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September 20, 2010

Petzal Reviews the Savage MK II BTVS

By David E. Petzal

The MK II BTVS is a radical-looking .22LR bolt-action that’s one of the most accurate factory .22s* I’ve ever used. Its stock is laminated, thumbhole, with six ventilation ports and two sling swivel studs in the fore-end. All the metal is stainless steel. The barrel is 21 inches long, 1-16 twist, and medium-heavy (.800 at the muzzle). Weight is 7. 5 pounds and the Accu-Trigger on my rifle breaks at 2 pounds 8 ounces. It feeds from a five-shot magazine and fit and finish are excellent.

I tested it at 25 and 50 yards with five brands of ammo that included match, standard-, high-, and hyper-velocity loads, solid and h.p., 32 grains to 40. Accuracy ranged from good to astounding (with Federal and Eley/Remington Match, five shots groups at 25 yards that you could cover with a dime and get change back) and, very rare for a .22, everything went to the same place on the target. The point of impact shift for everything was under ½-inch.

Is the BTVS perfect? Nope. The 5-shot magazine that came with it imploded after a couple of hundred rounds. Its lips had the consistency of the tinfoil on cigarette packs, did not hold the cartridges in place, and the sides of the magazine bound on the rounds as they fed. I threw the goddamn thing away.

But there was a solution. I called Savage and got a couple of their ten-shot replacement magazines (part number 90008) which hold up fine and, when fed with 5 rounds, feed better than the original since the follower spring does not load up and the shells go into the chamber at a flatter angle.

Aside from that, this is a good-feeling rifle that duplicates the weight and balance of a big-game gun. The stock is nicely proportioned, and once you get a magazine that works, it’s a very slick-feeding and reliable rifle, which is true of all too few .22 bolt guns. The MSRP is $455. Savage could charge a lot more for something that shoots like this and it would still be a bargain.

*The others are: Ruger 10/22 Target, Thompson/Center Classic, and the Kimber/America Classic, which is now tragically out of production.

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from Arlo269 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Such language is not necessary IMO. Could be replaced with piece of crap. But hey you do have freedom of speech.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Freedom of speech is correct Arlo269.
Dave, is that a bushnell trophy 4x-12x on the gun? And how did you shoot the gun? You're lefty and the stock is right handed ??????

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from tygh98 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Just out of curiosity Arlo, which part was offensive?

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

To Woodsmanj35: I was able to shoot it because THEY MAKE IT LEFT-HANDED! The Model is BTVSL. I had no idea the rifle was in the Savage line, and when I saw one on a gun dealer's rack, I said:

"Gimme gun."

The salesperson said "Gimme money."

Next thing I knew I had a rifle.

I have no idea what kind of scope that is because it's a stock photo. I have the Leupold rimfire scope on mine.

I thought I used admirable restraint in describing the original magazine. I thought it was worth an f-bomb at least, but I can't do that.

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from Man O War wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Did you have any problems with the 10 shot magazines? Did they break too?

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I think he meant the part about the magazine that dave had to throw away.

Arlo, let me say this

1 we have the right to free speech in this country
2 Dave is a dirty mouthed gunwriter and is unashamed of himself, He is old school and will become the next generations Jack o'conner (O'connor was dirty mouth to) If you don't like Dave that's fine. People didn't like O'Conner. There will always be whiners....

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

i've been looking for a good bolt .22. don't care for the thumbhole stock but for the price on this savage i can live with it. as to arlo; i think some of us have a hard time pulling that stick out of our ass. time to come down a little closer to earth.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

To Man O War: The 10-shots work perfectly.

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from Tim Covington wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I have the slightly cheaper version of that rifle (blued and a more traditional laminate stock) and love it. The 10 round magazines are the better choice. Though, my 5 rounder it came with has not failed me.

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

So now we can't cuss and talk about wimmen any more? There seems to me a new "sherf" in town.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

To All: I really am getting dotty. Add the Sako Quad to the list of most accurate above.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

whoops, The first part of that post was at tygh98

Arlo, Dave's behavior as in his reply to my fist post is typical. I have no doubt that the buying of the gun went exactly as described.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Petzal, You for got something???? You Dumbass:) ;)

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Okay now I'm the ass...I misspelled forgot...

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from buckhunter wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I just purchased the MKII XP (camo model with synthetic stock) and had the same problem with the magazine. It split out the sides and no longer holds casings. Otherwise the the gun shoots very well.

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from Fruguy101 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I have a Remington 597 .22LR that my wife bought for me a few years ago. How does the Savage compare to the Remington I own in terms of accuracy when using quality ammunition?

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from idduckhntr wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

David, I bet it was a shooter but the only thing wrong I can see is the box of wolf ammo in the picture. I have tried it and not have had good luck with it plus the horror stories I have heard from other people using it. Good looking gun.

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from Proverbs wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Dave, I'm interested in what you think about the Rem. Model 504, if you have used or reviewed one. Just over a year ago I found one in a shop that was very lightly used, and purchased it. I found it to be a very handsome rifle that shoots lights-out. I liked it so much that I asked some friends at various shops to keep an eye out for a NIB model. There's always a few examples of discontinued guns stuck on a shelf somewhere.

