns (as most crimes are committed with handguns).
I'm not saying I agree with thier stance, but I think it probably describes Obama's attitude towards firearms and why he does not view it as hypocritical.
(1) A similar proclamation is going to be made each year by whomever occupies the White House, so
(2) There aren't any tea leaves to read, which means,
(3) Malcolm is off base, and
(4) So is anyone else who either gets upset about the proclamation or Malcolm's comments on it.
(1) A similar proclamation is going to be made each year by whomever occupies the White House, so
(2) There aren't any tea leaves to read, which means,
(3) Malcolm is off base, and
(4) So is anyone else who either gets upset about the proclamation or Malcolm's comments on it.
Rather than waste time making proclamations he does not believe in, he should be backing our troops in Afghanistan,i.e. deciding to either send more as the good general requests, or pull them out. Now he is going to Denmark to try to get the Olympics in Chicago, still spinning, still campaigning. Now I know this is off the mark abet, but my point is that he will say anything the group he is speaking to wants to hear rather than deal with the issues.
I would rather he act presidential than campaign.
I would agree with the post that said it was "the best thing Obama ever said, even though he didn't mean it" with the possible exception of the time he called Kanye West a jackass, which I think was sincere.
It's probably about the farthest temporally speaking that Obama will ever be from any election which makes me think that this isn't just bullshit to get votes.
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Steve182 said it right
This is just another way of trying to get doubters to say "hey Obama's not so bad" all the while he's appointed anti-gunners like Eric holder and David Michaels. A wolf in sheep's clothing.
What a crock. He knows we're a huge voting block and thinks he can fool a few of us.
And one more thing, to call the restoration of the buffalo a "cooperative effort" between conservationatists and hunters makes it sound like you can't be both a hunter and a conservationist and that it requires both parties to compromise in the effort - implying something less than flattering about hunters.
I'm indifferent. The Prez has more to lose than to gain by making a pro hunter statement. It was not gun toting hunters who voted him in afterall.
I shall remain cautiously untrusting until I see something more concrete than words.
Well said Steve 1 Million firearms sales in a month, firearms manufacturers moving from traditional states to Idaho, Ammo being sold by the ton. makes you take notice...Lots of $$$ involved.... States encouraging and upholdin States rights as well ... That gets some notice too
But the Dems are tryin to soften us up for somethin....We need to stay on our toes.
Maybe the fly fishing did have some effect on him... or maybe the President was surfing the F&S website, noticed how we salute and celebrate these "ageless pursuits" EVERY DAY and wanted to chime in. Either way, I'll take it.
I'm with Steve182 - this is pure political BS. If he didn't fear the political consequences, Obama would outlaw hunting tomorrow.
If you read the text, it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of hunting and fishing:
"we must remember that this privilege brings great responsibility. Not long ago, hunting threatened the extinction of the American Bison, an enduring symbol of the American West. Today, their population has recovered because of the cooperative efforts of conservationists and hunters."
I always thought it was the railroads and the desire to deny the Indians access to the resources afforded by the buffalo that were the primary drivers of the near extinction of the buffalo, not hunting.
Is this the same president who now has Cass Sunstein on his payroll ? If he believes so strongly in our "ageless pursuits", how can he have a Czar like Sunstein ?
It doesnt matter what candidates regime u voters vote for, they r all gonna stiffle your rights to own and operate firearms cos they in term can be used to oppose the ruling regime.. it really really doesnt matter. and if u r all too blind to see it then u deserve whats comming! Nothing is going to become easier in the future america..
I'm willing to give him a little more benefit of the doubt than some on this site. Obama is not up for re-election. If this was something he did last October, it would be one thing, but he just started his term like six-months ago. Besides, whether its a little bit of pandering or not, wouldn't you all rather see him endorse hunting than keep quiet about it or condemn it?
Good on him for the public endorsement.
oh i suspect he did that with intent bro, if u care enough to still show up at his wedding first day of the hunt, then u r a friend to be recconed with throughouth the life he now immagines as married. meaning life, cos most guys entering into marriage wouldnt if they knew the average lifespan of married couples today is about 3-4 years and thats if your lucky:P
Politicians say whatever the people listening to them want to hear....they want you distracted by one hand while the other hand is stealing your wallet or feeling up your wife.....honest politicians need to be put on the endangered species list, but then again, they may already be extinct in the District of Columbia, we may need a reintroduction program, it work for the wolves...just an idea...
Ha! that could be true ingebrigtsen. He knows I'll be there.. Hopefully after double lunging a sweet whitetail 5 minutes after sunrise. I think positive!! :)
Sound to me that he's sucking up to the people supporting the one part of the economy that isn't tanking. Gun sales are on the rise and bullets are getting harder and harder to find because of the rapid sales. Some places are limiting the amount of ammo you can buy at one time.
Perhaps he found out how much money the hunters and fisherman contribute to conservation.
However, he's a politician. Listen to what he says, but pay more attention to what he does. Politicians are known for saying one thing and doing the opposite. Oh, and keep your hand on your wallet because that's the first thing they'll go after.
I don't know about you guys but I'm going out tomorrow to celebrate this holiday. I'll be bowhunting most of the day and gator hunting after dark. I don't think I'll have time to squeeze in any fishing so someone needs to pick up the slack for me.
