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October 12, 2011

How Not To Write Rot and Evil

By David E. Petzal

By David E. Petzal

Having contributed to the rumor mill (in the name of fun and games), I enjoy bulls**t as much as the next person, and it depresses me to see the fine art of creating nonsense brought low. One of the worst examples of this is an active e-mail with the dramatic heading “IS THIS TRUE?????” that puts forth the following:

“For the last several years a company called ‘The Freedom Group’ has been buying up American gun and ammunition manufacturers.

“Some of the companies are:

“Bushmaster, Martin, DPMS, Dakota Arms, L.C. Smith, Parker, AAC, Barnes Bullets, EOTAC, INTC.”

The writer is in trouble immediately, because the first rule of writing bulls**t is, get your facts right. You want people to believe you. And whoever wrote this misspelled Marlin and was unaware that EOTAC makes clothing, not guns.

Then comes:

“Some people worry that Freedom Group is going to control most of the firearms companies in the United States. Of course if you control the manufacturers you can decide not to sell to civilians, or you can raise the prices to ridiculous levels, or can make the supply of guns and ammo scarce...all sorts of log jams. What a perfect way to control American guns.”

First, who are “some people?” The writer of this screed and his dog? The NRA? Michelle Bachmann? Who?

If you want to control most of the companies that make something, you have to get clearance from, I believe, the Federal Trade Commission, whose job it is to prevent monopolies, and if anyone tried to corral all the gun production in the U.S., we would hear about it.

Of the companies mentioned here (the ones that actually make guns) all but Remington and Marlin turn out small numbers of firearms, and are an odd choice to start the Great Gun Choke Off. Of course, this may be part of the plot--you start small and work up to Ruger and Smith & Wesson.

As for this being a perfect way to choke off guns and ammo, I can’t think of a more ineffectual one. If you’re looking for a much better, more efficient method, elect Barrack Hussein Obama to a second term where he will have nothing to lose. Then you’ll see some logjams.

“If you do some digging you’ll see ‘The Freedom Group’ is owned by a Wall Street investment company called ‘Cerberus Capital Management’...Investor George Soros owns Cerberus.”

I did some digging, and found that the Freedom Group is indeed owned by Cerberus, but that Cerberus is headed by one Stephen Feinberg, who is a shooter, and that George Soros is nowhere listed on the company’s roster of officers, as is required by law. (Freedom Group, by the way, is run by George Kollitedes, whom I know personally, and who is a hardcore hunter and shooter.) No mention of Cerberus is made on Soros’ website. I have no doubt that Soros is an evil liberal anti-gun pro-Clinton one-world billionaire troublemaker, but he does not have a hand in Cerberus.

“Please pass this on to all your freedom loving friends. This needs to come out and quickly. Why have we not heard about this on the mainstream media? I think this would be Big news. The absence of big media coverage on this important subject should be Big news to you too.”

The reasons you haven’t heard about it on the mainstream media are: If this were an actual conspiracy to put a logjam in the gun biz, the mainstream media would keep it quiet so the infernal work could proceed without freedom-loving Americans putting up a great howl. What is more likely is that, even in its debilitated state, the mass media know bullsh**t when they smell it, and are unwilling to lose what little credibility they have by publishing nonsense like this.

Of course, if this e-mail is a joke, then I apologize for not getting it. But the writer should do what I do and come clean. I, and all freedom-loving Americans deserve no less.

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from TM wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

They got to you too Dave!!!???

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Move over Gore, Barrack, Yasser, its Nobel time for Dave !

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from Bob81 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

"As for this being a perfect way to choke off guns and ammo, I can’t think of a more ineffectual one. If you’re looking for a much better, more efficient method, elect Barrack Hussein Obama to a second term "

Well Dave, I agree with you on one thing: You really do "enjoy bulls**t as much as the next person." If there is anything Obama has proven in the last two+ years, its that he doesn't really give a $hit about increasing gun-laws.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Heh. Reminds me of a your typical herbal supplement ad. "Brand X. *Some People* swear by it!"

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from rock rat wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

I sure hope this isn't one of your humor pieces too obtuse for general audiences.

Cause replacing one nutty conspiracy theory about guns with another is too cute by half.

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from 03sprg wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

The agency that must approve a consolidation of the majority of an industry and determine if it violates the SHERMAN ANTI-TRUST ACT is the U.S. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S ANTI-TRUST DIVISION. May GOD Help Us!!!!

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

To Bob81: I believe that if you speak to gun dealers in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, you'll get a different opinion.

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from Oryx wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Bob81, our president is in his first term. Considering his plans to run for the office again, and the current term-limit of two (2) for the presidency, I believe what our host is saying is that should he be elected again, and not having to worry about courting the neanderthalic masses that carry guns and have votes to cast, he would be free to show his true inclinations towards the personal ownership of weapons/constitutional right/last, best defense against tyrants.

(How's that for a sentence?)

BHO seems interested in leaving office with a "legacy". How about the heroic status he would gain with the antis if he were the president that "finally took on the evil gun companies and won."

