


March 26, 2009
Cermele: Drugs, Fish, & General Depression
By Joe Cermele

Do you ever notice that for every fishery success story you hear, you can easily find ten more about pollution, overfishing, strip-mining, and mercury that lead you to believe it won't be long before there just isn't anything to catch? Tim Romano at Fly Talk just blogged yesterday on the harsh effects salmon farming have on wild fish. In the news today, an EPA study found that fish in major rivers across the country have sizeable levels of prescription drugs and beauty products in their flesh and livers. Here's the full story.
When I was still working at Salt Water Sportsman, we used to joke that by 2020, our headlines would read "10 Ways to Catch Stingrays," or "Sea Robin Secrets," because there wouldn't be any gamefish left to catch. I'm not going to rant about the problems, because we all know they're vast and diverse, but it's depressing to say the least. And sadly, I don't believe doing things like only buying wild salmon, or refusing to order bluefin sushi will make a difference. That's because issues that are near and dear to our hearts don't really mean much to the non-fishing masses.
I'm curious to know how much attention you pay to reports like these. Do you just keep fishing and take it day by day? Or are there some of you out there like me that are genuinely starting to believe that it's possible for fishing to just collapse in the future? Sorry to be a downer today.
JC
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The story that got me thinking about this was quite a few years ago - estrogen in the watersheds. They were seeing high levels in bluegills. Apparently, from birth control pills - women urinate it out. Same with virtually all drugs that we take.
So this stuff is in our water supplies and food chain. Not sure what this is doing to us and our kids. I goes beyond a potential loss of fishing. What to do? I don't think people want to think about it. It a very complex environmental and social concern.
I also read an article several years back regarding the Poudre River in Colorado, stating it was found to have high levels of “Flushed” pollutants, so much to the point of physically affecting/altering the Trout populations.
It only makes sense that dumping water from a Sewerage Treatment Plant into pristine waterways is bad. There are already many Super Fund Cleanup sites in the U.S. directly affecting waterways, due to Industrial Plants, Strip Mines, Farms, etc, whether it is directly pumped or from run off.
In my opinion it is a major concern, trick question is what can be done, “Flushed” pollutants are here to stay, can the same be said for the future of species in the affected waterways? Proverbial can of worms on this one. Inevitably there will be areas that will lose fish populations, and over time they too will come back, but not with out a lot of research into this latest environmental issue.
Mercury was a big item in the 80's when I stopped eating the fish I caught. I think before that it was PCB's and before that it was raw industrial waste.
The facts are clear. The more people we have on this earth the more of a strain there will be on our waterways, lakes and oceans.
Sadly there is not enough money to make everything right and we are at the point where we have to pick and choose what is to be saved and what is an acceptable loss.
I see a day where we are like Japan, having very very limited access to the outdoor pursuits.
If there is any bright spot there is a lot of international pressure on the United States to clean up it's act. There are many groups around the world that realize that the world is becoming a very small place.
You know it's bad when there are enough drugs being consumed to actually see significant levels in fish. We have a lot of problems.
Forget the fish, the same waterways that have fish with high levels of pharmaceuticals are the same waterways feeding out drinking water. An awful lot of us are drinking some of the same water these fish are swimming in.
I hate to be an enabler, but you are being a downer, with very good reason.
What we're experiencing now isn't the result of what we're doing now, it's the accumulated result of what we've been doing for decades, and there is simply no way to reverse that, it's inexorable.
I think that short-to-medium term, conditions in the world's fisheries are going to get much, much worse. The litany of problems is simply overwhelming: endocrine disruptors, rapidly rising acidity levels, industrial pollution, overfishing, coastal development, red tides, climate change, it's enough to make me want to pawn my rods, grab a bottle and go find a dark corner, because I think in the coming years we're going to be sticking a fork in a lot of what we cherish.
Obviously we should be doing everything possible to change our global behaviour, but that's mainly for our great-grandchildren's benefit.
We, to put it bluntly, are screwed regardless of what we do because this environmental train has already left the station.
And I don't think a lot of people realize that. They still want to believe there's some magic kumbaya bullet we can shoot, some great harmonic convergence of awareness we can all grok to and things will be all right.
It 'aint gonna happen. I'm not a pessimist. I'm simply a Malthusian pragmatist.
There's more and more evidence every day that we're stuck in the mother of all negative feedback loops.
When I started seeing the wire stories on how even the most worst-case-scenario climate change computer models were not only being confirmed by the hard, real-world climatological data, but in many cases were actually being overtaken, I (again) felt like grabbing the bottle.
