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Big Game Hunting

Buffalo with a .45-70

Uploaded on May 08, 2009

First the preamble...
I'm going to a place in November to shoot a buffalo. Not really a hunt, more a harvest, but the buffalo only let you get within about 100 yards. It's cheaper this way than buying it from the butcher like I did last time.

Now the question...
I'm planning on taking a Marlin lever action in .45-70. I've been shooting the 325 grain Hornady LeverEvolution bullets through that gun for about a year now, but only at paper. Is that enough bullet for a buffalo? I've seen a few posts where people have shot a buffalo with that bullet, but the pictures I've seen of recovered bullets make me wonder if the bullet will stay together enough. What do you think?

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from Big O wrote 4 years 49 weeks ago

Never shot a buffalo before, but if ti worked for the "cowboys" it should work for you. I'd post this on regular site and ask Mr. Cooper though. Sorry I could'nt help more.
Good luck and Good hunting.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 49 weeks ago

You shouldnt have a problem, if you do think you need something stouter check out Buffalo Bores ammo. No pun intented.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

First, I am envious as Hel* of you going on this hunt! As for the Hornady load for Buffalo hunting,I have read this load/bullet has taken a list of animals by Hornady staff to include Buffalo, and African game larger and tougher then American Bison with very good results. Rememeber most early Buffalo hunting was done with lead bullets in the 1200-1300FPS range that punched thru these animals.
Bottom line, I think this load will service you well for taking a Buffalo. But just in case you are interested; I have been shooting some Buffalo Bore 420 grain lead solids that will rattle your teeth for dear life. They will generate enough power to gut, skin, and package the Buff in one shot!
ps-The Buffalo ammo is not cheap, but I suppose your hunt is going to set you back a few green backs as well?

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from skippyjohnson wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Thanks for the feedback. I looked at the Buffalo Bore ammo. My concern there is that every discussion about ammo always comes back to shot placement. I know I can put a bullet where I want it with the Hornady ammo and the rifle. If I need to move up to a heavier bullet to get the job done, I'll do it. I just need some time to practice and heal the bruises on my shoulder. I'm asking now so I have the time to practice with other bullets if need be. I'm not a small guy, but I'm not a glutton for punishment. If I don't need to shoot the 420 grain suckers, I'm not going to.

Ralph - actually isn't costing a lot of green. I bought a third of a buffalo last year for $4 per pound. This is a cow hunt, so I'm paying $850 for the buffalo. By the time I pay for gas, food, and lodging, I'm still paying less than I paid last year for a third of a buffalo. I'm going with a guy from work. He's been to this place ever year for several years. I'm taking my ten-year old son along. The hard decision now is trying to decide if I should pay to get the hide cured. Not sure what I'd do with a huge buffalo skin. Would make a great blanket for the cabin I'll be able to afford someday. Will likely run about $500 to cure.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Sounds like it's going to be a nice hunt for you and your son;Good Luck!--I would get that hide tanned for blanket use; it's a Buffalo hide what a lasting memory and conversational piece it would make for years to come!

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I think this is plenty of lead. That said, i might not try to bust the shoulder with it, even though it probably would just fine. At ranges inside of 200 yds you have the perfect buffalo gun. Shoot him thru both lungs an go collect some awesome meat.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

Skippy,Care to share the outfitters name with the group?

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from NYhunter wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

the 45-70 is the origanal buffalo round.

