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February 09, 2010

Hurteau: 420-Pound Buck Was Killed On Game Farm

By Dave Hurteau

Seen this horse yet? It’s the latest mystery monster making the rounds (or maybe its second or third round) in cyberspace. Depending on which source you reference, the buck pictured was killed in Maine or maybe in Ontario and weighs 400, no 414, no 440 pounds. The resounding question is: “Is this photo for real?” After a little poking around and a couple of dead ends, I wound up on the phone with Shorty Flees of Wisconsin’s Wilderness Whitetails Game Farm and Preserve.

“Yes, it is a legitimate buck. I mean, we are a high-fence operation—I want to be clear about that--but this is a real buck,” said Shorty. “It was taken last September and weighed 420 pounds live-weight--the heaviest deer that’s ever been shot on our place. In fact, your readers can go on our website and watch the video of the hunt.

[Photos: Wisconsin Record-Book 202-Inch Typical Buck]

“Our client hunted this deer for 11 days. We’d had very warm weather and this buck just would leave his bed in a cedar swamp during the day. But it finally cooled off, and the hunter caught the buck making its way from the swamp to a food plot. He was so pumped, he just went nuts. He was kissing the deer.”

Last fall, Wilderness Whitetails clients shot 38 bucks over 200 inches, including one 340-incher. Now, whether or not you call high-fence hunting “hunting” is a separate question, which you’re welcome to address in your comments. (Would you take a free hunt at Wilderness Whitetails?). But the answer to the question so many people seem to be asking is yes, the photo is for real. Check out their promotional video.

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from huntnow wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

regardless of the fence, this is amazing. great deer.

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from bigjake wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

not hard to tell it was a high fence hunt....look at how he is dressed.I would rather sit in the real woods and see absolutly nothing than shoot fish in a barrel.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

No thanks. I'd have just as much fun shooting a cow across the road.

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from seadog wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

What's that hog-buck been eatin? Twinkies?

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from Z-Mohar wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Sad about the high fence, otherwise amazing animal.

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from babsfish4life wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

What a big piece of livestock, WOW. You should see the worlds largest potato, I get about as equally impressed. Now that is what I call a good farmer!

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from seneca_slabs wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

That is a huge buck but like you guys said NO THANKS. I'm with bigjake it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Shewt, they load that food plot up with french fries or something?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

"Wilderness" Whitetails. Heh. Apparently not.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

If you have enough money someone will grow you a monster you can shoot from the window of a luxury blind. Bet that guy paid thousands to shoot that pen raised deer. Why not just take him to a slaughterhouse.

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from Eric Greene wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

That deer couldn't jump a fence anyway.

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from Eric Greene wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Kind of like shooting deer at a petting zoo. I wouldn't call it hunting.

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from Sharkfin wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

My question is, how many acres are high fenced in? Is it 2 acres, 20 acres, 2000 acres? No question, this is a MONSTER! I can understand someone that owns 2000 acres fencing in the entire property so nothing gets in or out. I wouldn't want to spend thousands of $'s on food plots and habitat to have some yahoo next door shooting every button buck they see much less a monster I've been watching for three years.

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from IowaGuy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Huge deer, but still a canned "hunt". Bet they figure out some tricks and tips from some farmers on how to fatten him up (french fry oil from the local diner mixed with a bunch of corn and sweet feed from the elevator really helps fatten cattle)

Can't wait to post some picture of the hereford steer I've been "hunting" in the feed lot......hey, if anyone wants to pay me $5,000 dollars I can promise you it will be the "hunt" of a lifetime.

Sorry, I have more respect for the guy who goes out on public ground and gets a doe.

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from Judd McCullum wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I'd be happy to have a chance to spend time watching animals like that, but I'd never hunt in that situation with gun or bow. I'd take a camera.

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from jbird wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Looks like a farm-raised pig to me. Nice buck, but if he can't leave, then you ain't huntin him. I don't care if it's 10 acres or 10,000.

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from silsbyj wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Website said a total of 800 acres. Nice buck but spend your money on a nice gun or bow and get your ass out into the real hunting ground.

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from dukkillr wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I'm not big on shooting fenced-in deer either, but I've heard somewhere that a buck generally stays within a two-mile radius his entire life...so, technically, if there is enough acreage then a hunt on these fenced in properties can be pretty close to a luxury private hunt on non-fenced land. I haven't ever hunted on a high-fence property, and I don't intend to, but I can see it both ways.

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from VAHunter540 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Thats an awesome buck regardless of the fences he was behind and steroids he must have been on. As to a free hunt? I would have to say possibly, but can I just take pictures instead of shooting?

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from Mark J wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

And just think the largest buck ever killed was a full 100 pounds heavier than that! Would have loved to see pictures of that one.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Can money really buy happiness? I'm with Del and Buckhunter, not my cup of tea. Feed them and worm them they shall grow inside that fence...

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from seadog wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

That's a nice buck in the "farming" category.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

i hate high-fences...but at the same time, i wouldn't consider having to hunt a deer for 11 days in a row "shooting fish in a barrel"...just sayin...

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from backlash wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Not my idea of deer hunting...The website says they offer approximately 800 acres of "managed property", but no indication if that is broken into multiple smaller areas (how big is each "pen"). 38 bucks over 200 inches with prices "individually" determined for over 200"....based on the other rates that would be at least $15,000! As long as people are willing to pay, there will be these places with that amount of $$$ involved. I think the spread of CWD can be attributed to these type operations/deer farms.

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from jjas wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I guess between genetic experiments, constant food, high fences and game cameras this is a what's considered a "hunt"?

In other words, mutate their genes, stuff them stupid with food, keep in a pen and monitor their whereabouts with cameras so they can be "hunted" by people with fat wallets.....

No thanks....what a joke. Why not go on a bison "hunt" next......

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from Damon619 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

it's cool to see how big deer can grow under ideal conditions but you will never catch me high fence "hunting" as they call it. I feel it's like hunting in a zoo.

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Pat yourself on the back boys, It was a hell of a hunt, it took five of us to get that fat bastard on his feet so Jerry could shot him ethically in front of the cameras, it will make one hell of a video though, we should make a couple hundred thousand on royalties, more than enough to keep us in business for a couple more years.

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from cas0905 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

i do disagree with fenced hunting but that is one hell of a rack id let him hangout on the wall over my bed

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from Big O wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Yep that IS a big deer.
BUT as said it's more cow than deer.
That would be like shooting a "long-horn" steer to me.

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

MR,client saved that buck from a heart attack."Wheres the beef?"

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from Judd McCullum wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

OK. 800 acres. Almost the first thing I noticed in the sidebar of their site was "semen." Don't judge me. How do you suppose they get that from these "wild" bucks. At first I thought that experiencing something like this wasn't that bad but when I checked out the price page I gathered that each and every last single one of their deer is inventoried and accounted for pretty much at all times. Bucks and does. If your running a breeding operation that's fine, but don't refer to hunting when you're actually just pointing out specific bucks to be culled from your stock.

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from lkhollje wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Wow, how we are quick to judge how someone does something different than us. This man is his opinion, had a great accomplishment in his life. And we choose to shoot it down. That's the problem with this world. Remember when your mother use to tell you, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. To the gentleman that shot the deer. Great job, I wish it was the one I shot this year. Congradulations.

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from Brittle wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

regardless of fence amazing buckkkkkk
go wisconsin
but hunters need to stop high fence hunting

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from huntnow wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

after watching some of those videos, i honestly feel sorry for those guys because they have no idea what hunting is.

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from Joel Panian wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Big deer, but I wouldn't hunt there. I don't see how I could have as much fun as I would if I was out on public land where the deer have the advantage over me.

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from RichardF wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

This makes me think of the feed lot for beef catle, some places will inject the catle with steroids so that they grow faster and fatter. I imagine that this prociedure is also good for a whitetail, not saying this is what they are doing to get a 400+ pound deer.

I also like the scope on the rifle for teh last hunter. It makes me think of the things that you put your quarter in on top of the tall tourist buildings to see a mile, no true hunter would carry that thing on his rifle in the woods.

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from jjas wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

What's next? Butterball turkey hunts?

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from tbogg10 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

very nice buck, but its a shame he wasnt taken by a real hunter, anyone with half an ounce of sense can shoot a deer in a cage, thats not real hunting, like someone stated above i have more respect for someone who shot a doe on non fenced land, and earned it, and not with their wallet.

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from phale wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

How would you feel good about yourself if you went out and shot a deer in a highfence area, its like gong to the zoo and shooting a lion or a zebra, no skill involved. I know i would not feel any pride in shooting a highfence deer idk if it is a world record buck, id rather kill a doe in a non fence free roam area.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

if you look at the pictures the it just doesn't look like a hunt the deer look used. almost separate entirely from the racks they sport on there heads.maybe its the fact that the deer are young and have freakishly large headgear.

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I would take a "fair chase" six pointer over that "fenced" bruiser any day of the week.

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from kyle wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Looks like they got some nice bucks in their pen. But ridiculious on the price. But thats not the way to call a person a "hunter" About the free trip, I honestly will have to take it if they get me all espense paid. Now wait before you give me -s If I shot one of these moster bucks I would not, I mean would not be going around saying I got this big buck because I'm the greatest hunter. I would not all try to get money from big buck contest or be showing it off at all the deer hunting shows. I just think it would be pretty awesome to have a head mount like that in the den. I would take lots of pictures in the field but not one picture will make to the public. I been 100% honest with people that I did not hunt this deer at all I shot it at a farm. Just because I have this big buck on the wall does not mean I proud of it, never will be. I am very proud of the bucks I have on my wall. So, is it hunting NO, if they invited me to shoot one of these in their pens you bet I'm heading that way.

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from hnestle wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

To everyone his own. I'll stick to the real wilderness, and last time I checked it was outside of a pen. But I'm with kyle if it was all expenses paid I don't think that I could turn it down. Free trip.

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from jcarlin wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Where is the line for everyon on fenced hunting? Hunting for deer in a high fence operation doesn't appeal to me, but I'll admit there's probably a size of enclosure where the fences are academic. I don't have a lot of areas within an hour of me where there's more than 5,000 acres open to hunting in a stretch. If it'll take you a good part of a day to walk around, is it really a pen?
On the other side of things, going to a pheasant operation is pretty openly accepted by the hunting community, and a pig hunt on a game farm kind of appeals to me since there's not really any wild pig opportunities nearby. Anyone?

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from Firehunter wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Do you call this Hunting?....NOT!!

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from bennyfreeze wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

How did it take him 11 days to hunt this animal? Definitely don't call this "hunting". I like that they're interested in genetics and a healthy species, but to a certain extent, I think that superior rack size doesn't necessarily equate to survival of the fittest. Nature should be allowed to take it's course. We play God way too much. Hunting in order to thin numbers is fine, but this is just too much.

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from NolanOsborne wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

jcarlin, I see what you are talking about, but I think it is less about the physical boundaries, and more the fact that these deer are engineered to be like this, and they are monitored frequently. Meaning that if you have enough cash, they will show you the best of the best. In my opinion, any hunt where there is 100 percent guarantee is not really a hunt, its no different that going to the range and someone saying, shoot that target.
As for pheasant operations, to my knowledge they dont breed turkey sized pheasants, monitor them religiously, or charge astounding prices. Pheasants were native to Ontario, but because of the change in farmland ( smaller fields, hedgerows, fencelines etc) to huge cashcrop operations it has pushed them out, and they only exist in tiny populations. Therefore to hunt them, they need to be stocked.
That being said I have never hunted pheasant, or on any other managed land.

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from NolanOsborne wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Also, anyone else find think camo is unnecessary when you are sitting in an elevated penthouse?

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from workmandave wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

A fool and his money are easily parted.

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from Jacob A. Craig wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I agree with everyone who disagrees with this new phase in deer farming it ridiculous a trained monkey could go out and shoot a buck on a fenced in property like that. The guy probably hasn't ever taken a deer before, paid big money and just went out and shot one, to bad it had to be a really nice deer even though it was on a farm.

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from jcarlin wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I hear you Mr. Osborne. I guess I wasn't really thinking about the nature of the beast, more the terrain. Also, I think it's largely the "trophy" aspect of it that grates on people. It's one thing if it' private land which is fenced and has a native population. Think of being allowed to do herd control on a small airfield. It's another thing if you're "hunting" an animal that is treated like a prized steer and grows accordingly. I'm not necessarily against the industry, though the disease vector aspect concerns me. Everyone has their reasons and their preferences. I can't say I've ever had the time and money to spend on such a thing, but I feel like you could outfit yourself for and book a decent safari or alaskan hunt for less. Especially if you have 11 days to kill doing it.

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from IowaGuy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I understand Sea World is now opening up some of their tanks for "fishing" if you have the cash you can "catch" the fish of a lifetime. ....

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from Cory wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I would be curious if everyone knocking this as a canned hunt uses game cameras, synthetic deer pheremones, electronic calls, deer feeders, salt licks, etcetera.

You want a challenge, go hunt public land on foot without using electronic survailance for two months to "pattern" your deer.

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from waterdrinker9 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

HAHAHA!!! That thing is huge.

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from klvthatsme wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Are you sure it didn't die of a heart attack? That deer is obese.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

If you watch the huntin videos it gets even better, saying how hard they worked for there trophy. Oh yea and in one video dont worry about the beer bottles in one of the box blind the guys huntin out of.

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from Steward wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

To lkollje: Quick to judge? Maybe. But standards are a good thing.

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from Steward wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I understand the attraction: "give me more bone!" But after looking at the website, a lot of thoe racks are just a mess. I understand their commitment to their breeding program, but I prefer that those genese stay behind the high fence.

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from The White Slug wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

It took me a long time to get a doe and a button buck on public land. I can only hunt a few days a year and had to work hard to gain what few skills I have. But that's the fun part. So if I go to the Mustang ranch and shell out five grand for a menage a trois, I can subsequently brag to everyone how "skilled" I am with picking up women?

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from Sneaky wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

It's not for everyone, but it's hardly a crime. I think some hunters would rather associate with serial killers than high-fence hunters. I find that odd and disappointing.

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from workmandave wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Looks like 'roids make deer bigger also.

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from workmandave wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Can't stnd these fenced in areas focus of diseases like chronic waste, breading grounds for diseases that cold threated health of the wildlife just across teh fence. If some of these deer get out and interbred with native deer, could it affect teh gentic health of the native whitetail? The monster whitetails are rare because nature can't totaly support them, takes a bunch of energy to grow those racks and native's don't have feeding bunks and 24 hr vet care like these deer do

Should close down these places, threat to native wildlife

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I think you overstate the case sneaky. As for high fence, it's not really hunting if you know where the deer more or less will be owing to food plots, trail cams, etc. And in this particular case it's really more like livestock culling. The thing seems to be an ENGINEERED buck. Artificially selected, bred in captivity, fed the perfect diet, and protected from all forms of predation until ready to fetch a nice price. There's nothing wrong with that, if I could buy a cattle tag for the range where I hunt I'd do it for the meat. Heck, here in AZ there is a bison hunt where, if you're luck enough to get a tag, the G&F sends an officer with you to tell you which bison you're allowed to shoot. It's culling, not hunting, but I'd do it. (I'd do it with style though, and use one of those Uberti/Sharps 1874 with the creedmore sight and the 32" octagonal bbl).

