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June 12, 2009

No B.S. Accuracy Challenge

Esteemed colleagues and fellow bloggers: The following video extravaganza is an electronic manifestation of a special feature that's running in the July issue of Field & Stream. It's called "No-B.S. Accuracy" and I cordially invite you all to buy the magazine, take the shooting test, and post your score here. If you lie, we will know about it and we will send Carrie Prejean to your house to beat the hell out of you in front the neighbors. She needs the work. Shoot straight and tell the truth. - Dave Petzal

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from duckcreekdick wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Excellent video, Dave. If more hunters would shoot this course of fire before deer and elk season, they would be more successful and also realize their shooting limitations. What caliber rifle was the young lady using? It was rocking her back some.

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from EricAichele wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

The true question is where do we all sign up for shooting lessons? Great job Kristyn!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Great shooting! I damn sure wouldn't want her shooting at me! Dnag sure is Minute of Jihadist!

I'll take some of that wager that she can outshoot most "experienced" deer hunters. My coin is on Kristyn!

That is similar to my tune up for elk season. I fill up a bunch of gallon milk jugs with water. Using the hardest recoiling rifle I own and wearing a t-shirt with no shooting pad, I shoot 2 jugs at 50 yards standing offhand rapid fire.

If I hit both, I move on to 75 yards 2 shots offhand standing.

If both are hits, next is 2 shots at 125 yards sitting or kneeling, sling only - no sticks.

If I hit both, next is 175 yards supported, sitting, or using the stick and sling.

If I have hit all the shots, I'll shoot a few at 200-225 yards sitting, supported, or with my monopod stick.

Any misses in the series, go back and shoot the previous set again, and repeat.

The thought of having to repeat sets and turning my shoulder into cubed steak improves my concentration! If you can shoot 'Minute of Milk Jug' at practical hunting ranges, you are ready for the hunt!

I will take the test and report as soon as I get my F&S in the mail.

WMH

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from jcarlin wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Considering the penalty for lying put forth above: I, jcarlin, the King of Spain shot this test 5 consecutive times with all shots being within a half minute of angle of the target.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

No B.S. Accuracy Challenge?

O”BROTHER!

I don’t call that a challenge at all!

First of all, need to toss that piece of crap bipod in the trash!

Dave when you want to get into real shooting let me know

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Give me an hour or two and I can have Kristin shooting like a pro!

One round in one minute?

She would be shooting 10 rounds!

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from PawPaw wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

It looks like a good course of fire for novice/recreational shooters. I'd like to see it in writing. As I was taking notes, I came up with 125 possible points? What did I miss?

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from 2Poppa wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Great video Dave.

Kristyn was definitely burnin' some powder,and certainly is an excellent example of the next generation of the up and coming shooters!
I especially enjoyed seein' how she was trying to shoot her "bonus shot" @ 150-yards,but couldn't get it off in time.

You exhibited the trait of a safety conscience instructor, as you told her to "open the bolt."

By the way, her set-up appears much like mine.
What caliber and type of gun,scope was she shootin'?

It appeared to thump her good at each report,but her form held steady.

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from spuddog wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

I am humbled and driven to practice more as I can see that I would be lacking, but I still have 2 problems 1) a place where I can shoot like this 2) the $$$ to afford the ammo.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Laying all jokes aside

As for her shooting prone and shooting to the right, it wasn’t wind. What happened is, using the bipod she had to use her upper body to change the point of aim to the left causing her to shoot right this is one of the major causes of misses! Whatever the direction you must move from the natural point of aim, you’ll shoot back towards the natural point of aim.

Watching Kristen shoot with just a little coaching and some changes she will be out shooting her Dad and the rest of us!

Back in 85, I remember the Colonels daughter Mrs. Sandra Warmon wanted to shoot high power. NO WAY! I had better plans for this young teenager so I immediately contacted my friend and hunting partner MSgt Mike Woodruff NRA Shooting Coach and Team Captain for the Air Force Small Bore Team. He also ran a small bore junior shooting program downtown Alamogordo NM. Within a month, Mike and I realized we had a real shooter on our hands. Mike contacted one of the NRA Olympic Coaches in Albuquerque. All this started around April or May of 85 and in June of 86 Sandra was at the Whittington Center in Raton New Mexico for the Olympic tryouts! Later on at the at the1995 NRA convention in Phoenix Arizona, I ran into a friend while stationed at Eielson AFB Alaska 86-90, Mr. Randy Pitney was director of athletics and recreation at the University of Alaska Fairbanks. I found out thru him Sandra became a mega hit with the NRA shooting community and wanted Sandra so bad that the University was offering a free scholarship and wanted to know if I could twist her arm. I haven’t had any contact with Sandra since May of 86.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

O'A minus-1 there must be an antishooter amongst us!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

2Poppa

You said
You exhibited the trait of a safety conscience instructor, as you told her to "open the bolt."

