


September 03, 2009
Debate: Ads That Glorify The Kill

Not long ago, I questioned the taste of some t-shirts being marketed to hunters. You can read it here. Now its time to pick on the print ad featured in this post. I spotted this just yesterday, when one of the hunting mags I subscribe to arrived in the mail.
I’ve been a bowhunter for over 30 seasons now, and I appreciate an easy-to-follow recovery trail as much as anyone. Indeed, I’m happy to gush—for lack of a better term—about a copious stream of blood that makes finding a buck as simple as connect-the-dots. But I reserve my enthusiasm for my trusted hunting buddies, and typically only while on the trail itself. Sharp broadheads placed in vital areas are, after all, one of my goals, and I’d be lying if I said I didn’t enjoy it when they perform well.
But at the same time, I don’t appreciate over-the-top celebrations of death by massive hemorrhage...whether it comes from a loudmouth in a bar, or in a national print media ad. Not sure if it was the same company or not, but a buddy told me about an ad he’d seen that claimed hitting a buck with a particular broadhead was “like throwing an axe” through the deer.
As I said in the t-shirt post, hunters can’t sugar-coat that we kill things, and there’s obviously nothing wrong with being honest about how we do it...but this in-your-face approach seems a bit much.
Your thoughts?
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I agree with you, we have nothing to hide or be ashamed of, but still need to put our best foot forward and not give the antis any more ammo than they already have.
I agree. I love Rage 2 blades and I agree that a fire hose might be a good description for some of the blood trails I have followed from a Rage. But...for me personally that ad isn't very classy. They could have brought it up one notch and conveyed the same message.
I think it is in bad taste to glorify the sometimes not so pleasant aspects of hunting. I know that my bullets and broadheads are made to sever and pierce vital organs and major arteries which results in death by asphyxiation or massive blood loss. And I do want products that do these things and do them well, but I think it more appropriate to market these products on how quickly and cleanly they work, not how much it makes a game animal bleed. I'm not Rambo, I'm a sportsman.
ENO hit the nail on the head: "Not classy".
Sportsmen don't need to wear camo tuxes into the field, but we should certainly present ourselves with more class than this ad.
That Ad fits right in with "high fives" over the kill in my book.
Unfortunatly, I agree. I say "unfortunatly" because I wish we lived in a world where we wouldn't need to have this discussion. We shouldn't have to "walk on eggsells" all the time so we don't offend anyone. But we need to do that. As 007 points out above, we can't afford to give the anti-hunters any more ammo than they already have.
I agree with the side that thinks that is just a bit brutal to use as a shining example of hunting ethics.
The idea may be exactly what we feel, or hope to actually experience in the field, but shoving that ad at the general public could switch "fence sitters" to the opposing side.
Just a turn off for me. Seems to be addressed more from and to hard core blood and guts gamers than hunters.
While I agree that this ad was in bad taste, anti hunters make me sick. It's sad that I, as well as other hunters, get a hard time from people while we are in pursuit of food for our tables that can only be described as "organic" and "free-range." Maybe if we herd them all up and kill them in a packing plant and wrap them in plastic at the grocery store, the anti's wouldn't have so much of a problem with it. Let's spare the poor animals from the barbaric practice of hunting and let them die a decent death at the hands of some illegal working in a meat packing plant somewhere in Iowa. give me a break.
I'll find another company's product to use until they think about the bigger picture. It's not always YOUR clients and customers you have to think of.
By the way, did anyone else get a chuckle out of the irony of the comments about "giving anti hunters ammo?"
I echo most before me...it's a bit over the top and, frankly, I know nothing of this broadhead but would be turned off by it because the ad looks like it needs that imagery and in-your-face style to sell rather than just making a good product (which I'm sure in reality it is). The only "bright side" is this is in a hunting mag/catalog, not necessarily on a highway billboard or shirt, as the last article discussed.
