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March 13, 2009

Bourjaily: Nancy Pelosi and the AWB

By Phil Bourjaily

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, not normally considered a friend to gun owners, may have killed the proposed Assault Weapon Ban renewal with one shot. Here's the full story from MSNBC.

Although an industry friend tells me that in her private life, Representative Pelosi actually knows one end of a gun from the other and enjoys target shooting, that’s probably not why she opposes the ban. She wants to keep her Democratic majority in the House of Representatives, and she knows rural Democrats have a hard time running against the party’s anti-gun record.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Well, maybe this is symptomatic of a new wisdom and friendliness in the Democratic party, or maybe it's just a case of a stopped watch being correct at least twice a day. We'll just have to wait and see.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Nancy’s reply underscores the REAL affluence and influence the Radical Left is not having….and what are the priorities in ’09.

It’d be delightful this Obama/Democratic Congress improved hunting opportunities and conservation. The Democrats always seem to have smiled warmly on these issues. GOP never has been a friend to hunters and fishing.

Hope and Change??????? Maybe, Just maybe.

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from Beekeeper wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

The quiet before the storm perhaps...?

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from crm3006 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Pelosi is just as famous for foot-in-mouth comments as any other demoncrat. Also for crawfishing on statements made. Someone in this so-called administration must have noticed that there are NO "black rifles" on dealers shelves and ammo is either unavailable or very scarce. Demoncrats still blame the NRA and rifle totin' rednecks for the deafeat of Algore in '04, so just maybe the assault on the "assault weapons" is a recoginition that we are out here and voting,
and that state issues are not so easily manipulated as national elections.
One recurring question that nearly everyone fails to ask is: Why are the liberal
demoncrats so dead set on disarming the American public?

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from 60256 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

This isn't her opinion, it's a PR move.

Nate

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Her motives aside-this is good news.

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

With several democratic campaign promises broken already, including the incredible "No more pork" budgets, is this yet another case of telling a group something to make them happy (i.e. put them off guard) or is she going to run for something next year?

Most people only care about presidential elections. But the president can't place a public toilet without congressional approval. 2010 brings the Senatorial/rep race that could change the democratic majority in everything.

A lot of people are irked now, and they must know we are concerned about anti-gun laws that could stretch to the most reasonable hunting rifles.

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from steve182 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Nancy Pelosi a friendly? I think not. A wolf in sheep's clothin' at best.

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from Bob81 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Not a huge fan of Nancy Pelosi, but this is great news and an example of democracy at work. It's an example of the more radical of the democratic party knowing not to push the envelope too far, lest you you lose public support.

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from s-kfry wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Here's the most important line in the article: "Well, here's an example of why Pelosi is a much shrewder politician than she gets credit for"

If she is really serious about enforcing the laws already on the books (not sure where she thinks GWB wasn't enforcing laws) I will believe it when I see her block an assault weapons ban or a move to have all firearms and firearms owners registered. I think they do know that the last time they seriously mucked with the Second Amendment they got seriously spanked and are being a lot more careful this time. I think this is all about self preservation and party preservation, not true commitment to our Constitutional rights.

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from jjas wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I don't see this a change in Pelosi as much as a change in tactics. The Dems know that to remain in power they have to court the gun owners to some extent.

But that doesn't mean that lead bans, ammo serial numbers, closing/limiting gun ranges, no hunting on federal lands w/lead (for any game), higher taxes on ammo, private transactions having to be completed @ your local gun shop, no sales @ gun shows all still won't be pushed. No gun bans, but let's just take the teeth out of gun ownership.

Good news? I don't see good news here.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I'd say mainly tactics. You can'y hang out with Schumer,Kennedy,Clinton,and Brady and be considered a friend to gun owners. I still say we need to shake up Washington with 2 year term limits mandatory on senators and representives.

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from CPT BRAD wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

That is only an off the cuff comment, she is Parroting the NRA, thats it. Its a tactical move divide and concer. Its a play for off year elections and will assure domminace in 2010. Don't let your gaurd down its going to get interesting in the next few months. And like one commenter said, how long is the blame Bush song and dance going to play???? Good Lord, Sore winners!!?? Pitiful.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

It's always a mistake to try to guess a politician's core beliefs or values because this is based on an assumption that they have any. The Democrats, or at least most of them, realize that gun control is political suicide, so whether it's bowing to the will of the people or simple self-preservation, I predict we will not see any front-door bans. Watch out for that back door though, brothers and sisters.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Have you notice to add to MSNBC blog, it reads

PLEASE READ: All comments must be approved before appearing in the thread; time and space constraints prevent all comments from appearing. We will only approve comments that are directly related to the blog, use appropriate language and are not attacking the comments of others.

