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In theory a fellow that wants his rifle to shoot fast and flat without using overloads should be able to do so by switching to Barnes Triple X bullets. You can go to the next weight down because they penetrate exceptionally well (like a heavier bullet). You can then safely use more powder and get higher velocity. The high BC will retain that velocity well resulting in a "beanfield" worthy trajectory. This is why I shoot Barnes 100 grainers in my 25-06. Happy, Big O, Jim, reloading guru, and friends what say you?

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from Big O wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

"Grasshopper" asks can I get them in 165gr.,180gr. .308's.
I as usual bow to your wealth of knowledge "Master"
(LOL). Thanks for the heads up Del, I 'm off to the store now to try to find some.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Del because of the rate of twist and amount of free bore in my picky Weatherby I cant drop in bullet weights, however I have shot the 160, and 175 barnes with great results but because of cost I still load 175 Partions. I do have some old Barnes X bullets that impressed the hell out of me on the range this year hope to give them a try on something that will fill my freezer.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Del, I read an article several months ago by Greg Rodriguez when he came back from an African hunt. He agreed with this theory wholeheartedly. BTW, he was using an '06 and he thought the Barnes didn't expand enough using the 180. He liked the results from the 165. Oh, he was testing the new Barnes MRX (basically the triple x with a flex tip). This theory may be true for the Barnes on big game, but for other bullets I'm not sure, other than the A-Frame which I would love to try.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

In theory a fellow that wants his rifle to shoot fast and flat without using overloads should be able to do so by switching to Barnes Triple X bullets?

WHAT IN THE HELL YOU BEEN SMOKING SON!

I CAN SHOOT THE SAME WEIGHT HORNADY FASTER AND FLATTER THAN A BARNES ANY DAY!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

YOU CANNOT PUSH A BARNES LIKE YOU CAN A JACKETED BULLET BECAUSE A BARNES IS A SOLID COPPER BULLET!

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Clay your right about the presures in a barnes but that is why they cut the grooves in the bullet but the velocity that you lose is minamal in my 7mmwby Im only loosing about 75fps and I can tell you that what I am shootin at wont know the differance.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Oh and Clay every bullet has its limit you can push them only so fast before they blow up,and yes Hornady will blow up to.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I'm going to push the envelope here but, I think you can push a Barnes as fast as any other bullet but maybe not as accurately because of the lack of lead in the bullet.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

idduckhntr

What I've seen, the answer is no way!

But your right about the 75fps unles your shooting a bow!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

idduckhntr

The only Hornady I ever blew up was 100 Grain half jacket in a 300 Win Mag!

YOW!

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Clay I have pushed Nosler Partions so fast that they came apart, and I know they are a better rifle bullet than Hornady, if you want to shoot 130s than get a 270. the only horady bullet I shoot is out of my 45 colt. And here is the differance in Partions and Barnes out of my 7mmWBY with a Partion it is 2988fps with a Barnes its 2921.

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I shoot and like Hornadys especially the SSTs and A-Maxs with high BC. Also I use a lot of Berger VLDs plus some Partitions and Sierra Gamekings. I can't swear that any ever blew up but I have wondered about some of the Hornadys and Sierras for various reasons. In my big 7 mm I use 168 VLD which holds up very well out to 1000 yards due to excellent construction, SD, and BC beginning in the neighborhood of 3400 fps. Accuracy is exceptional. With various calibers using Barnes I always back off a bit on the powder for the same reasons that Del stated, a factor that we have all known for decades as well as the need for the grooves. Those solid copper bullets drop em right now. Almost always shoots plum through the critter, in fact I don't remember this ever not happening. If a lead ban comes about we may all be shooting copper exclusively or perhaps an alloy. I tend to stick with various 117 gr at about 3100 in my .25-'06 due to a little better BC plus the added weight might give me more penetration without sacrificing trajectory. I tend to use 225 or 250 XXX or Partitions in the .338. Trajectory with the .338 is amazingly close to a .300 Win Mag but perceived KO is noticeably enhanced. Yep you can push those Barnes as fast as you want as long as you watch pressure signs like any other bullet and load. I've done it for years with no failures with dozens of different rifles. In fact some local guys get such fantastic performance from Barnes XXX in their .300 WSMs that I almost stooped to buy one just so as not to be left out. Of course the same bullet in my .300 Win Mag is even a little better. The truth is all of these calibers and bullets will work but its fun to argue about it anyway.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

The Compleat Reloading Manual for the 25-06 lists a max charge of 59.7 grains H1000 with the Nosler partition for 3212 fps and 50,700 CUP. I load an even 60 grains behind the Barnes 100 grain triple X with no problems and get 3250 fps from my kimber with 24 inch barrel. The brass is WW and the primer is Fed 215. It appears to me the grooves lessen friction and pressure enough to use same powder charge as with any other bullet.

