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More Details on the Sad Story of the Biggest Eight-Point Buck Ever Killed
By Scott Bestul
Last week, a giant whitetail was allegedly poached near the town of Cannon Falls, Minnesota. The buck’s antlers sported a highly symmetrical frame and is said to have green-scored 192 B&C, and netted 188”. The inside spread of 28-3/8” is mule-deer wide.
Lou Cornicelli, the Minnesota DNR big-game coordinator, had this comment about the monster buck ... “Millions of deer are harvested nationally each year. The probability of harvesting one this big is just infinitesimal. It doesn’t exist.”
Cornicelli said more than a mouthful. Mainly because the measurements being tossed about belong to a whitetail with a rack sporting only eight points. Ask any veteran B&C scorer, and he’ll tell you to kill a “Booner” (a buck that qualifies for the B&C all-time awards minimum of 170” ), the buck better have at least ten tines, long main beams, and plenty of mass. Only a handful of 8-point whitetails have the right stuff to crack the B&C book.
Out of curiosity, I searched the B&C records program to see just how small that handful was. The answer? Even tinier than I thought. The B&C book includes animals killed as far back as 1830 and includes whitetails tagged up through 2008. In that 170-year-plus span, only 34 8-point whitetails have scored 170” or better. That’s thirty four out of literally millions of 8-pointers killed in that span.
And to make this even tougher to swallow, this Minnesota 8-point would not have only made this list with room to spare, it would have been the best 8-point whitetail ever. A world record deer. Second place? 180-3/8”, the score awarded to a South Dakota buck killed by Vernon Winter in 1965.
This magnificent buck could still find its way into the B&C books, since the organization allows “found” or “picked up” heads to be entered. Since the Minnesota DNR is now in possession of the rack, they could pursue putting the buck into B&C and, if allowed, the buck would at least be honored. But here’s a safer bet; the rack will almost certainly be included in the DNR’s “Wall of Shame”, a traveling display of poached trophy heads that state conservation officers take to sports shows each year.
In my opinion, not a fitting end to what is likely the largest 8-point buck in history.
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Comments (67)
some people's kids......
around here that would be a 9 point, even though one point on the left is small its still big enought to count...
Thats a real shame. I don't understand why it is so hard to do it legal.
to be counted for the record books, the tine has to be longer than 1 inch, and despite its size, i don't think that is 1 inch.
its to bad that a buck like that has to go to waste when it could of been lifelong memory for someone else
First off I hope they "FRY" the PUNK that shot this buck.
Now, why can't they enter it into the B/C books and "display" it in their "wall of shame" ?
There are all kinds of reproductions that are "on tour".
I'd rather see this story emphasize the harsh punishment recieved by the poacher. I just don't see how showing off the huge racks helps deter poaching.
I don't believe that any resident to the state would be denied a tag. Just buy one they are not that expensive!
What an incredible buck. I hope the poacher gets punished pretty hard. I can't imagine what that deer must've looked like on the hoof.
That must've been a beautiful deer. Sickening that it was poached by some greedy scum.
it's a shame that people have to do that. wouldn't you want to be the hunter to put your name in the " book " then be the one to be booked????? i sure would with a buck like that....8 points and netts 188 ... one of 34 that would be award in it's self
WOW get your lazy butt out and hunt ethically
To tell the truth, i think the stupid idoit that shot that buck sou;d get slapped across the face for not getting it shoulder mounted. i know it's wrong, and the poacher prolly knows it wrong. if pople know its wrong why do they still do it? if they keep doing will there still be bucks with more then 4 points for our kids to shoot????
makes me sick
A 32 year man, of Cannon Falls was charged this morning in Goodhue County with 13 counts of illegal taking deer. If convicted, he faces $19,000 in fines, up to a year in jail and revocation of his hunting license.
According to twincities press.
I'm pretty sure he had it at the taxidermist and thats how they found out about it. I also read some where that he had shot a smaller 8 pointer earlier on, and thats why he no longer had an archery tag. Hope he gets jail time.
A beautiful 4 by 4 wasted to a freaking "thrill-killer".I say that because he had to be out for that buck,not trying to feed his starving family.