Anyway, just last Friday one of my contacts called to tell me that he came across a NIB Mod. 504. Since this rifle did not make your list, I'm wondering if the lightly used model I bought was an exceptional factory example. I'm strongly considering buying the new one (asking price $735), but would like your opinion first.

Thank you in advance.

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from Brian Jackson wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I have the Savage Mark II BV, and it is a dream to shoot (same trigger, barrel, action, with a regular laminate stock). I like the extra heft when I'm drawing a bead on a squirrel.

Oh and Arlo also gets to enjoy freedom of speech. Give him a break.

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from Mike Plotner wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

im looking for a new .22......

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from Carney wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Out of curiousity... Does that rifle really need the vented stock? Or is it more of a fashion statement?

RE: Language. No one likes having their sensibilities infringed on, neither Arlo, nor Moishe, nor me -- and especially not Dave! So I suggest we settle this fair and square. We should have a street rumble (sorry, no guns allowed) and the last man / woman (just keepin' it real...) standing gets to make the language rules. And we could stage such an event yearly to keep things from getting in a rut.

Who's with me?

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

To Proverbs: The problem with making pronouncements on rifle accuracy is that they are all individuals, and because the one I checked out is a world-beater does not mean that the one you buy may not be a dog.

That said, I've had a Remington 504 for something like 5 years and have shot the hell out of it. It's a very accurate rifle, although not quite in a class with my Mark II. The only problem I had with it was on a bitter cold, snowy day when the action jammed. I think the 504 should have had far more success than it got, and I think you'd be well advised to grab the NIB one.

To Carney: The vents in the stock are a fashion statement. There is no way on earth you can shoot a .22 bolt-action hot enough that you'll need stock vents.

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from JHawes wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I think you can find that kind of accuracy in any of savages MK II rifles. I bought the standard MKII f,with a synthetic stock and no accutrigger from Walmart last summer for $124 and put a centerpoint scope on it for about $55. I've been able to shoot a playing card turned sideways with it pretty consistently between 30-50 yards. If it doesn't cut it completely in half on the first shot it usually takes a nice cut out of the card. Kind of gives new meaning to splitting a deck of cards. The magazine on mine is a 10 round as well and I have never had any issues with it feeding rounds into the chamber.

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from shane wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Agreed that the magazine is not up to par with the rifle, but my only problem was binding and not feeding up. That problem suddenly stopped and it feeds perfectly now. The bolt action feels great. Even sounds good.

Fit and finish - mine required a little work to get the stock to stop pushing on one side of the barrel.

Those vents are pretty much pointless. I can get the heavy barrel lukewarm and that's it. They help with grip a little. I don't mind the way they look, but wouldn't mind them not being there either.

Accuracy is unreal. I can tell that it shoots better than I can.

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from TxYoteHunter wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I've got that exact rifle in .17 HMR and it is dead on accurate at 100 yards. I have hit a rat in the face at 75 yds at night using a red lens light. The original 5 round magazine has not had any problems (yet) and i've got probably 750+ rounds through the gun. May have to try out this new .22 and see if it matches up with the .17 HMR. If it's anywhere close to it then Savage has another winner. Excellent rifles IMO.

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from Tom-Tom wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Dotty? Forgetful? Just wait, it keeps getting better as we age. That's why I'm in the process of buying starter rifles for the grandsons today. Had about decided on the TC Classic until your post today. The granddaughters will get the Grade II lever-action Brownings Santa brought for their Moms when they were young. The serial numbers are the same as their mom's birth year. Neither daughter developed much of an interest in outdoor activities beyond camping. There's always hope for the next generation.

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Well, now you all know why mechanics cuss. Even the ones that go to church. Funny that Savage should sell a $460 rifle with a 10 cent scope.

Dave, why don't you mention all the various Anschutzes, etc. that you've shot over the years? Don't they shoot this straight?

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Oops. I meant "ten cent magazine." Now I'm getting dotty too. Time to get away from the computer.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

To FocusFront: I've never seen an Anshcutz that didn't shoot well. I've owned two of their .22 Sporters, and liked them, except that they are willfully ugly and it's impossible for a left-hand shooter to reach the safety on a left-hand Anschutz unless he has a hand the size of Shaquille O'Neill's.

As for accuracy, the sporters were good, not great, but the target rifles are beyond belief.

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from Sidewinder wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Hey, Arlo269, go enroll in a feminine studies class at your local community college and leave us be. Occasionally, a word that is less than discrete will slip from a writer or a poster. Beware, Arlo269, there be men here. And some really kick-ass women as well!

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from Amflyer wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Regarding language:

I'm always good for a few goddamns...but every time I read "thumbhole" it makes me snigger and snort a little coffee on the keyboard.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Carney, glad you asked that question.

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from kaanimal wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Everyone please REPORT the spammers and maybe we can thin them out on this site!

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from FirstBubba wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I threw the g**damn thing away.

Mr Petzal,

Up until this point, I had the greatest respect for you.

