Bird Hunting
I'm about to head into college but I'm looking to get a bird dog or two in the next few years, but I want to be sure about my decision, hence why I'm already thinking about it. What kind of dog would you recommend for ducks, geese, and/or pheasants?
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I would recommend a Lab. Excellent retriever for the waterfowl and with training will work close on the pheasants.
I would agree with wags, you might look at a blood line that points for the pheasants. Kelloggs Kennel's in South Dakota is an excellent line that offer all 3 colors but they don't have a website that I know of.
I have to say the same lab's are your best bet. I got my lab for free and I train him my self if you have the time train your dog to what you want it's the best feeling in the world when your hunting buddy brings that first bird back and you trained him or her to do just that.Play hard and hunt harder.
The only other kind of dog I have heard of that makes a great bird dog is a Weimeraner. We had two that we had to get rid of and even though I never trained them as bird dogs I only heard good things about them. The dog trainer here in town said she has seen a Weim get trained to go up to a closed gate, lift up the latch, open the gate, close it behind him, and put the latch down. We have a black lab now and she is also great. My neighbor hunts duck and he has two brown labs he uses.
id say lab but i heard beagles and springer spaniels work better
I would definately say a Lab. I've hunted with labs for waterfowl and pheasant and you just can't beat um.
Labs are great, there is a reason they are our most popular breed, they will hunt with a passion but can be great companions and pets. If you are just going into college a good dog can also double as a chick magnet wink wink ;).
I would recommend either a Lab or a Cheasepeek Bay Retriever both I think are great hunting dogs. I am in the same exact situation as you and plan on doing the same thing.
I used to breed labs for awhile and we started with female who was a search and rescue dog in her former life. She was older but her nose was incredible. I found a male that was tiny and was way to energetic. Their kids turned out great. I now have a lab that retrives ducks and geese and will point. From my experience and understanding not all labs will point. So if you want to quail or pheasant hunt make sure you spend time with them first. When they were pups I would dangle a duck or quail feather at the end of my fishing rod and see which pups would point. Anyway, later on your wife will love you for choosing a lab.
The type of hunting you'll do most might influence your choice.
Lots of water retrieves in cold weather for geese would indicate a large Lab or Chessie----mostly pheasants could lean you toward an English Pointer, Setter, Weimaner, German Shorthair or Brittany. Whatever you choose, do serious research for a good breeder and save money. Get your deposit in early! If you can train the dog yourself, there have been lots of good dogs in shelters and rescuing one of them is also a noble thing to do. We have a great little house dog my wife rescued but I just put a deposit on a Brittany pup.... :-)
As a footnote: Would anyone like to share some possible names for my new Brittany Pup? I'm making a list to consult once I get acquainted with him.... :-)
lab. very versatile
Lab, but keep anything you want to keep, out of the pups reach. This includes furniture, wood, metal, anything. Do not be fooled into thinking "there is no way he could chew that up", trust me he can and he will!
May I suggest you look into a versitle hunting dog. Versitile breeds point, retrieve on land and water and track. Look for a NAVHDA club in your area. If you go to their training sessions you'll get to see many breeds work and make your choice. I have a pudelpointer and would not have another dog,her nose is much better than any of my labs. I trained labs for 30 years, but wanted something that would point.
NAVHDA clubs are the most helpful people you will ever meet and are glad to help you train. Some of the versitle breeds are: Brittany,German short and long haired pointers, wire haired pointing griffon,small musterlanders,spinoni, visla,Wiemeraner(sp),pudelpointer,and more, each with it's own good points. Most are good house dogs.
I have hunted with many dogs. In my opinion the Lab is the best all around choice. My lab is a great hunter and is also the family pet. She has a great temperment and is an awsome retriever. She will work for anyone. What ever you decide on I strongly recommend purchaseing Water Dog the DVD for a training tool.
Wimeys!!!! Just an awesome breed mine is my upland princess, but not the best waterfowler, she goes for ducks but not her favotite activity shes great field hunting but noi\t the greatest water dog, but if I wanted a hardcore duck dog would have got a lab. Major bonus is my Slick Silver Sneaker Snatcher is a great companion she switches between pet and bird dog better than any other dog I have ever had, plus bird dogs are supposed to be high energy, since the season ended my wiemerarner Ava has been firmly installed on the sofa with no ill effects, when oct. rolls around she will be rarin' to go after the birds but Jan.-Aug. she just hangs with my kids and snoozes on the sofa contradiction yes bird dogs are supposed to be wide open all the time, but you won't hear me complaine aboput my "lazy" bird dog!!!!!
