


May 08, 2009
Petzal: The Gun Builder As Artist
By David E. Petzal
A couple of days ago I was filling out a 4473 at Safari Outfitters, thereby ensuring that I was not a menace to society, and virtually under my nose was one of the most gorgeous rifles I’d ever seen. It was a highly engraved .458 made in the late 1960s by a gunmaker named Dale Goens.

Goens was one of a comparative handful of men who, between 1950 and 1970, transformed the big-game rifle into an art form. They were Len Brownell, Jerry Fisher (who is still at it), Keith Stegall, Al Beisen, Goens, Hal Hartley, and Tom Fashingbauer. Not only were they master gunsmiths but they were artists as well.
I mounted the Goens rifle, and said to Niles Wheeler, who runs SA, that it was way too light for a .458 and that it would knock your talleywhacker off when you shot it.
“It’s heavier than it feels,” said Niles, and put it on a scale. The needle pointed to 9 ¼ pounds, a little light for a .458 but perfectly within reason. What had fooled me was the rifle’s perfect balance. Mr. Goens had taken the time and trouble to make this buffalo basher handle like a fine shotgun (as opposed to a cheap shotgun). That is something that goes beyond mechanics into the realm of artistry. You can see more photos of the gun by going to safarioutfittersltd.com and clicking on Rifles.
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Thought I'd make things easy..
http://www.safarioutfittersltd.com/RiflesPage22.htm
Perhaps one day I will own a gun this fine, I am not yet 19, so I still have plenty of time.
WOW! That is indeed a superb example of the gun maker's art, but who would have the temerity to actually take that rifle on safari, much less subject it to the indignities of being in cargo holds and handled by ramp apes?
BTW, did you happen to notice the J.Rigby double in .470 NE in the same shop? Again WOW!! crm
Nothing like shouldering a fine rifle. It feels similar to holding a new born baby, you want to hold it, but are in the same instance afraid you will somehow damage it.
@CRM3006 if you own a fine long arm it cries out to be hunted.
To CRM30/06: Re the Rigby double. You bet I noticed that Rigby. Of all the marvels at Safari Outfitters, it is the one I would most like to have.
Maybe I'll preserve my Ruger 77 since they are asking $2,150 for one! A Ruger 77 isn't worth 2 grand even if it had been to the Moon on the Space Shuttle.
I have seen a few Goens and several Brownell rifles over the years and was instantly rendered temporarily speachless while simultaneously gasping for breath. No kidding their work is beyond reproach not only from the standpoint of appearance and fit but also mechanics. I have only seen one of these rifles for sale and it was more than I felt I could afford at the time. The problem with fine rifles is the market. Not enough people even know what they are looking at, don't realize the amount of knowledge, skill, and work that is involved in making the piece, plus many folks simply consider all guns to be merely tools or weapons and will only pay for mediocraty. In fact the last portion of this previous statement is sometimes difficult to refute as often the rifle does become a tool and is treated as such in the mountains not particularily by choice. The exception to what many shooters and almost all non-shooters might consider to be a work of art is a gold plated Weatherby with shiny stock finish and lots of those diamond on a diamond inlays plus maybe a golden lion or rhino in relief. That sort of thing really sparks the attention of the common individual to the point that they consider it to be very appealing. Believe it or not I know where such a rifle is located. Del, Rick and I looked at it on Tuesday, other than being a .257 it was disgusting. On the other hand I have a 7mm-08 that was made in 1990 by a little gentlemen who learned how to checker by practicing on broom handles and garden hoes a half century ago. He checkered the piece of figured walnut from a blank that he had stored in the top of his garage for about 25 years. The metal work was performed by a local craftsman of no particular fame but fantastic ability. Between the two of them they created a classic rifle that is so perfect that I almost hate to hunt with it and will no longer put it on a horse. If I walked past most people with the gun on my shoulder they would not give it a second glance. But those of you who understand fine artistry in weapons would immediately want to examine it. The only reason I have it is because the owner passed away and the widow sold it to me years ago at a fair price.
I checked out that website. Oddly, there's no Benelli's, or Remingtons mixed in with all the other "used" guns.
gotta love fine craftsmanship. i dont know if i'd take a gun that pretty out into the field, but then if i had the money to buy it, i'd probably not care if it got dinged up.
There was one "custom" Ruger 77 LOL
I very seldom use the word "handsome", but that is the best way to discribe this rifle. I would need to stare at it for a few days before firing it!
Ok, I know it sounds kinda weird....but I am a GUN NUT afterall!
Mike Diehl-
I consider all my long arms fine, they have killed deer, small game, predators, paper, traps,skeets,and the occasional moa. They defend my home, secure my peace of mind, and after extended shooting sessions, keep me out of the pool hall by reason of having to be properly cleaned. However, the above mentioned Goens and that exquisite Rigby double, transcend the gun makers art and become the Mona Lisas of firearms. They should be showcased and treated like the fine works of art that they are.
