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April 15, 2009

Merwin: More On Budget Tackle

By John Merwin

There’s been a lot of talk around here lately about budget-priced fishing gear, and even more discussion about how ostensibly silly it is to pay hundreds for simple things like reels. All this leads me to point out an interesting paradox when it comes to tackle and gear prices.

Simms waders are a good example. When that company first came out with their high-end G4 waders selling for as much as $700 a pair, there was great hue and cry all over the Internet about how outrageous the price seemed. The very idea. $700 for a pair of stupid waders. Why I can buy a pair of waders for less than a hundred bucks! That’s ridiculous. And on and on.

At the same time, those waders were (and are) selling extremely well. There was, of course, no big-noise equivalent from the people who were buying them. They were just buying a very good product, albeit expensive, because they could afford it.

Sure, you can buy less expensive waders. Or cheaper reels, rods, lines or whatever. They will work okay for a while, but probably won’t last as long, work quite as well, be as personally satisfying, or be as comfortable. And it’s also worth noting that Simms has various other wader models that cost a good deal less.

The other day I described a $39 fly reel that drew lots of favorable comment. Yes, I do enjoy fishing with that reel (mostly because I enjoy fishing) but I don’t lust after one. What I really want is a Tibor Everglades fly reel for bonefishing. It’s only about $640. It’s a lovely, well-made, lifetime fly reel. Right now, I can’t afford it. But someday....

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from Charley wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

I try to spend as much as I can on things that I kmow will last, like reels or motors. But I go cheap on the things that I know my kids will jump on and break a lot, like rods and sunglasses.
If something has a good warranty, I will spend some extra bucks for it.

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from chadlove wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

I can see the argument as it applies to reels, rods and other durable goods and I admit there's (at least for me) a certain amount of Devil's advocacy in the cheap-versus-expensive debate because I own a few baitcasters and rods that - if not exactly "high-end" in the sense of say a $500 import Shimano Conquest - at least qualify as "higher-end."

And they are indeed (I hope, anyway) lifetime purchases.

So I certainly understand the argument for high-end tackle and I would absolutely buy a high-end fly reel if I could afford one.

As for $700 waders. well, I suppose can see it.
Most waterfowlers who do a lot of walk-in hunting in rough areas might not get but a season or two out of a pair of waders that pull double-duty for fishing and hunting (I average about two before mine get ripped to shreds) so I guess it would depend on whether the $700 waders held up as long as three (and a half) pairs of $200 waders.

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from shane wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

See?!? That's insane. That reel is not worth $640. Period! I can show you a reel that will stand up to 2, maybe 3 lifetimes of raging bonefish (and carp) and is one third that price!

Barely related, but here goes. Lexus vehicles. Why buy them? For about the same money, buy a BMW that is faster, handles better, gets better gas mileage, will last 3 times as long, and the maintenance is paid for.

We as consumer need to crack down on the insanity!

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from rjw wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

My cheapest reels have lasted longer than my expensive ones, so I no longer buy the expensive reels/rods. It has just become out of reach for the average person to pay well over $600 for a reel, no matter how good they claim it is. Maybe the guy who drives a Range Rover to his job in Manhattan can afford it, but chances are he does not know how to use either. There are still alot of affordably priced tackle out there, just don't be afraid to spend $50 on a reel, bottom line, everthing wears out sooner or later and the fish don't know what your using.

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from Devil_Dog wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

I love fishing, but with my job, I don't get alot of time. My guess is that the majority of fishermen in the U.S. are like me. The BassPro or Cabela's version of better reels and an Ugly Stick are all we'll ever need. They'll hold up to the limited, but consistant use they will see, and if they break, then they're easily replaced.

That said, I understand the purchase of gear in excess of $500. If fishing is just what you do, then by all means by the high speed low drag gear because you'll surely put it to good use. In the same vein I could have made my last bow purchase a less expensive Bear compound, but I ponied up the extra money for a Hoyt. I absolutely love the bow and am sure it will serve me well until I'm old and cripple.