I believe a lab is a utility dog that with some simple obedience and more advanced training you could teach them to do almost anything.
Don't get a bird dog. Get a hunting companion. If you are primarily a water fowl hunter, get the hunting companion----a Labrador Retriever.
My lab points.
AS I WAS COMING UP I WAS LUCKY TO HAVE RELATIVES THAT RAISED BRITIANYS AND LABS.IT WAS THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.I'VE HUNTED WITH MANYKINDS OF DOGS SINCE. MY CURRENT COMPANION IS A CHESSIE/CHOCOLATE LAB.HE WAS EASY TO TRAIN AND LOVES TO HUNT.I STRONGLY SUGGEST GATHER ALL THE IMFORMATION YOU CAN BEFORE YOU FIND YOUR NEW PUP.GOODLUCK AND HAPPY HUNTING!!!
Well I am curious if I would have any luck training a German Short hair to track wounded whitetail while still excelling in duck retrieving, and quail pointing?
My weim is a strong swimmer/retriever/gun dog. Very smart and loyal and extremely versatile. However they require mental stimulation and exercise. Just like with any other breed, I would recommend checking the bloodline for waterfowl and bird hunting, some weims aren't as prone to being water dogs.
I am new to this forum, but not to the versatile breeds, I am a senior judge for NAVHDA and travel all over the country to judge our tests. You really need to wait till you can devote your time to a dog/puppy they are as demanding as children and need alot of your time if you want them to be well rounded at home and the field I personally have German Wirehairs and one Bracco Italiano.The wires can do it all but need a experienced owner most of the time.They are Idel for Birds or Blood tracking.
For what its worth, if you are looking for a dog with shed loads of energy, that will retrieve in anything, and hunt all day. For me its a Cocker Spaniel, might be that's my gun dog.
But I agree with the team above, if its for some pheasants but mostly jumping in the water to get ducks/geese and a bit of bird hunting....Lab...hard to beat. or a Flat coat Retriever
Think about amount of energy needed, if the dog is going to set in a hide for hours and then get the goodies out of the water, vs. going through every brush pile around, every clump of hedge..
Bryan Nelson
I have many breeds of Hunting dogs from upland an waterfowl breeds. Choose the animal that best suits your interest. Hands down Labs for waterfowl make the best dog. I also can suggest for the most part it may not make sense have had the best luck with Chocolate labs. I have had every other color but they make the best hunting animal as well as companion. Even better than a wife at times!!!! As for upland I would choose the german short hair and wirehaired pointer breeds. Britany and springers tend to tire more easy. You dont always have to spend alot of money on an animal. Many time peaple put too much stock in K-9 bloodline and not how the dogs that sired the animal actually performed. I have purchesed dogs in the thousands and actually aquired a rescue lab with no history and she was my best dog and best friend.
Get a wirehaired pointing griffon.
I have a pointing lab and she is great in waterfowl and upland. if you interested ill give you the name and info of the breeder i bought her form.
I'm also new to the forum so bear with my fumbling. This is from my post in the answers section:
"Labs are the best. Color doesn't matter. Best retriever I ever had was actually a lab-golden cross but she looked like a small black lab. Probably no more than 50 pounds dripping wet but she was wicked on big western honkers. She loved the challenge. Also a guided missile on blind retrieves. I have two black females now - 55 and 65 lbs. They are a great team. Great for pheasant hunting as well. Both work close and the smaller one will even point if the birds will hold. She flushed and retrieved her first bird (hungarian partridge) at age three months and three days. She never looked back after that. Labs generally have a wonderful attitude and want to please."
I would also suggest you get two dogs if you have the time and facilities. I always only had one until recently. These two keep each other occupied and both are much fitter now that they live together. Originally bought the younger one when I was working out of town and living alone.
Although I have never trained a dog, I have been around many different breeds in a number of capacities.
Here are some thoughts:
First, (sorry if I may sound like your father, but I feel it's obligatory) think long and hard before getting your dog in college. Most guys (and I'm not very far out from graduation)I knew would get a dog, get tired of it and it would turn into a hellion without enough exercise. One had a wonderful lab, but he had it sent to special dog boot camp which wasn't cheap. Just make sure you have the time, because this little pup is going to depend on you completely for everything in its life.