A rifle like that, would you take it hunting?
Beautiful rifle and at eight grand probably worth it. Page 2 had a 375 M70 for five grand and there wasn't near the labor and craftsmanship involved.
Clay,
Would I use it hunting? Yes. That is what it was created for. Like a fine race horse, born to run.
Soooooo what did you buy Dave????? You can't start a post with a story about filling out a 4473 and only tell us about the gun you didn't get. I suppose next you'll show another picture of Melissa Cuthbert and tell us about beauty and balence and the human body as a form of art?
A rifle like that I'd certainly take hunting, and I'd probably scratch it deeply on purpose right off the get go so I wouldn't have to worry about "scratching it" A gun is a gun no matter how pretty. If you buy a gun just to sit in a dark safe you would be better off and a lot smarter to take a picture and put that in the safe.
An $8000.00 rifle and the word talleywhacker all in one post. I haven't heard that word since I was a kid.
Petzal, you are silly as hell. Now please excuse me as I have to get back to cleaning my Mossberg....
Jim
Thank you Mr. Petzal, another reason to "cry" my self to sleep(LOL). Beautiful rifle though.
Gaawwwddddddd I can't even get on this website anymore... my appreciations to any and all involved in the not so new F&S "The Gun Nut" blog format. May your powder measure/scale fail while you are loading for your next dangerous game hunt, not that any of your programmer ITT boys every squeezed one off. "Please sign in" happened once in nearly two years and now it is an every time affair. My password used to be a rifle caliber, now it is an X rated rant I never seem to remember. Didn't used to have to.
Enough of the pleasantries. This rifle is just a little too busy, if you know what I mean. The metal inlays and engraving are a little over the top. Pretty wood gets me excited and the checkering they seem to want to hide is what I want to see. Hand cut? How many lines per inch? How about a close up of some of that beautiful wood and woodwork... more stock and less lock and barrel! Don't get me wrong, if you have one that needs a test drive don't be afraid to send it down south. Away,away,away down south to Dixie! C/O Dr. Ralph of course.
It's all in the touch. The first time I handled a fine firearm, everything of lesser quality felt like a 4x4 with a pipe attached.
Dave, will you be at the NRA convention next week? If we all chipped in and bought a life membership for Ms. Cuthbert, would you present it to her?
It would be a shame and a sin for a rifle like that to become a "museum piece." I would certainly hunt with it. Life is too short, and I've never seen a casket with a gun rack.
To answer Clay's question and just to rais the point again, I don't think I could take a rifle that looked that good out into the field.
WOW! I'd be skeerd my talleywhacker would fall off at the sight of such a specimen!!! Surely wouldn't take it into the brush of Oregon elk country. It would end up lookin' like someone slit my bag and ran my left leg through it! (I love my DAD, God rest his soul!!!!!!!!!!!)
Hey, Dr. Ralph...glad to hear that you are from Dixie. We have a few of these 'captured' pretty rifles down here, too, but not enough of them.
Mr. Petzel, thank you for the high tone of this post...even inexperienced shooters catch their breath when you hand them a piece like the above Goens rifle. They may brag about their little plastic-stocked wonders, but THIS is where it is at. May the Good Lord preserve such rifle builders...artists.
One of the serendipities of having nice rifles is that it keeps the grandchildren and children on their best behavior. Behind closed doors, they are hoping to divide Pops rifles up among themselves...some want the Mausers, some the Mannlichers, some the family guns.
Compliments from Virginia.
Blue
It's quite a gun, If I did not need a place to live I would consider selling the house (for which my wifewoulshoot me with my cheap@$$ Remington )!
Dave, I went to the site where you found this. The homepage display reeks of high-dollar firearms. Not that that is bad. Not only the rifles, but some of the shotguns listed are nothing short of pure art. Kinda like looking at exotic cars, rare warbirds, or supermodels. You can never afford any of them, but it is fun looking at them and appreciating them for their beauty.
Ramblings concerning the Safari Otfitters guns:
What ever happened to Paul Jaeger? I met him once in Tennessee back in the seventies but lost track of him. I bought a heavy barrel Browning/Sako in .22-.250 years ago for $400.00 LNIB and sold it a year later for a $100.00 profit feeling that I had done well for myself. The Rigby .470 is probably a bargain although expensive. The 450/400 is a great cartridge but I don't know who would want a S x S .303. Nice M-70's and a neat old Marlin. When I was a kid I was trying to sight in a M-94 in .30-30 at a local range, well it actually was a huge garbage dump but it was all we had plus there were plenty of targets and some of Petzal's rats. The damned thing would not hit a 5 gallon bucket at a hundred yards as there was not enough adjustment in the iron sights. No doubt the history of the rifle involved rough treatment. I did note that an older guy was hitting anything he wished as far as he wanted. I wondered over to visit and was told that the rifle was a Springfield actioned .25 Niedner. I knew I had to have one of those rifles if I could find one. It turned out that no company except Browning made them at that time but by sheer luck I stumbled into an almost identical sporterized Springfield a few years later. Funny it was the same case and bullet diameter but the maker had mis-stamped the barrel .25-'06. I did some reading and figured it out as well as who Mr. Niedner was.
