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A word of caution. Last weekend at the rifle range, the fellow next to me had strapped a 460 Weatherby solidly into a gun vice, fore and aft. After a few rounds he exclaimed his cross hairs had disappeared. Sure enough, his reticle had crashed, and on closer inspection his stock was split behind the tang. Apparently too much recoil and not enough give. He claimed it was a new rifle. His ammo was factory.

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from huntcamp wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Ouch, I guess you got to be careful with weapons that big. I have never shot one and only can imagine how my shoulder would feel.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Expensive mistake. So, knowing you are a gentleman of class, did you say anything to him?

That scenario is what also always made me wary of fully loaded lead sleds. Figured they should at least be on ball bearing rollers to give some. I just use a Past and raise the rest as high as possible on hardkicking rounds of the bench.

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from Reid Jones wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

nice point at the end there mlh. i always thought the same thing. when you have a lead sled weighted down so much, when that gun fires, it's not going to move. so is the recoil pad going to collect all the recoil? with that large and mule kicking type of caliber, no. the recoil pad isn't going to take all the recoil. obviously somethings gotta give. that's why i too think a sled should have some kind of give in them. some might. i dont know. obviously the scope must of taken quite a bit of shock. the recoil pad wasn't effective enough, causing the stock to crack. weatherby's mistake? maybe, it could be that the stock wasn't properly made. could be that it made it through the production line broken somewhere internally and they missed it.. scope manufacturers mistake? i think not. the scope probably took so much pressure that it gave out.. i'm not sure how this problem could of been prevented. maybe less weight on the vise? i don't know.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Happy is a 460 going to give you more of a edge than a 375 in a nasty spot? Just wondering trying to talk the wife in letting me get a 470.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Happy Myles,

What brand of scope was that that failed? Surely it wasn't a cheapo on a gun like that.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Happy,
I believe this is the same reason the big fellas feel more recoil than normal size guys. If you can give with the shot you don't feel it as much as the guys standing there letting their body absorb it all. No scope was meant to take all the recoil regardless of brand.

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from shane wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Stocks just break when they are strapped to .460 Wby. class cartridges, sled or not. Even the finest, most perfectly grained stocks will go down under that kind of pressure.

If the guy needs so much sled to control this cartridge, why does he have the rifle in the first place? Are you going to put the sled on a turret when a big stinky pissed of bovine monster is on the loose?

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

John Barsness has a good article on scopes in the latest issue of Guns and ammo. It was an eye opener for me.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Jim in Mo, I think you are right on about us big boys and recoil. The more mass you have, the more of a lick you are going to take. It's Newton's law of inertia. I'm 6 foot, 225 pounds, and it takes a lot of force to get me moving backward. I feel every bit of that force in my shoulder. I try to ease up on the muscle tension when firing a .375 or .458 to take some of the sting out of it. I also find that being as near vertical as possible helps. Hunching over a bench that is too low is punishing even with my .270.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Welcome to the world of magnums SIR!

Had a Weaver do the same on my 338 Win Mag, that’s why I only use Leupold!

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

John Barsness wrote that he tests scopes by mounting them on a light .338 Win. He said some of the high dollar scopes have failed and some of the cheapos have passed the recoil test. The fine scopes all have very good glass the cheapos have poor quality glass. Of course the glass isn't what fails. Also said smaller scopes handle recoil best. And fixed power scopes generally handle recoil better than variables. Clay, myself and many others here already knew that. He did not name any of the scopes he has tested. I'm with Clay. Nothing but Leupold VX III's for me.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

I think you guys are right about recoil I am 6ft 3 and weigh 250. Recoild whacks me pretty hard.

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from DakotaMan wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

I can understand the stock breaking with a solid vice... they should hold but locking it in a vice puts VERY high pressure on the stock and break is not unusual for such a hefty cartrige. I don't understand the scope being affected the same way though. A cartrige this big will REALLY shake a scope. I suspect that the scope reticle was of poor quality and would have gone with or without the vice. These babies are a good test of your scope rings too.

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

For Armchair...

There's another side to that. I'm 5'10", and weigh 130 pounds. Standing position with my .30-06 involves my back foot a bit farther back, while just a smidge of forward lean. I've only fired one "heavy", and that was from prone.

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from shane wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

Jeff - Can I buy you a triple cheeseburger and some donuts?

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

Jeff4066 . . . prone? Was that on a bet, or did you lose the bet and then you had to do it? It makes my shoulder hurt just thinking about it. A "friend" let me sight in his .338 off the bench. Some friend.

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

I wasn't always the blimp I am today. As far as the weight standard, I spent 22 years in the Corps while being below the minimum weight. In '99, just as I took my last PFT and physical, they knocked off 5 pounds from the scale as a way to make Marines keep more fit. With that adjustment, my last weigh-in in the service was the only one I fell within the weight limit. It never caused me a problem, except the occasional gear-moving problem.

-Shane: I eat burgers ALL the time. Makes my wife mad when she decides the family should eat right.

