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Question by deerslayer2. Uploaded on January 28, 2010
First of all, I'm not a fan of the WSM's or the WSSM's. They are a waist of money and to put them into perspective, they are like taking a old Volkswagen Bug, removing the body and putting a Lamborghini body on it and paying the price for one without the performance.
If a 270 WSM is what you want, my #1 pick would be a 264 Win Mag or secondly a 7mm Rem Mag and using bullet weights exceeding 3000fps on deer and caribou.
Remember, the smallest recommended cartridge for Elk s the 25-06!!
I don't have a .270WSM by Remington, but I can address parts of your question.
Recoil- split the difference between a regular .270 & a 7 mag....It has a fair amt of blast and bark. Wouldn't you expect that from the amount of powder burned?
Accuracy - I'd say accuracy is a an equation involving gun, shooter, ammo, and environment. Mine (A Tikka T3)seems to be an inherently accurate gun. With different folks shooting it, it prints similar targets. With even average and noob shooters getting 1-1/2" to 1" groups. So as to the .270WSM cartridge itself I'd say it's not too bad. It's not superior as I can see to the accuracy of a regular flavor .270, given similar guns capable of equal things.
I disagree with about 50% of what Clay said above....
I do agree about the WSSM's.
If you blow your money and pay 2 1/2 times for just 100 fps over the 270 go for it! LOL!!
I can take a 270 and do anything the 270 WSM can do.
The WSM's and WSSM's are a flat out joke!
Dollar for dollar and bang for the buck, your already out of ammo sitting in the middle of nowhere and stuck!
You can buy 2 1/2 boxes of 270 compared to one box of 270 WSM!! LMAO!
No Clay, my chronograph doesn't lie.
I load .270 and .270WSM.
There's about 125-200 fps advantage with the WSM depending on loads with the same bullet according to my Chrony.....
do you have a 270WSM? - (crickets chirping) that's what I thought......
Does the WSM kill 'em any deader than the .270? I doubt it.
Does the .270 kill em deader than anything else? NO.
Dead is dead.
It's faster load for load than your .264 all day long.
It's equal or on the heels of the 7 mag with most loads up to 140 grains or so. The 7 wins with heavier bullet weights.
But again dead is dead if you can hit MOP, RIGHT?
I can load MY 270WSM for about the powder difference more than I can regular 270....see I acquired 500 rounds of 270WSM brass from a place going out of business. I paid $321 for ALL their reloading stuff as a lot - this included 30 die sets as well. The brass was part of this deal. I got this stuff before I ever got the gun. So for ME, your "2 &1/2 times the cost for ammo " is BS and busted. My cost difference over loading regular .270 is the powder difference in the loads. I was already loading .270 for my Dad. I have been loading 7mm mag for 15 years, so I had PLENTY of powder and primers fit for the job already. In my estimation I've got as much or more brass/loaded ammo than the life of the barrel of said Tikka T3. Truth be told I'm probably loading the .270WSM cheaper because of that brass being so cheap....but anyway I digress.
Now it would cost someone else more if they bought new ammo, less difference if they reload. More? Yes. I doubt 2 & 1/2 times though.
Yep, you know everything there is to know. You know what they say about making assumptions, don't you?
Not everybody loads!
And second, I can't see if one doesn't reload spend 2 1/2 time more when they can get just the same results out of the 270. Say what you want, I'll stick to what I can get my hands on and works. The best thing I love about the 7mm Rem Mag, that it make darn good 338 Win Mag's. LOL!!
If your going to reload, perhaps the WSM's may your ticket, but for John De'Shooter, the more quality trigger time they get, the better the shot including the ability to buy better, more gear and able to pay for the trip!
Besides, years ago, I sold my 300 Win Mag and replaced it with a 25-06 and never regretted it. Besides, if I need a bigger long rang rifle, I do have one I can hit out to 750 yards and at 100 yards punch a hole thru one inch plate steel shooting soft points!!
As I always say, use what you shoot best with that blows your kilt!
150 fps at the muzzle (308 vs 30-06), I cannot tell the difference even at 1000 yards! An "X" is an "X" I say!
sgaredneck,what powder do you use in your 7mmmag/rem I use imr4831/BarnesTTX140gr..Bought some RL 22 but have not loaded any yet.Get about 3200fps with the IMR,loaded a little hot.It's bad news on those GA bucks.With a old rem700ADL.1"/1.5"groups
My fave load has been this for a pretty good while:
66g of RL22 with a Nolsler 150 Ballistic tip
This chrono's at @3100 +/- a little or so in my 26" barrel Ruger #1 - have grouped sub 3/4" before, which in a #1 is real good, if not astounding....most #1's won't get this good.
Note: this is a warm load but I have no adverse pressure signs. This works in MY gun - it might not work in your'n. The newest Lyman manual lists 67g of RL22 as max(at 3106) with a Ballistic Silvertip; their starting load is 60.0 gains for 2742 fps. I believe their #'s are from a 24" barrel.
This is extremely destructive on a deer...I have never had one run when hit by this. Downside - it tears up some meat.
I bet your ttsx load is hell on wheels. I have some of those (Barnes 140's )bullets - just haven't loaded any yet.
FWIW, I looked on MidwayUSA's site on the ammo. According to my #'s, 270WSM is for the most part 10-25% more than regular flavor .270 win.. This was going as 'apples to apples' as you could (ex. Fed Premium 130 .270 Win. to the same in 270WSM).