You caught that to and a +1 for you Sir!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

For very little experience, Kristin shoot very well!
Hey Clay, there is no shame is using a bi-pod; if it ensures a better kill-use it!
Although I don't use one, I am not averse to resting against a fence post, or stiff tree trunk.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

Darn spell check, I meant "shot very well"

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

David
I’m not David Letterman so you’ll have to find another person to observe this phenomenon. As a shooter shoots in prone position you can actually see a shockwave travel down there body to their feet and back up.
Also you can stand or sit behind a shooter with a “SPOTTING” scope or binoculars and watch the wake of the bullet travel down range starting at 300 yards. On the 1000 yard line early in the morning if you get the sunlight just right at your back standing on the opposite end of the firing line you can actually see the wake of the bullet about the 500-400 yard line and about 20 or so yards in front of the wake you will see the bullet reflecting the sun light screaming down range. The Whittington Center 1000 yard line is one of the best places to observe this.

Gotta run going to Branson and I hope I got this right!

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from Del in KS wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

Dave am I right in thinking that is a TC Icon Kristyn is shooting? My guess is it's a 243 or 308. Am I right Dave?The young lady is a very good shot. As for yours truly. We have a 12 inch round gong on the 200 yd berm at Mill Creek rifle club. I usually bang away at that from different positions to tune up for fall. Four out of five from off hand is about as good as I can do most days. Much depends on which gun I'm shooting. A slightly barrel heavy gun seems to help.

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from Del in KS wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

OK Dave I'm back from the range. I shot a perfect score and Clay Cooper didn't even hit paper once. heh,heh. Guess you'll have to send Carrie over. Make sure you give her good directions!

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from ranger2 wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

Even if this was not a great way to practice, it looks like a lot of fun, and a good way to a charged up afternoon of making bets with your buddies. By the way, I hope to see the young lady shoot this test again after six months of practice and coaching... what say Dave? Another video in six months?

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from Del in KS wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

Looked again and I'm gonna say TC Venture in 270 Win. Dave what scope is that? I see it has the rubber ring for eye protection, Zeiss or TC maybe?

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

I am going to have to try that one after haying season is over! That looks like an awesome challenge.

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from blueridge wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

Hey, Dave...

I like practical tests like these.

Well done.

Blue

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from platte river rat wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

w0000000000w Dave your videos are getting better all the time. I admire you for using such a pleasant young lady for a shooting partner. Maybe this will get other ladies of all ages interested in our wonderful sport of shooting and hunting. The women in my family are all hunters and even like to help in the reloading part of it. Guess I'm lucky to have my ladies for wonderful hunting and shooting partners. Keep up the good work Dave.

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from Moishe wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

Good video Dave, go a head ans send Carrie to my place.

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from Carney wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

I am stunned and amazed that with 23 responses there were only 3 that referenced the need / desire to have Ms.Prejean come with her "beat up boots" on. I really do think that a good Christian Lady scares the crap out of you guys!

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from Carney wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

PS = I sent the last post before I watched the video. Now that I've seen the vid, I must say once again that, "Dave, this is your niche." And I know the producers are having a blast setting you up for outtakes!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

As great a writer as Dave is, his videos are better... they convey his authority and project the same sarcastic intellect and sharp wit that inspire a laugh and a smile and respect and admiration all at the same time.

Learn to cook Dave and you and Martha Stewart could be in the same income bracket! The more I see, the more I like... plus you talk slow enough

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

Ahem as I was saying... plus you talk slow enough to be understood below the Mason/Dixon line.

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from davidpetzal wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

To All, Generally: Thank you for your kind comments. Many years ago, a member of the press asked Britain's Prince Philip why he spoke so slowly. "Because everything I say is so f**king important, I want you to get every word," saith the the Prince.

The rifle is indeed a T/C Venture in .30/06, and I understand that the stock we had is going to be replaced. It shoots like a sumbitch. You can't believe the groups you see. The scope is a Nikon.

