


August 25, 2009
Idaho Wolf Hunt Update: License Sales Brisk; Opponents Get Hearing
By Dave Hurteau
From the Seattle Times:
It was the first day Idaho wolf tags went on sale for a hunt slated to start next Tuesday. By mid-afternoon, the state was reporting about 4,000 tags sold, as hunters motivated by curiosity, novelty - and in some cases frustration with predators' impact on wildlife and livestock - shelled out $11.50 for a wolf tag. . . .
It's still uncertain if hunts will even proceed.
Thirteen environmental groups that have sued to overturn the federal delisting will get a hearing next Monday - one day before Idaho's hunt would begin - where U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy in Missoula will hear their arguments on why a wolf hunt should be halted.
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haha
If these thirteen environmental groups actually put a stop to this , they will be dealing with over 4,000 mad Idahoans. The state of Idaho set a limit of 220 for wolf hunt.What the environmental groups are saying is "If hunters harvest that many, the state’s population of wolves could drop almost 25%", which is true, BUT what they forget to mention is that the pups of the next year will replace about every single wolf shot in the '09 season.
Hopefully the Judge will exercise some common sense and tall those PUTZ's to "FOAD"
tell*
can someone explain to me how this works?
how can they say the target is 220 and then issue 4000 tags? they aren't honestly expecting a success rate of 5.5% when so many people are licking their chops to kill themselves one of those evil wolves?
is there some system in place where people have to wait for their tag to be authorized? (in which case MANY people will never actually get a chance to hunt)
dear God, please don't tell me that they just plan on politely asking people to only kill 220? especially when they issued 4000 tags!
They probably do just that. Issue 4000 tags figuring a success rate of 5% or thereabouts.
Wonder what a properly prepared wolf pelt will sell for?
Mike,
With all the ranting you've seen over this topic, do you really think that a 5% success rate is realistic?
I mean heck, all it would take is about a 25% success rate to "accidentally" exterminate the state's wolf population.
(I use the word "about" because I know that all the population estimates are highly contested)
...I'm sure it would just be an honest mistake, an accident really
The season is a quota season. Different units have different harvest goals. All wolves have to be checked immediately after tagging, and once the quota for the unit is met the season is ended, much the same as several other fish and game seasons in our state. Trust me, our fish and game has people that know wildlife management and will do their job for the the benefit of the game they are responsible for. Giving the game biologist control over the wolf is what everyone wants, and getting politicians, lawyers, and judges who know nothing of ecosystem management out of the freaking way. The wolf will be better off when they are managed as a game species with a set season....how many wolfs do you think are being shot on sight currently because of peoples frustration with a lack of control, and a lets tie it up and court and do nothing plan we are living under currently.....damn right we are mad, not at the wolves, but at the broken system that is exploited by special interest groups at the expense of the average Idahoan on a daily basis, and not just with the wolves...4000 tags by early afternoon, thats almost 50,000 for wolf management from hunters pockets, did all the bunny huggers donate 11.50 each for wolf management?????????
thanks for the clarification idahooutdoors, that makes me feel much better.
ken.mcloud,
I am not too sure how familiar you are with Idaho's terrain and such, but I think that a 5.5% success rate would be optimistic at best, even if you had a month and 10,000 tags. They are really elusive and difficult to locate, and as Idoutdoors mentioned, there are quota seasons in place already for lynx, bobcat in some areas, I think and some others... it is a good plan, and realistic- I doubt the 220 will be taken very quickly. Hopefully Malloy tells the bunny huggers to piss up a rope, but his track record is not that good, he ruled against it last time, if I remember correctly. Sheesh!
ranger2,
I think you misunderstood my point, with a quota system in place the success rate and number of tags issued is irrelevant.
Its just that the article didn't say anything about a quota system.
Idahooutdoors filled me in, and I thanked him.
Just another stupid anti-hunting tactic they're waiting to hold the hearing until the day before the season opens so that the judge will be compelled to halt hunts so that a thorough hearing can be held. I already bought my wolf tag and i intend to use it whether they close the season or not.
