


March 05, 2010
Fly Fishing Without a Net
By Kirk Deeter
Are you a net person or not? A lot of guides I know think using a net for landing fish is harmful to trout. It rubs off their slimy protective skin coating. Then again... what's worse for the fish? Fumbling and bumbling around trying to grab it by the tail? Or scooping it up with a net, and gently releasing it in short order? When I guide, I use a net, with rubber mesh. People want to land the fish they hook. They don't want to watch me punt a 20-incher by grabbing the leader. I know that.
But when I fish by myself, the old net stays in the truck more often than not. It isn't so much a matter of conscience for me, rather, I find the ultimate connection to a wild fish happens when I bring it to my hand... slide my fingers to the fly... maybe pat the little feller (like this greenback cutthroat) on the head... and pop the hook out of his mouth, without the fish ever leaving the water. To me, that's landing a fish, and a true test of my fish fighting skills. Of course, I've lost more than a few big fish by not using a net. But that's a trade I'll make.
Would you?
Deeter
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Mid summer fish exhaustion comes to mind for me...I bring the net, land them as quick as possible, also I don't go undergunned either trying to land a 20" fish on a 2wt. If it's managable, I will land them by hand and release quickly. I also try not to lift the fish out of the water with the net any more than necessary.
I carry a net but more often than not I don't use it. I only net fish that I want to photograph, I guess. I've gotten pretty diligent about smashing my barbs over the years and that makes releasing fish a breeze - a net is rarely necessary.
one caveat - I definitely carry a net when fishing the great lakes tribs for steelhead. those fish are unmanageable without a net.
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Evan!
I bring a net to lakes and big waters, but usually I leave it at home. Ive had it hang on branches and rocks only to have it snap back into my legs or back. And for the most part, Im not going to have to try and land any trout over 20" out of the waters Im on. Has anyone tried the fold-up nets? I always thought they seemed to gimmicky.
I limit the crap that I carry and the net is the first to go. I usually race up and down the rivers and leave everything except the stuff that is essential.
Ketchum Release tool when I can. Doesn't work for all flies, but once you get comfortable with it, it's great.
I never carry a net. Yes i've lost a few because of this. Oh well.
So many of my fish manage to release themselves. I gave my trout net away, but carry a Lippa for big fish. It is awkward at times (a spring action would help). I do want to make and would use a steelhead net.
No net for me 90% of the time. I too practice long-distance catch and release:)
I am a solid net man. I have a fancy little catch and release net that is not only functional but beautiful. Nets shorten the fight and keep my hands off the fish.
If you have a floating net it's easy to net a fish and release it barely touching the fish or taking it out of the water.
I have also fished streams where nets are required.
due to college I find myself too poor to purchase a net, and as a newer fly fisherman have none lying around. Therefore I go no net whther I like it or not.
I always carry my net, but whether I use it or not depends on whether it's a photo/keeper fish, the odds my whole sleeve will end up soaked in frigid water if I don't, etc. But I don't believe fabric C&R nets do enough harm to make it a concern.
nice pic
i usually keep a net handy just in case i get a really big one.
When I'm fishing for native brookies, I don't use my net unless I'm positive that I'm keeping the fish.
Face it, even while practicing catch and release, ours is a blood sport - a certain portion of the fish we catch are going to die, even if we don't want them to.
That said, when my intention is to release fish unharmed (sometimes I catch-and-fillet), I do what it takes to accomplish that. To that end, I don't use a net because I haven't found anything that works better than barbless hooks and a hook releaser that I make out of heavy gauge stainless wire. A quick pop on the releaser pulls out the hook, and I never touch the fish.
i fish mainly for pike and run single barbless as mush as possible and alot of the time you dont need a net if you have a good pair of pliers, i keep the net/cradle in the boat though just in case a fish is hooked deeply and i need to bring it into the boat or subdue it
It hurts me to see someone land a trout by grabbing it dropping it and fumbling with it and then release. I know the fish will die in a few hours.
I carry one, but I don't always use it. I think unless you are truly skilled, ala Mr. Deeter, you usually end up doing a lot more harm trying to handle fish to release.
