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January 07, 2010

Petzal Reviews the Second Edition of Terry Wieland's "Dangerous-Game Rifles"

By David E. Petzal

There are only a few books on guns that are worth a damn, and to make matters worse they are rarely updated* and become less valuable over the years. Such is the case with Warren Page’s The Accurate Rifle (1973) or Jim Carmichel’s The Book of the Rifle (1985)--still eminently worth reading, but now quite dated.

Happily, this is not true of Terry Weiland’s Wieland's Dangerous-Game Rifles. It appeared in 2006, established itself as the definitive work on the subject, sold out its first printing, and then sold out a second printing. Now, Terry has done a complete revise, which is not only up-to-the minute, but more complete than the original.

Wieland is a writer of the first magnitude, and his book is an irresistible combination of nifty (and mostly very expensive) machinery, high adventure, gore, lots of excellent photos, and plenty of very sound advice which you can use even if you never hunt anything bigger or more dangerous than whitetail deer. He is careful, scientific, does not rely on hearsay, rumor, or innuendo, and lets you know if he does not know something, which is almost unheard of in this business.

DGR II also contains one of the best quotes on marksmanship that I’ve ever come across:

“A good shot is the man who shoots well when he is shooting badly.”—Major J.E.M. Ruffer

Real-world price is around $29 from Barnes & Noble, Amazon, and the usual suspects. It’s published by Shooting Sportsman Books.

*If you’d like the experience of writing a book and then revising it without going to the trouble of actually doing so, gouge out your right eye with a rusty screwdriver for the sum of $34.88. Then gouge out the left one for $12.09.

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from rlriggins wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Sounds like a good one I will place an order today. By the by you and the publisher of the book seem at odds on the spelling of Wieland/Weiland.

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I could get a real kick out of a book like this.. The bottom gun on the cover looks like a real masterpiece.. anyone know it just by what they show??

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from rlriggins wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I, like most gun nuts, have always wanted a classic double rifle. There is something about them that captures ones imagination and transports you to one blood chilling encounter after another with the wildest of beasts. They are true works of art.

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from Mjenkins1 wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Cool book. I would love to pay for a nice double rifle, but im still paying for a (nice) college education... haha, damn

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from MLH wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Might both be John Rigby's. Good excuse, though any will do, to get the book to find out for sure.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I remember at the range one day, a Colonel yelled at me from the other end of the firing line and motioned me down. I walked up and said, want see a pretty! He opened his oversized aluminum gun case the heaviest constructed I ever seen and I’m sure it was 44 Magnum proof. When he opened the case it had a beautiful drilling! Twin barrel 375 H&H and 12 gauge below and how sweet it looked and shot like a dream, both barrels shot “MUC” (Minute of Coffee Cup) at 200 yards and slug dead on a 50 with open adjustable flip up sights! Somebody some place put a lot of work into that drilling! I asked him what he paid for it, it was a gift from a British Army Colonel while in Africa as a thank you. WOW!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Link to a drilling not the same setup but you'll get the idea

http://omegacrossroads.com/GunCabinet/Drilling/DrillB13.JPG

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from Carney wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Always wanted to be a writer but never really felt like I had what it takes. After reading this article I thought, "what the heck" and decided I'd give Dave's "eye gouge" writing technique a try. Boy, that was bad advice. And Dave I want my $46.97 back -- I could have bought two copies of a good book with that money.

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from PbHead wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Nice review Dave. Some day please give us a list of the books all "Gun Nuts" should have in their personal library.

BTW I hope you are packing for the SHOT show and I eagerly await the Booth Babe report.

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from alabamaoutlaw wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

ilike the looks of that double rifle also ,but for some reason my shoulder hurts already.

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from Big O wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Say Mr. Petzal - How's "Mr. Death" doing ?
Do you still have/use it ?

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from jamesti wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

yes dave, we need more book reviews. i can never have enough and would like to know if they are any good before i spend money on them. i'll even trust your judgement!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I just ordered my copy off Amazon $26.90..free shipping.
I have always found the Drilling concept of guns interesting. Accuracy must be the toughest item on double rifles let alone with a shotgun barrel attached!
I have seen a few Drillings over the years, but never had chance to fire one.

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from Joel Panian wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Sounds like a great read. I just finished reading Larry Kaniut's "Alaska Bear Tales" for the second time. This sounds like a great one to pick up next.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Always like Wieland's mag stuff so I'll give this a try since I bought and enjoyed Finn and Britt's books you recommended.