I wrote:

“the people I put in jail have more honor than the top administration in this organization.”
-Bob Hoffman, ATF agent, to Mike Wallace, on 60 Minutes, 1993-Jan

“The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble.”
-Senator Charles Schumer, D-NY, 2002-May-8

“America has many more guns than England, and a lower violent crime rate. Switzerland has many more guns than Germany, and a lower violent crime rate. England had much less crime in 1900, when the nation had no gun laws, than it does in 2000, when England has some of the most repressive gun laws in Europe. Gun prohibition leads to boldness by criminals, and passivity by the innocent - and therefore to many more violent crimes committed against the innocent.”
-David B. Kopel, in an interview with Carlo Stagnaro for Zola Times 2000-Oct-23

“Justice Department studies show that armed citizens are much less likely to suffer losses or personal injury from thieves”
-The Washington Post, 1992-Jan-7

“But focusing solely on guns is not the right question, according to Joe Morse, president of Seacoast Firearms in Hampton. Morse pointed out that New Hampshire has the second lowest homicide rate in the country, while Granite Staters own the most guns per family of any state in the nation.”
-the Portsmouth Herald, 1999-Apr-22 (shortly after Columbine), "Gun laws debated", by Steve Jusseaume

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
-George Orwell

“But I don't want to defend myself.”
-reportedly uttered by a Brady Law supporter

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Speaker Pelosi maybe smarter than we taken granted for maybe because

“We the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”
-Abraham Lincoln

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from huntfish37 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Just more non-answers from pelosi. Did you read the message boards, there is some really funny stuff from anti-gun people. One guy even suggested communism.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

If you noticed MSNBC picked out the ones only on Thursday that fit there point of view and there is nothing for Friday.

GO FIGURE!

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from matt28 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

If Pelosi (or Harry Reid for that matter) is a friend to gun owners then I'm the Prime Minister of Tasmania. This is obviously a case of politicos who are realists enough to know which way the wind is blowing... lets just be sure to keep it blowing that way. True, the likes of Schumer, Boxer, Feinstein, etc have a true and ingrained hatred of firearms and anyone who owns one and nothing - including the possibility of being swept from power - will move them. While I don't trust Pelosi or Reid anymore now than I ever did or ever will, it is nice to know that those who have their finger on the power buttons must now take the humble opinions of us gun-toters into account... if only by political necessity, its better than nothing.

I suppose this is a nice side-affect to come out of that post-election rush on assault weapons, accessories, and ammo. The important thing to remember is that once that proverbal blowing wind I mentioned stops blowing, Pelosi and Reid might not be so gung-ho about oppossing Feinstein's latest legislative brainstorm.

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from Sportsman Matt wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

As my grandfather used to say, the only politician you can trust is one 6 feet under, and even then don't trust them.

Or the one I like, those that can, do. those that can't, teach. Those that can't teach become politicians.

I see this as PR, plain and simple. The politicians got problems keeping government afloat (along with their "modestly" high salaries and lack of paying taxes) with increasing taxes across the country while honest out of work folks are feeling the brunt with foreclosures and layoffs.

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from Shaky wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I do NOT trust Nanny P. any more than I ever did, and she is not the only one I don't trust. After the Fascists have secured their majority position in two years we will see just how opposed Nanny P. is to anti-gun legislation. But for the short term, maybe I will be able to buy a few primers now that it will appear that the heat is off.

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from LutherMartin1517 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

It's a trick!

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from elmer f. wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

nah, i think it is just a ploy. i think what they will do is try to secretly attach something to a bill that can not fail, unless the additiion is discovered AND revealed in time to stop it. if it gets through the house and senate, our "fearful leader" will sign anything, especially if it has a nice little jewel like anti-gun legislation in it! IMO, the next 4 years are going to be hell on my (and many others) nerves!

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from dogman wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

For God's sake don't ever think the heat is off. Be ever vigilant and let our representatives know exactly what you think because it does matter. Ben Franklin once said ... we must all hang together or surely we will hang separately...

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from wingshooter54 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

consider the source this came from - MSNBC - absolutely the worst, far left bought and paid for media broadcasting today. This is probably a PR tactic to divert concern from the real agenda. Pelosi and the far left want to disarm law abiding honest American citizens and will continue to try and do so. I wouldn't trust this lady(?) or anything she says at any time.

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from bluegraytx wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Always remember that a politician's primary job is to do whatever it takes to get re-elected, and that it only takes 50 percent of the vote plus one to achieve victory. And since about half the electorate doesn't vote, that means about 75 percent of us have little or no impact on a politician's voting record. Remember this the next time an election rolls around. Support the NRA and VOTE.

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from berkmach wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

She, and her cabal, are only averting a powerful shock by not touching the bare wires until they can come up with a way to bypass the circuit. Don't believe for a millisecond that this has anything to do with a policy change or some miraculous realignment of principles. If you don't belong to the NRA, join. If you already belong, sign someone else up. If you have a problem with the NRA, you are not alone. If you let these minor peeves keep you from belonging to our most effective force, good and faults combined, you are part of the problem through inaction.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Mr. Cooper . . .

