


June 15, 2009
Merwin: Weigh-In on Saltwater Licenses
By John Merwin
Saltwater fishing licenses--or the lack of them--are still a hot-button issue around the Northeast this summer. The recently renewed federal Magnuson-Stevens Act essentially mandated that coastal states without such licenses create them or else. Otherwise, the feds will start a mandatory licensing system starting in 2010. But will saltwater licensing be a boon or boondoggle?
Most coastal states already have such licensing systems. The coastal New England states, along with New York and New Jersey, do not, and saltwater licenses have long been fiercely resisted by anglers there. State legislatures in Connecticut and Rhode Island, for example, have taken up licensing bills with oddly little fanfare. There may in fact be licensing requirements newly in place in some areas by the time you read this.
Saltwater licensing is going to happen. The feds have made it a done deal. It’s now just a matter of how the remaining hold-out states work things out and when. And I think this is a good thing, but only if the state licensing fees are put back into the resource. I would love to see more marine-patrol officers, for example, in the areas where I chase bluefish and stripers spring and fall--generally meaning Maine to Montauk. Poaching, including the keeping of short stripers, is rampant.
But what say you? Should the oceans be angling’s last free frontier, accessible to any and all anglers without any fees? Or should you have to pay to play, just as millions of freshwater anglers do via state licensing systems?
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John, I'll be the first to post and agree that SW licenses could be a good thing, if as you say the proceeds go where they need to go.
At the same time, New Jersey will gouge you any way they possibly can. It'll start out at $5 and go towards marine science, and in five years, it'll be $75 with the money going everywhere except where it's supposed to. Our FW licenses and trout stamps go up annually and for what I don't know. The state knows you want to fish and they've got you by the short hairs. They raise prices because they can and you'll pay.
It's a sad fact, and while I'm pro license, I'll never support it in NJ because it will become another way for the state to hose you.
What exactly is the argument against saltwater licenses?
How is it fair when fresh water anglers need licenses?
Why can't coastal states just have a single license that covers both fresh and salt water?
That all being said, it is important to put strong provisions in any such bill to make it difficult to raise fees and impossible to use license fee money to close state wide budget gaps caused by all the social welfare programs that our politicians love oh so much here in the northeast.
Ken,
I think there is a lot more state money tied up in freshwater. Stocking, maintaining public access points/parks, boat ramps, etc.
Just another way for big brother to put their hand in your pocket
In that fantasy world in my head, we wouldn't need a license for anything. But here in the real world where we actually live, I have to agree that salt water shouldn't get a break when fresh & hunting have to pay.
Many fresh water anglers probabaly will never wet a line in saltwater.There is no reason an angler that fishes his entire life on freshwater should bear the burden for salt water anglers.
As long as the fee/tax gets placed towards salt water expenditures, and resources and is alloted mostly for salt water anglers then I see no reason to resist the license.
What gets my goat, is the fee one has to pay to park/launch a boat in National Parks or State owned property.
Be forewarned;there will many more fees/taxes that local governments will try to unload on the public at large,hence,the sin tax.
If you’re off shore over 3 miles, what can they say isn’t that international waters!!
Somebody has too much time on there hands I say!
Although I would love to fish for free... the money I pay for a license is something that goes to a good cause. It goes to regulation and purchasing more land for me to hunt. So, the money is going to a good cause so I have no problem in purchasing licenses.
Clay-
first off, I'm pretty sure US territorial waters extend a great deal further 3 miles.
second off, are you suggesting that just because an ecosystem is a certain number of miles off shore it doesn't need any protection? It seems to me that a school of stripers a few hundred yards off shore is just as susceptible to overfishing as a school of tuna 100 miles out.
Federal waters begin at 3 miles in the Atlantic and Pacific, 9 in the Gulf. International waters start 200 miles out I believe in the oceans.
Here in NY I pay about $50 every year for a sportsmen license.
This license allows me to hunt or fish for just about any species in the state.
I am happy to pay this fee every year because NY state law assures me that this money goes exclusively towards conserving the ecosystems I harvest my game from and towards buying up new land so that my kids and grandkids will have somewhere to hunt and fish.
