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This is an ethics question on placement of tree stands. I have been hunting the same area of public land for whitetail for the past 6 years. This summer I located a natural bottle neck created by two chanels of the river comming together. I placed my stand in July and came back in august to finish trimming shooting lanes to find some one else had placed a stand not 60 yards from my tree. Now I take great pride in selecting my tree and always check at least 100 yards in every direction to make sure there is no other stands in the area. I could tell there had been stands there in the past seasons(being public land I expected that) but no present at the time I placed mine. Was it ethical for this person to put his stand so close to mine? And what should I do about it?
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Teaming up just might be profitable, one of you may spoke one towards the other one. But as long as you know the other is there and safety is adhered to I don’t see a problem. Without being there I cannot give you a sure answer on this one. Bottom line, you will just have to figure it out as it goes or perhaps better yet, but in general the rule is, the first in there stand wins!
Assuming you'll both be hunting the same trail and that he did see yours to begin with, I'd say it's right on the line of unethical. However, perhaps more bad curtousy than unethical. It sucks, I know I spend more time formulating a way to avoid others and their hunts than my own hunt sometimes. But that's the way it is on public land...everyone has equal right and you can't do anything about it.
Try to use it to your advantage,even if it means moving your stand.Decide what way this hunter will approach his stand,and set your stand accordingly.
I've had to do this over the years with the influx of new hunters,especially on opening day, and have been rather successful at deciding which way the deer will be bumped to my stand.
Good Luck and may cool heads prevail!
You are hunting public land, there is nothing wrong with him also setting up a stand where yours is. It is not unethical at all. Might be rude, but not even close to unethical. While it is not ideal that he is close by, just because you hung a stand somewhere first does not mean you "own" that area and are the only one who can hunt it.
I only hunt public land so I am used to this happening to me. Best advice I can give is find a spot deeper in the woods and further away from the parking area. You mentioned it being on a river, use a canoe to get further away from the crowds. You will be more successful over the long haul if you hunt away from other people. I have begun to do things like this the last two years, and have yet to see another hunter while in the woods the last two years.
Good luck this fall.
I dont think it is unethical but that person should not have done it, and they were really ignorant not to check for other stands
Perhaps that person has been hunting from that tree for years and feels you moved in on him.
That is the great downfall of public land. It may not be ethical but it is legal. Another thing to think about is the fact he may not have seen your stand and he may be there every year and just not trust to leave his stand out. He may be thinking the same as you.
Well you could work together and share information and work out a schedule, find out what days he is going to be there and try somewhere else. Or just move your stand. Most likely he will work with you and you both could come up with a good plan of attack.
As you stated " I could tell there had been stands there in the past seasons(being public land I expected that) " this hunters stand may have been removed as some laws require or another reason and felt the area his. finding and talking with this hunter could work out for the both of you, maybe taking turns hunting the area. Try to see the situation from his point of veiw before talking wiht the hunter.
I think it is unethical and unfriendly. It is unethical because it places both of you at risk of potential injury, getting to your stands or from a badly (okay, REALLY badly) placed shot.
The other guy may have been hunting that spot for years, and feels entitled to return to it. But each season is a new start, so I favor your "I got here first" claim.
However, both of you are within your rights to hunt the public land within the law. If you can contact him, make an agreement, like others described above. If you can't come to an understanding, you have to decide what being the "better man" means to you; the one who gets his way, or the one who gives way.
not so much ethics as common courtesy and respect for a fellow hunter
You're a brave soul if you're placing a stand on public land...I hope it doesn't get stolen.
let him drive the deer to you, just get there before him. i would also try talking with him
first, no one should be allowed to leave a stand of any type on public land. second you must move, and move far away, as you are at risk of 2 terrible things, shooting him or her or being shot. some times we get caught up in why as opposed to doing what is correct and safe. when guns or bows are involved no deer is worth getting hurt over. what you originally did was like showing up to a ball game weeks in advance and taping your cushion to the bleacher.
Neither the forest service nor WMA's allow stands to be set up more than a day before the hunt in my state and they must be removed no later than the day after. That said, I find permanent stands all the time public areas. Many of them with beer cans, soda cans and other assorted trash under them. Sort of lets you know what kind of trash sits on them... The rangers in my area will remove such stands if alerted to them or if they find them.
Check your regs to make sure what you are doing is legal. If so and you are on public land, the other hunter has just as much of a right to be there. I always operate on the basis of the early hunter gets the game amd I have had ocassions when other hunters have come into an area after day light and climbed a tree next to mine...literally... This is usually because they don't know any better, have poor manners or they are trying to push you out of what they consider as their spot. This type of behavior can certainly provke ill feelings and does have a certain amount of risk involved. Agreements can seldom be made and cool heads must prevail.
Thank you to all that have answered my question. Living here in montana we are allowed to place stands prior to the season and leave them up all season. with that being said I have had contact with this other person, I left a note attached to the tree his stand in located in and he did call last night. and as some one stated before he "did not see there was any stands around and Ive hunted this area for ever" I am sure that he did feel I was moving in on his spot and probley did not even look for other stands. But it is public land and the first one there gets the spot is the general answer that I have been getting. He has agreed to days to hunt or not hunt that stand because he has other stands in the area I am still positive that there will be a day this year we will both be in at the same time. He did tell me the way he is comming in and as I thought he will be pushing game my way. As more and more archery hunters come into the field I believe this will be happening more and more,I know I have seen it while chasing elk with my bow over the past years. Again thank you for all of your input
you can't tear the treestand down otherwise it could cause a problem. So you could politely leave a note or maybe try to make this into a good situation and find a way to use it to your advantage.