"I just don't see how showing off big racks deters poaching" Ding Ding Ding Ding, congradulations! you have discovered the reason many people can think of nothing but big racks. Excess comercialzation!
what a shame should have just waited for gun season
how'd he get caught 1st of all? 2nd i think he should be given hefty fines and have to work towards the betterment of the natural resources in the area weather it be planting food plots for where the deer was shot in a form of community service...
I think he should be forced to relocate to the inner city ,a safe distance from any park and next to a expressway.If there is a picture of this buck ,I'd like to see it with the rack but stricken his name from the record.
And if he is in the picture silhouette him out with a tutu and hornedrimed glasses.
The record books are deceiving,, They list total number of points per side, with no destiction of normal or abnormal, Consequently a main frame 4x4 with two small burr points etc could show in the book as a 5x5, but score as a 4x4.
It may very well be the largest clean 4x4, but it is possible one bigger may be in the books, the total number will definitely be higher than 34 if all you did is look for records of deer with only 4 points per side.
Regardless, it is one heck of a deer and one of the saddest stories ever if it doesn't do anything to change some people's thinking on hunting legally and ethically.
that is a real shame that buck is gone and that it wwas taken by someone who isnt enough of a hunter to do it legally
this is a hell of a way to find out the deer i ve been hunting got poached!
This buck makes my homestate of MN stick it's chest out with pride, it's just too bad it had to be taken illegally. I hope more pictures of the horns surface soon, I'd love to see the side views and hear the measurements. With a score like that the beam length must be incredible and the symmetry as well. Only a handful of bucks ever get this wide too! I hope the guy that shot this buck loses his right to hunt for a long time, forever would be fine with me.
Wow what a magnificant buck to bad it was taken illegally i think it should be put in the record books but not with the poachers name on it the poacher should get more than 19k in fines for poaching 13 deer that is definetly not doing it to feed your family Just sickening
Wow what a magnificant buck to bad it was taken illegally i think it should be put in the record books but not with the poachers name on it the poacher should get more than 19k in fines for poaching 13 deer that is definetly not doing it to feed your family Just sickening
I would also like to know how they caught the poacher. That is rediculous that someone would shoot such a monster and not want to even keep it. Poaching just makes me sick.
"Ask any veteran B&C scorer, and he’ll tell you to kill a “Booner” (a buck that qualifies for the B&C all-time awards minimum of 170” ), the buck better have at least ten tines, long main beams, and plenty of mass. Only a handful of 8-point whitetails have the right stuff to crack the B&C book."
Just talked with Kentucky's Department of Wildlife biologist this past weekend, and he verified the exact statement
above.
The one and only way to punish poachers, is to hit 'em with a large fine, and publish their mug in every state's hunting regulations, deer expo's and on-line, through public humiliation. Let the real hunters publically scorn and benefit from their hefty fine!
thomas howard-
First off; He never should have been in his stand if he were already tagged out.
Second; "envy"? The fines and public humiliation that come with an act such as this are enough to deter me from poaching, not to mention that it's unethical.
And lastly; Race and politics have nothing to do with this story.
Hefty fines, Public humiliation and license revocation for a number of years is what this guy needs.
This is just sickening. He deserves more of a punishment. I'm from Minnesota and in the paper it said he was looking at "possible" jail time and 2000 dollars in fines and other punishments. What about the hunters that had put in the hours and scouted it and tried desperately to get a shot at this monster. It's people like this that give hunters around the world a bad name.
does doe tags make any sense to you?your not as smart as you talk.we all do r fair share of law breaking,the only difference is yours doesnt get publicized.down the road at one point r another we break the law ,breaking the law is breaking the law,just because he killed a deer with no tag doesnt make him no worse than u.
Sounds like thomas howard supports poaching. How do you justify any of your nonsense? More importantly, do you consider yourself a sportsman with this banter? By the way, when you break the law and get caught, it does get publicized in some form, usually on a criminal record. I'm all about hefty fines and publication. Poaching should result in the loss of your hunting priviledges in all states...first offense. Hit them where it hurts.
A buck like that... its a shame and it makes me sick. on another note WOW to the size of that rack...
thet kind of stuff realy tick people off
Fiest who ever the mutt was should have any hunting privlages revoked for good ,.period.
Second any one have any idea how much the deer weighed ,. the rack looks downright prehistoric ,..
bet that was whopper .