Bubba

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from kudukid wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

You guys should try some of the old BRNO Model 1s, 2s, 3s,4s and 5s...if you can find one!
One of mine consistently shoots 50 yard groups that you can COVER with a dime...Federal Ultra Match. The other 6 will always shoot under a dime at 25 yards with anything you can put through them.
IMHO they are as well made as the 52 Winchesters and in some ways better designed. Beautifully contoured barrels.Fit and finish to be admired.

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from Quahog wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Another informative post Dave :
- Currently two 22's in my cabinet, a Browning Auto which is not accurate in any sense, but fun to shoot - and a Weatherby Mark XII bolt gun thats really my practice piece - and Anschutz accurate. I see no need for another .22( yet ).
Being a geezer myself, I'm pleased to observe that you have not become more tight - arsed in your diction as some corrective souls in the congregation might imply.
Now, if I can sneak this in before the cross-dressing toe sniffers jam us with irrelevent spam ------- .

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from Tigerbeetle wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

The Savage MKII's models are great rifles for the dollar. I have the bottom line MKIIg which is a great little gun for the money. As other commentors have stated, there are other excellent .22 rifles under $500 that will shoot little finger nail groups at 50 yards as well. I personally prefer the 5 round magazine. It doesn't interfere with the manner in which I hold the gun shooting off hand.

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from Tigerbeetle wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

You could add one more .22 rifle to the list of great shooters. That would be the Remington model Five which was imported than discontinued by Remington, but is still available by another importer. It is the Serbia C5 (I believe) aka the Remington Model Five. It is (was) a real sleeper as it shoots tighter groups with more varieties of ammo than either my MKIIg or my CZ Silhouette. Next time you try a .22 rifle or pistol, see how you like Federal Auto Match and the Winchester subsonic .22 HPs. I have found them to be consistent "minute of squirrel" rounds. TB

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from Arlo269 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I am entitled to an opionion (Such language is not necessary IMO.)
I also gave a possible solution for future references (Could be replaced with piece of crap.)
And last but not least I humbly gave in to such speech (But hey you do have freedom of speech.)
Sidewinder I am a man and YOU need to remember there be children here as well. So Petzel can give his opinion but no one else can. Gotta love that!

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from yohan wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

YUK YUK Har Har and other noises made by Ptk McMannus :}

Threw the G d thing away did ya ?
Good,. I have a deep and abiding dislike not to metion distrust for "clip fed " 22's mo matter how G dam acurate they are ,.. And Carye is right
Street rumble makes a lot of sence ,. if you wanna see a whole lotta geezers wheezing huffing and punching air : )
CHEEEEEEEE-RISTE !! Id pay mony to see that !!

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from Kansas243 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I'll stick to my Remington 513T

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from Amflyer wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

Hmm.

All this mention of gas-operated pump action shotguns and clip-fed .22's and cussing reminds me of the time I ran afoul of law enforcement and the BATF on the opening day of squirrel season.

I was planning on doing some squirrel hunting when a freak Nor'souther (that's what it's called here when the wind blows so hard all the stuff on the North side of your yard gets blown to the South) dropped the temperature from a balmy 45 degrees down to 20 or so. Add the wind chill, and it felt even worse. Never mind that this was early in the season, and was in fact my first hunt of the year.

Now, I don’t know if any of you have ever had a German Shorthair, but I do. She is in that rambunctious puppy phase that seems to happen to all pointers from the age of 1 to 15. (I let her ride around in the truck with me because I have an allergy to clean upholstery.)

I must have left a bottle of “Doe-in-Estrous” in the pocket of my hunting coat, because somewhere along the way she managed to get her head stuck firmly in the pocket trying to crunch, inhale, eat, roll in or otherwise enjoy. Finding herself stuck, she proceeded to try to remove her empty head from said pocket, simultaneously knocking over the coffee-filled Thermos, somehow unscrewing the lid in the process. She also must have got to the buck attractant opened, because added to the smell of Shorthair, coffee, adrenaline and dust wafted the smooth mellow scent of hot-truck summer-fermented artificial deer pee. All this was all happening at 67 mph on a dicey gravel road, with me cussing and trying to keep my eyes on the road at the same time as pulling the coat off my pointer’s head while not spilling a 248 oz. jug of Diet Coke into my lap.

I have succeeded in many things in my life, sometimes by luck, sometimes by talent, and sometimes with the help of others. I did not succeed today. I slammed on the brakes at the turn into the quarter I was hunting , jumped out of the truck with an empty 248 oz jug of Diet coke in one hand and a smelly miasma of hunting coat and pointer in the other.

In short order and with much ado, I managed to wring out about 113 oz. of soda from my crotch, pull the dog’s head out of the pocket, and remove little to no coffee/doe pee/dog saliva out of my coat. By this time the temperature was slightly above freezing and I knew that I would need that coat, wet or not. I loaded my .22 with all the ammo it would hold, which was considerable; truly being a gun that you could “load on Sunday and shoot all weak” (a saying which incidentally I never really understood, but then I am not in advertising and don’t know about such things. I have been accused of ‘shooting all weak’ though at the trap range.)