Tin foil hats aside, this needs to be addressed and acted upon next November.

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from Bob81 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Dave, I live a long ways from Texas and Arizona. If I have overlooked a nefarious plot by Obama to outlaw guns in those states, I would appreciate being educated. Any chance you could post a link?

To Oryx,
We can guess what Obama might intend to do in his second term (if he is to get one) based on his public statements and his record as president so far, or we can guess based on pure speculation. I would recommend going with the first becuase I have seen very little evidence to indicate otherwise.

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Rat crawl back in you holr on backlash!

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

hole*

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Dave, don't you just love it especially how sweet the slam is when somebody says something about a subject you yourself having firsthand knowledge

If you’re going to write Moose Squeeze, at least make it sound plausible. LOL!

One more thing Dave, that competition shooter you watched (Avoiding Sighting-In Follies). Did he have any clue to what he was doing or just a Greenhorn?

By the way, Fast & Furious, people are starting to catch on what some of us knew back in the 80's & 90's.

“The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense.”
-Tom Clancy

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Easy Moishe, giving rat a complex. crack me up!

As for the Border,

What did Clint Eastwood say to the General describing how things were going? Cluster Somethinger'rather he called it (movie Heart Break Ridge)

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from JohnR wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

The Bulls**t writer was probably referring to EOTech the maker of reflex sights.
As for the "Holy Crap the world's going to end if we don't do such and such" e-mails, I delete'em.
Some people just send that crap so they can feel important.

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from RangerDansDrink... wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Didn't I read in a press release (yep, just checked I did) that Marlin was bought a few years ago (2007) by Remington and that the Remington closed the original plant in (New Haven Conn.) and moved Marlin production into the Remington factory. Marlin owned H&R and was in turn bought by Remington which in turn is owned by Freedom Group. (which I don't think is also Freedom Arms, just coincidence).

So this story is partially true (except the Soros part and the choking off the manufacturers/ammo) There has been some serious consolidation in the traditional firearms industry. Which in a lot of industries makes good business sense. I feel sorry for the guys in New Haven who lost their jobs. They made a great product for many years.

I like and own H&R and Remington and Marlin and have NO issues with their quality. But a little diversity and competition an an industry, tends to make a better product.

I will stop blathering now.

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from 2lb.test wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

I think what you guys are saying about Operation Fast & Furious is that its probably politically motivated sting operation trying to prove that the Mexican Cartels are acquiring "assault weapons" from American gun stores. Right? Now I'm not denying the existence of straw purchasers but why in the hell would the cartel go through all that trouble and cost (retail price+markup from the straw purchaser) when one of the factions in the cartel is made up of ex-Mexican special forces (their called the Zetas, look it up). If they've got ex special forces and rampant corruption in their police force armed by our government don't you think they can get "assault weapons" for a lot cheaper than American retail prices.
I believe the justice department was trying to create justification for a Clinton-type "assault weapons" ban, which Obama has publicly stated he supports. I put assault weapons in parentheses because i detest that term. Any weapon can be used to assault and kill someone regardless of magazine capacity.

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

2lb.test

Fast and furious should be called "fast and felonius" (not my name for it,saw it used online somewhere)

Those of us with funcional brains realize that the cartles do not get military grade,full-auto rifles at U.S.- Mexican border gun shops. why would they when they can get a full auto M-16/M-4,or A-K 47/74 for less money from any of the corrupt soldiers/law enforcement/politicians of any of the Central and South American countries? Or from their partners in the cocaine smuggling "buisness" in Columbia?

Internal BATFE e-mails have shown the connection of ongoing operations to gaining support for more gun control-read Sharyl Atkissons stories on the BATFE fiasco.....
http://www.cbsnews.com/sharylattkisson?tag=contentMain;contentBody

The term "assault weapon" as currently used, was coined by Josh Sungarman, of the Violence Policy Center in 1988-he believed that it would be easier to gain public support for an "assault weapons" ban than it would be for a handgun ban,which was one of the VPC's original goals.

"The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun — can only increase that chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons." — Josh Sugarman, 1988, Violence Policy Center.

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

*functional*

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Maybe they meant to use Martin,as in Martin compound bows,or Martin guitars, as a lead in for the next dire warning about some entity taking control of all wood used to make compound bows,or guitars?
(I don't even know for sure if Martin still makes compound bows,but I know they used to, as I own one.)

Maybe the e-amil ties in to the "thermite charges blew up the twin towers",or the government did it,it was a "false flag operation" people.

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from jim in nc wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Grumpy, as usual, but on target. And altho I don't want to dispell your grouchiness (it produces good copy), or contradict your dislike of the strip, didn't you like last Sunday's "Non Sequitur," about congress?

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from shane wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

L.C. Smith - leading purveyor of rugged, high capacity defense arms. That's a hoot.

I would like to know when the gun-runner nonsense started. Could it be another "Obama problem" that started before he was elected or in office?

I also wonder who our real enemy here is. Is it any one administration, or is it the BATFE, no matter the administration?

