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What is your favorite WSM?

Uploaded on August 24, 2009

If you could own any Winchester Short Mag. what would it be?

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from Hunt_Hard wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

My favorite WSM is the .325wsm. I just got one of these a couple months back and I love it. It really doesn't kick that bad and it looks tuff. The only downside is the bullets are a little expensive.

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

300 7 and 270 are the ones i own and i love the first 2 and like the third. I handload and find the 300 and 7mm to be the cat's tits. the 270 is great to but i am luke warm on 277's in general. The next "short magnum" for me is probably a 338-375 ruger, yeah sure it's 3006 length, but it's a healthy step up from the old 338 win (which I also love) I know none of these are neccesary, or maybe even practical in light of the 30 06, 7rem mag and 300 win mag, but I like em anyway, same as i love the Bob.

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

note, that's not a 338 rcm i am talking about

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

The .325 is the only one that might interest me, but won't do much that a handloaded .35 Whelen won't do. Every article that I can recall seems to suggest that actual velocities aren't near what is advertised. I predict they will pass into obscurity in 10 years as will the RCM's.

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

338-375 ruger may never make it out of obscurity as it is a wildcat and i doubt Ruger will legitimize it on the heels of the 338 RCM. As to velocities not matching the advertising, I would disagree, in 300 and 7mm WSM I can do at least as well (on a chrony, not just a gut feeling) as advertised, of course for pressures I am just going by pressure signs, so it is possible I am not holding strictly to SAMMI spec, but I get no sticky bolts or flattened or dimpled primers, and I don't exceed max loads in the manuals. 270 WSM I don't really mess with and should sell, but whatever. The RCM's due to the "propietary" powders obviously are a bad deal for handloaders and I doubt they meet the published propaganda an ddoubt they will ever amount to anything. The 338-375 Ruger I'm going to build when I get home will have the same case capacity as the 330 Dakota, but without the odd head size, and utilizing WAY cheaper parent brass.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

First of all I wouldn’t own a WSM, nothing but a fad cartridge. Because of the short fat cartridge I believe you will experience jaming in tight situations. I’ll stick to what I have, 22-50, 25-06, 6.5x55, 30-30, 30-06 and my 338 Win Mag. There are no Rhino’s on this cotenant and my 338 Win Mag was over kill on Moose and really wasted allot of rib meat on the Caribous I’ve taken. If you want to buy a WSM and pay extra money for an inferior cartridge in my book, GO FOR IT!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

The clarify my previous post, I recall that few of the factory loads lived up to the propaganda velocities from Winchester. I could be wrong. I'm sure handloads are capable of reaching advertised velocities without pressure measurement. I don't think I have ever had a pressure sign indicated while sticking to max loads in a manual. Speaking of which, I have noticed some extreme spreads in max load data from various manuals for the same bullet wt/powder. That is somewhat disturbing.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Clay, it's down right un-American of you not to own at least one .308 Winchester! LOL

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

A .223, .257 Roberts, 30-30, .300 Savage, .308 Win, .30-06, 8x57, 7mm Wby mag, and a .35 Whelen just about do it for me too! Tell me something that one of those won't take out!

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

You may want to step up to a 375 for africa or brownies. But if like me Africa ain' happening for you then why bother. I think you are right as far as The extreme spread on max loads, hence the often rduced accuracy, but backe off a little the problem usually clears up, and the accuracy comes back, but I'm not breaking any new ground with that statemnet. Rifle cranks definately come in all flavors, some of us like to tinker with nw toys others like to stick with the standards. Almost every arguement I've seen against WSM's revolved around redundancy or some conspiracy among rifle manufacturers to (horror of horrors ) sell you another rifle. WA MTN hunter, you pointed out the "slide into obscurity", but as a fan of the BOB, 35 whelin, and 8x57 I know that isn't actually a detterent to you. And it shouldn't be, either- you did the right thing and found the cartridges that meet your needs and appeal to your sense of asthetics, as a diehard Bob Fan I am the same way. As to Clay's "nothigng but a fad cartridge" I say this- the 300 WSM is probably at this point not a fad, but here to stay, but regardless, If you are a handloader what difference does it make whether or not it's a fad? Above I was talking about building a wildcat- so "faddishness" is no concern to me, and playing with different cartridges is definatly one of my hobbies. You'll never here me argue for the superiority, practicality, or signifigance of the WSM's or many other cartridges- they are just a hobby, and a worthwhile one. Perhaps in a DGR these would be "inferior" due to thier geometry, but they might also be on the light side for those uses too. I also think it's pretty critical to own a 223 and a 308, so when civillian cartridges and components are banned- you can still shoot. I like all the others can offer a hundred reasons not to get a WSM, and don't really care if they slide into obscurity as I have plenty of brass to last a good long while, and long after factory offerings have disappeared brass will be available. Though my own experience has been positive with them, and I have yet to experince any issues with cycling, lack of velocity, or being too redundant, I can not in good conscience reccomend them over other more time honored econmical cartridges, and definatly would not own one mysefl if limited to a 5 gun stable.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