Nice quote from Lincoln. I had been previously been unaware of it. Lincoln's statement is as meaningful, appropriate and timely now as it was some 140-150 years ago.

TWD

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from fatguy wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Thanks jjas. Your words speak a lot of truth about what is being tried or will be tried on us. Be ever vigilant about all our freedoms. Ben Franklin told us: Any man who would give up some of his freedom for security deserves neither! People, give up not ONE of our freedoms.

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from blueridge wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

It is wise, not cynical, to never trust politicians. Encourage them when they are right, and fire them when they are wrong...

Probably, shooters are the one group in this country that cannot---absolutely cannot--go to sleep at the switch.

Stow and restow, and lock and load.

Blue

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from jamesti wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

i read an aticle in my local paper last week that said the dems are changing their 2a stance because they know they will be spanked in the near future if they don't. this is a reelection ploy. don'y buy it. the worst is yet to come. as i said before, buy more ammo.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I agree; it sounds like an off the cuff comment with no real validity. NOW, if she supports gun owner's legislation that will be the proof in the pudding, as the saying goes...

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from USAF_outdoorsman wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Ive seen this magic trick before, its called "slide of hand"

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from blueridge wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Hey, USAF...isn't the phrase, "Slight of hand"? But Speaker Pelosi probably is displaying it...

Be wary.

Blue

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from jamesti wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

the next thing we will hear is the liberal king kennedy pushing for more gun ownwership. of course he could go buy one himself. then he would probably shoot himself just trying to load it. we should send them all to california and then push it into the ocean.

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from lost my zero wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

my grandpa told me "Politics is like a septic tank, only the really big chunks rise to the top"

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from Gunslinger wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Just maybe the DC folks finally got the message that us gun tooting guys do mean business when voting time comes.Regardless, how we slice the pie, always be alert to what is said on TV and all that comes from DC. What-ever P's reasons are, at least to this point, she appears to be on our team. Lets hope she improves with pratice and this issue can rest again for a few months. Regardless, Firearms,Ammo both going up in leaps and bounds. If you low on either,better buy up a supply, especially if you prefer lead to copper. Reloading equiptment also applies. Even plain old 22's gonna to be copper. Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Go Nancy - Even an old dog can learn new tricks!

Don't know much about her but I hope she is monitoring the swell in spending on ammunition and guns. Can't say that I agree with all that the Obama administration is doing but they seem to be paying at least some attention to public opinion - unlike the "W" administration.

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from JohnR wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I'm sure the Dems have taken notice about the feeding frenzy on guns and ammo both pre and post election. I also have read several articles by good anaylsts ststing that the Dems blame the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban for allowing the Republicans to take the house for the first time in 50 years and also for Al Gore losing to GW in 2000. I expect them to threaten and posture about firearms, but I think it's mostly a dog and pony show to placate the progressives that got them elected. It would be counter productive to introduce any new firearms laws and this way they get the best of both worlds. They keep the liberals happy, and slow down the NRA and the rest of us gun owners from nipping at their heels.

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from blueridge wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I like JohnR's analysis. The current Democrats do not want to lose ground, especially this early in the new administration. Gov. Palin touched a visible nerve with the American gun-owning community so that opposition leaders took notice. They have bigger fish to fry with Health Reform and Budget issues...they need all the good will they can get.

Blue

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from logan.vandermay wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I suggest everyone beware of the liberal machine that is in office right now. They all lie to get their agendas secretly through the loopholes and behind the curtains. If you do not beleive me you should look up bill Blair Holt Firearm Bill HR45 that was just introduced into the house. You can google it and find out the information. It is disgusting. PROTECT OUR SECOND AMENDMENT.

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from nc30-06 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

If it is a democrat, be on guard and wary. They would lie to God if it meant they would win an election. Heck, they already have. They are a low form of life. Great examples along with Pelosi are Frank, Murtha, Kenney, Kerry, Daschle, and on and on.

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from jamesti wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

the only thing the liberals are paying attention to are their chances for re-election. the real fight is yet to come. brace for the storm and batten down the hatches!

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from Tim Platt wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Rumor has it Nancy was once the only person in her district (San Francisco and beyond) that actually had a concealed carry permit. Lovely woman to say the least. And I will.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

All:

In today's edition (15 March 2009) of The New York Times, available online--see

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/us/politics/14web-hulse.html?ref=us

--there is an article that specifically talks about the Democratic Party, Speaker Pelosi, and the Democratic Party's internal conflicts about guns, the 2nd Amendment, and the Attorney General's proposed AWB. My impression from the article is that while Pelosi and other key leaders in the Democratic party may long for an AWB in their dreams at night, in the light of day, in the everyday political reality which even they have to live in, they are sharply aware that the majority of their constituents own guns and aren't in any mood to have their gun rights messed with.

Conclusion: I don't think we have to worry about an AWB anytime soon, although I agree we always have to keep our eyes open and be on the lookout for anti-gun legislation, sneaky or otherwise.