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from focusfront wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Sounds like a good book. And you remind me; Carmichael's Book of the Rifle is a great book, one of my favorites, but it is dated now. Perhaps now that he has a little more time on his hands, Gentleman Jim will update or rewrite it.

Amazing what time does. Carmichael barely mentioned double rifles in his book (written in '85) except to comment on how the .458 gave African hunters something to use now that they were passing away. Here we are into the second decade of the New Millennium, and you can buy them from a half-dozen makers and load them with Federal or Hornady ammo. Anybody got the guts to predict the future of shooting with that in mind? Will we be shooting wheel locks in th year 2034?

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from elmer f. wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

"I, like most gun nuts, have always wanted a classic double rifle". YEP. MYSELF AS WELL. MY DREAM DOUBLE WOULD BE A H&H DOUBLE, IN 375 H&H. I WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY NEVER GO TO AFRICA, UNLESS THE LOTTERY GODS REACH DOWN, STEER MY VEHICLE INTO AN AGENT, AND LITTERALLY KICK MY BUTT OUT OF THE CAR. BUT A 375 H&H DOES HAVE PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS ON THIS CONTINENT. GRIZZLY BEAR COME IMEDIATLY TO MIND. IT WOULDNT BE BAD ON MOOSE EITHER. A LITTLE OVERKILL PERHAPS, BUT NO ONE WOULD HAVE TO TRACK IT FAR! BESIDES, IF A LION EVER ESCAPED FROM A ZOO, IT WOULD BE A NICE PEICE TO GO ON A LOCAL SAFARI!

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Clay,

Back in the early 70's I knew an Army Col(0-6) at Ft. Benning that had a collection of german drillings. He pulled them out one day for a look. They were very nice and quite expensive. The calibers have long since been erased from my memory.

Dave,

I picked up the Bushnell Elite 6500 4.5-30X scope yesterday and I must say it is impressive. It was hundreds less than a comparable Leupold and the glass is very, very bright. Now if ER Shaw will finish building my rifle we'll give it the old acid test.

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from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Del! Why do you have to make me jealous. I've been talking about dropping that Elite 6500 on something fun since I came across it shopping for the Nikon I put on my hunting rifle. It WILL be the scope that goes on my long range gun.. I'm thinking Savage Long Range Tactical .25-06 with that scope and dreams of a thousands of prairie dogs..

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

To PBHead: I still have Old Mister Death, but I don't use it anymore. It's more or less irreplaceable.

To all: Eventually, I'll get around to doing a book list. And yes, I'm going to both the SHOT Show and SCI, and will be on the lookout for booth babes.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

alabamaoutlaw

We got some other things that will put shoulders out of commission too!

Roll Tide, Roll

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from Zermoid wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Mjenkins1,
You will probably forget most of what you are taught in college in 20 years, But that gun will still be beautiful, (assuming you do your part to preserve her) functional, and possibly even more valuable than it was the day you bought it.

Now, which is the better deal to put your money into?

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from Zermoid wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

focusfront,
If the Govt Bureaucrats have their way we will be throwing rocks and spears in 2034!

I'll bury my guns in the hills before I hand them in.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from crm3006 wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I would like to read this book, but don't know if I can afford it. The Bookkeeper says I have enough guns to end a small war, and I know that this book would give me the burning desire to possess a double rifle in some very expensive and highly unusable caliber!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from focusfront wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Zermoid:

The government is the greatest gun designer we've ever had. Many states banned rifles for hunting and/or specified shotgun or shotgun/handgun only zones, and now we've got scoped, rifled shotguns and slugs that'll shoot minute of deer out to 200 yards, and handguns that can kill an elephant at 100 yards. They told us we couldn't have big magazines for our handguns in the 90s, and practically invented the ten shot .45 auto (if you've only ten shots make them ten BIG shots).

If they limit the number of guns we can have, interest in drillings and vierlings will go through the roof. That is why they have them in Europe; if you are only allowed to own one or two guns, the guns you do have need to be able to do a lot of jobs. Me, I'd love a drilling (in 12 ga., 30-06, and .22 hornet or .223), but then I'd love a Ferrarri, too, and I can't afford one of those either.

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from fng wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Hey, Del! got the 6500 in 2.5-16 with mil dots on my .300 win. I am drooling as I type :D

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from O Garcia wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

My favorite quote of all time comes from Finn: no amount of power available in a shoulder-fired weapon can make up for bad shooting.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from O Garcia wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

or something like that.

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Aagard just told it like it is!