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from jer4570 wrote 4 years 23 weeks ago

hope this post is not to late.i would use 405 grain instead of 350.i think 100 yards and under they would have more punch then flight.i wish clay posted on this. he really knows alot.500 grain work well on bison at 50 yards,the bullet climbs after that.the lever rev. shots you use are less punch and flatter flight for longer range.hope this helps wheres clay when ya need him

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from Judy Black wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Holy smokes...I had one in my sights at 20 yards and all I had was a Mathews bow and a 100 grain Pink Muzzy. What a freakin' rush.
Best of luck on your hunt, they are huge animals and good eating I hear.
Happy Hunting
JB

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Well, if you're not stuck on the 45-70, I'd just go with something more conventional and comfortable like a 300 Win Mag. Those Marlins are real shoulder-busters. Their .444 was absolutely murderous - for the shooter. I have one of the original Marlin lever actions, the Model 1881, in 40-60 (essentially a necked down 45-70). Have a tong loading tool for it but the slug it throws is not quite the right size. No accuracy. Some day I'd like to fix that and shoot something with it. But not a bison. The action is too weak for any beefy loads. Also the firing pin is too large diameter. Possibility of gas leaking and damaging my face. By the way, as I recall, the 45-70 Govt. was not designed to kill bison but rather American Indians.

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from Buglmin wrote 4 years 20 weeks ago

I killed buffalo for the past 4 years on a private ranch in Colorado that runs from 2000 to 5000 head on 20,000 acres. I've shot them as close as 50 yds and as far away as 200 yds. It's all in the shot placement. I've seen them go down with a .308, 30.06, 7mm mag. I've seen people shoot them 5 times with the .45-70 before they went down. It's all placement of the bullet. You need to shoot a little lower than usual to hit the kill zone. Don't put away your rifle until you know your animal isn't going anywhere. I had to shoot one cow 2 more times after I dropped with the first bullet and it stayed on the ground for 10 minutes. After I put my rifle up, it got up and walked away. This is the shat I had to take at 200 yds. Have fun and good luck.

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from Carney wrote 4 years 20 weeks ago

Like others this is on my bucket list as well... You are indeed fortunate!

I wouldn't dream of shooting a buffalo with anything except my 45-70! While I also have been shooting the leverevolution this year to get more yardage, I'd be inclined to shoot buffalo with a heavy lead bullet for penetration -- expansion and fragmentation are probably not your friend on buffalo sized animals.

You may want to check out Garret Cartridges www.garrettcartridges.com
Or Buffalo Bore
www.buffalobore.com

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from Carney wrote 4 years 20 weeks ago

CHANGED MY MIND...

Was out for a drive in the forest today and plinked with my 45-70. Just shooting cans off a stump at 50 yards offhand.
One of the bullets hit the stump = fresh douglas fir. The Hornady Flex Tip 325 grain bullet penetrated 9 inches. The recovered bullet mushroomed to .695 inches and weighed 260 grains. Apart from losing 45 grains of its original weight the bullet was remarkably intact. The copper jacket "petaled" and folded back at the canellure.

These are my own handloads = 47 grains of H4198 for a muzzle velocity of approximately 2050fps which is comparable to the factory loaded LeveRevolution. I do crimp a little tighter than the LeveRevolution.

So, I wouldn't be afraid of taking the Hornady ammo out against the buffalo. If it didn't fly apart or separate from its jacket at 50 yards through 9 inches of doug fir, it ought to stay together and penetrate deeply through hide, bone and muscle! Plus, you've got an effective range of 150 - 200 yards with the FTX bullets.

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from TNhunter wrote 4 years 18 weeks ago

i have no expierence with buffalo, not for lack of wanting it, but i know the old timers killed slews of the with the 45-70 and from my trials with the leveRevolution rounds in my 30-30 the shoot flatter and harder than anything else i could find in the caliber. I would that that would be plenty. Good Luck..

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from MLH wrote 4 years 18 weeks ago

So, the hunt should have been last month. What did you use and how did it go?

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from TJ wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

post pics.

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from MarlinMan wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

As for Ontario Honker I shot my dads 45-70 when I was 7 It didnt kick bad. Know for the question, I would handload a 405 grain softpoint at about 2000 fps.