Third who is this cracker Thomas Howard ,..
yall sounds like you got your head so far up your craker A$$ yall are high on methane gas .
Wow, what a monster! I hope that poacher gets Jail time and a huge fine. Oh and loose his hunting rights for life. Oh and take his guns away for sure!
some people just suck at all aspects of life
You know, I'm against poaching,,, but, I don't think it would have made that big of a story if iy was a doe. Sorry to be so obvious
hhmmmm????.o yeah ,yohan,u sound a little norweigan if u ask me.so why dont u take your dumb self back to that hell hole yall call a country.and were did u learn the word cracker???and if you keep talking we can all see how ignorant u people really r.
hhmmmm????.o yeah ,yohan,u sound a little norweigan if u ask me.so why dont u take your dumb self back to that hell hole yall call a country.and were did u learn the word cracker???and if you keep talking we can all see how ignorant u people really r.
mock1 your totatly right.if it was a doe no one would give a care.just because it has an enormous rack the whole world has to end.
Don't just show off the huge rack,show the punishments,just as buckhunter said.Showing how much it pays off doesn't deter poaching,showing what a deep pile of crap you'd be in deters it.
Somebody help me out here. What's a cracker? Did this dude eat the deer after he shot it? Is venison good with crackers? I'm a little lost. Thomas Howard, Would you mind terribly if I use your quote, "breaking the law is breaking the law." Your a genius man. I'm sure you found this site will surfing your mensa sites.
I dont believe it has to do with the gender of the deer taken... It is about the fact that someone so blatently disrespected the rest of the men and women in this country who buy thier licenses and spend the time and energy it takes to pursue and hopefully harvest a once in a lifetime specimen such as this... Its a slap in our face,and I for one am as MAD AS HELL!!! You should be too...
I don't see why he wouldn't hunt it like a normal person.
I think hunters like Thomas Howard are perfect examples of what anti hunters think we all are. Who else here thinks he would shoot this buck out of season if the opportunity arose? After all, it's just breaking the law, just like we all have done. Yall keep typin dem der double negatives an callin norwegians norWEIgans. Get a clue, spellcheck, and try to stay on point.
hey buckhuner is that a northern pike?
It's a shame a decent hunter like me or you will not get a crack at this deer because some scumbag poached him. Karma is a b*tch though, no doubt.
who said anything about shooting it out of the truck,jhanson??????and if u r so nieve u cant get my point,than u need help.all im sayin is we have all done somthing that was against the law,were not perfect.but maybe u r????????????.
yes poaching an animal is wrong,and yes he could have wated for shotgun season.but hey what if that buck chased a doe out into the roadway, and a mom with 3 young kids hit him and they all died ???????some things r ment to happen for the best.
Would have been a great trophy. Too bad it was allegedly taken illegally. I'm sure the fine will be about the size of that rack!
What is the world coming to? To many activists and tree huggers out there. Something like this is only a big deal because it is a record buck. He still had to put his time in and work for this buck, only thing is he didn't have a tag for it. Who in their right mind would pass this buck up while bowhunting on private land. Have a friend tag it or something. You morons are just jealous you didn't get this buck or publicity!
thats a shame. thats a huge deer that could have placed high up there.
Somebody tell me what this buck has to do with race, politics or gender???? Much less the pres. Yeah I'm not perfect but I don't go breaking laws just cause I feel like it. Any poaching is a big deal to me but this is that much more because of the rack. Some people don't understand this, they think because this one with a rack is a big deal than other poaching isn't. It's all a big sad deal but especially this one.
Lawbreaking IS lawbreaking, but how many of us have broken game laws?
Amen,I hate road hunters.. They are and will remain the biggest shame to the sport. They make the "snapshot" with no regard to whats beyond near or around the intended target.Further more no matter what time the road hunter is around i firmly believe they are poachers. Face it you give all ethical hunters bad names.
That is a shame that deer deserved to be taken the legal way and not to mention some honest hunter could have had a very nice trophy to show off and give the deer the respect it has earned.
A+ for being an idiot
He gave us the opportunity to view a bohemoth 8 point buck.Hell,the largest 8 point in the world.3 yrs.ago I also had the opportunity to harvest a monster 10 pt. at 12 steps,but it was 2 days before general season.Yeah I had a gun and yeah I let him walk,possibly to never see him again.
this guy is a disgrace to the hunting world,what a dumb ass!!!