As long as my money goes towards these causes, and not towards closing gaps in the general welfare budget, I will pay my $50 every fall with a smile on my face and with happy thoughts of my great grandchildren in my head.
how many hunters and anglers agree with me?
joe-
thanks for the information
I don't think you should need a saltwater license. There's something about the ocean that feels like anybody should be able to wet a line there without answering to anyone. I'm for more money going into preserving/maintaining the areas we fish, and governing the regulations. But I don't think anyone should need a piece of paper to cast a plug from a beach. I'd rather see the money come from someplace else.
Hey, Rick!
As regards your point, if preservation/management/enforcement/access and so on are needed, and a saltwater license is not desirable, where does the money come from?
Otherwise, good to hear from you, and hope all's well. Nice striper photo today, too. You seem to be having a good time down there, at least I hope so!
I don't have an answer about where to get the money from, although I'll work on it and admit that it's necessary. I'm just opposed to the theory in principle of having to file paperwork to bring a rod to the beach. It's not like freshwater. The water moves, the fish move, no one owns it, and no one (in my humble opinion) should issue licenses granting the right to use the resource.
Thanks and yes I am. Enjoyed the blog. Interesting topic any way you slice it.
In reality and not theory, conservation is crucial and pricey. I am in favor of a saltwater license. Just make it simple and affordable.
Wow, Ken. I thought NY was expensive. My Florida sportsman's license is up to about $100.
joe is right. in new jersey i am almost positive that it would end up b eing a seperate licesne from the freshwater license and just like the license fees and everything else it would be a money maker for the state. the license is a good idea on paper but the aplication would just be more money donations to the state. last year in order to buy a shotgun, freshwater fishing, and bowhunting license, rifle permit, muzzleloader license, and 4 total zone permits (since in nj you have to buy a license and then buy a permit for the zone to hunt in) it cost me over $200 to hunt and fish in my own state. it cost me half that much to hunt in maine for 2 weeks. and you can't tell me all that is going into restocking or habitat because you dont see wild birds hardly at all anymore.
Joe and jersey pig:
(Please remember you called yourself that first. I'm a bad guy but not bad enough to do that to you.)
Keep in mind that an increase in license sales for any particular state--including an increase created by a saltwater license--will increase that's state's share of federal Wallop-Breaux funds, a federal grant pool derived from excise taxes on fishing gear and apportioned to the states each year by the USFWS. States theoretically will be prevented from diverting license-sales dollars into a general fund because they would then have to forfeit that federal aid. When Mitt Romney was Massachusetts' governor, he learned that lesson the hard way. I blogged about that in particular last January. Here's the link:
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2009/01/merwin-states-vs-spo...
To Mr. Cermele: I thought it was 12 miles off all our "coasts".
I liked the "one price for fresh/salt" if it's kept REASONABLE !.
I do not live near the ocean and do not completely understand the reasons for or against saltwater licenses but I can tell you this. I have to license my boat, motor, trailer, canoe, kayak, truck, dog, buy a fishing license, buy a hunting license, I purchased out of state license this year alone for CO, AZ, WV and PA. Throw in trout stamps, national forest stamps and what ever the heck stamp I've just purchased and I'm all licensed out. I can't remember the last time I did not release a fish unharmed. Don't get me wrong. I do not mind contributing to the cause but come on. If I have to pay to fish off the beach then everyone should pay who swims in the ocean.
North Carolina recently (and unreported, as near as I can figure) did away with a law allowing anyone to fish without a license (freshwater, too) so long as they were fishing with bait and in their home county. I'm not sure how that applied to trout, but for much of the state it was a great exemption, I think.
It's a gigantic crock of you know what. The fees won't help anything other than discourage the honest hard working angler from pursuing something that would be relaxing and pleasurable. And to think that it's going to apply to everyone...nope. Go out on a charter boat, which doesn't need to be licensed, and you don't need a license. Commercial fishermen get a pass, they pay for a commercial license, and get to kill as much bi-catch as possible. But the Surf Fisherman, and the Sportsman who goes out one to two days a month / year, gets another TAX (it's claimed to be a fee, but let's be realistic) so that they can do what was free for thousands of years. I've never seen fish killed by the thousands a day by recreational fishermen, but it's the normal for the commercial fisherman. Yet everyone points to the recreational fisherman as the source of the problem, instead of pulling their heads out of the sand and actually looking at the problem head on.