You never know if he even saw the placement of your stand. Depending upon the terrain and vegetation . I have hunted on a river for years and notice new features about the area every time I go in. Some people just don't pay alot of attention to their surroundings, and just place a stand because it looks good to them. Good luck hunting.
all i can say is its public land anything goes but you mite want to talk to him just so he knows you are there.
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Try to use it to your advantage,even if it means moving your stand.Decide what way this hunter will approach his stand,and set your stand accordingly.
I've had to do this over the years with the influx of new hunters,especially on opening day, and have been rather successful at deciding which way the deer will be bumped to my stand.
Good Luck and may cool heads prevail!
Teaming up just might be profitable, one of you may spoke one towards the other one. But as long as you know the other is there and safety is adhered to I don’t see a problem. Without being there I cannot give you a sure answer on this one. Bottom line, you will just have to figure it out as it goes or perhaps better yet, but in general the rule is, the first in there stand wins!
I dont think it is unethical but that person should not have done it, and they were really ignorant not to check for other stands
Perhaps that person has been hunting from that tree for years and feels you moved in on him.
As you stated " I could tell there had been stands there in the past seasons(being public land I expected that) " this hunters stand may have been removed as some laws require or another reason and felt the area his. finding and talking with this hunter could work out for the both of you, maybe taking turns hunting the area. Try to see the situation from his point of veiw before talking wiht the hunter.
Neither the forest service nor WMA's allow stands to be set up more than a day before the hunt in my state and they must be removed no later than the day after. That said, I find permanent stands all the time public areas. Many of them with beer cans, soda cans and other assorted trash under them. Sort of lets you know what kind of trash sits on them... The rangers in my area will remove such stands if alerted to them or if they find them.
Check your regs to make sure what you are doing is legal. If so and you are on public land, the other hunter has just as much of a right to be there. I always operate on the basis of the early hunter gets the game amd I have had ocassions when other hunters have come into an area after day light and climbed a tree next to mine...literally... This is usually because they don't know any better, have poor manners or they are trying to push you out of what they consider as their spot. This type of behavior can certainly provke ill feelings and does have a certain amount of risk involved. Agreements can seldom be made and cool heads must prevail.
Assuming you'll both be hunting the same trail and that he did see yours to begin with, I'd say it's right on the line of unethical. However, perhaps more bad curtousy than unethical. It sucks, I know I spend more time formulating a way to avoid others and their hunts than my own hunt sometimes. But that's the way it is on public land...everyone has equal right and you can't do anything about it.
That is the great downfall of public land. It may not be ethical but it is legal. Another thing to think about is the fact he may not have seen your stand and he may be there every year and just not trust to leave his stand out. He may be thinking the same as you.
Well you could work together and share information and work out a schedule, find out what days he is going to be there and try somewhere else. Or just move your stand. Most likely he will work with you and you both could come up with a good plan of attack.
I think it is unethical and unfriendly. It is unethical because it places both of you at risk of potential injury, getting to your stands or from a badly (okay, REALLY badly) placed shot.
The other guy may have been hunting that spot for years, and feels entitled to return to it. But each season is a new start, so I favor your "I got here first" claim.
However, both of you are within your rights to hunt the public land within the law. If you can contact him, make an agreement, like others described above. If you can't come to an understanding, you have to decide what being the "better man" means to you; the one who gets his way, or the one who gives way.
not so much ethics as common courtesy and respect for a fellow hunter
let him drive the deer to you, just get there before him. i would also try talking with him
You are hunting public land, there is nothing wrong with him also setting up a stand where yours is. It is not unethical at all. Might be rude, but not even close to unethical. While it is not ideal that he is close by, just because you hung a stand somewhere first does not mean you "own" that area and are the only one who can hunt it.
I only hunt public land so I am used to this happening to me. Best advice I can give is find a spot deeper in the woods and further away from the parking area. You mentioned it being on a river, use a canoe to get further away from the crowds. You will be more successful over the long haul if you hunt away from other people. I have begun to do things like this the last two years, and have yet to see another hunter while in the woods the last two years.
Good luck this fall.
You're a brave soul if you're placing a stand on public land...I hope it doesn't get stolen.
Thank you to all that have answered my question. Living here in montana we are allowed to place stands prior to the season and leave them up all season. with that being said I have had contact with this other person, I left a note attached to the tree his stand in located in and he did call last night. and as some one stated before he "did not see there was any stands around and Ive hunted this area for ever" I am sure that he did feel I was moving in on his spot and probley did not even look for other stands. But it is public land and the first one there gets the spot is the general answer that I have been getting. He has agreed to days to hunt or not hunt that stand because he has other stands in the area I am still positive that there will be a day this year we will both be in at the same time. He did tell me the way he is comming in and as I thought he will be pushing game my way. As more and more archery hunters come into the field I believe this will be happening more and more,I know I have seen it while chasing elk with my bow over the past years. Again thank you for all of your input
you can't tear the treestand down otherwise it could cause a problem. So you could politely leave a note or maybe try to make this into a good situation and find a way to use it to your advantage.
You never know if he even saw the placement of your stand. Depending upon the terrain and vegetation . I have hunted on a river for years and notice new features about the area every time I go in. Some people just don't pay alot of attention to their surroundings, and just place a stand because it looks good to them. Good luck hunting.
all i can say is its public land anything goes but you mite want to talk to him just so he knows you are there.
first, no one should be allowed to leave a stand of any type on public land. second you must move, and move far away, as you are at risk of 2 terrible things, shooting him or her or being shot. some times we get caught up in why as opposed to doing what is correct and safe. when guns or bows are involved no deer is worth getting hurt over. what you originally did was like showing up to a ball game weeks in advance and taping your cushion to the bleacher.
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