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from shane wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

rjw - you can bet your buttons that Manhattanite doesn't know dip about putting either to work! Great analysis there. Quite true.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

I like the good and expensive stuff. If I'm hiking 2-3 miles into the mountains to fish for a few days I do not want to have equipment malfunctions.

Like I said before I have a box full of cheap reels, some are broken some are not, that I will never use because I prefer the quality, function and reliability of the well made reels.

My fly tying vise is a perfect example. I would go through a vise a year for years until I finally ponied up the extra bucks for a good Renzetti. It's been working well for about 15 years now.

Heres another example. Pick up an Orvis Clearwater fly reel then pick up the CFO. The CFO is lighter, more narrow and is smoother. Tie on some 7x tippet to each reel and jerk it out as hard as you can, I have not done this but my bet is the 7x will break on the Clearwater when the smooth drag of the CFO will protect the lighter tippet. Not to mention all of my Clearwaters are pitted. My CFO's are like the day I bought them and I'm sure my grandchildren will be fishing with them years from now.

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from chuckles wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

There are alot of good points on both sides. A $700.00 pair of waders isn't in my future because I just don't believe that the fabric exists that will stand up to canyon slides and brush. I would rather by a 100.00 pair every year or two because I don't think a $700.00 dollar pair will last 7-10 years the way I fish and certainly not a lifetime.
Reels are the same way. I like to fish with 5-7 rigged rods (spinning gear) and I don't have 150.00+ for each reel. The $50-70 dollar ones last about 4-5 yrs, sometimes longer. I fly fish less and spend about 250.00 - 300.00 for each rod reel combo because I expect and believe they will last a lifetime. I guess because I use and sometimes abuse my equipment I don't want to have a heart attack when it breaks, and it will break. So far I have found that mid range gear from quality names is the best value. It works well and will last if you take care of it. I build some replacement into every years budget and that seems to work the best.
All that being said, if the Powerball ever hits you bet I will buy the sweet stuff. Lust is a terrible thing. I will never trade my Chevy for a Range Rover and you could't drag me to Manhattan with a team of horses but that BMW M5 might just find a spot in the garage next to the Sage and St.Croix.

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from chadlove wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

Actually Buckhunter, a used Orvis CFO is one of the reels I've been considering.

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from mvksweeney wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

I feel that more often than not however that buying the mid range models, not the uber expensive products and not the cheaper than dirt models, but those models of products that are in the mid price range of a company's products is probably the best option. These generally last for a good amount of time, and when they do fail if you happen to get a crummy item it does not cost an arm and a leg to replace. Also once a new fancy technology comes out you did not already put too much money into a product to the point that you can no longer afford to buy the next new product with the next new feature.

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from TheEasternShore... wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

some expensive things perform better then cheap things its true

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

Touche. Although you can get gear that does the same job and does it just as well, it might not last as long... That is a big reason why I wait for a product to be on the market for a while before I buy it. I like to see the reaction and comments of the product before spending my money on it. Although I would love to be the first one to try new gear... past actions have lead me to the conclusion that waiting and hearing from other people is the best method for buying new gear.

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from snowninja wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Now there is no way I'm spending that kind of money on fishing gear. I have a family that I have to support. 99% of my fishing is done on a $30 Shakespear combo. I've been fishing with it for 6 or 7 years and haven't had problem one. My "Go To Lure" is a Cotton Cordell Diving minnow in a Purple/ White color. It cost a grand total of $1.96 at Wal-Mart. It produces every time. And if i lose it, it's no big deal. I can't even fathom what I would feel if I lost an 8 or 9 dollar lure. And as I once read: A poor craftsman blames his tools. Or in other words, If you can't catch fish just because your using a $30 combo, you shouldn't be fishing. Just my opinon though.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I have had a day of a fishing trip ruined due to a cheap reel, and the bite was on. Funny thing, i usually buy decent stuff, but cheaped out once. $640 does sound a bit high though.