175rltw

Good points.

I think some of the WSM's will be around as long as Winchester and Browning sell rifles so chambered. The .300 and .325 will likely be the one that last in popularity. You are right, I have not been deterred in my cartridge selection by popularity. But each has been around for quite some time and still loaded by major manufacturers. LOL

I just wonder how many of the WSM, WSSM, RSAUM, and RCM loads will be around in 10 years. Hopefully I'll be around to be proven wrong!

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from Swagger501 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I like the 300WSM. good cartridge for just about any north American big game with the exception of only the largest.

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I think in ten years we will still have the 300 wsm, and possibly the 270 wsm, though I think it's survival is a litle less likely, honestly it was the only one that was truly a breath of fresh air. the rest, I doubt will make it other than with one or maybe two loads, like the 284 win.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I think I read that the 7mm Rem SAUM is in trouble already sales wise. If you look at last couple of year's ammo catalogs from Federal, Winchester, Hornady, & Remington and compare to the loads currently offered, you might be able to pick the ones going down the tube. When a major manufacturer drops loadings for it's proprietary cartridge, you can bet it is in trouble.

Also, if Cabela's, Bass Pro, MidwayUSA, Mid-South Shooter's Supply, and Natchez don't sell a load, you can be sure it's not in the hit parade.

I think the .300 WSM is ok, but why would one want a .300 magnum in a lighter rifle with smaller magazine capacity? I don't believe the recoil improves with a short case! A lighter action with a longer barrel doesn't balance very well either, but that's just me. I would have like to have won the Browning A-Bolt at the RMEF banquet and given it a whirl though. :)

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

In an other than DGR rifle I'm fine with 2+1 or even a single shot in some cases. Recoil, and this is personal and very subjective, in.30 magnums shooting 180's and smaller is easily managed with good stock designs. For me recoil doesn't begin to matter until shooting 200 grainers in .30's and then of course 33 magnums are a really noticeable jolt. I'd tend to agree with you on the balance issue, and always prefer a rifle with the weight out front. Oddly enough I have a ruger compact in 308 with a 16.5 inch soda straw for a barrel that feel's fine though- unless you are staring through the scope for a while- in which case the thing seems to wander all over creation, but for 250 yrd or less shots that you are confident about adn xcan just point breath and shoot, it's nice. I'm pretty sure the 7 SAUM was aleways in trouble, I don't tink there has been a load introduced for it other than the 2-3 that came out concurrently with its anouncement. Not to hijack this worse than we have, but where do you stand on the 338 federal?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

175rltw

Agreed, recoil is subjective to a great extent. My son is tall and lanky and even a whomping by 10 ga turkey loads doesn't bother him.

The .338 Federal is a good cartridge by all accounts. Layne Simpson did a couple of good hunt/test articles and John Barsness did some good load comparisons between the .338 F and .358 Winchester, both good rounds currently chambered by Ruger in M-77's. I have a .308 Win and .358 Win, so I have only thought about the .338 Fed in passing, since there is not much of a niche that needs filling there. I believe it is a good round for someone hard over on short action rifles that is not into short magnum mania. I would think that it is a great round for handloaders. JMHO

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Yeah, I am 6'4" and 190, which helps immensely with recoil. I am considering rebarrelling my ruger compact as a 338 federal instead of the 308 win it is currently, probably go with an 18 inch tube instead of the 16.5 it is now, that seems like a dream gun for the timber to me, might get a full time job as my moose popper too. I've read Layne's articles on it, but haven't seen John's comparo between that and the 358. Youare quite the 35 fan huh? I have a 35 rem in an old marlin 336 that gets out once in a blue moon, but hasn't seen regular use in 14 years or so.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I am your height + 40 pounds. I have no problem with the recoil of the .35's or my 7mm Weatherby, but I choose to avaiod the real stompers. My chiropracter is wealthy enough.

