Do you have problems with the fly rotating over or does it fall backwards and you have to strip line in to straighten it out?

I've always gone with a hard low cast into the wind, the fly would turn over and smack the water. I'll give this one a go.

Good tip.

Most guys cast much harder into the wind, and overpower their forward cast. This causes a tailing loop which does not cut through wind. Tight loops cut through wind.

Thanks Deeter, now this is why I tune in...I learn! Your guide this time down has it down to two words...hermaona macata~no worries!

I cuss the wind here in the High Sierras. You can set your watch, when the swirl begins at straight up noon!

We've got a lake up here at elevation 4800 feet that pushes big LCT (Lahoutan Cut Throat) and it's food sources right at you during the winds of March/April. So, wind can be your friend, sometimes.

Listen up Fly Talkers, those of you who haven't, try Pyramid Lake next year. Forty (40) fish days are not uncommon here. Dude, it's easy. Just bring an 8wt, a six(6)foot ladder, a salmon net and dropper rigs. Thanks again Deeter. I'm headin' out to the front yard now and practice on the grass...

Awesome. Great reminder to work less hard to cast farther.

I miss the Bahamas...

So Deeter, we're watching the Outdoor Channel and it features Andros South Lodge. The guide's name is Josie Sands. Did you meet him or are there quite a few for hire? The "Familiar Water" show is being taped and here are a couple of the sponsored gear items...Winston Rods and Galvin Reels. The bones being caught are over 20in!

blacknblue,
You've got it with the haul..that creates the line speed, and even tightens up the loop on the forward, and increases the line speed that is a must into the wind. What can be used as well is a TRIPLE HAUL. You make the forward haul during the forward, power stroke, and then, just as the fly is turning over near the water, make a short haul again, speeding up the turnover, and putting the fly on the water.

that's how you use the rod but what about the line speed?

wow! I'll have to try that...

deeter.
Sorry, I am not buying it. Line speed on the back cast does not translate into line speed on the forward cast at all. The back cast is merely made to put the line straight back in position so that when you start forward you are RE-loading the rod, and re-generating line speed. If the line isn't straight back behind, or you've backcasted the line in an open loop, then when you start forward you have wasted stroke not loading the rod right away. The slow move is to move the line straight and load the rod BEFORE you form the loop by applying the wrist, or stopping the rod, however you describe it. The slowness you describe starts the good mechanics rather than the loop forming power portion of the cast, but a key is the HAUL that increases the line speed, and can tighten the loop. You can move the casting arm slow, and throw the line at high speed with the use of the haul.

Detter...fishing in the wind, and especially fishing salt water IS a complicated casting situation. I can take a guy on a freshwater guided trip that doesn't know how to cast. A saltwater guide expects you to be able to cast in the wind, and have it down before you show up. But you have to be correct in understanding casting technique....you make two casts..a backcast, and a forecast. The backcast loads the rod(bends the rod if you want to make it seem uncomplicated) the rod forms the loop, and the line straights out. When the line straightens out on the backcast the rod UNbends..it straightens as the line comes to a stop....NOW you start over from scratch. You now start the forecast. The backcast has nothing to do with the speed of line created on the forecast. It does provide different amounts of line wt that will bend the rod on the forecast...short backcast less wt. less bend, and longer, more wt.more bend, but you have to generate line speed on the forecast that is independent of the backcast.

deeter,
Agh, you chain jerker you!! :) May you throw an 80 ft. cast into the teeth of a hurricane, and gently land the fly right in front of a big kahoona's jaws. I did that to perfection on time, and then woke up in a cold sweat.

countitanddone..please..you are going against basic science! Easy forward into the wind?
Please don't tell me you can transfer the speed of a fast backcast into a forward, fast moving line by moving the rod forward easy. That can't happen without a good haul with the other hand. I, like any good casters, can demonstrate a very fast line speed by moving my rod hand forward, and easy, but the haul with the left hand is creating a lot of the speed...more than half the speed generated by that hand, and I still have to make a good, tight wrist puch with the rod hand. And the angle that you cast on when casting into the wind is a huge factor. Cast like that guide in the video is casting into the wind?...very poor results. He's turning the line over quite high over the water. At that point the line has no speed, and the wind blows it back.