This Judge Malloy is bad news for every outdoors lover. He was the Judge who stopped the hunts last year over some stupid excuse. He already has his mind made up, he is a hand picked judge by the fruity tree huggers. I will tell you this, if the hunt is stopped there will be more than 220 wolves shot this winter. I live in Idaho and people are at the end of negotiation with PETA. I think that hunters have been more than patient with people out of the mountain west trying to make decisions for us.
elkslayer and babsfish4life are not alone, I have been in my discussions trying to get the point across to the Pro-wolf groups that giving management of the wolfs over to the game agencies is in the best interest of the wolf, it gives them a value as a game animal, and assures local residents that the wolf #'s will be managed like every other animal for the good of the complete eco-system.....the truth is that more wolfs will be shot on sight year round without a season in place, since as babsfish4life said people in the western states are at the end of their rope waiting on years of court room circus acts while the wolf population runs amok without any form of management(other than after the damage is done, problem wolf killings). Many in this country are fed up as a whole, and to people in our area this is one issue staring us in the face everyday, and the wolf just being a wolf shouldn't suffer the wrath of Political correctness gone insane.
Yeah, I just Google'd Judge Molloy, and even though he's a Montana native born in '46 who should have his head screwed on correctly, he was the judge that stopped wolf hunts last year.
He's a Clinton nominee, and the PETA types have hand-picked him as the judge to hear their case.
But this is Idaho we're talking about, so how does a District of Montana judge get to see the case? Or did I miss that the District of Montana includes Idaho?
Anyway, since I paid for it, and it was legal when I did, I would use the tag regardless of whether the hunt was legally on or not.
Maybe instead of hunting wolves, we should open a season on the members of PETA, ELF, Green-peace, et. al. and solve the problem that way. Ironically, we might be able to do the most good that way...
At the very least, we could trap and tranq a bunch of wolves and haul them into a known PETA or ELF stronghold-city like New York, Chicago, LA or Seattle and release them into THEIR backyards to see if they really like them or not. Maybe THEN they'd think twice about mandating that we like them in OUR backyards.
MR DIEHL, ABOUT 175.00 TO 300.00 FOR A GOOD TANNED PELT.
what heroes you all are . Killing these animals with high powered rifles . Why not go out in the woods and hunt each other that would make it more exciting . I wonder what do "human tags " cost at the sporting good store .
Moronspotter:
How about having you go out in the woods in Idaho and just talk with the wolves and reason together? You won't because your butt is not in danger. Foolish children.
Lets just hope that it passes through and that none of the environmental groups cause any problems.
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haha
If these thirteen environmental groups actually put a stop to this , they will be dealing with over 4,000 mad Idahoans. The state of Idaho set a limit of 220 for wolf hunt.What the environmental groups are saying is "If hunters harvest that many, the state’s population of wolves could drop almost 25%", which is true, BUT what they forget to mention is that the pups of the next year will replace about every single wolf shot in the '09 season.
The season is a quota season. Different units have different harvest goals. All wolves have to be checked immediately after tagging, and once the quota for the unit is met the season is ended, much the same as several other fish and game seasons in our state. Trust me, our fish and game has people that know wildlife management and will do their job for the the benefit of the game they are responsible for. Giving the game biologist control over the wolf is what everyone wants, and getting politicians, lawyers, and judges who know nothing of ecosystem management out of the freaking way. The wolf will be better off when they are managed as a game species with a set season....how many wolfs do you think are being shot on sight currently because of peoples frustration with a lack of control, and a lets tie it up and court and do nothing plan we are living under currently.....damn right we are mad, not at the wolves, but at the broken system that is exploited by special interest groups at the expense of the average Idahoan on a daily basis, and not just with the wolves...4000 tags by early afternoon, thats almost 50,000 for wolf management from hunters pockets, did all the bunny huggers donate 11.50 each for wolf management?????????