TWD

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from Gunslinger wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

RW DAvidson. You so right, I agree 100%. Times are changing, as those in power want to stay there. When you got enough $$$$ to get elected, then the only thing left for them is POWER, and once they get a taste of it, the don't wan't to give it up. Me,I want to own guns, and hunt as long as i can. Care less who's in DC.

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from TommyNash wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

No matter how you slice it, she and the rest of her leftist/socialist buddies suck. If it sounds too good to be true, it is....they're up to something.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

General Wesley Clark what isle are the assault weapons and explosives are in Wal-Mart!

On Geraldo Rivera on FOX News last night 03/15/09, General Wesley Clark said we must reinstate the assault weapons and explosives ban. If US made “fully automatic” weapons and explosives are being bought in the US and smuggled into Mexico, where did they get them! They have serial numbers and ATF can track them down to the point of sale. You must have a permit to possess period! Being retired military myself, General Clark should know the difference between a bullet and a golf ball!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Wesley Clark doesn't know $h1t from Shinola. he is just been drinking the Liberal's Kool-Aid for too long. He evidenced that in his bumbling Presidential primary run. I am truly amazed that he made it past 2nd Lieutenant. Can you spell" B-O-Z-O" ?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Woops. Should read: "He has just been drinking..."

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from Dan the Man wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

I don't care what her motives are, this is a good thing for gun owners.

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from freeparking wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Well, here's some interesting news: DOD ends sale of expended military brass to remanufacturers. Nice. Now we pay more, our local LOEs pay more and congress didn't lift a finger.

http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.ht...

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

All:

On a related topic, today's issue (16 March 2009) of the New York Times has an article on the effect and impact of the U.S. Supreme Court's Heller decision (now 8 months old) on lower courts and their rulings across the country. An interesting article, well worth reading.

See http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/us/17bar.html

T.W. Davidson

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from Tim Platt wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Good grief it took me three tries to get on. Now I remember why I stay away so often. Made me change my password I had had for over two years and now I can never remember the new one. Used to automatically know me... now not so much.

You guys really are kidding yourselves aren't you? Same trick always seems to get you. Of course we don't want your guns just relax and go away. HA HA HA... Just like Obama is cutting back on government spending. Say one thing and do another how many times do we have to hear this crap before we recognize it for what it is?

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from Gunslinger wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Dr Ralph: I had the same problem with this new format and had to get a new User name and password. Even after all that, some nights, have to re-sign in again. I like the old format much better , but some Puter Junkie had a brain storm or melt down. Glad you came back to life. How was your trip?????

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Maybe there is hope in the Democratic party after all. Any pro-hunter or pro-gun politician in the Democratic party is a plus. We really need help when it comes to that.

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from Colorado Samurai wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Just a small note, while the elections were going on I bothered to look up the voting record of the Democratic party. Combining that with where things seem to be going I can report the following: Approximately 1/4 - 1/3 of all Democratic Congressional House and Senate are pro-second amendment, anti-gun control. Furthermore, a number of county representatives here in Colorado are life members of the NRA. That may also be a reason not to worry about it. Pres. Obama may never receive firearm control legislation on his desk.

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from freeparking wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Even if, and it's a big if, the dems can restrain themselves on gun legislation it doesn't mean the executive branch won't do their best to tighten up on guns n' ammo.
Guns out of the cockpit? Check. End sale of once fired military brass? Check. That's just one week.

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from dave the bowhunter wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

crm 306.......the democrats are so set on taking guns away,because of the laws they allways try to make,and there scared the public will revolt against them just like with hitler ,and a few other people,,if they got all your guns then they wont have to worry about what the public might try...kerry was against guns to ,you see where it got him,and clinton held a duck for a photo ,that he dint even go hunting or shoot it...when a repblican is in there your guns are safe george washington was a republican, you see what he fought for..

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from dave the bowhunter wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

i think obama and pelouskey, wil try to hold off on gun rules till they get voted in a second term,then hammer down.if they get in

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Pro-gun Democrats are our best friends right now. Since their party is in power, their voices are heard by the powers that be. Who the heck is listening to rank and file Republicans?

By the way, the 2 Democrat Senators from Montana got the DoD to reverse the ban on sale of once-fired brass. Could it be that HSM, a large remanufacturer of ammo, is located in MT?

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from semp wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

'Term Limits' ... We really need Congressional Term Limits. Those that have voted in the likes of Dodd, Frank, Kennedy, Pelosi, Schummer ... will do so for the life of the candidate. These folks are now and were when elected qualified at nothing to do with government. There is a "love affair" between them and their constituencies. Just look at Byrd of West Virginia ... come on go fishing already!

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from wehuntnebraska wrote 5 years 3 weeks ago

I don't trust Nancy and I sure as heck am no supporter of Obama.
We don't need gun control, we need crime control!
Nancy is two faced, she's like a blind rattler in the dog days of summer.
Obama is not this country's savior and Pelosi is no apostle of freedom!

