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February 22, 2012

Rifle Review: Weatherby Vanguard Series 2

By David E. Petzal

Because of a calamitous case of human error, I did not get to review the Weatherby Series 2 Vanguard when it came out last year. So, making up for lost time, I can say that I’ve shot one in .308 at some length, and can state without fear of contradiction that it’s one of the best hunting rifles around at any price.

The Series 2 barreled action is made in Japan by Howa, as it always has been, but the stock is now made in the United States, and the rifles are assembled here. There’s a blued and a stainless version; the MSRP for the former is $489, and for the latter $200 more.

There are two principle changes to the rifle. First is the stock. Weatherby has scrapped the old, clubby stock for a new one that follows the lines of the original Mark V stock very closely, including the wonderful, slim pistol grip. Second is the trigger, which is now a true two-stage mechanism that is virtually perfect. No creep, no drag, dead-clean release, 3 ½ pounds every time, and if you even think of messing with it you’re nuts.

Howa has always turned out beautifully finished guns, but the Series 2 rifles I’ve handled have gone a step beyond that. They are literally flawless. The fit and finish are perfect. It’s the kind of work you see in rifles that come from custom gun makers. For a $500 factory rifle to exhibit this kind of work is amazing. The only other rifle on the market I can think of that’s in this league is the Tikka T3.

Weatherby guarantees that all the Series 2 Vanguards will shoot sub-MOA with Weatherby ammo or with premium ammo. This does not mean that it will shoot tiny groups with anything you shove into it. My rifle did only fair with most factory ammo (It shot a minute of angle with Federal 165-grain Trophy Bonded Tip loads.), but with handloads it was a new day.

With 165-grain Hornady WLR loads, the rifle averaged .995. With Sierra 150-grain Game King softpoints (these are hunting bullets, not match bullets) it averaged .580, with one spread going into .196, which nearly caused me to wet myself. Or maybe I did wet myself; I forget.

There are a number of rifles in this price range that shoot very well, but with the exception of the T-3 I can’t think of any that are as nicely made, or have a trigger that can match the one on the Series 2. If the shooting public catches on to how good a rifle this new Vanguard is, Series 2s will be as hard to find as service stations that sell gas for $1.50 a gallon.

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Wish we could persuade them to make a lefty version.

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from Harold wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I find it interesting that when Weatherby first came to my attention (circa 1970) they were the most expensive mass-produced rifles on the market. Now they are some of the least expensive, and from everything I've read, very excellent firearms indeed.

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from Proverbs wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Weatherby must be getting serious with all its triggers. Picked up a PA-459 in Skull from Cabelas over the weekend, and could hardly believe the trigger. It was far better than average for "tactical" shotguns (will be used for coyote in sagebrush cover), regardless of price.

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from vasportsman wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

My father-in-law has this gun in .30-06 and it truely is and amazing rifle, I sighted it in for him last season and it was almost a religous experience haha. Thanks Mr. Petzal!

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from fordman155 wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

The S2 Vanguard .257 Wby Mag I have shoots exceptional well for a low-priced rifle. From my handloaded 100gn Barnes TSX, 100gn Nosler Accubond, 117gn Hornady, 117gn Sierra and 120gn Hornady bullets the rifle produces sub-1" groups, the smallest being a 49" with the Barnes bullets. I grew up shooting all kinds of rifles with all sorts of good and not-so-good triggers. The 2-stage trigger on this rifle is the biggest improvement over the old Vanguard line (which was still a good rifle). The 3-position safety is great. If its too complicated for you, simply remember F is for firing and S is for not firing it. You can use the middle setting to cycle the action with no danger of the trigger functioning. I went a step further and put a desert tan Bell&Carlson Medalist stock with the anti-slip black spider webbing, which might not be needed to make the rifle into what it is (accuracy-wise) but I wanted something stronger than the original stock. Oddly enough, a few months later the Range Certified S2s came out. They're factory-fired Weatherby's that shot under a 1" group, have been bore sighted, and come on a (drum roll please) green Bell&Carlson Medalist stock with black spider webbing. You also get a signed target from Ed Weatherby stating the accuracy guarantee of that rifle.
Weatherby is going to sell A LOT of these S2s.