And of course, trail cams and food plots ANYWHERE, high fence or not, aren't really hunting either, IMO. But they work for scoring meat, so it's not the sort of thing that bothers me enough to want to put a stop to it.

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from Dann wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I think there's a difference between "canned" hunts and "high fence". To me, canned hunts are guaranteed, i.e. the guide knows such-and-such animal will be the same spot at 2 pm.

High fence isn't necessarily the same. I hunted a high fence place in Texas that was 6000 acres, thats 9 sq/miles and I'd hardly call that a pen. Where do you draw the line?

These operations have a place, they're for the new guys just learning, or the old guys that can't physically take a brutal hunt anymore.

As I get older and have the choice giving up hunting or going high fence, I'm afraid I'd probably go high fence, until I couldn't do that anymore.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

11 days of "hard" hunting ... doesn't sound like a canned hunt or shooting pigs in a barrel. I've never hunted a fenced area so don't know what it is like and won't judge. He is one happy guy, for sure. That deer ... is something else. Those that haven't watched the promo video might want to watch it.

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Iwonder what that bucks batting score was??

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Nice piece of Livestock for sure. Hunting? no

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from Judd McCullum wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I'm on the fence (no pun) about those huge places in Texas. They have wildlife managers and have a pretty good idea of what's on the property with guidelines to protect breeding stock. When you think about it 800 acres is not a lot of ground for this many deer to come from. When you think about the bucks that they have on hand being groomed for the "Gold Hunt" the number of deer per acre has to relate to a livestock operation in such a way that many folks who would consider themselves woodsmen would immediately shy away from it. I'd like to hear from the guys who run this place and see what they have to say about all our comments and criticisms, and since I haven't said it yet these are some pretty incredible deer.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I have a neighbor(about 3 miles as the crow flies) that has such a high fence op. Sometimes when I'm riding by the place, I wonder about what critters are there, and if they would be as woods-wise as the ones on my family's place. I bet not.

I have seen in-the-wild deer that pushed the 325# mark (that's big for GA -I'm sure others yawn at that) before and they are awesome to see. But rabbitpolice88 said it all for me:

"I would take a "fair chase" six pointer over that "fenced" bruiser any day of the week."

The overwhelming majority of us here are all about the HUNT. Not animal husbandry. This is the male deer equivalent of Anna Nicole Smith. This creature had beauty in the eye of the beholder, but also had a flawed story because of the pushers and the pimps, and the money that could be made off selling it......

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from mikedelisle09@y... wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Not hard to tell that its a fenced hunt. He is prolly just some amiture hunter with some money to spend on a hunt like that.
Not to mention he didnt grow that rack on his own they were feeding him plenty of stuff to boost the growth of that rack and body.
You will never find me hunting in a fenced in area, its like shooting fish in a barrel with a high powered rifle.Its cheating and always will be!

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from workmandave wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Bet this "sportsman" did not even get a drop of blood on his hands dressing this side of beef!

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from MB915 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Not a chance in ..... that I would take a free hunt on a game farm. I have come to the conclusion that I most likely will never shoot a B&C buck in my lifetime, since I mainly hunt in VA & PA and I am ok with that. In the states I hunt, I hunt on public land in the deep woods, not a lot of deer, but when you get one, its that much more rewarding. In my mind, my 115" bucks are a greater trophy than shooting a 200"+ "trophy" on a game farm.

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from ricefarm wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I don't care how old it is, you don't get that much fat on an animal without a lot of high octane feed. I seriously doubt you could do it with corn alone. This has the smell of hunting a steer out in someone's pasture.

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from Aaron wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

For anyone who remotely thinks this is an ethical way to hunt or manage Whitetails, go to their website and watch their promo video. The deer have been bread to become genetic freaks. Some of those bucks can't even hold their head up from the weight of their antlers. That's a disgusting way to treat an animal the rest of us respect!

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I wonder if any of their deer on that place get 'roid rage????
And for sure there needs to be an asterisk next to any entry in any book on this one.....

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from buddhaman wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

What was that buck eating? He is so fat that he is a discrace to his breed. No thanks I'd rather work hard for a 120 than that slob. Too bad though you know what they say about fat people. I bet he was a funny buck though.

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from randog wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

wonder if we could get McDonalds to add this to their menu with the rest of the slaughter house products. i would rather hunt my own farm (and own it for about the same price per year). according to most fenced hunting companies that's around a 40-50k hunt. what some people will pay is amazingly STUPID!!!!!!

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from Drew YoungeDyke wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Is this really all that different from a lot of the shows on Versus TV? As long as they don't let them out of the fence, they can call it whatever they want inside it. Everyone has their own line in the sand, whether it be at high fences, trail-cams, food plots, baiting, or anything else that takes the "wild" out of the wilderness. I wouldn't hunt the deer that hang out in the woodlots behind my in-laws house in the suburbs because they don't fear humans enough, but that's part of my own line in the sand. This buck is the logical culmination of a hunting industry that's focused on the rack rather than the hunt.

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from Dakota.Woman wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

If I shot a buck that size, I expect I'd kiss it too. I'm no fan of fenced-in "hunting", but I'd definitely kiss this buck. I take it he was too hefty to bound lightly over any fence - say, 3 feet tall? On t'other hand, What A Rack! and then there's all that taLOH (meat) to cook - yumyum on a long term basis!

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from Nailer wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Did he actually shoot the deer or was it asleep? I see no entrance or exit hole. There is no skill involved in this type of hunting, it should be called killing. Don't get me wrong, killing animals is the name of the game but there is much more to HUNTING than just the killing.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

BUCKZILLA! So much for venison being a healthy low fat source of protein. What was the marble score on a steak from that steer, err buck?

I had always thought that wildlife were public domain. We as citizens have either equal share in the ownership, or equal responsibility in the care & protection of all wildlife. Land owners are perfectly entitled to limit access to their property to people. However, I do not understand how land owners claim the right of limiting the ingress and egress of deer for the purposes of hunting and profit. Do those land owners actually hold title to the cervids on their property? Does the state DNR have no jurisdiction to what goes on beyond the high fence? I say it's about time we tear down those fences and free the deer.

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from Wolftrax wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Like killing a market hog and posing with your trophy. Not for me. I am a hunter with my ethics intact. 11 days or not, I'd rather hunt a wary Maine buck all season and go home empty handed. Nice deer? Well at what point is enough enough? It's like breast implants, pretty soon you cross the line from nice to freaky!

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from bhyogy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Honey, I'm going to the store to get us a real nice buck, I'll be home in time for supper !

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from chad fessenden wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I love the fact that there is someone who raises these huge deer and offers this kind of hunt (love to see them). Have I ever gone on one? No! Will I ever spend that kind of money for a hunt? No! Would I go if given the opportunity? Heck yeah, at least once. Of course I prefer to hunt "wild" animals, but I don't believe anyone (given that they love to hunt) who says they wouldn't take a hunt like this if the oportunity was given.

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from James Boldig wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Sorry, I'll pass I'll stick with the woods and nearly no deer

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from larrymac wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Looks like 400 lbs of fuel for the anti-hunting fire to me.

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from OlFatDick wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Hmmmm............
Yes, Nice Buck. At 5'10", 225 lbs and a little sparse of hair, maybe I'm also a contender for Mr. Universe?

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from larrymac wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Take a look at Wilderness Whitetails website and you will see some testimonials from some of their clients. One is a chapter president (Ted Schutte) in Iowa for the Wild Sheep Foundation! I wonder if that organization is promoting genetic engineering and high fences for those animals? Sickening. Oh, and another client is a pro baseball player! I guess i don't need to wonder what his stance on performance enhancers are.

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from TX Hunter wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

That's why they call it "hunting season" and NOT "killing season". Anyone ever hunt on a federal refuge? That's primitive hunting.

Apparently, there are some who are willing and able to pay for the "killing season" license. Of course, the "kill fees" are high. It's just that it's not hunting. Would it be called "put and take"? They take the "hunt" out of hunting.

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from petersbw85 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Although I agree with most of the comments on high fences being, well "stupid." I would think that there would be no way that I would hunt at a zoo like this, unless there was even the slightest chance to shoot a 400 pound monster. I know you all say you'd never do something like this but come on, this this is gigantic, you know you would hunt it if there were no charge.

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from dirt72801 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

To each his or her own. I personally wouldn't want to hunt in a high fence place, but they all still eat the same don't they? If you are just a horn hunter, then you are well on your way down the same path that leads to high fenced hunting. That is an absolutely amazing animal and I don't hold anything against the guy who killed him. There are alot of people who go on paid hunts each deer season who did not do the work, they paid for someone else to do the scouting. This is just taking that to a higher level, so be happy for the guy and he can have an star by his name for it being high fenced just like the professional sports stars that use steroids. Life is to short to be that worried about what everybody else does. Take a deep breath, look around, and enjoy life, as my kid would say "hate the game and not the player". This is still AMERICA home of the free. We pay taxes to have the right to do anything we want as long as it is not illegal.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Frankenstein's monster from someone's high fenced laboratory. If this is what hunting has come to....the be all do all is body size and horn size at any cost and any way available, then the whole concept of hunting has been lost. 38 bucks over 200 B&C in one season? What is the culmination of this going to be? Crossing whitetails or mule deer with elk DNA to produce the Irish Elk again?
Gentlemen, there has to be a limit somewhere.

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from tennesseeman wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

wow this is a big deer but come on man i agree with the guys that said i rateher take a doe on public land i hunt on public land every year not around food plots just the elements so i couldnt imagine paying thousands of dollars to jsut get in the record books on a farm fed deer i would spend my money on going back to my home state(montana) and taking a muley or a monster elk on private land its the thrill of the hunt and it does not thrill me to sit in a heated blind in my casul clothes to shoot like i said a farm fed deer personally i think its pretty pathetic

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from dsmhunter wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

It is really too bad that this is what our sport has come down to...shortcuts. Like everything else, money trumps all. I am sorry but this IS NOT hunting, it is SHOOTING. It is guaranteed that there are deer there, so now all you have to do is make sure you can shoot. Why not shoot them over a bait pile too...then that way you're sure to bag one. I mean you paid thousands upon thousands of $$'s for the canned hunt, why not take all the guess work out of it.

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from petersbw85 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Since when is selective breeding viewed as a bad thing? Anyone with a dog, cat, or any other animal owns a piece of selective breeding. Even in the natural world, this occurs. I know that this deer was not truly "wild", because it was bred and fenced.
Would we really want a bunch of little deer running around, and I'm not just talking rack size. It has always and will always be about body and rack size. Even to a meat hunter, size is everything. I would much rather shoot a 150 pound doe than a yearling, I believe you would agree?

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from Clift Dweller wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Venison don’t you mean veal with horns, any wild animal taken inside a fence or under a drum of bait is nothing more than glorified hunting in a “Zoo”. Men with muscles built on steroids and women constructed of silicone don’t don’t impress me much, nor do wild animals that are treated like livestock. It’s just another “Avatar”

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from bowhrad wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Some of these bucks look like they've been feeding at Three Mile Island, not at Wilderness Whitetails. Anti-hunters love videos like this. My hats off to Wilderness Whitetails for making ALL hunters take ten steps backward.

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from masterofmeander wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Reading this reminds me to go feed the bass in my bath tub. "Yo! Billy! Let go of the twins--oh, bass! Okay, let go of the twin..."

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from tracy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Its a sad world when we start raising deer like we do cattle. Its all about the dollar!!

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from kennasdad wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

That's more money than I can spend to shoot a deer. More fun trying to outsmart even the Pa does than the monsters in a cage

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from tracy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

A whitetail is a animal breed and born in the wild. These animals should be called barn bucks

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from jhenn4 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I hope this is not going to go into some record book. I hope this guy doesnt think he is a real hunter. Come on man, do it the right way. Granted it is a nice deer to see but not shoot. They should of brought it to the circus.

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

From the number of comments it is easy to see how a deer "hunter" feels. The animal sure is big and that is about the only thing positive I can say about the deer. If you look at the deer it doesn't look "normal" . It looks like what it is- a farm raised animal fed to make it fat. I would not even take a free hunt at that place if I never shoot another whitetail buck. I will have my does for my deer meat and if a "good" buck comes my way then I will be happy. I arrested a guy one time for going to Penn. to a game farm and buying and killing a whitetail buck and brought it back to WV to win a $125 prize at a sporting shop's big buck contest. I suppose the game farm people will always have people to do business with, but a buck like that means absolutly nothing to me.

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from Ridgerunner821 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Wait until you all see the pics of the goldfish I just caught out of my fish tank! It's huge!

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from MD Huntress wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

These places do just like fish hatcheries. When they are done milking these deer for semen or urine they turn them out to pasture. A hand full of sweet feed would have got this guy close enough to slit the deer's throat. Wow there's a story! Think I'll stick to free range hunting thank you.

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from Badduck wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Pathetic. About all I can say about it. The animal is a beast. But as a hunter I would be too ashamed to tell any of my buddies that I shot a deer in this situation!

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from SLOWHUNT wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

To begin with let me stress that I am against caned hunts where a paid guide sits in a condo stand with you and points out which deer they have picked out for you to shoot, no, I do not beleive this is real hunting. Now that I am in my 60's and have had 3 back surgeries, 2 heart attacks and am crippled with arthritis and unable to hunt the way I way brought up to do by my Dad I am not so sure that I wouldn't welcome a deer shooting experience since it has been a few years since I have been able to hunt. If I were still able to walk the woods as I once did I would be tickled to death, since I can't any type "hunt" would beat sitting at home.

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from Whyhuntingguide wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

What I dont understand about High Fence hunters is. That when they do take a monster animal they always lie about it and say It was taken other wise. If you are not proud of how you hunt why go there!! I agree with others that have commented it does nothing for me to hunt a animal that has no chance of getting away from me to save its life!! This is not hunting to me hunting is your knowledge of the outdoors VS the animals you hunt.
Not hunting in a large fenced in pen (no matter the size of the pen) just so you can say you harvested a monster animal.
I am not against High Fence hunting because I understand thats all some people know or have time for.
But if you want a real challenge hunt outside the box and experiance the thrill of nature at its best!
I am a free range professional hunting guide and small outfitter myself and I hunt with several different hunters in several different states every year and most would agree with me on this topic.
If you hunt in the box dont compare it to the outside of the box. Dont try to enter it in our record books just to see your name there either the people in those books work hard every year to harvest true trophies of a lifetime to get in there. They are real hunters with real hunting ethics.

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from Whyhuntingguide wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Slowhunt if you are looking to go hunting again please feel free to contact me at bryanaclines@msn.com I can get you hooked up with a hunt that you will enjoy. I enjoy hunting with kids, women and disabled hunters I do it every year and have not had a bad hunt yet. I even got a antelope for a gentleman that was legally blind due to diabetes and pancrease failure. So I am up for any challenge just hate to see anyone that wants to hunt not have the chance to get out there and hunt!

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from TR wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

(Conversation with my kids) "Yes kids, I know we always talk about conservation, what it means to be a sportsman, and the heritage of great men like Roosevelt, Muir, and Leopold, but daddy wants to kill something and other people think it's alright so I'm setting my values aside and heading out to kill a farm animal. Please do as I say not as I do. (Kids response)"I think I'll take up soccer and join the humane society."