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from alabamaoutlaw wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I think your chice of calibers is fine as long as you are confident of your skils as a marksman.For instance WDM bell killed 1011 elephants with a 7x57 without any problems.Jack 270 O'Conner's wife ellenor choose this same round for the dangerous game of Africa.Choose a good load and be confident that you can deliver it on target the 45/70 is gun enough.That buffalo robe will be worth every dime.Great hunting and may luck be with you.

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from jwallen wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I was lucky enough to draw a Delta Bison tag in Alaska a few years ago and the ADF&G required a 200 grain bullet and 2000 ft/lbs as the minimum load for Bison. Most of the one shot kills were produced with 30-06, 220gr loads. I chose the .338 Win. Mag, but didn't need all the power. The one thing to remember is that the hump makes the chest a lot higher and there is a tendency to shoot too high. The spine makes an s curve and is much lower than you would expect. I was amazed by how athletic the bison are. Your 45-70 should work just fine as long as you place your bullet correctly. Try emailing or calling Steve DuBois at the Delta ADF&G office. He has looked at literally thousands of bison taken in the Delta hunt and can give you some good advice as to suitability of your load and rifle. Have fun and take pictures!
Steve DuBois
ADF&G/Wildlife Conservation
P.O. Box 605
Delta Junction, AK 99737-0605
(907) 895-4484 phone
(907) 895-4833 fax

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from blueridge wrote 4 years 4 weeks ago

You have hit upon something more fun than almost anything else I have done. My wife and I went on a 'bucket list' hunt this February, and I killed a nice bull with a Sharps 45/70. He did get up, unexpectedly, and I had to put another round into his head, but that did the job perfectly. The guide preferred that I be careful about shot placement, so as to not ruin meat, unnecessarily. I used a 405 gr. cast, with gas check. I recommend the heavier bullet because the buff is so THICK...they are enormous creatures, and have enormous mass. They deserve a decent demise, in my humble opinion. However, you have already chosen the right caliber! Have fun, take big coolers for the meat...take pics, and have the thrill of a lifetime.

Blue

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 42 weeks ago

The 325 grain Hornady LeverEvolution bullet is more designed for deer and light game.

Federal Cartridge Fusion 45-70 Gov 300gr (Per 20)

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from gunsandoptics.b... wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Where and with whom did you book the buffalo hunt? I might be interested in one of those. I think you will be fine if you stick to the double lung shot with the 45-70 Leverevolution load.

The 325 grain FTX bullet as I understand it is a revamped Hornady Interlock type construction with the Interlocking ring moved back somewhat over the original design. It is supposed to be a fairly tough bullet, and of course the pointed elastic polymer nose does exactly what it is supposed to do.

I plan on using this load on a baited black bear hunt in Maine the first week of Sept, I have read several reviews concerning taking black bear with this load, including one where the hunter had a 300 pound plus black bear quartering towards him and shot him in the near shoulder and had complete penetration on the bear.

The accuracy in my Marlin mdl 1895 22" bbl is nothing short of amazing. I also did some limited water jug penetration testing with this load and other 45-70 loads and it held together well and mushroomed nicely. Penetration was on a par with the Buffalo Bore 405 grain JFN Expander load, except the BB bullet experienced separation of the jacket and core and the Leverevolution load held together. I have a couple of YouTube videos on my blog. Gunsandoptics.blogspot.com.

Dan

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from PigHunter wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

I killed a nice 9-point Whitetail last week with a NEF Handi-Rifle in .47-70 using the Hornady 325 grain LeverRevolution. He dropped right there. I'm very impressed with the load. (And curious how your buffalo hunt went).

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from DSMbirddog wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

I handload for my 45-70. I don't think the recoil is bad at all. My loads are a bit faster than factory stuff. If I were to buffalo hunt I would use the 405 gr bullet.