By the time I made it into the woods, the mixture of Diet Coke and coffee must have either warmed to body temperature, or frozen, or blown off in the wind, as I couldn’t really feel either my pants of the coat in any uncomfortable measure, although my boots were awful squishy feeling. I got myself sat down as much out of the wind as possible, and warmed by the walk there, and lulled by the roaring, freezing wind and wildly thrashing branches, I must have fallen asleep.

Now anyone can see the plausibility of my story so far, but I have to admit that I’m not really sure what happened next, but as near as I can ascertain this may be a reasonable fabrication of a minor possibility of what happened:

I was having a peaceful dream about being completely encased in a block of cold, clear, blue ice, when all of a sudden I awoke to a bewildered looking constable placing police “Do Not Enter—Crime Scene” tape all around myself and my squirrel blind. He was just to my left, half out of sight, and as I tried to turn my head I found my collar was frozen to the tree I was sitting up against. I started shivering so badly that I must have looked like I had a hot shell-casing down my collar, or having a grand mal seizure, or break-dancing or all three concurrently; when I tried to speak I could only manage a loud “Mrrrrfpp!” or two, which oddly enough, seemed to spook the fellow (although I’m not a big horror movie buff and don’t know about such things.)

My violent shivering must have shaken the safety of my .22 plumb off, and when my cold blue fingers got near the trigger with their spastic flailing, I managed to fire the entire contents of the magazine at what I would later calculate to be roughly 1257 rpm (slightly faster than a minigun I’ve been told) ventilating the leaves above us and thankfully nothing else. He dove behind the tree batting at a hot shell-casing that had fallen into his collar and yelled something about “I need backup!” and “shots fired!” and “goddamn zombies!” which really didn’t make sense at the time (but then I’m not in law enforcement and don’t know about such things.)

Still frozen to the tree, I briefly saw him come around the other side with a strange looking, taser-like object in his hand. I felt something hit my ear and shoulder, followed by an odd taser-like buzzing, and yelled at me to “not struggle!” or he would “turn up the voltage” or some such thing, but I really wasn’t going anywhere. I was still frozen to the tree and the ground; although whatever had hit me seemed to be perfectly counteracting my wild shivering, and stopped my finger from continue to jerk the trigger of my empty and smoking rifle.

I soon found myself ripped up from my woodland perch and was handcuffed, shackled and glared at. I was starting to get chilled again and the wind was still howling, but I overheard his story to his sergeant or whatever, which I have reproduced to the best of my recollection:

Seems he was traveling along a country road when he came upon an old decrepit pickup truck. It was dirty enough that it must have been abandoned just off the road some time ago. Upon investigation, he noted an emaciated, agitated German Shorthaired Pointer in the cab, and, as the door was unlocked, he investigated further. When the door was opened, he was greeted by the tell-tale odor of decomposition, or a methamphetamine lab, or something like that, so he gathered what evidence he could (which included a chewed bottle of what appeared to be some sort of urine specimen, judging from the label), locked the dog in his cruiser, and followed the trail of what was probably dried blood (or some other brown, smelly liquid) to my location.

Due to the putrid smell and rigidity of the “body,” it was obvious that he was dealing with some sort of a murder scene, and was taping off the crime scene when he heard a chattering noise, some sort of crazed methamphetamine-induced war cry, and shortly thereafter automatic gun fire. Tasering the subject elicited an somewhat atypical response, but did allow the perp. to be taken into custody. Charges would include: manufacturing and use of an automatic firearm, littering, animal cruelty and destruction the interior of a police cruiser; although technically that should have been pinned on him, as he was the braniac that locked a German Shorthair puppy in his car, not me. You would think they would teach such things at the Academy.

The judge dismissed all the charges except for the police cruiser interior destruction, and I was sentenced to 1200 hours community service and 3 consecutive Hunter Safety courses. I did have to take the dog to the vet to remove about 247 ½ “Crime Doesn’t Pay…Stay in School!” stickers from her stomach, but I wasn’t too upset, as I had the last laugh of the whole conflagration.

You see, later that year, I managed to shoot a nice 6 X 6 buck at that very site, which was sniffing a fetid remnant of coat and pants at the base of my squirrel blind tree. He green scored 227 14/23 inches and weighed close to 567 lbs. If you don’t believe me, you can ask anyone around…it was in all the papers.

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from dale freeman wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

At last,a writer with nuts and not afraid to drop em.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

....Talk about crossing the line....

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from dtownley wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

Oh! the humanity. This is the reality ? Give me two of everything and a couple of boxes of the naked ladies tees for my friends. Kids should be doing their homework on the brainbox or reading this so they know what context the evil adjectives are used, so when they join our military they no its nothing personal. He is a forgiving God. Bless You David

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

I've examined the Savage Mark II BTVS and it really is an interesting rimfire rifle. I can overlook the "Buick" vents in the stock, and I really don't object to the thumbhole. Admittedly, I have a great aversion or objection to that magazine protruding from the bottom of a decently designed rifle. I appreciate a flush fit, like the Ruger M77/22M, and I'd be more interested in this Savage if the rifle's clean lines were preserved by making it a single-shot.

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

DEP ~ Dotty? Now that's forgivable only because we will ALL be there some day.