Moral: Kids can spot a phony a mile away. We won't get their attention or respect if we don't walk the walk in our sporting lives. And then there goes our hope for the next generation of American Sportsmen.

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from tuckerj5047 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Call it what it is, but I wouldn't mind stalking one in that situation, but definitely not still hunt one.

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from notarichman wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Last October I hunted for about a week for mule deer with my right arm in a cast (i'm right handed). Had to shoot my partner's lever action .44 mag because i couldn't use my own rifle. After the week ended, we had only seen 15 deer between us, but I got a 4 x 4 shooting left handed. national forest land is the only place we can afford to hunt.
That hunt didn't mean that I'm a great hunter, just lucky. I'd feel really lucky to get a buck that big because I'm a meat hunter. By the time my buck was in the butcher shop with all the unnecessary parts cut off, it only weighed 100 pounds.
You betcha i wouldn't turn down a 420 pound monster!

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from scottprice wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

"hunting" in a high fence is not hunting...i would not congratulate him in the least bit

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

(Bump)BUCKZILLA! So much for venison being a healthy low fat source of protein. What was the marble score on a steak from that steer, err buck?

I had always thought that wildlife were public domain. We as citizens have either equal share in the ownership, or equal responsibility in the care & protection of all wildlife. Land owners are perfectly entitled to limit access to their property to people. However, I do not understand how land owners claim the right of limiting the ingress and egress of deer for the purposes of hunting and profit. Do those land owners actually hold title to the cervids on their property? Does the state DNR have no jurisdiction to what goes on beyond the high fence? I say it's about time we tear down those fences and free the deer.

(I've bumped this in hopes that someone will speak to these questions.)

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from Frank Nicholas wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

This is another example of funds over fundamentals. If you don't have time to track, ambush, gut, haul and process your meat; just pay someone else to do it. So typical of the "right now" mentality. What's next- virtual hunting with laser guided missles?

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from salmonquest wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Did he actually hit it or did it just drop dead from a heart attack when the gun went off. Geez I thought venison was supposed to be lean??

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from rudyglove27 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

No thanks..The people that hunt on these deer farms are consider a shooter not a "hunter" to me. It involves no skilled on the person who wants to get a deer simply because they have fat pockets and able to get it from high fence farm owner..This deer probably had a heart attack from the gun going off..If prices listed are based on gross score, then this called "hunter" paid well beyond $12,000.00 and probably closer to $25,000.00 to be the proud killer of this pen raised deer!!!

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from blackjac wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Take the time to view their promo video...Pretty clear to me what your getting into from a $$$$ point of view to pull the trigger. Been to one of these "hunts" as an observer.... the guide will tell you exactly what it will cost you prior to your shot. I'd guess this animal cost well over 25K.

"There's an ASS for every seat in this world"!!!

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from redneckbeer wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

LOL,I've a female dashound and she's the same color, overweight and yes she sleeps in the house and eats out of a bowl, but I'll be damn if I'd shoot her, that hog looks more like a pet than a game animal, and what did it weigh when the fat was cleared away???

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from jusdane wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

38 - 200+ class bucks shot in one season on a little more than ONE square mile. How many "deer of a lifetime" (if wild) did this guy pass up on waiting for this one? Please, not even close to hunting . . . no thanks.

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from Green With Envy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Aw, C'mon. If the owners of that game farm called to say they'd let you hunt their high-fence operation for free and pay your expenses, half of you would hurt yourselves getting to the car. It's a business, that's all. If someone is willing to shell out the money to hunt such deer, so be it. Let's not get so jealous that we attempt to paint our deer-envy as higher ethics.

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from Drew McClure wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Yes i am going to need to borrow some heavy gauge wire cutters, seems like big money cats are hogging the top breeding specimens, that I feel would be happier roaming the other side of the fence, giving heart attacks to hunters, and sore back ends to does.If I could come in and dart one of these beast, I think it would be a nice addition to the Ozark Mountain herd, where 200lbs and 125inches is a helluva trophy.We do have giant red squirrels to trade!

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from Chuck Sheaffer wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Well the trouble with shooting FARM Raised Deer is they throw all the Record Book bucks off.
what I mean is there should be one Record Book for "Farm Raised Bucks" like this one and others you see them shoot on TV and then the Regular Record Book Bucks for the rest of us hunters who hunt totally public property.
There should be an * or a seperate category is all I'm saying. It's a nice Buck but looks more like a "COW " to me! I'd never see that in Pa in the wild:-)

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from Judd McCullum wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

John Muir had many great quotes, but he coined one in his last years fighting for Hetch Hetchy's preservation.

"Nothing dollarable is safe."

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from Gunslinger wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I've hunted canned hunts, and it's no fun. THe owner is only let you kill what he wants taken out of his hered. No doubt the so-called hunter in this case hand many $$$$ to invest. Me,I want a wild hunt, we here know there are many deer around, but where? thats why we hunt them. SA for 2 2 mile radius, not so, I killed a deer ayear, that 3 days before was shot at 6 miles away, but the rut was on.He aparently had a great hid-away, as weighed 289 lbs and l0 points, not bad for wild hunting. Our problem now, is, lamdownes been screwewd by many hunters and they will not allow us on their land. I see why, we got 2 ponds , allowed a gy and his Son to fish, well he apparently brought the entire neighbot, as it looked like the city dump around tthe pond and the water, plus the cut the wires to get a boat in the water. So If you are allowed to hunt another mans land, leave it as you found it, word spreads in hunting country. My next dor Neighbor wants to hnt my land, told him if I saw or heard of him on my Land the funeral home would wipe his A__, that is if my Dog don;t chew up his Ass first. Time is fast approaching when we only gonna have land that we pay to hunt or fenced hunts. Try hunting the Rockies, you will pay dearly for access to BLM land and then sometimes, they will now allow you to cross it. MAny of the outfitters will post BLM land as their huntig grond, check it out, not always true as I found out. Good hunting, hunt safe and shoot straight.

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from Gunslinger wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I've hunted canned hunts, and it's no fun. THe owner is only let you kill what he wants taken out of his hered. No doubt the so-called hunter in this case hand many $$$$ to invest. Me,I want a wild hunt, we here know there are many deer around, but where? thats why we hunt them. SA for 2 2 mile radius, not so, I killed a deer ayear, that 3 days before was shot at 6 miles away, but the rut was on.He aparently had a great hid-away, as weighed 289 lbs and l0 points, not bad for wild hunting. Our problem now, is, lamdownes been screwewd by many hunters and they will not allow us on their land. I see why, we got 2 ponds , allowed a gy and his Son to fish, well he apparently brought the entire neighbot, as it looked like the city dump around tthe pond and the water, plus the cut the wires to get a boat in the water. So If you are allowed to hunt another mans land, leave it as you found it, word spreads in hunting country. My next dor Neighbor wants to hnt my land, told him if I saw or heard of him on my Land the funeral home would wipe his A__, that is if my Dog don;t chew up his Ass first. Time is fast approaching when we only gonna have land that we pay to hunt or fenced hunts. Try hunting the Rockies, you will pay dearly for access to BLM land and then sometimes, they will now allow you to cross it. MAny of the outfitters will post BLM land as their huntig grond, check it out, not always true as I found out. Good hunting, hunt safe and shoot straight.

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from trtorok wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Are you sure he shot this deer, or did he just fall over dead from a heart attack. I don't see any entrance hole or exit hole? Either way, I always taught my son to obey all the game laws and to respect the deer that he shot. I don't even like the hunts that I see on these hunting movies where the hunter is in a blind way up in the air and he shoots without the deer having a chance of detecting the shooter. How can anyone call this practice fair chase? So, I don,t think I can say that this is a fair chase practice either. No wonder the animal activists are on our back and we are having trouble keeping our young people interested in our sport. Call me old fashion!!!!

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from buckeyeben wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

amazing buck

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from Jag2u612 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Yea I concur with those who suggest "It is hunting in a barnyard!" But then someone needs to tell that hunting channel "Versus" to stop showing Jeff Foxworth and his co-host cohort as they shoot giant deer in that barnyard! The guy who actually hosts that "Bucks of Tecomonte" or whatever they call it showed his daughter taking a big buck and what a great Father/Daughter experience it was so special that later that afternoon she nailed another even bigger buck! What? Where? What state except Texas allows you to take two bucks in the same season?????? Barnyard hunt or not don't you still have to follow State and DNR rules?

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from rponack wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

High fence? Wouldn't have to be too high I think for this hog, probably couldn't jump a 5 foot fence. Hunting to me is killing a wild animal not a caged in, spoon fed, domesticated animal which this obviously is. This is NOT hunting. I feel bad for the deer. Cut down the fence and let the deer be what nature intended...wild.

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from tom6782 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

i really feel sorry for these deer, they will never live a normal life, what these people are doing is just like cloning people, look at some of the pics of deer people have shot, they do not look right. i prefer to do things the old fashioned way. but as long as there are people with alot of money, just wanting the experience of hearing their gun go off, there will be places like this. their website makes me sick. zoo animals is all they are, they should just open up a petting zoo for the kids instead of shooting them

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from BrookieBuster101 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

that is one helluva deer fence or not. Ya pay for quality, and thatg right there is quality.

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from Global VR wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

High fence hunting is usually cheaper when you take into account all of the time you take off of work to chase huge whitetails every season across the states of Ohio, Missouri and Kansas like I do. Game preserve hunting is just as exciting and challenging.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Global, perhaps you could get a new hobby, or learn to hunt, and not be so greedy.

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from Green With Envy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I think it's just hilarious to read all the holier-than-thou garbage that many of you apparent idiots are posting here about this high-fence hunting harvest. Have all of you jealous, Dudley Do-Rights considered the gear you're using to hunt whitetails these days? Many of you posting negative comments are regularly using rangefinders, carbon-activated clothing, ballistic reticled scopes, in-line breechloading "muzzleloaders", scoped crossbows, C'mere Deer, and a host of other hunting gadgets that give you all manner of unfair advantage over the animals you hunt. I, too, hunt and I use virtually all of the gear I've just listed and... I consider the gentlemen that harvested this deer to be just as ethical as myself (or any of you bitchin' yahoos for that matter). The distance between the hunting tactics of most of you belly-achers and this man's hunting accomplishment is very slight; it's only a matter of degrees. Furthermore, from what I've read here, for the most of you... if you had an original thought go through your head, it would be the shortest trip in North America. Get a life and get over it!

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from Hunting2010 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Weather you are for high-fenced hunting or against it; that is your choice. These bucks are not allowed to be entered into contests or record books (except under the correct category of high-fenced). I am proud to be a deer farmer and I also own a high-fenced hunting ranch. There are codes and ethics that we must abide as well as rules and regulations. The bottom line is that all hunters need to band together or all of our hunting methods will be "picked off" one by one. I love to hunt and could not imagine not being able to hunt by the method that I prefer. You have archery folks that think that rifles should be illegal, primitive archery groups that think compound or crossbows should be illegal, gun hunters that don't like archery, gun hunters that don't like muzzleloaders, groups that hunt deer with dogs, folks that think you should not be able to hunt during rut, hunting over feeders or food plots. These arguments are all dividing the hunters and their methods for hunting; which is exactly what the anti's want.. If you don't like high-fenced hunting; then don't go, but don't judge the folks that do. Besides, it is up to the lord to judge us; not each other. I don't have the room here to debate the issue, but I feel you should be able to do anything that is legal on your own land. I still believe in property rights. What you do in your home or property, is your right as long as it is legal. Watch Keith Warren and take the High Road, it can be better explained there and me trying to do it here.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Hunting2010 - welcome to the F&S website community. I see you came on to defend your industry which has been taking quite a beating on these pages. Green With Envy - I see you also are a newbie to these pages, but your motivation apparently is to insult the intelligence of all the readers on this site.

But, back to the topic; this is not a religious question that needs to wait until judgment day for an answer, but a question of ethics, you are right, choices and property rights within our hunting community, therefore a political question. Religious, not political. If we were better at discussing, educating about, and setting standards for hunting ethics then the “antis” would have less ammo to use against us. We should not use the “anti defense” for avoiding healthy discussion and debate within our own ranks.

Certainly Hunting2010 you will agree that simply because something is legal does not make it right. Abusing a child has always been wrong, but it wasn’t until the early 1970s that all states had somewhat effective child protection laws in place. I think some good points have been raised on this thread about the ethics of high-fenced hunting. I expect that most of what goes on beyond the high fence is legal, I am just not convinced that it is right.

Hunting2010, I am glad that you have entered this discussion so that perhaps you might answer my questions and speak to the points that others have made. My questions are: 1) Land owners are perfectly entitled to limit access to their property in regards to people. However, I do not understand how land owners claim the right of limiting the ingress and egress of deer for the purposes of hunting and profit. So, how do land owners justify the fencing-in of wildlife? 2) Do land owners actually hold title to the cervids on their property? 3) Do state DNR agencies have jurisdiction to what goes on beyond the high fence? I look forward to your answers and to reading more of your posts.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Political not religious. (Clarification of above)

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I agree with hunting2010. I myself would never hunt high fenced ranches, but I am not a very good examble because I own thousands of acres to hunt on in Western SD. I hunt this ground every year, and feel I am deserving as a land owner to get tags for free from the state like I do because I do feed all the wild life at my expense. I also allow hunters to hunt who ask and are curtious to hunt and never will take any money for it. I like to allow people the access, but see nothing wrong with someone trying to make money by charging for hunting. Someday if I am having trouble paying for the place I may have to charge for awhile to make extra money. For now I will allow access. Just to be clear, this doesn't mean that I have never told someone no, I do have a lot of people who hunt every year, and myself along with family, so I have to control the amount of hunters somewhat depending on the amount of deer we have. My only point here is quit judging people who live differently than you do, just because they figured out a way to make money and give someone an experience. And remember that the owners of these high fenced ranches are also on your side when the antis come attacking. And if you don't agree with the people who enjoy this hunting you don't have to have anything to do with it, but don't ruin their experience just to get your two cents in, as it may mean more to them than anything else in the world. My last point to everyone that has said that wildlife should remain wild. I agree in a way, but also remind you all that every pet you own was originally wild until humans tamed them. Cattle and horses(farm animals) were wild until humans came along. I agree to leave wild deer alone, but if someone owns land and buys expensive stock to put on their land, then yes I think they have the right to manage their deer herd the same way I manage my cattle herd.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

whoops, I meant "example"

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from bigbasser wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

This is not real hunting, just getting something for the $$$ spent. Read the late Howard Hill's book " Hunting The Hard Way". It was published long before trail cams, high fences and game farm became the norm. The skill is gone.

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from muskiemaster wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

living in central WI I can honestly say I've never heard of this place and I'm glad i haven't it's a shame they need to shoot that thing in a pen. As for the free hunt why not it's like walking into a slaughter house and choosing the largest cow you want to slaughter I wouldn't need to shoot another deer for food purposes.

