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Grizzly attacks remind me of one of my favorite stories, the man who killed the grizzly with an arrow as it attacked his son. See links in comment below. ~~~~~ It strikes me, though, that the release of "problem" bears in areas that are accessible by hunters should be a no-no. Better to eliminate such especially grizzlies. What do you think?
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the links:
http://www.fieldandstream.com/pages/fathers-arrows-saves-son-grizzly
http://www.codyenterprise.com/articles/2008/09/24/news/news3.txt
"Father's Arrows Saves Son From Grizzly".......
Ron J. Leming and his father were hunting elk when they came across the Grizzly.........
Leming tried to yell at the bear to scare it away but it charged, following him down a hillside.........
The younger Leming then fell and the bear was on him......
"I felt like I was in a vice, with the power that thing had," Leming said.......
Leming's father had shot the bear with an arrow when it was charging his son, but it took time for the bear to succumb to the injury.......While killing a Grizzly is normally illegal, in cases of self-defense, which this was ruled, it's permitted.........
Leming received stitches on his hands and arm and also had injuries on his back........
Events like these make me appreciate more why I love the game!!!!!!!!
I think you have to relocate the bear at least once. Just because an area is accessible by hunters doesn't mean that there will be any hunters there. It's probably not financially responsible for authorities to drive a bear way out into the sticks away from people. The fact still remains that if hunters are venturing into bear territory, then they know what that means and they should be prepared for it and willing to accept the risks.
Are you saying that you think they should have killed the bear in 2003 instead of relocating him?
i think the bears are apart of nature. people should be prepared and know the risks like micropterus said!
I dont think we should kill them because they wonder to civilization. Self Defense is a different story.
In Alaska if memory is correct they move them to Hitchenbrook island for release. There are no human settlements there.
I posted the Leming bear encounter last fall when it happened near my home town. Insofar as relocating problem bears the complexity of the existing situation generally dictates the outcome. Most of us hunters prefer relocation to destruction but if the bear continues to cause harm or damage the ultimate solution is left up to the state and they are usually removed permenantly from the population. Unfortunately this obviously lowers the potential for growth of the species in any area which delays the possibility of having the grizzlys return to a game or trophy status.
Bears have their place, but their place is not everywhere. I would rather see a bear made into a rug than have one that is a known problem in any close proximity to human activity- sportsmen assuming risk or not, human lives are just more valuable.
>Are you saying that you think they should have killed
>the bear in 2003 instead of relocating him?
"problem" black bears, relocation may be an option. "problem" grizzlies, seems to me this has a great potential for not working. Hikers etc would be at even greater risk, at least in the story the hunters had arrows!
I'm not an expert on the subject but would say this should have been, I hope, a cautionary tale for the re-locators.
I believe that if it really is a problem bear,if it is coming into urban areas etc,it should be put down.However, keep in mind I am pro hunting,a lot of "outdoorsmen" reckon they are so tough,like old time mountain men, but start crying when things get a little risky. Its not called the wild outdoors for nothing.If you want to tackle wild animals of any kind then grow some b++ls or go shoot cattle from the comfort of your pick-up.
YES people have to assume risk when hunting or hiking but if a bear or any other animal for that matter is a hazard and attacks a human relocate him to six feet under.
NEVER EVER go where animals with fangs and claws can reach you without a GUN big enough to kill the biggest animal you are likely to meet up with. Doing otherwise is just plain stupid.
Nice one Moishe you just put it out there plain and simple. Like if you are going to hunt coyotes in british colombia, use a 257 mag because a wolf, bear, cougar, or moose is going to laugh at you when you shoot it with a 22-250 and its explosive bullets.
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I think you have to relocate the bear at least once. Just because an area is accessible by hunters doesn't mean that there will be any hunters there. It's probably not financially responsible for authorities to drive a bear way out into the sticks away from people. The fact still remains that if hunters are venturing into bear territory, then they know what that means and they should be prepared for it and willing to accept the risks.
I believe that if it really is a problem bear,if it is coming into urban areas etc,it should be put down.However, keep in mind I am pro hunting,a lot of "outdoorsmen" reckon they are so tough,like old time mountain men, but start crying when things get a little risky. Its not called the wild outdoors for nothing.If you want to tackle wild animals of any kind then grow some b++ls or go shoot cattle from the comfort of your pick-up.
In Alaska if memory is correct they move them to Hitchenbrook island for release. There are no human settlements there.
I posted the Leming bear encounter last fall when it happened near my home town. Insofar as relocating problem bears the complexity of the existing situation generally dictates the outcome. Most of us hunters prefer relocation to destruction but if the bear continues to cause harm or damage the ultimate solution is left up to the state and they are usually removed permenantly from the population. Unfortunately this obviously lowers the potential for growth of the species in any area which delays the possibility of having the grizzlys return to a game or trophy status.
Are you saying that you think they should have killed the bear in 2003 instead of relocating him?
i think the bears are apart of nature. people should be prepared and know the risks like micropterus said!
I dont think we should kill them because they wonder to civilization. Self Defense is a different story.
Bears have their place, but their place is not everywhere. I would rather see a bear made into a rug than have one that is a known problem in any close proximity to human activity- sportsmen assuming risk or not, human lives are just more valuable.
>Are you saying that you think they should have killed
>the bear in 2003 instead of relocating him?
"problem" black bears, relocation may be an option. "problem" grizzlies, seems to me this has a great potential for not working. Hikers etc would be at even greater risk, at least in the story the hunters had arrows!
I'm not an expert on the subject but would say this should have been, I hope, a cautionary tale for the re-locators.
YES people have to assume risk when hunting or hiking but if a bear or any other animal for that matter is a hazard and attacks a human relocate him to six feet under.
NEVER EVER go where animals with fangs and claws can reach you without a GUN big enough to kill the biggest animal you are likely to meet up with. Doing otherwise is just plain stupid.
the links:
http://www.fieldandstream.com/pages/fathers-arrows-saves-son-grizzly
http://www.codyenterprise.com/articles/2008/09/24/news/news3.txt
"Father's Arrows Saves Son From Grizzly".......
Ron J. Leming and his father were hunting elk when they came across the Grizzly.........
Leming tried to yell at the bear to scare it away but it charged, following him down a hillside.........
The younger Leming then fell and the bear was on him......
"I felt like I was in a vice, with the power that thing had," Leming said.......
Leming's father had shot the bear with an arrow when it was charging his son, but it took time for the bear to succumb to the injury.......While killing a Grizzly is normally illegal, in cases of self-defense, which this was ruled, it's permitted.........
Leming received stitches on his hands and arm and also had injuries on his back........
Events like these make me appreciate more why I love the game!!!!!!!!
Nice one Moishe you just put it out there plain and simple. Like if you are going to hunt coyotes in british colombia, use a 257 mag because a wolf, bear, cougar, or moose is going to laugh at you when you shoot it with a 22-250 and its explosive bullets.
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