How's that for being a downer?
Chad, we need to fish together. And if we can't get a trip together in time, we'll drink in a dark corner together.
Chad,
If it's any consolation, After the human species dies off Mother Nature will once again have rivers in the Northwest stuffed with wild salmon again.
Buckhunter's right. I highly recommend reading "The World Without Us" by Alan Weisman. It's about just that...what would happen if we all just disappeared one day. Fascinating.
Joe, if I can swing the airfare to Joisey sometime, I expect you to put me on some stripers and tuna before it all goes to hell...
And that brings up another purely selfish downer that I'm sure a lot of us will be experiencing: here I've been poverty-stricken all my life and never been able to go fish the places I read and dreamed about as a kid.
So now that I'm slightly (very slightly) less poverty-stricken and can - every other leap year or so - actually take a trip, the places I read and dreamed about as a kid are dying.
Now that's depressing...
Man, this made my day. Thanks a lot Joe, I already failed a physics test and now this. At least the physics thing can be made up for in the short term. I'm not going to go into a 7 paragraph rant like I really want to, but I'm going to say this: I'm not some dope smoking hippy that believes we should do away with all establishment, but the way we have treated our only planet is deplorable. I don't care if you believe in man-made global warming or not, we MUST stop polluting the air and water that we in turn breathe and drink. This should be a completely non-partisan, non-political goal that everyone could share. But no, the damn media and politicians in this country turn everything into a political issue. I'm all for the government having as little effect on the daily lives of U.S. citizens as possible, but one of the number one jobs of the federal government in this country should be to regulate and monitor things that could possibly have an adverse affect on the environment. Offer business' tax incentives for doing the right thing and making sure that they operate in a way to have as little effect on the environment as possible. If the situation with a particular business is bad enough, they should be fined, or possibly given the "death penalty" if they refuse to clean up their operation.
I'm not sure most of the people of this country realize how vital this is to our countries' future. That said, I don't think we're all of a sudden going to wake up one day and there be nowhere to hunt or fish. But we are certainly going to see a decline in the quality and quantity of sporting opportunities left.
As if today didn't already suck enough!
buckhunter, I don't ever want to see us as another Japan. THEY are hogging the oceans and ignoring treaties.
I guess I would be considered someone like you too. I worry too, that one day there will be no fish for fishing. Sometimes I feel like we are taking for granted the great fishing we have. People focus on other benefits besides that of fishing and hunting and it is scary to think that it could be a gone if man-kind as a whole starts to do something about it.... One person nor a group of people are going to help the situation completely. Although they will shine some light on the situation, we need everyone behind us on this one.
Hey, I remember when the ecology thing first hit, Lake Erie was considered dead. Now its a thriving fishery and I guess their safe to eat. The first step in solving a problem is to identify the problem. Apparently, we've done that. Now, we just have to figure out how to solve it. Rivers, by definition, clean out pretty quickly as the water is always being changed. I'm more worried about exotic invasives.
YooperJack,
The State of Ohio advises that you do not eat most fish caught out of Lake Erie more than once a month. Steelhead and catfish once every 2 months.
There are waters in the area that the State of Ohio recommends that you do not wade or swim in due to toxins.
90% of the waters in the State of Ohio are restricted as such.
buckhunter,
i live in PA and its the same exact way...one creek is stocked with trout in one spot and about two miles down stream its a sewer runoff.
im only 16 and ive been complimented many imes on cleaning up where i fish i hate when people leave crap laying around and pollute the water...im not trying to brag but its something i like to think that i should be proud of...i like to keep a garbage bag in my tackle box too and if i see something i pick it up and throw it away
The things in the water, endocrine disrupters, heavy metals and other toxins are already messing with peoples lives and reproduction, just like the birds, fish, frogs and other critters. Anybody else noting the jump in the population of autistic children? Then there is also increased incidence of intersex conditions as well. Our human greed and thoughtlessness is creating a lot of human suffering that gets swept under the rug. I fish and hunt and I will continue to do so, it ain't hunters and fishermen who caused the problem, it is the chemical and pharmacutical corporations that enrich themselves at the expense of the ordinary human beings who are victimized by the short sighted policies they espouse. In many cases the damage is done and all we can do is live with the consequences and hold the perps responsible. But the perp are well shielded and entrenched. The men who created the policies that unwittingly warped the human genome and created suffering (much yet to come) for millions of innocents will go to any length to transfer blame to patsys and victimized parties. It is the Corporationist Way. We need to knock the pins out from under the rising corporate class and bring back a world where human beings have more rights than corporations (not presently so think of Enron and AIG). People have the capacity to give a damn about whatever happens tomorrow. People (most of em) can have kids. Corporations only care about extracting profit and can only have subsidiaries. Corporations dehumanise the people they absorb for profits. It is the institution of the corporation that has caused so many of the troubles that people find themselves in today.