But I do need to get a Remington 760 or 762 pump action .35 Remington just to round out my classic .35 caliber non-magnum rifles. The .358 Shooting Times Alaskan and .358 Norma Magnum have way too much recoil to be of interest to me for use. I might buy one if it was too good a bargain to pass up, but doubt I would use either unless the grizzly bears start a jihad. Sooner or later, I'll run across a .35 Remington at a bargain too good to pass up. For a hunting cartridge, it holds no appeal to me, although it suits a lot of folks and has put a lot of deer on the pole.

So many rifles, so little time :(

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from jantonich wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Simply put the best WSM is the 7MM. It will tale down everything you hent in North America.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I have a 270WSM and so far its been good. The biggest pox against the WSM house is the cost of ammo and availability. If you choose one of these it pays to reload. So far my loads have chrony'd right in there. I actually prefer backing them down a bit from max.
Clay, I have never had a failure of any kind on this round. Have had extensive experience with the 300WSM also. No failures there either. All that being said I would only buy one again (a WSM gun)if it was a smoking deal. Then again I am a cheapskate and only buy anything if it is a smoking deal. I would not buy one of the SAUM's or the RCM's. I do think they will go the way of the dodo. Good luck finding ammo for any of those in BFE.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

sgaredneck

Bum F--- Egypt is a truly Southern term aptly describing many out of the way spots. I say that it is Southern only because I grew up in Alabama and lived in Georgia for several years and am certain that's where I first heard the term. While the Southern language might not be so refined, it certainly is flavorful! LMAO

Take care

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

What part of Ga, WA Mtnhunter?
BTW, Bumphuck(say it fast and spell it this way to avoid trouble) is the geographic region centrally located between Troy AL, Cairo GA, and Scotland GA.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I lived in Hotlanta for a year and about 3 years in Columbus, GA.

Columbus is slightly outside of the geographic boundaries of Troy-Cairo-Scotland-Troy on the map. Columbus ain't BFE, but you can darn sure see it from there! :)

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Actually BFE is as much a state of mind as a place. Somewhere far, far away from Wal-mart, starbucks, malls, etc. In BFE you find your ammo at the pharmacy, or you may get it at an auto parts store. No 300SAUM or 338RCM to be found. They'll be glad to order it for you. You will need to sell an organ to pay for it when it comes in. Having an out of state tag or a different accent may bring on a 40% upcharge. You will have to convince some folks you didn't vote for Obama. Tell them you are hunting since it's in season and looking for your Great-Granddaddy's grave too, or you have kin here and the price will come back down.

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from berky wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

If i could own any i would go with the 270wsm. I think it ios a great deer caliber and that what i mainly hunt. I actually own one to. It is a nice little gun the browning a bolt composite.

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from shane wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I find the .270WSM to be moderately attractive, as it's the only option for faster .277 bullets that isn't a (pricey) Weatherby. Handloading the .270 Win takes care of a lot of that gap, though. I wonder what you can pull off rolling your own .270WSMs? Anybody have numbers?

I think the .325 is worth a darn too, it's nice for people that want to shoot something you would normally shoot with a .338, but can't take the recoil. .35 Whelen and .350 Rem. Mag (the original shortfat?) kind of take care of that, though.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter

I MOOSED UP!

