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March 31, 2009

BuckTracker: Do Feeders Grow Big Racks?

By Scott Bestul

Dustin Dornbusch, a South Dakotan who obviously tuned into the baiting issue, wrote this week to ask if baiting results in more trophy-sized bucks. Baiting is illegal in South Dakota, and Dustin noted that while some big whitetails are shot in his state every fall, other places—including some bait-legal states—shot more. Was baiting the difference?

I’m assuming Dustin was inferring that the bait-legal states were giving bucks a nutrition bump that results in larger antlers. I don’t buy this argument. Baiting is usually a short-term practice designed solely to give hunters a (presumably) better chance to shoot deer. But as soon as hunting season ends, bait disappears, forcing whitetails to eat whatever food is available to them. I can see no long-term benefits in baiting that would result in bigger antlers.

Supplemental feeding—where deer are supplied with protein-rich pellets, cereal grains, etc. throughout the winter—is another matter. Bucks that aren’t stressed for feed in the long weeks between post-rut and spring green-up should go into the antler growing season in better shape and therefore grow a nicer rack. However, the cost of supplemental feeding prevents it from being practiced by a significant number of private landowners in most areas. And I know of no state agency that has spare money—or interest—in the practice.

There are many factors that help some states produce more record book bucks than others. I don’t know all the particulars of the South Dakota whitetail population, but my understanding is that the rifle season is held during the peak of the rut. This factor would, in my opinion, have more impact on how many trophy bucks exist. Whitetails need age to grow big racks, and when states hold firearms seasons when bucks are most vulnerable, the majority get shot before their second birthday. I know this, because I live in such a state!

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from muskiemaster wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

wow that is a muskie and I've noticed that states with baiting bans that in winter months odds are deer are going to find a residential area and eat out of feeders.

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from kolbster wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

i also live on one of the states where, if a deer makes it 2 years, he is luckier than most. i agree i think it all has to do with the rut and rifle season.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Well, I think I can top all of you by saying that in Florida, you would be lucky to see a big buck at all. I have feeders all over the property where I hunt and our club keeps corn in them year-round but to tell the truh, it has not impact on antler growth. I still have yet to see a deer bigger than a 8-pointer on the property, which is about as big as they come in Florida. Also, with high huting pressure, a lot of the bucks become nocturnal. Also, a lot of people are trigger happy and shoot the buck they see, no matter what the age.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

I'll buy the arguement that having rifle season during the rut will affect the average age of the buck herd but as for feeders growing large bucks like the one in the picture. No way. That old boy in the photo is blessed with age and genetics.

With that said, with a very aggressive and expensive feeding program you might be able to grow a few more inches out of a big rack. Is it worth it.

I think mother nature has made the timing perfect for the nutritional balance of these animals. Spring buds grow when the does need nutrition for the unborn fawns and at the same time bucks get their nutrition for there racks. The animals eat well until fall when they get the extra boost of energy from acorns dropping, apple trees dropping, corn, soy bean and so on.

Last but not least. Have you ever noticed that the deer you shoot in early season (October in Ohio) are stuff with food?

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from buckhunter wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

One more thing. I think if you stick a deer in a pen where it only has a feeder to feed from you will get better results but outside in the real world where a deer may only see your feeder once or twice a day then the impact greatly lessons.

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from thuroy wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

This would be very similar to cattle. The better the food source the healthier and better they are. In both cases genetics are a key component, but without proper nutrition the animal is not going to meet their potential.

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Nice picture from a high fence facality. So why is Field and Stream so down on baiting and broadcast feeders but write so many stories and allow all the manufactures advertisements promoting food plots when 80% or more of the responses to the deer baiting debate agreed that both practices are done for the same reason??Is it all about controling the market by cutting the farmers out of the picture? This is what it looks like. You can't tell me that deer don't eat off the same square foot of ground in a plot like the do in a pile. Thats just song and dance.

