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Deer Hunting

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Uploaded on January 18, 2009

well here want i'd would like to do i need rifle that i would like to use to hunt from prairie dog to some big deer. now heres were i have a problem is that i am right handed but left eye dominant, so i shot left hand did in the military so i would like to use a autoloader or a lever action. i have a savage 99 in a .308 but not sure what kind of range i could use it at. or any ideas for a new rifle. thanks

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from herbie57_57 wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

your .308 should be good at about any reasonable range, it will just be a little pricy to use for prairie dogs. Really its hard to say a good round that can be used for both, any good deer rifle will work for prairie dogs, I would look at a .243, .270 or something in there or use your .308 for deer and get a .204, .223, or .22-250 for prairie dogs remington has a good autoloader but I'm not sure what calibers they make it in

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

Hello there . . .

Your Model 99 in .308, assuming it shoots accurately, is not far from being close to a perfect rifle for what you want, but only if you handload. If you do, you can take varments with Sierra 110-grain Hollow Points or Nosler 125-grain Ballistic Tips out to 350-400 yards, and you can take anything from deer to elk with Nosler Partition or Accubond bullets, or Swift A-Frames, or Barnes TSX or MRXs, or a variety of high-end bullets by other manufacturers, in weights ranging from 150-grains up to 180-grains, or even higher. Bullets weighing 165-grains are probably as heavy as you'll want to go if you intend to take shots out to 300 yards on any large game with horns and hooves.

If you do not handload, then you need a smaller caliber rifle, a .257 Roberts or .25-06 likely being most ideal for your intended use, although a .250 Savage in a Model 99 would certainly perform well if you do your part. Likewise, if you are an excellent shot and know your rifle really well and keep your shots on large deer within 300 yards (and preferably 200 yards), then a .243 Winchester or 6mm Remington--again, with the right bullets--will suffice.

You can buy over the counter loads in .257 Roberts and .25-06 in 100-grain through 120-grain weights, and you can custom-order loads in .250 Savage, .257 Roberts and .25-06 using perfect-for-varmints 75-grain Hornady V-max bullets.

Browning BAR autoloading rifles can found in .25-06 and probably .257 Roberts, too. Browning BLR lever action rifles can be found, I suspect, in all three .25 calibers. There are almost certainly Model 99s available in all three .25 calibers. There are almost certainly Browning BARs, Browning BLRs, and Savage 99s in .243 Winchester, if you get online and look for them.
But unless you handload, your .308 is too much rifle, with too much kick and too much muzzle blast, to spend a day (or even an hour) taking numerous shots at varmints with.

Not withstanding your preference for autoloaders or lever actions, you might discover that a well-made RH bolt action rifle will perform wonderfully for you, even though you will shoot it from your left shoulder. Like you, I am left-eye dominant. I shoot rifles from my left shoulder although I shoot pistols with my right hand and throw a baseball with my right hand, etc. (I am ambidextrious.) All of my centerfire rifles are RH bolt actions, except for a semi-auto .308 I have in an AK-47 frame. I am completely comfortable shooting a RH bolt action from my left shoulder because I've done it tens of thousands of times. If you practice, it will eventually become completely natural for you to shoot a RH bolt action rifle from your left shoulder, too, with comfort and accuracy.

If you would ever like to sell or trade your Model 99 in .308, please let me know. If it is in good shape and will shoot accurately, I am very interested in it. Indeed, if you would like to trade your Model 99 for my AK-47 scope-equipped semi-auto in .308, I'll consider it.

T.W. Davidson

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

Mr Davidson

Take it from this “Crusty OL’NCO” that’s been dar and dun dat! Get’ya a 25-06 and be done with it! Simply put it’s by far the most all of the above cartridges on the market. Easy on the pocket with brutally awesome performance and is 100fps faster than the 257WSSM and everyone knows how much the ammo cost for this$$$$ In open country the 25-06 is better than the 22-250 or 243 because it bucks the wind a lot better and the knockdown power from rodents to Elk with less recoil than a 270. Recoil? LOL! I call it a loud dry fire!! I make all my 25-06 cases out of Lake City Military brass 30-06 cases. Granted, I’ve taken more deer with my 22-250 than all my other rifles put together but if I’m going to single one cartridge out, it would be the 25-06 hands down. My Grandson Alex dropped a nice buck this last season at 250 yards and moments later a doe at 150 yards, both with one shot and this kid has to stand 3 times to cast a shadow which means he is recoil sensitive. And yes, I lost a rifle; he will not give it back!!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

Mr Davidson
I would love to have a Model 99 in .308

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

my comment was for herbie57_57 not Mr Davidosn about the 25-06.