I do own a 7.72 NATO M1A!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

7.62 fat fingers strile again!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Darnet STRIKE!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

@Clay

I was having the same problem last night. Started out by dropping a pint jar of homemade sweet pickles that went all over the kitchen floor and ended up spilling a box of large rifle primers. Fat finger functions! LOL

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

BFE huh, I'm from Cherry Log GA, which is getting somewhat overrun with retirees now but still fits the bill. you can drive from my parents house to dahlonega and spend 3 miles of the 30 on pavement, though there are more efficient ways to get there. Waco ga where I lived for a couple years off the last exit in Ga on I-20 is the real mccoy as well. A Cherry Log story. North Ga is all 3rd growth hardwoods except for the paper company land in planted pines. its been loged a few times, so while its mature its not massive. My dad used to get liquor (apple brandy, the official moonshine of North Ga) from an Old timer each fall. It was about 5 years ago the last time we got any from him, and he said " Well, I dont spose folks'll be makin' any more liquor round here, for there ain't no wood to burn!" Dad nods and says "Well Dub I think what most folks are using is propane." Dub with hands in the bib of his overalls looks up at the sky and ponders a moment, then spit about a quart of tobbacco juice, wiped his chin, and said "Cookin' Gas!- I don't believe that'd work!" End of discussion, truely an oldtimer. a real tradionalist when it came to firing his still. I go see alot of the oldfolks when I'm back home and listen to the stories.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

As far as I'm concerned BFE is where it's at. Sounds like my kind of folks.

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I own a 300 WSM in a Tikka T 3 Lite . I have killed deer in Alabama at long ranges and deer in WV at short ranges. The cartridge does everything that I could expect a cartridge to do.

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from BigBboy25 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I like the .300 WSM but I don't think I'd buy a WSM honestly.

Question for you folks though:
What is more appealing to you, the .300 WSM or the .300 RSAUM?

Personally I'd lean towards the later of the two but that's just me.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I won't be owning any Super Short Stubby Mags but the .270 and .325 piqued my interest just a bit. Briefly

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from 007 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter, your safe sounds like mine, less the 8mm, and my 7mm is a Remington and instead of the Whelen I hope to see my .338-06 this summer sometime. Back to the point, my cousin has a .223 WSSM. He usually has me to line things in for him and I could NOT get that .223 to group. He was providing factory ammo and I was embarassed to ask for more. On the other hand, he also has a .204 that shoots like a dream. Granted, individual rifles have something to do with accuray, but you could not give me a .223 WSSM after what I saw. On the other hand, if he ever wants to part with the .204..............I think the bulk of the WSM/WSSM's will fade into history rather quickly.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Clay, it's down right un-American of you not to own at least one .308 Winchester! LOL

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

A .223, .257 Roberts, 30-30, .300 Savage, .308 Win, .30-06, 8x57, 7mm Wby mag, and a .35 Whelen just about do it for me too! Tell me something that one of those won't take out!

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

You may want to step up to a 375 for africa or brownies. But if like me Africa ain' happening for you then why bother. I think you are right as far as The extreme spread on max loads, hence the often rduced accuracy, but backe off a little the problem usually clears up, and the accuracy comes back, but I'm not breaking any new ground with that statemnet. Rifle cranks definately come in all flavors, some of us like to tinker with nw toys others like to stick with the standards. Almost every arguement I've seen against WSM's revolved around redundancy or some conspiracy among rifle manufacturers to (horror of horrors ) sell you another rifle. WA MTN hunter, you pointed out the "slide into obscurity", but as a fan of the BOB, 35 whelin, and 8x57 I know that isn't actually a detterent to you. And it shouldn't be, either- you did the right thing and found the cartridges that meet your needs and appeal to your sense of asthetics, as a diehard Bob Fan I am the same way. As to Clay's "nothigng but a fad cartridge" I say this- the 300 WSM is probably at this point not a fad, but here to stay, but regardless, If you are a handloader what difference does it make whether or not it's a fad? Above I was talking about building a wildcat- so "faddishness" is no concern to me, and playing with different cartridges is definatly one of my hobbies. You'll never here me argue for the superiority, practicality, or signifigance of the WSM's or many other cartridges- they are just a hobby, and a worthwhile one. Perhaps in a DGR these would be "inferior" due to thier geometry, but they might also be on the light side for those uses too. I also think it's pretty critical to own a 223 and a 308, so when civillian cartridges and components are banned- you can still shoot. I like all the others can offer a hundred reasons not to get a WSM, and don't really care if they slide into obscurity as I have plenty of brass to last a good long while, and long after factory offerings have disappeared brass will be available. Though my own experience has been positive with them, and I have yet to experince any issues with cycling, lack of velocity, or being too redundant, I can not in good conscience reccomend them over other more time honored econmical cartridges, and definatly would not own one mysefl if limited to a 5 gun stable.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I have a 270WSM and so far its been good. The biggest pox against the WSM house is the cost of ammo and availability. If you choose one of these it pays to reload. So far my loads have chrony'd right in there. I actually prefer backing them down a bit from max.
Clay, I have never had a failure of any kind on this round. Have had extensive experience with the 300WSM also. No failures there either. All that being said I would only buy one again (a WSM gun)if it was a smoking deal. Then again I am a cheapskate and only buy anything if it is a smoking deal. I would not buy one of the SAUM's or the RCM's. I do think they will go the way of the dodo. Good luck finding ammo for any of those in BFE.