Potty Mouths ~ And you know who you are...when you put such expletives in print, guess what? It's not just freedom of expression, it's attached to your name forever.

DEP ~ Nice post, well done and I feel informed. Now I am, according to you, a well informed, "some kind of animal," since I am a dues-paying, right-handed world citizen! Oh, and no offensive taken via your TV comment! "Many a truth is spoken in jest..." Looking forward to having you and Phil in my living room, once again, tonight! Thank you!

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from Amflyer wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

"Potty Mouths ~ And you know who you are...when you put such expletives in print, guess what? It's not just freedom of expression, it's attached to your name forever."

Guess I'll be known as "Damnflyer" from here on out then.

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from austinosphere wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Now THAT is a rifle you don't see for $99 at Walmart. I'm loving the grain on that wood. That's the only kind of .22 I want to see under my tree this Christmas.

(I operate a rifle stocks site, so yeah, this is kind of my hot button)

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from Bass2Buck wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Tats a nice gun

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I think he meant the part about the magazine that dave had to throw away.

Arlo, let me say this

1 we have the right to free speech in this country
2 Dave is a dirty mouthed gunwriter and is unashamed of himself, He is old school and will become the next generations Jack o'conner (O'connor was dirty mouth to) If you don't like Dave that's fine. People didn't like O'Conner. There will always be whiners....

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from Brian Jackson wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I have the Savage Mark II BV, and it is a dream to shoot (same trigger, barrel, action, with a regular laminate stock). I like the extra heft when I'm drawing a bead on a squirrel.

Oh and Arlo also gets to enjoy freedom of speech. Give him a break.

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from Carney wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Out of curiousity... Does that rifle really need the vented stock? Or is it more of a fashion statement?

RE: Language. No one likes having their sensibilities infringed on, neither Arlo, nor Moishe, nor me -- and especially not Dave! So I suggest we settle this fair and square. We should have a street rumble (sorry, no guns allowed) and the last man / woman (just keepin' it real...) standing gets to make the language rules. And we could stage such an event yearly to keep things from getting in a rut.

Who's with me?

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from kaanimal wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Everyone please REPORT the spammers and maybe we can thin them out on this site!

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from Amflyer wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

"Potty Mouths ~ And you know who you are...when you put such expletives in print, guess what? It's not just freedom of expression, it's attached to your name forever."

Guess I'll be known as "Damnflyer" from here on out then.

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from Arlo269 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Such language is not necessary IMO. Could be replaced with piece of crap. But hey you do have freedom of speech.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

To Woodsmanj35: I was able to shoot it because THEY MAKE IT LEFT-HANDED! The Model is BTVSL. I had no idea the rifle was in the Savage line, and when I saw one on a gun dealer's rack, I said:

"Gimme gun."

The salesperson said "Gimme money."

Next thing I knew I had a rifle.

I have no idea what kind of scope that is because it's a stock photo. I have the Leupold rimfire scope on mine.

I thought I used admirable restraint in describing the original magazine. I thought it was worth an f-bomb at least, but I can't do that.

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from Sidewinder wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Hey, Arlo269, go enroll in a feminine studies class at your local community college and leave us be. Occasionally, a word that is less than discrete will slip from a writer or a poster. Beware, Arlo269, there be men here. And some really kick-ass women as well!

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from Kansas243 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I'll stick to my Remington 513T

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from Amflyer wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

Hmm.

All this mention of gas-operated pump action shotguns and clip-fed .22's and cussing reminds me of the time I ran afoul of law enforcement and the BATF on the opening day of squirrel season.

I was planning on doing some squirrel hunting when a freak Nor'souther (that's what it's called here when the wind blows so hard all the stuff on the North side of your yard gets blown to the South) dropped the temperature from a balmy 45 degrees down to 20 or so. Add the wind chill, and it felt even worse. Never mind that this was early in the season, and was in fact my first hunt of the year.

Now, I don’t know if any of you have ever had a German Shorthair, but I do. She is in that rambunctious puppy phase that seems to happen to all pointers from the age of 1 to 15. (I let her ride around in the truck with me because I have an allergy to clean upholstery.)

I must have left a bottle of “Doe-in-Estrous” in the pocket of my hunting coat, because somewhere along the way she managed to get her head stuck firmly in the pocket trying to crunch, inhale, eat, roll in or otherwise enjoy. Finding herself stuck, she proceeded to try to remove her empty head from said pocket, simultaneously knocking over the coffee-filled Thermos, somehow unscrewing the lid in the process. She also must have got to the buck attractant opened, because added to the smell of Shorthair, coffee, adrenaline and dust wafted the smooth mellow scent of hot-truck summer-fermented artificial deer pee. All this was all happening at 67 mph on a dicey gravel road, with me cussing and trying to keep my eyes on the road at the same time as pulling the coat off my pointer’s head while not spilling a 248 oz. jug of Diet Coke into my lap.

I have succeeded in many things in my life, sometimes by luck, sometimes by talent, and sometimes with the help of others. I did not succeed today. I slammed on the brakes at the turn into the quarter I was hunting , jumped out of the truck with an empty 248 oz jug of Diet coke in one hand and a smelly miasma of hunting coat and pointer in the other.