What is the straight skinny, are the rubber nets really that much more fish friendly? If so, why doesn't someone sell them (just the bags) as a replacement for current not so fish friendly nets? Many people don't want an entire new net, just a new "net". There you go, another freeby marketing idea from Wags.
Hey Woodstock, big THANK YOU for being so honest and logical. It is a blood sport, at least for the fish!!Sometimes a fish is going to die, and sometimes cause I want to eat it! That level of common sense is not always prevelant in fly fishing cirlces. A plus for you sir!!
I often ask that question just as I'm all geared up. I find that if I'm chasing brooks or hitting the streams in Rocky Mountain National Park,I'll leave it. I fish can e rods most often and since 75% of the time we're on a tailwater in Colorado or fighting the The Fork, I'll throw the big net on. Stupid as it sounds, I do carry the superstitious dilemma that if I leave that truck without the net, I'm almost positive to lose a trophy out there.
Using a net when with a client works for me. #1. Bringing the fish to the client is easier. #2. I actually cradle the fish in the net by leaving the net submerged while capturing the fish. #3. It is easier to point things out to a client while teaching them about the finer points of a fish, but still keeping it in the water. #4. Less lose of fish #5
easier to stage fish for a photo op. #6. I do like to admire them while they are in the water.
The net I carry is a light weight long handled mesh net with very fine holes. I find the fish thrashes less when I keep them submerged in the net. They calm down quickly.
when I fish alone I don't carry a net.
i think you are being ethical either way as there are good comments going both ways. i do and don't use a net and it is usually a last second decision depending on the situation.
The only thing more fun than hooking a big trout, is gloving a big trout. Its like cating the fish twice. Grabbing a great lakes steelie by the tail after a battle is a blast, whether your gloving your own fish, or a buddies.
Fortunately or unfortunately a net has never worked out for me. I have purchased 3 nets in my 30+ years of fishing and each one has proven to be an interruption in my task at hand, "fishing". Between the bubbling through brush and getting hung up, to the constant thumping on my back I have found it easier to reach down with my trusty hemostat and give a little tug. I will say I'm sort of lucky when fishing for the steelhead on Lake Erie tribs, my buddy carries a net religiously and usually nets my fish. So I guess you could say I'm a "net bum" vs. a "fish bum".
When walking a river or stream I don't carry a net. I use hemostats to pop the fly out while the fish is in the water. However, when using my small pontoon boat, I almost alway use a net as it gives me the extra reach across the side of the pontoon so I don't have fish, line, boots, anchor line, etc, all wound together in front of me.
Several good questions have arised from this thread.
Do so called "catch and release" nets harm fish? We all know the knotted nylon nets can tear them up pretty good but the smooth knotless nets appear to be harmless.
Are nets better for the novice fisherperson who may not have experience handling a caught fish?
Are nets better for big fish or small fish? I've always considered smaller trout more fragile so I net them. If I can belly hold a larger fish in the water then I do not need a net.
If I could give you all five thumbs-ups on the comments, I would. What a great comment thread. Fly Talkers rock...
Trout, Steelhead i do not use a Net! JUst grab them by the Tail and Grip tight. Salmon is a little different story. Most of the salmon have to wide of a tail. SO i guess it depends on what im fishing for.
I believe most anglers are better off using a net on fish that don't come to hand easily. Think of it this way, how many guys do we see on the creeks reaching down and picking up a fish to remove the hook, then when the fish starts to squirm, the guy drops it, then has to pick it up again, then drops it in the water again... You see where I'm going with this? Something tells me more slime will be removed doing this, compared to using a net.
I know a lot of guys are thinking "why not grab the tippet, then slide your fingers down to the fly and pull it out without grabbing the fish?". I watched a guy try this last year during the green drake hatch. As he grabbed the tippet, he told me "I never touch the fish, only the fly". As soon as that 10" brown started flopping around the tippet broke, leaving a #10 catskill style green drake in the fishes mouth. I'm guessing that fish was not able to eat any bugs with that giant bushy dry fly in it's mouth, and was certainly worse off. In this case, using a net would have been safer for the fish.
When I use a net I never take the fish out of the water. Once I net the fish, I reach into the water, pull out the barbless hook, then sink the net back down into the water, and let the fish swim away.
I use a rubber net, since rubber can't absorb the slime from a fish like other materials.