Clay Cooper makes a very good point about bullet impact and body attitude. If you're lying the wrong way, the shots will not go where you want them to. However, in this case, I'm convinced that what pulled those shots to the right was the wind. I've shot from that spot many times, prone, from a benchrest, and over a car hood, and no matter what you do, you always have to cope with that left-to-right breeze (or gale). Kristyn had never shot from 300 yards before, and she had her hands full without watching what the wind was doing.

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from sskbkrdg wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

I had a course with similar shooting distances when I was a young fella. It was a 400 acre farm and my "course" was called groundhog hunting. Not only did I usually shoot offhand as I stalked around the farm, I learned to estimate distances pretty well too. 5 seconds was about right, If that 'ol whistle-pig saw me.I started out with a 22 and once I cleaned out the careless ones, I moved up to my '06.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

Great video Dave. - I especially enjoyed the out-takes. Thanks for including them.

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from ishawooa wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

Good video. If it ever stops raining in Wyoming I will give the challenge a try. Like I have said before if you can locate a young lady who is interested in shooting she will often fair better and learn quicker than a young man of identical age. I have no real basis for this statement other than years of observation. The same holds true for learning to ride and/or show horses. Frankly I would like to have heard Kristyn's personal impressions verbalized by her as often it is beneficial to know what the shooter thinks. Of course Dave was privy to her statements. Another gadget that sometimes assists in windy or gusting wind situations is a Kestrel or a Caldwell wind meter. Yeah I know it only tells you the velocity when it is located and not 300 or 500 yards away but still it is better than guessing. I have targets shot by several people which demonstrate the variances obtained with and without use of the instrument. Groups are almost always better when the wind movement is closely monitored. The wind normally blows here especially when we shoot. Dave does perform exceptionally well on these videos and I believe there is no script which makes it even more realistic. From the first video onward I have enjoyed not only the slowness of his speech but also his enunciation and certainly the humorous quips. Keep them coming, then combine all on a disc to be sold on the internet. A couple acquaintances nearby did this concerning long range shooting yielding one of them almost a quarter milliion dollar in two years. I don't know what the other guy collected.

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from Shaky wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

Fantastic job, Dave and Kristin. One question, Dave, I really liked that quickstep, you performed. Maybe you could also include instructions for performing that on your cd.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

davidpetzal

Kristyn had never shot from 300 yards before?

Did an excellent job in doing so!

I went back to take another look at her prone position and using that tarp instead of a shooting mat must have been hell on the elbows and every other place you have a rock sting up!

Next time she is shooting at 300, sit behind her with your spotting scope and observe the bullet going down range.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=shooting+prone+&docid=710654230546&m...

Ralph the Rifleman
As far as using a bi-pod and you know how to use it, I say go for it! I find using one is a pain in the butt and that’s why I use a military 1 ¼ in sling which I find to work best especially for those 700 yard shots.

http://www.geekoffice.com/option,com_seyret/task,videodirectlink/Itemid,...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

Blocked Rifle Barrel Explodes

http://www.bing.com/videos?q=rifle+barrel+exploding&filt=custom&docid=
977793712576&mid=D017ED79560A6CE6B157D017ED
79560A6CE6B157&FORM=VIVR

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from Zermoid wrote 20 weeks 2 days ago

Hey Dave, as one grizzled old cus to another, how do you score the cute girls to "work" with?
I only seem to get asked to help, let's say, less than appealing folks, and most are male too boot.

I got no luck I guess......

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 20 weeks 2 days ago

Sounds like a fun way to show how accurate people really are... all real life situations. Make sure to get the ammo though which may be a little harder to fine or might put a delay on this accuracy test.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 2 days ago

Ralph the Rifleman
I agree with you there is no shame is using a bi-pod; if it ensures a better kill-use it. However, I’ve witnessed to many misses where the shooter did use a bipod all because he didn’t know his basic shooting skills.

Let’s lay all jokes aside and get down to basics. The reason Kristyn had problems is easily seen. The bipod was too high and had to lift her upper body into the rifle unable to rest the butt of the rifle for a dead solid aim.

Here’s a link on a video I find very instructional.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=shooting+prone+&docid=710654230546&m...

Bottom line,

You must have your shooting basics down to a science or better yet second nature before modifying the way you shoot.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

Not to be construed as a dirty old man comment (which I am), but she has two impediments that require her to shoot from a "shoulders high" position that preclude a lower shoulder position, if you catch my drift....