Most of you probably are aware that Bill Ruger enlisted the serves of Len Brownell to design the stock on the original M-77s. At that time it was somewhat different than the contemporary crop of rifle stocks in that it lacked inlays, glossy finish, white line spacers, cheekpiece, and tip on the forearm. Some folks loved them but others thought they were hideous. The rest is history.
A man does not have to apologize for his pretty rifles nor his pretty girls. Beauty is a gift for all of us to appreciate. God bless the individual craftsman who is in his little shop with an idea in his mind and sweat on his brow. We need more rifle builders, I feel. It would help if we gave 'em some support, business, and a pat on the back.
I heard one craftsman say he figured out what his real wages were on a beautifully crafted piece, and he averaged just over 50 cents an hour [in the 1970's]. It was sobering, and I never looked at his rifles the same way. He so deserved much more than he got for his labor of love.
Blue
I'll hush up, now.
A tallywhacker, by the way, is that cloth flap on the back of a sailor's shirt . . . just in case you didn't know!
Are you guys serious? Some of you would actually not take this rifle hunting? Yea, it's all "artist perfect" but it's a GUN FIRST! Shoot the darn thing! If I could afford it, I'd be hunting with it!
Dr.R, glad you mentioned the constant (daily) sign in thing, I thought it was just me. Don't know what changed.
Check those 2 magnificent Purdy .410 shotguns for $230,000. I would jump on that right this minute. Dang, left my checkbook in the truck. That H&H Royal grade seems like a bargain compared to the prices I saw in their London store last year.
Mr. Petzal is like an Airdale; smarter than he looks. I think he is saying that in today's times, no one is willing to devote the time and effort to create magnificent firearms such as this. Not in America, anyway. Compare a Philadelphia A.H. Fox (1906) with a sub contracted Turkish $2,000 SXS of today. The Fox has lines and feel that does not exist in the 2 grand gun. I was recently shown (rather proudly by the owner) a lavishly engraved, beautiful walnut SXS in .410 that cost $5600. He couldn't hit a bull in the ass with it.
A session at the patterning board revealed the left barrel was printing 8" to the right and the right barrel was printing 8-10" to the left AT 20 YDS!! My friend's golden image had feet of clay. To say he is somewhat pissed is an understatement.
Michael
Craftsman have been exercising creativity in weaponry for many centuries, and the best of it remains timelessly admirable. I've held only a few rifles like this example, and I marvel at what can be done when talent like this is exercised. Some rifles are a marriage of wood and steel. I acknowledge the practicality of composite rifle stocks, but rifles like this are a functional work of art.
To All: Tragically, I will not be at NRA. I'm in the throes of finishing up the testing for Best of the Best.
I didn't buy anything at Safari Outfitters, not that they didn't have half a dozen guns that I wanted. I was picking up rifles for Best of the Best.
Would I take the Goens rifle hunting? No, because if it vanished I couldn't replace it. If you were to try to re-create that gun today it would cost at least three times what Safari Outfitters wanted for it.
To NC 30/06: Safari Outfitters has scores of guns that are not on the website, including a considerable number of 03 Springfields that are in beautiful condition.
Incredible firearms - now, if only I could win the Power Ball...
Yes, I would hunt with a gun like that, but I would not fly with it or let someone borrow it or "helping me out" by putting it in a gun rack for me. Just like a woman, a beautiful gun was made to handle and enjoy but not to share!
Dr Ralph, I am with you! Christ, I have trouble finding my car when I park in a mega lot. Signing in is just another way to promote advertising, I think.
I am fortunate to have met a number of the men who make up the Custom Gun Makers and Engravers Guild and I have visited a number of their annual Shows in Reno. Talk about eye candy! The value of what is in one, not very large, room is mind boggling.
One of the members whom I know, John Vest, recently completed a .264 custom rifle for me built on a Husky action. I can only call the work these guys do 'understated elegance.' I cannot remember seeing a single piece of work from any of them that was ostentatious or garish. When I asked for and received an offical CGME Guild statement of valuation for insurance pruposes, I was shocked ( the gun was the result of some trading with John including hunting). Would I take it hunting?.......only under somewhat controlled circumstances. I would not use it for a walking stick on a backpack dall sheep hunt.
BEST OF THE BEST,Huh?
Sounds like the BEST OF FUN for you DP; I can't wait to read your reviews!
Hey, how come I haven't been getting my Email notices of new posts lately? Do I have to re-signup for them or is something changed or just not working right?
Luckily I had an old one still laying around in the inbox.
