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June 25, 2009

Bourjaily: The 870 Project

I think we might all agree that they don’t make 870s – or a lot of other guns – quite like they used to.

A little while ago, I mentioned the 70s vintage 870 Wingmaster I picked up and made a mag-tube recoil reducer for. Once upon a time, it must have been someone’s duck gun, but  in these days of steel shot,  a 2 ¾ inch chamber and a fixed full choke is not what people want. The gun had been beautifully cared for,  the barrel was 30 inches long, the action was left-handed and the price was only $269. I grabbed it.

It’s a gem. The action, as Mike Meyers used to say on Saturday Night Live, is “like butter.”  The trigger guard is still cast aluminum, not steel, but it’s much more finely cast than the ones on modern guns. Even the lettering on the barrel and receiver is sharper and clearer than what you see today.

However, my gun had the same ugly, pressed-checkered stock as any other Wingmaster from its era and the stock had field dimensions, where I had bought this gun thinking to shoot trap with it.

Through Remington customer service I ordered a Classic trap stock and forearm, pad, a new stock bolt, washer and lock washer. They told me my parts would come in two packages. One contained the lock washer, the other had all the rest. Go figure.

I bought an 870/BPS/Winchester forearm wrench from Midway, which costs about $15, looks like a super-sized choke tube wrench and works way better than the decoy stake with two nails in it I used to use to unscrew forearms from pump guns. I pulled old wood off, put the new wood on, and voila, I had my 870 trap gun. Here's the cost breakdown:
 
Gun:  $269

Parts: $380

Wrench: $15

Homemade reducer: $8  

Total: $671

Yes, I know the parts cost much more than the gun. Even so, I put it together for at least $100 under the best price I’ve seen on a new 870 Classic trap. For $100 in my pocket I can live without choke tubes and besides, it feels good to give a neat old gun a new lease on life.

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from minigunner111 wrote 21 weeks 1 hour ago

thats awesome I love old classic guns.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 21 weeks 1 hour ago

Are all gun writers left handed?

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from .88Mag wrote 21 weeks 1 hour ago

re:WA Mtnhunter
Only the ones who aren't right.

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from buckhunter wrote 21 weeks 41 min ago

I have owned several Wingmasters through the years and still have one in the safe. I really like what you did to yours. I hope you don't mind if I copy it.

Also, Todays Wingmasters don't hold a candle to the ones from even the 80's.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 21 weeks 22 min ago

If that's a picture of the 870 in question I think you got the "gun writer's upgrade" on stock selection from Remington... that's a nice piece of wood.

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from PbHead wrote 21 weeks 2 min ago

Good rescue job Phil. You managed to show that the sum of the parts is worth more than the whole. Now go polish that bore with about 10,000 rounds.

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from 2Poppa wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Ahh ... I remember my first Wingmaster,I won it in a $2.00 raffle at work.
That gun was a work master.

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from Mark-1 wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

I can understand the cost of parts looking at the wood. I've not seen wood like that from Remington in many, many years.

Remington parts? Well, that outfit has never given anything away IMHO. Still there's much to say about creating your own personal shotgun/rifle.

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from seadog wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

I'm with Dr Ralph--that's a beautiful stock. I've got two 870's, one old, one new, I love em both.

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from Del in KS wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Remington no doubt charged extra for the nice wood. I never get tired of looking at a nice piece of wood.

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from MaxPower wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Very cool Phil. The good deal plus the upgrades and personal touch add some extra sentimental value to it.

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from steve182 wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

well done

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

It looks like a nice fixer-upper, but I never was an 870 follower. My pump, and auto, are both Winchester.

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from Kempy wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

That is a really nice ripple maple stock. I like ripple maple better than bird's-eye maple. I've got a Marlin 336 with some ripple maple, but not as nice as your 870's.

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from nc30-06 wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

The 870 is one great shotgun. I got mine in 1980 but did not realize at the time they made left-handers too.

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from Jeff4066 wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Also I am surprised. I tend more to rifle studies rather than shotgun, and I had no idea there were left-handed shotguns at all. I have never seen one in the wild.

As for the parts being more than the gun, I did that with my "Star Wars" Ruger 10/22 in the '80s.

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from Bella wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

That is purty wood there, good job (but you wouldn't be writing about it if it weren't done right).
I likewise have a 10-22 where the parts cost more than the original gun. 10-22 at gun show=150. Laminated Thumbhole stock, Green Mountain heavy barrel, extended mag release, scope, plus mount drilled and tapped for the previous= about 300 or so! Worth every penny.

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from Moishe wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Very Nice wood!