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from Gunslinger wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

Very good::::: Will agree, girls are easier to teach than guys, they listen, guys know it all when it comes to hunting. I bet she's using a Nikon scope with the eye focus piece at the eye to prevent the ring around. I also use a Bi-pod as with 2 hips replaced,cannot shoot prone or off l dropped knee. All I see missing is the bolt appears to be kinda hard to eject the shell.Hopefully she can learn to reload with-out taking the gun down from shooting position. That was hard for me after I switched from the 742 to a 700. A dab of Graphite would help that or either the new Marlin XL7 with the fluted bolt. I have a 350 yds range, will give my 700 in 25-06 mounted with a Nimon Monarch and Leupold DDT tail mounts a try out and see how I can do.I do not plan a 500 yd shot,but if the last hour of my hunt and its do or die, I may give it a try. Never shot over 400 yds before, but have killed many animals at the 3-350 range. I do prefer about 200 or less such as we have here at home. But out in the bonnies, a 500 yd shot is a likely. Plus What ammo did this young girl use? Factory or hand loads? She could go hunting with me anytime. I do like to be in camp a couple days extra and use the range some and watch the guys I will hunt wih on how they handle a firearm and shoot. Many times I have decided to hunt on my on after seeing whom I was paired with. I want that muzzle pointed away from me and prefer the other guy to be in front of me, regrdless who gets the first shot.And the first guy I see prop his gun up beside a vehicle, I'm going back to camp. Lay that sucker on the ground with bolt open.Recall the woman who killed her Son while she unloaded her gun a few yrs back? I have one of those 700's in 25-06. Remington never stated how they settled that claim. But, not the guns fault, as a 2 position safety is safe ,if used proper, a zillion out there. Many older hunters need to take the safety course. Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

Gentlemen
I truly believe that’s Mr. Petzal Daughter you’re talking about!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

I remember a story about General George Washington. One evening he interred the Officers Tent for dinner to dine with his Officers. As he sat down, numerous of the Officers were using offensive language. General Washington stood up then said “excuse me, I was under the understanding I was amongst Gentlemen” then turned and exited the tent.

Think about it!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

If you took my comment regarding shoulder position as an ungentlemanly remark, then you sir have a dirty mind.

It matters not if she is Petzal's daughter. She is someone's daughter and presumed to be a lady until otherwise demonstrated.

I humble apologize if I have offended Ms Kristyn or anyone else. It was certainly not intended to be offensive or crude.

WMH

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from hjohn429 wrote 20 weeks 23 hours ago

Dang, that girl can out-shoot me! It look like I really need to start practicing a whole lot more.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 22 hours ago

You better watch it hjohn429, the next time we see her maybe at the Whittington Center for the Olympic tryouts!

Don’t laugh, it happened to me back in 86!

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from 60256 wrote 20 weeks 18 hours ago

Dave: Great video! I will be getting to the range as soon as I can.
Another way to look at the quick round shots at the beginning would be to practice shooting and getting ready right away for ducks or pheasants.

Nate

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from jbird wrote 19 weeks 6 days ago

I think she shot great for a new shooter. Seems like a pretty good test for a beginner to intermediate shooter. That's alot of shooting for a small woman w/ an .06. Great vid as always Dave.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 19 weeks 5 days ago

jbird

Good point and a +1 for you!

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from Vagabond wrote 19 weeks 4 days ago

No substitute for burning powder is there?

Great shooting. Tough young lady as well as talented.

I end up using something like this within the limits of the facilities we have here - 25, 50, 100 yds - offhand at each distance, some supported as well. I get a reminder of what the impact is at each distance as well as some practice in the fundamentals.

When I can get to the only 300 yd range within 150 miles, on the weekends it IS available, ONLY one distance is available (300 or 200 depending on the calendar).

South Florida is not exactly a shooters paradise for facilities...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 19 weeks 4 days ago

But South Florida is a 'target rich environment' LOL

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from Bill Fischer wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

This is GOOD pratice. When shooting Big Bore we generally start with the First shots on "STICKS" then the next 2 off hand. But 5 sec is way to long for follow up shots at 25 yards. Very Good video, well explained. Mainly people need to shoot more and get "OFF THE BENCH".

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from deadeye11 wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

This looks like a great course. I havent shot it yet but i plan on doing so. Being an avid deer hunter myself, i know what it is like to take a quick offhand shot. That was a great video and even better shooting.

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from Slim Pickens wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Great video. Way to go Kristyn!!! Hope my sons meet a young lady like you.

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from cdwdogg wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

I just have one question. I am going to buy a T/C rifle for the fall. It will either be an icon or the Venture. Here is my question. Is the bolt on the Venture jewled like the one on the Icon. What i mean by jewled is it polished and with swirl marks. I am going to have to order the gun as no dealers have it around here. So I would like to know this before I do so. Thanks

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from klug3 wrote 17 weeks 2 days ago

Nice vid.