BTW Dave, if you ever need some help shooting all those guns my services would be available for the price of a plane ticket. Would Consider train or bus fare as well. Crap, give me gas money and directions and I'll be there ASAP.
:-)
With the judicious use of a cutting torch, a set of good bastard files, and a couple of gouges I'll bet I could convert that sucker to left hand use in no time.
WOW! Checked out the pics, beautiful gun. Would love to actually hold it. Not sure I could hunt w/it though, I'm hard on guns, and damaging this baby would seem like ruining a priceless painting. Can't wait for Dave's 'best of the best' reviews.
"A rifle like that, would you take it hunting?"
*Heck* yes!!
Save $ and ordera Custom Shop Rem. 700 with Grade l-A Walnut, Flute(l piece) Bolt, wt of 9 lbs, Hinged floor plate, Limbsave pad. Also, get the stock finished in oil finish as they did in l993-94 on the 700 straight stock Eureopene models. Have the gun made in 30-06 and you got a SeniCustom built gun you cn be prod of and hunt anything in NA>The new 700 comes with adjustable trigger and then have them to pillar bed the bbl and stock. Now you got a 2k dollar gun which is equal to a l0K $ custom Bean rifle. By all means get a 24" or 26" bbl, preferable a 24" satin finish metal. Now only one other item. If Rem will not do, get a 3 position Timney trigger.I own several guns but this is a only one gun type. If were to sell all i own, this is the one I would keep. Mine is simlar to this but only a 2 position safety and sold bolt. A fluted bolt only makes the action smoother and a tad lighter if you need lighter gun. A tad of Gaphite makes any bolt slicker. AS for Shotgun, get a 1100,26" bbl, a #552 22 rifle and a Uberti 45 handgun with 7 l/2 bbl as a handgun and you got all the guns you need. As for B/P get a T/C Encore in 50 Cal.walnut stock. Now plan your hunt and hit the road, providing you draw. good luck.I own a Custom built in Italy with dble set trigges , solid rib,3 p;osition safety, beautiful wood, cheek piece and 26"bbl. A Jewel to look at, but I prefer the Rem Custom Shop 700 for all my Rocky Mtn Hunting. Here at home aMarlin 30-30 is all I need with a scope due to age old eyesight.But 2 fields about 400 yds across, I use the 700 Custom shop 06 with Nikon Scope and Leupold mounts. Only takes one shot using 180 gr Sciroccos's. Will be my only and last custom gun I pray.
Above all ele, geta gun that weighs around 9 lb complete, the 5 l/2 to 6 l/2 way to light. You will flinch at each shot with that light gun, I know, as i tried one. Added wt to get to 9 lbs and back to 3 shots l-2"+ l" at 200 yds. Add that wt to butt end. and then your off arm will hold the gun steady as a vice.Shoot-um-straight and often. That's the secrete.
Shoot-um-straight and often is the secret! That and use a pretty rifle. I'm beginning to think it would be better to own one straight shooter in a fine stock than a cabinet full of synthetics. Must be the after affects of Mint Juleps and 50:1 long shots...
That is definitely a beautiful rifle but I would hunt with it and just be careful. I'm sure that is what it's maker intended it for. To me it resembles a Browning Safari Grade with more embellishments.
Yes it truely is a magnificent rifle. But what caught my eye was the Pre war Remington Model 37. Now that is a rifle I could use and love. Having grown up shooting it's sister a Remington 513 Match Master. I truely believe that rifle belongs in my gun cabinet with my shooting jacket, glove and sling. Oh yeah and a couple of bricks of Eley 10X .22 Ammuntion.
Tom the Troll
Most of us have too many firearms, but I love collecting/trading such. One nice firearm in 06 with the many bullets available is about all any of hunters realy need. I do;t plan to hunt the eat me up stuff and no way can afford a Africian hunt and not really excited about going. Prefer to go to NM for the huge Elk on the Indian Res. Maybe after the DOW jumps can afford such. But DOW has a long ways to go. Doubt i my hunting left the DOW will afford such a trip. But I still envy such a hunt. Shoot-um-straight and often.PS; Any you guys hunted Elk on the NRA Whittington Ranch? in Raton NM. if so how costly and what kind of success?
I've been searching around this site to find a post that was inspired by this and another article in F&S about older cartridges. It lead me to look at an old mauser that was handed down to me by my Dad it was his Dad's. Turned out it is a 9mmX57 Mauser by C G Haenel Suhl from Germany! I was surprised to find out it is such a desireable rifle. I knew it was valuable and that ammo was obsolete (I have 4 bxs). Turns out I can now buy ammo (thanks again beekeeper)and now I am faced with hunting it or not. The gun was hunted before I received it. It would be ashame to let it waste away in a gun safe! Only time will tell but given the opportunity I think I may HAVE to hunt it!