These ads are just as distastefull as the ones inside Field and Stream by Polaris glorifing Food Plots as used by "serious deer hunters". All "commercialization of hunting" is sickening.
It is a bit much for me. I agree with most of the above in that they could have come up with a better way of marketing their product.
Well spoken. I don't know that I worry about the Anti-crowd specifically, but there is more to the ethos of an outdoorsman that death. Would like to see that marketed as well as the terminal end of a successful hunt.
While I have to admit that the fire hose analogy is a clever marketing tactic, I believe they could have gotten the same point across with just the statement in yellow. Take out the fire hose and it's refering statement, and enlarge the broadhead image so we can get a good look at it's construction (that is, after all, supposed to be the item of interest).
Unfortunately, this is just another example of some marketing guru's attempt to ensure that you remember the ad, without putting much thought into the whole picture and what positive/negative affect if might have on the image of the hunter.
So — how does this add compare with Tarantino's lates? I was in the theater, and the audience laughed at both humor and gore, which I thought odd.
*latest, even
I agree that the ads are a bit much. There's another ad these folks use that states "it's like throwing an ax through the deer".......
I do use the heads (and have for the last couple of years), but as a customer of this company, but more importantly as a hunter, I don't like the ads @ all.
I do agree that it is way too much. There are so many other ways to advertise their product. But sad to say, in the world we live in, the ones that are bothered by scenes like this are in the minority. If you don't believe me just take a look at the boxoffice results at the theaters when the bloody, gorey slasher films come out. Seems more the blood, more the money made. There are ALOT of sick people out there that wouldn't blink an eye at an ad like this one, some probably even think it's funny! I'm glad to see the negative responses about the ad. I don't use those broadheads and the ad doesn't make me want to either, if anything I'm glad I don't use them.
I totally agree with the article. Living in Idaho during this wolf issue right now I see these anti-hunters coming out of the woodwork, grabbing at anything to spread their animosity towards sportsmen. Ads like these just fuels the fire and spreads their word farther. I don't care if people don't agree with our sport but the more hardliners on that side the more money, effort and bribes go towards us playing hunting video games to relive the good old days in the future instead of doing what we love. The less we are noticed by the haters the longer we will be able to hunt and fish.
This ad makes me wince. It will probably create backlash against hunters.
Good God, that's not a broadhead, it's a freakin' LAWS rocket! As far as hunting deer with an axe, well, you have to admit it would be pretty sporting; think about how close you'd have to get. Of course then there would be the great debate: stone head vs. steel, wooden handle vs. synthetic.
that ad is pretty tasteless. it looks like an advertisement for a horror movie.
I agree. Legal hunters have nothing to be ashamed of (and a lot to be proud of, actually), but it is pointless to glorify the gory aspects. All game animals deserve to be treated with the respect due them.
I agree that this ad while effective at communicating the idea it needs to be a little more classy in the delivery
I would agree with those who think this ad is tasteless.
To some extent I see this ad as representative of the growing acceptance of vulgarity in mainstream American culture - where every ad executive and celebrity wants to have an impact and shocking the community at large is one of the surest ways of having an impact. Unfortunately, that reflects poorly on the hunting community in this example.
I also think it can have a corrosive effect. When people abandon restraint in their speech, it is not surprising when they later abandon restraint in their action.
This ad makes a legitimate argument - bleeding out an animal as rapidly as possible for a quick and humane kill is desirable. But when I see this ad, I see it appealing to a different underlying attitude, one that does not respect the animal. I guess I see it as appealing to those hunters who more willing to take shots that are beyond their skill level and who would not be bothered if their errant shot merely crippled an animal. (Yes, I know the ad doesn't go there, but in my mind it seems designed to appeal to those people who do.)
Sir Scott, as both of us knows we don’t need this kind of advertisement to let us know how lethal something is. As your knowledge and skills grow so does your ability to recognize what’s best to use!
This advertisement reminds me of a hunter coming back from the woods with a deer flung across the hood of his car! Hunters especially none hunters are going to pass this in the store and what is the reaction will be?