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from Rod-7-14-49 wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

For handloaders, Barnes makes a 400 grain bullet called their "Original" Barnes bullet. In my opinion a great penetrator at a reasonable cost. If memory servers right it is a heavy drawn copper jacket around a lead core. Using high end trapdoor load data for this cartridge, ME exceeds the original 1870's 550 grain 45-70-550 round. Using mid-range Load Data for the 188o's winchester lever action a significant increase in ME is gained. In a Modern Day, 1895 Marlin, and current day Load Data for that rifle you can approach the ME of Tom Selleck's 45-110 Sharps replica used in the movie "Quigley Down Under."

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from Carney wrote 4 years 20 weeks ago

CHANGED MY MIND...

Was out for a drive in the forest today and plinked with my 45-70. Just shooting cans off a stump at 50 yards offhand.
One of the bullets hit the stump = fresh douglas fir. The Hornady Flex Tip 325 grain bullet penetrated 9 inches. The recovered bullet mushroomed to .695 inches and weighed 260 grains. Apart from losing 45 grains of its original weight the bullet was remarkably intact. The copper jacket "petaled" and folded back at the canellure.

These are my own handloads = 47 grains of H4198 for a muzzle velocity of approximately 2050fps which is comparable to the factory loaded LeveRevolution. I do crimp a little tighter than the LeveRevolution.

So, I wouldn't be afraid of taking the Hornady ammo out against the buffalo. If it didn't fly apart or separate from its jacket at 50 yards through 9 inches of doug fir, it ought to stay together and penetrate deeply through hide, bone and muscle! Plus, you've got an effective range of 150 - 200 yards with the FTX bullets.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 49 weeks ago

You shouldnt have a problem, if you do think you need something stouter check out Buffalo Bores ammo. No pun intented.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

First, I am envious as Hel* of you going on this hunt! As for the Hornady load for Buffalo hunting,I have read this load/bullet has taken a list of animals by Hornady staff to include Buffalo, and African game larger and tougher then American Bison with very good results. Rememeber most early Buffalo hunting was done with lead bullets in the 1200-1300FPS range that punched thru these animals.
Bottom line, I think this load will service you well for taking a Buffalo. But just in case you are interested; I have been shooting some Buffalo Bore 420 grain lead solids that will rattle your teeth for dear life. They will generate enough power to gut, skin, and package the Buff in one shot!
ps-The Buffalo ammo is not cheap, but I suppose your hunt is going to set you back a few green backs as well?

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from skippyjohnson wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Thanks for the feedback. I looked at the Buffalo Bore ammo. My concern there is that every discussion about ammo always comes back to shot placement. I know I can put a bullet where I want it with the Hornady ammo and the rifle. If I need to move up to a heavier bullet to get the job done, I'll do it. I just need some time to practice and heal the bruises on my shoulder. I'm asking now so I have the time to practice with other bullets if need be. I'm not a small guy, but I'm not a glutton for punishment. If I don't need to shoot the 420 grain suckers, I'm not going to.

Ralph - actually isn't costing a lot of green. I bought a third of a buffalo last year for $4 per pound. This is a cow hunt, so I'm paying $850 for the buffalo. By the time I pay for gas, food, and lodging, I'm still paying less than I paid last year for a third of a buffalo. I'm going with a guy from work. He's been to this place ever year for several years. I'm taking my ten-year old son along. The hard decision now is trying to decide if I should pay to get the hide cured. Not sure what I'd do with a huge buffalo skin. Would make a great blanket for the cabin I'll be able to afford someday. Will likely run about $500 to cure.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I think this is plenty of lead. That said, i might not try to bust the shoulder with it, even though it probably would just fine. At ranges inside of 200 yds you have the perfect buffalo gun. Shoot him thru both lungs an go collect some awesome meat.

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

Skippy,Care to share the outfitters name with the group?

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from NYhunter wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

the 45-70 is the origanal buffalo round.