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from Hunting2010 wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Dan, I did not join this discussion group to insult anyones intelligence. I was hoping that I could shine some light on the discussion. There is a ton of information that needs to be given to the hunting and non-hunting community on high-fenced hunting. For example, there is a huge difference between high-fenced and canned hunting. Canned hunting is not condoned by any group that I know of. The high-fenced hunting code of ethics states that the prey MUST have ample cover and room to elude/escape the hunter. Which is why the hunt mentioned took 11 days. Sometimes these hunts have taken several months. I would like to take time to answer the questions that you had posted. Every state is different on the rules/regulations that govern a high-fenced operation and for good reason. Lets agree that 100 acres of flat, treeless prairie is not the same as 100 acres of thick swamp for example. In most states, the high-fenced area is cleared of native deer after the fence is erected (normally done by deer drives and inspected via helicopter & trail cams by DNR). Therefore deer are stocked, similar to your favorite trout stream or lake. These deer did not come from the "wild" in most states. Some state DNR's sell the "wild" deer to the hunting ranches; each state is different. Some state DNR's have jurisdiction of seasons and bag limits inside the high-fenced area and some states it is left up to the land owner to set their own seasons and bag limits. There is a lot to having a quality high-fenced hunting ranch with a lot of rules and regulations which govern them. Weather you agree or disagree this is how I see it. The DNR is tasked with setting seasons and bag limits based on herd size, herd health, amount of land, etc and they are paid to do so; via taxes, license sales, tax on sporting goods, etc.. Everyone pays someone else to hunt.. You can also spend a lot of money to have an outfitter guide you on a elk hunt in Idaho on public land (in excess of $10K). That is a wild animal belonging to the public, you are paying for a service. That service is someone that has done most of the work and scouting for the client. To me this is no different. You are paying more for the service than the animal. Typically the state makes money from hunting on these ranches as well (hunting license is usually required and the hunt is taxed in some states). I hope this answered some of your questions. On another note: I feel that a high-fenced hunting ranch is a very safe place to hunt, great place for beginners to get started, for folks that can not get around that well (we have several clients in wheelchairs), folks that can not get time off from work, folks that don't have access to hunting land, and folks that want a better than average chance at taking a buck that scores over 200 inches. Many of your readers may not fit into any of these categories, but certainly there are many folks that do. I can not tell you how many times that I have a parent call and ask me to take their child for the day or weekend and teach them how to use a gun/bow and take them on a hunt. These are folks that themselves do not know how to hunt or lost their husband or whatever has happened to them to put them in this situation. They are usually crying because their child wants to hunt and they have no idea how to get them started or where to take them. We are talking basic fundamentals and a completely safe place to hunt. A lot of hunters don't take the time to bring new people into the sport or offer their land for new hunters. I donate these hunts many times each year at no cost to the family. It is easy to sit back and say that this or that type of hunting should not be allowed. Instead of doing/saying negative things about the hunting sport; lets all try to do something positive for the hunting sport.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Hunting2010 thank you for your informative and thoughtful response. You have provided much information, new to me, that helps me have a more open appreciation for high fence hunting. I did not mean to suggest that you were insulting the readership. My remark was directed to the other writer.

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from LW wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

HUNTING2010---I was on my way to college in 2006 and was in a car wreck paralizing me from my chest down, since then I haven't been able to go "hunting" like I used to because wheelchairs and outdoors don't mix to well, I can't go still hunting and sneak up and ambush deer like I used too. I would have no problem hunting in a fence, because people don't realize what they have until it's gone, such as your lower body. You had mentioned that you had donated some hunts to individuals and I was wondering if there was any certain criteria for you to donate a hunt. I would love to shoot a big buck, but don't have the money because it is VERY expensive. Where I live we just don't have any and everyone shoots the first thing they see.

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from bigmike7272 wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Anyone up for some fishin' at the hatchery with me?

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from Hunting2010 wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

LW, sorry to hear about your misfortune. I am a US military veteran and we have had several veterans that were injured and thought that they would not be able to hunt again have great hunts with us. I am not sure what area of the US you are located, but I am certain that I could get you in contact with someone near you. Let me know which state that you would like to hunt in and I will try to get you in touch with someone nearby for you.

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from Carney wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Every forest has an edge. The edge of the forest is like a fence for the deer that live there.

I don't recall the last time (if ever) that I heard of anyone hunting one particular deer for 11 days straight like this hunter did.

Do you get my drift?

Well, let me spell it out then. It doesn't take 11 days to shoot fish in a barrel. And it doesn't take 11 days to walk across the road to shoot the neighbor's cow. No matter that this was an "ultra managed" buck, the hunter paid 11 days' worth of dues to finally take it. So what if he had $5000 or more to spend on the hunt? Good for him! His enthusiasm over taking this buck is well warranted!

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from LW wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Hunting2010 - I live in Oklahoma, but to just have a opportunity like that it wouldn't matter what part of the US it was in....I would drive there, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity.

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from BigBore wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

I watched the video of this deer being slaughtered. It explains a lot. I guess I am glad that Wilderness Whitetails Game Farm and Preserve puts on hunts for the mentally challenged. The fella that killed this particular head of livestock didn't know that this it was raised in a pen and carried an ID tag in it's ear. He just wanted to be like his heroes on the Outdoor Channel. Good for him.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Viewing some of these hunting videos has reinforced my antipathy for high fence hunting. The bow hunters sort of work for their bucks, or their choice of bucks. It does seem a little more sporting than sitting in the country club blinds, sipping beer, and making bad shots. Could just as well open a window and shoot a deer in your yard, except the deer in my yard lood like deer, not monstrosities.

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from KBI1 wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

I stumbled upon this forum and decided to set the record straight in regards to this deer. I happen to be one of the owners and know a little about it.

The deer was not officially weighed but estimated to be approximately 420 pounds.

The photo was not photoshopped as some have suggested.

The deer has never been on steroids as some suggested. He was not born in breed pen, nor did he have an id tag as was posted recently. The deer never ate out of anyones hand. In fact the deer was born naturally in the hunting preserve. The deer is believed to be 4 years old.

The hunter did hunt 11 days for this buck. There were also a number of other hunters who hunted unsuccessfully for this buck. Some people in above posts made mention to the deer like he spent his entire life around people as a pet until he was shot. Actually the exact opposite is true. This deer had little to no contact with people his entire life. He was seen a handful of times during his 4 years but that is about it. If the deer ever sensed that a person was around he disappeared. I am guessing he had less than 5 minutes of contact with humans in his life (This does not count the few times he was seen from a stand when he had no idea someone was there).

The truth is this buck is not a whole lot different than all of the other bucks in the preserve. These deer spend the majority if not all of their lives in the preserve. They are very sensitive to hunting pressure. They will wind you as fast as any wild deer. The hardest animal to kill is a well fed mature buck that is heavily pressured. Many of the mature bucks in the preserve only move at night. Some have gone entire hunting seasons without being seen.

Yes there were 38 200" bucks shot at Wilderness Whitetails in 2009. The reason is because the genetics are incredible and the deer are allowed to mature. Unfortunately this is not the case with free range deer. It should also be noted that numerous hunters every year have gone home unsuccessful. Many hunters had to extend their hunts extra days before they harvested a deer. When hunting any preserve you are limited to harvesting mature bucks. As mentioned before these are not nearly as easy to get as most think. There are bucks in the preserves that are 8 or 9 years old that have eluded hunters for years. Some of them are giants.

Whether you believe in high fenced hunting or not it should be pointed out that Wilderness Whitetails is only successful because of the hunting experience that is offered. The people who hunt there want an incredible hunting experience and they get it. These people are not just about killing. Nearly all of the Wilderness Whitetails hunters hunt free range whitetails as well. It should also be noted that never has a Wilderness Whitetails buck been entered in a record book for free range deer.

It should also be noted that the owners of Wilderness Whitetails have also donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to organizations like SCI who do a ton for the conservation of wildlife and protect your rights as hunters. Wilderness Whitetails also does hunts for handicapped and dying kids as well as wounded veterans. You don't know about this because they are not going around doing this stuff for recognition.

It would be great I could give everyone a free hunt. I know for a fact that there are thousands that would take me up on the offer. This makes me believe the dislike for preserves is mostly about money. I am pretty sure that most of the people who commented above have never really been to a high fenced preserve and I guarantee if you were to do a hunt any reputable high fenced operation your opinion would change. Since money has been mentioned many times in above posts I will say this. You really need to realize that by the time you buy a large chunk of land and turn it into a preserve you may have several million invested. It may seem as though the hunter is spending alot of money but you need to factor in what it takes to provide that hunt opportunity and you will realize that it is pretty hard to get rich doing it.

Sorry this was long but I could not believe how misinformed some were so I felt I would take the opportunity to set the record straight.

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from KBI1 wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

I stumbled upon this forum and decided to set the record straight in regards to this deer. I happen to be one of the owners and know a little about it.

The deer was not officially weighed but estimated to be approximately 420 pounds.

The photo was not photoshopped as some have suggested.

The deer has never been on steroids as some suggested. He was not born in breed pen, nor did he have an id tag as was posted recently. The deer never ate out of anyones hand. In fact the deer was born naturally in the hunting preserve. The deer is believed to be 4 years old.

The hunter did hunt 11 days for this buck. There were also a number of other hunters who hunted unsuccessfully for this buck. Some people in above posts made mention to the deer like he spent his entire life around people as a pet until he was shot. Actually the exact opposite is true. This deer had little to no contact with people his entire life. He was seen a handful of times during his 4 years but that is about it. If the deer ever sensed that a person was around he disappeared. I am guessing he had less than 5 minutes of contact with humans in his life (This does not count the few times he was seen from a stand when he had no idea someone was there).

The truth is this buck is not a whole lot different than all of the other bucks in the preserve. These deer spend the majority if not all of their lives in the preserve. They are very sensitive to hunting pressure. They will wind you as fast as any wild deer. The hardest animal to kill is a well fed mature buck that is heavily pressured. Many of the mature bucks in the preserve only move at night. Some have gone entire hunting seasons without being seen.

Yes there were 38 200" bucks shot at Wilderness Whitetails in 2009. The reason is because the genetics are incredible and the deer are allowed to mature. Unfortunately this is not the case with free range deer. It should also be noted that numerous hunters every year have gone home unsuccessful. Many hunters had to extend their hunts extra days before they harvested a deer. When hunting any preserve you are limited to harvesting mature bucks. As mentioned before these are not nearly as easy to get as most think. There are bucks in the preserves that are 8 or 9 years old that have eluded hunters for years. Some of them are giants.

Whether you believe in high fenced hunting or not it should be pointed out that Wilderness Whitetails is only successful because of the hunting experience that is offered. The people who hunt there want an incredible hunting experience and they get it. These people are not just about killing. Nearly all of the Wilderness Whitetails hunters hunt free range whitetails as well. It should also be noted that never has a Wilderness Whitetails buck been entered in a record book for free range deer.

It should also be noted that the owners of Wilderness Whitetails have also donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to organizations like SCI who do a ton for the conservation of wildlife and protect your rights as hunters. Wilderness Whitetails also does hunts for handicapped and dying kids as well as wounded veterans. You don't know about this because they are not going around doing this stuff for recognition.

It would be great I could give everyone a free hunt. I know for a fact that there are thousands that would take me up on the offer. This makes me believe the dislike for preserves is mostly about money. I am pretty sure that most of the people who commented above have never really been to a high fenced preserve and I guarantee if you were to do a hunt any reputable high fenced operation your opinion would change. Since money has been mentioned many times in above posts I will say this. You really need to realize that by the time you buy a large chunk of land and turn it into a preserve you may have several million invested. It may seem as though the hunter is spending alot of money but you need to factor in what it takes to provide that hunt opportunity and you will realize that it is pretty hard to get rich doing it.

Sorry this was long but I could not believe how misinformed some were so I felt I would take the opportunity to set the record straight.

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from Carney wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

KBI1,

Thanks for your post. I appreciate your gentlemanly attitude and the your "just check the facts" candor in writing.

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from Hunting2010 wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

LW, I may be able to work out something with a good friend of mine in OK. I am not sure how (or if I can) send and email to you from this site. I don't really want to post his info on here.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

"Photo is from Wilderness Whitetails in Wisconsin, outfitter who takes hunters shopping for their pen-raised, fenced-in, genetically manipulated enhanced, pet deer." This apt discription of the photo I came accross at gon.com .

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

If you're controlling the genetics, it's a domesticated animal. It's livestock. Nothing more. People may think they're hunting on your Game Farm, and if they want to believe it and you can sell them on the idea, that's their choice and your Business Model. But the animal in that picture is no more a "natural" beast than was Dolly The Cloned Sheep, or your average Dairy Conglomerate Holstein.

I'm glad you had a chance to defend your business model here, and I won't say you shouldn't be allowed to do what you do, but that's not "hunting" and "wilderness" has nothing to do with it.

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from t-bilt wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Yeah, it's huge but looks almost freakish. Fence or no fence 100 acres or several 1000 acres. Deer just don't get that big without some sort of unnatural feed in the mix. I hunt and kill deer to provide clean protein for my family. I'd have to think this beast would pass growth hormones through the food chain and to me and my family. No thanks, we eat enough Chicken to take care of that!
I kill does 99% of the time... they eat better than bone to me. The bucks I have killed are all outside the ears with a spread no less than 16". My personal best is a 160" double drop tine.
I'm a guy of modest means. I can't see dropping thousands of $$$ to shoot a deer, elk, or any big game. Put me in the open woods with my single shot 7mm-08 and I'll fill the freezer with naturally nutritious meat for my family for the price of shells and some hand warmers. ;-)

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from Green With Envy wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Hey DAKOTA DAN, I wasn't looking to insult ALL the readers on this forum, just the IDIOTS (that's only about half, I figure). Careful, or you'll get yourself mixed in with'em.

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from PSEbowhunter wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

even if i shot that deer i would not be happy knowing that it was not a wild animal...fences take the sport out of hunting sorry but that is how i feel

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from struttingtom43 wrote 4 years 6 weeks ago

Who needs calls when you can whistle and they will come running right up to you...thats not even true hunting. Just curious what do you feed the deer on your farm.

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from Doorman wrote 3 years 25 weeks ago

That one big buck. I would take him. If people don't like it because it was taken behind a high fence. Maybe they should not comment at all. As hunters we should all stick together, there is already to many people trying to take it away from us. Maybe next time just great deer, he hunt for that buck for 11 days. H.F hunting is not just walking in and shooting a deer.

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from cayleb hapest wrote 3 years 11 weeks ago

this is not hunting. If this guy wants to say he hunts, then he needs to hunt open land with a long bow. other than that he should said he baited and trapped it caue the buck cant leave the area. It took me 4 yrs. to shoot a doe and a year later i shot a 15 piont for my first buck. It was shot on farm land without fence.

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from Nicole Vaartjes wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

Any animal shot on a preserve or deer farm where they are penned in shouldnt even be legal to put in the record books. Make their their own seperate record for that BS. It may have the same wild instincts but to me it's cheating. I mean all of us real hunters are out scouting for the year until deer season starts not knowing whats going to come about in the real world of whitetails. Im just stating my opinion but I have one question. If this was a record buck and its stated that it was only estimated to wiegh 420lbs, why wasnt it actually wieghed and measured?

