


April 23, 2013
Illinois Hunter Pleads Guilty to Poaching State Record Whitetail—And More
By Scott Bestul

Remember Illinois hunter Chris Kiernan? Back in November of 2009, he killed an Illinois state-record nontypical whitetail, a 36-point buck giant that netted scored 267-3/8 inches. This week, Kiernan pleaded guilty in Grundy County (IL) Circuit Court to illegally taking not just that buck but two others as well, according to this story in the LaSalle News Tribune.
Kiernan admitted to illegally killing a 16-point and an 11-point whitetail. He also confessed to hunting without permission in the three cases. Kiernan was fined $10,000 restitution for the 36-point buck, and $840 in additional fines. The trophy bucks, as well as Kiernan’s hunting equipment, were seized by the DNR. Kiernan will not be able to hunt in Illinois for two years, and he may receive additional suspension of his hunting privileges.
I always feel a range of emotion whenever cases like this go public. And though I get just as mad and disgusted as ever, reporting on these big busts over the years has allowed a different sentiment to emerge; curiosity. Today’s wardens—and I count Illinois’ force as one of the best—are simply better at their jobs than ever, and people seem more concerned and willing to report wildlife violations. So I always wonder how guys like Kiernan think they can get away with their crimes. I assume that fame and greed are temptations for guys like him, but for Kiernan to think that shooting and then purposely publicizing a whitetail this monstrous is not going to put him under a microscope is just madness. So is Kiernan is just plain dumb or is the challenge of getting away with something just as heady for him as the crime itself. Thoughts?
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Maybe people would stop if the fines were equal to the value of the "hunt". One could easily pay 10k to an outfitter for the chance to hunt the rut down in the Golden Triangle of IL. Why not make the fine something that would act as a serious deterrent?
I hate what idiots like this do. that buck could have been a kids first deer or something, and he had to steal it from us.
I know it's not true for everyone, but a $10,000 fine would hurt me a lot.
$10,000, plus $840, plus his bow and gear (more than likely over a $1,000), plus the three deer mounts (assuming they were shoulder mounts about $1,200 if not more), plus he can't hunt for 2 years. I'm not saying he shouldn't have gotten hit harder but I think he's learned his lesson.
What were the actual violations? Neither this blog nor the story (link) specifies. "Illegally killing" is a very broad statement.
How can people live with themselves for killing deer out of season and not having tags for them. How could you.
Proverbs, If I remember correctly he shot the deer on land he did not have permission to hunt. It was a large tract of land owned by a corporation adjacent to the property he hunted. The guy possessed the proper tag, during the proper season with the proper weapon and during daylight hours. He is guilty of trespassing which means he took the deer illegally.
I think people like, Chris Kiernan do the things they do for a combination of reasons. None of which are mutually exclusive. Stupidity, greed, desire to be recognized and a complete lack of ethics probably all have something to do with it.
Unless it is completely necessary, i.e., you and your family are starving to death, poaching is a despicable act. The fines and loss of gear are a good start but I think his hunting privileges should be taken away for a lot longer than two years. They should make an example out of that jerk.
If, as another person wrote, trespassing was his only "crime" then he was treated unfairly.His only charge should have been trespassing which carries a fine. The other charges should have not been brought against him. If he "poached" by using an illegal weapon or hunted out of season he did not receive enough punishment.
Ray, I was sort of thinking the same thing. It's like getting pulled over for speeding but you get charged with DUI when you've didn't have anything to drink.
So what hunting show is he on?
Ray and buckhunter. It is a form of theft. It is no different than someone coming on your property to steal. In this case, which I have followed closely since it began, the item taken was valued at $10000. Had it been a car, instead of a deer, it would be called grand theft. The consequences in this case are less punitive than if he had stolen a car. He just didn't wander across a property line by accident and kill a deer. The pursuit of the record buck and the other two deer were premeditated acts. Kiernan and friends (Elite Archery prostaff and a company officer) went to great lengths to access this property as covertly as possible to harvest these deer.
The depth of the conspiracy no doubt had an effect on the sentencing, as it should have.
"So what hunting show is he on?"
Hmmm...I'm guessing if he's illegally harvesting game, it's either Spook Nation or Ted Nugent's show. Poachers stick together.
"So what hunting show is he on?"
Hmmm...I'm guessing if he's illegally harvesting game, it's either Spook Nation or Ted Nugent's show. Poachers stick together.
