


December 16, 2009
Not All Big Bucks Come From the Midwest
By Scott Bestul

My friend Tim Herald just sent me this picture of a dandy buck he’d shot recently in Oklahoma. Tim is host of the TV show “The Zone” and, in addition to being one of the few celebrities I know, is an excellent hunter. His job “forces” Tim to hunt all over the country, and the man is a big-buck magnet; one of those guys who just seems to have game run to him. If Tim wasn’t such a nice guy, I’d hate him.
Since Oklahoma rarely gets the exposure it deserves as a whitetail destination, I thought Mr. Herald’s deer would offer a nice chance to talk about deer hunting in the not-so-popular places. I get besieged by photos from Iowa, Illinois, Kansas, Wisconsin…And I love getting every one of them. But let’s face it, whitetails grow all over our great nation, and I’d like to know how the hunting has been in the not-so-famous spots.
So chime in, you folks who hunt the places not normally featured on tv. Send us a report on your gun hunt, your bow season, your muzzleloader safari. If the hunting is great and the bucks are huge, I promise I won’t tell Tim Herald!
Comments (31)
Anyone ever get the feeling that these celebrity hunters just can't get their picture taken without properly placing their endorsed products (TC and UnderArmour cannot be missed!). I suppose I would do the same if I was in their shoes.
Thank you Mr. Bestul! Glad to see Oklahoma finally get a little recognition, as there are plenty of big bucks taken here every year. View my profile photos for a glimpse of two nice Okie bucks taken this rifle season.
Even though I have about as good a deer hunting as anyplace in by backyard, I always wanted to try deer hunting sup in Canada, Seems like the ones you see pics of/read stories about are some real monsters in just body size alone.
I don't believe any one of the T.V. show "hunters" really "hunt" anywhere other than a high fence facility. I don't care who you pretend to be on T.V. Nobody kills big bucks everytime they go afield, especially on ground they've "never hunted" before. What you don't see is the high fence, the game drivers, and the money changing hands. What you do see is the product promotion, the fake white smile and the glow of a car salesman.
The OK state has been known for a up and comming state for large bucks. Michigan has several large bucks, but not the size of the most recent Ohio buck, taken each year. In the right part of state there is an abundance of deer, but our liberal buck restrictions and population prevent many of the deer to reach their potential. We did have a gross 240 inch 26 point taken by a cross bow hunter in Delton, Michigan this year. One problem it escaped from a 900 acre game ranch less than a mile away. Still the most impressive rack I have ever laid my eyes on, and what a disapointment for a person who thought they might have had a state record.
It was a breader buck, that was reportedly purchased for 20-40 thousand dollars. I have personally seen the rack and the deer, but there seems to be a lot mistery around this local famous deer.
Jay quote "Anyone ever get the feeling that these celebrity hunters just can't get their picture taken without properly placing their endorsed products (TC and UnderArmour cannot be missed!). I suppose I would do the same if I was in their shoes."
Jay,
I've often wondered when we would see these TV guys covered up in patches on their camo and bow/guns like NASCAR.
Then they could spend 10 minutes after every kill thanking their sponsors....
Here's my quick scouting tip for those of you who don't think you can hunt a new area successfully -- make a couple phone calls. If you're going to an area with any timber, contact the closest appropriate FORESTRY office. Note that I didn't say wildlife biologist. Especially if it's federal land you're looking at, the foresters are more likely to have actually put boots on the ground where you intend to go. And I think we're at a point where more foresters are hunters than wildlife biologists. I'm assuming that Oklahoma would have rangeland or prairie specialists -- check with them.
if TC or UA paid for me to kill a deer like that, i would probably do the same thing. nice deer.
I have felt the same as Walt since seeing my first hunting show on Outdoor Channel. I hunt private land in a great deer state and huge bucks do not come easy here either. Certainly not like they show on TV.
Nice buck, what caliber is that rifle?
We get some big bucks in ontario, maybe not whopping antlers, but body size wise. And lets face it, you can't eat antler.
I agree with all the comments about the "Celebrity hunters" but I must point out that Oklahoma is also a "Midwest State"
yhe last time I looked a a map .
Heh Heh
Here in Indiana, the hunting has been slow but has paid off. Due to a late corn harvest this year, we did not really see very many deer. But I was able to tag a NICE 8-pointer. My trail cam has also collected lots of pictures of GOOD bucks in the past month or so. I have an old neighbor who seems to tag a big buck every year, and has always hunted in Indiana. If you have been watching this sigt lately, you will notice that quite a few nice bucks have been taken here this year, not to mention some real monsters. I really like the hunting here and probably will never go anywhere else for whitetails.