Breeds:
First, here is the list of hunting dogs: http://www.akc.org/breeds/sporting_group.cfm
I would start my reading about them on akc.og, then try this website (or really any number of ones to help you familiarize yourself with the breeds): http://www.terrificpets.com/dog_breeds/
Go to the bookstore and spend an afternoon narrowing down your choice based on size, temperament, and exercise. Because the truth is this is first and foremost going to be your companion for the next, God willing, 15 years. He'll probably be the one helping you pick our your wife. Then consider your hunting requirements. Most dogs, in my experience, are smart and can get into whatever you require of them.
The versatile dogs are excellent, but with that versatility may come a fervor that can be hard to contain.
Vizsla's are wonderful, but very high energy. A "velco" dog, as in, they don't do well at home alone. I have attended 3 Vizlsa field trials and can tell you they can and will hunt anything under the sun or over the water. And they look good doing it.
Lab's are terrific for anything and everything, but make sure you get a good line because of over breeding (if money isn't an issue try http://www.uklabs.com/ up here in Oxford Mississippi for the top Labs in the world).
American Water Spaniel, Boykin Spaniel, or a Springer are three excellent dogs. The AWS and Boykin are lowER energy than your typical gun dog, and both are absolutely outstanding at upland and waterfowling. They are smaller breeds, too, and are generally better suited for apartment life.
The boykin is not registered with the AKC but you can find a breeder through their society: http://www.boykinspaniel.org/. They are very popular with Mississippi duck hunting. The AWS is very similar to the Boykin, a good friend of mine has one and we have hunted dove, quail and duck over it. Not as flashy as some of the other breeds, but hardworking and very kindhearted.
I would not go to GWP, GSP, or a Chessie, they are notorious for giving inexperienced handlers hell. GSP's are nuts as far as I'm concerned.
If you have experience with hunting and experience training/have a good mentor you can look into the VDD. Essentially the elite of the elite dog hunting world. Verein Deutsche Drathaar, a line of German Wirehair specially bred to do it all. Upland, Waterfowl, deer tracking. However, their breeders are highly selective about who they sell too..it's almost a cult. But they are hands down the special forces of the dog world.
http://www.vdd-gna.org/
I hope I didn't ramble, that's my two cents, for whatever it is worth.
By the way, GWP = German Wirehaired Pointer and GSP = German Shorthair Pointer. Shorthairs used to be the dingalings of the hunting dog world but in recent years I have seen some really fine ones. They are not very universal as a hunting dog (won't work retrieving in cold water) and they are generally rather hyper. I think I'd look into a Brittany if you want a smaller dog. Wonderful disposition and great little hunters. They absolutely adore their owners - usually.
Southern's advice about making sure you are willing or able to give the time is very good. I picked up my last lab pup when I was working out of town and living alone. I could come home during lunch to let her out of the crate and occasionally took her to the office. The job wasn't overly physical so I usually had enough energy for her when I got home. And I decided to get the dog rather than TV or internet connection. What else could I do when I was home but spend time with the pup? She turned out to be a peach, getting birds at three months. I didn't find it to be demanding, just rewarding. However, your situation will be different. If you have someone to help you out (i.e. roommate or parents) I'd say go for it. But I know from my own extensive college experience (including PhD) that your studies will (or should) dominate your life when you're at school.
I disagree with the over-breeding caution for labs. They are AKC's most popular breed in America for something like nine years in a row. This has helped ensure a very broad gene pool. Perhaps the broadest gene pool of any dogs in the country. Hip problems are much rarer now than they were when I was a kid. It seems that the up and coming genetic problem for them is epilepsy. I would caution against buying a lab from a shade tree breeding farm or a pet store. Look closely at the disposition of the parents. And don't shy away from a cross-breed. Hands down the best dog I ever owned or probably ever will own was a little lab/golden cross. She was a spectacular hunter and even people who didn't like dogs loved her.
I think, girls like CHihuahua.
Boys like terrier. but you can find out another good species. when you ask , then you should review all other species as well.
What you need is a gun dog you will work with a lot. And by alot I mean to like you, and you spend a lot of time communicating with. I've proven this over a number of times. I've gotten dogs out of the dog pound that look like they'd be a good gun dog. They are always pups, and I ask a lot of questions...then I spend a lot of enjoyambe time with them. I can tell them to go fetch me the paper outside, and they will bring it in to men. All have made very, very good gun dogs.