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from shane wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

This is a good tip, but I've never been in a situation where I said "man, I wish I had a flatter trajectory". I lean towards the heavier bullet weights. The only long shots I take are at varmints, and .223 and .222 are plenty flat for me.

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I also tend to prefer the middle to heavy weight bullets of any given caliber. I also will add that the reason I shoot 117s in the.25 is that an old friend gave me lots of these bullets before he died so I feel compelled to use them up. When I get around to buying more for big game I will probably select the 100 gr Barnes. By the way if you ever have a question you can call Barnes and they will bust their butts getting an answer for you.

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from shane wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Also, me and guessing wind drift are not friends. Again, my shots are generally not long enough to worry about it much, but I like to have as little of it as possible. But I guess I'm not necessarily helping myself. Heavier bullets might cancel their wind bucking abilities with slower velocity and more flight time in some cases.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

idduckhntr

I never had a problem out of Hornady except two times, once in my 44 mag shooting Hornady cast that leaded my barrel so bad it took days to get it out and the second is shooting 100 grain out of the 300 Win Mag I had.

I shoot Nosler Partitions and Hornady, other than the two previous problems why should I change when I get maximum performance from Jackrabbits to Moose with all “BANG FLOPS”. I shot my Moose with a Hornady 225 Grain out of my 338 Win Mag and dropped it like a mountain of rocks!

You can say whatever you want, my experience with winning countless Local, State and Regional Championships and all “BANG FLOPS” over whelmingly proves Hornady may not be the “Armor Piercing Game Bullet” you want, but does exceed both in accuracy, performance and makes it affordable to shoot.

As far as shooting 100 grainer’s out of a 25-06 in bean field’s granted their fantastic until the wind picks up and my Hornady 117SST’s and 117 SPBT’s really walks the dog! Besides I never came across any game wearing a bullet proof vest demanding a Barnes bullet! If I want more penetration, I’ll use my Nosler 120 grain Partitions and they shoot the same point of aim at 100 yards as the rest of my loads.

And as far as if you want to shoot 130s than get a 270, get real! 130 grain Hornady out of 308’s, 30-06 and 300 Win Mag on Trophy Mule Deer work fantastic!

One more thing, Hornady Match Bullets shoots flatter and is more accurate than Burgers VLD’s and Sierras etc especially on the 1000 yard line!

Has anyone ever tried Hornady’s 190 grain Soft Point Boat Tails? All the 30-06 sHunters in Alaska I handed a box to really love them!

Bottom line, you folks may be hung up on Barnes and A-Frames etc but my lifelong experience with shooting Hornady’s in my rifles proves that switching will not happen and if we were shooting side by side, you would be singing a different song! I’m totally satisfied in what I have with the performance to win numerous competitions and all bang flops, but like I said, if you want “Armor Piercing Game Bullet” go knock yourself out!

One more thing why I don’t shoot Barnes, does the word ricochet come to mind!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I never wounded a big game animal in my life, but a many times I have handed my rifle to the ones that did!

Funny thing, they were all shooting the “in style bullet” recommended by armchair specialists!!

Sounds familiar

Go figure!

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from idahooutdoors wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I usually go on the light side as well. I hunt big open country, and flat and fast has served me well. 150 grain Hornady interbonds in my 300 Win over 7828 SSC(don't have the grain load handy, it's at home, I am at the office), and 95 grain Nosler Partitions in my .243 over 7828 SSC as well.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Del,

I've used various Barnes X's over the years. One of my old favorites was a 150 grain boat tail X at about 2900 from an '06. It killed deer like a bolt from above. It would also shoot through large wild hogs like nobody's business! I killed several big boar between 400 & 500 pounds with that load. All exits on body shots even through the shields.

One problem with the older ones though, they would copper plate your bore. Took plenty of CR10 to get the stuff out. I've been testing some of the new ones which use a different alloy and also have the "relief" bands. Results looks good so far. I need to find another big boar to test them on!

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from Happy Myles wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

WoW, I left early yesterday, and made up for it by coming in late this morning. Got a hall pass to go to the Laker/Nugget game.

Since they but the grooves in the Barnes Triple Shock it is a different bullet, all for the better. I have taken over 70 animals with this bullet since the change, from 243 thru 416. Hope this keeps me out of the arm chair strategist category or Clay will make me throw them away, and go back to using Hornaday.