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from Mike Taulbee wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

i hear a lot of guys kicking the high fence hunting, i throw tags away lots of yrs simply because i don't see one big enough to put it on,but i do see a lot of these so called real hunters driving around with lil deer that if you're gonna compare fence hunting to farming, then i'd compar thier kill to hunting babies at a local delivery room,and no higher up than 3rd grade,i'm talking about spikes,2-4-6-and lil small 8 points if given the chance could be wall hangers, if i could afford to go there i'd love to come up and get to shoot a monster buck like that.
it's getting so very few people are really hunting anymore anyways, trail cams that'll send pics,times and dates right to your house whats the difference , having a fence up or having spy cam showing every time the deer comes to your feeder that has your big double bull blind sitting in 20 yards of it,

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from Pam Denton wrote 1 year 19 weeks ago

Well I think a deer that is shot in high fenced area is just wrong that is not a true hunt nor a true hunter.Thats just my opion!!!!!!!!!!!!

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from Pam Denton wrote 1 year 19 weeks ago

Well I think a deer that is shot in high fenced area is just wrong that is not a true hunt nor a true hunter.Thats just my opion!!!!!!!!!!!!

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from bigjake wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

not hard to tell it was a high fence hunt....look at how he is dressed.I would rather sit in the real woods and see absolutly nothing than shoot fish in a barrel.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

No thanks. I'd have just as much fun shooting a cow across the road.

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from Eric Greene wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

That deer couldn't jump a fence anyway.

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from backlash wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Not my idea of deer hunting...The website says they offer approximately 800 acres of "managed property", but no indication if that is broken into multiple smaller areas (how big is each "pen"). 38 bucks over 200 inches with prices "individually" determined for over 200"....based on the other rates that would be at least $15,000! As long as people are willing to pay, there will be these places with that amount of $$$ involved. I think the spread of CWD can be attributed to these type operations/deer farms.

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from huntnow wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

regardless of the fence, this is amazing. great deer.

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from dukkillr wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I'm not big on shooting fenced-in deer either, but I've heard somewhere that a buck generally stays within a two-mile radius his entire life...so, technically, if there is enough acreage then a hunt on these fenced in properties can be pretty close to a luxury private hunt on non-fenced land. I haven't ever hunted on a high-fence property, and I don't intend to, but I can see it both ways.

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Pat yourself on the back boys, It was a hell of a hunt, it took five of us to get that fat bastard on his feet so Jerry could shot him ethically in front of the cameras, it will make one hell of a video though, we should make a couple hundred thousand on royalties, more than enough to keep us in business for a couple more years.

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from Cory wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I would be curious if everyone knocking this as a canned hunt uses game cameras, synthetic deer pheremones, electronic calls, deer feeders, salt licks, etcetera.

You want a challenge, go hunt public land on foot without using electronic survailance for two months to "pattern" your deer.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Shewt, they load that food plot up with french fries or something?

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from jlfreeborn wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

i hate high-fences...but at the same time, i wouldn't consider having to hunt a deer for 11 days in a row "shooting fish in a barrel"...just sayin...

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from jjas wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

What's next? Butterball turkey hunts?

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I would take a "fair chase" six pointer over that "fenced" bruiser any day of the week.

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from The White Slug wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

It took me a long time to get a doe and a button buck on public land. I can only hunt a few days a year and had to work hard to gain what few skills I have. But that's the fun part. So if I go to the Mustang ranch and shell out five grand for a menage a trois, I can subsequently brag to everyone how "skilled" I am with picking up women?

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

"Wilderness" Whitetails. Heh. Apparently not.

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from Eric Greene wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Kind of like shooting deer at a petting zoo. I wouldn't call it hunting.

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from Sharkfin wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

My question is, how many acres are high fenced in? Is it 2 acres, 20 acres, 2000 acres? No question, this is a MONSTER! I can understand someone that owns 2000 acres fencing in the entire property so nothing gets in or out. I wouldn't want to spend thousands of $'s on food plots and habitat to have some yahoo next door shooting every button buck they see much less a monster I've been watching for three years.

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from IowaGuy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Huge deer, but still a canned "hunt". Bet they figure out some tricks and tips from some farmers on how to fatten him up (french fry oil from the local diner mixed with a bunch of corn and sweet feed from the elevator really helps fatten cattle)

Can't wait to post some picture of the hereford steer I've been "hunting" in the feed lot......hey, if anyone wants to pay me $5,000 dollars I can promise you it will be the "hunt" of a lifetime.

Sorry, I have more respect for the guy who goes out on public ground and gets a doe.

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from huntnow wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

after watching some of those videos, i honestly feel sorry for those guys because they have no idea what hunting is.

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from RichardF wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

This makes me think of the feed lot for beef catle, some places will inject the catle with steroids so that they grow faster and fatter. I imagine that this prociedure is also good for a whitetail, not saying this is what they are doing to get a 400+ pound deer.

I also like the scope on the rifle for teh last hunter. It makes me think of the things that you put your quarter in on top of the tall tourist buildings to see a mile, no true hunter would carry that thing on his rifle in the woods.

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from larrymac wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Take a look at Wilderness Whitetails website and you will see some testimonials from some of their clients. One is a chapter president (Ted Schutte) in Iowa for the Wild Sheep Foundation! I wonder if that organization is promoting genetic engineering and high fences for those animals? Sickening. Oh, and another client is a pro baseball player! I guess i don't need to wonder what his stance on performance enhancers are.

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from seadog wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

What's that hog-buck been eatin? Twinkies?

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from babsfish4life wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

What a big piece of livestock, WOW. You should see the worlds largest potato, I get about as equally impressed. Now that is what I call a good farmer!

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from seneca_slabs wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

That is a huge buck but like you guys said NO THANKS. I'm with bigjake it would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

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from jbird wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Looks like a farm-raised pig to me. Nice buck, but if he can't leave, then you ain't huntin him. I don't care if it's 10 acres or 10,000.

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from tbogg10 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

very nice buck, but its a shame he wasnt taken by a real hunter, anyone with half an ounce of sense can shoot a deer in a cage, thats not real hunting, like someone stated above i have more respect for someone who shot a doe on non fenced land, and earned it, and not with their wallet.

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from hnestle wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

To everyone his own. I'll stick to the real wilderness, and last time I checked it was outside of a pen. But I'm with kyle if it was all expenses paid I don't think that I could turn it down. Free trip.

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from NolanOsborne wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Also, anyone else find think camo is unnecessary when you are sitting in an elevated penthouse?

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I have a neighbor(about 3 miles as the crow flies) that has such a high fence op. Sometimes when I'm riding by the place, I wonder about what critters are there, and if they would be as woods-wise as the ones on my family's place. I bet not.

I have seen in-the-wild deer that pushed the 325# mark (that's big for GA -I'm sure others yawn at that) before and they are awesome to see. But rabbitpolice88 said it all for me:

"I would take a "fair chase" six pointer over that "fenced" bruiser any day of the week."

The overwhelming majority of us here are all about the HUNT. Not animal husbandry. This is the male deer equivalent of Anna Nicole Smith. This creature had beauty in the eye of the beholder, but also had a flawed story because of the pushers and the pimps, and the money that could be made off selling it......

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from MB915 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Not a chance in ..... that I would take a free hunt on a game farm. I have come to the conclusion that I most likely will never shoot a B&C buck in my lifetime, since I mainly hunt in VA & PA and I am ok with that. In the states I hunt, I hunt on public land in the deep woods, not a lot of deer, but when you get one, its that much more rewarding. In my mind, my 115" bucks are a greater trophy than shooting a 200"+ "trophy" on a game farm.

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from larrymac wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Looks like 400 lbs of fuel for the anti-hunting fire to me.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Frankenstein's monster from someone's high fenced laboratory. If this is what hunting has come to....the be all do all is body size and horn size at any cost and any way available, then the whole concept of hunting has been lost. 38 bucks over 200 B&C in one season? What is the culmination of this going to be? Crossing whitetails or mule deer with elk DNA to produce the Irish Elk again?
Gentlemen, there has to be a limit somewhere.

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from Z-Mohar wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Sad about the high fence, otherwise amazing animal.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

If you have enough money someone will grow you a monster you can shoot from the window of a luxury blind. Bet that guy paid thousands to shoot that pen raised deer. Why not just take him to a slaughterhouse.

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from Judd McCullum wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I'd be happy to have a chance to spend time watching animals like that, but I'd never hunt in that situation with gun or bow. I'd take a camera.

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from jjas wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I guess between genetic experiments, constant food, high fences and game cameras this is a what's considered a "hunt"?

In other words, mutate their genes, stuff them stupid with food, keep in a pen and monitor their whereabouts with cameras so they can be "hunted" by people with fat wallets.....

No thanks....what a joke. Why not go on a bison "hunt" next......

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from Big O wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Yep that IS a big deer.
BUT as said it's more cow than deer.
That would be like shooting a "long-horn" steer to me.

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

MR,client saved that buck from a heart attack."Wheres the beef?"

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from Judd McCullum wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

OK. 800 acres. Almost the first thing I noticed in the sidebar of their site was "semen." Don't judge me. How do you suppose they get that from these "wild" bucks. At first I thought that experiencing something like this wasn't that bad but when I checked out the price page I gathered that each and every last single one of their deer is inventoried and accounted for pretty much at all times. Bucks and does. If your running a breeding operation that's fine, but don't refer to hunting when you're actually just pointing out specific bucks to be culled from your stock.

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from Brittle wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

regardless of fence amazing buckkkkkk
go wisconsin
but hunters need to stop high fence hunting

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from kyle wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Looks like they got some nice bucks in their pen. But ridiculious on the price. But thats not the way to call a person a "hunter" About the free trip, I honestly will have to take it if they get me all espense paid. Now wait before you give me -s If I shot one of these moster bucks I would not, I mean would not be going around saying I got this big buck because I'm the greatest hunter. I would not all try to get money from big buck contest or be showing it off at all the deer hunting shows. I just think it would be pretty awesome to have a head mount like that in the den. I would take lots of pictures in the field but not one picture will make to the public. I been 100% honest with people that I did not hunt this deer at all I shot it at a farm. Just because I have this big buck on the wall does not mean I proud of it, never will be. I am very proud of the bucks I have on my wall. So, is it hunting NO, if they invited me to shoot one of these in their pens you bet I'm heading that way.

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from bennyfreeze wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

How did it take him 11 days to hunt this animal? Definitely don't call this "hunting". I like that they're interested in genetics and a healthy species, but to a certain extent, I think that superior rack size doesn't necessarily equate to survival of the fittest. Nature should be allowed to take it's course. We play God way too much. Hunting in order to thin numbers is fine, but this is just too much.

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from NolanOsborne wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

jcarlin, I see what you are talking about, but I think it is less about the physical boundaries, and more the fact that these deer are engineered to be like this, and they are monitored frequently. Meaning that if you have enough cash, they will show you the best of the best. In my opinion, any hunt where there is 100 percent guarantee is not really a hunt, its no different that going to the range and someone saying, shoot that target.
As for pheasant operations, to my knowledge they dont breed turkey sized pheasants, monitor them religiously, or charge astounding prices. Pheasants were native to Ontario, but because of the change in farmland ( smaller fields, hedgerows, fencelines etc) to huge cashcrop operations it has pushed them out, and they only exist in tiny populations. Therefore to hunt them, they need to be stocked.
That being said I have never hunted pheasant, or on any other managed land.

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from jcarlin wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I hear you Mr. Osborne. I guess I wasn't really thinking about the nature of the beast, more the terrain. Also, I think it's largely the "trophy" aspect of it that grates on people. It's one thing if it' private land which is fenced and has a native population. Think of being allowed to do herd control on a small airfield. It's another thing if you're "hunting" an animal that is treated like a prized steer and grows accordingly. I'm not necessarily against the industry, though the disease vector aspect concerns me. Everyone has their reasons and their preferences. I can't say I've ever had the time and money to spend on such a thing, but I feel like you could outfit yourself for and book a decent safari or alaskan hunt for less. Especially if you have 11 days to kill doing it.

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from IowaGuy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I understand Sea World is now opening up some of their tanks for "fishing" if you have the cash you can "catch" the fish of a lifetime. ....

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

If you watch the huntin videos it gets even better, saying how hard they worked for there trophy. Oh yea and in one video dont worry about the beer bottles in one of the box blind the guys huntin out of.

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from workmandave wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Looks like 'roids make deer bigger also.

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from workmandave wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Can't stnd these fenced in areas focus of diseases like chronic waste, breading grounds for diseases that cold threated health of the wildlife just across teh fence. If some of these deer get out and interbred with native deer, could it affect teh gentic health of the native whitetail? The monster whitetails are rare because nature can't totaly support them, takes a bunch of energy to grow those racks and native's don't have feeding bunks and 24 hr vet care like these deer do

Should close down these places, threat to native wildlife

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I think you overstate the case sneaky. As for high fence, it's not really hunting if you know where the deer more or less will be owing to food plots, trail cams, etc. And in this particular case it's really more like livestock culling. The thing seems to be an ENGINEERED buck. Artificially selected, bred in captivity, fed the perfect diet, and protected from all forms of predation until ready to fetch a nice price. There's nothing wrong with that, if I could buy a cattle tag for the range where I hunt I'd do it for the meat. Heck, here in AZ there is a bison hunt where, if you're luck enough to get a tag, the G&F sends an officer with you to tell you which bison you're allowed to shoot. It's culling, not hunting, but I'd do it. (I'd do it with style though, and use one of those Uberti/Sharps 1874 with the creedmore sight and the 32" octagonal bbl).

And of course, trail cams and food plots ANYWHERE, high fence or not, aren't really hunting either, IMO. But they work for scoring meat, so it's not the sort of thing that bothers me enough to want to put a stop to it.

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Iwonder what that bucks batting score was??

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Nice piece of Livestock for sure. Hunting? no

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from Aaron wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

For anyone who remotely thinks this is an ethical way to hunt or manage Whitetails, go to their website and watch their promo video. The deer have been bread to become genetic freaks. Some of those bucks can't even hold their head up from the weight of their antlers. That's a disgusting way to treat an animal the rest of us respect!

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from Drew YoungeDyke wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Is this really all that different from a lot of the shows on Versus TV? As long as they don't let them out of the fence, they can call it whatever they want inside it. Everyone has their own line in the sand, whether it be at high fences, trail-cams, food plots, baiting, or anything else that takes the "wild" out of the wilderness. I wouldn't hunt the deer that hang out in the woodlots behind my in-laws house in the suburbs because they don't fear humans enough, but that's part of my own line in the sand. This buck is the logical culmination of a hunting industry that's focused on the rack rather than the hunt.

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from Nailer wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Did he actually shoot the deer or was it asleep? I see no entrance or exit hole. There is no skill involved in this type of hunting, it should be called killing. Don't get me wrong, killing animals is the name of the game but there is much more to HUNTING than just the killing.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

BUCKZILLA! So much for venison being a healthy low fat source of protein. What was the marble score on a steak from that steer, err buck?

I had always thought that wildlife were public domain. We as citizens have either equal share in the ownership, or equal responsibility in the care & protection of all wildlife. Land owners are perfectly entitled to limit access to their property to people. However, I do not understand how land owners claim the right of limiting the ingress and egress of deer for the purposes of hunting and profit. Do those land owners actually hold title to the cervids on their property? Does the state DNR have no jurisdiction to what goes on beyond the high fence? I say it's about time we tear down those fences and free the deer.

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from Wolftrax wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Like killing a market hog and posing with your trophy. Not for me. I am a hunter with my ethics intact. 11 days or not, I'd rather hunt a wary Maine buck all season and go home empty handed. Nice deer? Well at what point is enough enough? It's like breast implants, pretty soon you cross the line from nice to freaky!