The "rifle" I fired was a Barrett .50. I had my one chance to fire one when the brother of a friend showed up with one. It hurt a bit, and I did end up several inches behind where I started. Felt like an artillery piece.

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from shane wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

Eat more!

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from huntcamp wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Ouch, I guess you got to be careful with weapons that big. I have never shot one and only can imagine how my shoulder would feel.

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from MLH wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Expensive mistake. So, knowing you are a gentleman of class, did you say anything to him?

That scenario is what also always made me wary of fully loaded lead sleds. Figured they should at least be on ball bearing rollers to give some. I just use a Past and raise the rest as high as possible on hardkicking rounds of the bench.

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from Reid Jones wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

nice point at the end there mlh. i always thought the same thing. when you have a lead sled weighted down so much, when that gun fires, it's not going to move. so is the recoil pad going to collect all the recoil? with that large and mule kicking type of caliber, no. the recoil pad isn't going to take all the recoil. obviously somethings gotta give. that's why i too think a sled should have some kind of give in them. some might. i dont know. obviously the scope must of taken quite a bit of shock. the recoil pad wasn't effective enough, causing the stock to crack. weatherby's mistake? maybe, it could be that the stock wasn't properly made. could be that it made it through the production line broken somewhere internally and they missed it.. scope manufacturers mistake? i think not. the scope probably took so much pressure that it gave out.. i'm not sure how this problem could of been prevented. maybe less weight on the vise? i don't know.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Happy is a 460 going to give you more of a edge than a 375 in a nasty spot? Just wondering trying to talk the wife in letting me get a 470.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Happy Myles,

What brand of scope was that that failed? Surely it wasn't a cheapo on a gun like that.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Happy,
I believe this is the same reason the big fellas feel more recoil than normal size guys. If you can give with the shot you don't feel it as much as the guys standing there letting their body absorb it all. No scope was meant to take all the recoil regardless of brand.

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from shane wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Stocks just break when they are strapped to .460 Wby. class cartridges, sled or not. Even the finest, most perfectly grained stocks will go down under that kind of pressure.

If the guy needs so much sled to control this cartridge, why does he have the rifle in the first place? Are you going to put the sled on a turret when a big stinky pissed of bovine monster is on the loose?

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

John Barsness has a good article on scopes in the latest issue of Guns and ammo. It was an eye opener for me.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Jim in Mo, I think you are right on about us big boys and recoil. The more mass you have, the more of a lick you are going to take. It's Newton's law of inertia. I'm 6 foot, 225 pounds, and it takes a lot of force to get me moving backward. I feel every bit of that force in my shoulder. I try to ease up on the muscle tension when firing a .375 or .458 to take some of the sting out of it. I also find that being as near vertical as possible helps. Hunching over a bench that is too low is punishing even with my .270.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Welcome to the world of magnums SIR!

Had a Weaver do the same on my 338 Win Mag, that’s why I only use Leupold!

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

John Barsness wrote that he tests scopes by mounting them on a light .338 Win. He said some of the high dollar scopes have failed and some of the cheapos have passed the recoil test. The fine scopes all have very good glass the cheapos have poor quality glass. Of course the glass isn't what fails. Also said smaller scopes handle recoil best. And fixed power scopes generally handle recoil better than variables. Clay, myself and many others here already knew that. He did not name any of the scopes he has tested. I'm with Clay. Nothing but Leupold VX III's for me.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

I think you guys are right about recoil I am 6ft 3 and weigh 250. Recoild whacks me pretty hard.

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from DakotaMan wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

I can understand the stock breaking with a solid vice... they should hold but locking it in a vice puts VERY high pressure on the stock and break is not unusual for such a hefty cartrige. I don't understand the scope being affected the same way though. A cartrige this big will REALLY shake a scope. I suspect that the scope reticle was of poor quality and would have gone with or without the vice. These babies are a good test of your scope rings too.

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

For Armchair...

There's another side to that. I'm 5'10", and weigh 130 pounds. Standing position with my .30-06 involves my back foot a bit farther back, while just a smidge of forward lean. I've only fired one "heavy", and that was from prone.

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from shane wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

Jeff - Can I buy you a triple cheeseburger and some donuts?

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

Jeff4066 . . . prone? Was that on a bet, or did you lose the bet and then you had to do it? It makes my shoulder hurt just thinking about it. A "friend" let me sight in his .338 off the bench. Some friend.

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

I wasn't always the blimp I am today. As far as the weight standard, I spent 22 years in the Corps while being below the minimum weight. In '99, just as I took my last PFT and physical, they knocked off 5 pounds from the scale as a way to make Marines keep more fit. With that adjustment, my last weigh-in in the service was the only one I fell within the weight limit. It never caused me a problem, except the occasional gear-moving problem.

-Shane: I eat burgers ALL the time. Makes my wife mad when she decides the family should eat right.

The "rifle" I fired was a Barrett .50. I had my one chance to fire one when the brother of a friend showed up with one. It hurt a bit, and I did end up several inches behind where I started. Felt like an artillery piece.

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from shane wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

Eat more!

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