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from 1uglymutha wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

apparently a lot of people have never heard of"operation fast and furious" which was initiated by president obama's justice department. someone should post a link. i would but i don't know how. better yet, join the nra. they will keep you abreast of all bho's illegal doings as it relates to firearms control.

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from AlaskanExile wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

The whole "Fast & Furious" situation will eventually come to light. Anti's needed an "incident" to say "see, gun freedom is bad!" it doesn't have to make sense. AP will run with anything that supports their cause.

Recent gunplay in Anchorage monday morning has 2 dead, 2 in hospital, so far everyone involved is a felon, and was armed in a bar. Gun laws are still not working, maybe it's the latitude...

For some reason each of these felons had no "alleged" respect whatsoever for the fact that it was illegal for them to carry (even handle) guns or carry them concealed in a bar.
Oh, they also forgot that it was illegal to shoot people without a pretty good reason.

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from z41 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

DP - you are confusing with this email. Leave the humor to the late night guys. Makes me think of your post about Obama loading flash ammo which I took for real and wasted time trying to learn more. Life is too hectic I work with people who live in a dream world; "give me the facts, mam', just the facts." the Pastor

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

To Z41: The late night guys are not funny; no one is funny. The last funny person I can recall is Richard Pryor, and he is gone. I would stick to the facts, but they will make you suicidal.

I was going to do a post on the New York City Police Department arming its personnel with hand grenades, since they couldn't hit anything with their handguns, but then Commissioner Kelly announced that the NYPD has the capability to shoot down aircraft, and how do you top that? Or equal it?

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from Oryx wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Only problem with the NYPD and shooting down aircraft: in training they deployed a total of 45 FIM-92 Stingers, and only managed to hit the drone aircraft once...in the antenna. The drone later sued the city and won a settlement of 4.5 million.

Turns out they were under a lot of stress. The NYPD responded by switching to a higher-capacity, semi-automatic surface-air-system.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

This is obviously another one for the "You must be shitting me, Private Pyle!" file. Yeah right, the gun companies are consolidating so they can STOP selling product? LMAO! The capital group has obviously bought gun manufacturing resources due to some expectation of sales growth and future profits. Otherwise, they would have bought Fannie and Freddie.

For the NYPD: Shame on you and your training for not being able to hit a bull in the butt with a bass fiddle.

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from Zermoid wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

What else do you expect from the NYPD when they have to expend almost 100 rds to bring down an unarmed man? Expect them to show any better marksmanship with a missile? You got to be joking there!

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from MReeder wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

I've got a buddy who's one of the lead investigators on Issa's committee and they're pretty much convinced that the whole Fast and Furious business was intended to justify previous, ridiculous assertions by Hilary at State and Holder at Justice that Mexican drug cartels were getting guns from American dealers. That finding would have been used to justify additional gun control efforts, whether by legislation or executive order. If you examine the actual program and how it was conducted, the idea that it was a Trojan horse for gun control makes sense, because nothing else about that program did. That was also my view of it from the start.
It also dovetails with Obama's executive order requiring gun dealers in Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico to report purchases of two or more or more semi-automatic rifles by the same person in a five-day span. The ATF itself says that's going to generate about 18,000 reports a year.
There are a whole bunch of things you can do through a bureacracy or by executive order that don't require pushing legislation through congress. If Obama went the legislative route he would have had a lot of Democrats in certain states screaming bloody hell because it would be one more obstacle to re-election. Obama has to take that into consideration because it would effect his own re-election chances; a restraint that would not exist if he won a second term.
As for that email DP got, it's a good lesson about trusting anything you get by electronic mail or on the internet. Unless you absolutely trust the source or can easily verify the information, it's best to take anything like that with a grain of salt until you check it out yourself. Even if you do trust the source, it's still better to check it out yourself. Everybody makes mistakes and it doesn't help anyone's credibility to pass along bogus information.

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from MReeder wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Forgot to mention something else Bob81 might want to consider. The Obama administration is still, as far as I know, blocking the importation of about 100,000 surplus M1 Garands and carbines from South Korea that by law should be made available for sale to U.S. civilians, and has been doing so since 2009. The rationale the ATF is using to block the sale could be applied to any semi-auto rifle sold in the U.S. and the import ban is in direct violation of the written law. I know Issa's committee is also looking into this but the F&F business is the major focus right now.
However, the import ban is just another example of how you can carry out an anti-gun agenda under the radar if you control the bureaucracy and are not hesitant to use it.

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from mike55 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

To Alaskanexile,

My wife and I were shocked to see Anchorage and also Springfield, IL on America's 'Top 5 Most Dangerous Cities' list recently. Guess there's something to it, after bringing up that incident?

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Johnny Carson was the last great late night guy.