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from Happy Myles wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Sorry, that should have been specialist, not strategist. Looks like this subject has been covered from most angles.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I agree with you Happy. Before the grooves I didn't like the Barnes at all. Too much pressure, copper fouling and they would not group well in anything tried. That has all changed with triple shock and as long as they make them I will use them.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Forgot to add I use hornady bullets for prac-err training yeah that's it training at the range. They make a nice sound when I hit the 10 inch gong at 200 yd off hand. Well, got to get out of my armchair and go fix something for dinner. Yeah, I like to cook too.

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from Happy Myles wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Geez, I can.t even spell Hornady right. I keep telling you guys, if I could read or write, I would have had a legitimate job. Best to all.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

It was none other than the great one David E. Petzal that got me to try Barnes bullets again after he wrote up the triple shocks.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I have a friend that shoots Barnes Triple Shock out of his 37HH in 235 grain at 3150 and the thing is a tack driver.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Del,

The only "failure" I have encountered with a Barnes X was on a shot I took at a buck that came out literally under my stand. I was hunting a large Pecan Grove with my 25/06. Had to shoot him at 25 yards or nothing. The petals came off the 100 grain bullet and the remainder exited as a soild. I found 2 of the petals while cutting up the meat. For a bullet failure the performace was decent I'd say, he only went 20 yards! I simply asked that slug to do too much at that velocity and at close range, but it did it anyway.

I guess I'll get up out of my arm chair, pull my head out of my arm pit and warm up my wife. She does have a full set of teeth by the way!

Cheers!

Bee

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Beekeeper come over sometime and we'll put a new set of tires on the house.

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from DakotaMan wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

The Barnes bullets do provide comparative penetration results one weight down from a lead bullet because of the longer bullet. That means shooting a 90 grain Barnes instead of a 100 grain Hornady and expecting similar results. It does not mean that the 100 grain Barnes will go faster than the 100 grain Hornady. Although I do shoot Barnes bullets I don't intentionally move down a weight class for more speed. The main reason is the fact that I already have as much speed as I need. I shoot 100 grain Hornadys for deer in my 25-06 and have no interest in shooting 90 grains at 3600fps even if it provides the same great results. I am afraid that the smaller and faster bullet will be more likely to deflect off brush than a slower moving larger bullet. I sometimes even slow my 100 grain deer bullets down from 3250fps to 2800fps if I am going to be hunting in deep brush. If I use any more speed, I am also concerned about destroying way more meat than necessary.

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from rudyglove27 wrote 3 years 46 weeks ago

Agreed with DakotaMan and + 1 for you sir!!!

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

The Compleat Reloading Manual for the 25-06 lists a max charge of 59.7 grains H1000 with the Nosler partition for 3212 fps and 50,700 CUP. I load an even 60 grains behind the Barnes 100 grain triple X with no problems and get 3250 fps from my kimber with 24 inch barrel. The brass is WW and the primer is Fed 215. It appears to me the grooves lessen friction and pressure enough to use same powder charge as with any other bullet.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I'm going to push the envelope here but, I think you can push a Barnes as fast as any other bullet but maybe not as accurately because of the lack of lead in the bullet.

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I shoot and like Hornadys especially the SSTs and A-Maxs with high BC. Also I use a lot of Berger VLDs plus some Partitions and Sierra Gamekings. I can't swear that any ever blew up but I have wondered about some of the Hornadys and Sierras for various reasons. In my big 7 mm I use 168 VLD which holds up very well out to 1000 yards due to excellent construction, SD, and BC beginning in the neighborhood of 3400 fps. Accuracy is exceptional. With various calibers using Barnes I always back off a bit on the powder for the same reasons that Del stated, a factor that we have all known for decades as well as the need for the grooves. Those solid copper bullets drop em right now. Almost always shoots plum through the critter, in fact I don't remember this ever not happening. If a lead ban comes about we may all be shooting copper exclusively or perhaps an alloy. I tend to stick with various 117 gr at about 3100 in my .25-'06 due to a little better BC plus the added weight might give me more penetration without sacrificing trajectory. I tend to use 225 or 250 XXX or Partitions in the .338. Trajectory with the .338 is amazingly close to a .300 Win Mag but perceived KO is noticeably enhanced. Yep you can push those Barnes as fast as you want as long as you watch pressure signs like any other bullet and load. I've done it for years with no failures with dozens of different rifles. In fact some local guys get such fantastic performance from Barnes XXX in their .300 WSMs that I almost stooped to buy one just so as not to be left out. Of course the same bullet in my .300 Win Mag is even a little better. The truth is all of these calibers and bullets will work but its fun to argue about it anyway.