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from fordman155 wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Correction: the Nosler's are 110gn Accubond bullets, not 100gn as I incorrectly wrote. My S2 was making sub-1" groups @ 100yds even before I was done with powder work-ups on the 100gn TSXs. Great rifle---YESSSSSSSS!

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from Douglas wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal, any chance you could post the recipe you used with the Sierra gamekings?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

So I guess Ed Weatherby figured he could sell a whole bunch more $450 rifles than $1,500 rifles with a better margin!

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

To Douglas: I'm not supposed to give out complete handloads, but I can say that I used Winchester WLR primers and IMR 4320, and Winchester brass. I've seen very few .308s that wouldn't shoot well with 4320.

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from Scott Jones wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Dave,

Any timeline on a review of the new Ruger American?

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

The rifle is a plain lookin` good shooter; at a low price. What's not to like about it?

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from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I thought a stainless barrel was a blued barrel just not a chrome moly.

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from ishawooa wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I thinking mostly about Mark Vs but have you ever seen a Weatherby that you didn't like? Well maybe you didn't care for the .340 immediately after it split your eyebrow but that's a different topic. Be they old American, German, Japanese, or the very nice new Americans all are excellent pieces of weaponry. Frankly from across a small room these new Vanguards can easily be mistaken for a Mark V and apparently the same can be said for them at the range.

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from Tim Platt wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I am glad they figured out the trigger and did away with the Sub MOA distinction. At least it shows they are paying attention and fixing the problems people are experiencing.

Mine is pre MOA (new distinction) and when I had a local gunsmith do a trigger job it was wonderful but then I noticed the safety would not engage..... when he fixed that problem the trigger was back to its old creepy self. It is like running your fingernail across a chalk board. It still shoots about a .625" group @ 100 yards with .257 Weatherby factory ammo.

Wish I had the money for a new .308. I would buy the Winchester. HA! Is it just me or do other people not like the rubber inserts in their stock? They always seem to wear out or come unglued.

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from Tim Platt wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I got a rifle for $389 that shoots 5/8" groups at 3,500 fps and am complaining about it. I may have to step back and think about that for a minute.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

There is/wuz a line of Left Handed clothing with left handed zippers and buttons.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Ishawooa

Putting a nicer, distinctively Weatherby stock on a Vanguard still gets you a two-lug bolt with a 90+ degree lift and a gawd awful three-position thumb push safety to deal with. Some of the Vanguard Deluxe rifles have some mighty nice wood.

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from dave63go wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

$500, sounds like quite a deal for a top notch rifle. What calibers would you folks recommend to me for midwestern whitetail hunting, and maybe some day, a Colorado elk hunt? Something without too much kick, please.

Oh, and can someone explain why hand loads offer superior accuracy? Seems like the pros at the ammo makers would have their assembly lines tuned pretty well, to the point where doing it by hand would offer more downside than upside. Please educate me, much thanks on both fronts.

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from Bwana Hunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Well - Mr. Petzal, my hats off to you for initially expounding in video and then now with the above article on the super merits of the Weatherby Vanguard, now 2nd edition hunting rifle.

Not that any of the gun enthusiasts or readers here would notice my posts any more than other nimrods varied thoughts, but I've been gently trying to show to those that are looking for quality - to take a real close gander at this fine new Weatherby sporting arm.

So, the authority you bring to my seemingly empty reasonings is wind for the sails. I almost felt for awhile like I was manning the south wall of the Alamo all by myself..

Thanks for a another fine article on a great new improved hunting rifle - this time from Weatherby Arms. Keep em' coming.

Best/Bwana

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from Douglas wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Thanks for the info on what you used for powder, etc. I recently bought a $1200 made in America.308 that is fussy to an extreme. I use 150 gr gamekings and appreciate advice on good powder to use with them.
Maybe I'll just swap my rifle for a Weatherby.

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

To Scott Jones: Within the next week or so. I just finished shooting it.

To Dave 63go: Get a plain .270. As for the handloading question, I will be doing an entire post on it.

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from Mark .270 win wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Any thoughts on this rifle in .300 Weatherby Mag?