I'm buying my license to fish several times over here in Taxachusetts, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and any other state I visit that I plan to fish. But to have to buy a second license for each state just because I want to fish from shore of the state I am in at the time is another sign of Governmental Extortion.
I forgot, If you are in a different water than where you put in, you'll need a license from that state also under this new licensing system. So put in a boat and fish out of Point Judith, and you need a license for Connecticut and Massachusetts along with Rhode Island if you go too far east or west. Another way to stick it to the average sportsman.
In Alabama you have to have a saltwater lic.all the way to the to the head of the bay which includes several fresh water rivers .This license has increased up to around thirty bucks.What am i getting in return where are the boat ramps and fish hatcheries etc.
Alabamaoutlaw
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John, I'll be the first to post and agree that SW licenses could be a good thing, if as you say the proceeds go where they need to go.
At the same time, New Jersey will gouge you any way they possibly can. It'll start out at $5 and go towards marine science, and in five years, it'll be $75 with the money going everywhere except where it's supposed to. Our FW licenses and trout stamps go up annually and for what I don't know. The state knows you want to fish and they've got you by the short hairs. They raise prices because they can and you'll pay.
It's a sad fact, and while I'm pro license, I'll never support it in NJ because it will become another way for the state to hose you.
What exactly is the argument against saltwater licenses?
How is it fair when fresh water anglers need licenses?
Why can't coastal states just have a single license that covers both fresh and salt water?
That all being said, it is important to put strong provisions in any such bill to make it difficult to raise fees and impossible to use license fee money to close state wide budget gaps caused by all the social welfare programs that our politicians love oh so much here in the northeast.
Here in NY I pay about $50 every year for a sportsmen license.
This license allows me to hunt or fish for just about any species in the state.
I am happy to pay this fee every year because NY state law assures me that this money goes exclusively towards conserving the ecosystems I harvest my game from and towards buying up new land so that my kids and grandkids will have somewhere to hunt and fish.
As long as my money goes towards these causes, and not towards closing gaps in the general welfare budget, I will pay my $50 every fall with a smile on my face and with happy thoughts of my great grandchildren in my head.
how many hunters and anglers agree with me?
If you’re off shore over 3 miles, what can they say isn’t that international waters!!
Somebody has too much time on there hands I say!
Clay-
first off, I'm pretty sure US territorial waters extend a great deal further 3 miles.
second off, are you suggesting that just because an ecosystem is a certain number of miles off shore it doesn't need any protection? It seems to me that a school of stripers a few hundred yards off shore is just as susceptible to overfishing as a school of tuna 100 miles out.
Hey, Rick!
As regards your point, if preservation/management/enforcement/access and so on are needed, and a saltwater license is not desirable, where does the money come from?
Otherwise, good to hear from you, and hope all's well. Nice striper photo today, too. You seem to be having a good time down there, at least I hope so!
I do not live near the ocean and do not completely understand the reasons for or against saltwater licenses but I can tell you this. I have to license my boat, motor, trailer, canoe, kayak, truck, dog, buy a fishing license, buy a hunting license, I purchased out of state license this year alone for CO, AZ, WV and PA. Throw in trout stamps, national forest stamps and what ever the heck stamp I've just purchased and I'm all licensed out. I can't remember the last time I did not release a fish unharmed. Don't get me wrong. I do not mind contributing to the cause but come on. If I have to pay to fish off the beach then everyone should pay who swims in the ocean.
Ken,
I think there is a lot more state money tied up in freshwater. Stocking, maintaining public access points/parks, boat ramps, etc.
Just another way for big brother to put their hand in your pocket
In that fantasy world in my head, we wouldn't need a license for anything. But here in the real world where we actually live, I have to agree that salt water shouldn't get a break when fresh & hunting have to pay.
Many fresh water anglers probabaly will never wet a line in saltwater.There is no reason an angler that fishes his entire life on freshwater should bear the burden for salt water anglers.
As long as the fee/tax gets placed towards salt water expenditures, and resources and is alloted mostly for salt water anglers then I see no reason to resist the license.
What gets my goat, is the fee one has to pay to park/launch a boat in National Parks or State owned property.
Be forewarned;there will many more fees/taxes that local governments will try to unload on the public at large,hence,the sin tax.