I started out fishing by watching my grandfather bass fish and just begging to hold the fish when he caught it. For some reason I love that personal contact, and I love taking the hook out. That started when I was 6. For the past year or two I have been trying to work on my 'guiding' by taking family and friends out fishing. I took my two brothers out on some tailwater one afternoon, and didn't bring a net out of habit, but also because the dam was letting a lot of water through and most of the larger would have been flushed further down the river...then I found a really deep, slow pocket behind a huge boulder. I set my little brother up there and he hooked the largest brook trout I have ever seen in that water. He fought the fish in and out of a strong current for 20 minutes, just to get it close to the bank, where I tried to grab it with my hands. That is when the fish found a second wind, shot through my legs, wrapped the tippet around my right leg and and snapped it. My little brother still hasn't forgiven me. Needless to say, I always carry a net with me now, especially when I am taking others fishing.
I lost a nice 16 inch brown trout because i didn't have a net. I do not have a net and plan on buying one in the future. I think it would be easier landing a fish especially while fly fishing so you don't have to reel in so much line.
They aren't cheap, but the fold up net that fits in a holster (can't think of the original, and it is a good one,) can sure come in handy, and is out of the way until you need it. Having to grab a fish too harshly if you are a releaser, or drop it in the rocks, or release it too soon, which often causes death is eliminated with a decent net..You can let the fish revive itself, and then let it swim out of the net.
And the connection with nature thing not using a net?...got to wonder about those fly guys sometimes. :)
Hello Deeter, I too have been guiding since 1975. I totally understand your concept for your clients on why you use a net for them and for there fish of a lifetime. I myself do not use a net as I am fearful of the possible affects on the fish, that being said however if I would use a net I would use a rubber net as you mentioned in your above story. I think that it mostly comes down to how you handle the fish once you do have him in hand, whether that be in a net or in your hand. I have seen far too many shows on TV that show them admiring the fish for what in my opinion is far too long out of the water. On my shows we only lifted the fish out of the water for 1 photo and released him immediately back into the water. My clients know that I don't use a net and they are OK with it. Now I've been at this for over a quarter of a century so I have a very strong client base as you can imagine. I do on occasion loose a large fish from time to time that would have made a great photo, however, the actual catching and fighting had already been done and in most cases there have been pictures taken of the fight or the attempted landing of the fish at the time. I haven't really thought about it but I could probably count on my hands and toes the total number of fish that I have lost by not using a net. The more I land by hand the better I become. At any rate whatever works for you is fine as long as you take care and treat the catch in a manner that doesn't harm him and gets him back in the water as quickly as possible. Thanks for the question and Tight Lines to you Deeter.
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If I could give you all five thumbs-ups on the comments, I would. What a great comment thread. Fly Talkers rock...
I carry one, but I don't always use it. I think unless you are truly skilled, ala Mr. Deeter, you usually end up doing a lot more harm trying to handle fish to release.
What is the straight skinny, are the rubber nets really that much more fish friendly? If so, why doesn't someone sell them (just the bags) as a replacement for current not so fish friendly nets? Many people don't want an entire new net, just a new "net". There you go, another freeby marketing idea from Wags.
Hey Woodstock, big THANK YOU for being so honest and logical. It is a blood sport, at least for the fish!!Sometimes a fish is going to die, and sometimes cause I want to eat it! That level of common sense is not always prevelant in fly fishing cirlces. A plus for you sir!!
So many of my fish manage to release themselves. I gave my trout net away, but carry a Lippa for big fish. It is awkward at times (a spring action would help). I do want to make and would use a steelhead net.
i think you are being ethical either way as there are good comments going both ways. i do and don't use a net and it is usually a last second decision depending on the situation.
I am a solid net man. I have a fancy little catch and release net that is not only functional but beautiful. Nets shorten the fight and keep my hands off the fish.
If you have a floating net it's easy to net a fish and release it barely touching the fish or taking it out of the water.
I have also fished streams where nets are required.
Several good questions have arised from this thread.
Do so called "catch and release" nets harm fish? We all know the knotted nylon nets can tear them up pretty good but the smooth knotless nets appear to be harmless.
Are nets better for the novice fisherperson who may not have experience handling a caught fish?