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from platte river rat wrote 5 years 2 weeks ago

with elections for Congress coming up next year, Nancy has to play both side and the middle of the road to try and get more of her people elected. Did anyone notice, the POPE, said Nancy has a big mouth and no brains.

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from Jeff Bowers wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

With several democratic campaign promises broken already, including the incredible "No more pork" budgets, is this yet another case of telling a group something to make them happy (i.e. put them off guard) or is she going to run for something next year?

Most people only care about presidential elections. But the president can't place a public toilet without congressional approval. 2010 brings the Senatorial/rep race that could change the democratic majority in everything.

A lot of people are irked now, and they must know we are concerned about anti-gun laws that could stretch to the most reasonable hunting rifles.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

It's always a mistake to try to guess a politician's core beliefs or values because this is based on an assumption that they have any. The Democrats, or at least most of them, realize that gun control is political suicide, so whether it's bowing to the will of the people or simple self-preservation, I predict we will not see any front-door bans. Watch out for that back door though, brothers and sisters.

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from steve182 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Nancy Pelosi a friendly? I think not. A wolf in sheep's clothin' at best.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Have you notice to add to MSNBC blog, it reads

PLEASE READ: All comments must be approved before appearing in the thread; time and space constraints prevent all comments from appearing. We will only approve comments that are directly related to the blog, use appropriate language and are not attacking the comments of others.

I wrote:

“the people I put in jail have more honor than the top administration in this organization.”
-Bob Hoffman, ATF agent, to Mike Wallace, on 60 Minutes, 1993-Jan

“The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble.”
-Senator Charles Schumer, D-NY, 2002-May-8

“America has many more guns than England, and a lower violent crime rate. Switzerland has many more guns than Germany, and a lower violent crime rate. England had much less crime in 1900, when the nation had no gun laws, than it does in 2000, when England has some of the most repressive gun laws in Europe. Gun prohibition leads to boldness by criminals, and passivity by the innocent - and therefore to many more violent crimes committed against the innocent.”
-David B. Kopel, in an interview with Carlo Stagnaro for Zola Times 2000-Oct-23

“Justice Department studies show that armed citizens are much less likely to suffer losses or personal injury from thieves”
-The Washington Post, 1992-Jan-7

“But focusing solely on guns is not the right question, according to Joe Morse, president of Seacoast Firearms in Hampton. Morse pointed out that New Hampshire has the second lowest homicide rate in the country, while Granite Staters own the most guns per family of any state in the nation.”
-the Portsmouth Herald, 1999-Apr-22 (shortly after Columbine), "Gun laws debated", by Steve Jusseaume

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
-George Orwell

“But I don't want to defend myself.”
-reportedly uttered by a Brady Law supporter

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from Beekeeper wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

The quiet before the storm perhaps...?

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from s-kfry wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Here's the most important line in the article: "Well, here's an example of why Pelosi is a much shrewder politician than she gets credit for"

If she is really serious about enforcing the laws already on the books (not sure where she thinks GWB wasn't enforcing laws) I will believe it when I see her block an assault weapons ban or a move to have all firearms and firearms owners registered. I think they do know that the last time they seriously mucked with the Second Amendment they got seriously spanked and are being a lot more careful this time. I think this is all about self preservation and party preservation, not true commitment to our Constitutional rights.

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from jjas wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I don't see this a change in Pelosi as much as a change in tactics. The Dems know that to remain in power they have to court the gun owners to some extent.

But that doesn't mean that lead bans, ammo serial numbers, closing/limiting gun ranges, no hunting on federal lands w/lead (for any game), higher taxes on ammo, private transactions having to be completed @ your local gun shop, no sales @ gun shows all still won't be pushed. No gun bans, but let's just take the teeth out of gun ownership.

Good news? I don't see good news here.

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from LutherMartin1517 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

It's a trick!

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from berkmach wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

She, and her cabal, are only averting a powerful shock by not touching the bare wires until they can come up with a way to bypass the circuit. Don't believe for a millisecond that this has anything to do with a policy change or some miraculous realignment of principles. If you don't belong to the NRA, join. If you already belong, sign someone else up. If you have a problem with the NRA, you are not alone. If you let these minor peeves keep you from belonging to our most effective force, good and faults combined, you are part of the problem through inaction.

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from crm3006 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Pelosi is just as famous for foot-in-mouth comments as any other demoncrat. Also for crawfishing on statements made. Someone in this so-called administration must have noticed that there are NO "black rifles" on dealers shelves and ammo is either unavailable or very scarce. Demoncrats still blame the NRA and rifle totin' rednecks for the deafeat of Algore in '04, so just maybe the assault on the "assault weapons" is a recoginition that we are out here and voting,
and that state issues are not so easily manipulated as national elections.
One recurring question that nearly everyone fails to ask is: Why are the liberal
demoncrats so dead set on disarming the American public?

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from 60256 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

This isn't her opinion, it's a PR move.