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from ishawooa wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

For what it is worth I looked at a used 870 trap in a local gun store the other day. It was in good shape esthetically but obviously had been shot a lot. They wanted about $550.00 for it including of course its extra nice but scratched wood. Looks like Phil took the right approach to acquire a "new" old trap 870.

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from GERG wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

I had an 870 wingmaster, early 80s, in 20 guage, 26 in. improved cylinder. To this day the sweetest bird gun I have ever owned.Regretably I let it get away from me. Miss it more than my Ex! LOL

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from Dogtown wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

I have an older 870 and want to upgrade the wood. Having a hard time finding just a nice field style stock & forend. Any suggestions? Remington does not seem to have a nice piece of wood in this configuration.

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from philbourjaily wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Dogtown -- My 870 stock is actually listed as an 1100 stock, as the two are interchangeable except for the length of the stock bolt. Maybe 1100 Sporting Clays wood and an 870 Trap forearm would work for you. Call Remington customer service and ask them.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

I think it is a neat idea how you made a trap gun out of something that was not.. basically making dew with what you have.

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from ccfnye wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

I did something similar for my son's first shotgun. I had a 1970s era 20-g Wingmaster. These old guns (X & M ending serial numbers) won't take modern 20-g barrels since they're built off a 12-g frame, but the good part is they will take 12-g stocks and forearms. I got a Remington Trap Contender stock set. The forearm is 11", which allows him to choke back more. I had the LOP trimmed to 11 3/4". My gunsmith said the old barrel was thick enough to thread for tubes. End result -- I didn't pay much more than I would have for a new gun, and my kid's first shotgun is a "custom" job that will probably last for him to pass to his grandson.

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from ShowMe2 wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Phil,

Re: Your comment about the stock being made for an 1100

I'm continually amazed at the quality of wood Remington puts on their Sporting 1100's. I own 3 of them, bought them sight unseen, and every one has as good or better wood than your 870 pictured.

A buddy of mine bought a new Trap 1100 a couple of years ago and considering the price of the gun, it too had very nice wood.

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from fields wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Cant go wrong with an 870!

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from p852pck wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Hell, I turned my 870 into a riot gun after Clinton was elected. Now I am glad I did. It still can be converted back for game and sporting purposes.
Real point, you can make one gun into differnt things easily with the 870.
so much aftermarket for it.

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from Scott in Southe... wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Outstanding work. An M870 will remain in my collection until I stand in the spirit world. Got my first one in '76 as a Christmas present. Beautiful wood on the gun. I think Remington was using the BDL concept on everything then: white line spacers, glossy stock finish, etc. The second came in the late 90's and is an "Express" model, basic wood with a nice OD green/brown coat of paint I applied for weatherproofing/camo as it is my waterfowl gun. Enough people have stated in the past that the 870 is one of the most, if not the most, reliable shotguns on the planet. Long live the 870!

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from jeffo52284 wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

nice gun. my dad and uncle each bought an 870 wingmaster in the late 70's and $75 bucks for them to this day they are still two of the best shotguns I have ever used. Long live the 870!

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from jeffo52284 wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

should be "and paid $75"

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from sasquatch75 wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

I would have paid the $269 for it and left it the way it was. It is one of the best just the way it is.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Mr. Bourjaily,
Question: How many 870 Trap guns did Rudy Etchen wear out?
If you can answer this correctly, you win a weekend with Petzal at a cat show.
GW

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from philbourjaily wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Wingshooter 54 -- I'm going to guess this is a trick question and the answer is "none." I know Etchen broke 100 straight doubles with one of the first 870s, then did it again with the same gun something like 32 years later.

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from Gunslinger wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

IN 1952 I bought a Remington Sportsman 48 with a 26" bbl. Back then we had no deer and drove 300 mile to hunt Deer. Wherewe hunted was shotguns only. So I contacted Remington about a 30" full choke extra bbl of which I was able to buy for 45.00 PP. I yet use this shotgun wher shorguns are required rather than my 1100 3" mag. It shots a much better pattern, plus the bbl recoiling it takes some othe KICk out. Never like Pump guns period, had too many jams. Could be me not pullig back the forearm far enough, but just prefer the Auto's better.None of the guns made today are built with the quality as were 50 yrs ago. Thats why I continue to own and shoot the 50 yr old guns.Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

I STILL HAVE MY 1ST 870 WINGMASTER IT STILL PUTS MEAT IN OUR FREEZER.IVE YET TO SEE ONE I DIDNT LIKE.ANY WEATHER,ANY PLACE,ITS BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT.YOU CAN COUNT ON THE 870!!