This Judge Malloy is bad news for every outdoors lover. He was the Judge who stopped the hunts last year over some stupid excuse. He already has his mind made up, he is a hand picked judge by the fruity tree huggers. I will tell you this, if the hunt is stopped there will be more than 220 wolves shot this winter. I live in Idaho and people are at the end of negotiation with PETA. I think that hunters have been more than patient with people out of the mountain west trying to make decisions for us.
thanks for the clarification idahooutdoors, that makes me feel much better.
ken.mcloud,
I am not too sure how familiar you are with Idaho's terrain and such, but I think that a 5.5% success rate would be optimistic at best, even if you had a month and 10,000 tags. They are really elusive and difficult to locate, and as Idoutdoors mentioned, there are quota seasons in place already for lynx, bobcat in some areas, I think and some others... it is a good plan, and realistic- I doubt the 220 will be taken very quickly. Hopefully Malloy tells the bunny huggers to piss up a rope, but his track record is not that good, he ruled against it last time, if I remember correctly. Sheesh!
Just another stupid anti-hunting tactic they're waiting to hold the hearing until the day before the season opens so that the judge will be compelled to halt hunts so that a thorough hearing can be held. I already bought my wolf tag and i intend to use it whether they close the season or not.
Moronspotter:
How about having you go out in the woods in Idaho and just talk with the wolves and reason together? You won't because your butt is not in danger. Foolish children.
Hopefully the Judge will exercise some common sense and tall those PUTZ's to "FOAD"
tell*
can someone explain to me how this works?
how can they say the target is 220 and then issue 4000 tags? they aren't honestly expecting a success rate of 5.5% when so many people are licking their chops to kill themselves one of those evil wolves?
is there some system in place where people have to wait for their tag to be authorized? (in which case MANY people will never actually get a chance to hunt)
dear God, please don't tell me that they just plan on politely asking people to only kill 220? especially when they issued 4000 tags!
They probably do just that. Issue 4000 tags figuring a success rate of 5% or thereabouts.
Wonder what a properly prepared wolf pelt will sell for?
Mike,
With all the ranting you've seen over this topic, do you really think that a 5% success rate is realistic?
I mean heck, all it would take is about a 25% success rate to "accidentally" exterminate the state's wolf population.
(I use the word "about" because I know that all the population estimates are highly contested)
...I'm sure it would just be an honest mistake, an accident really
ranger2,
I think you misunderstood my point, with a quota system in place the success rate and number of tags issued is irrelevant.
Its just that the article didn't say anything about a quota system.
Idahooutdoors filled me in, and I thanked him.
elkslayer and babsfish4life are not alone, I have been in my discussions trying to get the point across to the Pro-wolf groups that giving management of the wolfs over to the game agencies is in the best interest of the wolf, it gives them a value as a game animal, and assures local residents that the wolf #'s will be managed like every other animal for the good of the complete eco-system.....the truth is that more wolfs will be shot on sight year round without a season in place, since as babsfish4life said people in the western states are at the end of their rope waiting on years of court room circus acts while the wolf population runs amok without any form of management(other than after the damage is done, problem wolf killings). Many in this country are fed up as a whole, and to people in our area this is one issue staring us in the face everyday, and the wolf just being a wolf shouldn't suffer the wrath of Political correctness gone insane.
Yeah, I just Google'd Judge Molloy, and even though he's a Montana native born in '46 who should have his head screwed on correctly, he was the judge that stopped wolf hunts last year.
He's a Clinton nominee, and the PETA types have hand-picked him as the judge to hear their case.
But this is Idaho we're talking about, so how does a District of Montana judge get to see the case? Or did I miss that the District of Montana includes Idaho?
Anyway, since I paid for it, and it was legal when I did, I would use the tag regardless of whether the hunt was legally on or not.
Maybe instead of hunting wolves, we should open a season on the members of PETA, ELF, Green-peace, et. al. and solve the problem that way. Ironically, we might be able to do the most good that way...
At the very least, we could trap and tranq a bunch of wolves and haul them into a known PETA or ELF stronghold-city like New York, Chicago, LA or Seattle and release them into THEIR backyards to see if they really like them or not. Maybe THEN they'd think twice about mandating that we like them in OUR backyards.
MR DIEHL, ABOUT 175.00 TO 300.00 FOR A GOOD TANNED PELT.
Lets just hope that it passes through and that none of the environmental groups cause any problems.
what heroes you all are . Killing these animals with high powered rifles . Why not go out in the woods and hunt each other that would make it more exciting . I wonder what do "human tags " cost at the sporting good store .
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