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from Happy Myles wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

WoW, I left early yesterday, and made up for it by coming in late this morning. Got a hall pass to go to the Laker/Nugget game.

Since they but the grooves in the Barnes Triple Shock it is a different bullet, all for the better. I have taken over 70 animals with this bullet since the change, from 243 thru 416. Hope this keeps me out of the arm chair strategist category or Clay will make me throw them away, and go back to using Hornaday.

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from Happy Myles wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Sorry, that should have been specialist, not strategist. Looks like this subject has been covered from most angles.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Del,

I've used various Barnes X's over the years. One of my old favorites was a 150 grain boat tail X at about 2900 from an '06. It killed deer like a bolt from above. It would also shoot through large wild hogs like nobody's business! I killed several big boar between 400 & 500 pounds with that load. All exits on body shots even through the shields.

One problem with the older ones though, they would copper plate your bore. Took plenty of CR10 to get the stuff out. I've been testing some of the new ones which use a different alloy and also have the "relief" bands. Results looks good so far. I need to find another big boar to test them on!

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from Jim in Mo wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Del, I read an article several months ago by Greg Rodriguez when he came back from an African hunt. He agreed with this theory wholeheartedly. BTW, he was using an '06 and he thought the Barnes didn't expand enough using the 180. He liked the results from the 165. Oh, he was testing the new Barnes MRX (basically the triple x with a flex tip). This theory may be true for the Barnes on big game, but for other bullets I'm not sure, other than the A-Frame which I would love to try.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Forgot to add I use hornady bullets for prac-err training yeah that's it training at the range. They make a nice sound when I hit the 10 inch gong at 200 yd off hand. Well, got to get out of my armchair and go fix something for dinner. Yeah, I like to cook too.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

It was none other than the great one David E. Petzal that got me to try Barnes bullets again after he wrote up the triple shocks.

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Beekeeper come over sometime and we'll put a new set of tires on the house.

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I also tend to prefer the middle to heavy weight bullets of any given caliber. I also will add that the reason I shoot 117s in the.25 is that an old friend gave me lots of these bullets before he died so I feel compelled to use them up. When I get around to buying more for big game I will probably select the 100 gr Barnes. By the way if you ever have a question you can call Barnes and they will bust their butts getting an answer for you.

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from shane wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

This is a good tip, but I've never been in a situation where I said "man, I wish I had a flatter trajectory". I lean towards the heavier bullet weights. The only long shots I take are at varmints, and .223 and .222 are plenty flat for me.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Oh and Clay every bullet has its limit you can push them only so fast before they blow up,and yes Hornady will blow up to.

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from Beekeeper wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Del,

The only "failure" I have encountered with a Barnes X was on a shot I took at a buck that came out literally under my stand. I was hunting a large Pecan Grove with my 25/06. Had to shoot him at 25 yards or nothing. The petals came off the 100 grain bullet and the remainder exited as a soild. I found 2 of the petals while cutting up the meat. For a bullet failure the performace was decent I'd say, he only went 20 yards! I simply asked that slug to do too much at that velocity and at close range, but it did it anyway.

I guess I'll get up out of my arm chair, pull my head out of my arm pit and warm up my wife. She does have a full set of teeth by the way!

Cheers!

Bee

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from Del in KS wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I agree with you Happy. Before the grooves I didn't like the Barnes at all. Too much pressure, copper fouling and they would not group well in anything tried. That has all changed with triple shock and as long as they make them I will use them.

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from Happy Myles wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

Geez, I can.t even spell Hornady right. I keep telling you guys, if I could read or write, I would have had a legitimate job. Best to all.

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from shane wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Also, me and guessing wind drift are not friends. Again, my shots are generally not long enough to worry about it much, but I like to have as little of it as possible. But I guess I'm not necessarily helping myself. Heavier bullets might cancel their wind bucking abilities with slower velocity and more flight time in some cases.

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from idahooutdoors wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I usually go on the light side as well. I hunt big open country, and flat and fast has served me well. 150 grain Hornady interbonds in my 300 Win over 7828 SSC(don't have the grain load handy, it's at home, I am at the office), and 95 grain Nosler Partitions in my .243 over 7828 SSC as well.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Del because of the rate of twist and amount of free bore in my picky Weatherby I cant drop in bullet weights, however I have shot the 160, and 175 barnes with great results but because of cost I still load 175 Partions. I do have some old Barnes X bullets that impressed the hell out of me on the range this year hope to give them a try on something that will fill my freezer.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Clay your right about the presures in a barnes but that is why they cut the grooves in the bullet but the velocity that you lose is minamal in my 7mmwby Im only loosing about 75fps and I can tell you that what I am shootin at wont know the differance.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Clay I have pushed Nosler Partions so fast that they came apart, and I know they are a better rifle bullet than Hornady, if you want to shoot 130s than get a 270. the only horady bullet I shoot is out of my 45 colt. And here is the differance in Partions and Barnes out of my 7mmWBY with a Partion it is 2988fps with a Barnes its 2921.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I have a friend that shoots Barnes Triple Shock out of his 37HH in 235 grain at 3150 and the thing is a tack driver.