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from vtbluegrass wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

A good reason to not feed deer during the winter is that we are not trying to increase the population in most areas. Hence, liberal hunting seasons in many parts of the country. I can't say I would enjoy hunting at places that breed deer like cattle and feed them with all kinda crap to make them bigger than they would be naturally. I ain't planting a food plot either, cost to much dang money. This was my first year in a bait legal area and I didn't think much of it. Whacking a deer on a corn pile doesn't do it for me as much as wondering if that deer in the distance is going to feed my way or not. Some say hunting a wheat field is the same as a food plot and I don't think so. Many farmers tend to see deer a bushels that won't make it to harvest and money out of their pockets. A food plot to me is just asinine, especially the specific deer mixes that cost a fortune.
Could be where I grew up hunting in the mountains but the challenge of a mature buck in big timber(no farms, food plots, or bait) is a more substantial achievement than the biggest "ranch" buck out there.

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from buck hunter 17 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

If you feed the deer food that helps with the antler growth it will create a biger size fack and it is ok to do in minnesota so we do but we dont hunt over it because that is illigal.

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from MNhunter23 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

well said vtbluegrass

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from shane wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Why do you have a picture of a moose?

Seriously though, look at that huge rack on that tiny little pathetic rat of a buck. That had to be taken in Texas. Texas bucks weigh about the same as the does I shoot. I hate little skinny baby bucks with huge racks. What the hell am I supposed to eat? Sure there's something Impressive hanging on the wall, but I'm also starving to death. And that doe looks near death too. Come to Ohio or Saskatchewan or the Adirondacks where they have real deer that aren't anorexic.

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from stickbow13 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

that is an awsome deer, i'm in a state that been on an off about baiting so i don't bait, hunting is in my blood and if i where to get a fine or worse lose my hunting privileges i would go nuts, so in my hunting area an my neighbors have all just band together and just put minerals out and i have noticed in my hunting area that the buck are gitting bigger, doe are giving birth to healther fawns, so the baiting isn't a big deal, but the deposit of minerals in my mind and my hunting area realy does make a differnes.

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from victorytw228 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Shane, its not our fault our deer are smaller in texas. But you just gave me a great idea, Im gonna start adding some weight gainer from one of those body buildng stores like GNC to our protein feeders! Everything is bigger in Texas we got the antlers and now were gonna have the body size!;) As for actually being small our deer dont compare in size to saskatchewan or ohio but i shot three this year and had to give meat away cause it wouldnt all fit in our freezer. But if you would actualy like to show me how big of deer you got up in ohio im free in nov! Also Buckhunter is very right about the genetics. I can guarantee you that the ole boy in the pic was not made by a spike!

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from steve182 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

I think that supplemental feeding certainly can increase average antler size, especially on these "ranches" that are basically deer farms. These high priced bio-engineered products are like steriods for deer. That along with the Trophy Hunting Only (QDM?)that takes place on said ranches leads to enormous bucks. I believe these fenced properties with tons of feeders are a joke, but to each, his own. I'll never pay to hunt one, i can guarrantee you. Victory, that's funny about the GNC stuff, but this stuff is equally as expensive. Those would be some expensive, labor intensive, hybrid, bio-engineered, quality deer managed bucks

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from teufelhunden wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

I believe that feeding increases the carrying capacity of a piece of property. With more deer you naturally have more mature bucks. Age and genetics are just as important as nutrition in growing trophy bucks.

For some one who writes with authority about feeding and baiting yoou sure dont seem to know very much Mr. Bestul. I do not know who is giving you your opinions but they seem to be equally clueless. I know very few people who feed deer only for hunting season everyone that I know feeds year round. The few that do feed only during hunting season do so mostly by accident (ie. lost lease). A quality feeding program takes into account the health and well-being of the entire herd not just some jack-legged scrub that would be dumb enough to show up under a feeder in the daylight.

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from bowhunter352 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Floridahunter has it about down to the needle... No big bucks here... lol, At least nothing higher then an 8. And yep, everyone shoots 'em no matter what, even does out of doe week, which usually results into button bucks. But... the nocturnal part I'm a little skeptic... Theyr might not be many deer and not that big of them, but as long as you put your time in... you can see deer.