For the record all the guns my Grand Dad made (Dale Goens) were built for those who enjoyed collecting them and those who enjoyed hunting them. He took a lot of time making these rifles ideally for those who loved to hunt. So if you choose to Hunt with it then you will be shooting one of the greatest guns ever crafted. And trust me you will never find something made with as much heart and soul as the guns he crafted. I've never in my life seen a man so focused on every little microscopic detail in my life. Let me just say this, He had one of the most expensive piles of firewood you'll see in a mans back yard. For me it was an endless supply of toy guns, a $7-$800 toy gun at that. To me there was absolutely nothing wrong with any of the stocks in his wood pile. But what took a microscope to see at times would be an imperfection he dared not put his name on. So whether you hunt with it or admire it you will be the proud owner of a true work of art.
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Thought I'd make things easy..
http://www.safarioutfittersltd.com/RiflesPage22.htm
Perhaps one day I will own a gun this fine, I am not yet 19, so I still have plenty of time.
I have seen a few Goens and several Brownell rifles over the years and was instantly rendered temporarily speachless while simultaneously gasping for breath. No kidding their work is beyond reproach not only from the standpoint of appearance and fit but also mechanics. I have only seen one of these rifles for sale and it was more than I felt I could afford at the time. The problem with fine rifles is the market. Not enough people even know what they are looking at, don't realize the amount of knowledge, skill, and work that is involved in making the piece, plus many folks simply consider all guns to be merely tools or weapons and will only pay for mediocraty. In fact the last portion of this previous statement is sometimes difficult to refute as often the rifle does become a tool and is treated as such in the mountains not particularily by choice. The exception to what many shooters and almost all non-shooters might consider to be a work of art is a gold plated Weatherby with shiny stock finish and lots of those diamond on a diamond inlays plus maybe a golden lion or rhino in relief. That sort of thing really sparks the attention of the common individual to the point that they consider it to be very appealing. Believe it or not I know where such a rifle is located. Del, Rick and I looked at it on Tuesday, other than being a .257 it was disgusting. On the other hand I have a 7mm-08 that was made in 1990 by a little gentlemen who learned how to checker by practicing on broom handles and garden hoes a half century ago. He checkered the piece of figured walnut from a blank that he had stored in the top of his garage for about 25 years. The metal work was performed by a local craftsman of no particular fame but fantastic ability. Between the two of them they created a classic rifle that is so perfect that I almost hate to hunt with it and will no longer put it on a horse. If I walked past most people with the gun on my shoulder they would not give it a second glance. But those of you who understand fine artistry in weapons would immediately want to examine it. The only reason I have it is because the owner passed away and the widow sold it to me years ago at a fair price.
Clay,
Would I use it hunting? Yes. That is what it was created for. Like a fine race horse, born to run.
Mike Diehl-
I consider all my long arms fine, they have killed deer, small game, predators, paper, traps,skeets,and the occasional moa. They defend my home, secure my peace of mind, and after extended shooting sessions, keep me out of the pool hall by reason of having to be properly cleaned. However, the above mentioned Goens and that exquisite Rigby double, transcend the gun makers art and become the Mona Lisas of firearms. They should be showcased and treated like the fine works of art that they are.
A rifle like that, would you take it hunting?
Beautiful rifle and at eight grand probably worth it. Page 2 had a 375 M70 for five grand and there wasn't near the labor and craftsmanship involved.
WOW! That is indeed a superb example of the gun maker's art, but who would have the temerity to actually take that rifle on safari, much less subject it to the indignities of being in cargo holds and handled by ramp apes?
BTW, did you happen to notice the J.Rigby double in .470 NE in the same shop? Again WOW!! crm
@CRM3006 if you own a fine long arm it cries out to be hunted.
To CRM30/06: Re the Rigby double. You bet I noticed that Rigby. Of all the marvels at Safari Outfitters, it is the one I would most like to have.
Maybe I'll preserve my Ruger 77 since they are asking $2,150 for one! A Ruger 77 isn't worth 2 grand even if it had been to the Moon on the Space Shuttle.
I checked out that website. Oddly, there's no Benelli's, or Remingtons mixed in with all the other "used" guns.
gotta love fine craftsmanship. i dont know if i'd take a gun that pretty out into the field, but then if i had the money to buy it, i'd probably not care if it got dinged up.
There was one "custom" Ruger 77 LOL
I very seldom use the word "handsome", but that is the best way to discribe this rifle. I would need to stare at it for a few days before firing it!
Ok, I know it sounds kinda weird....but I am a GUN NUT afterall!
Soooooo what did you buy Dave????? You can't start a post with a story about filling out a 4473 and only tell us about the gun you didn't get. I suppose next you'll show another picture of Melissa Cuthbert and tell us about beauty and balence and the human body as a form of art?
A rifle like that I'd certainly take hunting, and I'd probably scratch it deeply on purpose right off the get go so I wouldn't have to worry about "scratching it" A gun is a gun no matter how pretty. If you buy a gun just to sit in a dark safe you would be better off and a lot smarter to take a picture and put that in the safe.