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from Gunslinger wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

Like me, if it works for you, no reason to sell or trade. As the Rem ll00 goes, doubt any Auto can beat them

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from Jack Ryan wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

870's don't wear out, NONE

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from Gunslinger wrote 20 weeks 2 days ago

As for the Rem 870 gos, doubtany pumpaction shotgun is in it's class. I just prefer a dble or a Auto over the pump. Owned one 870 and traded it off ASAP. However, if wAs in the market for a pump, it would be the 870

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from the hunter wrote 20 weeks 2 days ago

Thats a nice gun.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

Mr. Bourjaily,
You win. According to an article written by Bob Brister, Etchen's 870 Trap gun lasted a long time without need for repair. I believe Remington reblued and refinished the stock on it, but that's all. I once asked an old time gunsmith who worked for Freer's in Houston, (he had been inside every make of shotgun, including the English best) what was the best shotgun ever made. His answer was the 870. He told me he would hate to try and make a living from repairing them, because they just didn't break.
Gary

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from Gunslinger wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

Dave if the 870 as you bought it was in excellent shape,why go to the expense to put on new stocks, etc. To me the Orig would be more valueable than a refurbished one. Am i missing something important. Those little dents, bumps have A LOT OF HISTORY. If you wanted a new 870 why not just buy one. I got guns 50 yrs or older and they don't look new, but still work and more valueable than reconditioned in my way of thinking. Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from mattreney wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

yeah i dont think they do wear out my dad has one over 40 years old and it still outshoots most modern shoutguns plus it has all the origional parts. it has nothing more and nothing less than when it was manufactured

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from mattreney wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

yeah i dont think they do wear out my dad has one over 40 years old and it still outshoots most modern shoutguns plus it has all the origional parts. it has nothing more and nothing less than when it was manufactured

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from mattreney wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

sorry i dont know why that posted twice

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from Moishe wrote 20 weeks 22 hours ago

I just bought a 16 ga. 870 USED form a Store in KCMO, Shot a few rounds to check it out at the Gun Club, they told me it was old, but the wood looked good at the store and even better after some work at home. I called Remington today gave them the serial # and they said it was made in 1960. I found a treasure there! Good patterns on the board,expect to slay some pheasant this year with it.

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from Gunslinger wrote 20 weeks 19 hours ago

I still use my old Rem Sportsman 48 or my Fox l6 ga dble bbl. Depends on what I;m hunting. If Deer hunting use the 48 with buckshot. On the Fox use #4's . Both over 50 yr old and look as new only darker wood now. Have been offered a ton for the AH FOX and feew guys arond ever heard of or saw a 48 before. They don;t understand it not being gas operated.With the 2 bbls, its all the shotgun I need,but collect old guns and these are my primary hunting shotguns. The 48 has killed many deer, traveled many miles and never given any problems,but I keep clean and wipe down after each handling. The salt in tyour hands will cause rust if not wiped down, Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 18 weeks 4 days ago

Best gun I own is an 870.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 18 weeks 4 days ago

I have three.

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from Jonathan Roden wrote 9 weeks 3 days ago

Thanks for the good article. Not many people these days think of us southpaws.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 21 weeks 1 hour ago

Are all gun writers left handed?

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from MaxPower wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Very cool Phil. The good deal plus the upgrades and personal touch add some extra sentimental value to it.

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from fields wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Cant go wrong with an 870!

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from minigunner111 wrote 21 weeks 1 hour ago

thats awesome I love old classic guns.

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from Del in KS wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Remington no doubt charged extra for the nice wood. I never get tired of looking at a nice piece of wood.

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from steve182 wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

well done

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from Bella wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

That is purty wood there, good job (but you wouldn't be writing about it if it weren't done right).
I likewise have a 10-22 where the parts cost more than the original gun. 10-22 at gun show=150. Laminated Thumbhole stock, Green Mountain heavy barrel, extended mag release, scope, plus mount drilled and tapped for the previous= about 300 or so! Worth every penny.

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from GERG wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

I had an 870 wingmaster, early 80s, in 20 guage, 26 in. improved cylinder. To this day the sweetest bird gun I have ever owned.Regretably I let it get away from me. Miss it more than my Ex! LOL

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from philbourjaily wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Dogtown -- My 870 stock is actually listed as an 1100 stock, as the two are interchangeable except for the length of the stock bolt. Maybe 1100 Sporting Clays wood and an 870 Trap forearm would work for you. Call Remington customer service and ask them.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

I think it is a neat idea how you made a trap gun out of something that was not.. basically making dew with what you have.