Ted Kazinsky was right, his method of getting attention was wrong. If he'd had the guts to say something instead of engaging in domestic terrorism (which I dissapprove of intensely)he might be making a difference today instead of rotting away in a supermax.
We need to end corporatism in order to further simple human survival by creating ideals greater than making profits. We cannot cash in the world.
The bottom line is that there are just too many of us in this country and on this planet. We can reduce consumption, clean up, use green technologies, etc. but the amount of waste we produce is starting to exceed the earth's ability to break down the waste. As in every animal species, when there is an overpopulation nature will make a correction.
It's been years since big business could dump their business in the rivers and yet the heavy metals persist to the point that I eat very limited amounts of my catch.
first off, all of you guys had better be careful about posting on the hunting blogs. Any time I say anything about preserving the natural environment over there I get called a liberal-hippie-enviro-PETA member. (none of which are even close to being true by the way)
chadlove-
Everything you said is true. Our planet is in rough shape and in a lot of ways its getting even worse. Things are definitely going to get worse (possibly a lot worse) before they get better.
That being said, we need to be careful about this defeatist "there's nothing we can do" attitude. If all of us who care about nature give up then things will definitely get a lot worse and stay that way. If we try there is at least a small chance that things will eventually get better. If we give up that chance is zero. Therefore, the only rational course of action is to try! and try damn hard!
I hear a lot of my friends saying things like "Alternative energy is useless, It will never make enough power to run the country, we should stop spending money on it" This attitude really worries me.
Think of where we'd be if humans always had that attitude. The Wright brother's first plane was a piece of junk, it only flew for 59 seconds and crashed all the time. They had problems just getting investors. But, 4 decades later the Germans had fighter jets, and a little under 7 decades later Neil Armstrong walked on the moon.
The combination of science and human ingenuity is an unbelievably powerful thing. I think we need to have faith that eventually it will beat out greed and ignorance.
Being a NY/NJ Striper Fisherman, what people do not realize is that, Pollution Saved the Striper Fishery in this area!...Hard to believe? Gotta ya scratchin' your noggin?...Well, once the GE plant and other industrials dropped PCB's into the Hudson, the levels of PCB's and Mercury were so high that the Stripers were not allowed to be taken commercially and it was recommended not to eat X meals per/week/month etc...
So, what resulted was a surge in the fishery, more abundant stocks and recreational and charter guys like myself being able to put clients on fish to 50 plus pounds...However, it is Pollution...and what Chad and many others mentioned, it is a culmination of decades of abuse...groups like the RFA and FCA are key in battling issues of protecting our waterways and species...
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You know it's bad when there are enough drugs being consumed to actually see significant levels in fish. We have a lot of problems.
I hate to be an enabler, but you are being a downer, with very good reason.
What we're experiencing now isn't the result of what we're doing now, it's the accumulated result of what we've been doing for decades, and there is simply no way to reverse that, it's inexorable.
I think that short-to-medium term, conditions in the world's fisheries are going to get much, much worse. The litany of problems is simply overwhelming: endocrine disruptors, rapidly rising acidity levels, industrial pollution, overfishing, coastal development, red tides, climate change, it's enough to make me want to pawn my rods, grab a bottle and go find a dark corner, because I think in the coming years we're going to be sticking a fork in a lot of what we cherish.
Obviously we should be doing everything possible to change our global behaviour, but that's mainly for our great-grandchildren's benefit.
We, to put it bluntly, are screwed regardless of what we do because this environmental train has already left the station.
And I don't think a lot of people realize that. They still want to believe there's some magic kumbaya bullet we can shoot, some great harmonic convergence of awareness we can all grok to and things will be all right.
It 'aint gonna happen. I'm not a pessimist. I'm simply a Malthusian pragmatist.
There's more and more evidence every day that we're stuck in the mother of all negative feedback loops.
When I started seeing the wire stories on how even the most worst-case-scenario climate change computer models were not only being confirmed by the hard, real-world climatological data, but in many cases were actually being overtaken, I (again) felt like grabbing the bottle.
How's that for being a downer?
Chad, we need to fish together. And if we can't get a trip together in time, we'll drink in a dark corner together.