Nate

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from dogman wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

For God's sake don't ever think the heat is off. Be ever vigilant and let our representatives know exactly what you think because it does matter. Ben Franklin once said ... we must all hang together or surely we will hang separately...

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from wingshooter54 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

consider the source this came from - MSNBC - absolutely the worst, far left bought and paid for media broadcasting today. This is probably a PR tactic to divert concern from the real agenda. Pelosi and the far left want to disarm law abiding honest American citizens and will continue to try and do so. I wouldn't trust this lady(?) or anything she says at any time.

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from lost my zero wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

my grandpa told me "Politics is like a septic tank, only the really big chunks rise to the top"

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Well, maybe this is symptomatic of a new wisdom and friendliness in the Democratic party, or maybe it's just a case of a stopped watch being correct at least twice a day. We'll just have to wait and see.

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from CPT BRAD wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

That is only an off the cuff comment, she is Parroting the NRA, thats it. Its a tactical move divide and concer. Its a play for off year elections and will assure domminace in 2010. Don't let your gaurd down its going to get interesting in the next few months. And like one commenter said, how long is the blame Bush song and dance going to play???? Good Lord, Sore winners!!?? Pitiful.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Speaker Pelosi maybe smarter than we taken granted for maybe because

“We the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”
-Abraham Lincoln

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from huntfish37 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Just more non-answers from pelosi. Did you read the message boards, there is some really funny stuff from anti-gun people. One guy even suggested communism.

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from Shaky wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I do NOT trust Nanny P. any more than I ever did, and she is not the only one I don't trust. After the Fascists have secured their majority position in two years we will see just how opposed Nanny P. is to anti-gun legislation. But for the short term, maybe I will be able to buy a few primers now that it will appear that the heat is off.

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from elmer f. wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

nah, i think it is just a ploy. i think what they will do is try to secretly attach something to a bill that can not fail, unless the additiion is discovered AND revealed in time to stop it. if it gets through the house and senate, our "fearful leader" will sign anything, especially if it has a nice little jewel like anti-gun legislation in it! IMO, the next 4 years are going to be hell on my (and many others) nerves!

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from JohnR wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I'm sure the Dems have taken notice about the feeding frenzy on guns and ammo both pre and post election. I also have read several articles by good anaylsts ststing that the Dems blame the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban for allowing the Republicans to take the house for the first time in 50 years and also for Al Gore losing to GW in 2000. I expect them to threaten and posture about firearms, but I think it's mostly a dog and pony show to placate the progressives that got them elected. It would be counter productive to introduce any new firearms laws and this way they get the best of both worlds. They keep the liberals happy, and slow down the NRA and the rest of us gun owners from nipping at their heels.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I suggest everyone beware of the liberal machine that is in office right now. They all lie to get their agendas secretly through the loopholes and behind the curtains. If you do not beleive me you should look up bill Blair Holt Firearm Bill HR45 that was just introduced into the house. You can google it and find out the information. It is disgusting. PROTECT OUR SECOND AMENDMENT.

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from nc30-06 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

If it is a democrat, be on guard and wary. They would lie to God if it meant they would win an election. Heck, they already have. They are a low form of life. Great examples along with Pelosi are Frank, Murtha, Kenney, Kerry, Daschle, and on and on.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Her motives aside-this is good news.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I'd say mainly tactics. You can'y hang out with Schumer,Kennedy,Clinton,and Brady and be considered a friend to gun owners. I still say we need to shake up Washington with 2 year term limits mandatory on senators and representives.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

If you noticed MSNBC picked out the ones only on Thursday that fit there point of view and there is nothing for Friday.

GO FIGURE!

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from matt28 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

If Pelosi (or Harry Reid for that matter) is a friend to gun owners then I'm the Prime Minister of Tasmania. This is obviously a case of politicos who are realists enough to know which way the wind is blowing... lets just be sure to keep it blowing that way. True, the likes of Schumer, Boxer, Feinstein, etc have a true and ingrained hatred of firearms and anyone who owns one and nothing - including the possibility of being swept from power - will move them. While I don't trust Pelosi or Reid anymore now than I ever did or ever will, it is nice to know that those who have their finger on the power buttons must now take the humble opinions of us gun-toters into account... if only by political necessity, its better than nothing.

I suppose this is a nice side-affect to come out of that post-election rush on assault weapons, accessories, and ammo. The important thing to remember is that once that proverbal blowing wind I mentioned stops blowing, Pelosi and Reid might not be so gung-ho about oppossing Feinstein's latest legislative brainstorm.

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from Sportsman Matt wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

As my grandfather used to say, the only politician you can trust is one 6 feet under, and even then don't trust them.

Or the one I like, those that can, do. those that can't, teach. Those that can't teach become politicians.

I see this as PR, plain and simple. The politicians got problems keeping government afloat (along with their "modestly" high salaries and lack of paying taxes) with increasing taxes across the country while honest out of work folks are feeling the brunt with foreclosures and layoffs.