An $8000.00 rifle and the word talleywhacker all in one post. I haven't heard that word since I was a kid.
Petzal, you are silly as hell. Now please excuse me as I have to get back to cleaning my Mossberg....
Jim
Thank you Mr. Petzal, another reason to "cry" my self to sleep(LOL). Beautiful rifle though.
It's all in the touch. The first time I handled a fine firearm, everything of lesser quality felt like a 4x4 with a pipe attached.
Dave, will you be at the NRA convention next week? If we all chipped in and bought a life membership for Ms. Cuthbert, would you present it to her?
It would be a shame and a sin for a rifle like that to become a "museum piece." I would certainly hunt with it. Life is too short, and I've never seen a casket with a gun rack.
To answer Clay's question and just to rais the point again, I don't think I could take a rifle that looked that good out into the field.
WOW! I'd be skeerd my talleywhacker would fall off at the sight of such a specimen!!! Surely wouldn't take it into the brush of Oregon elk country. It would end up lookin' like someone slit my bag and ran my left leg through it! (I love my DAD, God rest his soul!!!!!!!!!!!)
Hey, Dr. Ralph...glad to hear that you are from Dixie. We have a few of these 'captured' pretty rifles down here, too, but not enough of them.
Mr. Petzel, thank you for the high tone of this post...even inexperienced shooters catch their breath when you hand them a piece like the above Goens rifle. They may brag about their little plastic-stocked wonders, but THIS is where it is at. May the Good Lord preserve such rifle builders...artists.
One of the serendipities of having nice rifles is that it keeps the grandchildren and children on their best behavior. Behind closed doors, they are hoping to divide Pops rifles up among themselves...some want the Mausers, some the Mannlichers, some the family guns.
Compliments from Virginia.
Blue
Dave, I went to the site where you found this. The homepage display reeks of high-dollar firearms. Not that that is bad. Not only the rifles, but some of the shotguns listed are nothing short of pure art. Kinda like looking at exotic cars, rare warbirds, or supermodels. You can never afford any of them, but it is fun looking at them and appreciating them for their beauty.
Ramblings concerning the Safari Otfitters guns:
What ever happened to Paul Jaeger? I met him once in Tennessee back in the seventies but lost track of him. I bought a heavy barrel Browning/Sako in .22-.250 years ago for $400.00 LNIB and sold it a year later for a $100.00 profit feeling that I had done well for myself. The Rigby .470 is probably a bargain although expensive. The 450/400 is a great cartridge but I don't know who would want a S x S .303. Nice M-70's and a neat old Marlin. When I was a kid I was trying to sight in a M-94 in .30-30 at a local range, well it actually was a huge garbage dump but it was all we had plus there were plenty of targets and some of Petzal's rats. The damned thing would not hit a 5 gallon bucket at a hundred yards as there was not enough adjustment in the iron sights. No doubt the history of the rifle involved rough treatment. I did note that an older guy was hitting anything he wished as far as he wanted. I wondered over to visit and was told that the rifle was a Springfield actioned .25 Niedner. I knew I had to have one of those rifles if I could find one. It turned out that no company except Browning made them at that time but by sheer luck I stumbled into an almost identical sporterized Springfield a few years later. Funny it was the same case and bullet diameter but the maker had mis-stamped the barrel .25-'06. I did some reading and figured it out as well as who Mr. Niedner was.
Are you guys serious? Some of you would actually not take this rifle hunting? Yea, it's all "artist perfect" but it's a GUN FIRST! Shoot the darn thing! If I could afford it, I'd be hunting with it!
Craftsman have been exercising creativity in weaponry for many centuries, and the best of it remains timelessly admirable. I've held only a few rifles like this example, and I marvel at what can be done when talent like this is exercised. Some rifles are a marriage of wood and steel. I acknowledge the practicality of composite rifle stocks, but rifles like this are a functional work of art.
BEST OF THE BEST,Huh?
Sounds like the BEST OF FUN for you DP; I can't wait to read your reviews!
"A rifle like that, would you take it hunting?"
*Heck* yes!!