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from ccfnye wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

I did something similar for my son's first shotgun. I had a 1970s era 20-g Wingmaster. These old guns (X & M ending serial numbers) won't take modern 20-g barrels since they're built off a 12-g frame, but the good part is they will take 12-g stocks and forearms. I got a Remington Trap Contender stock set. The forearm is 11", which allows him to choke back more. I had the LOP trimmed to 11 3/4". My gunsmith said the old barrel was thick enough to thread for tubes. End result -- I didn't pay much more than I would have for a new gun, and my kid's first shotgun is a "custom" job that will probably last for him to pass to his grandson.

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from ShowMe2 wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Phil,

Re: Your comment about the stock being made for an 1100

I'm continually amazed at the quality of wood Remington puts on their Sporting 1100's. I own 3 of them, bought them sight unseen, and every one has as good or better wood than your 870 pictured.

A buddy of mine bought a new Trap 1100 a couple of years ago and considering the price of the gun, it too had very nice wood.

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from p852pck wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Hell, I turned my 870 into a riot gun after Clinton was elected. Now I am glad I did. It still can be converted back for game and sporting purposes.
Real point, you can make one gun into differnt things easily with the 870.
so much aftermarket for it.

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from Scott in Southe... wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Outstanding work. An M870 will remain in my collection until I stand in the spirit world. Got my first one in '76 as a Christmas present. Beautiful wood on the gun. I think Remington was using the BDL concept on everything then: white line spacers, glossy stock finish, etc. The second came in the late 90's and is an "Express" model, basic wood with a nice OD green/brown coat of paint I applied for weatherproofing/camo as it is my waterfowl gun. Enough people have stated in the past that the 870 is one of the most, if not the most, reliable shotguns on the planet. Long live the 870!

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from Jack Ryan wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

870's don't wear out, NONE

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from buckhunter wrote 21 weeks 41 min ago

I have owned several Wingmasters through the years and still have one in the safe. I really like what you did to yours. I hope you don't mind if I copy it.

Also, Todays Wingmasters don't hold a candle to the ones from even the 80's.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 21 weeks 22 min ago

If that's a picture of the 870 in question I think you got the "gun writer's upgrade" on stock selection from Remington... that's a nice piece of wood.

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from PbHead wrote 21 weeks 2 min ago

Good rescue job Phil. You managed to show that the sum of the parts is worth more than the whole. Now go polish that bore with about 10,000 rounds.

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from 2Poppa wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Ahh ... I remember my first Wingmaster,I won it in a $2.00 raffle at work.
That gun was a work master.

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from Mark-1 wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

I can understand the cost of parts looking at the wood. I've not seen wood like that from Remington in many, many years.

Remington parts? Well, that outfit has never given anything away IMHO. Still there's much to say about creating your own personal shotgun/rifle.

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from seadog wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

I'm with Dr Ralph--that's a beautiful stock. I've got two 870's, one old, one new, I love em both.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

It looks like a nice fixer-upper, but I never was an 870 follower. My pump, and auto, are both Winchester.

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from Kempy wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

That is a really nice ripple maple stock. I like ripple maple better than bird's-eye maple. I've got a Marlin 336 with some ripple maple, but not as nice as your 870's.

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from nc30-06 wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

The 870 is one great shotgun. I got mine in 1980 but did not realize at the time they made left-handers too.

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from Jeff4066 wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Also I am surprised. I tend more to rifle studies rather than shotgun, and I had no idea there were left-handed shotguns at all. I have never seen one in the wild.

As for the parts being more than the gun, I did that with my "Star Wars" Ruger 10/22 in the '80s.

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from Moishe wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

Very Nice wood!

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from ishawooa wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

For what it is worth I looked at a used 870 trap in a local gun store the other day. It was in good shape esthetically but obviously had been shot a lot. They wanted about $550.00 for it including of course its extra nice but scratched wood. Looks like Phil took the right approach to acquire a "new" old trap 870.

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from Dogtown wrote 20 weeks 6 days ago

I have an older 870 and want to upgrade the wood. Having a hard time finding just a nice field style stock & forend. Any suggestions? Remington does not seem to have a nice piece of wood in this configuration.

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from jeffo52284 wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

nice gun. my dad and uncle each bought an 870 wingmaster in the late 70's and $75 bucks for them to this day they are still two of the best shotguns I have ever used. Long live the 870!

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from jeffo52284 wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

should be "and paid $75"

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from sasquatch75 wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

I would have paid the $269 for it and left it the way it was. It is one of the best just the way it is.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Mr. Bourjaily,
Question: How many 870 Trap guns did Rudy Etchen wear out?
If you can answer this correctly, you win a weekend with Petzal at a cat show.
GW

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from philbourjaily wrote 20 weeks 5 days ago

Wingshooter 54 -- I'm going to guess this is a trick question and the answer is "none." I know Etchen broke 100 straight doubles with one of the first 870s, then did it again with the same gun something like 32 years later.