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from bluegraytx wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Always remember that a politician's primary job is to do whatever it takes to get re-elected, and that it only takes 50 percent of the vote plus one to achieve victory. And since about half the electorate doesn't vote, that means about 75 percent of us have little or no impact on a politician's voting record. Remember this the next time an election rolls around. Support the NRA and VOTE.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Mr. Cooper . . .

Nice quote from Lincoln. I had been previously been unaware of it. Lincoln's statement is as meaningful, appropriate and timely now as it was some 140-150 years ago.

TWD

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from fatguy wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Thanks jjas. Your words speak a lot of truth about what is being tried or will be tried on us. Be ever vigilant about all our freedoms. Ben Franklin told us: Any man who would give up some of his freedom for security deserves neither! People, give up not ONE of our freedoms.

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from blueridge wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

It is wise, not cynical, to never trust politicians. Encourage them when they are right, and fire them when they are wrong...

Probably, shooters are the one group in this country that cannot---absolutely cannot--go to sleep at the switch.

Stow and restow, and lock and load.

Blue

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from jamesti wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

i read an aticle in my local paper last week that said the dems are changing their 2a stance because they know they will be spanked in the near future if they don't. this is a reelection ploy. don'y buy it. the worst is yet to come. as i said before, buy more ammo.

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from USAF_outdoorsman wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Ive seen this magic trick before, its called "slide of hand"

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from blueridge wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Hey, USAF...isn't the phrase, "Slight of hand"? But Speaker Pelosi probably is displaying it...

Be wary.

Blue

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from Gunslinger wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Just maybe the DC folks finally got the message that us gun tooting guys do mean business when voting time comes.Regardless, how we slice the pie, always be alert to what is said on TV and all that comes from DC. What-ever P's reasons are, at least to this point, she appears to be on our team. Lets hope she improves with pratice and this issue can rest again for a few months. Regardless, Firearms,Ammo both going up in leaps and bounds. If you low on either,better buy up a supply, especially if you prefer lead to copper. Reloading equiptment also applies. Even plain old 22's gonna to be copper. Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

All:

In today's edition (15 March 2009) of The New York Times, available online--see

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/us/politics/14web-hulse.html?ref=us

--there is an article that specifically talks about the Democratic Party, Speaker Pelosi, and the Democratic Party's internal conflicts about guns, the 2nd Amendment, and the Attorney General's proposed AWB. My impression from the article is that while Pelosi and other key leaders in the Democratic party may long for an AWB in their dreams at night, in the light of day, in the everyday political reality which even they have to live in, they are sharply aware that the majority of their constituents own guns and aren't in any mood to have their gun rights messed with.

Conclusion: I don't think we have to worry about an AWB anytime soon, although I agree we always have to keep our eyes open and be on the lookout for anti-gun legislation, sneaky or otherwise.

TWD

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from Tim Platt wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Good grief it took me three tries to get on. Now I remember why I stay away so often. Made me change my password I had had for over two years and now I can never remember the new one. Used to automatically know me... now not so much.

You guys really are kidding yourselves aren't you? Same trick always seems to get you. Of course we don't want your guns just relax and go away. HA HA HA... Just like Obama is cutting back on government spending. Say one thing and do another how many times do we have to hear this crap before we recognize it for what it is?

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from Bob81 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Not a huge fan of Nancy Pelosi, but this is great news and an example of democracy at work. It's an example of the more radical of the democratic party knowing not to push the envelope too far, lest you you lose public support.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I agree; it sounds like an off the cuff comment with no real validity. NOW, if she supports gun owner's legislation that will be the proof in the pudding, as the saying goes...

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from jamesti wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

the next thing we will hear is the liberal king kennedy pushing for more gun ownwership. of course he could go buy one himself. then he would probably shoot himself just trying to load it. we should send them all to california and then push it into the ocean.

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from blueridge wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

I like JohnR's analysis. The current Democrats do not want to lose ground, especially this early in the new administration. Gov. Palin touched a visible nerve with the American gun-owning community so that opposition leaders took notice. They have bigger fish to fry with Health Reform and Budget issues...they need all the good will they can get.

Blue

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from jamesti wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

the only thing the liberals are paying attention to are their chances for re-election. the real fight is yet to come. brace for the storm and batten down the hatches!

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from Tim Platt wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Rumor has it Nancy was once the only person in her district (San Francisco and beyond) that actually had a concealed carry permit. Lovely woman to say the least. And I will.

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from Gunslinger wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

RW DAvidson. You so right, I agree 100%. Times are changing, as those in power want to stay there. When you got enough $$$$ to get elected, then the only thing left for them is POWER, and once they get a taste of it, the don't wan't to give it up. Me,I want to own guns, and hunt as long as i can. Care less who's in DC.

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from TommyNash wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

No matter how you slice it, she and the rest of her leftist/socialist buddies suck. If it sounds too good to be true, it is....they're up to something.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

General Wesley Clark what isle are the assault weapons and explosives are in Wal-Mart!