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from jrok6661 wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

I love fishing and yes I spend money on my stuff (more then the wify likes), but I don't ever go that crazy. My ugly sticks are the best. They work good and if they break I get a new one. I do however buy nice reel. Even there $50-100 is about my limit. They last because I take care of them. I have some cheaper stuff that I use for the kids, but I am slowly replacing them with good stuff as the kids get bigger. The place I really skimp is with lures. I have 2 Rappalas. I have only ever caught about half a dozen fish with them. I figure if I am going to use them I better not break the bank, cause all they do is get lost. I fish a lot. Sometimes this is done in hard areas to fish, so tackle goes quick. I think it is good to pick your battles with this stuff. Buy mid range reels, but take good care of them. The rest of the stuff you can be frugal with if all you fish for is small to mid size trout.

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from Charley wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

I try to spend as much as I can on things that I kmow will last, like reels or motors. But I go cheap on the things that I know my kids will jump on and break a lot, like rods and sunglasses.
If something has a good warranty, I will spend some extra bucks for it.

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from rjw wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

My cheapest reels have lasted longer than my expensive ones, so I no longer buy the expensive reels/rods. It has just become out of reach for the average person to pay well over $600 for a reel, no matter how good they claim it is. Maybe the guy who drives a Range Rover to his job in Manhattan can afford it, but chances are he does not know how to use either. There are still alot of affordably priced tackle out there, just don't be afraid to spend $50 on a reel, bottom line, everthing wears out sooner or later and the fish don't know what your using.

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from mvksweeney wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

I feel that more often than not however that buying the mid range models, not the uber expensive products and not the cheaper than dirt models, but those models of products that are in the mid price range of a company's products is probably the best option. These generally last for a good amount of time, and when they do fail if you happen to get a crummy item it does not cost an arm and a leg to replace. Also once a new fancy technology comes out you did not already put too much money into a product to the point that you can no longer afford to buy the next new product with the next new feature.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

Touche. Although you can get gear that does the same job and does it just as well, it might not last as long... That is a big reason why I wait for a product to be on the market for a while before I buy it. I like to see the reaction and comments of the product before spending my money on it. Although I would love to be the first one to try new gear... past actions have lead me to the conclusion that waiting and hearing from other people is the best method for buying new gear.

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from snowninja wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

Now there is no way I'm spending that kind of money on fishing gear. I have a family that I have to support. 99% of my fishing is done on a $30 Shakespear combo. I've been fishing with it for 6 or 7 years and haven't had problem one. My "Go To Lure" is a Cotton Cordell Diving minnow in a Purple/ White color. It cost a grand total of $1.96 at Wal-Mart. It produces every time. And if i lose it, it's no big deal. I can't even fathom what I would feel if I lost an 8 or 9 dollar lure. And as I once read: A poor craftsman blames his tools. Or in other words, If you can't catch fish just because your using a $30 combo, you shouldn't be fishing. Just my opinon though.

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from chadlove wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

I can see the argument as it applies to reels, rods and other durable goods and I admit there's (at least for me) a certain amount of Devil's advocacy in the cheap-versus-expensive debate because I own a few baitcasters and rods that - if not exactly "high-end" in the sense of say a $500 import Shimano Conquest - at least qualify as "higher-end."

And they are indeed (I hope, anyway) lifetime purchases.

So I certainly understand the argument for high-end tackle and I would absolutely buy a high-end fly reel if I could afford one.

As for $700 waders. well, I suppose can see it.
Most waterfowlers who do a lot of walk-in hunting in rough areas might not get but a season or two out of a pair of waders that pull double-duty for fishing and hunting (I average about two before mine get ripped to shreds) so I guess it would depend on whether the $700 waders held up as long as three (and a half) pairs of $200 waders.

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from shane wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

See?!? That's insane. That reel is not worth $640. Period! I can show you a reel that will stand up to 2, maybe 3 lifetimes of raging bonefish (and carp) and is one third that price!

Barely related, but here goes. Lexus vehicles. Why buy them? For about the same money, buy a BMW that is faster, handles better, gets better gas mileage, will last 3 times as long, and the maintenance is paid for.