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from Gunslinger wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

IN 1952 I bought a Remington Sportsman 48 with a 26" bbl. Back then we had no deer and drove 300 mile to hunt Deer. Wherewe hunted was shotguns only. So I contacted Remington about a 30" full choke extra bbl of which I was able to buy for 45.00 PP. I yet use this shotgun wher shorguns are required rather than my 1100 3" mag. It shots a much better pattern, plus the bbl recoiling it takes some othe KICk out. Never like Pump guns period, had too many jams. Could be me not pullig back the forearm far enough, but just prefer the Auto's better.None of the guns made today are built with the quality as were 50 yrs ago. Thats why I continue to own and shoot the 50 yr old guns.Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from JOHN ANDERSON wrote 20 weeks 4 days ago

I STILL HAVE MY 1ST 870 WINGMASTER IT STILL PUTS MEAT IN OUR FREEZER.IVE YET TO SEE ONE I DIDNT LIKE.ANY WEATHER,ANY PLACE,ITS BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT.YOU CAN COUNT ON THE 870!!

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from Gunslinger wrote 20 weeks 3 days ago

Like me, if it works for you, no reason to sell or trade. As the Rem ll00 goes, doubt any Auto can beat them

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from Gunslinger wrote 20 weeks 2 days ago

As for the Rem 870 gos, doubtany pumpaction shotgun is in it's class. I just prefer a dble or a Auto over the pump. Owned one 870 and traded it off ASAP. However, if wAs in the market for a pump, it would be the 870

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from the hunter wrote 20 weeks 2 days ago

Thats a nice gun.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

Mr. Bourjaily,
You win. According to an article written by Bob Brister, Etchen's 870 Trap gun lasted a long time without need for repair. I believe Remington reblued and refinished the stock on it, but that's all. I once asked an old time gunsmith who worked for Freer's in Houston, (he had been inside every make of shotgun, including the English best) what was the best shotgun ever made. His answer was the 870. He told me he would hate to try and make a living from repairing them, because they just didn't break.
Gary

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from Gunslinger wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

Dave if the 870 as you bought it was in excellent shape,why go to the expense to put on new stocks, etc. To me the Orig would be more valueable than a refurbished one. Am i missing something important. Those little dents, bumps have A LOT OF HISTORY. If you wanted a new 870 why not just buy one. I got guns 50 yrs or older and they don't look new, but still work and more valueable than reconditioned in my way of thinking. Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from mattreney wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

yeah i dont think they do wear out my dad has one over 40 years old and it still outshoots most modern shoutguns plus it has all the origional parts. it has nothing more and nothing less than when it was manufactured

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from Gunslinger wrote 20 weeks 19 hours ago

I still use my old Rem Sportsman 48 or my Fox l6 ga dble bbl. Depends on what I;m hunting. If Deer hunting use the 48 with buckshot. On the Fox use #4's . Both over 50 yr old and look as new only darker wood now. Have been offered a ton for the AH FOX and feew guys arond ever heard of or saw a 48 before. They don;t understand it not being gas operated.With the 2 bbls, its all the shotgun I need,but collect old guns and these are my primary hunting shotguns. The 48 has killed many deer, traveled many miles and never given any problems,but I keep clean and wipe down after each handling. The salt in tyour hands will cause rust if not wiped down, Shoot-um-straight and often.

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from Jonathan Roden wrote 9 weeks 3 days ago

Thanks for the good article. Not many people these days think of us southpaws.

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from .88Mag wrote 21 weeks 1 hour ago

re:WA Mtnhunter
Only the ones who aren't right.

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from mattreney wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

yeah i dont think they do wear out my dad has one over 40 years old and it still outshoots most modern shoutguns plus it has all the origional parts. it has nothing more and nothing less than when it was manufactured

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from mattreney wrote 20 weeks 1 day ago

sorry i dont know why that posted twice

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from Moishe wrote 20 weeks 22 hours ago

I just bought a 16 ga. 870 USED form a Store in KCMO, Shot a few rounds to check it out at the Gun Club, they told me it was old, but the wood looked good at the store and even better after some work at home. I called Remington today gave them the serial # and they said it was made in 1960. I found a treasure there! Good patterns on the board,expect to slay some pheasant this year with it.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 18 weeks 4 days ago

Best gun I own is an 870.

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from logan.vandermay wrote 18 weeks 4 days ago

I have three.

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