Not knowing the situation or the guy, I wouldn't presume to condemn or defend his actions- but I'm wondering about the comment above that equates a kill taken during tresspassing as theft- how does the state where this happened define ownership of wild game? in my home state of Idaho, our constitution maintains that wild game belongs to the state- if my reasoning is correct, where the deer is standing when the arrow pokes him would have no relationship to ownership; if it was state property legal to take on a public side of the fence, the critter is the sme on the tresspass side of the fence,and subject only to tresspass charges- not theft. I'd hate to see private landowners thinking they "own" a wild deer just because it lives on their plot.
Eyeswideopen, If game belongs to the public how did the landowner own the deer? I just don't know how this constitutes stealing.
I think the point some are trying to make on this board is, states have taken what has historically (common law in the US) been a public resource (wildlife)and privatized it. In almost any other similar instance, trespassing is a minor offense. Walk on your neighbor's lawn and kill a spider, you won't be fined $10k. I am not making the case for trespassing. I am just arguing this shouldn't be considered poaching. Wildlife doesn't belong to the landowner. If hunter damages property, cuts fences, destroys gates, punish him or her for that. But fish and game officers, at least in Utah, have been turned in to rent-a-cops for absentee landlords and developers who use lobbyists and legislators to lock up public access to river systems and public space.
Where did theft come from? The guy was poaching. Plain and simple.
A guy shot a 140" 10pt off my grandpas land a couple years ago but the idiot didn't realize my grandpa was watching him the whole time and had the warden on the phone. The state got him for $1000 for shooting a single projectile from the road, my grandpa could have pressed charges for trespassing (the deer was on his land when he shot from the road) but chose not to. But theft was never on the table. The only way I can see theft is if the deer was in a high fence preserve.
Thanks for your response, Buckhunter.
It appears the violation was "hunting without permission" which is a bit different from trespassing. If one were out picking daisies and arrested for "trespassing" I'd gather the punishment would be different.
This isn't about "stealing" or "trespassing" it is explicitly about "hunting without permission" it would seem.
Two years? That's all? Can't hunt for two years? I hope all of the other compact states feel that two years is not nearly adequate enough and subsequent hunting anywhere but his pantry is prohibited until he is allowed a night crawler permit in 2050!
Poaching is taking an animal where you have o right. Robin Hood was a poacher because he shot deer in the king's forest. We hunters need to respect property rights; property owners need to post. Poaching 3 times should get him a lifetime ban -- this was not a case of missing a posting.
As a fisherman I am not allowed to fish in closed waters. I am certain the game wardens would seize my boat and gear if I tried it. Poaching is poaching.
Wild game does belong to the public no matter whose land it is standing on. However, the state may regulate how that game can be taken and most state laws state that public game can be taken on private property only with the landowner's permission. If it is taken without the landowner's permission it is POACHED simply because it was taken contrary to state regulations, i.e. against the express desires of the people who legally own the game animal that's killed.
I agree, oncelost. Money means nothing to these twerps. Take their hunting privileges away for twenty years in nearly forty states and they're REALLY punished where it hurts!
I was born and raised in Illinois, and it has one of the best Conservation Law Enforcement Agencies in the country. I can not stand poachers! My father raised me to only take what I need, and to always fallow the laws. Today while fishing, I came upon an illegal fish trap. I swiftly reported it to PA Fish & Boat. People forget that we as outdoorsman are stewards of the land and water we love. If we don't protect it, there will be nothing left for our children.
Well said snuffy! Even though I don't hunt deer, actions like this hurt all, not just hunters, fishermen, and outdoors-men. All are less because of this man's action.
I hope to pass along to my grandsons a love of hunting and fishing, and a respect for laws. At least that is what I am trying to do.
Every hunter who buys a hunting license gets a booklet of their state hunting laws and regulations. The state Fish and Game Department Conservation Officers enforce all these laws. If a hunter violates a state law while taking a game animal then that animal should be confiscated. Trespassing is a crime. This scum bag poacher pled guilty of killing three large bucks. He should have lost his hunting license for a minimum of five years and got a large fine for each buck he killed. Another hunter who is law abiding could of bagged one of those three bucks without breaking any laws.
Unbridled buck fever almost always leads to loss of buck$, especially if there is no distress of mind over anticipation of action, by reason of anxiety arising from awareness of guilt.
The law is the law and poaching is poaching. This guy is a poacher!
I don't think my post inferred that the landowner, owned the deer. The state "owns" and regulates the harvest of wild game in Illinois. I was trying to break it down into simple, understandable terms. The breaking of any law or wildlife code in Illinois while harvesting any regulated species, is poaching, plain and simple. The lengths to which these poachers went, to poach these deer, were a factor in the severity of their punishment. The self promotion and possibility of monetary gain from taking a record book animal were also taken into account.