I'm with seadog, I'll be out with my bow before dawn and have my shotgun close by to jump puddles for ducks on my way back into town to get ready for a wedding. You heard me, I have a friend who planned a wedding on opening archery deer and waterfowl. He's almost written out of my will at this point.. But my point is, it's true, every politician is going to play their cards to sound supportive of everyone.. One day he's going to salute our traditions, the next day he's gonna denounce firearms. I'm done listening to it. If you think that means I'm not going to stand up for my rights, you are dead wrong. I proudly support a half dozen organizations that fight the good fight for the rights that I care about. And will continue to do so til my last breath.
"If not for America's great hunters and anglers, like President Theodore Roosevelt and Aldo Leopold, our Nation would not enjoy sound game management; a system of ethical, science-based game laws; and an extensive public lands estate on which to pursue the sports."
Good thing for him to say, something so many need to accept...
Guess what tree huggers - all the stuff that you like to look at is still there because of us, the ones that sometimes kill a few of the things you like to look at.
If Obama got an "atta boy" e-mail from every hunter and fisherman tomorrow he probably would come to realize what a strong voter block was waiting for his positive actions.
And if he got several offers to take him hunting or fishing he might realize what a good bunch of people these sportsmen are.
Take a positive attitude and work it for all you're worth.
Have a good NHFD day!
Bob 81, I agree w/ you and give you +1, I thought this was the guy that as soon as he was elected was gonna' come after all our guns and all our rights?
shane, +1 to you too, you're absolutely right, who else Republican or Democrat, has done anything to "honor" hunters and fishermen in recent history?
You all would be wetting your drawers if a Repub. Pres. had proclaimed a National Hunting and Fishing Day, but because a Dem. did it, it's all bs. Geeze, you don't have to trust the guy, but giving us our own 'day' is a helluva long way from taking all our guns away.
Now go buy some more guns and ammo, cuz it's all gonna' be illegal soon!
Well ill say as much as no matter your sucsess in the field that day, cos he interfeared with your normal habitual actions, he is gonna think more of u as a brother etc. cos u cut your day short to be there on HIS special day.. and although he might not know the folly of modern females, i pray he never will and will be happy with his choice of both friends and female companionship throughouth his days. but still im pretty sure u will be there no matter what his marriage might turn into.. even after if there is such a thing, and then u can tell him that u probably missed out on some special buck only seen once each 20 years and that day u had a good feeling:P:))
( i know i might sound like a bitter old fuddy duddy, but im actually in love with a girl that ive spent 14 months convincing that hunting is conservation and the most humane choice to eat meat:P)
IDoutdoors - I can buy into that. List politicians, reintroduce, restore, delist, propose a season, sell tags...
Question for Malcolm - Do deer flee sideways? I wish...
I like anything that gets the Antis panties in a bunch.
Does the pic of the deer in the back of that truck look doctored to you? I've never seen bucks that stiff legged in the back of a truck in almost the same pose.
Anyways, I'm sure he has a hidden agenda. Look out for the sharp pointy instraments over the next few weeks/month.
Why should I trust Urkel?????
He thinks that we're all stupid. Sic Semper Tyrannis!
What you need to remember is that he was a blood sucking lawyer before he was president.
Say what you will, but no one else decided to give us our own national day before. This is a first and an honor.
Wow I guess this started with Nixon. To me a proclamation speech signifies something new, but apparently the potus proclaims it every year? Guess it wasn't much for publicity. Last year's chairman was Michael Waddell. You would think I would know about these things...
Here is another LA times article, a much more honest and informed one -
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2009/09/national-hunting-and-fi...
I agree buckhunter .. also well said
that is the only good thing obama ever said, eventhough it was just him trying to get a little bit of support and didnt really mean it
Andrew Malcolm writes like a city boy.
You know when he is lying? His lips are moving! ;)
he's a politician what else would you expect from the man. Even he can't remember his stances.
Dannjs25,
"Obama is such a hypocrite. Seems like I remember him voting yes on a certain gun ban..."
I know a lot of democrats that are both pro-hunting and pro-limited gun control. They have no problem with long guns and firearms used for hunting purposes, but are very wary of handguns (as most crimes are committed with handguns).
I'm not saying I agree with thier stance, but I think it probably describes Obama's attitude towards firearms and why he does not view it as hypocritical.
(1) A similar proclamation is going to be made each year by whomever occupies the White House, so
(2) There aren't any tea leaves to read, which means,
(3) Malcolm is off base, and
(4) So is anyone else who either gets upset about the proclamation or Malcolm's comments on it.
(1) A similar proclamation is going to be made each year by whomever occupies the White House, so
(2) There aren't any tea leaves to read, which means,
(3) Malcolm is off base, and
(4) So is anyone else who either gets upset about the proclamation or Malcolm's comments on it.
Rather than waste time making proclamations he does not believe in, he should be backing our troops in Afghanistan,i.e. deciding to either send more as the good general requests, or pull them out. Now he is going to Denmark to try to get the Olympics in Chicago, still spinning, still campaigning. Now I know this is off the mark abet, but my point is that he will say anything the group he is speaking to wants to hear rather than deal with the issues.
I would rather he act presidential than campaign.
I would agree with the post that said it was "the best thing Obama ever said, even though he didn't mean it" with the possible exception of the time he called Kanye West a jackass, which I think was sincere.
It's probably about the farthest temporally speaking that Obama will ever be from any election which makes me think that this isn't just bullshit to get votes.
He's trying to get outdoorsmen to get behind him on issues that have nothing to do with hunting or fishing. As for this special day, there has always been one. Here in Kansas we call it "opening day". Obama is such a hypocrite. Seems like I remember him voting yes on a certain gun ban...
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