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from TCguy wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

As WA Mtnhunter pointed out the Vanguards have 90* bolt throw, which is fine on a bench in the summer, but trying to get a mitten out of the way of the scope when cycling the bolt can be a challenge. I looked hard at the Vanguard 1 and contemplated waiting for Vanguard 2, but I ended up going with the TC Venture in .308 instead. It is also MOA guaranteed, lighter than the weatherby, has a removable mag, and a good adjustable trigger. Plus it's made in the US and has a lifetime warranty. Didn't get a chance to shoot a deer this year, but it was very nice on the range.

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from fordman155 wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Mark .270 Win: The S2 as a 300 Wby Mag would be awsome. I have a circa 1995 Vanguard 300 Wby Mag with an S2 trigger. I got the trigger from a guy who likes the Timney triggers better than the 2-stage ones on the S2s. Handloaded 180gn Hornady's from that rifle before the new trigger shot 1.5" wide groups at 300yds from a bipod. I tested out some other handloads last week and the group was .96" @ 100yds and that was with two different powder loads. Also, my 300 Wby shoots better with a Sporter stock than it did with the original black synthetic stock.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Mark .270,
The only thing about the .300 Weatherby in this rifle that might be considered a drawback by some is barrel length. In theory, a .30 bore cartridge loading 84 to 90+ grains of propellant needs a 26 inch barrel to efficiently wring out all the velocity and minimize flash and flame. In the real world, it probably makes an insignificant difference aside from 40-50 fps MV. Accuracy might actually be better with the 24" tube. I'll let you know how mine works out.

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from jakenbake wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Dave,

If I remember correctly, you are also of the left-handed persuasion. Does it bother you shooting guns made for those folk who are wrong-handed? Do you even care at this point?

Thanks,
Jake

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from eweatherby wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Can't thank you enough Dave for all your kind comments. You know you have a real winner on your hands when Dave Petzal uses the word "perfect". Can't think of a finer compliment coming from anyone. I used the Series 2 last year on antelope and Mule deer. What a tack driver. For the money I don't think you can do much better in my humble opinion but then again I am biased.
Ed Weatherby

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from Drover1 wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Ooooo. I've been toying with the idea of picking up a new rifle before next hunting season – 25-06 probably – for antelope and open-country deer. Now I’m really tempted. Don’t tell my wife.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

@eweatherby

Ed,
As one of Weatherby's biggest fans, I have to ask why no southpaw models? I'm right handed, but just wanted to ask as some of my email pals and I were speculating about why not just today.

Mark V's rule and the rest drool!

WAM

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Dave, As mentioned here on earlier posts I got my hands on one of the first S 2's in 300 Wby. Mine has the 2.5-16X mdl 6500 elite Bushnell scope with Tally QR rings. It is no problem to get 3200 fps with Barnes 168 gr TTSX bullets and they are MOA accurate. Looks to me like a 26 inch barrel is not needed with modern powder. Last fall it smoked a nice whitetail 268 yds across a Missouri pasture. This will no doubt take care of any elk on the planet. The bolt throw does not bother me at all. The safety is a little stiff and needs a good shove to get it to the fire position. Honestly recoil from this rifle is not even close to the whack I get from my Remington 700 Classic in 350 Rem mag.

Dave63go, Hand loads are usually more accurate because your brass is fire formed to the rifles chamber. Also you can tailor your ammo to a particular rifle. For example my 300 has a 24 inch barrel therefore it makes sense to choose a powder like IMR4350 over something that is even slower burning like H1000. The very slow powders burn less completely in the shorter barrel and the result is a big muzzle blast. By trying several combinations of bullet, powder, primer and brass you can almost always come up with one or more loads that will beat factory ammo in accuracy. However, factory velocity is often tough to beat or even match.
BTW My testing indicates you can safely push a Barnes TTSX bullet faster than a same weight lead core bullet such as the Nosler partition. TTSX bullets have very high BC's that result in very flat trajectories.

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from john c. wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal,

Two questions:

1) Any idea why Weatherby persists in the practice of putting 24" barrels on non-magnum calibers?

2) What do you think of the carbine version of the S2? If I recall correctly, the carbine version comes equipped with a 20" #1 contour barrel, but utilizes the same stock as the standard S2.

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from Mark .270 win wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Del in KS, Fordman155 and WA Mtnhunter,

Thanks for the feedback on 34" versus 26" barrel for .300 Weatherby Magnum. I will have to evaluate caliber choice. I have a .270 win (my favorite) and 7 mm rem mag so not sure on next caliber, but like this rifle. Wanted a heavier caliber for elk.