This isn't a case of "Oops, I'm sorry, I didn't know that it was wrong."
I believe what many posters aren't considering is the aspect of trespassing on private land. In our state most land is privately owned, obviously the state does own large parcels that allow access. People that own land, pay taxes on that land, have the right to regulate who accesses their land. Leases generate income to rural landowners that can be significant, depending on the quality of the resources on their land. Someone who tresspasses to harvest those resources is stealing. Stealing can be in the form of harvesting fish, and wildlife or as simple as trees for firewood. Trespass fines can be as little as $50.00 whereas leases can exceed thousands of dollars. Why lease when all you have to do is pay a $50.00 fine if you got caught.
Author Bestul suggests that today's wardens are better at their jobs than ever. While that might be true, I'd suggest that today's poachers (assumed to be as stupid and unethical as ever) are undone more and more by the power of the Internet and smart phones. With digital photos flying all over the place, via text, email, websites - it draws more attention & scrutiny to what they've done. While I'm sure they realize this, their ego trips them up, thankfully.
For this guy, a lifetime ban would be appropriate.
On a different note, as a resident of the highly disfunctinal state of Illinois, it comes as a shock to me to hear praise heaped on any state agency. Seriously. This state could corrupt and ruin most anything. Happy to hear the game warden mechanism functions well.
Hey guys read the post.. This guy took the deer illegal. Most likely out of season or at night k.. The second charge was (trespassing) or hunting without permission. He was lucky he got off light..
Maybe he was lost. Maybe the land wasn't posted. Really there is not much information on what actually took place to judge the man.
Thats what I would like to know who pays for my car when a deer runs into it if the State or the land owner ownes the deer? My Insurance goes up to pay for everyone that gets hit by a deer now they are saying someone ownes the Deer .If the people owne the deer it can't be poaching.
Thank God for wardens
Just so people understand, in Wi at least you don't need to hang one sign. It is the hunter and property owners responsibility to know where the lines are. This does not change anything.
I think the suspension should be longer....maybe two years per deer----CONSECUTIVELY!
The "theft" is from the public.... You can't cut firewood, remove beach rock from public or private property without committing "theft".
Also, the landowner doesn't have to post the property. My property is MINE! Everybody knows it is not theirs, so they shouldn't be there!
The man is a poacher which is evidenced by his willingness to break the law (trespassing) in order to shoot a record book deer. It's not about who owns the deer. It's about following the laws and regulations set forth by the state. To top it off, he broadcasts his achievement to the world by taking photos and having it officially scored.
I think the fines are in line. I am not sure about Illinois but I know in Iowa the fine is tied to the scoring of the antlers (and in this case the fine would have been similar). My only issue is like several others who posted on here. When you take away a poacher's hunting rights for two years (or any length of time), is this really a punishment? They have already proven that they are willing to break the law in order to shoot a record book deer.
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What were the actual violations? Neither this blog nor the story (link) specifies. "Illegally killing" is a very broad statement.
I hate what idiots like this do. that buck could have been a kids first deer or something, and he had to steal it from us.
I know it's not true for everyone, but a $10,000 fine would hurt me a lot.
I think people like, Chris Kiernan do the things they do for a combination of reasons. None of which are mutually exclusive. Stupidity, greed, desire to be recognized and a complete lack of ethics probably all have something to do with it.
Unless it is completely necessary, i.e., you and your family are starving to death, poaching is a despicable act. The fines and loss of gear are a good start but I think his hunting privileges should be taken away for a lot longer than two years. They should make an example out of that jerk.
Not knowing the situation or the guy, I wouldn't presume to condemn or defend his actions- but I'm wondering about the comment above that equates a kill taken during tresspassing as theft- how does the state where this happened define ownership of wild game? in my home state of Idaho, our constitution maintains that wild game belongs to the state- if my reasoning is correct, where the deer is standing when the arrow pokes him would have no relationship to ownership; if it was state property legal to take on a public side of the fence, the critter is the sme on the tresspass side of the fence,and subject only to tresspass charges- not theft. I'd hate to see private landowners thinking they "own" a wild deer just because it lives on their plot.