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from Edstoresit wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

As usual Mr. Bestul, you fail to see/acknowledge the difference between "baiting" and supplemental feeding. The feeder in the pic is a High protein bulk feeder that is in place YEAR 'ROUND. Yes it is not cost effective for the average joe, and hence is not used widely. Food plots are also a form of supplemental feeding. It is a little more cost effective and greatly increases the tonnage per acre of food available to deer annually. Food plot management can be used to ensure deer have quality feed during the most stressfull preiods in their year to year lives.
Baiting is the practice of feeding deer to attract them for the purpose of hunting. This , in my opinion, is not necessarily the best way to harvest quality deer.
For those posters from Florida who are feeding corn year round with no "results": Corn is to whitetails what cocaine is to crack addicts. It has very little usable nutrional value. In other words, corn is made up of mostly complex carbohydrates that will produce energy, and it is very palatable, which is why deer come to it continually. Corn has almost no protein (> 6% in most varieties), which is the primary component in developing the maximum body mass prior to antler development in the spring. In other words, if a buck reaches his maxium BMI (Body mass index), prior to his pedicles developing antlers, then all available nutrition then goes into producing the best antlers that his age class allows him to. So corn as a nutrional supplement is not only wasted money from you, but it is also wasted on the deer except in harsh winter conditions where it may save their lives, but that is a whole other data set.
All this said, the number one thing that anyone can do to improve this size of their racks, is to to not shoot the young deer. Age = Rack size and development.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Scott,
I am not a biologist but I pay attention to what I see. And from the way I see it feeders have nothing to do with deer growing big racks in natural surroundings, nor do food plots. It's the soil. The soil from the land that the deer live on. Think about it. All these big monster buck racks are coming from states that hold a good population of pheasants. Pheasants need a certain mixture of minerals in the soil to thrive. I believe this to be true for deer as far as antler growth goes. JMO.

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from Edstoresit wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Jim in Mo.- Pheasants require the LACK of a mineral to thrive. Ky. does not hold a native population due to the high content of lime in the soil. The lime present does not allow the eggs of the female to harden and allow a developed chick to break out. The eggs here instead become leathery, like a turtle, and the chicks are unable to break through the membraneous shell.
That said, there are merits to the soil issue as you stated. The nutrients that the browse species get are obtained throught the soil. So of course deer recieve nutrients through the soils on which they live. However it is very cost effective and easy to maintain proper soil health and therefore is a moot point with regard to rack production. The most common undercurrent of these big bucks is the fact that they were ALLOWED to live to their prime and beyond, thus allowing for maxium growth potential.
As far as food plots not giving the nutrients, try this. On a 1/2 football field size food plot,( species is not important, but not on corn please) divide the field exactly in half. ON one half apply a fertilizer, such as miracle grow, do ot treat the other half. Place utilization cages on each half and see which side is eaten first. I promise you the treated side will ALWAYS be eaten first.

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from steve182 wrote 3 years 6 weeks ago

I agree with those who stated age is the biggest factor to growing big buck. Of course those with better nutrition may be more able to reach their potential. The mineral content of soil is surely a factor as well. We all know or have seen deer EAT soil when they need certain minerals.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

I'll buy the arguement that having rifle season during the rut will affect the average age of the buck herd but as for feeders growing large bucks like the one in the picture. No way. That old boy in the photo is blessed with age and genetics.

With that said, with a very aggressive and expensive feeding program you might be able to grow a few more inches out of a big rack. Is it worth it.

I think mother nature has made the timing perfect for the nutritional balance of these animals. Spring buds grow when the does need nutrition for the unborn fawns and at the same time bucks get their nutrition for there racks. The animals eat well until fall when they get the extra boost of energy from acorns dropping, apple trees dropping, corn, soy bean and so on.

Last but not least. Have you ever noticed that the deer you shoot in early season (October in Ohio) are stuff with food?

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Nice picture from a high fence facality. So why is Field and Stream so down on baiting and broadcast feeders but write so many stories and allow all the manufactures advertisements promoting food plots when 80% or more of the responses to the deer baiting debate agreed that both practices are done for the same reason??Is it all about controling the market by cutting the farmers out of the picture? This is what it looks like. You can't tell me that deer don't eat off the same square foot of ground in a plot like the do in a pile. Thats just song and dance.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Well, I think I can top all of you by saying that in Florida, you would be lucky to see a big buck at all. I have feeders all over the property where I hunt and our club keeps corn in them year-round but to tell the truh, it has not impact on antler growth. I still have yet to see a deer bigger than a 8-pointer on the property, which is about as big as they come in Florida. Also, with high huting pressure, a lot of the bucks become nocturnal. Also, a lot of people are trigger happy and shoot the buck they see, no matter what the age.