Clay I remember seeing photos from years ago when that was the thing to do strap the deer to the hood of the car and drive around town showing off you handy work. What happened to the good old days? I do have a hunting tee shirt that has a pic of a deer on it that says Vegetables aren't food, vegetables are what food eat.
I think there is something subhuman about thrilling in the kill-taking a life is not something one should ever be particularly proud of. I do understand the excitement of success, and don't see anything wrong with it. But this is gory, glorifying blood, and is disrespectful to an animal whose life has been sacrificed to sustain another's. Hunting is first and foremost about meat-everything else should be secondary. I am proud of outsmarting a big buck (I've only done it once) but I don't rejoice in it's lost life. I am thankful that I had the chance to see it, to shoot it, clean it and bring it to the table. I may mount it's head as a reminder of it, a tribute to it. And I would like to be able to track it easily if I can't drop it where I hit it. But a broadhead that shoots like throwing an axe through a deer, or an exit wound that spouts like a firehose, smacks of bloodlust. It embarrases me as a hunter. It tarnishes the animals dignity. Even predators don't rejoice in blood-they seem pretty indifferent about the kill to me.
Ranks right up there with telling folks about the 40% of a chicken that isn't sold as chicken, or how they go from walking around pecking in the dirt to sitting on your plate.
"Dirty Jobs" is one of my favorite programs, but its not required watching.
We need to bring class, honor and respect back into fashion.
Seems like an ad for wannabe hunters.
Not a huge fan of the add, but I guess I'm more OK with it than others. This one is quite graphic, but I don't see it glorifying the kill as much as others have.
What does bother me is the "Expand your Kill Zone" part. Sorry, but these broadheads don't expand any kill zones. You still have to make good heart/lung shots. Preferably with a reliable fixed blade. Mechanicals work great until they don't, then you have unnecessary suffering for both the deer and the hunter.
The ad was in bad taste. I think a good read is Don Thomas's (from Bowhunter and Traditional Bowhunters) essay on broadheads. He really goes into depth on how broadheads actually kill (don thomas is a doctor). I think Rage has the wrong idea.
It was Chuck Adams of all people who said "It's like throwing an axe through a deer" in the TV ad for Rage. I personally prefer your standard 3-bladed Muzzy or a 2-bladed Magnus just because its a time tested design and they are very economical. The price of a rage broadhead would make me cry if I lost the arrow.
The ad is in poor taste but much of the TV commercial hunting now days is of poor quality if you ask me.
The taking of an animal is a sombering event. You've just taken a life. You have strategised the hunt and coupled the hard work with success. It's a moment to reflected upon the hunt and respect to be bestowed upon the animal.
To glorify the thrashing, blood, death process is truely in piss poor taste and I will not buy anything packaged with that type of graphic print/ picture. I don't want my kid to see it when we go to a sporting goods store either. The graphic displays are part of the eye candy used to entice the video gamers and youth of today that have not been taught respect for life or a source of food.
A tastefully done logo, equipment specs and statistics and a well done mount trophy or not is good enough for me as well as reputation.
I like Muzzy MX-3 100 gr. with Eston St. Epic Carbon Arrows. Tried and true broadheads in a tasteful and economical package.
I have to say that this ad is a little unsettling. I also saw the tv ad for this product and it was just as bad. It had a lot of hunting show personalities talking about "gaping wound channels" and had Chuck Adams say the line "Its like throwing an axe through an animal!" while holding an axe. I think it is pretty rediculous that on most hunting shows they do their best to make sure no blood or guts make it on the air other than impact shots. It shows them walk up to an animal that has been wiped clean of all blood before they get there. There is almost never any mention of the meat or how the animal will be used, only green scores and G2's and G3's. Thats why Ive stopped watching most hunting shows especially those featuring whitetail hunts almost exclusively. They are all the same and not at all representative of real hunting. It is infuriating that the "hunting celebrities" try to cover up reality on their programs while being paid to endorse products that use over the top, in your face advertising like this.