I think the point some are trying to make on this board is, states have taken what has historically (common law in the US) been a public resource (wildlife)and privatized it. In almost any other similar instance, trespassing is a minor offense. Walk on your neighbor's lawn and kill a spider, you won't be fined $10k. I am not making the case for trespassing. I am just arguing this shouldn't be considered poaching. Wildlife doesn't belong to the landowner. If hunter damages property, cuts fences, destroys gates, punish him or her for that. But fish and game officers, at least in Utah, have been turned in to rent-a-cops for absentee landlords and developers who use lobbyists and legislators to lock up public access to river systems and public space.
$10,000, plus $840, plus his bow and gear (more than likely over a $1,000), plus the three deer mounts (assuming they were shoulder mounts about $1,200 if not more), plus he can't hunt for 2 years. I'm not saying he shouldn't have gotten hit harder but I think he's learned his lesson.
Ray and buckhunter. It is a form of theft. It is no different than someone coming on your property to steal. In this case, which I have followed closely since it began, the item taken was valued at $10000. Had it been a car, instead of a deer, it would be called grand theft. The consequences in this case are less punitive than if he had stolen a car. He just didn't wander across a property line by accident and kill a deer. The pursuit of the record buck and the other two deer were premeditated acts. Kiernan and friends (Elite Archery prostaff and a company officer) went to great lengths to access this property as covertly as possible to harvest these deer.
The depth of the conspiracy no doubt had an effect on the sentencing, as it should have.
Eyeswideopen, If game belongs to the public how did the landowner own the deer? I just don't know how this constitutes stealing.
Author Bestul suggests that today's wardens are better at their jobs than ever. While that might be true, I'd suggest that today's poachers (assumed to be as stupid and unethical as ever) are undone more and more by the power of the Internet and smart phones. With digital photos flying all over the place, via text, email, websites - it draws more attention & scrutiny to what they've done. While I'm sure they realize this, their ego trips them up, thankfully.
For this guy, a lifetime ban would be appropriate.
On a different note, as a resident of the highly disfunctinal state of Illinois, it comes as a shock to me to hear praise heaped on any state agency. Seriously. This state could corrupt and ruin most anything. Happy to hear the game warden mechanism functions well.
Maybe people would stop if the fines were equal to the value of the "hunt". One could easily pay 10k to an outfitter for the chance to hunt the rut down in the Golden Triangle of IL. Why not make the fine something that would act as a serious deterrent?
How can people live with themselves for killing deer out of season and not having tags for them. How could you.
Proverbs, If I remember correctly he shot the deer on land he did not have permission to hunt. It was a large tract of land owned by a corporation adjacent to the property he hunted. The guy possessed the proper tag, during the proper season with the proper weapon and during daylight hours. He is guilty of trespassing which means he took the deer illegally.
So what hunting show is he on?
"So what hunting show is he on?"
Hmmm...I'm guessing if he's illegally harvesting game, it's either Spook Nation or Ted Nugent's show. Poachers stick together.
Where did theft come from? The guy was poaching. Plain and simple.
A guy shot a 140" 10pt off my grandpas land a couple years ago but the idiot didn't realize my grandpa was watching him the whole time and had the warden on the phone. The state got him for $1000 for shooting a single projectile from the road, my grandpa could have pressed charges for trespassing (the deer was on his land when he shot from the road) but chose not to. But theft was never on the table. The only way I can see theft is if the deer was in a high fence preserve.
Thanks for your response, Buckhunter.
It appears the violation was "hunting without permission" which is a bit different from trespassing. If one were out picking daisies and arrested for "trespassing" I'd gather the punishment would be different.
This isn't about "stealing" or "trespassing" it is explicitly about "hunting without permission" it would seem.
Poaching is taking an animal where you have o right. Robin Hood was a poacher because he shot deer in the king's forest. We hunters need to respect property rights; property owners need to post. Poaching 3 times should get him a lifetime ban -- this was not a case of missing a posting.
As a fisherman I am not allowed to fish in closed waters. I am certain the game wardens would seize my boat and gear if I tried it. Poaching is poaching.
Wild game does belong to the public no matter whose land it is standing on. However, the state may regulate how that game can be taken and most state laws state that public game can be taken on private property only with the landowner's permission. If it is taken without the landowner's permission it is POACHED simply because it was taken contrary to state regulations, i.e. against the express desires of the people who legally own the game animal that's killed.
I agree, oncelost. Money means nothing to these twerps. Take their hunting privileges away for twenty years in nearly forty states and they're REALLY punished where it hurts!