Man, this made my day. Thanks a lot Joe, I already failed a physics test and now this. At least the physics thing can be made up for in the short term. I'm not going to go into a 7 paragraph rant like I really want to, but I'm going to say this: I'm not some dope smoking hippy that believes we should do away with all establishment, but the way we have treated our only planet is deplorable. I don't care if you believe in man-made global warming or not, we MUST stop polluting the air and water that we in turn breathe and drink. This should be a completely non-partisan, non-political goal that everyone could share. But no, the damn media and politicians in this country turn everything into a political issue. I'm all for the government having as little effect on the daily lives of U.S. citizens as possible, but one of the number one jobs of the federal government in this country should be to regulate and monitor things that could possibly have an adverse affect on the environment. Offer business' tax incentives for doing the right thing and making sure that they operate in a way to have as little effect on the environment as possible. If the situation with a particular business is bad enough, they should be fined, or possibly given the "death penalty" if they refuse to clean up their operation.
I'm not sure most of the people of this country realize how vital this is to our countries' future. That said, I don't think we're all of a sudden going to wake up one day and there be nowhere to hunt or fish. But we are certainly going to see a decline in the quality and quantity of sporting opportunities left.
As if today didn't already suck enough!
The story that got me thinking about this was quite a few years ago - estrogen in the watersheds. They were seeing high levels in bluegills. Apparently, from birth control pills - women urinate it out. Same with virtually all drugs that we take.
So this stuff is in our water supplies and food chain. Not sure what this is doing to us and our kids. I goes beyond a potential loss of fishing. What to do? I don't think people want to think about it. It a very complex environmental and social concern.
I also read an article several years back regarding the Poudre River in Colorado, stating it was found to have high levels of “Flushed” pollutants, so much to the point of physically affecting/altering the Trout populations.
It only makes sense that dumping water from a Sewerage Treatment Plant into pristine waterways is bad. There are already many Super Fund Cleanup sites in the U.S. directly affecting waterways, due to Industrial Plants, Strip Mines, Farms, etc, whether it is directly pumped or from run off.
In my opinion it is a major concern, trick question is what can be done, “Flushed” pollutants are here to stay, can the same be said for the future of species in the affected waterways? Proverbial can of worms on this one. Inevitably there will be areas that will lose fish populations, and over time they too will come back, but not with out a lot of research into this latest environmental issue.
Mercury was a big item in the 80's when I stopped eating the fish I caught. I think before that it was PCB's and before that it was raw industrial waste.
The facts are clear. The more people we have on this earth the more of a strain there will be on our waterways, lakes and oceans.
Sadly there is not enough money to make everything right and we are at the point where we have to pick and choose what is to be saved and what is an acceptable loss.
I see a day where we are like Japan, having very very limited access to the outdoor pursuits.
If there is any bright spot there is a lot of international pressure on the United States to clean up it's act. There are many groups around the world that realize that the world is becoming a very small place.
Forget the fish, the same waterways that have fish with high levels of pharmaceuticals are the same waterways feeding out drinking water. An awful lot of us are drinking some of the same water these fish are swimming in.
Chad,
If it's any consolation, After the human species dies off Mother Nature will once again have rivers in the Northwest stuffed with wild salmon again.
Buckhunter's right. I highly recommend reading "The World Without Us" by Alan Weisman. It's about just that...what would happen if we all just disappeared one day. Fascinating.
Joe, if I can swing the airfare to Joisey sometime, I expect you to put me on some stripers and tuna before it all goes to hell...
And that brings up another purely selfish downer that I'm sure a lot of us will be experiencing: here I've been poverty-stricken all my life and never been able to go fish the places I read and dreamed about as a kid.
So now that I'm slightly (very slightly) less poverty-stricken and can - every other leap year or so - actually take a trip, the places I read and dreamed about as a kid are dying.
Now that's depressing...
buckhunter, I don't ever want to see us as another Japan. THEY are hogging the oceans and ignoring treaties.
I guess I would be considered someone like you too. I worry too, that one day there will be no fish for fishing. Sometimes I feel like we are taking for granted the great fishing we have. People focus on other benefits besides that of fishing and hunting and it is scary to think that it could be a gone if man-kind as a whole starts to do something about it.... One person nor a group of people are going to help the situation completely. Although they will shine some light on the situation, we need everyone behind us on this one.
Hey, I remember when the ecology thing first hit, Lake Erie was considered dead. Now its a thriving fishery and I guess their safe to eat. The first step in solving a problem is to identify the problem. Apparently, we've done that. Now, we just have to figure out how to solve it. Rivers, by definition, clean out pretty quickly as the water is always being changed. I'm more worried about exotic invasives.