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from bhyogy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Honey, I'm going to the store to get us a real nice buck, I'll be home in time for supper !

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from OlFatDick wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Hmmmm............
Yes, Nice Buck. At 5'10", 225 lbs and a little sparse of hair, maybe I'm also a contender for Mr. Universe?

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from TX Hunter wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

That's why they call it "hunting season" and NOT "killing season". Anyone ever hunt on a federal refuge? That's primitive hunting.

Apparently, there are some who are willing and able to pay for the "killing season" license. Of course, the "kill fees" are high. It's just that it's not hunting. Would it be called "put and take"? They take the "hunt" out of hunting.

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from dirt72801 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

To each his or her own. I personally wouldn't want to hunt in a high fence place, but they all still eat the same don't they? If you are just a horn hunter, then you are well on your way down the same path that leads to high fenced hunting. That is an absolutely amazing animal and I don't hold anything against the guy who killed him. There are alot of people who go on paid hunts each deer season who did not do the work, they paid for someone else to do the scouting. This is just taking that to a higher level, so be happy for the guy and he can have an star by his name for it being high fenced just like the professional sports stars that use steroids. Life is to short to be that worried about what everybody else does. Take a deep breath, look around, and enjoy life, as my kid would say "hate the game and not the player". This is still AMERICA home of the free. We pay taxes to have the right to do anything we want as long as it is not illegal.

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from dsmhunter wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

It is really too bad that this is what our sport has come down to...shortcuts. Like everything else, money trumps all. I am sorry but this IS NOT hunting, it is SHOOTING. It is guaranteed that there are deer there, so now all you have to do is make sure you can shoot. Why not shoot them over a bait pile too...then that way you're sure to bag one. I mean you paid thousands upon thousands of $$'s for the canned hunt, why not take all the guess work out of it.

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from kennasdad wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

That's more money than I can spend to shoot a deer. More fun trying to outsmart even the Pa does than the monsters in a cage

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from tracy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

A whitetail is a animal breed and born in the wild. These animals should be called barn bucks

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from jhenn4 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I hope this is not going to go into some record book. I hope this guy doesnt think he is a real hunter. Come on man, do it the right way. Granted it is a nice deer to see but not shoot. They should of brought it to the circus.

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from Ridgerunner821 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Wait until you all see the pics of the goldfish I just caught out of my fish tank! It's huge!

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from scottprice wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

"hunting" in a high fence is not hunting...i would not congratulate him in the least bit

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from Frank Nicholas wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

This is another example of funds over fundamentals. If you don't have time to track, ambush, gut, haul and process your meat; just pay someone else to do it. So typical of the "right now" mentality. What's next- virtual hunting with laser guided missles?

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from silsbyj wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Website said a total of 800 acres. Nice buck but spend your money on a nice gun or bow and get your ass out into the real hunting ground.

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from VAHunter540 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Thats an awesome buck regardless of the fences he was behind and steroids he must have been on. As to a free hunt? I would have to say possibly, but can I just take pictures instead of shooting?

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from Mark J wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

And just think the largest buck ever killed was a full 100 pounds heavier than that! Would have loved to see pictures of that one.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Can money really buy happiness? I'm with Del and Buckhunter, not my cup of tea. Feed them and worm them they shall grow inside that fence...

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from Damon619 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

it's cool to see how big deer can grow under ideal conditions but you will never catch me high fence "hunting" as they call it. I feel it's like hunting in a zoo.

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from cas0905 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

i do disagree with fenced hunting but that is one hell of a rack id let him hangout on the wall over my bed

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from Joel Panian wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Big deer, but I wouldn't hunt there. I don't see how I could have as much fun as I would if I was out on public land where the deer have the advantage over me.

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from phale wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

How would you feel good about yourself if you went out and shot a deer in a highfence area, its like gong to the zoo and shooting a lion or a zebra, no skill involved. I know i would not feel any pride in shooting a highfence deer idk if it is a world record buck, id rather kill a doe in a non fence free roam area.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

if you look at the pictures the it just doesn't look like a hunt the deer look used. almost separate entirely from the racks they sport on there heads.maybe its the fact that the deer are young and have freakishly large headgear.

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from jcarlin wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Where is the line for everyon on fenced hunting? Hunting for deer in a high fence operation doesn't appeal to me, but I'll admit there's probably a size of enclosure where the fences are academic. I don't have a lot of areas within an hour of me where there's more than 5,000 acres open to hunting in a stretch. If it'll take you a good part of a day to walk around, is it really a pen?
On the other side of things, going to a pheasant operation is pretty openly accepted by the hunting community, and a pig hunt on a game farm kind of appeals to me since there's not really any wild pig opportunities nearby. Anyone?

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from workmandave wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

A fool and his money are easily parted.

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from Jacob A. Craig wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I agree with everyone who disagrees with this new phase in deer farming it ridiculous a trained monkey could go out and shoot a buck on a fenced in property like that. The guy probably hasn't ever taken a deer before, paid big money and just went out and shot one, to bad it had to be a really nice deer even though it was on a farm.

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from Dann wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I think there's a difference between "canned" hunts and "high fence". To me, canned hunts are guaranteed, i.e. the guide knows such-and-such animal will be the same spot at 2 pm.

High fence isn't necessarily the same. I hunted a high fence place in Texas that was 6000 acres, thats 9 sq/miles and I'd hardly call that a pen. Where do you draw the line?

These operations have a place, they're for the new guys just learning, or the old guys that can't physically take a brutal hunt anymore.

As I get older and have the choice giving up hunting or going high fence, I'm afraid I'd probably go high fence, until I couldn't do that anymore.

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from Judd McCullum wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I'm on the fence (no pun) about those huge places in Texas. They have wildlife managers and have a pretty good idea of what's on the property with guidelines to protect breeding stock. When you think about it 800 acres is not a lot of ground for this many deer to come from. When you think about the bucks that they have on hand being groomed for the "Gold Hunt" the number of deer per acre has to relate to a livestock operation in such a way that many folks who would consider themselves woodsmen would immediately shy away from it. I'd like to hear from the guys who run this place and see what they have to say about all our comments and criticisms, and since I haven't said it yet these are some pretty incredible deer.

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from ricefarm wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I don't care how old it is, you don't get that much fat on an animal without a lot of high octane feed. I seriously doubt you could do it with corn alone. This has the smell of hunting a steer out in someone's pasture.

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from buddhaman wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

What was that buck eating? He is so fat that he is a discrace to his breed. No thanks I'd rather work hard for a 120 than that slob. Too bad though you know what they say about fat people. I bet he was a funny buck though.

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from randog wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

wonder if we could get McDonalds to add this to their menu with the rest of the slaughter house products. i would rather hunt my own farm (and own it for about the same price per year). according to most fenced hunting companies that's around a 40-50k hunt. what some people will pay is amazingly STUPID!!!!!!

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from Dakota.Woman wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

If I shot a buck that size, I expect I'd kiss it too. I'm no fan of fenced-in "hunting", but I'd definitely kiss this buck. I take it he was too hefty to bound lightly over any fence - say, 3 feet tall? On t'other hand, What A Rack! and then there's all that taLOH (meat) to cook - yumyum on a long term basis!

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from chad fessenden wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I love the fact that there is someone who raises these huge deer and offers this kind of hunt (love to see them). Have I ever gone on one? No! Will I ever spend that kind of money for a hunt? No! Would I go if given the opportunity? Heck yeah, at least once. Of course I prefer to hunt "wild" animals, but I don't believe anyone (given that they love to hunt) who says they wouldn't take a hunt like this if the oportunity was given.

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from tennesseeman wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

wow this is a big deer but come on man i agree with the guys that said i rateher take a doe on public land i hunt on public land every year not around food plots just the elements so i couldnt imagine paying thousands of dollars to jsut get in the record books on a farm fed deer i would spend my money on going back to my home state(montana) and taking a muley or a monster elk on private land its the thrill of the hunt and it does not thrill me to sit in a heated blind in my casul clothes to shoot like i said a farm fed deer personally i think its pretty pathetic

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from bowhrad wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Some of these bucks look like they've been feeding at Three Mile Island, not at Wilderness Whitetails. Anti-hunters love videos like this. My hats off to Wilderness Whitetails for making ALL hunters take ten steps backward.

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from masterofmeander wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Reading this reminds me to go feed the bass in my bath tub. "Yo! Billy! Let go of the twins--oh, bass! Okay, let go of the twin..."

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from tracy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Its a sad world when we start raising deer like we do cattle. Its all about the dollar!!

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

From the number of comments it is easy to see how a deer "hunter" feels. The animal sure is big and that is about the only thing positive I can say about the deer. If you look at the deer it doesn't look "normal" . It looks like what it is- a farm raised animal fed to make it fat. I would not even take a free hunt at that place if I never shoot another whitetail buck. I will have my does for my deer meat and if a "good" buck comes my way then I will be happy. I arrested a guy one time for going to Penn. to a game farm and buying and killing a whitetail buck and brought it back to WV to win a $125 prize at a sporting shop's big buck contest. I suppose the game farm people will always have people to do business with, but a buck like that means absolutly nothing to me.

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from MD Huntress wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

These places do just like fish hatcheries. When they are done milking these deer for semen or urine they turn them out to pasture. A hand full of sweet feed would have got this guy close enough to slit the deer's throat. Wow there's a story! Think I'll stick to free range hunting thank you.

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from SLOWHUNT wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

To begin with let me stress that I am against caned hunts where a paid guide sits in a condo stand with you and points out which deer they have picked out for you to shoot, no, I do not beleive this is real hunting. Now that I am in my 60's and have had 3 back surgeries, 2 heart attacks and am crippled with arthritis and unable to hunt the way I way brought up to do by my Dad I am not so sure that I wouldn't welcome a deer shooting experience since it has been a few years since I have been able to hunt. If I were still able to walk the woods as I once did I would be tickled to death, since I can't any type "hunt" would beat sitting at home.

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from Whyhuntingguide wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

What I dont understand about High Fence hunters is. That when they do take a monster animal they always lie about it and say It was taken other wise. If you are not proud of how you hunt why go there!! I agree with others that have commented it does nothing for me to hunt a animal that has no chance of getting away from me to save its life!! This is not hunting to me hunting is your knowledge of the outdoors VS the animals you hunt.
Not hunting in a large fenced in pen (no matter the size of the pen) just so you can say you harvested a monster animal.
I am not against High Fence hunting because I understand thats all some people know or have time for.
But if you want a real challenge hunt outside the box and experiance the thrill of nature at its best!
I am a free range professional hunting guide and small outfitter myself and I hunt with several different hunters in several different states every year and most would agree with me on this topic.
If you hunt in the box dont compare it to the outside of the box. Dont try to enter it in our record books just to see your name there either the people in those books work hard every year to harvest true trophies of a lifetime to get in there. They are real hunters with real hunting ethics.

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from Whyhuntingguide wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Slowhunt if you are looking to go hunting again please feel free to contact me at bryanaclines@msn.com I can get you hooked up with a hunt that you will enjoy. I enjoy hunting with kids, women and disabled hunters I do it every year and have not had a bad hunt yet. I even got a antelope for a gentleman that was legally blind due to diabetes and pancrease failure. So I am up for any challenge just hate to see anyone that wants to hunt not have the chance to get out there and hunt!

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from TR wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

(Conversation with my kids) "Yes kids, I know we always talk about conservation, what it means to be a sportsman, and the heritage of great men like Roosevelt, Muir, and Leopold, but daddy wants to kill something and other people think it's alright so I'm setting my values aside and heading out to kill a farm animal. Please do as I say not as I do. (Kids response)"I think I'll take up soccer and join the humane society."

Moral: Kids can spot a phony a mile away. We won't get their attention or respect if we don't walk the walk in our sporting lives. And then there goes our hope for the next generation of American Sportsmen.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

(Bump)BUCKZILLA! So much for venison being a healthy low fat source of protein. What was the marble score on a steak from that steer, err buck?

I had always thought that wildlife were public domain. We as citizens have either equal share in the ownership, or equal responsibility in the care & protection of all wildlife. Land owners are perfectly entitled to limit access to their property to people. However, I do not understand how land owners claim the right of limiting the ingress and egress of deer for the purposes of hunting and profit. Do those land owners actually hold title to the cervids on their property? Does the state DNR have no jurisdiction to what goes on beyond the high fence? I say it's about time we tear down those fences and free the deer.

(I've bumped this in hopes that someone will speak to these questions.)

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from rudyglove27 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

No thanks..The people that hunt on these deer farms are consider a shooter not a "hunter" to me. It involves no skilled on the person who wants to get a deer simply because they have fat pockets and able to get it from high fence farm owner..This deer probably had a heart attack from the gun going off..If prices listed are based on gross score, then this called "hunter" paid well beyond $12,000.00 and probably closer to $25,000.00 to be the proud killer of this pen raised deer!!!

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from Chuck Sheaffer wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Well the trouble with shooting FARM Raised Deer is they throw all the Record Book bucks off.
what I mean is there should be one Record Book for "Farm Raised Bucks" like this one and others you see them shoot on TV and then the Regular Record Book Bucks for the rest of us hunters who hunt totally public property.
There should be an * or a seperate category is all I'm saying. It's a nice Buck but looks more like a "COW " to me! I'd never see that in Pa in the wild:-)

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from Judd McCullum wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

John Muir had many great quotes, but he coined one in his last years fighting for Hetch Hetchy's preservation.

"Nothing dollarable is safe."

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from rponack wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

High fence? Wouldn't have to be too high I think for this hog, probably couldn't jump a 5 foot fence. Hunting to me is killing a wild animal not a caged in, spoon fed, domesticated animal which this obviously is. This is NOT hunting. I feel bad for the deer. Cut down the fence and let the deer be what nature intended...wild.

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from Hunting2010 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Weather you are for high-fenced hunting or against it; that is your choice. These bucks are not allowed to be entered into contests or record books (except under the correct category of high-fenced). I am proud to be a deer farmer and I also own a high-fenced hunting ranch. There are codes and ethics that we must abide as well as rules and regulations. The bottom line is that all hunters need to band together or all of our hunting methods will be "picked off" one by one. I love to hunt and could not imagine not being able to hunt by the method that I prefer. You have archery folks that think that rifles should be illegal, primitive archery groups that think compound or crossbows should be illegal, gun hunters that don't like archery, gun hunters that don't like muzzleloaders, groups that hunt deer with dogs, folks that think you should not be able to hunt during rut, hunting over feeders or food plots. These arguments are all dividing the hunters and their methods for hunting; which is exactly what the anti's want.. If you don't like high-fenced hunting; then don't go, but don't judge the folks that do. Besides, it is up to the lord to judge us; not each other. I don't have the room here to debate the issue, but I feel you should be able to do anything that is legal on your own land. I still believe in property rights. What you do in your home or property, is your right as long as it is legal. Watch Keith Warren and take the High Road, it can be better explained there and me trying to do it here.

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from seadog wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

That's a nice buck in the "farming" category.

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from lkhollje wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Wow, how we are quick to judge how someone does something different than us. This man is his opinion, had a great accomplishment in his life. And we choose to shoot it down. That's the problem with this world. Remember when your mother use to tell you, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. To the gentleman that shot the deer. Great job, I wish it was the one I shot this year. Congradulations.