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from berky wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

If i could own any i would go with the 270wsm. I think it ios a great deer caliber and that what i mainly hunt. I actually own one to. It is a nice little gun the browning a bolt composite.

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

300 7 and 270 are the ones i own and i love the first 2 and like the third. I handload and find the 300 and 7mm to be the cat's tits. the 270 is great to but i am luke warm on 277's in general. The next "short magnum" for me is probably a 338-375 ruger, yeah sure it's 3006 length, but it's a healthy step up from the old 338 win (which I also love) I know none of these are neccesary, or maybe even practical in light of the 30 06, 7rem mag and 300 win mag, but I like em anyway, same as i love the Bob.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

The .325 is the only one that might interest me, but won't do much that a handloaded .35 Whelen won't do. Every article that I can recall seems to suggest that actual velocities aren't near what is advertised. I predict they will pass into obscurity in 10 years as will the RCM's.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

First of all I wouldn’t own a WSM, nothing but a fad cartridge. Because of the short fat cartridge I believe you will experience jaming in tight situations. I’ll stick to what I have, 22-50, 25-06, 6.5x55, 30-30, 30-06 and my 338 Win Mag. There are no Rhino’s on this cotenant and my 338 Win Mag was over kill on Moose and really wasted allot of rib meat on the Caribous I’ve taken. If you want to buy a WSM and pay extra money for an inferior cartridge in my book, GO FOR IT!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

175rltw

Good points.

I think some of the WSM's will be around as long as Winchester and Browning sell rifles so chambered. The .300 and .325 will likely be the one that last in popularity. You are right, I have not been deterred in my cartridge selection by popularity. But each has been around for quite some time and still loaded by major manufacturers. LOL

I just wonder how many of the WSM, WSSM, RSAUM, and RCM loads will be around in 10 years. Hopefully I'll be around to be proven wrong!

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from Swagger501 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I like the 300WSM. good cartridge for just about any north American big game with the exception of only the largest.

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I think in ten years we will still have the 300 wsm, and possibly the 270 wsm, though I think it's survival is a litle less likely, honestly it was the only one that was truly a breath of fresh air. the rest, I doubt will make it other than with one or maybe two loads, like the 284 win.

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

In an other than DGR rifle I'm fine with 2+1 or even a single shot in some cases. Recoil, and this is personal and very subjective, in.30 magnums shooting 180's and smaller is easily managed with good stock designs. For me recoil doesn't begin to matter until shooting 200 grainers in .30's and then of course 33 magnums are a really noticeable jolt. I'd tend to agree with you on the balance issue, and always prefer a rifle with the weight out front. Oddly enough I have a ruger compact in 308 with a 16.5 inch soda straw for a barrel that feel's fine though- unless you are staring through the scope for a while- in which case the thing seems to wander all over creation, but for 250 yrd or less shots that you are confident about adn xcan just point breath and shoot, it's nice. I'm pretty sure the 7 SAUM was aleways in trouble, I don't tink there has been a load introduced for it other than the 2-3 that came out concurrently with its anouncement. Not to hijack this worse than we have, but where do you stand on the 338 federal?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

175rltw

Agreed, recoil is subjective to a great extent. My son is tall and lanky and even a whomping by 10 ga turkey loads doesn't bother him.