Although I would love to fish for free... the money I pay for a license is something that goes to a good cause. It goes to regulation and purchasing more land for me to hunt. So, the money is going to a good cause so I have no problem in purchasing licenses.
Federal waters begin at 3 miles in the Atlantic and Pacific, 9 in the Gulf. International waters start 200 miles out I believe in the oceans.
joe-
thanks for the information
I don't think you should need a saltwater license. There's something about the ocean that feels like anybody should be able to wet a line there without answering to anyone. I'm for more money going into preserving/maintaining the areas we fish, and governing the regulations. But I don't think anyone should need a piece of paper to cast a plug from a beach. I'd rather see the money come from someplace else.
I don't have an answer about where to get the money from, although I'll work on it and admit that it's necessary. I'm just opposed to the theory in principle of having to file paperwork to bring a rod to the beach. It's not like freshwater. The water moves, the fish move, no one owns it, and no one (in my humble opinion) should issue licenses granting the right to use the resource.
Thanks and yes I am. Enjoyed the blog. Interesting topic any way you slice it.
In reality and not theory, conservation is crucial and pricey. I am in favor of a saltwater license. Just make it simple and affordable.
Wow, Ken. I thought NY was expensive. My Florida sportsman's license is up to about $100.
joe is right. in new jersey i am almost positive that it would end up b eing a seperate licesne from the freshwater license and just like the license fees and everything else it would be a money maker for the state. the license is a good idea on paper but the aplication would just be more money donations to the state. last year in order to buy a shotgun, freshwater fishing, and bowhunting license, rifle permit, muzzleloader license, and 4 total zone permits (since in nj you have to buy a license and then buy a permit for the zone to hunt in) it cost me over $200 to hunt and fish in my own state. it cost me half that much to hunt in maine for 2 weeks. and you can't tell me all that is going into restocking or habitat because you dont see wild birds hardly at all anymore.
Joe and jersey pig:
(Please remember you called yourself that first. I'm a bad guy but not bad enough to do that to you.)
Keep in mind that an increase in license sales for any particular state--including an increase created by a saltwater license--will increase that's state's share of federal Wallop-Breaux funds, a federal grant pool derived from excise taxes on fishing gear and apportioned to the states each year by the USFWS. States theoretically will be prevented from diverting license-sales dollars into a general fund because they would then have to forfeit that federal aid. When Mitt Romney was Massachusetts' governor, he learned that lesson the hard way. I blogged about that in particular last January. Here's the link:
http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2009/01/merwin-states-vs-spo...
To Mr. Cermele: I thought it was 12 miles off all our "coasts".
I liked the "one price for fresh/salt" if it's kept REASONABLE !.
North Carolina recently (and unreported, as near as I can figure) did away with a law allowing anyone to fish without a license (freshwater, too) so long as they were fishing with bait and in their home county. I'm not sure how that applied to trout, but for much of the state it was a great exemption, I think.
It's a gigantic crock of you know what. The fees won't help anything other than discourage the honest hard working angler from pursuing something that would be relaxing and pleasurable. And to think that it's going to apply to everyone...nope. Go out on a charter boat, which doesn't need to be licensed, and you don't need a license. Commercial fishermen get a pass, they pay for a commercial license, and get to kill as much bi-catch as possible. But the Surf Fisherman, and the Sportsman who goes out one to two days a month / year, gets another TAX (it's claimed to be a fee, but let's be realistic) so that they can do what was free for thousands of years. I've never seen fish killed by the thousands a day by recreational fishermen, but it's the normal for the commercial fisherman. Yet everyone points to the recreational fisherman as the source of the problem, instead of pulling their heads out of the sand and actually looking at the problem head on.
I'm buying my license to fish several times over here in Taxachusetts, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and any other state I visit that I plan to fish. But to have to buy a second license for each state just because I want to fish from shore of the state I am in at the time is another sign of Governmental Extortion.
I forgot, If you are in a different water than where you put in, you'll need a license from that state also under this new licensing system. So put in a boat and fish out of Point Judith, and you need a license for Connecticut and Massachusetts along with Rhode Island if you go too far east or west. Another way to stick it to the average sportsman.
In Alabama you have to have a saltwater lic.all the way to the to the head of the bay which includes several fresh water rivers .This license has increased up to around thirty bucks.What am i getting in return where are the boat ramps and fish hatcheries etc.
Alabamaoutlaw
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