Are nets better for big fish or small fish? I've always considered smaller trout more fragile so I net them. If I can belly hold a larger fish in the water then I do not need a net.
I carry a net but more often than not I don't use it. I only net fish that I want to photograph, I guess. I've gotten pretty diligent about smashing my barbs over the years and that makes releasing fish a breeze - a net is rarely necessary.
one caveat - I definitely carry a net when fishing the great lakes tribs for steelhead. those fish are unmanageable without a net.
yrs-
Evan!
Mid summer fish exhaustion comes to mind for me...I bring the net, land them as quick as possible, also I don't go undergunned either trying to land a 20" fish on a 2wt. If it's managable, I will land them by hand and release quickly. I also try not to lift the fish out of the water with the net any more than necessary.
Face it, even while practicing catch and release, ours is a blood sport - a certain portion of the fish we catch are going to die, even if we don't want them to.
That said, when my intention is to release fish unharmed (sometimes I catch-and-fillet), I do what it takes to accomplish that. To that end, I don't use a net because I haven't found anything that works better than barbless hooks and a hook releaser that I make out of heavy gauge stainless wire. A quick pop on the releaser pulls out the hook, and I never touch the fish.
I never carry a net. Yes i've lost a few because of this. Oh well.
Using a net when with a client works for me. #1. Bringing the fish to the client is easier. #2. I actually cradle the fish in the net by leaving the net submerged while capturing the fish. #3. It is easier to point things out to a client while teaching them about the finer points of a fish, but still keeping it in the water. #4. Less lose of fish #5
easier to stage fish for a photo op. #6. I do like to admire them while they are in the water.
The net I carry is a light weight long handled mesh net with very fine holes. I find the fish thrashes less when I keep them submerged in the net. They calm down quickly.
when I fish alone I don't carry a net.
Ketchum Release tool when I can. Doesn't work for all flies, but once you get comfortable with it, it's great.
The only thing more fun than hooking a big trout, is gloving a big trout. Its like cating the fish twice. Grabbing a great lakes steelie by the tail after a battle is a blast, whether your gloving your own fish, or a buddies.
When I'm fishing for native brookies, I don't use my net unless I'm positive that I'm keeping the fish.
I always carry my net, but whether I use it or not depends on whether it's a photo/keeper fish, the odds my whole sleeve will end up soaked in frigid water if I don't, etc. But I don't believe fabric C&R nets do enough harm to make it a concern.
It hurts me to see someone land a trout by grabbing it dropping it and fumbling with it and then release. I know the fish will die in a few hours.
I limit the crap that I carry and the net is the first to go. I usually race up and down the rivers and leave everything except the stuff that is essential.
i fish mainly for pike and run single barbless as mush as possible and alot of the time you dont need a net if you have a good pair of pliers, i keep the net/cradle in the boat though just in case a fish is hooked deeply and i need to bring it into the boat or subdue it
No net for me 90% of the time. I too practice long-distance catch and release:)
due to college I find myself too poor to purchase a net, and as a newer fly fisherman have none lying around. Therefore I go no net whther I like it or not.
Fortunately or unfortunately a net has never worked out for me. I have purchased 3 nets in my 30+ years of fishing and each one has proven to be an interruption in my task at hand, "fishing". Between the bubbling through brush and getting hung up, to the constant thumping on my back I have found it easier to reach down with my trusty hemostat and give a little tug. I will say I'm sort of lucky when fishing for the steelhead on Lake Erie tribs, my buddy carries a net religiously and usually nets my fish. So I guess you could say I'm a "net bum" vs. a "fish bum".
I often ask that question just as I'm all geared up. I find that if I'm chasing brooks or hitting the streams in Rocky Mountain National Park,I'll leave it. I fish can e rods most often and since 75% of the time we're on a tailwater in Colorado or fighting the The Fork, I'll throw the big net on. Stupid as it sounds, I do carry the superstitious dilemma that if I leave that truck without the net, I'm almost positive to lose a trophy out there.
I bring a net to lakes and big waters, but usually I leave it at home. Ive had it hang on branches and rocks only to have it snap back into my legs or back. And for the most part, Im not going to have to try and land any trout over 20" out of the waters Im on. Has anyone tried the fold-up nets? I always thought they seemed to gimmicky.