In short order and with much ado, I managed to wring out about 113 oz. of soda from my crotch, pull the dog’s head out of the pocket, and remove little to no coffee/doe pee/dog saliva out of my coat. By this time the temperature was slightly above freezing and I knew that I would need that coat, wet or not. I loaded my .22 with all the ammo it would hold, which was considerable; truly being a gun that you could “load on Sunday and shoot all weak” (a saying which incidentally I never really understood, but then I am not in advertising and don’t know about such things. I have been accused of ‘shooting all weak’ though at the trap range.)

By the time I made it into the woods, the mixture of Diet Coke and coffee must have either warmed to body temperature, or frozen, or blown off in the wind, as I couldn’t really feel either my pants of the coat in any uncomfortable measure, although my boots were awful squishy feeling. I got myself sat down as much out of the wind as possible, and warmed by the walk there, and lulled by the roaring, freezing wind and wildly thrashing branches, I must have fallen asleep.

Now anyone can see the plausibility of my story so far, but I have to admit that I’m not really sure what happened next, but as near as I can ascertain this may be a reasonable fabrication of a minor possibility of what happened:

I was having a peaceful dream about being completely encased in a block of cold, clear, blue ice, when all of a sudden I awoke to a bewildered looking constable placing police “Do Not Enter—Crime Scene” tape all around myself and my squirrel blind. He was just to my left, half out of sight, and as I tried to turn my head I found my collar was frozen to the tree I was sitting up against. I started shivering so badly that I must have looked like I had a hot shell-casing down my collar, or having a grand mal seizure, or break-dancing or all three concurrently; when I tried to speak I could only manage a loud “Mrrrrfpp!” or two, which oddly enough, seemed to spook the fellow (although I’m not a big horror movie buff and don’t know about such things.)

My violent shivering must have shaken the safety of my .22 plumb off, and when my cold blue fingers got near the trigger with their spastic flailing, I managed to fire the entire contents of the magazine at what I would later calculate to be roughly 1257 rpm (slightly faster than a minigun I’ve been told) ventilating the leaves above us and thankfully nothing else. He dove behind the tree batting at a hot shell-casing that had fallen into his collar and yelled something about “I need backup!” and “shots fired!” and “goddamn zombies!” which really didn’t make sense at the time (but then I’m not in law enforcement and don’t know about such things.)

Still frozen to the tree, I briefly saw him come around the other side with a strange looking, taser-like object in his hand. I felt something hit my ear and shoulder, followed by an odd taser-like buzzing, and yelled at me to “not struggle!” or he would “turn up the voltage” or some such thing, but I really wasn’t going anywhere. I was still frozen to the tree and the ground; although whatever had hit me seemed to be perfectly counteracting my wild shivering, and stopped my finger from continue to jerk the trigger of my empty and smoking rifle.

I soon found myself ripped up from my woodland perch and was handcuffed, shackled and glared at. I was starting to get chilled again and the wind was still howling, but I overheard his story to his sergeant or whatever, which I have reproduced to the best of my recollection:

Seems he was traveling along a country road when he came upon an old decrepit pickup truck. It was dirty enough that it must have been abandoned just off the road some time ago. Upon investigation, he noted an emaciated, agitated German Shorthaired Pointer in the cab, and, as the door was unlocked, he investigated further. When the door was opened, he was greeted by the tell-tale odor of decomposition, or a methamphetamine lab, or something like that, so he gathered what evidence he could (which included a chewed bottle of what appeared to be some sort of urine specimen, judging from the label), locked the dog in his cruiser, and followed the trail of what was probably dried blood (or some other brown, smelly liquid) to my location.

Due to the putrid smell and rigidity of the “body,” it was obvious that he was dealing with some sort of a murder scene, and was taping off the crime scene when he heard a chattering noise, some sort of crazed methamphetamine-induced war cry, and shortly thereafter automatic gun fire. Tasering the subject elicited an somewhat atypical response, but did allow the perp. to be taken into custody. Charges would include: manufacturing and use of an automatic firearm, littering, animal cruelty and destruction the interior of a police cruiser; although technically that should have been pinned on him, as he was the braniac that locked a German Shorthair puppy in his car, not me. You would think they would teach such things at the Academy.

The judge dismissed all the charges except for the police cruiser interior destruction, and I was sentenced to 1200 hours community service and 3 consecutive Hunter Safety courses. I did have to take the dog to the vet to remove about 247 ½ “Crime Doesn’t Pay…Stay in School!” stickers from her stomach, but I wasn’t too upset, as I had the last laugh of the whole conflagration.

You see, later that year, I managed to shoot a nice 6 X 6 buck at that very site, which was sniffing a fetid remnant of coat and pants at the base of my squirrel blind tree. He green scored 227 14/23 inches and weighed close to 567 lbs. If you don’t believe me, you can ask anyone around…it was in all the papers.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Freedom of speech is correct Arlo269.
Dave, is that a bushnell trophy 4x-12x on the gun? And how did you shoot the gun? You're lefty and the stock is right handed ??????

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from Man O War wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Did you have any problems with the 10 shot magazines? Did they break too?

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

To Man O War: The 10-shots work perfectly.