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from Judy Black wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Holy smokes...I had one in my sights at 20 yards and all I had was a Mathews bow and a 100 grain Pink Muzzy. What a freakin' rush.
Best of luck on your hunt, they are huge animals and good eating I hear.
Happy Hunting
JB

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from Buglmin wrote 4 years 20 weeks ago

I killed buffalo for the past 4 years on a private ranch in Colorado that runs from 2000 to 5000 head on 20,000 acres. I've shot them as close as 50 yds and as far away as 200 yds. It's all in the shot placement. I've seen them go down with a .308, 30.06, 7mm mag. I've seen people shoot them 5 times with the .45-70 before they went down. It's all placement of the bullet. You need to shoot a little lower than usual to hit the kill zone. Don't put away your rifle until you know your animal isn't going anywhere. I had to shoot one cow 2 more times after I dropped with the first bullet and it stayed on the ground for 10 minutes. After I put my rifle up, it got up and walked away. This is the shat I had to take at 200 yds. Have fun and good luck.

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from Carney wrote 4 years 20 weeks ago

Like others this is on my bucket list as well... You are indeed fortunate!

I wouldn't dream of shooting a buffalo with anything except my 45-70! While I also have been shooting the leverevolution this year to get more yardage, I'd be inclined to shoot buffalo with a heavy lead bullet for penetration -- expansion and fragmentation are probably not your friend on buffalo sized animals.

You may want to check out Garret Cartridges www.garrettcartridges.com
Or Buffalo Bore
www.buffalobore.com

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from blueridge wrote 4 years 4 weeks ago

You have hit upon something more fun than almost anything else I have done. My wife and I went on a 'bucket list' hunt this February, and I killed a nice bull with a Sharps 45/70. He did get up, unexpectedly, and I had to put another round into his head, but that did the job perfectly. The guide preferred that I be careful about shot placement, so as to not ruin meat, unnecessarily. I used a 405 gr. cast, with gas check. I recommend the heavier bullet because the buff is so THICK...they are enormous creatures, and have enormous mass. They deserve a decent demise, in my humble opinion. However, you have already chosen the right caliber! Have fun, take big coolers for the meat...take pics, and have the thrill of a lifetime.

Blue

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from Big O wrote 4 years 49 weeks ago

Never shot a buffalo before, but if ti worked for the "cowboys" it should work for you. I'd post this on regular site and ask Mr. Cooper though. Sorry I could'nt help more.
Good luck and Good hunting.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Sounds like it's going to be a nice hunt for you and your son;Good Luck!--I would get that hide tanned for blanket use; it's a Buffalo hide what a lasting memory and conversational piece it would make for years to come!

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from jer4570 wrote 4 years 23 weeks ago

hope this post is not to late.i would use 405 grain instead of 350.i think 100 yards and under they would have more punch then flight.i wish clay posted on this. he really knows alot.500 grain work well on bison at 50 yards,the bullet climbs after that.the lever rev. shots you use are less punch and flatter flight for longer range.hope this helps wheres clay when ya need him

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from TNhunter wrote 4 years 18 weeks ago

i have no expierence with buffalo, not for lack of wanting it, but i know the old timers killed slews of the with the 45-70 and from my trials with the leveRevolution rounds in my 30-30 the shoot flatter and harder than anything else i could find in the caliber. I would that that would be plenty. Good Luck..

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from MLH wrote 4 years 18 weeks ago

So, the hunt should have been last month. What did you use and how did it go?

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from TJ wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

post pics.

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from MarlinMan wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

As for Ontario Honker I shot my dads 45-70 when I was 7 It didnt kick bad. Know for the question, I would handload a 405 grain softpoint at about 2000 fps.

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from alabamaoutlaw wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I think your chice of calibers is fine as long as you are confident of your skils as a marksman.For instance WDM bell killed 1011 elephants with a 7x57 without any problems.Jack 270 O'Conner's wife ellenor choose this same round for the dangerous game of Africa.Choose a good load and be confident that you can deliver it on target the 45/70 is gun enough.That buffalo robe will be worth every dime.Great hunting and may luck be with you.