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from rudyglove27 wrote 14 weeks 3 days ago

Great video Dave!!!!Excellent shooting for you Kristyn!!! You did outstanding for beginners......

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

For very little experience, Kristin shoot very well!
Hey Clay, there is no shame is using a bi-pod; if it ensures a better kill-use it!
Although I don't use one, I am not averse to resting against a fence post, or stiff tree trunk.

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from duckcreekdick wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Excellent video, Dave. If more hunters would shoot this course of fire before deer and elk season, they would be more successful and also realize their shooting limitations. What caliber rifle was the young lady using? It was rocking her back some.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Great shooting! I damn sure wouldn't want her shooting at me! Dnag sure is Minute of Jihadist!

I'll take some of that wager that she can outshoot most "experienced" deer hunters. My coin is on Kristyn!

That is similar to my tune up for elk season. I fill up a bunch of gallon milk jugs with water. Using the hardest recoiling rifle I own and wearing a t-shirt with no shooting pad, I shoot 2 jugs at 50 yards standing offhand rapid fire.

If I hit both, I move on to 75 yards 2 shots offhand standing.

If both are hits, next is 2 shots at 125 yards sitting or kneeling, sling only - no sticks.

If I hit both, next is 175 yards supported, sitting, or using the stick and sling.

If I have hit all the shots, I'll shoot a few at 200-225 yards sitting, supported, or with my monopod stick.

Any misses in the series, go back and shoot the previous set again, and repeat.

The thought of having to repeat sets and turning my shoulder into cubed steak improves my concentration! If you can shoot 'Minute of Milk Jug' at practical hunting ranges, you are ready for the hunt!

I will take the test and report as soon as I get my F&S in the mail.

WMH

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from PawPaw wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

It looks like a good course of fire for novice/recreational shooters. I'd like to see it in writing. As I was taking notes, I came up with 125 possible points? What did I miss?

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from spuddog wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

I am humbled and driven to practice more as I can see that I would be lacking, but I still have 2 problems 1) a place where I can shoot like this 2) the $$$ to afford the ammo.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

David
I’m not David Letterman so you’ll have to find another person to observe this phenomenon. As a shooter shoots in prone position you can actually see a shockwave travel down there body to their feet and back up.
Also you can stand or sit behind a shooter with a “SPOTTING” scope or binoculars and watch the wake of the bullet travel down range starting at 300 yards. On the 1000 yard line early in the morning if you get the sunlight just right at your back standing on the opposite end of the firing line you can actually see the wake of the bullet about the 500-400 yard line and about 20 or so yards in front of the wake you will see the bullet reflecting the sun light screaming down range. The Whittington Center 1000 yard line is one of the best places to observe this.

Gotta run going to Branson and I hope I got this right!

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from EricAichele wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

The true question is where do we all sign up for shooting lessons? Great job Kristyn!

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from 2Poppa wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Great video Dave.

Kristyn was definitely burnin' some powder,and certainly is an excellent example of the next generation of the up and coming shooters!
I especially enjoyed seein' how she was trying to shoot her "bonus shot" @ 150-yards,but couldn't get it off in time.

You exhibited the trait of a safety conscience instructor, as you told her to "open the bolt."

By the way, her set-up appears much like mine.
What caliber and type of gun,scope was she shootin'?

It appeared to thump her good at each report,but her form held steady.

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from Del in KS wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

Dave am I right in thinking that is a TC Icon Kristyn is shooting? My guess is it's a 243 or 308. Am I right Dave?The young lady is a very good shot. As for yours truly. We have a 12 inch round gong on the 200 yd berm at Mill Creek rifle club. I usually bang away at that from different positions to tune up for fall. Four out of five from off hand is about as good as I can do most days. Much depends on which gun I'm shooting. A slightly barrel heavy gun seems to help.

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from Del in KS wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

OK Dave I'm back from the range. I shot a perfect score and Clay Cooper didn't even hit paper once. heh,heh. Guess you'll have to send Carrie over. Make sure you give her good directions!

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from blueridge wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

Hey, Dave...

I like practical tests like these.

Well done.

Blue

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from Carney wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

I am stunned and amazed that with 23 responses there were only 3 that referenced the need / desire to have Ms.Prejean come with her "beat up boots" on. I really do think that a good Christian Lady scares the crap out of you guys!

