i have enough to think about when hunting. this would just be more confusion.

My muzzleloader scope is 1.5x- 4.5x. With those magnifications, I really don't need to fool around with two sights.

I'm not big on the idea, extra equipment hanging off the rifle and a new hold to train into instinct make me leery of it. At close quarters you're going to be moving quick and it'd be easy to get cocka-mamied (technical term) up.

Like others have mentioned, I solved this with a lower range variable scope. I really like the Weaver 1-3x20mm for my lever guns and the 2x7x32mm on my bolts. Simple is often the best.

How about adding another, mid-range, sight to the other side of the rifle making three options? Or maybe an LCD screen with zoom? That would make the retailers even happier.

Well, after all, the column is labeled "Gun Nut"....

I think I'll just continue to keep mine at 3X... if the animal is far enough away to warrant using 9X you should have time to change the setting anyways. Of course I never shoot at long distances so I really don't know. I just don't understand why I can buy a variable 3-9 power scope cheaper than a fixed one. If I had my way most of my scopes would be 4 power fixed.

Oh and by the way the hundred acre corn field that was in my back yard is being sub-divided so I can no longer shoot on my property, but on the plus side there were three does in my front yard this morning and I only have an acre and a third. It was strange. I kept wondering what was knocking my bird feeders down, I've decimated the local squirrel population so I knew it wasn't them.

Just make sure to keep that but firmly in the shoulder before touching off a slug after rolling the firearm slightly.

I LOVE IT!!! Now, which rifle do I try it on first? Might look a little odd on a bolt action though.

Agree with WAM,.. shooting no sights,. pretty easy out to 50 yds and more.
Beginning to think fiber optic bow type sight might be a good applicatiom

two pins no magnification at all.
10 yds and 50 yds anything beyond 50 You shoot right smack at em (point blank ) out to 200 assuming round is 30-06 or similar .

That seems a bit much for an old timer like me. I doubt that I would ever use such an arrangement. My preference is powder burns on the hide so I really don't need a long range sight.

... old betty lou, she was the one. a combination ak-57, oozie, radar, laser, triple barrel, double scoped heat seeking shotgun

I noticed your Two-Sight Solution when you were building it, great idea!

I'm with jjas on this. Keep it simple. I don't see any use for this in the deer woods. I am, however, seriously contemplating using the AR15 this year. That would be a first for me, or anyone that I hunt with. Kevin

I think in the graduate paper of Maj. Eckart about taking back the half-kilometer for soldiers, this is one of the recommended solutions to the optics situation. Some people think the ACOG, while an excellent battle sight from 300 meters on, is not fast enough for CQB. (I personally will not question them for thinking so, after all, I don't engage in firefights with terrorists.) The Aimpoint and EOTech OTOH aren't magnified. The solution is ACOG on top and an Aimpoint T1 Micro slightly offset. Both sights are available and unobstructed, no need to swing a magnifier inline (as is the case with the Aimpoint and EOTech magnifier setups). The T1 Micro because it is small+light and has, like the CompM2/M3/M4, "insane" battery life.

I could see this on a tactical weapon - someone shoots back; I could see this on a match gun - that's shooting for fun; I could see this on a hog gun - you're dealing with vermin. I cannot see it on a deer gun. If the deer comes that close and you're not prepared, don't shoot.
I did note that the left-handed shooter cants to the same side as those of us who live right.
With the new cell phones, you could mount one on the other side and watch GunNuts while hunting!

Focusfront -- if you keep your head still and roll the rifle to your face, the sight winds up more or less directly above the bore. It's no problem to shoot bowling pins at 15-20 yards with the rifle set up this way. I'll have to see where it shoots at 100. I did have to cant the whole thing on the bench to sight it in.

I should have added to my post above that learning to use one sight or the other on an AR is no more difficult than learning to use double triggers on a shotgun.

Dr. Ralph,
You are right about fixed scopes. I went to the local sporting goods store which offers over 50 styles of scopes but not one fixed power in the bunch. I settled for a couple VX Leupold 3x9's.

I saw the 45 degree mount in action the other night on a shooting show. (forget the name) It was very effective at the range.

And we all thought Phil was just another "Scatter Nut"!

To much already!

I suppose in a competition that might be something to consider, but here in Afghanistan, I see weapons with more stuff hung on them than I even knew was made. The Marines know their business and have little if anything on their rifles. That's enough for me!

Best regards,
Albert A Rasch
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I like FirstBubba's answer. This is a bridge too far!

Does anyone realy need anything other than a 2X-7X for big game other than people who can shoot really far? 2X is good enough for my slug gun. I think if I were to try to do better I would switch from my 2X simmons prodiamond to a Leupold 1-4X shotgun scope and keep it down on 1 or 2X until I actually see something farther than 50 yards away. I use a smoothbore and Foster slugs so I dare not shoot past 75 yards but even if I had a cantilever mount rifled barrel I would not likely need to shoot past 100 yards because the cover is too thick. Unless my stand is on the edge of the field in which case I might at 25 yards (or fifty if I could get good enough groups in practice). 4X is more than enough out to 150 yards. In the army I could hit the 300 meter target with peep sights so I think 150 yards with a 4X scope is a totally reasonable limit.

Personally, I don't have all the time in the world on the range as it is. I already spend quite a bit of time between getting practice with my hunting revolver, my 06, sighted in, my shotgun patterned, and my muzzleloader. Plus, I have a squirrel gun and a scope for my muzzleloader just for when Wisconsin finally allows optics for the special season. Every one of these sight systems is another thing that could get bumped or go screwy at a critical time during a hunt. My point is that two sight systems on a rifle means twice as much practice, twice as much ammo spent keeping your gun shooting right and twice the chance that something is going to get bumped while crawling around in the brush like Rambo. If you have one really good scope that is dead on at 50 or 100 yards you are confident with it. Keep it on low power and you are sure that you will have a target acquisition. If a deer or other animal steps out at 200 yards you will likely have a few seconds to crank up the power if needed. It is easy when carrying a rifle to protect the scope while shuffling along, and if you bump it a little you are probably going to wonder about it. Now, with this other site sticking out to the side you have more to worry about and more to second guess. Muscle memory comes into play with quick shots and you have to think about which sight to go to if, say, you need to take a snap shot in a grey area like 25 yards or 35 yards. In a life or death situation I would want one repeated motion, smooth and consistent. Hunting is often not a life and death situation but I think that what plays true in a combat situation would be a good model for proving method for hunting situations as well. Get a scope that goes down to 2 or 3 power. Practice the heck out of it. Leave it at low power when walking in the woods and you will be confident, quick, and accurate when you need it.

Old Phil was just "joshin" you'll, wasn't you.
Either way, you got the juices flowing.

I for one believe in KISS.