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I would recommend a Lab. Excellent retriever for the waterfowl and with training will work close on the pheasants.
I would agree with wags, you might look at a blood line that points for the pheasants. Kelloggs Kennel's in South Dakota is an excellent line that offer all 3 colors but they don't have a website that I know of.
I have to say the same lab's are your best bet. I got my lab for free and I train him my self if you have the time train your dog to what you want it's the best feeling in the world when your hunting buddy brings that first bird back and you trained him or her to do just that.Play hard and hunt harder.
May I suggest you look into a versitle hunting dog. Versitile breeds point, retrieve on land and water and track. Look for a NAVHDA club in your area. If you go to their training sessions you'll get to see many breeds work and make your choice. I have a pudelpointer and would not have another dog,her nose is much better than any of my labs. I trained labs for 30 years, but wanted something that would point.
NAVHDA clubs are the most helpful people you will ever meet and are glad to help you train. Some of the versitle breeds are: Brittany,German short and long haired pointers, wire haired pointing griffon,small musterlanders,spinoni, visla,Wiemeraner(sp),pudelpointer,and more, each with it's own good points. Most are good house dogs.
I believe a lab is a utility dog that with some simple obedience and more advanced training you could teach them to do almost anything.
lab. very versatile
I would recommend either a Lab or a Cheasepeek Bay Retriever both I think are great hunting dogs. I am in the same exact situation as you and plan on doing the same thing.
The only other kind of dog I have heard of that makes a great bird dog is a Weimeraner. We had two that we had to get rid of and even though I never trained them as bird dogs I only heard good things about them. The dog trainer here in town said she has seen a Weim get trained to go up to a closed gate, lift up the latch, open the gate, close it behind him, and put the latch down. We have a black lab now and she is also great. My neighbor hunts duck and he has two brown labs he uses.
I used to breed labs for awhile and we started with female who was a search and rescue dog in her former life. She was older but her nose was incredible. I found a male that was tiny and was way to energetic. Their kids turned out great. I now have a lab that retrives ducks and geese and will point. From my experience and understanding not all labs will point. So if you want to quail or pheasant hunt make sure you spend time with them first. When they were pups I would dangle a duck or quail feather at the end of my fishing rod and see which pups would point. Anyway, later on your wife will love you for choosing a lab.
I would definately say a Lab. I've hunted with labs for waterfowl and pheasant and you just can't beat um.
Labs are great, there is a reason they are our most popular breed, they will hunt with a passion but can be great companions and pets. If you are just going into college a good dog can also double as a chick magnet wink wink ;).
Lab, but keep anything you want to keep, out of the pups reach. This includes furniture, wood, metal, anything. Do not be fooled into thinking "there is no way he could chew that up", trust me he can and he will!
My lab points.
I have hunted with many dogs. In my opinion the Lab is the best all around choice. My lab is a great hunter and is also the family pet. She has a great temperment and is an awsome retriever. She will work for anyone. What ever you decide on I strongly recommend purchaseing Water Dog the DVD for a training tool.
Don't get a bird dog. Get a hunting companion. If you are primarily a water fowl hunter, get the hunting companion----a Labrador Retriever.
AS I WAS COMING UP I WAS LUCKY TO HAVE RELATIVES THAT RAISED BRITIANYS AND LABS.IT WAS THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.I'VE HUNTED WITH MANYKINDS OF DOGS SINCE. MY CURRENT COMPANION IS A CHESSIE/CHOCOLATE LAB.HE WAS EASY TO TRAIN AND LOVES TO HUNT.I STRONGLY SUGGEST GATHER ALL THE IMFORMATION YOU CAN BEFORE YOU FIND YOUR NEW PUP.GOODLUCK AND HAPPY HUNTING!!!
The type of hunting you'll do most might influence your choice.