MY BAD!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 17 weeks ago

I’ve been thinking about your dilemma with your Savage 99 in .308. Did you know a Hornady 130 grain will give you less kick and reach out and will knockdown any critter from varmints to the biggest mule deer to the maximum distance of your ability of “MOP” or Minute Of Pie plate and give back change!!
Your Model 99 has more tricks than you know, you just got to find them out and reloading for it is the first step!!!!

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from kolbster wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

the 308 is one of the best rounds ever made. military snipers use it in a remington m 40 out to ranges of 1000yds.

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from CPT BRAD wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

308 or 25-06 will fill the bill. If your 99 Shoots accuratly it'll do fine, you may want more than a 3-9 for dogs though.
AR10s are great rifles, 308 semis the problem is they are bringing a premium at the moment.
Browning BARs are another good choice and will come in all the favorite flavors, problem there is they are not overly accurate rifles. You will probably run into that on any semi or lever though. you'll need MOA or better for the dogs.

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from DakotaMan wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Get a 25-06 bar NONE. I have exactly your malady. I'm right handed, left eye dominant and wanted something for prairie dogs to deer. NOW 42 years later I'm even more sold on the 25-06 than I was at the beginning. Although a .308 is OK for deer in the brush and is certainly very accurate, I consider it to be too slow for prairie dogs that range from 100-600 yards with 5-40 mph winds from all angles. The continuous holdover and windage adjustment would keep you busy for sure to say nothing of the big bullet ricochets. That is why we shoot small, FAST, FLAT cartiges. That way you don't worry about hold over and wind until you cross 200 yards. On bigger animals, I have found that the 25-06 SHOCKS deer while the .308 punches a hole in them. They both get the job done though. When it comes to hitting a distant running deer (common problem on the prairie) the .308 is really slow and makes the lead/windage real difficult to calculate on the fly. You may not actually hit too many deer past 150 yards. I won't go on but suffice it to say this round is versatile across the range you desire... by the way, I shoot a right handed bolt action rifle... no problems. Once you get used to it, you can work a right handed bolt very fast with the rifle on your left shoulder. The automatic is good for follow up shots on big game but the bolt action will typically be much more accurate than the automatic. You will find that for prairie dogs, laser beam trajectory and bug hole accuracy will be your best friends.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 6 weeks ago

Hang on to your Savage 99. They keep going up in value!

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from shane wrote 3 years 2 weeks ago

Get a varmint gun. You already have the ultimate deer gun, not to mention the fact that elk and moose are in trouble too.

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from Reid Jones wrote 3 years 1 week ago

i would not get a varmint gun. let me correct myself, i would get a "deer killing varmint gun". the 223 will take deer. 22-250 will also take deer. 220 swift is THEEE fastest gun. incredibly accurate.

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from shane wrote 3 years 1 week ago

But why get a compromise gun when he already has the deer gun covered? Not to mention the fact that the guns you list aren't compromise guns anyway. They're varmint guns. A Savage 99 in .308 is about as good as it gets for deer. A .22 caliber rifle is about as not a deer gun as it gets. A .243 or .257 Roberts would have been a good suggestion, but again, he already has a deer gun so now he needs a varmint gun.

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from 007 wrote 3 years 1 week ago

Put a Hornaday 150 grain Interlock in that Model 99 and head for the deer woods. If you handload, there is a mulititude of lighter bullets, 110 to 130 grains, that will do very well for the smaller stuff but agreed, it will be expensive to feed for that purpose and recoil may become an issue over time. On the other side of the coin, I'd give serious thought to mothballing that 99 and buying perhaps a Browning BLR in something like a .25-06 or a Roberts, because as WA Mthunter points out, they keep climbing in value and are a treasure to be taken care of. My own 99 stays safely in the back of the safe.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 1 week ago

007

I would caveat my comment on Savage 99 value by stating that if it is in very good condition or like new, I would definitely "mothball" it for the value aspect. If it is in good to average "well used" condition, I would enjoy using it in the field. Both of mine are in good shape. The .300 Savage is going to the woods because it has some normal wear and tear that won't get worse the way I use it. The .358 Winchester is in very good condition, but I still use it occasionally. I try to keep both of them out of the rain since 99's are harder to clean than a bolt action.

A Savage 99 in .308 Win is also a decent elk rifle if you keep shots under 300 yards or so. I have several friends that use a .308 chambered 99 for deer and elk, my son included until he got a 7mm Rem Mag. I won't even go there again on the .22 centerfire issue. Strictly a varmint caliber.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 3 years 5 days ago

some good caliber choices for your deer / prairie dog gun . would be the 243 winchester ,257 roberts , 25-06 . browning used to chamber all of them in their blr but i am not certain if all are currently chambered in that gun now .it worth checking out .