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from Tim Covington wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I have the slightly cheaper version of that rifle (blued and a more traditional laminate stock) and love it. The 10 round magazines are the better choice. Though, my 5 rounder it came with has not failed me.

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

So now we can't cuss and talk about wimmen any more? There seems to me a new "sherf" in town.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

whoops, The first part of that post was at tygh98

Arlo, Dave's behavior as in his reply to my fist post is typical. I have no doubt that the buying of the gun went exactly as described.

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from Proverbs wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Dave, I'm interested in what you think about the Rem. Model 504, if you have used or reviewed one. Just over a year ago I found one in a shop that was very lightly used, and purchased it. I found it to be a very handsome rifle that shoots lights-out. I liked it so much that I asked some friends at various shops to keep an eye out for a NIB model. There's always a few examples of discontinued guns stuck on a shelf somewhere.

Anyway, just last Friday one of my contacts called to tell me that he came across a NIB Mod. 504. Since this rifle did not make your list, I'm wondering if the lightly used model I bought was an exceptional factory example. I'm strongly considering buying the new one (asking price $735), but would like your opinion first.

Thank you in advance.

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from Mike Plotner wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

im looking for a new .22......

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

To Proverbs: The problem with making pronouncements on rifle accuracy is that they are all individuals, and because the one I checked out is a world-beater does not mean that the one you buy may not be a dog.

That said, I've had a Remington 504 for something like 5 years and have shot the hell out of it. It's a very accurate rifle, although not quite in a class with my Mark II. The only problem I had with it was on a bitter cold, snowy day when the action jammed. I think the 504 should have had far more success than it got, and I think you'd be well advised to grab the NIB one.

To Carney: The vents in the stock are a fashion statement. There is no way on earth you can shoot a .22 bolt-action hot enough that you'll need stock vents.

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from kudukid wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

You guys should try some of the old BRNO Model 1s, 2s, 3s,4s and 5s...if you can find one!
One of mine consistently shoots 50 yard groups that you can COVER with a dime...Federal Ultra Match. The other 6 will always shoot under a dime at 25 yards with anything you can put through them.
IMHO they are as well made as the 52 Winchesters and in some ways better designed. Beautifully contoured barrels.Fit and finish to be admired.

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from Quahog wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Another informative post Dave :
- Currently two 22's in my cabinet, a Browning Auto which is not accurate in any sense, but fun to shoot - and a Weatherby Mark XII bolt gun thats really my practice piece - and Anschutz accurate. I see no need for another .22( yet ).
Being a geezer myself, I'm pleased to observe that you have not become more tight - arsed in your diction as some corrective souls in the congregation might imply.
Now, if I can sneak this in before the cross-dressing toe sniffers jam us with irrelevent spam ------- .

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from Tigerbeetle wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

You could add one more .22 rifle to the list of great shooters. That would be the Remington model Five which was imported than discontinued by Remington, but is still available by another importer. It is the Serbia C5 (I believe) aka the Remington Model Five. It is (was) a real sleeper as it shoots tighter groups with more varieties of ammo than either my MKIIg or my CZ Silhouette. Next time you try a .22 rifle or pistol, see how you like Federal Auto Match and the Winchester subsonic .22 HPs. I have found them to be consistent "minute of squirrel" rounds. TB

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from Arlo269 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I am entitled to an opionion (Such language is not necessary IMO.)
I also gave a possible solution for future references (Could be replaced with piece of crap.)
And last but not least I humbly gave in to such speech (But hey you do have freedom of speech.)
Sidewinder I am a man and YOU need to remember there be children here as well. So Petzel can give his opinion but no one else can. Gotta love that!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

....Talk about crossing the line....

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

DEP ~ Dotty? Now that's forgivable only because we will ALL be there some day.

Potty Mouths ~ And you know who you are...when you put such expletives in print, guess what? It's not just freedom of expression, it's attached to your name forever.

DEP ~ Nice post, well done and I feel informed. Now I am, according to you, a well informed, "some kind of animal," since I am a dues-paying, right-handed world citizen! Oh, and no offensive taken via your TV comment! "Many a truth is spoken in jest..." Looking forward to having you and Phil in my living room, once again, tonight! Thank you!

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from austinosphere wrote 3 years 28 weeks ago

Now THAT is a rifle you don't see for $99 at Walmart. I'm loving the grain on that wood. That's the only kind of .22 I want to see under my tree this Christmas.

(I operate a rifle stocks site, so yeah, this is kind of my hot button)

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from Bass2Buck wrote 3 years 27 weeks ago

Tats a nice gun

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

To All: I really am getting dotty. Add the Sako Quad to the list of most accurate above.

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Okay now I'm the ass...I misspelled forgot...

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from buckhunter wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I just purchased the MKII XP (camo model with synthetic stock) and had the same problem with the magazine. It split out the sides and no longer holds casings. Otherwise the the gun shoots very well.

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from Fruguy101 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I have a Remington 597 .22LR that my wife bought for me a few years ago. How does the Savage compare to the Remington I own in terms of accuracy when using quality ammunition?