The .338 Federal is a good cartridge by all accounts. Layne Simpson did a couple of good hunt/test articles and John Barsness did some good load comparisons between the .338 F and .358 Winchester, both good rounds currently chambered by Ruger in M-77's. I have a .308 Win and .358 Win, so I have only thought about the .338 Fed in passing, since there is not much of a niche that needs filling there. I believe it is a good round for someone hard over on short action rifles that is not into short magnum mania. I would think that it is a great round for handloaders. JMHO

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

sgaredneck

Bum F--- Egypt is a truly Southern term aptly describing many out of the way spots. I say that it is Southern only because I grew up in Alabama and lived in Georgia for several years and am certain that's where I first heard the term. While the Southern language might not be so refined, it certainly is flavorful! LMAO

Take care

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I lived in Hotlanta for a year and about 3 years in Columbus, GA.

Columbus is slightly outside of the geographic boundaries of Troy-Cairo-Scotland-Troy on the map. Columbus ain't BFE, but you can darn sure see it from there! :)

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Actually BFE is as much a state of mind as a place. Somewhere far, far away from Wal-mart, starbucks, malls, etc. In BFE you find your ammo at the pharmacy, or you may get it at an auto parts store. No 300SAUM or 338RCM to be found. They'll be glad to order it for you. You will need to sell an organ to pay for it when it comes in. Having an out of state tag or a different accent may bring on a 40% upcharge. You will have to convince some folks you didn't vote for Obama. Tell them you are hunting since it's in season and looking for your Great-Granddaddy's grave too, or you have kin here and the price will come back down.

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from shane wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I find the .270WSM to be moderately attractive, as it's the only option for faster .277 bullets that isn't a (pricey) Weatherby. Handloading the .270 Win takes care of a lot of that gap, though. I wonder what you can pull off rolling your own .270WSMs? Anybody have numbers?

I think the .325 is worth a darn too, it's nice for people that want to shoot something you would normally shoot with a .338, but can't take the recoil. .35 Whelen and .350 Rem. Mag (the original shortfat?) kind of take care of that, though.

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

BFE huh, I'm from Cherry Log GA, which is getting somewhat overrun with retirees now but still fits the bill. you can drive from my parents house to dahlonega and spend 3 miles of the 30 on pavement, though there are more efficient ways to get there. Waco ga where I lived for a couple years off the last exit in Ga on I-20 is the real mccoy as well. A Cherry Log story. North Ga is all 3rd growth hardwoods except for the paper company land in planted pines. its been loged a few times, so while its mature its not massive. My dad used to get liquor (apple brandy, the official moonshine of North Ga) from an Old timer each fall. It was about 5 years ago the last time we got any from him, and he said " Well, I dont spose folks'll be makin' any more liquor round here, for there ain't no wood to burn!" Dad nods and says "Well Dub I think what most folks are using is propane." Dub with hands in the bib of his overalls looks up at the sky and ponders a moment, then spit about a quart of tobbacco juice, wiped his chin, and said "Cookin' Gas!- I don't believe that'd work!" End of discussion, truely an oldtimer. a real tradionalist when it came to firing his still. I go see alot of the oldfolks when I'm back home and listen to the stories.

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from Sarge01 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I own a 300 WSM in a Tikka T 3 Lite . I have killed deer in Alabama at long ranges and deer in WV at short ranges. The cartridge does everything that I could expect a cartridge to do.

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from Hunt_Hard wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

My favorite WSM is the .325wsm. I just got one of these a couple months back and I love it. It really doesn't kick that bad and it looks tuff. The only downside is the bullets are a little expensive.

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

note, that's not a 338 rcm i am talking about

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

338-375 ruger may never make it out of obscurity as it is a wildcat and i doubt Ruger will legitimize it on the heels of the 338 RCM. As to velocities not matching the advertising, I would disagree, in 300 and 7mm WSM I can do at least as well (on a chrony, not just a gut feeling) as advertised, of course for pressures I am just going by pressure signs, so it is possible I am not holding strictly to SAMMI spec, but I get no sticky bolts or flattened or dimpled primers, and I don't exceed max loads in the manuals. 270 WSM I don't really mess with and should sell, but whatever. The RCM's due to the "propietary" powders obviously are a bad deal for handloaders and I doubt they meet the published propaganda an ddoubt they will ever amount to anything. The 338-375 Ruger I'm going to build when I get home will have the same case capacity as the 330 Dakota, but without the odd head size, and utilizing WAY cheaper parent brass.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