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 1 week ago

007

I would caveat my comment on Savage 99 value by stating that if it is in very good condition or like new, I would definitely "mothball" it for the value aspect. If it is in good to average "well used" condition, I would enjoy using it in the field. Both of mine are in good shape. The .300 Savage is going to the woods because it has some normal wear and tear that won't get worse the way I use it. The .358 Winchester is in very good condition, but I still use it occasionally. I try to keep both of them out of the rain since 99's are harder to clean than a bolt action.

A Savage 99 in .308 Win is also a decent elk rifle if you keep shots under 300 yards or so. I have several friends that use a .308 chambered 99 for deer and elk, my son included until he got a 7mm Rem Mag. I won't even go there again on the .22 centerfire issue. Strictly a varmint caliber.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

Hello there . . .

Your Model 99 in .308, assuming it shoots accurately, is not far from being close to a perfect rifle for what you want, but only if you handload. If you do, you can take varments with Sierra 110-grain Hollow Points or Nosler 125-grain Ballistic Tips out to 350-400 yards, and you can take anything from deer to elk with Nosler Partition or Accubond bullets, or Swift A-Frames, or Barnes TSX or MRXs, or a variety of high-end bullets by other manufacturers, in weights ranging from 150-grains up to 180-grains, or even higher. Bullets weighing 165-grains are probably as heavy as you'll want to go if you intend to take shots out to 300 yards on any large game with horns and hooves.

If you do not handload, then you need a smaller caliber rifle, a .257 Roberts or .25-06 likely being most ideal for your intended use, although a .250 Savage in a Model 99 would certainly perform well if you do your part. Likewise, if you are an excellent shot and know your rifle really well and keep your shots on large deer within 300 yards (and preferably 200 yards), then a .243 Winchester or 6mm Remington--again, with the right bullets--will suffice.

You can buy over the counter loads in .257 Roberts and .25-06 in 100-grain through 120-grain weights, and you can custom-order loads in .250 Savage, .257 Roberts and .25-06 using perfect-for-varmints 75-grain Hornady V-max bullets.

Browning BAR autoloading rifles can found in .25-06 and probably .257 Roberts, too. Browning BLR lever action rifles can be found, I suspect, in all three .25 calibers. There are almost certainly Model 99s available in all three .25 calibers. There are almost certainly Browning BARs, Browning BLRs, and Savage 99s in .243 Winchester, if you get online and look for them.
But unless you handload, your .308 is too much rifle, with too much kick and too much muzzle blast, to spend a day (or even an hour) taking numerous shots at varmints with.

Not withstanding your preference for autoloaders or lever actions, you might discover that a well-made RH bolt action rifle will perform wonderfully for you, even though you will shoot it from your left shoulder. Like you, I am left-eye dominant. I shoot rifles from my left shoulder although I shoot pistols with my right hand and throw a baseball with my right hand, etc. (I am ambidextrious.) All of my centerfire rifles are RH bolt actions, except for a semi-auto .308 I have in an AK-47 frame. I am completely comfortable shooting a RH bolt action from my left shoulder because I've done it tens of thousands of times. If you practice, it will eventually become completely natural for you to shoot a RH bolt action rifle from your left shoulder, too, with comfort and accuracy.

If you would ever like to sell or trade your Model 99 in .308, please let me know. If it is in good shape and will shoot accurately, I am very interested in it. Indeed, if you would like to trade your Model 99 for my AK-47 scope-equipped semi-auto in .308, I'll consider it.

T.W. Davidson

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from kolbster wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

the 308 is one of the best rounds ever made. military snipers use it in a remington m 40 out to ranges of 1000yds.

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from shane wrote 3 years 1 week ago

But why get a compromise gun when he already has the deer gun covered? Not to mention the fact that the guns you list aren't compromise guns anyway. They're varmint guns. A Savage 99 in .308 is about as good as it gets for deer. A .22 caliber rifle is about as not a deer gun as it gets. A .243 or .257 Roberts would have been a good suggestion, but again, he already has a deer gun so now he needs a varmint gun.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 3 years 5 days ago

some good caliber choices for your deer / prairie dog gun . would be the 243 winchester ,257 roberts , 25-06 . browning used to chamber all of them in their blr but i am not certain if all are currently chambered in that gun now .it worth checking out .