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from Happy Myles wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Terry's first edition was very good. I did not realize he had an updated version out, will order it today. I ran into him at the Dallas Safari Club Convention last week, and we chatted for a few minutes, he is always very gracious. He will not be at SCI in Reno, instead going quail hunting as I recall. This spring I believe he is off to Uganda, which has just reopened hunting.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Dave, I did order the book and got it at $28 before tax (O'bama needs to find money somewhere, right)? Jim.

PS, now it's your job to find at least one Boothe babe.

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from Gaiben wrote 11 weeks 19 hours ago

Yes, it is a good one, essential as a source.

I may not agree with every conclusion, but there are so many facts I have never read anywhere else that I have re-read it repeatedly . It is clear that Wieland is a true expert on the subject.

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from Mjenkins1 wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Cool book. I would love to pay for a nice double rifle, but im still paying for a (nice) college education... haha, damn

+4 Good Comment? | | Report
from rlriggins wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Sounds like a good one I will place an order today. By the by you and the publisher of the book seem at odds on the spelling of Wieland/Weiland.

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I could get a real kick out of a book like this.. The bottom gun on the cover looks like a real masterpiece.. anyone know it just by what they show??

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from rlriggins wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I, like most gun nuts, have always wanted a classic double rifle. There is something about them that captures ones imagination and transports you to one blood chilling encounter after another with the wildest of beasts. They are true works of art.

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Carney wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Always wanted to be a writer but never really felt like I had what it takes. After reading this article I thought, "what the heck" and decided I'd give Dave's "eye gouge" writing technique a try. Boy, that was bad advice. And Dave I want my $46.97 back -- I could have bought two copies of a good book with that money.

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from jamesti wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

yes dave, we need more book reviews. i can never have enough and would like to know if they are any good before i spend money on them. i'll even trust your judgement!

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I just ordered my copy off Amazon $26.90..free shipping.
I have always found the Drilling concept of guns interesting. Accuracy must be the toughest item on double rifles let alone with a shotgun barrel attached!
I have seen a few Drillings over the years, but never had chance to fire one.

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from Joel Panian wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Sounds like a great read. I just finished reading Larry Kaniut's "Alaska Bear Tales" for the second time. This sounds like a great one to pick up next.

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from focusfront wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Sounds like a good book. And you remind me; Carmichael's Book of the Rifle is a great book, one of my favorites, but it is dated now. Perhaps now that he has a little more time on his hands, Gentleman Jim will update or rewrite it.

Amazing what time does. Carmichael barely mentioned double rifles in his book (written in '85) except to comment on how the .458 gave African hunters something to use now that they were passing away. Here we are into the second decade of the New Millennium, and you can buy them from a half-dozen makers and load them with Federal or Hornady ammo. Anybody got the guts to predict the future of shooting with that in mind? Will we be shooting wheel locks in th year 2034?

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

To PBHead: I still have Old Mister Death, but I don't use it anymore. It's more or less irreplaceable.

To all: Eventually, I'll get around to doing a book list. And yes, I'm going to both the SHOT Show and SCI, and will be on the lookout for booth babes.

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

To PBHead: I still have Old Mister Death, but I don't use it anymore. It's more or less irreplaceable.

To all: Eventually, I'll get around to doing a book list. And yes, I'm going to both the SHOT Show and SCI, and will be on the lookout for booth babes.

+3 Good Comment? | | Report
from MLH wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Might both be John Rigby's. Good excuse, though any will do, to get the book to find out for sure.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I remember at the range one day, a Colonel yelled at me from the other end of the firing line and motioned me down. I walked up and said, want see a pretty! He opened his oversized aluminum gun case the heaviest constructed I ever seen and I’m sure it was 44 Magnum proof. When he opened the case it had a beautiful drilling! Twin barrel 375 H&H and 12 gauge below and how sweet it looked and shot like a dream, both barrels shot “MUC” (Minute of Coffee Cup) at 200 yards and slug dead on a 50 with open adjustable flip up sights! Somebody some place put a lot of work into that drilling! I asked him what he paid for it, it was a gift from a British Army Colonel while in Africa as a thank you. WOW!

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Link to a drilling not the same setup but you'll get the idea

http://omegacrossroads.com/GunCabinet/Drilling/DrillB13.JPG

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from PbHead wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Nice review Dave. Some day please give us a list of the books all "Gun Nuts" should have in their personal library.

BTW I hope you are packing for the SHOT show and I eagerly await the Booth Babe report.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from alabamaoutlaw wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

ilike the looks of that double rifle also ,but for some reason my shoulder hurts already.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Big O wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Say Mr. Petzal - How's "Mr. Death" doing ?
Do you still have/use it ?