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from jwallen wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I was lucky enough to draw a Delta Bison tag in Alaska a few years ago and the ADF&G required a 200 grain bullet and 2000 ft/lbs as the minimum load for Bison. Most of the one shot kills were produced with 30-06, 220gr loads. I chose the .338 Win. Mag, but didn't need all the power. The one thing to remember is that the hump makes the chest a lot higher and there is a tendency to shoot too high. The spine makes an s curve and is much lower than you would expect. I was amazed by how athletic the bison are. Your 45-70 should work just fine as long as you place your bullet correctly. Try emailing or calling Steve DuBois at the Delta ADF&G office. He has looked at literally thousands of bison taken in the Delta hunt and can give you some good advice as to suitability of your load and rifle. Have fun and take pictures!
Steve DuBois
ADF&G/Wildlife Conservation
P.O. Box 605
Delta Junction, AK 99737-0605
(907) 895-4484 phone
(907) 895-4833 fax

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from gunsandoptics.b... wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

Where and with whom did you book the buffalo hunt? I might be interested in one of those. I think you will be fine if you stick to the double lung shot with the 45-70 Leverevolution load.

The 325 grain FTX bullet as I understand it is a revamped Hornady Interlock type construction with the Interlocking ring moved back somewhat over the original design. It is supposed to be a fairly tough bullet, and of course the pointed elastic polymer nose does exactly what it is supposed to do.

I plan on using this load on a baited black bear hunt in Maine the first week of Sept, I have read several reviews concerning taking black bear with this load, including one where the hunter had a 300 pound plus black bear quartering towards him and shot him in the near shoulder and had complete penetration on the bear.

The accuracy in my Marlin mdl 1895 22" bbl is nothing short of amazing. I also did some limited water jug penetration testing with this load and other 45-70 loads and it held together well and mushroomed nicely. Penetration was on a par with the Buffalo Bore 405 grain JFN Expander load, except the BB bullet experienced separation of the jacket and core and the Leverevolution load held together. I have a couple of YouTube videos on my blog. Gunsandoptics.blogspot.com.

Dan

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from PigHunter wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

I killed a nice 9-point Whitetail last week with a NEF Handi-Rifle in .47-70 using the Hornady 325 grain LeverRevolution. He dropped right there. I'm very impressed with the load. (And curious how your buffalo hunt went).

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from DSMbirddog wrote 3 years 10 weeks ago

I handload for my 45-70. I don't think the recoil is bad at all. My loads are a bit faster than factory stuff. If I were to buffalo hunt I would use the 405 gr bullet.

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from Rod-7-14-49 wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

For handloaders, Barnes makes a 400 grain bullet called their "Original" Barnes bullet. In my opinion a great penetrator at a reasonable cost. If memory servers right it is a heavy drawn copper jacket around a lead core. Using high end trapdoor load data for this cartridge, ME exceeds the original 1870's 550 grain 45-70-550 round. Using mid-range Load Data for the 188o's winchester lever action a significant increase in ME is gained. In a Modern Day, 1895 Marlin, and current day Load Data for that rifle you can approach the ME of Tom Selleck's 45-110 Sharps replica used in the movie "Quigley Down Under."

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 42 weeks ago

The 325 grain Hornady LeverEvolution bullet is more designed for deer and light game.

Federal Cartridge Fusion 45-70 Gov 300gr (Per 20)

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Well, if you're not stuck on the 45-70, I'd just go with something more conventional and comfortable like a 300 Win Mag. Those Marlins are real shoulder-busters. Their .444 was absolutely murderous - for the shooter. I have one of the original Marlin lever actions, the Model 1881, in 40-60 (essentially a necked down 45-70). Have a tong loading tool for it but the slug it throws is not quite the right size. No accuracy. Some day I'd like to fix that and shoot something with it. But not a bison. The action is too weak for any beefy loads. Also the firing pin is too large diameter. Possibility of gas leaking and damaging my face. By the way, as I recall, the 45-70 Govt. was not designed to kill bison but rather American Indians.

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