I think the intent was not to glorify killing and gore, but rather the effectiveness of the Rage broadhead. In my experience the Rage does just what Chuck Adams claims,"It looks like you threw an axe at the deer". I am not condoning the excessive use of what appears to be blood coming out of the hose, however, advertising to attract the younger generation keeps getting racier, more suggestive and the like; now this type of advertising appears to be spilling over into the hunting industry.
I think that it is just a way of promotion. Yes I believe that such talk and "picture painting" should be left to within those who hunt and not publicised since it gives out the wrong message. But this not only grabs the attention of Peta members but also hunters...
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I agree. I love Rage 2 blades and I agree that a fire hose might be a good description for some of the blood trails I have followed from a Rage. But...for me personally that ad isn't very classy. They could have brought it up one notch and conveyed the same message.
I agree with the side that thinks that is just a bit brutal to use as a shining example of hunting ethics.
The idea may be exactly what we feel, or hope to actually experience in the field, but shoving that ad at the general public could switch "fence sitters" to the opposing side.
I agree with you, we have nothing to hide or be ashamed of, but still need to put our best foot forward and not give the antis any more ammo than they already have.
ENO hit the nail on the head: "Not classy".
Sportsmen don't need to wear camo tuxes into the field, but we should certainly present ourselves with more class than this ad.
By the way, did anyone else get a chuckle out of the irony of the comments about "giving anti hunters ammo?"
These ads are just as distastefull as the ones inside Field and Stream by Polaris glorifing Food Plots as used by "serious deer hunters". All "commercialization of hunting" is sickening.
I think it is in bad taste to glorify the sometimes not so pleasant aspects of hunting. I know that my bullets and broadheads are made to sever and pierce vital organs and major arteries which results in death by asphyxiation or massive blood loss. And I do want products that do these things and do them well, but I think it more appropriate to market these products on how quickly and cleanly they work, not how much it makes a game animal bleed. I'm not Rambo, I'm a sportsman.
While I agree that this ad was in bad taste, anti hunters make me sick. It's sad that I, as well as other hunters, get a hard time from people while we are in pursuit of food for our tables that can only be described as "organic" and "free-range." Maybe if we herd them all up and kill them in a packing plant and wrap them in plastic at the grocery store, the anti's wouldn't have so much of a problem with it. Let's spare the poor animals from the barbaric practice of hunting and let them die a decent death at the hands of some illegal working in a meat packing plant somewhere in Iowa. give me a break.
I would agree with those who think this ad is tasteless.
To some extent I see this ad as representative of the growing acceptance of vulgarity in mainstream American culture - where every ad executive and celebrity wants to have an impact and shocking the community at large is one of the surest ways of having an impact. Unfortunately, that reflects poorly on the hunting community in this example.
I also think it can have a corrosive effect. When people abandon restraint in their speech, it is not surprising when they later abandon restraint in their action.
This ad makes a legitimate argument - bleeding out an animal as rapidly as possible for a quick and humane kill is desirable. But when I see this ad, I see it appealing to a different underlying attitude, one that does not respect the animal. I guess I see it as appealing to those hunters who more willing to take shots that are beyond their skill level and who would not be bothered if their errant shot merely crippled an animal. (Yes, I know the ad doesn't go there, but in my mind it seems designed to appeal to those people who do.)
Clay I remember seeing photos from years ago when that was the thing to do strap the deer to the hood of the car and drive around town showing off you handy work. What happened to the good old days? I do have a hunting tee shirt that has a pic of a deer on it that says Vegetables aren't food, vegetables are what food eat.