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from jcarlin wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Considering the penalty for lying put forth above: I, jcarlin, the King of Spain shot this test 5 consecutive times with all shots being within a half minute of angle of the target.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

2Poppa

You said
You exhibited the trait of a safety conscience instructor, as you told her to "open the bolt."

You caught that to and a +1 for you Sir!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

Darn spell check, I meant "shot very well"

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from ranger2 wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

Even if this was not a great way to practice, it looks like a lot of fun, and a good way to a charged up afternoon of making bets with your buddies. By the way, I hope to see the young lady shoot this test again after six months of practice and coaching... what say Dave? Another video in six months?

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from Del in KS wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

Looked again and I'm gonna say TC Venture in 270 Win. Dave what scope is that? I see it has the rubber ring for eye protection, Zeiss or TC maybe?

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from rabbitpolice88 wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

I am going to have to try that one after haying season is over! That looks like an awesome challenge.

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from platte river rat wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

w0000000000w Dave your videos are getting better all the time. I admire you for using such a pleasant young lady for a shooting partner. Maybe this will get other ladies of all ages interested in our wonderful sport of shooting and hunting. The women in my family are all hunters and even like to help in the reloading part of it. Guess I'm lucky to have my ladies for wonderful hunting and shooting partners. Keep up the good work Dave.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

Ahem as I was saying... plus you talk slow enough to be understood below the Mason/Dixon line.

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from davidpetzal wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

To All, Generally: Thank you for your kind comments. Many years ago, a member of the press asked Britain's Prince Philip why he spoke so slowly. "Because everything I say is so f**king important, I want you to get every word," saith the the Prince.

The rifle is indeed a T/C Venture in .30/06, and I understand that the stock we had is going to be replaced. It shoots like a sumbitch. You can't believe the groups you see. The scope is a Nikon.

Clay Cooper makes a very good point about bullet impact and body attitude. If you're lying the wrong way, the shots will not go where you want them to. However, in this case, I'm convinced that what pulled those shots to the right was the wind. I've shot from that spot many times, prone, from a benchrest, and over a car hood, and no matter what you do, you always have to cope with that left-to-right breeze (or gale). Kristyn had never shot from 300 yards before, and she had her hands full without watching what the wind was doing.

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from sskbkrdg wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

I had a course with similar shooting distances when I was a young fella. It was a 400 acre farm and my "course" was called groundhog hunting. Not only did I usually shoot offhand as I stalked around the farm, I learned to estimate distances pretty well too. 5 seconds was about right, If that 'ol whistle-pig saw me.I started out with a 22 and once I cleaned out the careless ones, I moved up to my '06.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

I remember a story about General George Washington. One evening he interred the Officers Tent for dinner to dine with his Officers. As he sat down, numerous of the Officers were using offensive language. General Washington stood up then said “excuse me, I was under the understanding I was amongst Gentlemen” then turned and exited the tent.

Think about it!

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from jbird wrote 19 weeks 6 days ago

I think she shot great for a new shooter. Seems like a pretty good test for a beginner to intermediate shooter. That's alot of shooting for a small woman w/ an .06. Great vid as always Dave.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Give me an hour or two and I can have Kristin shooting like a pro!

One round in one minute?

She would be shooting 10 rounds!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Laying all jokes aside

As for her shooting prone and shooting to the right, it wasn’t wind. What happened is, using the bipod she had to use her upper body to change the point of aim to the left causing her to shoot right this is one of the major causes of misses! Whatever the direction you must move from the natural point of aim, you’ll shoot back towards the natural point of aim.

Watching Kristen shoot with just a little coaching and some changes she will be out shooting her Dad and the rest of us!

Back in 85, I remember the Colonels daughter Mrs. Sandra Warmon wanted to shoot high power. NO WAY! I had better plans for this young teenager so I immediately contacted my friend and hunting partner MSgt Mike Woodruff NRA Shooting Coach and Team Captain for the Air Force Small Bore Team. He also ran a small bore junior shooting program downtown Alamogordo NM. Within a month, Mike and I realized we had a real shooter on our hands. Mike contacted one of the NRA Olympic Coaches in Albuquerque. All this started around April or May of 85 and in June of 86 Sandra was at the Whittington Center in Raton New Mexico for the Olympic tryouts! Later on at the at the1995 NRA convention in Phoenix Arizona, I ran into a friend while stationed at Eielson AFB Alaska 86-90, Mr. Randy Pitney was director of athletics and recreation at the University of Alaska Fairbanks. I found out thru him Sandra became a mega hit with the NRA shooting community and wanted Sandra so bad that the University was offering a free scholarship and wanted to know if I could twist her arm. I haven’t had any contact with Sandra since May of 86.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

O'A minus-1 there must be an antishooter amongst us!