I bet everyone reading these comments wants to be just like Thomas Howard when they grow up!!!
Duhhhhhhhhh!!!!! He already had 2 illegal deer before he killed this 8.Sounds to me like he got publicity for those 2 deer along with the 8.
Guess we could all turn our heads and not give a shit,only to fall in the same category with T.H..
By the way,nice buck T.H.(LEGAL or ILLEGAL ?)
its a dang shame what people do. any one who hunts knows the possibility of seeing a monster like that is unlikely. but you get stupid people like this that dont care. people like this should charged as if they killed a person.
Truly disgusting! This guy should get a HUGE fine and several years in jail. With BIG BAD BUBBA for a cellmate.
I kind of miss the subtle nuance of a good public flogging!
Flogging, hmmmmmmmmmmm thats just for a START!
thomas is amazing
, goo story.
thomas is amazing
, good story.
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thomas howard-
First off; He never should have been in his stand if he were already tagged out.
Second; "envy"? The fines and public humiliation that come with an act such as this are enough to deter me from poaching, not to mention that it's unethical.
And lastly; Race and politics have nothing to do with this story.
Hefty fines, Public humiliation and license revocation for a number of years is what this guy needs.
to be counted for the record books, the tine has to be longer than 1 inch, and despite its size, i don't think that is 1 inch.
"Ask any veteran B&C scorer, and he’ll tell you to kill a “Booner” (a buck that qualifies for the B&C all-time awards minimum of 170” ), the buck better have at least ten tines, long main beams, and plenty of mass. Only a handful of 8-point whitetails have the right stuff to crack the B&C book."
Just talked with Kentucky's Department of Wildlife biologist this past weekend, and he verified the exact statement
above.
The one and only way to punish poachers, is to hit 'em with a large fine, and publish their mug in every state's hunting regulations, deer expo's and on-line, through public humiliation. Let the real hunters publically scorn and benefit from their hefty fine!
Don't just show off the huge rack,show the punishments,just as buckhunter said.Showing how much it pays off doesn't deter poaching,showing what a deep pile of crap you'd be in deters it.
some people's kids......
I'd rather see this story emphasize the harsh punishment recieved by the poacher. I just don't see how showing off the huge racks helps deter poaching.
"I just don't see how showing off big racks deters poaching" Ding Ding Ding Ding, congradulations! you have discovered the reason many people can think of nothing but big racks. Excess comercialzation!
this is a hell of a way to find out the deer i ve been hunting got poached!
Sounds like thomas howard supports poaching. How do you justify any of your nonsense? More importantly, do you consider yourself a sportsman with this banter? By the way, when you break the law and get caught, it does get publicized in some form, usually on a criminal record. I'm all about hefty fines and publication. Poaching should result in the loss of your hunting priviledges in all states...first offense. Hit them where it hurts.
Fiest who ever the mutt was should have any hunting privlages revoked for good ,.period.
Second any one have any idea how much the deer weighed ,. the rack looks downright prehistoric ,..
bet that was whopper .
Third who is this cracker Thomas Howard ,..
yall sounds like you got your head so far up your craker A$$ yall are high on methane gas .
I think hunters like Thomas Howard are perfect examples of what anti hunters think we all are. Who else here thinks he would shoot this buck out of season if the opportunity arose? After all, it's just breaking the law, just like we all have done. Yall keep typin dem der double negatives an callin norwegians norWEIgans. Get a clue, spellcheck, and try to stay on point.
Somebody tell me what this buck has to do with race, politics or gender???? Much less the pres. Yeah I'm not perfect but I don't go breaking laws just cause I feel like it. Any poaching is a big deal to me but this is that much more because of the rack. Some people don't understand this, they think because this one with a rack is a big deal than other poaching isn't. It's all a big sad deal but especially this one.
Lawbreaking IS lawbreaking, but how many of us have broken game laws?
Thats a real shame. I don't understand why it is so hard to do it legal.
its to bad that a buck like that has to go to waste when it could of been lifelong memory for someone else
What an incredible buck. I hope the poacher gets punished pretty hard. I can't imagine what that deer must've looked like on the hoof.