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from vtbluegrass wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

A good reason to not feed deer during the winter is that we are not trying to increase the population in most areas. Hence, liberal hunting seasons in many parts of the country. I can't say I would enjoy hunting at places that breed deer like cattle and feed them with all kinda crap to make them bigger than they would be naturally. I ain't planting a food plot either, cost to much dang money. This was my first year in a bait legal area and I didn't think much of it. Whacking a deer on a corn pile doesn't do it for me as much as wondering if that deer in the distance is going to feed my way or not. Some say hunting a wheat field is the same as a food plot and I don't think so. Many farmers tend to see deer a bushels that won't make it to harvest and money out of their pockets. A food plot to me is just asinine, especially the specific deer mixes that cost a fortune.
Could be where I grew up hunting in the mountains but the challenge of a mature buck in big timber(no farms, food plots, or bait) is a more substantial achievement than the biggest "ranch" buck out there.

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from victorytw228 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Shane, its not our fault our deer are smaller in texas. But you just gave me a great idea, Im gonna start adding some weight gainer from one of those body buildng stores like GNC to our protein feeders! Everything is bigger in Texas we got the antlers and now were gonna have the body size!;) As for actually being small our deer dont compare in size to saskatchewan or ohio but i shot three this year and had to give meat away cause it wouldnt all fit in our freezer. But if you would actualy like to show me how big of deer you got up in ohio im free in nov! Also Buckhunter is very right about the genetics. I can guarantee you that the ole boy in the pic was not made by a spike!

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Scott,
I am not a biologist but I pay attention to what I see. And from the way I see it feeders have nothing to do with deer growing big racks in natural surroundings, nor do food plots. It's the soil. The soil from the land that the deer live on. Think about it. All these big monster buck racks are coming from states that hold a good population of pheasants. Pheasants need a certain mixture of minerals in the soil to thrive. I believe this to be true for deer as far as antler growth goes. JMO.

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from Edstoresit wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Jim in Mo.- Pheasants require the LACK of a mineral to thrive. Ky. does not hold a native population due to the high content of lime in the soil. The lime present does not allow the eggs of the female to harden and allow a developed chick to break out. The eggs here instead become leathery, like a turtle, and the chicks are unable to break through the membraneous shell.
That said, there are merits to the soil issue as you stated. The nutrients that the browse species get are obtained throught the soil. So of course deer recieve nutrients through the soils on which they live. However it is very cost effective and easy to maintain proper soil health and therefore is a moot point with regard to rack production. The most common undercurrent of these big bucks is the fact that they were ALLOWED to live to their prime and beyond, thus allowing for maxium growth potential.
As far as food plots not giving the nutrients, try this. On a 1/2 football field size food plot,( species is not important, but not on corn please) divide the field exactly in half. ON one half apply a fertilizer, such as miracle grow, do ot treat the other half. Place utilization cages on each half and see which side is eaten first. I promise you the treated side will ALWAYS be eaten first.

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from muskiemaster wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

wow that is a muskie and I've noticed that states with baiting bans that in winter months odds are deer are going to find a residential area and eat out of feeders.

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from kolbster wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

i also live on one of the states where, if a deer makes it 2 years, he is luckier than most. i agree i think it all has to do with the rut and rifle season.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

One more thing. I think if you stick a deer in a pen where it only has a feeder to feed from you will get better results but outside in the real world where a deer may only see your feeder once or twice a day then the impact greatly lessons.

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from thuroy wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

This would be very similar to cattle. The better the food source the healthier and better they are. In both cases genetics are a key component, but without proper nutrition the animal is not going to meet their potential.

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from buck hunter 17 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

If you feed the deer food that helps with the antler growth it will create a biger size fack and it is ok to do in minnesota so we do but we dont hunt over it because that is illigal.

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from MNhunter23 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

well said vtbluegrass

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from shane wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Why do you have a picture of a moose?