I was born and raised in Illinois, and it has one of the best Conservation Law Enforcement Agencies in the country. I can not stand poachers! My father raised me to only take what I need, and to always fallow the laws. Today while fishing, I came upon an illegal fish trap. I swiftly reported it to PA Fish & Boat. People forget that we as outdoorsman are stewards of the land and water we love. If we don't protect it, there will be nothing left for our children.
Well said snuffy! Even though I don't hunt deer, actions like this hurt all, not just hunters, fishermen, and outdoors-men. All are less because of this man's action.
I hope to pass along to my grandsons a love of hunting and fishing, and a respect for laws. At least that is what I am trying to do.
Every hunter who buys a hunting license gets a booklet of their state hunting laws and regulations. The state Fish and Game Department Conservation Officers enforce all these laws. If a hunter violates a state law while taking a game animal then that animal should be confiscated. Trespassing is a crime. This scum bag poacher pled guilty of killing three large bucks. He should have lost his hunting license for a minimum of five years and got a large fine for each buck he killed. Another hunter who is law abiding could of bagged one of those three bucks without breaking any laws.
Unbridled buck fever almost always leads to loss of buck$, especially if there is no distress of mind over anticipation of action, by reason of anxiety arising from awareness of guilt.
The law is the law and poaching is poaching. This guy is a poacher!
I don't think my post inferred that the landowner, owned the deer. The state "owns" and regulates the harvest of wild game in Illinois. I was trying to break it down into simple, understandable terms. The breaking of any law or wildlife code in Illinois while harvesting any regulated species, is poaching, plain and simple. The lengths to which these poachers went, to poach these deer, were a factor in the severity of their punishment. The self promotion and possibility of monetary gain from taking a record book animal were also taken into account.
This isn't a case of "Oops, I'm sorry, I didn't know that it was wrong."
I believe what many posters aren't considering is the aspect of trespassing on private land. In our state most land is privately owned, obviously the state does own large parcels that allow access. People that own land, pay taxes on that land, have the right to regulate who accesses their land. Leases generate income to rural landowners that can be significant, depending on the quality of the resources on their land. Someone who tresspasses to harvest those resources is stealing. Stealing can be in the form of harvesting fish, and wildlife or as simple as trees for firewood. Trespass fines can be as little as $50.00 whereas leases can exceed thousands of dollars. Why lease when all you have to do is pay a $50.00 fine if you got caught.
Hey guys read the post.. This guy took the deer illegal. Most likely out of season or at night k.. The second charge was (trespassing) or hunting without permission. He was lucky he got off light..
Maybe he was lost. Maybe the land wasn't posted. Really there is not much information on what actually took place to judge the man.
Thats what I would like to know who pays for my car when a deer runs into it if the State or the land owner ownes the deer? My Insurance goes up to pay for everyone that gets hit by a deer now they are saying someone ownes the Deer .If the people owne the deer it can't be poaching.
Thank God for wardens
Just so people understand, in Wi at least you don't need to hang one sign. It is the hunter and property owners responsibility to know where the lines are. This does not change anything.
I think the suspension should be longer....maybe two years per deer----CONSECUTIVELY!
The "theft" is from the public.... You can't cut firewood, remove beach rock from public or private property without committing "theft".
Also, the landowner doesn't have to post the property. My property is MINE! Everybody knows it is not theirs, so they shouldn't be there!
The man is a poacher which is evidenced by his willingness to break the law (trespassing) in order to shoot a record book deer. It's not about who owns the deer. It's about following the laws and regulations set forth by the state. To top it off, he broadcasts his achievement to the world by taking photos and having it officially scored.
I think the fines are in line. I am not sure about Illinois but I know in Iowa the fine is tied to the scoring of the antlers (and in this case the fine would have been similar). My only issue is like several others who posted on here. When you take away a poacher's hunting rights for two years (or any length of time), is this really a punishment? They have already proven that they are willing to break the law in order to shoot a record book deer.
Two years? That's all? Can't hunt for two years? I hope all of the other compact states feel that two years is not nearly adequate enough and subsequent hunting anywhere but his pantry is prohibited until he is allowed a night crawler permit in 2050!
If, as another person wrote, trespassing was his only "crime" then he was treated unfairly.His only charge should have been trespassing which carries a fine. The other charges should have not been brought against him. If he "poached" by using an illegal weapon or hunted out of season he did not receive enough punishment.
Ray, I was sort of thinking the same thing. It's like getting pulled over for speeding but you get charged with DUI when you've didn't have anything to drink.
"So what hunting show is he on?"
Hmmm...I'm guessing if he's illegally harvesting game, it's either Spook Nation or Ted Nugent's show. Poachers stick together.
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