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from idduckhntr wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

David, I bet it was a shooter but the only thing wrong I can see is the box of wolf ammo in the picture. I have tried it and not have had good luck with it plus the horror stories I have heard from other people using it. Good looking gun.

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from JHawes wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I think you can find that kind of accuracy in any of savages MK II rifles. I bought the standard MKII f,with a synthetic stock and no accutrigger from Walmart last summer for $124 and put a centerpoint scope on it for about $55. I've been able to shoot a playing card turned sideways with it pretty consistently between 30-50 yards. If it doesn't cut it completely in half on the first shot it usually takes a nice cut out of the card. Kind of gives new meaning to splitting a deck of cards. The magazine on mine is a 10 round as well and I have never had any issues with it feeding rounds into the chamber.

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from shane wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Agreed that the magazine is not up to par with the rifle, but my only problem was binding and not feeding up. That problem suddenly stopped and it feeds perfectly now. The bolt action feels great. Even sounds good.

Fit and finish - mine required a little work to get the stock to stop pushing on one side of the barrel.

Those vents are pretty much pointless. I can get the heavy barrel lukewarm and that's it. They help with grip a little. I don't mind the way they look, but wouldn't mind them not being there either.

Accuracy is unreal. I can tell that it shoots better than I can.

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from TxYoteHunter wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I've got that exact rifle in .17 HMR and it is dead on accurate at 100 yards. I have hit a rat in the face at 75 yds at night using a red lens light. The original 5 round magazine has not had any problems (yet) and i've got probably 750+ rounds through the gun. May have to try out this new .22 and see if it matches up with the .17 HMR. If it's anywhere close to it then Savage has another winner. Excellent rifles IMO.

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from Tom-Tom wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Dotty? Forgetful? Just wait, it keeps getting better as we age. That's why I'm in the process of buying starter rifles for the grandsons today. Had about decided on the TC Classic until your post today. The granddaughters will get the Grade II lever-action Brownings Santa brought for their Moms when they were young. The serial numbers are the same as their mom's birth year. Neither daughter developed much of an interest in outdoor activities beyond camping. There's always hope for the next generation.

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Well, now you all know why mechanics cuss. Even the ones that go to church. Funny that Savage should sell a $460 rifle with a 10 cent scope.

Dave, why don't you mention all the various Anschutzes, etc. that you've shot over the years? Don't they shoot this straight?

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Oops. I meant "ten cent magazine." Now I'm getting dotty too. Time to get away from the computer.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

To FocusFront: I've never seen an Anshcutz that didn't shoot well. I've owned two of their .22 Sporters, and liked them, except that they are willfully ugly and it's impossible for a left-hand shooter to reach the safety on a left-hand Anschutz unless he has a hand the size of Shaquille O'Neill's.

As for accuracy, the sporters were good, not great, but the target rifles are beyond belief.

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from Amflyer wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Regarding language:

I'm always good for a few goddamns...but every time I read "thumbhole" it makes me snigger and snort a little coffee on the keyboard.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Carney, glad you asked that question.

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from Tigerbeetle wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

The Savage MKII's models are great rifles for the dollar. I have the bottom line MKIIg which is a great little gun for the money. As other commentors have stated, there are other excellent .22 rifles under $500 that will shoot little finger nail groups at 50 yards as well. I personally prefer the 5 round magazine. It doesn't interfere with the manner in which I hold the gun shooting off hand.

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from yohan wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

YUK YUK Har Har and other noises made by Ptk McMannus :}

Threw the G d thing away did ya ?
Good,. I have a deep and abiding dislike not to metion distrust for "clip fed " 22's mo matter how G dam acurate they are ,.. And Carye is right
Street rumble makes a lot of sence ,. if you wanna see a whole lotta geezers wheezing huffing and punching air : )
CHEEEEEEEE-RISTE !! Id pay mony to see that !!

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from dtownley wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

Oh! the humanity. This is the reality ? Give me two of everything and a couple of boxes of the naked ladies tees for my friends. Kids should be doing their homework on the brainbox or reading this so they know what context the evil adjectives are used, so when they join our military they no its nothing personal. He is a forgiving God. Bless You David

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from Edward J. Palumbo wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

I've examined the Savage Mark II BTVS and it really is an interesting rimfire rifle. I can overlook the "Buick" vents in the stock, and I really don't object to the thumbhole. Admittedly, I have a great aversion or objection to that magazine protruding from the bottom of a decently designed rifle. I appreciate a flush fit, like the Ruger M77/22M, and I'd be more interested in this Savage if the rifle's clean lines were preserved by making it a single-shot.

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from FirstBubba wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

I threw the g**damn thing away.

Mr Petzal,

Up until this point, I had the greatest respect for you.

Bubba

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from dale freeman wrote 3 years 29 weeks ago

At last,a writer with nuts and not afraid to drop em.

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from tygh98 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Just out of curiosity Arlo, which part was offensive?

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

Petzal, You for got something???? You Dumbass:) ;)

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 30 weeks ago

i've been looking for a good bolt .22. don't care for the thumbhole stock but for the price on this savage i can live with it. as to arlo; i think some of us have a hard time pulling that stick out of our ass. time to come down a little closer to earth.

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