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Always like Wieland's mag stuff so I'll give this a try since I bought and enjoyed Finn and Britt's books you recommended.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from elmer f. wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

"I, like most gun nuts, have always wanted a classic double rifle". YEP. MYSELF AS WELL. MY DREAM DOUBLE WOULD BE A H&H DOUBLE, IN 375 H&H. I WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY NEVER GO TO AFRICA, UNLESS THE LOTTERY GODS REACH DOWN, STEER MY VEHICLE INTO AN AGENT, AND LITTERALLY KICK MY BUTT OUT OF THE CAR. BUT A 375 H&H DOES HAVE PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS ON THIS CONTINENT. GRIZZLY BEAR COME IMEDIATLY TO MIND. IT WOULDNT BE BAD ON MOOSE EITHER. A LITTLE OVERKILL PERHAPS, BUT NO ONE WOULD HAVE TO TRACK IT FAR! BESIDES, IF A LION EVER ESCAPED FROM A ZOO, IT WOULD BE A NICE PEICE TO GO ON A LOCAL SAFARI!

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from SD_Whitetail_Hntr wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Del! Why do you have to make me jealous. I've been talking about dropping that Elite 6500 on something fun since I came across it shopping for the Nikon I put on my hunting rifle. It WILL be the scope that goes on my long range gun.. I'm thinking Savage Long Range Tactical .25-06 with that scope and dreams of a thousands of prairie dogs..

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

alabamaoutlaw

We got some other things that will put shoulders out of commission too!

Roll Tide, Roll

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Happy Myles wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Terry's first edition was very good. I did not realize he had an updated version out, will order it today. I ran into him at the Dallas Safari Club Convention last week, and we chatted for a few minutes, he is always very gracious. He will not be at SCI in Reno, instead going quail hunting as I recall. This spring I believe he is off to Uganda, which has just reopened hunting.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Del in KS wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Clay,

Back in the early 70's I knew an Army Col(0-6) at Ft. Benning that had a collection of german drillings. He pulled them out one day for a look. They were very nice and quite expensive. The calibers have long since been erased from my memory.

Dave,

I picked up the Bushnell Elite 6500 4.5-30X scope yesterday and I must say it is impressive. It was hundreds less than a comparable Leupold and the glass is very, very bright. Now if ER Shaw will finish building my rifle we'll give it the old acid test.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Zermoid wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

focusfront,
If the Govt Bureaucrats have their way we will be throwing rocks and spears in 2034!

I'll bury my guns in the hills before I hand them in.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from crm3006 wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

I would like to read this book, but don't know if I can afford it. The Bookkeeper says I have enough guns to end a small war, and I know that this book would give me the burning desire to possess a double rifle in some very expensive and highly unusable caliber!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from focusfront wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Zermoid:

The government is the greatest gun designer we've ever had. Many states banned rifles for hunting and/or specified shotgun or shotgun/handgun only zones, and now we've got scoped, rifled shotguns and slugs that'll shoot minute of deer out to 200 yards, and handguns that can kill an elephant at 100 yards. They told us we couldn't have big magazines for our handguns in the 90s, and practically invented the ten shot .45 auto (if you've only ten shots make them ten BIG shots).

If they limit the number of guns we can have, interest in drillings and vierlings will go through the roof. That is why they have them in Europe; if you are only allowed to own one or two guns, the guns you do have need to be able to do a lot of jobs. Me, I'd love a drilling (in 12 ga., 30-06, and .22 hornet or .223), but then I'd love a Ferrarri, too, and I can't afford one of those either.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from fng wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Hey, Del! got the 6500 in 2.5-16 with mil dots on my .300 win. I am drooling as I type :D

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from O Garcia wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

My favorite quote of all time comes from Finn: no amount of power available in a shoulder-fired weapon can make up for bad shooting.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from O Garcia wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

or something like that.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Aagard just told it like it is!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 3 weeks ago

Dave, I did order the book and got it at $28 before tax (O'bama needs to find money somewhere, right)? Jim.

PS, now it's your job to find at least one Boothe babe.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Zermoid wrote 2 years 4 weeks ago

Mjenkins1,
You will probably forget most of what you are taught in college in 20 years, But that gun will still be beautiful, (assuming you do your part to preserve her) functional, and possibly even more valuable than it was the day you bought it.

Now, which is the better deal to put your money into?

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Gaiben wrote 11 weeks 19 hours ago

Yes, it is a good one, essential as a source.

I may not agree with every conclusion, but there are so many facts I have never read anywhere else that I have re-read it repeatedly . It is clear that Wieland is a true expert on the subject.

0 Good Comment? | | Report

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