Lots of water retrieves in cold weather for geese would indicate a large Lab or Chessie----mostly pheasants could lean you toward an English Pointer, Setter, Weimaner, German Shorthair or Brittany. Whatever you choose, do serious research for a good breeder and save money. Get your deposit in early! If you can train the dog yourself, there have been lots of good dogs in shelters and rescuing one of them is also a noble thing to do. We have a great little house dog my wife rescued but I just put a deposit on a Brittany pup.... :-)
As a footnote: Would anyone like to share some possible names for my new Brittany Pup? I'm making a list to consult once I get acquainted with him.... :-)
Wimeys!!!! Just an awesome breed mine is my upland princess, but not the best waterfowler, she goes for ducks but not her favotite activity shes great field hunting but noi\t the greatest water dog, but if I wanted a hardcore duck dog would have got a lab. Major bonus is my Slick Silver Sneaker Snatcher is a great companion she switches between pet and bird dog better than any other dog I have ever had, plus bird dogs are supposed to be high energy, since the season ended my wiemerarner Ava has been firmly installed on the sofa with no ill effects, when oct. rolls around she will be rarin' to go after the birds but Jan.-Aug. she just hangs with my kids and snoozes on the sofa contradiction yes bird dogs are supposed to be wide open all the time, but you won't hear me complaine aboput my "lazy" bird dog!!!!!
I have a pointing lab and she is great in waterfowl and upland. if you interested ill give you the name and info of the breeder i bought her form.
Well I am curious if I would have any luck training a German Short hair to track wounded whitetail while still excelling in duck retrieving, and quail pointing?
Get a wirehaired pointing griffon.
My weim is a strong swimmer/retriever/gun dog. Very smart and loyal and extremely versatile. However they require mental stimulation and exercise. Just like with any other breed, I would recommend checking the bloodline for waterfowl and bird hunting, some weims aren't as prone to being water dogs.
I am new to this forum, but not to the versatile breeds, I am a senior judge for NAVHDA and travel all over the country to judge our tests. You really need to wait till you can devote your time to a dog/puppy they are as demanding as children and need alot of your time if you want them to be well rounded at home and the field I personally have German Wirehairs and one Bracco Italiano.The wires can do it all but need a experienced owner most of the time.They are Idel for Birds or Blood tracking.
For what its worth, if you are looking for a dog with shed loads of energy, that will retrieve in anything, and hunt all day. For me its a Cocker Spaniel, might be that's my gun dog.
But I agree with the team above, if its for some pheasants but mostly jumping in the water to get ducks/geese and a bit of bird hunting....Lab...hard to beat. or a Flat coat Retriever
Think about amount of energy needed, if the dog is going to set in a hide for hours and then get the goodies out of the water, vs. going through every brush pile around, every clump of hedge..
Bryan Nelson
I have many breeds of Hunting dogs from upland an waterfowl breeds. Choose the animal that best suits your interest. Hands down Labs for waterfowl make the best dog. I also can suggest for the most part it may not make sense have had the best luck with Chocolate labs. I have had every other color but they make the best hunting animal as well as companion. Even better than a wife at times!!!! As for upland I would choose the german short hair and wirehaired pointer breeds. Britany and springers tend to tire more easy. You dont always have to spend alot of money on an animal. Many time peaple put too much stock in K-9 bloodline and not how the dogs that sired the animal actually performed. I have purchesed dogs in the thousands and actually aquired a rescue lab with no history and she was my best dog and best friend.
I'm also new to the forum so bear with my fumbling. This is from my post in the answers section:
"Labs are the best. Color doesn't matter. Best retriever I ever had was actually a lab-golden cross but she looked like a small black lab. Probably no more than 50 pounds dripping wet but she was wicked on big western honkers. She loved the challenge. Also a guided missile on blind retrieves. I have two black females now - 55 and 65 lbs. They are a great team. Great for pheasant hunting as well. Both work close and the smaller one will even point if the birds will hold. She flushed and retrieved her first bird (hungarian partridge) at age three months and three days. She never looked back after that. Labs generally have a wonderful attitude and want to please."
I would also suggest you get two dogs if you have the time and facilities. I always only had one until recently. These two keep each other occupied and both are much fitter now that they live together. Originally bought the younger one when I was working out of town and living alone.
By the way, GWP = German Wirehaired Pointer and GSP = German Shorthair Pointer. Shorthairs used to be the dingalings of the hunting dog world but in recent years I have seen some really fine ones. They are not very universal as a hunting dog (won't work retrieving in cold water) and they are generally rather hyper. I think I'd look into a Brittany if you want a smaller dog. Wonderful disposition and great little hunters. They absolutely adore their owners - usually.