Seriously though, look at that huge rack on that tiny little pathetic rat of a buck. That had to be taken in Texas. Texas bucks weigh about the same as the does I shoot. I hate little skinny baby bucks with huge racks. What the hell am I supposed to eat? Sure there's something Impressive hanging on the wall, but I'm also starving to death. And that doe looks near death too. Come to Ohio or Saskatchewan or the Adirondacks where they have real deer that aren't anorexic.

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from stickbow13 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

that is an awsome deer, i'm in a state that been on an off about baiting so i don't bait, hunting is in my blood and if i where to get a fine or worse lose my hunting privileges i would go nuts, so in my hunting area an my neighbors have all just band together and just put minerals out and i have noticed in my hunting area that the buck are gitting bigger, doe are giving birth to healther fawns, so the baiting isn't a big deal, but the deposit of minerals in my mind and my hunting area realy does make a differnes.

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from steve182 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

I think that supplemental feeding certainly can increase average antler size, especially on these "ranches" that are basically deer farms. These high priced bio-engineered products are like steriods for deer. That along with the Trophy Hunting Only (QDM?)that takes place on said ranches leads to enormous bucks. I believe these fenced properties with tons of feeders are a joke, but to each, his own. I'll never pay to hunt one, i can guarrantee you. Victory, that's funny about the GNC stuff, but this stuff is equally as expensive. Those would be some expensive, labor intensive, hybrid, bio-engineered, quality deer managed bucks

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from teufelhunden wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

I believe that feeding increases the carrying capacity of a piece of property. With more deer you naturally have more mature bucks. Age and genetics are just as important as nutrition in growing trophy bucks.

For some one who writes with authority about feeding and baiting yoou sure dont seem to know very much Mr. Bestul. I do not know who is giving you your opinions but they seem to be equally clueless. I know very few people who feed deer only for hunting season everyone that I know feeds year round. The few that do feed only during hunting season do so mostly by accident (ie. lost lease). A quality feeding program takes into account the health and well-being of the entire herd not just some jack-legged scrub that would be dumb enough to show up under a feeder in the daylight.

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from bowhunter352 wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Floridahunter has it about down to the needle... No big bucks here... lol, At least nothing higher then an 8. And yep, everyone shoots 'em no matter what, even does out of doe week, which usually results into button bucks. But... the nocturnal part I'm a little skeptic... Theyr might not be many deer and not that big of them, but as long as you put your time in... you can see deer.

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from Edstoresit wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

As usual Mr. Bestul, you fail to see/acknowledge the difference between "baiting" and supplemental feeding. The feeder in the pic is a High protein bulk feeder that is in place YEAR 'ROUND. Yes it is not cost effective for the average joe, and hence is not used widely. Food plots are also a form of supplemental feeding. It is a little more cost effective and greatly increases the tonnage per acre of food available to deer annually. Food plot management can be used to ensure deer have quality feed during the most stressfull preiods in their year to year lives.
Baiting is the practice of feeding deer to attract them for the purpose of hunting. This , in my opinion, is not necessarily the best way to harvest quality deer.
For those posters from Florida who are feeding corn year round with no "results": Corn is to whitetails what cocaine is to crack addicts. It has very little usable nutrional value. In other words, corn is made up of mostly complex carbohydrates that will produce energy, and it is very palatable, which is why deer come to it continually. Corn has almost no protein (> 6% in most varieties), which is the primary component in developing the maximum body mass prior to antler development in the spring. In other words, if a buck reaches his maxium BMI (Body mass index), prior to his pedicles developing antlers, then all available nutrition then goes into producing the best antlers that his age class allows him to. So corn as a nutrional supplement is not only wasted money from you, but it is also wasted on the deer except in harsh winter conditions where it may save their lives, but that is a whole other data set.
All this said, the number one thing that anyone can do to improve this size of their racks, is to to not shoot the young deer. Age = Rack size and development.

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from steve182 wrote 3 years 6 weeks ago

I agree with those who stated age is the biggest factor to growing big buck. Of course those with better nutrition may be more able to reach their potential. The mineral content of soil is surely a factor as well. We all know or have seen deer EAT soil when they need certain minerals.

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