Now not many people here about east TN. I guess because its really know for being one of the hardest places in the United States to kill both deer and turkey because of thickness of the woods. TN is really the place that you can go all year and maybe see only 10 deer. It wasn't until last year that I got my chance at a monster buck. I don't know if any of you heard about the big TVA ash spill in kingston, TN, but I was hunting straight across from it. In November of last year, first day of Muzzelloader, a huge 9 pointer came running in to about 20 yards. Green score 140. I know that this is probably the biggest deer that I will ever kill in TN. What really sucks is that december was the last time I would ever get to hunt there because TVA bought everyone near the spill out. I guess it was really only fate that after 11 years of hunting the same spot, only a month till the last day of ever getting to hunt there this monster buck walks in. If you want to see some pics or trail cam videos e-mail me at zlopez11@gmail.com.
Please shut your piehole about Oklahoma.
It would be appreciated!
:)
If you like venison more than horns, come out here to Nebraska. Estimated 350,000 to 500,000 deer in the state, from an estimated 50 in 1900.
We need your help.
Are there big bucks, sure, but so what?
Rifle season (9 days) harvested 53,000+.
Blackpowder season runs entire month of December, when we go. Where we go is 50/50 whitetail/mulies. Not hunting horns, hunting meat.
Game Department considering running additional (free with your current license) season in January to reduce numbers. Insurance companies tired of thousands of claims car/deer crashes every year.
Bowhunters have additional opportunities to help reduce deer herd in eastern metro area.
We could use your help (and your $$$)
Nolan, no you can't eat the horns but you can stir the stew with them.
Lets get that photo, ready, one, two, three....oh no, my sponsor logos are not perfectly placed! Nice bill board shot...
I know these guys get paid by their sponsors but geez...
I agree with Del, it seems too many big deer "run into" these guys. Let him hunt with the rest of us and he is just a nice guy!
Jeeze, people get so jealous. Being a professional hunter grants you certain privileges. Just like working in a restaurant can earn you free lunches, those guys get to go great places because it's their business. Get over it. Would you throw a couple logos in your pictures if it was what put food on your family's table? Remember please, it is your passion/pastime, and it is their JOB. You will never measure up, so quit being jealous.
That's a heck of a buck. Congrats on a fine hunt.
OH, love the show to.
Hey if it make their living I don't care. If I were younger I would try to get one of those gigs.
there are big bucks everywhere!
One must wonder if the "tall brush" in the distant background of the picture is actually a tall fence.
I wouldn't be surprised if the giant buck in the picture had been little more than a handfed pet for years on someone's tall fence private game ranch.
The buck is too big, too fat and too clean to be a wild buck in wintertime snow-and-ice USA. Likewise, the "hunter" looks far too pretty, far too clean, far too not-tired-at-all (and his advertising slogans are also nauseating) and just too-plain-fake for me to believe his "hunt" was anything more than a "farce."
Have any of us who ever spent time in the wilds getting cold, getting dirty, getting sleep deprived, getting tired, and finally getting--if we're lucky--our game-- ever looked like the guy in the picture? Come on.
Contrast the picture above with the genuine no-sh*t hunting picture of F&S's David E. Petzal and his (realistic sized) buck in Kanasas. (Btw, I don't know Petzal and I'm not a F&S writer or advertiser.) Petzal looks frozen, tired, dirty, happy, but also nearly wiped out. His buck looks like a genuine wild animal that met its end because of Petzal's skill and marksmanship. None of this is the way things look in the the picture above at all.
I think the only "hunt" that took place here was when the walking billboard advertisement in the picture looked for his baggage and his rental car keys at the airport when he arrived in-state. I suspect everything else about his so-called "hunt" was staged from beginning to end.
TWD
T.W. Ya Think??? I agree 100%
Absolutely, TW. Anyone that kills a bigger deer than you cheated.
Some great deer come from the delta in Arkansas also. Check out the pic of this one killed on public land on Thanksgiving afternoon. One lucky guy whoever he is. http://www.arkansashunting.net/showthread.php?s=8cb5ea893e8f632487a7e275.... Has been some awesome deer killed around here this year.