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Buckhtr, you are correct...sir

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from buckstopper wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

to Bob81,
the NRA is anything but stupid, they back one Sen. Harry Reid, who as majority leader of the Senate would have to allow an anti-firearm bill to be voted on, he ain't gonna do it and keep getting NRA backing. but put our current commander-in-theif back in charge he can do it the clinton way by executive order.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

To Bob81 ....
Just wait until the last days of B.O.'s one term presidency and see what happens to 2nd amendments rights.
If he wins re-election,God help us all because The U.N. Small Arms Trade Treaty will become a certainty. Even if Congress votes against it, once a treaty is signed, it STAYS on the books forever and can be resurrected years later by a far left liberal congress or another nuts hanging-to-the-left president. He and the donkey voiced SecState don't need Congress' permission to sign the treaty.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Whoa, Dave.....
Didja get the one alleging that Osama Bin Laden was never in the compound cuz he died in the mountains several years ago, and the whole stunt was a theatrical staging so B.O. would gain ground in the polls? Makes you wonder.. There sure was a lot of publicity all of a sudden for Seal Team 6 (Deavgru?)which formerly was never mentioned. It's worth a read if you get it.

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from jcarlin wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

For the first time I saw the headline of this article and thought "That must be a product of Mr. Petzal." Your fine balance of refinement and rough edges has become an obvious signature. Keep writing.

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from damo450 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Dave, I live in Arizona and could not agree more to your above response to bob81. This is still an ultra gun friendly state, but we must remain vigilant. People are starting to notice the pressure from the Federal Dumba$^es and it aint no good!

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from Tigerbeetle wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Just heard on the radio today, a statement by "Our Bum in Chief" referenced the F&F debacle about a month or 6 weeks before our lying Attorney General told Congress he had just recently heard about it. It seems a CNN reporter has committed editorial suicide by accidentally truthfully putting the horse before the cart. That, along with the new "contributor to the Solyndra" scandal revealed today by Fox News may really turn the heat up in Washington, DC. No one in treasury or energy wants to take any credit for believing the stimulus money to Solyndra was anything more than pouring money down a rat hole.

They may not need steam heat in the White House this winter. There will be enough steam to go with the hot air already.

The ATF has been run by anti-firearms/second amendment politicians since Clinton got in office. Bush didn't get rid of them. Hillary is in league with the UN and Obama's WH to get the small arms treaty pushed through. The war is just begun, again!

And I saw that ridiculous e-mail probably 6 months ago for the first time. Where was Snoops when we needed it?

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from Trapper Vic wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

You can bash President Obama and the liberals all day long but the truth is We have not lost any 2nd amendment rights under him or anyone else.
there would be too much h*ll to pay. No politician in they're right mind will ever touch our 2nd amendment rights.NRA and others keep this at the top of the b*llsh*t list to keep the money coming in. Why can't the Republican party come up with a credible canidate? The republican cantidates and the debates are the worst dog and pony show i've seen in a long time. Get it together or Obama will be back!

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from jcarlin wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Trapper, I'm of 2 minds about the NRA (which I think I'm overdue, but intend to renew my membership. I will say that if the organization serves no other function, it certainly serves it's number one function of reminding everyone that there would possibly be said hell to pay.

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from jcarlin wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

"its" that is.

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from Oryx wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Jcarlin, you were right the first time. It's possessive, not plural or contracted.

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from RS08 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

trapper vic, not sure how old you are but you ever hear of president bill clinton and the "assault"weapons ban he and the dems passed in 1994? that was the law of the land until president george bush let it lapse?yes hell was paid but it still happened and clinton got elected to a second term.this concludes todays condensed history lesson on 2nd amendment and why the nra is constantly beating the drum.

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from RS08 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

trapper vic, not sure how old you are but you ever hear of president bill clinton and the "assault"weapons ban he and the dems passed in 1994? that was the law of the land until president george bush let it lapse?yes hell was paid but it still happened and clinton got elected to a second term.this concludes todays condensed history lesson on 2nd amendment and why the nra is constantly beating the drum.

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from RS08 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

trapper vic, not sure how old you are but you ever hear of president bill clinton and the "assault"weapons ban he and the dems passed in 1994? that was the law of the land until president george bush let it lapse?yes hell was paid but it still happened and clinton got elected to a second term.this concludes todays condensed history lesson on 2nd amendment and why the nra is constantly beating the drum.

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from RS08 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

trapper vic, not sure how old you are but you ever hear of president bill clinton and the "assault"weapons ban he and the dems passed in 1994? that was the law of the land until president george bush let it lapse?yes hell was paid but it still happened and clinton got elected to a second term.this concludes todays condensed history lesson on 2nd amendment and why the nra is constantly beating the drum.

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from RS08 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

oops,note to self, don't push submit button more than 1 time.

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from Trapper Vic wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

To jcarlin; you have a point, If we could eliminate the lobyist in Washington DC, most of the problems on this country would disappear. To RSo8, I'm 64 and remember clinton but I still had an AR amoung my arsenal. I've never seen the need for a full automatic. Especially at ammo prices today.

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from firedog11 wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

Bob 81 check out President Jughead and his clown Posse with their attempt to destroy the 2nd Amendment using the so called fast and furious gun selling op.

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from ChicagoGunSmith wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

Dave, I want to start by saying your humor is more comprehensible by text, rather than on TV.