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from Big O wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

"Grasshopper" asks can I get them in 165gr.,180gr. .308's.
I as usual bow to your wealth of knowledge "Master"
(LOL). Thanks for the heads up Del, I 'm off to the store now to try to find some.

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from DakotaMan wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

The Barnes bullets do provide comparative penetration results one weight down from a lead bullet because of the longer bullet. That means shooting a 90 grain Barnes instead of a 100 grain Hornady and expecting similar results. It does not mean that the 100 grain Barnes will go faster than the 100 grain Hornady. Although I do shoot Barnes bullets I don't intentionally move down a weight class for more speed. The main reason is the fact that I already have as much speed as I need. I shoot 100 grain Hornadys for deer in my 25-06 and have no interest in shooting 90 grains at 3600fps even if it provides the same great results. I am afraid that the smaller and faster bullet will be more likely to deflect off brush than a slower moving larger bullet. I sometimes even slow my 100 grain deer bullets down from 3250fps to 2800fps if I am going to be hunting in deep brush. If I use any more speed, I am also concerned about destroying way more meat than necessary.

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from rudyglove27 wrote 3 years 46 weeks ago

Agreed with DakotaMan and + 1 for you sir!!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

idduckhntr

The only Hornady I ever blew up was 100 Grain half jacket in a 300 Win Mag!

YOW!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

idduckhntr

I never had a problem out of Hornady except two times, once in my 44 mag shooting Hornady cast that leaded my barrel so bad it took days to get it out and the second is shooting 100 grain out of the 300 Win Mag I had.

I shoot Nosler Partitions and Hornady, other than the two previous problems why should I change when I get maximum performance from Jackrabbits to Moose with all “BANG FLOPS”. I shot my Moose with a Hornady 225 Grain out of my 338 Win Mag and dropped it like a mountain of rocks!

You can say whatever you want, my experience with winning countless Local, State and Regional Championships and all “BANG FLOPS” over whelmingly proves Hornady may not be the “Armor Piercing Game Bullet” you want, but does exceed both in accuracy, performance and makes it affordable to shoot.

As far as shooting 100 grainer’s out of a 25-06 in bean field’s granted their fantastic until the wind picks up and my Hornady 117SST’s and 117 SPBT’s really walks the dog! Besides I never came across any game wearing a bullet proof vest demanding a Barnes bullet! If I want more penetration, I’ll use my Nosler 120 grain Partitions and they shoot the same point of aim at 100 yards as the rest of my loads.

And as far as if you want to shoot 130s than get a 270, get real! 130 grain Hornady out of 308’s, 30-06 and 300 Win Mag on Trophy Mule Deer work fantastic!

One more thing, Hornady Match Bullets shoots flatter and is more accurate than Burgers VLD’s and Sierras etc especially on the 1000 yard line!

Has anyone ever tried Hornady’s 190 grain Soft Point Boat Tails? All the 30-06 sHunters in Alaska I handed a box to really love them!

Bottom line, you folks may be hung up on Barnes and A-Frames etc but my lifelong experience with shooting Hornady’s in my rifles proves that switching will not happen and if we were shooting side by side, you would be singing a different song! I’m totally satisfied in what I have with the performance to win numerous competitions and all bang flops, but like I said, if you want “Armor Piercing Game Bullet” go knock yourself out!

One more thing why I don’t shoot Barnes, does the word ricochet come to mind!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

In theory a fellow that wants his rifle to shoot fast and flat without using overloads should be able to do so by switching to Barnes Triple X bullets?

WHAT IN THE HELL YOU BEEN SMOKING SON!

I CAN SHOOT THE SAME WEIGHT HORNADY FASTER AND FLATTER THAN A BARNES ANY DAY!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

YOU CANNOT PUSH A BARNES LIKE YOU CAN A JACKETED BULLET BECAUSE A BARNES IS A SOLID COPPER BULLET!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

idduckhntr

What I've seen, the answer is no way!

But your right about the 75fps unles your shooting a bow!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I never wounded a big game animal in my life, but a many times I have handed my rifle to the ones that did!

Funny thing, they were all shooting the “in style bullet” recommended by armchair specialists!!

Sounds familiar

Go figure!

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