Save $ and ordera Custom Shop Rem. 700 with Grade l-A Walnut, Flute(l piece) Bolt, wt of 9 lbs, Hinged floor plate, Limbsave pad. Also, get the stock finished in oil finish as they did in l993-94 on the 700 straight stock Eureopene models. Have the gun made in 30-06 and you got a SeniCustom built gun you cn be prod of and hunt anything in NA>The new 700 comes with adjustable trigger and then have them to pillar bed the bbl and stock. Now you got a 2k dollar gun which is equal to a l0K $ custom Bean rifle. By all means get a 24" or 26" bbl, preferable a 24" satin finish metal. Now only one other item. If Rem will not do, get a 3 position Timney trigger.I own several guns but this is a only one gun type. If were to sell all i own, this is the one I would keep. Mine is simlar to this but only a 2 position safety and sold bolt. A fluted bolt only makes the action smoother and a tad lighter if you need lighter gun. A tad of Gaphite makes any bolt slicker. AS for Shotgun, get a 1100,26" bbl, a #552 22 rifle and a Uberti 45 handgun with 7 l/2 bbl as a handgun and you got all the guns you need. As for B/P get a T/C Encore in 50 Cal.walnut stock. Now plan your hunt and hit the road, providing you draw. good luck.I own a Custom built in Italy with dble set trigges , solid rib,3 p;osition safety, beautiful wood, cheek piece and 26"bbl. A Jewel to look at, but I prefer the Rem Custom Shop 700 for all my Rocky Mtn Hunting. Here at home aMarlin 30-30 is all I need with a scope due to age old eyesight.But 2 fields about 400 yds across, I use the 700 Custom shop 06 with Nikon Scope and Leupold mounts. Only takes one shot using 180 gr Sciroccos's. Will be my only and last custom gun I pray.
Shoot-um-straight and often is the secret! That and use a pretty rifle. I'm beginning to think it would be better to own one straight shooter in a fine stock than a cabinet full of synthetics. Must be the after affects of Mint Juleps and 50:1 long shots...
Nothing like shouldering a fine rifle. It feels similar to holding a new born baby, you want to hold it, but are in the same instance afraid you will somehow damage it.
Gaawwwddddddd I can't even get on this website anymore... my appreciations to any and all involved in the not so new F&S "The Gun Nut" blog format. May your powder measure/scale fail while you are loading for your next dangerous game hunt, not that any of your programmer ITT boys every squeezed one off. "Please sign in" happened once in nearly two years and now it is an every time affair. My password used to be a rifle caliber, now it is an X rated rant I never seem to remember. Didn't used to have to.
Enough of the pleasantries. This rifle is just a little too busy, if you know what I mean. The metal inlays and engraving are a little over the top. Pretty wood gets me excited and the checkering they seem to want to hide is what I want to see. Hand cut? How many lines per inch? How about a close up of some of that beautiful wood and woodwork... more stock and less lock and barrel! Don't get me wrong, if you have one that needs a test drive don't be afraid to send it down south. Away,away,away down south to Dixie! C/O Dr. Ralph of course.
It's quite a gun, If I did not need a place to live I would consider selling the house (for which my wifewoulshoot me with my cheap@$$ Remington )!
Most of you probably are aware that Bill Ruger enlisted the serves of Len Brownell to design the stock on the original M-77s. At that time it was somewhat different than the contemporary crop of rifle stocks in that it lacked inlays, glossy finish, white line spacers, cheekpiece, and tip on the forearm. Some folks loved them but others thought they were hideous. The rest is history.
A man does not have to apologize for his pretty rifles nor his pretty girls. Beauty is a gift for all of us to appreciate. God bless the individual craftsman who is in his little shop with an idea in his mind and sweat on his brow. We need more rifle builders, I feel. It would help if we gave 'em some support, business, and a pat on the back.
I heard one craftsman say he figured out what his real wages were on a beautifully crafted piece, and he averaged just over 50 cents an hour [in the 1970's]. It was sobering, and I never looked at his rifles the same way. He so deserved much more than he got for his labor of love.
Blue
I'll hush up, now.
A tallywhacker, by the way, is that cloth flap on the back of a sailor's shirt . . . just in case you didn't know!
Dr.R, glad you mentioned the constant (daily) sign in thing, I thought it was just me. Don't know what changed.
Check those 2 magnificent Purdy .410 shotguns for $230,000. I would jump on that right this minute. Dang, left my checkbook in the truck. That H&H Royal grade seems like a bargain compared to the prices I saw in their London store last year.
Mr. Petzal is like an Airdale; smarter than he looks. I think he is saying that in today's times, no one is willing to devote the time and effort to create magnificent firearms such as this. Not in America, anyway. Compare a Philadelphia A.H. Fox (1906) with a sub contracted Turkish $2,000 SXS of today. The Fox has lines and feel that does not exist in the 2 grand gun. I was recently shown (rather proudly by the owner) a lavishly engraved, beautiful walnut SXS in .410 that cost $5600. He couldn't hit a bull in the ass with it.
A session at the patterning board revealed the left barrel was printing 8" to the right and the right barrel was printing 8-10" to the left AT 20 YDS!! My friend's golden image had feet of clay. To say he is somewhat pissed is an understatement.
Michael
To All: Tragically, I will not be at NRA. I'm in the throes of finishing up the testing for Best of the Best.
I didn't buy anything at Safari Outfitters, not that they didn't have half a dozen guns that I wanted. I was picking up rifles for Best of the Best.
Would I take the Goens rifle hunting? No, because if it vanished I couldn't replace it. If you were to try to re-create that gun today it would cost at least three times what Safari Outfitters wanted for it.