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from herbie57_57 wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

your .308 should be good at about any reasonable range, it will just be a little pricy to use for prairie dogs. Really its hard to say a good round that can be used for both, any good deer rifle will work for prairie dogs, I would look at a .243, .270 or something in there or use your .308 for deer and get a .204, .223, or .22-250 for prairie dogs remington has a good autoloader but I'm not sure what calibers they make it in

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

Mr Davidson
I would love to have a Model 99 in .308

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from CPT BRAD wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

308 or 25-06 will fill the bill. If your 99 Shoots accuratly it'll do fine, you may want more than a 3-9 for dogs though.
AR10s are great rifles, 308 semis the problem is they are bringing a premium at the moment.
Browning BARs are another good choice and will come in all the favorite flavors, problem there is they are not overly accurate rifles. You will probably run into that on any semi or lever though. you'll need MOA or better for the dogs.

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from DakotaMan wrote 3 years 7 weeks ago

Get a 25-06 bar NONE. I have exactly your malady. I'm right handed, left eye dominant and wanted something for prairie dogs to deer. NOW 42 years later I'm even more sold on the 25-06 than I was at the beginning. Although a .308 is OK for deer in the brush and is certainly very accurate, I consider it to be too slow for prairie dogs that range from 100-600 yards with 5-40 mph winds from all angles. The continuous holdover and windage adjustment would keep you busy for sure to say nothing of the big bullet ricochets. That is why we shoot small, FAST, FLAT cartiges. That way you don't worry about hold over and wind until you cross 200 yards. On bigger animals, I have found that the 25-06 SHOCKS deer while the .308 punches a hole in them. They both get the job done though. When it comes to hitting a distant running deer (common problem on the prairie) the .308 is really slow and makes the lead/windage real difficult to calculate on the fly. You may not actually hit too many deer past 150 yards. I won't go on but suffice it to say this round is versatile across the range you desire... by the way, I shoot a right handed bolt action rifle... no problems. Once you get used to it, you can work a right handed bolt very fast with the rifle on your left shoulder. The automatic is good for follow up shots on big game but the bolt action will typically be much more accurate than the automatic. You will find that for prairie dogs, laser beam trajectory and bug hole accuracy will be your best friends.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 6 weeks ago

Hang on to your Savage 99. They keep going up in value!

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from shane wrote 3 years 2 weeks ago

Get a varmint gun. You already have the ultimate deer gun, not to mention the fact that elk and moose are in trouble too.

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from Reid Jones wrote 3 years 1 week ago

i would not get a varmint gun. let me correct myself, i would get a "deer killing varmint gun". the 223 will take deer. 22-250 will also take deer. 220 swift is THEEE fastest gun. incredibly accurate.

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from 007 wrote 3 years 1 week ago

Put a Hornaday 150 grain Interlock in that Model 99 and head for the deer woods. If you handload, there is a mulititude of lighter bullets, 110 to 130 grains, that will do very well for the smaller stuff but agreed, it will be expensive to feed for that purpose and recoil may become an issue over time. On the other side of the coin, I'd give serious thought to mothballing that 99 and buying perhaps a Browning BLR in something like a .25-06 or a Roberts, because as WA Mthunter points out, they keep climbing in value and are a treasure to be taken care of. My own 99 stays safely in the back of the safe.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

Mr Davidson

Take it from this “Crusty OL’NCO” that’s been dar and dun dat! Get’ya a 25-06 and be done with it! Simply put it’s by far the most all of the above cartridges on the market. Easy on the pocket with brutally awesome performance and is 100fps faster than the 257WSSM and everyone knows how much the ammo cost for this$$$$ In open country the 25-06 is better than the 22-250 or 243 because it bucks the wind a lot better and the knockdown power from rodents to Elk with less recoil than a 270. Recoil? LOL! I call it a loud dry fire!! I make all my 25-06 cases out of Lake City Military brass 30-06 cases. Granted, I’ve taken more deer with my 22-250 than all my other rifles put together but if I’m going to single one cartridge out, it would be the 25-06 hands down. My Grandson Alex dropped a nice buck this last season at 250 yards and moments later a doe at 150 yards, both with one shot and this kid has to stand 3 times to cast a shadow which means he is recoil sensitive. And yes, I lost a rifle; he will not give it back!!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 18 weeks ago

my comment was for herbie57_57 not Mr Davidosn about the 25-06.

MY BAD!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 17 weeks ago

I’ve been thinking about your dilemma with your Savage 99 in .308. Did you know a Hornady 130 grain will give you less kick and reach out and will knockdown any critter from varmints to the biggest mule deer to the maximum distance of your ability of “MOP” or Minute Of Pie plate and give back change!!
Your Model 99 has more tricks than you know, you just got to find them out and reloading for it is the first step!!!!

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