Southern's advice about making sure you are willing or able to give the time is very good. I picked up my last lab pup when I was working out of town and living alone. I could come home during lunch to let her out of the crate and occasionally took her to the office. The job wasn't overly physical so I usually had enough energy for her when I got home. And I decided to get the dog rather than TV or internet connection. What else could I do when I was home but spend time with the pup? She turned out to be a peach, getting birds at three months. I didn't find it to be demanding, just rewarding. However, your situation will be different. If you have someone to help you out (i.e. roommate or parents) I'd say go for it. But I know from my own extensive college experience (including PhD) that your studies will (or should) dominate your life when you're at school.
I disagree with the over-breeding caution for labs. They are AKC's most popular breed in America for something like nine years in a row. This has helped ensure a very broad gene pool. Perhaps the broadest gene pool of any dogs in the country. Hip problems are much rarer now than they were when I was a kid. It seems that the up and coming genetic problem for them is epilepsy. I would caution against buying a lab from a shade tree breeding farm or a pet store. Look closely at the disposition of the parents. And don't shy away from a cross-breed. Hands down the best dog I ever owned or probably ever will own was a little lab/golden cross. She was a spectacular hunter and even people who didn't like dogs loved her.
What you need is a gun dog you will work with a lot. And by alot I mean to like you, and you spend a lot of time communicating with. I've proven this over a number of times. I've gotten dogs out of the dog pound that look like they'd be a good gun dog. They are always pups, and I ask a lot of questions...then I spend a lot of enjoyambe time with them. I can tell them to go fetch me the paper outside, and they will bring it in to men. All have made very, very good gun dogs.
I think, girls like CHihuahua.
Boys like terrier. but you can find out another good species. when you ask , then you should review all other species as well.
Although I have never trained a dog, I have been around many different breeds in a number of capacities.
Here are some thoughts:
First, (sorry if I may sound like your father, but I feel it's obligatory) think long and hard before getting your dog in college. Most guys (and I'm not very far out from graduation)I knew would get a dog, get tired of it and it would turn into a hellion without enough exercise. One had a wonderful lab, but he had it sent to special dog boot camp which wasn't cheap. Just make sure you have the time, because this little pup is going to depend on you completely for everything in its life.
Breeds:
First, here is the list of hunting dogs: http://www.akc.org/breeds/sporting_group.cfm
I would start my reading about them on akc.og, then try this website (or really any number of ones to help you familiarize yourself with the breeds): http://www.terrificpets.com/dog_breeds/
Go to the bookstore and spend an afternoon narrowing down your choice based on size, temperament, and exercise. Because the truth is this is first and foremost going to be your companion for the next, God willing, 15 years. He'll probably be the one helping you pick our your wife. Then consider your hunting requirements. Most dogs, in my experience, are smart and can get into whatever you require of them.
The versatile dogs are excellent, but with that versatility may come a fervor that can be hard to contain.
Vizsla's are wonderful, but very high energy. A "velco" dog, as in, they don't do well at home alone. I have attended 3 Vizlsa field trials and can tell you they can and will hunt anything under the sun or over the water. And they look good doing it.
Lab's are terrific for anything and everything, but make sure you get a good line because of over breeding (if money isn't an issue try http://www.uklabs.com/ up here in Oxford Mississippi for the top Labs in the world).
American Water Spaniel, Boykin Spaniel, or a Springer are three excellent dogs. The AWS and Boykin are lowER energy than your typical gun dog, and both are absolutely outstanding at upland and waterfowling. They are smaller breeds, too, and are generally better suited for apartment life.
The boykin is not registered with the AKC but you can find a breeder through their society: http://www.boykinspaniel.org/. They are very popular with Mississippi duck hunting. The AWS is very similar to the Boykin, a good friend of mine has one and we have hunted dove, quail and duck over it. Not as flashy as some of the other breeds, but hardworking and very kindhearted.
I would not go to GWP, GSP, or a Chessie, they are notorious for giving inexperienced handlers hell. GSP's are nuts as far as I'm concerned.
If you have experience with hunting and experience training/have a good mentor you can look into the VDD. Essentially the elite of the elite dog hunting world. Verein Deutsche Drathaar, a line of German Wirehair specially bred to do it all. Upland, Waterfowl, deer tracking. However, their breeders are highly selective about who they sell too..it's almost a cult. But they are hands down the special forces of the dog world.
http://www.vdd-gna.org/
I hope I didn't ramble, that's my two cents, for whatever it is worth.
id say lab but i heard beagles and springer spaniels work better
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