To NC 30/06: Safari Outfitters has scores of guns that are not on the website, including a considerable number of 03 Springfields that are in beautiful condition.
Incredible firearms - now, if only I could win the Power Ball...
Yes, I would hunt with a gun like that, but I would not fly with it or let someone borrow it or "helping me out" by putting it in a gun rack for me. Just like a woman, a beautiful gun was made to handle and enjoy but not to share!
Dr Ralph, I am with you! Christ, I have trouble finding my car when I park in a mega lot. Signing in is just another way to promote advertising, I think.
I am fortunate to have met a number of the men who make up the Custom Gun Makers and Engravers Guild and I have visited a number of their annual Shows in Reno. Talk about eye candy! The value of what is in one, not very large, room is mind boggling.
One of the members whom I know, John Vest, recently completed a .264 custom rifle for me built on a Husky action. I can only call the work these guys do 'understated elegance.' I cannot remember seeing a single piece of work from any of them that was ostentatious or garish. When I asked for and received an offical CGME Guild statement of valuation for insurance pruposes, I was shocked ( the gun was the result of some trading with John including hunting). Would I take it hunting?.......only under somewhat controlled circumstances. I would not use it for a walking stick on a backpack dall sheep hunt.
Hey, how come I haven't been getting my Email notices of new posts lately? Do I have to re-signup for them or is something changed or just not working right?
Luckily I had an old one still laying around in the inbox.
BTW Dave, if you ever need some help shooting all those guns my services would be available for the price of a plane ticket. Would Consider train or bus fare as well. Crap, give me gas money and directions and I'll be there ASAP.
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With the judicious use of a cutting torch, a set of good bastard files, and a couple of gouges I'll bet I could convert that sucker to left hand use in no time.
WOW! Checked out the pics, beautiful gun. Would love to actually hold it. Not sure I could hunt w/it though, I'm hard on guns, and damaging this baby would seem like ruining a priceless painting. Can't wait for Dave's 'best of the best' reviews.
Above all ele, geta gun that weighs around 9 lb complete, the 5 l/2 to 6 l/2 way to light. You will flinch at each shot with that light gun, I know, as i tried one. Added wt to get to 9 lbs and back to 3 shots l-2"+ l" at 200 yds. Add that wt to butt end. and then your off arm will hold the gun steady as a vice.Shoot-um-straight and often. That's the secrete.
That is definitely a beautiful rifle but I would hunt with it and just be careful. I'm sure that is what it's maker intended it for. To me it resembles a Browning Safari Grade with more embellishments.
Yes it truely is a magnificent rifle. But what caught my eye was the Pre war Remington Model 37. Now that is a rifle I could use and love. Having grown up shooting it's sister a Remington 513 Match Master. I truely believe that rifle belongs in my gun cabinet with my shooting jacket, glove and sling. Oh yeah and a couple of bricks of Eley 10X .22 Ammuntion.
Tom the Troll
Most of us have too many firearms, but I love collecting/trading such. One nice firearm in 06 with the many bullets available is about all any of hunters realy need. I do;t plan to hunt the eat me up stuff and no way can afford a Africian hunt and not really excited about going. Prefer to go to NM for the huge Elk on the Indian Res. Maybe after the DOW jumps can afford such. But DOW has a long ways to go. Doubt i my hunting left the DOW will afford such a trip. But I still envy such a hunt. Shoot-um-straight and often.PS; Any you guys hunted Elk on the NRA Whittington Ranch? in Raton NM. if so how costly and what kind of success?
I've been searching around this site to find a post that was inspired by this and another article in F&S about older cartridges. It lead me to look at an old mauser that was handed down to me by my Dad it was his Dad's. Turned out it is a 9mmX57 Mauser by C G Haenel Suhl from Germany! I was surprised to find out it is such a desireable rifle. I knew it was valuable and that ammo was obsolete (I have 4 bxs). Turns out I can now buy ammo (thanks again beekeeper)and now I am faced with hunting it or not. The gun was hunted before I received it. It would be ashame to let it waste away in a gun safe! Only time will tell but given the opportunity I think I may HAVE to hunt it!
For the record all the guns my Grand Dad made (Dale Goens) were built for those who enjoyed collecting them and those who enjoyed hunting them. He took a lot of time making these rifles ideally for those who loved to hunt. So if you choose to Hunt with it then you will be shooting one of the greatest guns ever crafted. And trust me you will never find something made with as much heart and soul as the guns he crafted. I've never in my life seen a man so focused on every little microscopic detail in my life. Let me just say this, He had one of the most expensive piles of firewood you'll see in a mans back yard. For me it was an endless supply of toy guns, a $7-$800 toy gun at that. To me there was absolutely nothing wrong with any of the stocks in his wood pile. But what took a microscope to see at times would be an imperfection he dared not put his name on. So whether you hunt with it or admire it you will be the proud owner of a true work of art.
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