As a small business owner I get very frustrated when I hear about mergers and acquisitions. Normally consolidation isn't good for the consumer. Also as an authorized distributor of DPMS products, I was a bit taken a back when I discovered DPMS was a subsidiary of Freedom Group. But I can tell you from experience that there is a gunchoke. However that gunchoke is caused by supply and demand and not any worse than the other manufacturers I work with such as Daniel Defense and Rock River Arms.

I can see logic behind the suspicion, but if there is a master plan, it has not yet been evoked.

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from RS08 wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

trapper vic: glad you've had an ar in your collection. but clintons ban wasn't about full autos. it was about the rifle you had in your home. i have one to and while living in california that great state passed a law saying anyone who had a so called "assault" weapon must register it with the state. not! and our current president campaigned on reinstating the assault weapons ban of 94, re-elect him to a second term and find out if he's worried about hell to pay.

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from deedidit wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Re comments on assault weapons--of course any weapon can kill someone but the ? is the mag. capacity. How many bullets does 1 need to shoot a deer, bear, bunny, bird...? A mag holding 9 should be sufficient no? If someone has 20+ rounds in a mag & is unstable, obviously those bullets can find their way into more humans than if a reload of a new mag is required-at which time hand to hand combat would hopefully take down the assailant. This is simple logic. No one is trying to take away your daggone right to arms. Your tools to the firearm manufacturers. How about some realistic responsible mags out there. For goodness sakes a little research on the # of people killed in mass shootings in the past 10 years might shock you. What if it were your child at Gabby Giffords meet and greet who was killed before she even reached puberty? Get real people.

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from Oryx wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Bob81, our president is in his first term. Considering his plans to run for the office again, and the current term-limit of two (2) for the presidency, I believe what our host is saying is that should he be elected again, and not having to worry about courting the neanderthalic masses that carry guns and have votes to cast, he would be free to show his true inclinations towards the personal ownership of weapons/constitutional right/last, best defense against tyrants.

(How's that for a sentence?)

BHO seems interested in leaving office with a "legacy". How about the heroic status he would gain with the antis if he were the president that "finally took on the evil gun companies and won."

Tin foil hats aside, this needs to be addressed and acted upon next November.

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

To Bob81: I believe that if you speak to gun dealers in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, you'll get a different opinion.

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

To Z41: The late night guys are not funny; no one is funny. The last funny person I can recall is Richard Pryor, and he is gone. I would stick to the facts, but they will make you suicidal.

I was going to do a post on the New York City Police Department arming its personnel with hand grenades, since they couldn't hit anything with their handguns, but then Commissioner Kelly announced that the NYPD has the capability to shoot down aircraft, and how do you top that? Or equal it?

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

2lb.test

Fast and furious should be called "fast and felonius" (not my name for it,saw it used online somewhere)

Those of us with funcional brains realize that the cartles do not get military grade,full-auto rifles at U.S.- Mexican border gun shops. why would they when they can get a full auto M-16/M-4,or A-K 47/74 for less money from any of the corrupt soldiers/law enforcement/politicians of any of the Central and South American countries? Or from their partners in the cocaine smuggling "buisness" in Columbia?

Internal BATFE e-mails have shown the connection of ongoing operations to gaining support for more gun control-read Sharyl Atkissons stories on the BATFE fiasco.....
http://www.cbsnews.com/sharylattkisson?tag=contentMain;contentBody

The term "assault weapon" as currently used, was coined by Josh Sungarman, of the Violence Policy Center in 1988-he believed that it would be easier to gain public support for an "assault weapons" ban than it would be for a handgun ban,which was one of the VPC's original goals.

"The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun — can only increase that chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons." — Josh Sugarman, 1988, Violence Policy Center.

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from 2lb.test wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

I think what you guys are saying about Operation Fast & Furious is that its probably politically motivated sting operation trying to prove that the Mexican Cartels are acquiring "assault weapons" from American gun stores. Right? Now I'm not denying the existence of straw purchasers but why in the hell would the cartel go through all that trouble and cost (retail price+markup from the straw purchaser) when one of the factions in the cartel is made up of ex-Mexican special forces (their called the Zetas, look it up). If they've got ex special forces and rampant corruption in their police force armed by our government don't you think they can get "assault weapons" for a lot cheaper than American retail prices.
I believe the justice department was trying to create justification for a Clinton-type "assault weapons" ban, which Obama has publicly stated he supports. I put assault weapons in parentheses because i detest that term. Any weapon can be used to assault and kill someone regardless of magazine capacity.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

apparently a lot of people have never heard of"operation fast and furious" which was initiated by president obama's justice department. someone should post a link. i would but i don't know how. better yet, join the nra. they will keep you abreast of all bho's illegal doings as it relates to firearms control.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Johnny Carson was the last great late night guy.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Dave, don't you just love it especially how sweet the slam is when somebody says something about a subject you yourself having firsthand knowledge

If you’re going to write Moose Squeeze, at least make it sound plausible. LOL!