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from Firehunter wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Do you call this Hunting?....NOT!!

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from waterdrinker9 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

HAHAHA!!! That thing is huge.

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from klvthatsme wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Are you sure it didn't die of a heart attack? That deer is obese.

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from Steward wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

To lkollje: Quick to judge? Maybe. But standards are a good thing.

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from Steward wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I understand the attraction: "give me more bone!" But after looking at the website, a lot of thoe racks are just a mess. I understand their commitment to their breeding program, but I prefer that those genese stay behind the high fence.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

11 days of "hard" hunting ... doesn't sound like a canned hunt or shooting pigs in a barrel. I've never hunted a fenced area so don't know what it is like and won't judge. He is one happy guy, for sure. That deer ... is something else. Those that haven't watched the promo video might want to watch it.

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from mikedelisle09@y... wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Not hard to tell that its a fenced hunt. He is prolly just some amiture hunter with some money to spend on a hunt like that.
Not to mention he didnt grow that rack on his own they were feeding him plenty of stuff to boost the growth of that rack and body.
You will never find me hunting in a fenced in area, its like shooting fish in a barrel with a high powered rifle.Its cheating and always will be!

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I wonder if any of their deer on that place get 'roid rage????
And for sure there needs to be an asterisk next to any entry in any book on this one.....

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from James Boldig wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Sorry, I'll pass I'll stick with the woods and nearly no deer

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from Clift Dweller wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Venison don’t you mean veal with horns, any wild animal taken inside a fence or under a drum of bait is nothing more than glorified hunting in a “Zoo”. Men with muscles built on steroids and women constructed of silicone don’t don’t impress me much, nor do wild animals that are treated like livestock. It’s just another “Avatar”

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from Badduck wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Pathetic. About all I can say about it. The animal is a beast. But as a hunter I would be too ashamed to tell any of my buddies that I shot a deer in this situation!

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from salmonquest wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Did he actually hit it or did it just drop dead from a heart attack when the gun went off. Geez I thought venison was supposed to be lean??

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from redneckbeer wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

LOL,I've a female dashound and she's the same color, overweight and yes she sleeps in the house and eats out of a bowl, but I'll be damn if I'd shoot her, that hog looks more like a pet than a game animal, and what did it weigh when the fat was cleared away???

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from jusdane wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

38 - 200+ class bucks shot in one season on a little more than ONE square mile. How many "deer of a lifetime" (if wild) did this guy pass up on waiting for this one? Please, not even close to hunting . . . no thanks.

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from Drew McClure wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Yes i am going to need to borrow some heavy gauge wire cutters, seems like big money cats are hogging the top breeding specimens, that I feel would be happier roaming the other side of the fence, giving heart attacks to hunters, and sore back ends to does.If I could come in and dart one of these beast, I think it would be a nice addition to the Ozark Mountain herd, where 200lbs and 125inches is a helluva trophy.We do have giant red squirrels to trade!

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from trtorok wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Are you sure he shot this deer, or did he just fall over dead from a heart attack. I don't see any entrance hole or exit hole? Either way, I always taught my son to obey all the game laws and to respect the deer that he shot. I don't even like the hunts that I see on these hunting movies where the hunter is in a blind way up in the air and he shoots without the deer having a chance of detecting the shooter. How can anyone call this practice fair chase? So, I don,t think I can say that this is a fair chase practice either. No wonder the animal activists are on our back and we are having trouble keeping our young people interested in our sport. Call me old fashion!!!!

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from Jag2u612 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Yea I concur with those who suggest "It is hunting in a barnyard!" But then someone needs to tell that hunting channel "Versus" to stop showing Jeff Foxworth and his co-host cohort as they shoot giant deer in that barnyard! The guy who actually hosts that "Bucks of Tecomonte" or whatever they call it showed his daughter taking a big buck and what a great Father/Daughter experience it was so special that later that afternoon she nailed another even bigger buck! What? Where? What state except Texas allows you to take two bucks in the same season?????? Barnyard hunt or not don't you still have to follow State and DNR rules?

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from tom6782 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

i really feel sorry for these deer, they will never live a normal life, what these people are doing is just like cloning people, look at some of the pics of deer people have shot, they do not look right. i prefer to do things the old fashioned way. but as long as there are people with alot of money, just wanting the experience of hearing their gun go off, there will be places like this. their website makes me sick. zoo animals is all they are, they should just open up a petting zoo for the kids instead of shooting them

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Hunting2010 - welcome to the F&S website community. I see you came on to defend your industry which has been taking quite a beating on these pages. Green With Envy - I see you also are a newbie to these pages, but your motivation apparently is to insult the intelligence of all the readers on this site.

But, back to the topic; this is not a religious question that needs to wait until judgment day for an answer, but a question of ethics, you are right, choices and property rights within our hunting community, therefore a political question. Religious, not political. If we were better at discussing, educating about, and setting standards for hunting ethics then the “antis” would have less ammo to use against us. We should not use the “anti defense” for avoiding healthy discussion and debate within our own ranks.

Certainly Hunting2010 you will agree that simply because something is legal does not make it right. Abusing a child has always been wrong, but it wasn’t until the early 1970s that all states had somewhat effective child protection laws in place. I think some good points have been raised on this thread about the ethics of high-fenced hunting. I expect that most of what goes on beyond the high fence is legal, I am just not convinced that it is right.

Hunting2010, I am glad that you have entered this discussion so that perhaps you might answer my questions and speak to the points that others have made. My questions are: 1) Land owners are perfectly entitled to limit access to their property in regards to people. However, I do not understand how land owners claim the right of limiting the ingress and egress of deer for the purposes of hunting and profit. So, how do land owners justify the fencing-in of wildlife? 2) Do land owners actually hold title to the cervids on their property? 3) Do state DNR agencies have jurisdiction to what goes on beyond the high fence? I look forward to your answers and to reading more of your posts.

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from bigbasser wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

This is not real hunting, just getting something for the $$$ spent. Read the late Howard Hill's book " Hunting The Hard Way". It was published long before trail cams, high fences and game farm became the norm. The skill is gone.

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from LW wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

HUNTING2010---I was on my way to college in 2006 and was in a car wreck paralizing me from my chest down, since then I haven't been able to go "hunting" like I used to because wheelchairs and outdoors don't mix to well, I can't go still hunting and sneak up and ambush deer like I used too. I would have no problem hunting in a fence, because people don't realize what they have until it's gone, such as your lower body. You had mentioned that you had donated some hunts to individuals and I was wondering if there was any certain criteria for you to donate a hunt. I would love to shoot a big buck, but don't have the money because it is VERY expensive. Where I live we just don't have any and everyone shoots the first thing they see.

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from bigmike7272 wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Anyone up for some fishin' at the hatchery with me?

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from BigBore wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

I watched the video of this deer being slaughtered. It explains a lot. I guess I am glad that Wilderness Whitetails Game Farm and Preserve puts on hunts for the mentally challenged. The fella that killed this particular head of livestock didn't know that this it was raised in a pen and carried an ID tag in it's ear. He just wanted to be like his heroes on the Outdoor Channel. Good for him.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

If you're controlling the genetics, it's a domesticated animal. It's livestock. Nothing more. People may think they're hunting on your Game Farm, and if they want to believe it and you can sell them on the idea, that's their choice and your Business Model. But the animal in that picture is no more a "natural" beast than was Dolly The Cloned Sheep, or your average Dairy Conglomerate Holstein.

I'm glad you had a chance to defend your business model here, and I won't say you shouldn't be allowed to do what you do, but that's not "hunting" and "wilderness" has nothing to do with it.

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from workmandave wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Bet this "sportsman" did not even get a drop of blood on his hands dressing this side of beef!

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from tuckerj5047 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Call it what it is, but I wouldn't mind stalking one in that situation, but definitely not still hunt one.

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from blackjac wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Take the time to view their promo video...Pretty clear to me what your getting into from a $$$$ point of view to pull the trigger. Been to one of these "hunts" as an observer.... the guide will tell you exactly what it will cost you prior to your shot. I'd guess this animal cost well over 25K.

"There's an ASS for every seat in this world"!!!

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from Gunslinger wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I've hunted canned hunts, and it's no fun. THe owner is only let you kill what he wants taken out of his hered. No doubt the so-called hunter in this case hand many $$$$ to invest. Me,I want a wild hunt, we here know there are many deer around, but where? thats why we hunt them. SA for 2 2 mile radius, not so, I killed a deer ayear, that 3 days before was shot at 6 miles away, but the rut was on.He aparently had a great hid-away, as weighed 289 lbs and l0 points, not bad for wild hunting. Our problem now, is, lamdownes been screwewd by many hunters and they will not allow us on their land. I see why, we got 2 ponds , allowed a gy and his Son to fish, well he apparently brought the entire neighbot, as it looked like the city dump around tthe pond and the water, plus the cut the wires to get a boat in the water. So If you are allowed to hunt another mans land, leave it as you found it, word spreads in hunting country. My next dor Neighbor wants to hnt my land, told him if I saw or heard of him on my Land the funeral home would wipe his A__, that is if my Dog don;t chew up his Ass first. Time is fast approaching when we only gonna have land that we pay to hunt or fenced hunts. Try hunting the Rockies, you will pay dearly for access to BLM land and then sometimes, they will now allow you to cross it. MAny of the outfitters will post BLM land as their huntig grond, check it out, not always true as I found out. Good hunting, hunt safe and shoot straight.

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from buckeyeben wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

amazing buck

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from BrookieBuster101 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

that is one helluva deer fence or not. Ya pay for quality, and thatg right there is quality.

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from Global VR wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

High fence hunting is usually cheaper when you take into account all of the time you take off of work to chase huge whitetails every season across the states of Ohio, Missouri and Kansas like I do. Game preserve hunting is just as exciting and challenging.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Global, perhaps you could get a new hobby, or learn to hunt, and not be so greedy.

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from Green With Envy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I think it's just hilarious to read all the holier-than-thou garbage that many of you apparent idiots are posting here about this high-fence hunting harvest. Have all of you jealous, Dudley Do-Rights considered the gear you're using to hunt whitetails these days? Many of you posting negative comments are regularly using rangefinders, carbon-activated clothing, ballistic reticled scopes, in-line breechloading "muzzleloaders", scoped crossbows, C'mere Deer, and a host of other hunting gadgets that give you all manner of unfair advantage over the animals you hunt. I, too, hunt and I use virtually all of the gear I've just listed and... I consider the gentlemen that harvested this deer to be just as ethical as myself (or any of you bitchin' yahoos for that matter). The distance between the hunting tactics of most of you belly-achers and this man's hunting accomplishment is very slight; it's only a matter of degrees. Furthermore, from what I've read here, for the most of you... if you had an original thought go through your head, it would be the shortest trip in North America. Get a life and get over it!

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Political not religious. (Clarification of above)

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from muskiemaster wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

living in central WI I can honestly say I've never heard of this place and I'm glad i haven't it's a shame they need to shoot that thing in a pen. As for the free hunt why not it's like walking into a slaughter house and choosing the largest cow you want to slaughter I wouldn't need to shoot another deer for food purposes.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Hunting2010 thank you for your informative and thoughtful response. You have provided much information, new to me, that helps me have a more open appreciation for high fence hunting. I did not mean to suggest that you were insulting the readership. My remark was directed to the other writer.

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from Hunting2010 wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

LW, sorry to hear about your misfortune. I am a US military veteran and we have had several veterans that were injured and thought that they would not be able to hunt again have great hunts with us. I am not sure what area of the US you are located, but I am certain that I could get you in contact with someone near you. Let me know which state that you would like to hunt in and I will try to get you in touch with someone nearby for you.

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from Carney wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Every forest has an edge. The edge of the forest is like a fence for the deer that live there.

I don't recall the last time (if ever) that I heard of anyone hunting one particular deer for 11 days straight like this hunter did.

Do you get my drift?

Well, let me spell it out then. It doesn't take 11 days to shoot fish in a barrel. And it doesn't take 11 days to walk across the road to shoot the neighbor's cow. No matter that this was an "ultra managed" buck, the hunter paid 11 days' worth of dues to finally take it. So what if he had $5000 or more to spend on the hunt? Good for him! His enthusiasm over taking this buck is well warranted!

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from LW wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Hunting2010 - I live in Oklahoma, but to just have a opportunity like that it wouldn't matter what part of the US it was in....I would drive there, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Viewing some of these hunting videos has reinforced my antipathy for high fence hunting. The bow hunters sort of work for their bucks, or their choice of bucks. It does seem a little more sporting than sitting in the country club blinds, sipping beer, and making bad shots. Could just as well open a window and shoot a deer in your yard, except the deer in my yard lood like deer, not monstrosities.

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from Carney wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

KBI1,

Thanks for your post. I appreciate your gentlemanly attitude and the your "just check the facts" candor in writing.

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from Dakotah Dan wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

"Photo is from Wilderness Whitetails in Wisconsin, outfitter who takes hunters shopping for their pen-raised, fenced-in, genetically manipulated enhanced, pet deer." This apt discription of the photo I came accross at gon.com .

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from t-bilt wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Yeah, it's huge but looks almost freakish. Fence or no fence 100 acres or several 1000 acres. Deer just don't get that big without some sort of unnatural feed in the mix. I hunt and kill deer to provide clean protein for my family. I'd have to think this beast would pass growth hormones through the food chain and to me and my family. No thanks, we eat enough Chicken to take care of that!
I kill does 99% of the time... they eat better than bone to me. The bucks I have killed are all outside the ears with a spread no less than 16". My personal best is a 160" double drop tine.
I'm a guy of modest means. I can't see dropping thousands of $$$ to shoot a deer, elk, or any big game. Put me in the open woods with my single shot 7mm-08 and I'll fill the freezer with naturally nutritious meat for my family for the price of shells and some hand warmers. ;-)

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from PSEbowhunter wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

even if i shot that deer i would not be happy knowing that it was not a wild animal...fences take the sport out of hunting sorry but that is how i feel

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from struttingtom43 wrote 4 years 6 weeks ago

Who needs calls when you can whistle and they will come running right up to you...thats not even true hunting. Just curious what do you feed the deer on your farm.

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from Nicole Vaartjes wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

Any animal shot on a preserve or deer farm where they are penned in shouldnt even be legal to put in the record books. Make their their own seperate record for that BS. It may have the same wild instincts but to me it's cheating. I mean all of us real hunters are out scouting for the year until deer season starts not knowing whats going to come about in the real world of whitetails. Im just stating my opinion but I have one question. If this was a record buck and its stated that it was only estimated to wiegh 420lbs, why wasnt it actually wieghed and measured?

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from Sneaky wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

It's not for everyone, but it's hardly a crime. I think some hunters would rather associate with serial killers than high-fence hunters. I find that odd and disappointing.