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from Moishe wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

Good video Dave, go a head ans send Carrie to my place.

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from Carney wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

PS = I sent the last post before I watched the video. Now that I've seen the vid, I must say once again that, "Dave, this is your niche." And I know the producers are having a blast setting you up for outtakes!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

As great a writer as Dave is, his videos are better... they convey his authority and project the same sarcastic intellect and sharp wit that inspire a laugh and a smile and respect and admiration all at the same time.

Learn to cook Dave and you and Martha Stewart could be in the same income bracket! The more I see, the more I like... plus you talk slow enough

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

Great video Dave. - I especially enjoyed the out-takes. Thanks for including them.

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from ishawooa wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

Good video. If it ever stops raining in Wyoming I will give the challenge a try. Like I have said before if you can locate a young lady who is interested in shooting she will often fair better and learn quicker than a young man of identical age. I have no real basis for this statement other than years of observation. The same holds true for learning to ride and/or show horses. Frankly I would like to have heard Kristyn's personal impressions verbalized by her as often it is beneficial to know what the shooter thinks. Of course Dave was privy to her statements. Another gadget that sometimes assists in windy or gusting wind situations is a Kestrel or a Caldwell wind meter. Yeah I know it only tells you the velocity when it is located and not 300 or 500 yards away but still it is better than guessing. I have targets shot by several people which demonstrate the variances obtained with and without use of the instrument. Groups are almost always better when the wind movement is closely monitored. The wind normally blows here especially when we shoot. Dave does perform exceptionally well on these videos and I believe there is no script which makes it even more realistic. From the first video onward I have enjoyed not only the slowness of his speech but also his enunciation and certainly the humorous quips. Keep them coming, then combine all on a disc to be sold on the internet. A couple acquaintances nearby did this concerning long range shooting yielding one of them almost a quarter milliion dollar in two years. I don't know what the other guy collected.

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from Shaky wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

Fantastic job, Dave and Kristin. One question, Dave, I really liked that quickstep, you performed. Maybe you could also include instructions for performing that on your cd.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

davidpetzal

Kristyn had never shot from 300 yards before?

Did an excellent job in doing so!

I went back to take another look at her prone position and using that tarp instead of a shooting mat must have been hell on the elbows and every other place you have a rock sting up!

Next time she is shooting at 300, sit behind her with your spotting scope and observe the bullet going down range.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=shooting+prone+&docid=710654230546&m...

Ralph the Rifleman
As far as using a bi-pod and you know how to use it, I say go for it! I find using one is a pain in the butt and that’s why I use a military 1 ¼ in sling which I find to work best especially for those 700 yard shots.

http://www.geekoffice.com/option,com_seyret/task,videodirectlink/Itemid,...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

Blocked Rifle Barrel Explodes

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from Zermoid wrote 20 weeks 2 days ago

Hey Dave, as one grizzled old cus to another, how do you score the cute girls to "work" with?
I only seem to get asked to help, let's say, less than appealing folks, and most are male too boot.

I got no luck I guess......

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 20 weeks 2 days ago

Sounds like a fun way to show how accurate people really are... all real life situations. Make sure to get the ammo though which may be a little harder to fine or might put a delay on this accuracy test.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 2 days ago

Ralph the Rifleman
I agree with you there is no shame is using a bi-pod; if it ensures a better kill-use it. However, I’ve witnessed to many misses where the shooter did use a bipod all because he didn’t know his basic shooting skills.

Let’s lay all jokes aside and get down to basics. The reason Kristyn had problems is easily seen. The bipod was too high and had to lift her upper body into the rifle unable to rest the butt of the rifle for a dead solid aim.

Here’s a link on a video I find very instructional.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=shooting+prone+&docid=710654230546&m...

Bottom line,

You must have your shooting basics down to a science or better yet second nature before modifying the way you shoot.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

Not to be construed as a dirty old man comment (which I am), but she has two impediments that require her to shoot from a "shoulders high" position that preclude a lower shoulder position, if you catch my drift....