That must've been a beautiful deer. Sickening that it was poached by some greedy scum.
it's a shame that people have to do that. wouldn't you want to be the hunter to put your name in the " book " then be the one to be booked????? i sure would with a buck like that....8 points and netts 188 ... one of 34 that would be award in it's self
WOW get your lazy butt out and hunt ethically
makes me sick
A 32 year man, of Cannon Falls was charged this morning in Goodhue County with 13 counts of illegal taking deer. If convicted, he faces $19,000 in fines, up to a year in jail and revocation of his hunting license.
According to twincities press.
I'm pretty sure he had it at the taxidermist and thats how they found out about it. I also read some where that he had shot a smaller 8 pointer earlier on, and thats why he no longer had an archery tag. Hope he gets jail time.
I think he should be forced to relocate to the inner city ,a safe distance from any park and next to a expressway.If there is a picture of this buck ,I'd like to see it with the rack but stricken his name from the record.
And if he is in the picture silhouette him out with a tutu and hornedrimed glasses.
I would also like to know how they caught the poacher. That is rediculous that someone would shoot such a monster and not want to even keep it. Poaching just makes me sick.
This is just sickening. He deserves more of a punishment. I'm from Minnesota and in the paper it said he was looking at "possible" jail time and 2000 dollars in fines and other punishments. What about the hunters that had put in the hours and scouted it and tried desperately to get a shot at this monster. It's people like this that give hunters around the world a bad name.
A buck like that... its a shame and it makes me sick. on another note WOW to the size of that rack...
thet kind of stuff realy tick people off
Wow, what a monster! I hope that poacher gets Jail time and a huge fine. Oh and loose his hunting rights for life. Oh and take his guns away for sure!
some people just suck at all aspects of life
I dont believe it has to do with the gender of the deer taken... It is about the fact that someone so blatently disrespected the rest of the men and women in this country who buy thier licenses and spend the time and energy it takes to pursue and hopefully harvest a once in a lifetime specimen such as this... Its a slap in our face,and I for one am as MAD AS HELL!!! You should be too...
I don't see why he wouldn't hunt it like a normal person.
First off I hope they "FRY" the PUNK that shot this buck.
Now, why can't they enter it into the B/C books and "display" it in their "wall of shame" ?
There are all kinds of reproductions that are "on tour".
I don't believe that any resident to the state would be denied a tag. Just buy one they are not that expensive!
To tell the truth, i think the stupid idoit that shot that buck sou;d get slapped across the face for not getting it shoulder mounted. i know it's wrong, and the poacher prolly knows it wrong. if pople know its wrong why do they still do it? if they keep doing will there still be bucks with more then 4 points for our kids to shoot????
A beautiful 4 by 4 wasted to a freaking "thrill-killer".I say that because he had to be out for that buck,not trying to feed his starving family.
what a shame should have just waited for gun season
how'd he get caught 1st of all? 2nd i think he should be given hefty fines and have to work towards the betterment of the natural resources in the area weather it be planting food plots for where the deer was shot in a form of community service...
The record books are deceiving,, They list total number of points per side, with no destiction of normal or abnormal, Consequently a main frame 4x4 with two small burr points etc could show in the book as a 5x5, but score as a 4x4.
It may very well be the largest clean 4x4, but it is possible one bigger may be in the books, the total number will definitely be higher than 34 if all you did is look for records of deer with only 4 points per side.
Regardless, it is one heck of a deer and one of the saddest stories ever if it doesn't do anything to change some people's thinking on hunting legally and ethically.
that is a real shame that buck is gone and that it wwas taken by someone who isnt enough of a hunter to do it legally
This buck makes my homestate of MN stick it's chest out with pride, it's just too bad it had to be taken illegally. I hope more pictures of the horns surface soon, I'd love to see the side views and hear the measurements. With a score like that the beam length must be incredible and the symmetry as well. Only a handful of bucks ever get this wide too! I hope the guy that shot this buck loses his right to hunt for a long time, forever would be fine with me.