We as consumer need to crack down on the insanity!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Devil_Dog wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

I love fishing, but with my job, I don't get alot of time. My guess is that the majority of fishermen in the U.S. are like me. The BassPro or Cabela's version of better reels and an Ugly Stick are all we'll ever need. They'll hold up to the limited, but consistant use they will see, and if they break, then they're easily replaced.

That said, I understand the purchase of gear in excess of $500. If fishing is just what you do, then by all means by the high speed low drag gear because you'll surely put it to good use. In the same vein I could have made my last bow purchase a less expensive Bear compound, but I ponied up the extra money for a Hoyt. I absolutely love the bow and am sure it will serve me well until I'm old and cripple.

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from shane wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

rjw - you can bet your buttons that Manhattanite doesn't know dip about putting either to work! Great analysis there. Quite true.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

I like the good and expensive stuff. If I'm hiking 2-3 miles into the mountains to fish for a few days I do not want to have equipment malfunctions.

Like I said before I have a box full of cheap reels, some are broken some are not, that I will never use because I prefer the quality, function and reliability of the well made reels.

My fly tying vise is a perfect example. I would go through a vise a year for years until I finally ponied up the extra bucks for a good Renzetti. It's been working well for about 15 years now.

Heres another example. Pick up an Orvis Clearwater fly reel then pick up the CFO. The CFO is lighter, more narrow and is smoother. Tie on some 7x tippet to each reel and jerk it out as hard as you can, I have not done this but my bet is the 7x will break on the Clearwater when the smooth drag of the CFO will protect the lighter tippet. Not to mention all of my Clearwaters are pitted. My CFO's are like the day I bought them and I'm sure my grandchildren will be fishing with them years from now.

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from chuckles wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

There are alot of good points on both sides. A $700.00 pair of waders isn't in my future because I just don't believe that the fabric exists that will stand up to canyon slides and brush. I would rather by a 100.00 pair every year or two because I don't think a $700.00 dollar pair will last 7-10 years the way I fish and certainly not a lifetime.
Reels are the same way. I like to fish with 5-7 rigged rods (spinning gear) and I don't have 150.00+ for each reel. The $50-70 dollar ones last about 4-5 yrs, sometimes longer. I fly fish less and spend about 250.00 - 300.00 for each rod reel combo because I expect and believe they will last a lifetime. I guess because I use and sometimes abuse my equipment I don't want to have a heart attack when it breaks, and it will break. So far I have found that mid range gear from quality names is the best value. It works well and will last if you take care of it. I build some replacement into every years budget and that seems to work the best.
All that being said, if the Powerball ever hits you bet I will buy the sweet stuff. Lust is a terrible thing. I will never trade my Chevy for a Range Rover and you could't drag me to Manhattan with a team of horses but that BMW M5 might just find a spot in the garage next to the Sage and St.Croix.

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from chadlove wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

Actually Buckhunter, a used Orvis CFO is one of the reels I've been considering.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from TheEasternShore... wrote 2 years 42 weeks ago

some expensive things perform better then cheap things its true

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 39 weeks ago

I have had a day of a fishing trip ruined due to a cheap reel, and the bite was on. Funny thing, i usually buy decent stuff, but cheaped out once. $640 does sound a bit high though.

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from jrok6661 wrote 47 weeks 4 days ago

I love fishing and yes I spend money on my stuff (more then the wify likes), but I don't ever go that crazy. My ugly sticks are the best. They work good and if they break I get a new one. I do however buy nice reel. Even there $50-100 is about my limit. They last because I take care of them. I have some cheaper stuff that I use for the kids, but I am slowly replacing them with good stuff as the kids get bigger. The place I really skimp is with lures. I have 2 Rappalas. I have only ever caught about half a dozen fish with them. I figure if I am going to use them I better not break the bank, cause all they do is get lost. I fish a lot. Sometimes this is done in hard areas to fish, so tackle goes quick. I think it is good to pick your battles with this stuff. Buy mid range reels, but take good care of them. The rest of the stuff you can be frugal with if all you fish for is small to mid size trout.

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