It amazes me that when a great is killed anyware but up in the norhtern states how it gets belittled. I just completed a trip to Louisiana and took a great sothern whitetail. Seen many BC scoreable bucks harvested. This is all on a 1200 acre pulp wood track surrounded bu thousands more acres of pines.I grew up in Iowa and hunted feedlot deer that roamed around grain feilds. I moved to Oklahoma and had to learn how to hunt all over. The hunting in eastern Oklahoma and western Arkansas is real in the woods experiance. Rough terrian and nature feed whitetail. In my area bucks with BC/PY class are more common every season. Follow up on the ODWC website and see how many 150"+ buck are harvested on public land. 200" class have came off pulic land NOT high fence. Congrats on the deer. P.S. Any one up to the challange of packing in 1-2 miles to a deer stand on 54K of public land Kiamichi Mtns let me know.
I think it's also a harvest. Right? http://www.simplyrest.com
Hello, I love hunting too.
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I don't believe any one of the T.V. show "hunters" really "hunt" anywhere other than a high fence facility. I don't care who you pretend to be on T.V. Nobody kills big bucks everytime they go afield, especially on ground they've "never hunted" before. What you don't see is the high fence, the game drivers, and the money changing hands. What you do see is the product promotion, the fake white smile and the glow of a car salesman.
Anyone ever get the feeling that these celebrity hunters just can't get their picture taken without properly placing their endorsed products (TC and UnderArmour cannot be missed!). I suppose I would do the same if I was in their shoes.
Please shut your piehole about Oklahoma.
It would be appreciated!
:)
The OK state has been known for a up and comming state for large bucks. Michigan has several large bucks, but not the size of the most recent Ohio buck, taken each year. In the right part of state there is an abundance of deer, but our liberal buck restrictions and population prevent many of the deer to reach their potential. We did have a gross 240 inch 26 point taken by a cross bow hunter in Delton, Michigan this year. One problem it escaped from a 900 acre game ranch less than a mile away. Still the most impressive rack I have ever laid my eyes on, and what a disapointment for a person who thought they might have had a state record.
If you like venison more than horns, come out here to Nebraska. Estimated 350,000 to 500,000 deer in the state, from an estimated 50 in 1900.
We need your help.
Are there big bucks, sure, but so what?
Rifle season (9 days) harvested 53,000+.
Blackpowder season runs entire month of December, when we go. Where we go is 50/50 whitetail/mulies. Not hunting horns, hunting meat.
Game Department considering running additional (free with your current license) season in January to reduce numbers. Insurance companies tired of thousands of claims car/deer crashes every year.
Bowhunters have additional opportunities to help reduce deer herd in eastern metro area.
We could use your help (and your $$$)
Lets get that photo, ready, one, two, three....oh no, my sponsor logos are not perfectly placed! Nice bill board shot...
I know these guys get paid by their sponsors but geez...
I agree with Del, it seems too many big deer "run into" these guys. Let him hunt with the rest of us and he is just a nice guy!
I have felt the same as Walt since seeing my first hunting show on Outdoor Channel. I hunt private land in a great deer state and huge bucks do not come easy here either. Certainly not like they show on TV.
It was a breader buck, that was reportedly purchased for 20-40 thousand dollars. I have personally seen the rack and the deer, but there seems to be a lot mistery around this local famous deer.
Jay quote "Anyone ever get the feeling that these celebrity hunters just can't get their picture taken without properly placing their endorsed products (TC and UnderArmour cannot be missed!). I suppose I would do the same if I was in their shoes."
Jay,
I've often wondered when we would see these TV guys covered up in patches on their camo and bow/guns like NASCAR.
Then they could spend 10 minutes after every kill thanking their sponsors....
We get some big bucks in ontario, maybe not whopping antlers, but body size wise. And lets face it, you can't eat antler.
Here in Indiana, the hunting has been slow but has paid off. Due to a late corn harvest this year, we did not really see very many deer. But I was able to tag a NICE 8-pointer. My trail cam has also collected lots of pictures of GOOD bucks in the past month or so. I have an old neighbor who seems to tag a big buck every year, and has always hunted in Indiana. If you have been watching this sigt lately, you will notice that quite a few nice bucks have been taken here this year, not to mention some real monsters. I really like the hunting here and probably will never go anywhere else for whitetails.
Here's my quick scouting tip for those of you who don't think you can hunt a new area successfully -- make a couple phone calls. If you're going to an area with any timber, contact the closest appropriate FORESTRY office. Note that I didn't say wildlife biologist. Especially if it's federal land you're looking at, the foresters are more likely to have actually put boots on the ground where you intend to go. And I think we're at a point where more foresters are hunters than wildlife biologists. I'm assuming that Oklahoma would have rangeland or prairie specialists -- check with them.
Thank you Mr. Bestul! Glad to see Oklahoma finally get a little recognition, as there are plenty of big bucks taken here every year. View my profile photos for a glimpse of two nice Okie bucks taken this rifle season.