YooperJack,
The State of Ohio advises that you do not eat most fish caught out of Lake Erie more than once a month. Steelhead and catfish once every 2 months.
There are waters in the area that the State of Ohio recommends that you do not wade or swim in due to toxins.
90% of the waters in the State of Ohio are restricted as such.
buckhunter,
i live in PA and its the same exact way...one creek is stocked with trout in one spot and about two miles down stream its a sewer runoff.
im only 16 and ive been complimented many imes on cleaning up where i fish i hate when people leave crap laying around and pollute the water...im not trying to brag but its something i like to think that i should be proud of...i like to keep a garbage bag in my tackle box too and if i see something i pick it up and throw it away
The things in the water, endocrine disrupters, heavy metals and other toxins are already messing with peoples lives and reproduction, just like the birds, fish, frogs and other critters. Anybody else noting the jump in the population of autistic children? Then there is also increased incidence of intersex conditions as well. Our human greed and thoughtlessness is creating a lot of human suffering that gets swept under the rug. I fish and hunt and I will continue to do so, it ain't hunters and fishermen who caused the problem, it is the chemical and pharmacutical corporations that enrich themselves at the expense of the ordinary human beings who are victimized by the short sighted policies they espouse. In many cases the damage is done and all we can do is live with the consequences and hold the perps responsible. But the perp are well shielded and entrenched. The men who created the policies that unwittingly warped the human genome and created suffering (much yet to come) for millions of innocents will go to any length to transfer blame to patsys and victimized parties. It is the Corporationist Way. We need to knock the pins out from under the rising corporate class and bring back a world where human beings have more rights than corporations (not presently so think of Enron and AIG). People have the capacity to give a damn about whatever happens tomorrow. People (most of em) can have kids. Corporations only care about extracting profit and can only have subsidiaries. Corporations dehumanise the people they absorb for profits. It is the institution of the corporation that has caused so many of the troubles that people find themselves in today.
Ted Kazinsky was right, his method of getting attention was wrong. If he'd had the guts to say something instead of engaging in domestic terrorism (which I dissapprove of intensely)he might be making a difference today instead of rotting away in a supermax.
We need to end corporatism in order to further simple human survival by creating ideals greater than making profits. We cannot cash in the world.
The bottom line is that there are just too many of us in this country and on this planet. We can reduce consumption, clean up, use green technologies, etc. but the amount of waste we produce is starting to exceed the earth's ability to break down the waste. As in every animal species, when there is an overpopulation nature will make a correction.
It's been years since big business could dump their business in the rivers and yet the heavy metals persist to the point that I eat very limited amounts of my catch.
first off, all of you guys had better be careful about posting on the hunting blogs. Any time I say anything about preserving the natural environment over there I get called a liberal-hippie-enviro-PETA member. (none of which are even close to being true by the way)
chadlove-
Everything you said is true. Our planet is in rough shape and in a lot of ways its getting even worse. Things are definitely going to get worse (possibly a lot worse) before they get better.
That being said, we need to be careful about this defeatist "there's nothing we can do" attitude. If all of us who care about nature give up then things will definitely get a lot worse and stay that way. If we try there is at least a small chance that things will eventually get better. If we give up that chance is zero. Therefore, the only rational course of action is to try! and try damn hard!
I hear a lot of my friends saying things like "Alternative energy is useless, It will never make enough power to run the country, we should stop spending money on it" This attitude really worries me.
Think of where we'd be if humans always had that attitude. The Wright brother's first plane was a piece of junk, it only flew for 59 seconds and crashed all the time. They had problems just getting investors. But, 4 decades later the Germans had fighter jets, and a little under 7 decades later Neil Armstrong walked on the moon.
The combination of science and human ingenuity is an unbelievably powerful thing. I think we need to have faith that eventually it will beat out greed and ignorance.
Being a NY/NJ Striper Fisherman, what people do not realize is that, Pollution Saved the Striper Fishery in this area!...Hard to believe? Gotta ya scratchin' your noggin?...Well, once the GE plant and other industrials dropped PCB's into the Hudson, the levels of PCB's and Mercury were so high that the Stripers were not allowed to be taken commercially and it was recommended not to eat X meals per/week/month etc...
So, what resulted was a surge in the fishery, more abundant stocks and recreational and charter guys like myself being able to put clients on fish to 50 plus pounds...However, it is Pollution...and what Chad and many others mentioned, it is a culmination of decades of abuse...groups like the RFA and FCA are key in battling issues of protecting our waterways and species...
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