On Geraldo Rivera on FOX News last night 03/15/09, General Wesley Clark said we must reinstate the assault weapons and explosives ban. If US made “fully automatic” weapons and explosives are being bought in the US and smuggled into Mexico, where did they get them! They have serial numbers and ATF can track them down to the point of sale. You must have a permit to possess period! Being retired military myself, General Clark should know the difference between a bullet and a golf ball!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Wesley Clark doesn't know $h1t from Shinola. he is just been drinking the Liberal's Kool-Aid for too long. He evidenced that in his bumbling Presidential primary run. I am truly amazed that he made it past 2nd Lieutenant. Can you spell" B-O-Z-O" ?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Woops. Should read: "He has just been drinking..."

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from Dan the Man wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

I don't care what her motives are, this is a good thing for gun owners.

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from freeparking wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Well, here's some interesting news: DOD ends sale of expended military brass to remanufacturers. Nice. Now we pay more, our local LOEs pay more and congress didn't lift a finger.

http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.ht...

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

All:

On a related topic, today's issue (16 March 2009) of the New York Times has an article on the effect and impact of the U.S. Supreme Court's Heller decision (now 8 months old) on lower courts and their rulings across the country. An interesting article, well worth reading.

See http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/us/17bar.html

T.W. Davidson

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from Gunslinger wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Dr Ralph: I had the same problem with this new format and had to get a new User name and password. Even after all that, some nights, have to re-sign in again. I like the old format much better , but some Puter Junkie had a brain storm or melt down. Glad you came back to life. How was your trip?????

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Maybe there is hope in the Democratic party after all. Any pro-hunter or pro-gun politician in the Democratic party is a plus. We really need help when it comes to that.

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from Colorado Samurai wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Just a small note, while the elections were going on I bothered to look up the voting record of the Democratic party. Combining that with where things seem to be going I can report the following: Approximately 1/4 - 1/3 of all Democratic Congressional House and Senate are pro-second amendment, anti-gun control. Furthermore, a number of county representatives here in Colorado are life members of the NRA. That may also be a reason not to worry about it. Pres. Obama may never receive firearm control legislation on his desk.

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from freeparking wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Even if, and it's a big if, the dems can restrain themselves on gun legislation it doesn't mean the executive branch won't do their best to tighten up on guns n' ammo.
Guns out of the cockpit? Check. End sale of once fired military brass? Check. That's just one week.

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from dave the bowhunter wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

crm 306.......the democrats are so set on taking guns away,because of the laws they allways try to make,and there scared the public will revolt against them just like with hitler ,and a few other people,,if they got all your guns then they wont have to worry about what the public might try...kerry was against guns to ,you see where it got him,and clinton held a duck for a photo ,that he dint even go hunting or shoot it...when a repblican is in there your guns are safe george washington was a republican, you see what he fought for..

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from dave the bowhunter wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

i think obama and pelouskey, wil try to hold off on gun rules till they get voted in a second term,then hammer down.if they get in

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

Pro-gun Democrats are our best friends right now. Since their party is in power, their voices are heard by the powers that be. Who the heck is listening to rank and file Republicans?

By the way, the 2 Democrat Senators from Montana got the DoD to reverse the ban on sale of once-fired brass. Could it be that HSM, a large remanufacturer of ammo, is located in MT?

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from semp wrote 5 years 4 weeks ago

'Term Limits' ... We really need Congressional Term Limits. Those that have voted in the likes of Dodd, Frank, Kennedy, Pelosi, Schummer ... will do so for the life of the candidate. These folks are now and were when elected qualified at nothing to do with government. There is a "love affair" between them and their constituencies. Just look at Byrd of West Virginia ... come on go fishing already!

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from wehuntnebraska wrote 5 years 3 weeks ago

I don't trust Nancy and I sure as heck am no supporter of Obama.
We don't need gun control, we need crime control!
Nancy is two faced, she's like a blind rattler in the dog days of summer.
Obama is not this country's savior and Pelosi is no apostle of freedom!

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from platte river rat wrote 5 years 2 weeks ago

with elections for Congress coming up next year, Nancy has to play both side and the middle of the road to try and get more of her people elected. Did anyone notice, the POPE, said Nancy has a big mouth and no brains.

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from Scott in Ohio wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Go Nancy - Even an old dog can learn new tricks!

Don't know much about her but I hope she is monitoring the swell in spending on ammunition and guns. Can't say that I agree with all that the Obama administration is doing but they seem to be paying at least some attention to public opinion - unlike the "W" administration.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 5 weeks ago

Nancy’s reply underscores the REAL affluence and influence the Radical Left is not having….and what are the priorities in ’09.

It’d be delightful this Obama/Democratic Congress improved hunting opportunities and conservation. The Democrats always seem to have smiled warmly on these issues. GOP never has been a friend to hunters and fishing.

Hope and Change??????? Maybe, Just maybe.

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