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from petersbw85 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Although I agree with most of the comments on high fences being, well "stupid." I would think that there would be no way that I would hunt at a zoo like this, unless there was even the slightest chance to shoot a 400 pound monster. I know you all say you'd never do something like this but come on, this this is gigantic, you know you would hunt it if there were no charge.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

whoops, I meant "example"

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from Hunting2010 wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Dan, I did not join this discussion group to insult anyones intelligence. I was hoping that I could shine some light on the discussion. There is a ton of information that needs to be given to the hunting and non-hunting community on high-fenced hunting. For example, there is a huge difference between high-fenced and canned hunting. Canned hunting is not condoned by any group that I know of. The high-fenced hunting code of ethics states that the prey MUST have ample cover and room to elude/escape the hunter. Which is why the hunt mentioned took 11 days. Sometimes these hunts have taken several months. I would like to take time to answer the questions that you had posted. Every state is different on the rules/regulations that govern a high-fenced operation and for good reason. Lets agree that 100 acres of flat, treeless prairie is not the same as 100 acres of thick swamp for example. In most states, the high-fenced area is cleared of native deer after the fence is erected (normally done by deer drives and inspected via helicopter & trail cams by DNR). Therefore deer are stocked, similar to your favorite trout stream or lake. These deer did not come from the "wild" in most states. Some state DNR's sell the "wild" deer to the hunting ranches; each state is different. Some state DNR's have jurisdiction of seasons and bag limits inside the high-fenced area and some states it is left up to the land owner to set their own seasons and bag limits. There is a lot to having a quality high-fenced hunting ranch with a lot of rules and regulations which govern them. Weather you agree or disagree this is how I see it. The DNR is tasked with setting seasons and bag limits based on herd size, herd health, amount of land, etc and they are paid to do so; via taxes, license sales, tax on sporting goods, etc.. Everyone pays someone else to hunt.. You can also spend a lot of money to have an outfitter guide you on a elk hunt in Idaho on public land (in excess of $10K). That is a wild animal belonging to the public, you are paying for a service. That service is someone that has done most of the work and scouting for the client. To me this is no different. You are paying more for the service than the animal. Typically the state makes money from hunting on these ranches as well (hunting license is usually required and the hunt is taxed in some states). I hope this answered some of your questions. On another note: I feel that a high-fenced hunting ranch is a very safe place to hunt, great place for beginners to get started, for folks that can not get around that well (we have several clients in wheelchairs), folks that can not get time off from work, folks that don't have access to hunting land, and folks that want a better than average chance at taking a buck that scores over 200 inches. Many of your readers may not fit into any of these categories, but certainly there are many folks that do. I can not tell you how many times that I have a parent call and ask me to take their child for the day or weekend and teach them how to use a gun/bow and take them on a hunt. These are folks that themselves do not know how to hunt or lost their husband or whatever has happened to them to put them in this situation. They are usually crying because their child wants to hunt and they have no idea how to get them started or where to take them. We are talking basic fundamentals and a completely safe place to hunt. A lot of hunters don't take the time to bring new people into the sport or offer their land for new hunters. I donate these hunts many times each year at no cost to the family. It is easy to sit back and say that this or that type of hunting should not be allowed. Instead of doing/saying negative things about the hunting sport; lets all try to do something positive for the hunting sport.

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from KBI1 wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

I stumbled upon this forum and decided to set the record straight in regards to this deer. I happen to be one of the owners and know a little about it.

The deer was not officially weighed but estimated to be approximately 420 pounds.

The photo was not photoshopped as some have suggested.

The deer has never been on steroids as some suggested. He was not born in breed pen, nor did he have an id tag as was posted recently. The deer never ate out of anyones hand. In fact the deer was born naturally in the hunting preserve. The deer is believed to be 4 years old.

The hunter did hunt 11 days for this buck. There were also a number of other hunters who hunted unsuccessfully for this buck. Some people in above posts made mention to the deer like he spent his entire life around people as a pet until he was shot. Actually the exact opposite is true. This deer had little to no contact with people his entire life. He was seen a handful of times during his 4 years but that is about it. If the deer ever sensed that a person was around he disappeared. I am guessing he had less than 5 minutes of contact with humans in his life (This does not count the few times he was seen from a stand when he had no idea someone was there).

The truth is this buck is not a whole lot different than all of the other bucks in the preserve. These deer spend the majority if not all of their lives in the preserve. They are very sensitive to hunting pressure. They will wind you as fast as any wild deer. The hardest animal to kill is a well fed mature buck that is heavily pressured. Many of the mature bucks in the preserve only move at night. Some have gone entire hunting seasons without being seen.

Yes there were 38 200" bucks shot at Wilderness Whitetails in 2009. The reason is because the genetics are incredible and the deer are allowed to mature. Unfortunately this is not the case with free range deer. It should also be noted that numerous hunters every year have gone home unsuccessful. Many hunters had to extend their hunts extra days before they harvested a deer. When hunting any preserve you are limited to harvesting mature bucks. As mentioned before these are not nearly as easy to get as most think. There are bucks in the preserves that are 8 or 9 years old that have eluded hunters for years. Some of them are giants.

Whether you believe in high fenced hunting or not it should be pointed out that Wilderness Whitetails is only successful because of the hunting experience that is offered. The people who hunt there want an incredible hunting experience and they get it. These people are not just about killing. Nearly all of the Wilderness Whitetails hunters hunt free range whitetails as well. It should also be noted that never has a Wilderness Whitetails buck been entered in a record book for free range deer.

It should also be noted that the owners of Wilderness Whitetails have also donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to organizations like SCI who do a ton for the conservation of wildlife and protect your rights as hunters. Wilderness Whitetails also does hunts for handicapped and dying kids as well as wounded veterans. You don't know about this because they are not going around doing this stuff for recognition.

It would be great I could give everyone a free hunt. I know for a fact that there are thousands that would take me up on the offer. This makes me believe the dislike for preserves is mostly about money. I am pretty sure that most of the people who commented above have never really been to a high fenced preserve and I guarantee if you were to do a hunt any reputable high fenced operation your opinion would change. Since money has been mentioned many times in above posts I will say this. You really need to realize that by the time you buy a large chunk of land and turn it into a preserve you may have several million invested. It may seem as though the hunter is spending alot of money but you need to factor in what it takes to provide that hunt opportunity and you will realize that it is pretty hard to get rich doing it.

Sorry this was long but I could not believe how misinformed some were so I felt I would take the opportunity to set the record straight.

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from Hunting2010 wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

LW, I may be able to work out something with a good friend of mine in OK. I am not sure how (or if I can) send and email to you from this site. I don't really want to post his info on here.

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from Doorman wrote 3 years 25 weeks ago

That one big buck. I would take him. If people don't like it because it was taken behind a high fence. Maybe they should not comment at all. As hunters we should all stick together, there is already to many people trying to take it away from us. Maybe next time just great deer, he hunt for that buck for 11 days. H.F hunting is not just walking in and shooting a deer.

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from cayleb hapest wrote 3 years 11 weeks ago

this is not hunting. If this guy wants to say he hunts, then he needs to hunt open land with a long bow. other than that he should said he baited and trapped it caue the buck cant leave the area. It took me 4 yrs. to shoot a doe and a year later i shot a 15 piont for my first buck. It was shot on farm land without fence.

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from Mike Taulbee wrote 2 years 11 weeks ago

i hear a lot of guys kicking the high fence hunting, i throw tags away lots of yrs simply because i don't see one big enough to put it on,but i do see a lot of these so called real hunters driving around with lil deer that if you're gonna compare fence hunting to farming, then i'd compar thier kill to hunting babies at a local delivery room,and no higher up than 3rd grade,i'm talking about spikes,2-4-6-and lil small 8 points if given the chance could be wall hangers, if i could afford to go there i'd love to come up and get to shoot a monster buck like that.
it's getting so very few people are really hunting anymore anyways, trail cams that'll send pics,times and dates right to your house whats the difference , having a fence up or having spy cam showing every time the deer comes to your feeder that has your big double bull blind sitting in 20 yards of it,

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from Pam Denton wrote 1 year 19 weeks ago

Well I think a deer that is shot in high fenced area is just wrong that is not a true hunt nor a true hunter.Thats just my opion!!!!!!!!!!!!

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from Pam Denton wrote 1 year 19 weeks ago

Well I think a deer that is shot in high fenced area is just wrong that is not a true hunt nor a true hunter.Thats just my opion!!!!!!!!!!!!

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from notarichman wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Last October I hunted for about a week for mule deer with my right arm in a cast (i'm right handed). Had to shoot my partner's lever action .44 mag because i couldn't use my own rifle. After the week ended, we had only seen 15 deer between us, but I got a 4 x 4 shooting left handed. national forest land is the only place we can afford to hunt.
That hunt didn't mean that I'm a great hunter, just lucky. I'd feel really lucky to get a buck that big because I'm a meat hunter. By the time my buck was in the butcher shop with all the unnecessary parts cut off, it only weighed 100 pounds.
You betcha i wouldn't turn down a 420 pound monster!

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from Gunslinger wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I've hunted canned hunts, and it's no fun. THe owner is only let you kill what he wants taken out of his hered. No doubt the so-called hunter in this case hand many $$$$ to invest. Me,I want a wild hunt, we here know there are many deer around, but where? thats why we hunt them. SA for 2 2 mile radius, not so, I killed a deer ayear, that 3 days before was shot at 6 miles away, but the rut was on.He aparently had a great hid-away, as weighed 289 lbs and l0 points, not bad for wild hunting. Our problem now, is, lamdownes been screwewd by many hunters and they will not allow us on their land. I see why, we got 2 ponds , allowed a gy and his Son to fish, well he apparently brought the entire neighbot, as it looked like the city dump around tthe pond and the water, plus the cut the wires to get a boat in the water. So If you are allowed to hunt another mans land, leave it as you found it, word spreads in hunting country. My next dor Neighbor wants to hnt my land, told him if I saw or heard of him on my Land the funeral home would wipe his A__, that is if my Dog don;t chew up his Ass first. Time is fast approaching when we only gonna have land that we pay to hunt or fenced hunts. Try hunting the Rockies, you will pay dearly for access to BLM land and then sometimes, they will now allow you to cross it. MAny of the outfitters will post BLM land as their huntig grond, check it out, not always true as I found out. Good hunting, hunt safe and shoot straight.

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from KBI1 wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

I stumbled upon this forum and decided to set the record straight in regards to this deer. I happen to be one of the owners and know a little about it.

The deer was not officially weighed but estimated to be approximately 420 pounds.

The photo was not photoshopped as some have suggested.

The deer has never been on steroids as some suggested. He was not born in breed pen, nor did he have an id tag as was posted recently. The deer never ate out of anyones hand. In fact the deer was born naturally in the hunting preserve. The deer is believed to be 4 years old.

The hunter did hunt 11 days for this buck. There were also a number of other hunters who hunted unsuccessfully for this buck. Some people in above posts made mention to the deer like he spent his entire life around people as a pet until he was shot. Actually the exact opposite is true. This deer had little to no contact with people his entire life. He was seen a handful of times during his 4 years but that is about it. If the deer ever sensed that a person was around he disappeared. I am guessing he had less than 5 minutes of contact with humans in his life (This does not count the few times he was seen from a stand when he had no idea someone was there).

The truth is this buck is not a whole lot different than all of the other bucks in the preserve. These deer spend the majority if not all of their lives in the preserve. They are very sensitive to hunting pressure. They will wind you as fast as any wild deer. The hardest animal to kill is a well fed mature buck that is heavily pressured. Many of the mature bucks in the preserve only move at night. Some have gone entire hunting seasons without being seen.

Yes there were 38 200" bucks shot at Wilderness Whitetails in 2009. The reason is because the genetics are incredible and the deer are allowed to mature. Unfortunately this is not the case with free range deer. It should also be noted that numerous hunters every year have gone home unsuccessful. Many hunters had to extend their hunts extra days before they harvested a deer. When hunting any preserve you are limited to harvesting mature bucks. As mentioned before these are not nearly as easy to get as most think. There are bucks in the preserves that are 8 or 9 years old that have eluded hunters for years. Some of them are giants.

Whether you believe in high fenced hunting or not it should be pointed out that Wilderness Whitetails is only successful because of the hunting experience that is offered. The people who hunt there want an incredible hunting experience and they get it. These people are not just about killing. Nearly all of the Wilderness Whitetails hunters hunt free range whitetails as well. It should also be noted that never has a Wilderness Whitetails buck been entered in a record book for free range deer.

It should also be noted that the owners of Wilderness Whitetails have also donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to organizations like SCI who do a ton for the conservation of wildlife and protect your rights as hunters. Wilderness Whitetails also does hunts for handicapped and dying kids as well as wounded veterans. You don't know about this because they are not going around doing this stuff for recognition.

It would be great I could give everyone a free hunt. I know for a fact that there are thousands that would take me up on the offer. This makes me believe the dislike for preserves is mostly about money. I am pretty sure that most of the people who commented above have never really been to a high fenced preserve and I guarantee if you were to do a hunt any reputable high fenced operation your opinion would change. Since money has been mentioned many times in above posts I will say this. You really need to realize that by the time you buy a large chunk of land and turn it into a preserve you may have several million invested. It may seem as though the hunter is spending alot of money but you need to factor in what it takes to provide that hunt opportunity and you will realize that it is pretty hard to get rich doing it.

Sorry this was long but I could not believe how misinformed some were so I felt I would take the opportunity to set the record straight.

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from Green With Envy wrote 4 years 8 weeks ago

Hey DAKOTA DAN, I wasn't looking to insult ALL the readers on this forum, just the IDIOTS (that's only about half, I figure). Careful, or you'll get yourself mixed in with'em.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

I agree with hunting2010. I myself would never hunt high fenced ranches, but I am not a very good examble because I own thousands of acres to hunt on in Western SD. I hunt this ground every year, and feel I am deserving as a land owner to get tags for free from the state like I do because I do feed all the wild life at my expense. I also allow hunters to hunt who ask and are curtious to hunt and never will take any money for it. I like to allow people the access, but see nothing wrong with someone trying to make money by charging for hunting. Someday if I am having trouble paying for the place I may have to charge for awhile to make extra money. For now I will allow access. Just to be clear, this doesn't mean that I have never told someone no, I do have a lot of people who hunt every year, and myself along with family, so I have to control the amount of hunters somewhat depending on the amount of deer we have. My only point here is quit judging people who live differently than you do, just because they figured out a way to make money and give someone an experience. And remember that the owners of these high fenced ranches are also on your side when the antis come attacking. And if you don't agree with the people who enjoy this hunting you don't have to have anything to do with it, but don't ruin their experience just to get your two cents in, as it may mean more to them than anything else in the world. My last point to everyone that has said that wildlife should remain wild. I agree in a way, but also remind you all that every pet you own was originally wild until humans tamed them. Cattle and horses(farm animals) were wild until humans came along. I agree to leave wild deer alone, but if someone owns land and buys expensive stock to put on their land, then yes I think they have the right to manage their deer herd the same way I manage my cattle herd.

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from Green With Envy wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Aw, C'mon. If the owners of that game farm called to say they'd let you hunt their high-fence operation for free and pay your expenses, half of you would hurt yourselves getting to the car. It's a business, that's all. If someone is willing to shell out the money to hunt such deer, so be it. Let's not get so jealous that we attempt to paint our deer-envy as higher ethics.

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from petersbw85 wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Since when is selective breeding viewed as a bad thing? Anyone with a dog, cat, or any other animal owns a piece of selective breeding. Even in the natural world, this occurs. I know that this deer was not truly "wild", because it was bred and fenced.
Would we really want a bunch of little deer running around, and I'm not just talking rack size. It has always and will always be about body and rack size. Even to a meat hunter, size is everything. I would much rather shoot a 150 pound doe than a yearling, I believe you would agree?

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