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from Gunslinger wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

Very good::::: Will agree, girls are easier to teach than guys, they listen, guys know it all when it comes to hunting. I bet she's using a Nikon scope with the eye focus piece at the eye to prevent the ring around. I also use a Bi-pod as with 2 hips replaced,cannot shoot prone or off l dropped knee. All I see missing is the bolt appears to be kinda hard to eject the shell.Hopefully she can learn to reload with-out taking the gun down from shooting position. That was hard for me after I switched from the 742 to a 700. A dab of Graphite would help that or either the new Marlin XL7 with the fluted bolt. I have a 350 yds range, will give my 700 in 25-06 mounted with a Nimon Monarch and Leupold DDT tail mounts a try out and see how I can do.I do not plan a 500 yd shot,but if the last hour of my hunt and its do or die, I may give it a try. Never shot over 400 yds before, but have killed many animals at the 3-350 range. I do prefer about 200 or less such as we have here at home. But out in the bonnies, a 500 yd shot is a likely. Plus What ammo did this young girl use? Factory or hand loads? She could go hunting with me anytime. I do like to be in camp a couple days extra and use the range some and watch the guys I will hunt wih on how they handle a firearm and shoot. Many times I have decided to hunt on my on after seeing whom I was paired with. I want that muzzle pointed away from me and prefer the other guy to be in front of me, regrdless who gets the first shot.And the first guy I see prop his gun up beside a vehicle, I'm going back to camp. Lay that sucker on the ground with bolt open.Recall the woman who killed her Son while she unloaded her gun a few yrs back? I have one of those 700's in 25-06. Remington never stated how they settled that claim. But, not the guns fault, as a 2 position safety is safe ,if used proper, a zillion out there. Many older hunters need to take the safety course. Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

Gentlemen
I truly believe that’s Mr. Petzal Daughter you’re talking about!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

If you took my comment regarding shoulder position as an ungentlemanly remark, then you sir have a dirty mind.

It matters not if she is Petzal's daughter. She is someone's daughter and presumed to be a lady until otherwise demonstrated.

I humble apologize if I have offended Ms Kristyn or anyone else. It was certainly not intended to be offensive or crude.

WMH

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from hjohn429 wrote 20 weeks 23 hours ago

Dang, that girl can out-shoot me! It look like I really need to start practicing a whole lot more.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 22 hours ago

You better watch it hjohn429, the next time we see her maybe at the Whittington Center for the Olympic tryouts!

Don’t laugh, it happened to me back in 86!

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from 60256 wrote 20 weeks 18 hours ago

Dave: Great video! I will be getting to the range as soon as I can.
Another way to look at the quick round shots at the beginning would be to practice shooting and getting ready right away for ducks or pheasants.

Nate

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from Clay Cooper wrote 19 weeks 5 days ago

jbird

Good point and a +1 for you!

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from Vagabond wrote 19 weeks 4 days ago

No substitute for burning powder is there?

Great shooting. Tough young lady as well as talented.

I end up using something like this within the limits of the facilities we have here - 25, 50, 100 yds - offhand at each distance, some supported as well. I get a reminder of what the impact is at each distance as well as some practice in the fundamentals.

When I can get to the only 300 yd range within 150 miles, on the weekends it IS available, ONLY one distance is available (300 or 200 depending on the calendar).

South Florida is not exactly a shooters paradise for facilities...

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 19 weeks 4 days ago

But South Florida is a 'target rich environment' LOL

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from Bill Fischer wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

This is GOOD pratice. When shooting Big Bore we generally start with the First shots on "STICKS" then the next 2 off hand. But 5 sec is way to long for follow up shots at 25 yards. Very Good video, well explained. Mainly people need to shoot more and get "OFF THE BENCH".

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from deadeye11 wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

This looks like a great course. I havent shot it yet but i plan on doing so. Being an avid deer hunter myself, i know what it is like to take a quick offhand shot. That was a great video and even better shooting.

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from Slim Pickens wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Great video. Way to go Kristyn!!! Hope my sons meet a young lady like you.

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from cdwdogg wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

I just have one question. I am going to buy a T/C rifle for the fall. It will either be an icon or the Venture. Here is my question. Is the bolt on the Venture jewled like the one on the Icon. What i mean by jewled is it polished and with swirl marks. I am going to have to order the gun as no dealers have it around here. So I would like to know this before I do so. Thanks

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from klug3 wrote 17 weeks 2 days ago

Nice vid.

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from rudyglove27 wrote 14 weeks 3 days ago

Great video Dave!!!!Excellent shooting for you Kristyn!!! You did outstanding for beginners......

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from Clay Cooper wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

No B.S. Accuracy Challenge?

O”BROTHER!

I don’t call that a challenge at all!

First of all, need to toss that piece of crap bipod in the trash!

Dave when you want to get into real shooting let me know

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