Deer Hunting
I live in the country in S.Michigan. We have deer running around the place all the time. In and of itself, this isn't too unusual. What is are the number of crippled deer we see in pairs. The injuries run from a limp to parts of the actual appendage missing. Most times it's one or the other hind leg.
These deer are usually of different size, making some sort of sibling connection remote in my estimation.
Is this misery loves company or what? Any ideas out there?
Deer are social animals, there for they are probably together for comfort(liveing with another of their species),and (no pun intended) they can keep up with each other.
I hunt with a hunting club in northeastern SC and last year we killed more deer than usual with your sort of problem. From what we can tell most are a result of still hunters or hunters in general that miss their shot and don't kill the deer. We killed one deer where the shot was still in her and part of her leg was missing and permanently stiff. Another one we killed it looked as if a car had hit it. It is a shame more and more deer are coming up like this. They are in misery and more importantly we can't use the meat because they are so infected from their injuries. I ask that all hunters do your part in helping us control this problem, DON'T take unnecessary shots and shots that you know aren't going to kill them clean. Be a good sportsman and only take kill shots in vital areas (head and neck and back are most effecient). It is a shame that more deer are coming up like this and we can avoid it just by being responsible.
Year before last, I had a mule deer doe walk within 10 yards of me and saw a bullet hole in her hind quarter. She was limping along, but otherwise feeding ok. She was close enough for me to tell that the wound was fresh, too. From the size of it, it may have been a .22 centerfire with FMJ bullets, from a poacher no doubt. I would have shot her if I had a doe tag.
F@(#in' poachers !!!!!!!!
Yes. All still hunter make bad shots. They are responsible for most wounded deer...
The hind leg injuries could be from bad shots, but probably have a lot to do with cars.
Deer are pretty smart and a crippled deer knows that another crippled deer is the best deer to hang with. They both have the higher sense of alertness necessary to survive with their "disability". I think the thing about bringing a slower friend with you to bear country applies here too.
To WA Mountain Hunter, I don't know much about where you hunt But in KS your first tag is an Either sex giving you the option to shoot a doe in a situation like that. I always but two tags in case for insurance that I can get a buck as the 2nd choice .
Shane, That's sort of a cold thought!
The other wounded deer are probably the only ones that a wounded deer can keep up with when it comes to roaming areas for food or running from predators....
It really is time for hunters to clean up their own act. Don't take chancy shots, don't blast away at running deer 400 yards away, if you must use "BUCKSHOT" please be close and if you see poachers-TURN THEM IN! It's not hard to kill a deer. Each shot that you fire should be a dead deer. I'm going to preach now and I'm sorry if you don't like it,but here goes. I'm not a good shot, never have been and I never will be, but I have never lost a deer that I've shot in my adult life. I limit my ranges because of my shooting ability and it works. I don't shoot at running deer. Why! I couldn't kill them humanly with my ability. We owe it to the game that we hunt to do our very best to make this a humane activity. Don't ever overestimate what you can do with a bow or a rifle and we will all be better hunters.
Good post Liberty First!
Ditto! BTW Shane where did you read any statistics that still hunters make bad shots and are responsible for most wounded deer? I am a still hunter in that I usually hunt from a climber tree stand and I have never wounded a deer.
I did shoot one large doe who had no right rear foot. The wound had healed so neatly that the hide and fur completely covered the end of her leg. She was running when I first saw her and I shot her when she stopped. I didn't notice the old injury until I was unloading her at camp. She sure was fast for a three footed deer!
Most injured deer still walking around the woods are probably the result of run ins with autos. The vast majority of hunters who screw up a shot follow up and finish the job.
Bothers me when hunters instantly assume another hunter less qualified than them is the culprit based only on supposition.
Think of the damage we do our sport with these unfounded assumptions.
Big O got it right!
JohnR, I'm pretty sure Shane was being sarcastic, referring to another post above.
Too bad some of us have to hunt deer where their neighbors use dogs to chase them. Virginia still allows this, and you end up with a log of wounded deer. I have finished off quite a few of them for my neighbors. They tend not even really look very hard for a wounded deer. I only have running deer to shoot at because of the dogs. I have been lucky so far and recovered all of mine, but the dogs make "good" shots impossiable
I hunt Virginia but I'm in the northwestern portion. We do not allow dogs in my county or any neighboring counties. We do however have bear dogs loosed quite often and they are the most annoying damn things ever! I feel for you if that's what you have to sit and listen to while you hunt. I feel worse for the deer though. I have seen those bear dogs running deer so hard the deer looked all but dead on its feet! Kinda makes ya wanna shoot a dog sometimes. I never would shoot some idiots dog but dogs have no place in deer hunting, period.
I see wounded deer in areas where there is not hunting, most likely do to collisions with vehicles. I have also talked with hunters who have taken a poor shot, then finished up the job, demonstrating that had they not gotten a second shot off, there would be an injured deer hobbling around.
Wounded deer are banished from the herd. My guess is that deer do not want a wounded deer around attracting predetors. This is just my personal observation. Not backed up by science but years of deer hunting.
deer often heard up for protection and 2 sets of eyes are better than 1...
Why do ignorant people blame hunters for wounded deer and not coyotes, cars, or here in the U.P, wolves? Hunters as a rule are some of the better harvesters when it comes to humanely dispatching our quarry. Last I checked we weren't the ones with the history of hamstringing elk and eating them alive. Course if anyone out there actually makes a habit of that, please inform me. I'd hate to be accused of innacuracy
There are many ways the deer could be hurt.. bad shot on the deer. hit by car. fighting during rut. sicknesses that go through animals. being attacked by something. can fall and break leg.