One more thing Dave, that competition shooter you watched (Avoiding Sighting-In Follies). Did he have any clue to what he was doing or just a Greenhorn?

By the way, Fast & Furious, people are starting to catch on what some of us knew back in the 80's & 90's.

“The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense.”
-Tom Clancy

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Easy Moishe, giving rat a complex. crack me up!

As for the Border,

What did Clint Eastwood say to the General describing how things were going? Cluster Somethinger'rather he called it (movie Heart Break Ridge)

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from RangerDansDrink... wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Didn't I read in a press release (yep, just checked I did) that Marlin was bought a few years ago (2007) by Remington and that the Remington closed the original plant in (New Haven Conn.) and moved Marlin production into the Remington factory. Marlin owned H&R and was in turn bought by Remington which in turn is owned by Freedom Group. (which I don't think is also Freedom Arms, just coincidence).

So this story is partially true (except the Soros part and the choking off the manufacturers/ammo) There has been some serious consolidation in the traditional firearms industry. Which in a lot of industries makes good business sense. I feel sorry for the guys in New Haven who lost their jobs. They made a great product for many years.

I like and own H&R and Remington and Marlin and have NO issues with their quality. But a little diversity and competition an an industry, tends to make a better product.

I will stop blathering now.

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from shane wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

L.C. Smith - leading purveyor of rugged, high capacity defense arms. That's a hoot.

I would like to know when the gun-runner nonsense started. Could it be another "Obama problem" that started before he was elected or in office?

I also wonder who our real enemy here is. Is it any one administration, or is it the BATFE, no matter the administration?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

This is obviously another one for the "You must be shitting me, Private Pyle!" file. Yeah right, the gun companies are consolidating so they can STOP selling product? LMAO! The capital group has obviously bought gun manufacturing resources due to some expectation of sales growth and future profits. Otherwise, they would have bought Fannie and Freddie.

For the NYPD: Shame on you and your training for not being able to hit a bull in the butt with a bass fiddle.

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Move over Gore, Barrack, Yasser, its Nobel time for Dave !

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from AlaskanExile wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

The whole "Fast & Furious" situation will eventually come to light. Anti's needed an "incident" to say "see, gun freedom is bad!" it doesn't have to make sense. AP will run with anything that supports their cause.

Recent gunplay in Anchorage monday morning has 2 dead, 2 in hospital, so far everyone involved is a felon, and was armed in a bar. Gun laws are still not working, maybe it's the latitude...

For some reason each of these felons had no "alleged" respect whatsoever for the fact that it was illegal for them to carry (even handle) guns or carry them concealed in a bar.
Oh, they also forgot that it was illegal to shoot people without a pretty good reason.

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from Oryx wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Only problem with the NYPD and shooting down aircraft: in training they deployed a total of 45 FIM-92 Stingers, and only managed to hit the drone aircraft once...in the antenna. The drone later sued the city and won a settlement of 4.5 million.

Turns out they were under a lot of stress. The NYPD responded by switching to a higher-capacity, semi-automatic surface-air-system.

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from Zermoid wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

What else do you expect from the NYPD when they have to expend almost 100 rds to bring down an unarmed man? Expect them to show any better marksmanship with a missile? You got to be joking there!

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from damo450 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Dave, I live in Arizona and could not agree more to your above response to bob81. This is still an ultra gun friendly state, but we must remain vigilant. People are starting to notice the pressure from the Federal Dumba$^es and it aint no good!

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from Tigerbeetle wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Just heard on the radio today, a statement by "Our Bum in Chief" referenced the F&F debacle about a month or 6 weeks before our lying Attorney General told Congress he had just recently heard about it. It seems a CNN reporter has committed editorial suicide by accidentally truthfully putting the horse before the cart. That, along with the new "contributor to the Solyndra" scandal revealed today by Fox News may really turn the heat up in Washington, DC. No one in treasury or energy wants to take any credit for believing the stimulus money to Solyndra was anything more than pouring money down a rat hole.

They may not need steam heat in the White House this winter. There will be enough steam to go with the hot air already.

The ATF has been run by anti-firearms/second amendment politicians since Clinton got in office. Bush didn't get rid of them. Hillary is in league with the UN and Obama's WH to get the small arms treaty pushed through. The war is just begun, again!

And I saw that ridiculous e-mail probably 6 months ago for the first time. Where was Snoops when we needed it?

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from Trapper Vic wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

You can bash President Obama and the liberals all day long but the truth is We have not lost any 2nd amendment rights under him or anyone else.
there would be too much h*ll to pay. No politician in they're right mind will ever touch our 2nd amendment rights.NRA and others keep this at the top of the b*llsh*t list to keep the money coming in. Why can't the Republican party come up with a credible canidate? The republican cantidates and the debates are the worst dog and pony show i've seen in a long time. Get it together or Obama will be back!

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from TM wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

They got to you too Dave!!!???

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from 03sprg wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

The agency that must approve a consolidation of the majority of an industry and determine if it violates the SHERMAN ANTI-TRUST ACT is the U.S. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT'S ANTI-TRUST DIVISION. May GOD Help Us!!!!