These are just one example. Note: NOT 2 & 1/2 times price of regular flavor .270 WIN. Furthermore, .270WSM was cheaper in some if not most cases than your .264 Win Mag too. Where do you get your information from?
I'm referring to loaded ammo
I WAS referring to factory loaded ammo. Did you even read my above post? Allow me requote it again with the two hyperlinks of ammo product listings:
"FWIW, I looked on MidwayUSA's site on the ammo. According to my #'s, 270WSM is for the most part 10-25% more than regular flavor .270 win.. This was going as 'apples to apples' as you could (ex. Fed Premium 130 .270 Win. to the same in 270WSM).
These are just one example. Note: NOT 2 & 1/2 times price of regular flavor .270 WIN. Furthermore, .270WSM was cheaper in some if not most cases than your .264 Win Mag too. "
Clay, I actually enjoy having this back-and-forth with you, but let us keep in mind that we have royally hijacked the living shiite out of deerslayer2's question thread. I believe we (you and I) can solve all the world's reloading and ammunition problems here, given ad infinitum of time and space. Until then, my apologies to deerslayer2.
Deerslayer2 I have a ruger77 270win it's a fine gun,used a couple years as my main deer gun.I went back to my rem, 7mmmag,same thing used it as main gun.This past season I went back to the first center fire bolt rifle I ever bought browning30/06 A bolt.My point is the 270win did just as well as any of them.That said if I bought a new gun and when I walk the gun stores I end up with a Tikka3 270shortmag in my hands.If construction work EVER comes back .I might get one do I need it
Deerslayer,I sent that post before I finished the sentence.I might get one,do I need it NO.But than I don't need most of the food I eat either,I just enjoy it!
7mm Rem Mag brass could make good 264 Win Mag and 338 Win Mag.
270 WSM here isn't cheap over the counter, 37.89 vs 14.00 for 270.
But if a person wants to go exotic, knock themselves out! If I was going to go for the 270 WSM, I'll go with the 7mm Rem Mag with more selection of bullet weights and availability of ammo anywhere.
I searched and searched and finally found some Wolf(LMAO).270 Win.ammo for $15.99/box. Be my guest and shoot some of that $#!+ in your gun. LOL!!!
Here's the least expensive .270WSM I found - note NOT P.O.S. WOLF!:
Not even apples to apples brand or bullet comparison.
Not even 2x your mystery $14 ammo that you didn't support with any example.....HMMMMMMMMMMM..........
$27.20 = Clay's 2 & 1/2 times the price statement is BS and BUSTED!
How about let's agree to disagree and not pi$$ all over each other. I know you carry a LOT of knowledge around with you, but please don't assume other people don't also know some little something.
REMINGTON Express® 270 WSM 130GR Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt® Only $27.20
I can buy 270 right here at Walmart half that price!
So say whatever you want, I can to search the internet and find hot smoking deal. But remember tadpole, you bypassed State Tax and forgot the shipping and handling!!!
And one more thing Tadpole,
Item Number: AR270WSM1,
Number Available: 0
Now I can get Federal Cartridge 270 Winchester Short Magnum by Federal 270 WSM, 150grain, Fusion, (Per 20)it all day long thru my source and a lot cheaper.
Your price MSRP $43.95
My price $26.57
Quatity on hand: 88
But lets not forget the $8.30 for shipping and handling!
270 Win on the shelf at your local store anyplace 50 States including Canada!
WHO"S LAUGHING NOW!
Now go change your diaper, your leaking!
WOW indeed CLAY!
I was quoting readily verifiable retail prices and items, Clay, just for your benefit. But hey, I own a shop so why do I need to go to your walmart?
I won't even go into "my source" prices. I have to make margin on ammo to make a living. I will tell you my main supplier has a metric s#i+load of both .270 and .270WSM (they are out of the wolf and prvi partizan as we speak). I wouldn't shoot either of any caliber they make, even in your guns. The price difference for the cheapest thing in stock offered (Remington)in each is about 67% more from the least expensive .270 win to the least expensive .270WSM. Not double. Not two and a half.
If you came to me, I wouldn't charge you 2 &1/2 times the price from one to another. Unless I thought I needed to be ripped off......
Then again, I reload, and our back & forth is all schoolboy one-upsmanship. I took the time to figure my actual net cost per round of .270WSM. Just for your sake.
I had to backtrack some to figure my primer and powder cost, being that I didn't pay Obama-era prices for them. Remember, I have a treasure trove of WSM brass. That is the big money-saver in the equation.
I roll my own for @$55/100 rounds and that's using RL19, Nosler 130's, & fed 215's. I readily admit it would be more with all new today-bought stuff. That's easy enough to figure:
100 rounds would run about $115 give or take a little...
Surely you could go cheaper with some bulk lot powder and bulk bullets....if that's what you want.
Let's figure up what .270 would cost for loading 100 rounds, using the same Nosler 130g bullet, new brass, powder, & primers:
According to my math using all new components it would run something like $95.00 per 100. Not a huge savings over factory ammo, or the homemade WSM, but worthwhile if you think you have a good recipe and do good reloading work.
Game not over. Lord willing, I'll still be shooting .270WSM long into the future....at 55 cents a shot.
I might would tell you to change your diaper, but you're an old fart, and you might actually have to be wearing one. So I won't. Maybe you'll remember later.
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I use Jerry's, Lipsey's and CDNN once in a blue moon. I've never used greensupply. I'll look. Thanks.
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