I believe most anglers are better off using a net on fish that don't come to hand easily. Think of it this way, how many guys do we see on the creeks reaching down and picking up a fish to remove the hook, then when the fish starts to squirm, the guy drops it, then has to pick it up again, then drops it in the water again... You see where I'm going with this? Something tells me more slime will be removed doing this, compared to using a net.
I know a lot of guys are thinking "why not grab the tippet, then slide your fingers down to the fly and pull it out without grabbing the fish?". I watched a guy try this last year during the green drake hatch. As he grabbed the tippet, he told me "I never touch the fish, only the fly". As soon as that 10" brown started flopping around the tippet broke, leaving a #10 catskill style green drake in the fishes mouth. I'm guessing that fish was not able to eat any bugs with that giant bushy dry fly in it's mouth, and was certainly worse off. In this case, using a net would have been safer for the fish.
When I use a net I never take the fish out of the water. Once I net the fish, I reach into the water, pull out the barbless hook, then sink the net back down into the water, and let the fish swim away.
I use a rubber net, since rubber can't absorb the slime from a fish like other materials.
When walking a river or stream I don't carry a net. I use hemostats to pop the fly out while the fish is in the water. However, when using my small pontoon boat, I almost alway use a net as it gives me the extra reach across the side of the pontoon so I don't have fish, line, boots, anchor line, etc, all wound together in front of me.
nice pic
i usually keep a net handy just in case i get a really big one.
Hello Deeter, I too have been guiding since 1975. I totally understand your concept for your clients on why you use a net for them and for there fish of a lifetime. I myself do not use a net as I am fearful of the possible affects on the fish, that being said however if I would use a net I would use a rubber net as you mentioned in your above story. I think that it mostly comes down to how you handle the fish once you do have him in hand, whether that be in a net or in your hand. I have seen far too many shows on TV that show them admiring the fish for what in my opinion is far too long out of the water. On my shows we only lifted the fish out of the water for 1 photo and released him immediately back into the water. My clients know that I don't use a net and they are OK with it. Now I've been at this for over a quarter of a century so I have a very strong client base as you can imagine. I do on occasion loose a large fish from time to time that would have made a great photo, however, the actual catching and fighting had already been done and in most cases there have been pictures taken of the fight or the attempted landing of the fish at the time. I haven't really thought about it but I could probably count on my hands and toes the total number of fish that I have lost by not using a net. The more I land by hand the better I become. At any rate whatever works for you is fine as long as you take care and treat the catch in a manner that doesn't harm him and gets him back in the water as quickly as possible. Thanks for the question and Tight Lines to you Deeter.
I lost a nice 16 inch brown trout because i didn't have a net. I do not have a net and plan on buying one in the future. I think it would be easier landing a fish especially while fly fishing so you don't have to reel in so much line.
Trout, Steelhead i do not use a Net! JUst grab them by the Tail and Grip tight. Salmon is a little different story. Most of the salmon have to wide of a tail. SO i guess it depends on what im fishing for.
I started out fishing by watching my grandfather bass fish and just begging to hold the fish when he caught it. For some reason I love that personal contact, and I love taking the hook out. That started when I was 6. For the past year or two I have been trying to work on my 'guiding' by taking family and friends out fishing. I took my two brothers out on some tailwater one afternoon, and didn't bring a net out of habit, but also because the dam was letting a lot of water through and most of the larger would have been flushed further down the river...then I found a really deep, slow pocket behind a huge boulder. I set my little brother up there and he hooked the largest brook trout I have ever seen in that water. He fought the fish in and out of a strong current for 20 minutes, just to get it close to the bank, where I tried to grab it with my hands. That is when the fish found a second wind, shot through my legs, wrapped the tippet around my right leg and and snapped it. My little brother still hasn't forgiven me. Needless to say, I always carry a net with me now, especially when I am taking others fishing.
They aren't cheap, but the fold up net that fits in a holster (can't think of the original, and it is a good one,) can sure come in handy, and is out of the way until you need it. Having to grab a fish too harshly if you are a releaser, or drop it in the rocks, or release it too soon, which often causes death is eliminated with a decent net..You can let the fish revive itself, and then let it swim out of the net.
And the connection with nature thing not using a net?...got to wonder about those fly guys sometimes. :)
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