Wow what a magnificant buck to bad it was taken illegally i think it should be put in the record books but not with the poachers name on it the poacher should get more than 19k in fines for poaching 13 deer that is definetly not doing it to feed your family Just sickening
Wow what a magnificant buck to bad it was taken illegally i think it should be put in the record books but not with the poachers name on it the poacher should get more than 19k in fines for poaching 13 deer that is definetly not doing it to feed your family Just sickening
You know, I'm against poaching,,, but, I don't think it would have made that big of a story if iy was a doe. Sorry to be so obvious
Somebody help me out here. What's a cracker? Did this dude eat the deer after he shot it? Is venison good with crackers? I'm a little lost. Thomas Howard, Would you mind terribly if I use your quote, "breaking the law is breaking the law." Your a genius man. I'm sure you found this site will surfing your mensa sites.
It's a shame a decent hunter like me or you will not get a crack at this deer because some scumbag poached him. Karma is a b*tch though, no doubt.
Would have been a great trophy. Too bad it was allegedly taken illegally. I'm sure the fine will be about the size of that rack!
Amen,I hate road hunters.. They are and will remain the biggest shame to the sport. They make the "snapshot" with no regard to whats beyond near or around the intended target.Further more no matter what time the road hunter is around i firmly believe they are poachers. Face it you give all ethical hunters bad names.
That is a shame that deer deserved to be taken the legal way and not to mention some honest hunter could have had a very nice trophy to show off and give the deer the respect it has earned.
around here that would be a 9 point, even though one point on the left is small its still big enought to count...
mock1 your totatly right.if it was a doe no one would give a care.just because it has an enormous rack the whole world has to end.
thats a shame. thats a huge deer that could have placed high up there.
A+ for being an idiot
He gave us the opportunity to view a bohemoth 8 point buck.Hell,the largest 8 point in the world.3 yrs.ago I also had the opportunity to harvest a monster 10 pt. at 12 steps,but it was 2 days before general season.Yeah I had a gun and yeah I let him walk,possibly to never see him again.
this guy is a disgrace to the hunting world,what a dumb ass!!!
I kind of miss the subtle nuance of a good public flogging!
yes poaching an animal is wrong,and yes he could have wated for shotgun season.but hey what if that buck chased a doe out into the roadway, and a mom with 3 young kids hit him and they all died ???????some things r ment to happen for the best.
Truly disgusting! This guy should get a HUGE fine and several years in jail. With BIG BAD BUBBA for a cellmate.
Flogging, hmmmmmmmmmmm thats just for a START!
thomas is amazing
, goo story.
thomas is amazing
, good story.
hhmmmm????.o yeah ,yohan,u sound a little norweigan if u ask me.so why dont u take your dumb self back to that hell hole yall call a country.and were did u learn the word cracker???and if you keep talking we can all see how ignorant u people really r.
hhmmmm????.o yeah ,yohan,u sound a little norweigan if u ask me.so why dont u take your dumb self back to that hell hole yall call a country.and were did u learn the word cracker???and if you keep talking we can all see how ignorant u people really r.
who said anything about shooting it out of the truck,jhanson??????and if u r so nieve u cant get my point,than u need help.all im sayin is we have all done somthing that was against the law,were not perfect.but maybe u r????????????.
What is the world coming to? To many activists and tree huggers out there. Something like this is only a big deal because it is a record buck. He still had to put his time in and work for this buck, only thing is he didn't have a tag for it. Who in their right mind would pass this buck up while bowhunting on private land. Have a friend tag it or something. You morons are just jealous you didn't get this buck or publicity!
I bet everyone reading these comments wants to be just like Thomas Howard when they grow up!!!
Duhhhhhhhhh!!!!! He already had 2 illegal deer before he killed this 8.Sounds to me like he got publicity for those 2 deer along with the 8.
Guess we could all turn our heads and not give a shit,only to fall in the same category with T.H..
By the way,nice buck T.H.(LEGAL or ILLEGAL ?)
its a dang shame what people do. any one who hunts knows the possibility of seeing a monster like that is unlikely. but you get stupid people like this that dont care. people like this should charged as if they killed a person.
hey buckhuner is that a northern pike?
does doe tags make any sense to you?your not as smart as you talk.we all do r fair share of law breaking,the only difference is yours doesnt get publicized.down the road at one point r another we break the law ,breaking the law is breaking the law,just because he killed a deer with no tag doesnt make him no worse than u.
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