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Non-toxic projectiles

Uploaded on April 14, 2009

THe has been a surge towards non-lead projectiles in the home range of the California condor, and other endangered species. The theory being that the bioaccumulation of the lead in the system of the carcasses of animals harvested with lead have an adverse effect on these birds of prey and other mammalian predators. Do you think we should advocate the use of non-lead projectiles nationwide?

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from OneShotHarvest wrote 47 weeks 16 hours ago

The studies do indeed support that theory. I truly believe that any species of scavenger(both mammalian and avian) will show lead poisoning. I also believe that, based on previous studies, most of these species will show spikes in lead poisonings during and shortly after hunting seasons. I'm a hunter in the California condor range and was honestly quite upset with the ban. At least, I was at first. Now I've looked into the issue any chance I get and am convinced that this really is a legitimate concern.

I've shot about 2 dozen hogs and 3 deer with the non-lead (barnes tsx and nosler e-tip) and have had great success. In fact, I love the Barnes TSX bullet. I will be using it for all of my hunting practices regardless of the regulations.

As far as advocating the use of non-lead projectiles nationwide, I think it's a thought that should be seriously considered. Our image as hunters is growing more and more negative every year. Unfortunately, we're loosing more hunters than we're gaining. I think what needs to happen is hunters need to get out and work together with the wildlife management organizations. In reality, there is more that we agree on than not. If this "lead" issue is shown to be any more of a problem than is already documented I think sportsmen need to start shifting towards non-lead. Otherwise we look like we don't give a darn about wildlife, when in reality most hunters are strong conservationists. I think we all want to keep the resource healthy so we can continue our proud tradition of hunting and putting clean food on the table. If this proves to be a legitimate concern (which I already believe it to be), maybe we do need to be voicing support. Although, I realize that this is very controversial with emotions running high on both sides of the issue.

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from hengst wrote 47 weeks 15 hours ago

I wold not mind using non-lead ammo but.. I am by no means rich I have a few nice weapons and I mean a few no huge collection everything has its purpose same with my fly rods. I save and get what I want and everything is going up. Pder primers bullets license fees gas and so on. When they sell 100 .308 caliber bullets that work as well as my current choice does and still only costs $25-30 then I will use non-lead ammo. But unfortunately going "green" also takes my green. Hmmm maybe its an excuse to keep the product expensive.

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from hengst wrote 47 weeks 15 hours ago

powder,primer sorry

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from Clay Cooper wrote 40 weeks 5 days ago

Non-toxic projectiles

No proof the problem exists!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 40 weeks 4 days ago

The studies I have read, in outdoor mags of course, do not seem to support a problem caused by lead bullets. Oh, I am sure one could find examples in nature, but as a general rule I agree with CC; no scientific proof exists.
So to answer the question should we call for a nationwide ban on lead bullets-NO

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from shane wrote 38 weeks 14 hours ago

Whether there is a problem or not, non-toxic bullets are great. Barnes all copper bullets are very accurate because there are no issues with concentricity and perfect thickness associated with jacketed bullets that can make them less than true flying.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 38 weeks 8 hours ago

Unless the condors are feeding in the backstops of gun ranges, I don't see how it could be a problem.

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from OneShotHarvest wrote 47 weeks 16 hours ago

The studies do indeed support that theory. I truly believe that any species of scavenger(both mammalian and avian) will show lead poisoning. I also believe that, based on previous studies, most of these species will show spikes in lead poisonings during and shortly after hunting seasons. I'm a hunter in the California condor range and was honestly quite upset with the ban. At least, I was at first. Now I've looked into the issue any chance I get and am convinced that this really is a legitimate concern.

I've shot about 2 dozen hogs and 3 deer with the non-lead (barnes tsx and nosler e-tip) and have had great success. In fact, I love the Barnes TSX bullet. I will be using it for all of my hunting practices regardless of the regulations.

As far as advocating the use of non-lead projectiles nationwide, I think it's a thought that should be seriously considered. Our image as hunters is growing more and more negative every year. Unfortunately, we're loosing more hunters than we're gaining. I think what needs to happen is hunters need to get out and work together with the wildlife management organizations. In reality, there is more that we agree on than not. If this "lead" issue is shown to be any more of a problem than is already documented I think sportsmen need to start shifting towards non-lead. Otherwise we look like we don't give a darn about wildlife, when in reality most hunters are strong conservationists. I think we all want to keep the resource healthy so we can continue our proud tradition of hunting and putting clean food on the table. If this proves to be a legitimate concern (which I already believe it to be), maybe we do need to be voicing support. Although, I realize that this is very controversial with emotions running high on both sides of the issue.

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from hengst wrote 47 weeks 15 hours ago

I wold not mind using non-lead ammo but.. I am by no means rich I have a few nice weapons and I mean a few no huge collection everything has its purpose same with my fly rods. I save and get what I want and everything is going up. Pder primers bullets license fees gas and so on. When they sell 100 .308 caliber bullets that work as well as my current choice does and still only costs $25-30 then I will use non-lead ammo. But unfortunately going "green" also takes my green. Hmmm maybe its an excuse to keep the product expensive.

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from hengst wrote 47 weeks 15 hours ago

powder,primer sorry

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from Clay Cooper wrote 40 weeks 5 days ago

Non-toxic projectiles

No proof the problem exists!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 40 weeks 4 days ago

The studies I have read, in outdoor mags of course, do not seem to support a problem caused by lead bullets. Oh, I am sure one could find examples in nature, but as a general rule I agree with CC; no scientific proof exists.
So to answer the question should we call for a nationwide ban on lead bullets-NO

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from shane wrote 38 weeks 14 hours ago

Whether there is a problem or not, non-toxic bullets are great. Barnes all copper bullets are very accurate because there are no issues with concentricity and perfect thickness associated with jacketed bullets that can make them less than true flying.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 38 weeks 8 hours ago

Unless the condors are feeding in the backstops of gun ranges, I don't see how it could be a problem.

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