The clarify my previous post, I recall that few of the factory loads lived up to the propaganda velocities from Winchester. I could be wrong. I'm sure handloads are capable of reaching advertised velocities without pressure measurement. I don't think I have ever had a pressure sign indicated while sticking to max loads in a manual. Speaking of which, I have noticed some extreme spreads in max load data from various manuals for the same bullet wt/powder. That is somewhat disturbing.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I think I read that the 7mm Rem SAUM is in trouble already sales wise. If you look at last couple of year's ammo catalogs from Federal, Winchester, Hornady, & Remington and compare to the loads currently offered, you might be able to pick the ones going down the tube. When a major manufacturer drops loadings for it's proprietary cartridge, you can bet it is in trouble.

Also, if Cabela's, Bass Pro, MidwayUSA, Mid-South Shooter's Supply, and Natchez don't sell a load, you can be sure it's not in the hit parade.

I think the .300 WSM is ok, but why would one want a .300 magnum in a lighter rifle with smaller magazine capacity? I don't believe the recoil improves with a short case! A lighter action with a longer barrel doesn't balance very well either, but that's just me. I would have like to have won the Browning A-Bolt at the RMEF banquet and given it a whirl though. :)

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from 175rltw wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Yeah, I am 6'4" and 190, which helps immensely with recoil. I am considering rebarrelling my ruger compact as a 338 federal instead of the 308 win it is currently, probably go with an 18 inch tube instead of the 16.5 it is now, that seems like a dream gun for the timber to me, might get a full time job as my moose popper too. I've read Layne's articles on it, but haven't seen John's comparo between that and the 358. Youare quite the 35 fan huh? I have a 35 rem in an old marlin 336 that gets out once in a blue moon, but hasn't seen regular use in 14 years or so.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

I am your height + 40 pounds. I have no problem with the recoil of the .35's or my 7mm Weatherby, but I choose to avaiod the real stompers. My chiropracter is wealthy enough.

But I do need to get a Remington 760 or 762 pump action .35 Remington just to round out my classic .35 caliber non-magnum rifles. The .358 Shooting Times Alaskan and .358 Norma Magnum have way too much recoil to be of interest to me for use. I might buy one if it was too good a bargain to pass up, but doubt I would use either unless the grizzly bears start a jihad. Sooner or later, I'll run across a .35 Remington at a bargain too good to pass up. For a hunting cartridge, it holds no appeal to me, although it suits a lot of folks and has put a lot of deer on the pole.

So many rifles, so little time :(

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from jantonich wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Simply put the best WSM is the 7MM. It will tale down everything you hent in North America.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

What part of Ga, WA Mtnhunter?
BTW, Bumphuck(say it fast and spell it this way to avoid trouble) is the geographic region centrally located between Troy AL, Cairo GA, and Scotland GA.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter

I MOOSED UP!

I do own a 7.72 NATO M1A!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

7.62 fat fingers strile again!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

Darnet STRIKE!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

@Clay

I was having the same problem last night. Started out by dropping a pint jar of homemade sweet pickles that went all over the kitchen floor and ended up spilling a box of large rifle primers. Fat finger functions! LOL

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 31 weeks ago

As far as I'm concerned BFE is where it's at. Sounds like my kind of folks.

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from BigBboy25 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I like the .300 WSM but I don't think I'd buy a WSM honestly.

Question for you folks though:
What is more appealing to you, the .300 WSM or the .300 RSAUM?

Personally I'd lean towards the later of the two but that's just me.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I won't be owning any Super Short Stubby Mags but the .270 and .325 piqued my interest just a bit. Briefly

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from 007 wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter, your safe sounds like mine, less the 8mm, and my 7mm is a Remington and instead of the Whelen I hope to see my .338-06 this summer sometime. Back to the point, my cousin has a .223 WSSM. He usually has me to line things in for him and I could NOT get that .223 to group. He was providing factory ammo and I was embarassed to ask for more. On the other hand, he also has a .204 that shoots like a dream. Granted, individual rifles have something to do with accuray, but you could not give me a .223 WSSM after what I saw. On the other hand, if he ever wants to part with the .204..............I think the bulk of the WSM/WSSM's will fade into history rather quickly.

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