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from JohnR wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

The Bulls**t writer was probably referring to EOTech the maker of reflex sights.
As for the "Holy Crap the world's going to end if we don't do such and such" e-mails, I delete'em.
Some people just send that crap so they can feel important.

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Maybe they meant to use Martin,as in Martin compound bows,or Martin guitars, as a lead in for the next dire warning about some entity taking control of all wood used to make compound bows,or guitars?
(I don't even know for sure if Martin still makes compound bows,but I know they used to, as I own one.)

Maybe the e-amil ties in to the "thermite charges blew up the twin towers",or the government did it,it was a "false flag operation" people.

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from MReeder wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

I've got a buddy who's one of the lead investigators on Issa's committee and they're pretty much convinced that the whole Fast and Furious business was intended to justify previous, ridiculous assertions by Hilary at State and Holder at Justice that Mexican drug cartels were getting guns from American dealers. That finding would have been used to justify additional gun control efforts, whether by legislation or executive order. If you examine the actual program and how it was conducted, the idea that it was a Trojan horse for gun control makes sense, because nothing else about that program did. That was also my view of it from the start.
It also dovetails with Obama's executive order requiring gun dealers in Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico to report purchases of two or more or more semi-automatic rifles by the same person in a five-day span. The ATF itself says that's going to generate about 18,000 reports a year.
There are a whole bunch of things you can do through a bureacracy or by executive order that don't require pushing legislation through congress. If Obama went the legislative route he would have had a lot of Democrats in certain states screaming bloody hell because it would be one more obstacle to re-election. Obama has to take that into consideration because it would effect his own re-election chances; a restraint that would not exist if he won a second term.
As for that email DP got, it's a good lesson about trusting anything you get by electronic mail or on the internet. Unless you absolutely trust the source or can easily verify the information, it's best to take anything like that with a grain of salt until you check it out yourself. Even if you do trust the source, it's still better to check it out yourself. Everybody makes mistakes and it doesn't help anyone's credibility to pass along bogus information.

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from MReeder wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Forgot to mention something else Bob81 might want to consider. The Obama administration is still, as far as I know, blocking the importation of about 100,000 surplus M1 Garands and carbines from South Korea that by law should be made available for sale to U.S. civilians, and has been doing so since 2009. The rationale the ATF is using to block the sale could be applied to any semi-auto rifle sold in the U.S. and the import ban is in direct violation of the written law. I know Issa's committee is also looking into this but the F&F business is the major focus right now.
However, the import ban is just another example of how you can carry out an anti-gun agenda under the radar if you control the bureaucracy and are not hesitant to use it.

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from buckstopper wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

to Bob81,
the NRA is anything but stupid, they back one Sen. Harry Reid, who as majority leader of the Senate would have to allow an anti-firearm bill to be voted on, he ain't gonna do it and keep getting NRA backing. but put our current commander-in-theif back in charge he can do it the clinton way by executive order.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Whoa, Dave.....
Didja get the one alleging that Osama Bin Laden was never in the compound cuz he died in the mountains several years ago, and the whole stunt was a theatrical staging so B.O. would gain ground in the polls? Makes you wonder.. There sure was a lot of publicity all of a sudden for Seal Team 6 (Deavgru?)which formerly was never mentioned. It's worth a read if you get it.

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from Oryx wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Jcarlin, you were right the first time. It's possessive, not plural or contracted.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Heh. Reminds me of a your typical herbal supplement ad. "Brand X. *Some People* swear by it!"

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Heh. Reminds me of a your typical herbal supplement ad. "Brand X. *Some People* swear by it!"

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from rock rat wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

I sure hope this isn't one of your humor pieces too obtuse for general audiences.

Cause replacing one nutty conspiracy theory about guns with another is too cute by half.

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

*functional*

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from jim in nc wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Grumpy, as usual, but on target. And altho I don't want to dispell your grouchiness (it produces good copy), or contradict your dislike of the strip, didn't you like last Sunday's "Non Sequitur," about congress?

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from mike55 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

To Alaskanexile,

My wife and I were shocked to see Anchorage and also Springfield, IL on America's 'Top 5 Most Dangerous Cities' list recently. Guess there's something to it, after bringing up that incident?

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Buckhtr, you are correct...sir

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from wingshooter54 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

To Bob81 ....
Just wait until the last days of B.O.'s one term presidency and see what happens to 2nd amendments rights.
If he wins re-election,God help us all because The U.N. Small Arms Trade Treaty will become a certainty. Even if Congress votes against it, once a treaty is signed, it STAYS on the books forever and can be resurrected years later by a far left liberal congress or another nuts hanging-to-the-left president. He and the donkey voiced SecState don't need Congress' permission to sign the treaty.

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from jcarlin wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

For the first time I saw the headline of this article and thought "That must be a product of Mr. Petzal." Your fine balance of refinement and rough edges has become an obvious signature. Keep writing.