Nice buck, what caliber is that rifle?
if TC or UA paid for me to kill a deer like that, i would probably do the same thing. nice deer.
Even though I have about as good a deer hunting as anyplace in by backyard, I always wanted to try deer hunting sup in Canada, Seems like the ones you see pics of/read stories about are some real monsters in just body size alone.
Now not many people here about east TN. I guess because its really know for being one of the hardest places in the United States to kill both deer and turkey because of thickness of the woods. TN is really the place that you can go all year and maybe see only 10 deer. It wasn't until last year that I got my chance at a monster buck. I don't know if any of you heard about the big TVA ash spill in kingston, TN, but I was hunting straight across from it. In November of last year, first day of Muzzelloader, a huge 9 pointer came running in to about 20 yards. Green score 140. I know that this is probably the biggest deer that I will ever kill in TN. What really sucks is that december was the last time I would ever get to hunt there because TVA bought everyone near the spill out. I guess it was really only fate that after 11 years of hunting the same spot, only a month till the last day of ever getting to hunt there this monster buck walks in. If you want to see some pics or trail cam videos e-mail me at zlopez11@gmail.com.
One must wonder if the "tall brush" in the distant background of the picture is actually a tall fence.
I wouldn't be surprised if the giant buck in the picture had been little more than a handfed pet for years on someone's tall fence private game ranch.
The buck is too big, too fat and too clean to be a wild buck in wintertime snow-and-ice USA. Likewise, the "hunter" looks far too pretty, far too clean, far too not-tired-at-all (and his advertising slogans are also nauseating) and just too-plain-fake for me to believe his "hunt" was anything more than a "farce."
Have any of us who ever spent time in the wilds getting cold, getting dirty, getting sleep deprived, getting tired, and finally getting--if we're lucky--our game-- ever looked like the guy in the picture? Come on.
Contrast the picture above with the genuine no-sh*t hunting picture of F&S's David E. Petzal and his (realistic sized) buck in Kanasas. (Btw, I don't know Petzal and I'm not a F&S writer or advertiser.) Petzal looks frozen, tired, dirty, happy, but also nearly wiped out. His buck looks like a genuine wild animal that met its end because of Petzal's skill and marksmanship. None of this is the way things look in the the picture above at all.
I think the only "hunt" that took place here was when the walking billboard advertisement in the picture looked for his baggage and his rental car keys at the airport when he arrived in-state. I suspect everything else about his so-called "hunt" was staged from beginning to end.
TWD
Absolutely, TW. Anyone that kills a bigger deer than you cheated.
there are big bucks everywhere!
I agree with all the comments about the "Celebrity hunters" but I must point out that Oklahoma is also a "Midwest State"
yhe last time I looked a a map .
Heh Heh
Some great deer come from the delta in Arkansas also. Check out the pic of this one killed on public land on Thanksgiving afternoon. One lucky guy whoever he is. http://www.arkansashunting.net/showthread.php?s=8cb5ea893e8f632487a7e275.... Has been some awesome deer killed around here this year.
Nolan, no you can't eat the horns but you can stir the stew with them.
That's a heck of a buck. Congrats on a fine hunt.
OH, love the show to.
Jeeze, people get so jealous. Being a professional hunter grants you certain privileges. Just like working in a restaurant can earn you free lunches, those guys get to go great places because it's their business. Get over it. Would you throw a couple logos in your pictures if it was what put food on your family's table? Remember please, it is your passion/pastime, and it is their JOB. You will never measure up, so quit being jealous.
Hey if it make their living I don't care. If I were younger I would try to get one of those gigs.
It amazes me that when a great is killed anyware but up in the norhtern states how it gets belittled. I just completed a trip to Louisiana and took a great sothern whitetail. Seen many BC scoreable bucks harvested. This is all on a 1200 acre pulp wood track surrounded bu thousands more acres of pines.I grew up in Iowa and hunted feedlot deer that roamed around grain feilds. I moved to Oklahoma and had to learn how to hunt all over. The hunting in eastern Oklahoma and western Arkansas is real in the woods experiance. Rough terrian and nature feed whitetail. In my area bucks with BC/PY class are more common every season. Follow up on the ODWC website and see how many 150"+ buck are harvested on public land. 200" class have came off pulic land NOT high fence. Congrats on the deer. P.S. Any one up to the challange of packing in 1-2 miles to a deer stand on 54K of public land Kiamichi Mtns let me know.
I think it's also a harvest. Right? http://www.simplyrest.com
Hello, I love hunting too.
T.W. Ya Think??? I agree 100%
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