There are many ways the deer could be hurt.. bad shot on the deer. hit by car. fighting during rut. sicknesses that go through animals. being attacked by something. can fall and break leg.
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It really is time for hunters to clean up their own act. Don't take chancy shots, don't blast away at running deer 400 yards away, if you must use "BUCKSHOT" please be close and if you see poachers-TURN THEM IN! It's not hard to kill a deer. Each shot that you fire should be a dead deer. I'm going to preach now and I'm sorry if you don't like it,but here goes. I'm not a good shot, never have been and I never will be, but I have never lost a deer that I've shot in my adult life. I limit my ranges because of my shooting ability and it works. I don't shoot at running deer. Why! I couldn't kill them humanly with my ability. We owe it to the game that we hunt to do our very best to make this a humane activity. Don't ever overestimate what you can do with a bow or a rifle and we will all be better hunters.
Wounded deer are banished from the herd. My guess is that deer do not want a wounded deer around attracting predetors. This is just my personal observation. Not backed up by science but years of deer hunting.
Deer are social animals, there for they are probably together for comfort(liveing with another of their species),and (no pun intended) they can keep up with each other.
I hunt with a hunting club in northeastern SC and last year we killed more deer than usual with your sort of problem. From what we can tell most are a result of still hunters or hunters in general that miss their shot and don't kill the deer. We killed one deer where the shot was still in her and part of her leg was missing and permanently stiff. Another one we killed it looked as if a car had hit it. It is a shame more and more deer are coming up like this. They are in misery and more importantly we can't use the meat because they are so infected from their injuries. I ask that all hunters do your part in helping us control this problem, DON'T take unnecessary shots and shots that you know aren't going to kill them clean. Be a good sportsman and only take kill shots in vital areas (head and neck and back are most effecient). It is a shame that more deer are coming up like this and we can avoid it just by being responsible.
Year before last, I had a mule deer doe walk within 10 yards of me and saw a bullet hole in her hind quarter. She was limping along, but otherwise feeding ok. She was close enough for me to tell that the wound was fresh, too. From the size of it, it may have been a .22 centerfire with FMJ bullets, from a poacher no doubt. I would have shot her if I had a doe tag.
Ditto! BTW Shane where did you read any statistics that still hunters make bad shots and are responsible for most wounded deer? I am a still hunter in that I usually hunt from a climber tree stand and I have never wounded a deer.
I did shoot one large doe who had no right rear foot. The wound had healed so neatly that the hide and fur completely covered the end of her leg. She was running when I first saw her and I shot her when she stopped. I didn't notice the old injury until I was unloading her at camp. She sure was fast for a three footed deer!
F@(#in' poachers !!!!!!!!
Yes. All still hunter make bad shots. They are responsible for most wounded deer...
The hind leg injuries could be from bad shots, but probably have a lot to do with cars.
Deer are pretty smart and a crippled deer knows that another crippled deer is the best deer to hang with. They both have the higher sense of alertness necessary to survive with their "disability". I think the thing about bringing a slower friend with you to bear country applies here too.
The other wounded deer are probably the only ones that a wounded deer can keep up with when it comes to roaming areas for food or running from predators....
Good post Liberty First!
JohnR, I'm pretty sure Shane was being sarcastic, referring to another post above.
I hunt Virginia but I'm in the northwestern portion. We do not allow dogs in my county or any neighboring counties. We do however have bear dogs loosed quite often and they are the most annoying damn things ever! I feel for you if that's what you have to sit and listen to while you hunt. I feel worse for the deer though. I have seen those bear dogs running deer so hard the deer looked all but dead on its feet! Kinda makes ya wanna shoot a dog sometimes. I never would shoot some idiots dog but dogs have no place in deer hunting, period.
deer often heard up for protection and 2 sets of eyes are better than 1...
There are many ways the deer could be hurt.. bad shot on the deer. hit by car. fighting during rut. sicknesses that go through animals. being attacked by something. can fall and break leg.
To WA Mountain Hunter, I don't know much about where you hunt But in KS your first tag is an Either sex giving you the option to shoot a doe in a situation like that. I always but two tags in case for insurance that I can get a buck as the 2nd choice .
Shane, That's sort of a cold thought!
Most injured deer still walking around the woods are probably the result of run ins with autos. The vast majority of hunters who screw up a shot follow up and finish the job.
Bothers me when hunters instantly assume another hunter less qualified than them is the culprit based only on supposition.
Think of the damage we do our sport with these unfounded assumptions.
Big O got it right!
Too bad some of us have to hunt deer where their neighbors use dogs to chase them. Virginia still allows this, and you end up with a log of wounded deer. I have finished off quite a few of them for my neighbors. They tend not even really look very hard for a wounded deer. I only have running deer to shoot at because of the dogs. I have been lucky so far and recovered all of mine, but the dogs make "good" shots impossiable
I see wounded deer in areas where there is not hunting, most likely do to collisions with vehicles. I have also talked with hunters who have taken a poor shot, then finished up the job, demonstrating that had they not gotten a second shot off, there would be an injured deer hobbling around.
Why do ignorant people blame hunters for wounded deer and not coyotes, cars, or here in the U.P, wolves? Hunters as a rule are some of the better harvesters when it comes to humanely dispatching our quarry. Last I checked we weren't the ones with the history of hamstringing elk and eating them alive. Course if anyone out there actually makes a habit of that, please inform me. I'd hate to be accused of innacuracy
There are many ways the deer could be hurt.. bad shot on the deer. hit by car. fighting during rut. sicknesses that go through animals. being attacked by something. can fall and break leg.
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