I think there is something subhuman about thrilling in the kill-taking a life is not something one should ever be particularly proud of. I do understand the excitement of success, and don't see anything wrong with it. But this is gory, glorifying blood, and is disrespectful to an animal whose life has been sacrificed to sustain another's. Hunting is first and foremost about meat-everything else should be secondary. I am proud of outsmarting a big buck (I've only done it once) but I don't rejoice in it's lost life. I am thankful that I had the chance to see it, to shoot it, clean it and bring it to the table. I may mount it's head as a reminder of it, a tribute to it. And I would like to be able to track it easily if I can't drop it where I hit it. But a broadhead that shoots like throwing an axe through a deer, or an exit wound that spouts like a firehose, smacks of bloodlust. It embarrases me as a hunter. It tarnishes the animals dignity. Even predators don't rejoice in blood-they seem pretty indifferent about the kill to me.
Unfortunatly, I agree. I say "unfortunatly" because I wish we lived in a world where we wouldn't need to have this discussion. We shouldn't have to "walk on eggsells" all the time so we don't offend anyone. But we need to do that. As 007 points out above, we can't afford to give the anti-hunters any more ammo than they already have.
Just a turn off for me. Seems to be addressed more from and to hard core blood and guts gamers than hunters.
I'll find another company's product to use until they think about the bigger picture. It's not always YOUR clients and customers you have to think of.
I echo most before me...it's a bit over the top and, frankly, I know nothing of this broadhead but would be turned off by it because the ad looks like it needs that imagery and in-your-face style to sell rather than just making a good product (which I'm sure in reality it is). The only "bright side" is this is in a hunting mag/catalog, not necessarily on a highway billboard or shirt, as the last article discussed.
It is a bit much for me. I agree with most of the above in that they could have come up with a better way of marketing their product.
Well spoken. I don't know that I worry about the Anti-crowd specifically, but there is more to the ethos of an outdoorsman that death. Would like to see that marketed as well as the terminal end of a successful hunt.
While I have to admit that the fire hose analogy is a clever marketing tactic, I believe they could have gotten the same point across with just the statement in yellow. Take out the fire hose and it's refering statement, and enlarge the broadhead image so we can get a good look at it's construction (that is, after all, supposed to be the item of interest).
Unfortunately, this is just another example of some marketing guru's attempt to ensure that you remember the ad, without putting much thought into the whole picture and what positive/negative affect if might have on the image of the hunter.
So — how does this add compare with Tarantino's lates? I was in the theater, and the audience laughed at both humor and gore, which I thought odd.
I agree that the ads are a bit much. There's another ad these folks use that states "it's like throwing an ax through the deer".......
I do use the heads (and have for the last couple of years), but as a customer of this company, but more importantly as a hunter, I don't like the ads @ all.
I do agree that it is way too much. There are so many other ways to advertise their product. But sad to say, in the world we live in, the ones that are bothered by scenes like this are in the minority. If you don't believe me just take a look at the boxoffice results at the theaters when the bloody, gorey slasher films come out. Seems more the blood, more the money made. There are ALOT of sick people out there that wouldn't blink an eye at an ad like this one, some probably even think it's funny! I'm glad to see the negative responses about the ad. I don't use those broadheads and the ad doesn't make me want to either, if anything I'm glad I don't use them.
I totally agree with the article. Living in Idaho during this wolf issue right now I see these anti-hunters coming out of the woodwork, grabbing at anything to spread their animosity towards sportsmen. Ads like these just fuels the fire and spreads their word farther. I don't care if people don't agree with our sport but the more hardliners on that side the more money, effort and bribes go towards us playing hunting video games to relive the good old days in the future instead of doing what we love. The less we are noticed by the haters the longer we will be able to hunt and fish.
This ad makes me wince. It will probably create backlash against hunters.
Good God, that's not a broadhead, it's a freakin' LAWS rocket! As far as hunting deer with an axe, well, you have to admit it would be pretty sporting; think about how close you'd have to get. Of course then there would be the great debate: stone head vs. steel, wooden handle vs. synthetic.
that ad is pretty tasteless. it looks like an advertisement for a horror movie.
I agree. Legal hunters have nothing to be ashamed of (and a lot to be proud of, actually), but it is pointless to glorify the gory aspects. All game animals deserve to be treated with the respect due them.