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from jcarlin wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Trapper, I'm of 2 minds about the NRA (which I think I'm overdue, but intend to renew my membership. I will say that if the organization serves no other function, it certainly serves it's number one function of reminding everyone that there would possibly be said hell to pay.

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from jcarlin wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

"its" that is.

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from RS08 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

trapper vic, not sure how old you are but you ever hear of president bill clinton and the "assault"weapons ban he and the dems passed in 1994? that was the law of the land until president george bush let it lapse?yes hell was paid but it still happened and clinton got elected to a second term.this concludes todays condensed history lesson on 2nd amendment and why the nra is constantly beating the drum.

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from RS08 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

trapper vic, not sure how old you are but you ever hear of president bill clinton and the "assault"weapons ban he and the dems passed in 1994? that was the law of the land until president george bush let it lapse?yes hell was paid but it still happened and clinton got elected to a second term.this concludes todays condensed history lesson on 2nd amendment and why the nra is constantly beating the drum.

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from RS08 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

trapper vic, not sure how old you are but you ever hear of president bill clinton and the "assault"weapons ban he and the dems passed in 1994? that was the law of the land until president george bush let it lapse?yes hell was paid but it still happened and clinton got elected to a second term.this concludes todays condensed history lesson on 2nd amendment and why the nra is constantly beating the drum.

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from RS08 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

trapper vic, not sure how old you are but you ever hear of president bill clinton and the "assault"weapons ban he and the dems passed in 1994? that was the law of the land until president george bush let it lapse?yes hell was paid but it still happened and clinton got elected to a second term.this concludes todays condensed history lesson on 2nd amendment and why the nra is constantly beating the drum.

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from RS08 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

oops,note to self, don't push submit button more than 1 time.

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from Trapper Vic wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

To jcarlin; you have a point, If we could eliminate the lobyist in Washington DC, most of the problems on this country would disappear. To RSo8, I'm 64 and remember clinton but I still had an AR amoung my arsenal. I've never seen the need for a full automatic. Especially at ammo prices today.

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from firedog11 wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

Bob 81 check out President Jughead and his clown Posse with their attempt to destroy the 2nd Amendment using the so called fast and furious gun selling op.

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from ChicagoGunSmith wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

Dave, I want to start by saying your humor is more comprehensible by text, rather than on TV.

As a small business owner I get very frustrated when I hear about mergers and acquisitions. Normally consolidation isn't good for the consumer. Also as an authorized distributor of DPMS products, I was a bit taken a back when I discovered DPMS was a subsidiary of Freedom Group. But I can tell you from experience that there is a gunchoke. However that gunchoke is caused by supply and demand and not any worse than the other manufacturers I work with such as Daniel Defense and Rock River Arms.

I can see logic behind the suspicion, but if there is a master plan, it has not yet been evoked.

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from RS08 wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

trapper vic: glad you've had an ar in your collection. but clintons ban wasn't about full autos. it was about the rifle you had in your home. i have one to and while living in california that great state passed a law saying anyone who had a so called "assault" weapon must register it with the state. not! and our current president campaigned on reinstating the assault weapons ban of 94, re-elect him to a second term and find out if he's worried about hell to pay.

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from deedidit wrote 2 years 20 weeks ago

Re comments on assault weapons--of course any weapon can kill someone but the ? is the mag. capacity. How many bullets does 1 need to shoot a deer, bear, bunny, bird...? A mag holding 9 should be sufficient no? If someone has 20+ rounds in a mag & is unstable, obviously those bullets can find their way into more humans than if a reload of a new mag is required-at which time hand to hand combat would hopefully take down the assailant. This is simple logic. No one is trying to take away your daggone right to arms. Your tools to the firearm manufacturers. How about some realistic responsible mags out there. For goodness sakes a little research on the # of people killed in mass shootings in the past 10 years might shock you. What if it were your child at Gabby Giffords meet and greet who was killed before she even reached puberty? Get real people.

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

hole*

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from Bob81 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Dave, I live a long ways from Texas and Arizona. If I have overlooked a nefarious plot by Obama to outlaw guns in those states, I would appreciate being educated. Any chance you could post a link?

To Oryx,
We can guess what Obama might intend to do in his second term (if he is to get one) based on his public statements and his record as president so far, or we can guess based on pure speculation. I would recommend going with the first becuase I have seen very little evidence to indicate otherwise.

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from Jere Smith wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Rat crawl back in you holr on backlash!

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from z41 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

DP - you are confusing with this email. Leave the humor to the late night guys. Makes me think of your post about Obama loading flash ammo which I took for real and wasted time trying to learn more. Life is too hectic I work with people who live in a dream world; "give me the facts, mam', just the facts." the Pastor

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from Bob81 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

"As for this being a perfect way to choke off guns and ammo, I can’t think of a more ineffectual one. If you’re looking for a much better, more efficient method, elect Barrack Hussein Obama to a second term "

Well Dave, I agree with you on one thing: You really do "enjoy bulls**t as much as the next person." If there is anything Obama has proven in the last two+ years, its that he doesn't really give a $hit about increasing gun-laws.

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