I agree that this ad while effective at communicating the idea it needs to be a little more classy in the delivery
Sir Scott, as both of us knows we don’t need this kind of advertisement to let us know how lethal something is. As your knowledge and skills grow so does your ability to recognize what’s best to use!
This advertisement reminds me of a hunter coming back from the woods with a deer flung across the hood of his car! Hunters especially none hunters are going to pass this in the store and what is the reaction will be?
Ranks right up there with telling folks about the 40% of a chicken that isn't sold as chicken, or how they go from walking around pecking in the dirt to sitting on your plate.
"Dirty Jobs" is one of my favorite programs, but its not required watching.
We need to bring class, honor and respect back into fashion.
Seems like an ad for wannabe hunters.
Not a huge fan of the add, but I guess I'm more OK with it than others. This one is quite graphic, but I don't see it glorifying the kill as much as others have.
What does bother me is the "Expand your Kill Zone" part. Sorry, but these broadheads don't expand any kill zones. You still have to make good heart/lung shots. Preferably with a reliable fixed blade. Mechanicals work great until they don't, then you have unnecessary suffering for both the deer and the hunter.
The ad was in bad taste. I think a good read is Don Thomas's (from Bowhunter and Traditional Bowhunters) essay on broadheads. He really goes into depth on how broadheads actually kill (don thomas is a doctor). I think Rage has the wrong idea.
*latest, even
It was Chuck Adams of all people who said "It's like throwing an axe through a deer" in the TV ad for Rage. I personally prefer your standard 3-bladed Muzzy or a 2-bladed Magnus just because its a time tested design and they are very economical. The price of a rage broadhead would make me cry if I lost the arrow.
The ad is in poor taste but much of the TV commercial hunting now days is of poor quality if you ask me.
I think the intent was not to glorify killing and gore, but rather the effectiveness of the Rage broadhead. In my experience the Rage does just what Chuck Adams claims,"It looks like you threw an axe at the deer". I am not condoning the excessive use of what appears to be blood coming out of the hose, however, advertising to attract the younger generation keeps getting racier, more suggestive and the like; now this type of advertising appears to be spilling over into the hunting industry.
The taking of an animal is a sombering event. You've just taken a life. You have strategised the hunt and coupled the hard work with success. It's a moment to reflected upon the hunt and respect to be bestowed upon the animal.
To glorify the thrashing, blood, death process is truely in piss poor taste and I will not buy anything packaged with that type of graphic print/ picture. I don't want my kid to see it when we go to a sporting goods store either. The graphic displays are part of the eye candy used to entice the video gamers and youth of today that have not been taught respect for life or a source of food.
A tastefully done logo, equipment specs and statistics and a well done mount trophy or not is good enough for me as well as reputation.
I like Muzzy MX-3 100 gr. with Eston St. Epic Carbon Arrows. Tried and true broadheads in a tasteful and economical package.
I have to say that this ad is a little unsettling. I also saw the tv ad for this product and it was just as bad. It had a lot of hunting show personalities talking about "gaping wound channels" and had Chuck Adams say the line "Its like throwing an axe through an animal!" while holding an axe. I think it is pretty rediculous that on most hunting shows they do their best to make sure no blood or guts make it on the air other than impact shots. It shows them walk up to an animal that has been wiped clean of all blood before they get there. There is almost never any mention of the meat or how the animal will be used, only green scores and G2's and G3's. Thats why Ive stopped watching most hunting shows especially those featuring whitetail hunts almost exclusively. They are all the same and not at all representative of real hunting. It is infuriating that the "hunting celebrities" try to cover up reality on their programs while being paid to endorse products that use over the top, in your face advertising like this.
I think that it is just a way of promotion. Yes I believe that such talk and "picture painting" should be left to within those who hunt and not publicised since it gives out the wrong message. But this not only grabs the attention of Peta members but also hunters...
That Ad fits right in with "high fives" over the kill in my book.
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