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from Mark .270 win wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Sorry, 24" not 34" barrel!

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

To Jakenbake: I do shoot left-hand. I've been shooting right-hand guns for so long that it no longer really bothers me. You can get used to anything.

To John C: It's not just Weatherby; just about everyone uses 24-inch barrels on standard calibers and 26 inches on magnums. I have no idea why. From a ballistics standpoint you certainly don't need them.

As for a carbine S2, I'm all for it if it's in .308 or .260 or 7mm/08. Chambered for a bigger cartridge, the muzzle blast is inhuman. My own 7mm/08 has a 20-inch barrel, and I like it fine.

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from RipperIII wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Absolutely love my TikkaT3...but I've always liked the look and the reputation of the Weatherby models.
What is the advantage of a "two stage" trigger?

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from eweatherby wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter,

No left hand in the Vanguard is really just a matter of cost. It is very expensive to tool for another action to be built left hand. Also it's expensive to build another mold for the synthetic stock. It's hard to justify the expense for the number of LH guns we sell compared to RH. Hope that helps explain it. With that said, we have considered it and you never know what the future holds.
Ed Weatherby

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from fordman155 wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

RipperIII: the 2-stage trigger gives you a little bit of slack and then you get the mechanical resistance in the trigger movement. A bit more pressure after metting the resistance and the trigger breaks clean and there is no more movement. Theyou have to exert pressure on the trigger OR the longer you have to pull the trigger, the move the shooter is going to move OR have the potential to move. The 2-stage trigger on the S2 Vanguard is adjustable, but the two triggers I have on 257 and 300 Wby Mag rifles needed no adjustment for me. They're perfect just as they came to me from the factory.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Mark .270,

The 7mm Rem Mag with a 150 or 160 grain bullet is an excellent elk choice. Our gang has taken more elk with 7mm magnums than other calibers I guess because that's what we used. Not much tracking either!

But one needs any excuse for a new rifle!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

@ eweatherby

Ed,
Thanks for the reply. Mine are listed on Weatherby Nation! All are real shooters! I am considereing a Vanguard in .223 or .22-250 one of these days.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Ed, You can thank WAMtnhunter and Beekeeper for getting me started on Weatherby rifles. Almost bought a MK V back when it cost a month's pay for a buck sergeant but the store clerk talked me into a Remington. That was about 1973 give or take a year. I do like my S-2 and will likely buy more.
BTW You orta give ol' WAM one of them S-2's for all the good publicity he has given you over the years. Me thinks Weatherby's are 'bout all that good ol' boy owns.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Forgot to mention if you click my username then look lower right there are photos of my S-2 and the first group shot with it. That was at Mill Creek Rifle Range.

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Mr. Weatherby,

As a left handed shooter I have long appreciated the mere fact that a major gun company would even acknowledge those of us in the 1 in 14 bracket. However, we are a market and if you think about it, an almost guaranteed market to the company willing to provide rifles to us sinister types. With the Weatherby name and Vanguard cartridge selection, even at a slightly higher price the market is there.

Business is business, but gun companies have always been guarded when marketing left handed guns. Typically they are offered in limited chambering’s and that in itself limits sales. I once had a Ruger rep tell me that left handers only buy rifles in 30/06, .270 and .300 Winchester Magnum with a straight face. Well duh... When I reminded him that is all that Ruger offered he glared at me as if I were an idiot.

The company that is willing to bring a quality left handed gun to the market and include a modest selection of non-vanilla chambering’s will develop a loyal following. Weatherby rounds are pretty non-vanilla by the way. The Euro based companies offer far more variety in left handed guns than do US makers, Tikka is a good example. However, Beretta only imports a fraction of the available left handed guns to the US from Tikka. If left hand guns sell in Europe, why not here?

If memory serves back in the days when Howa had their own web site I recall seeing a left handed action listed. It also seems that Legacy also had a lefty M1500 listed briefly but no longer does.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Ed, I know Beekeeper, Beekeeper is a friend of mine. If you build them he and WAM will likely buy a truck load. Just build the things and charge something extra to pay for the tooling, problem solved.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I won't buy any lefties unless I lose my right arm! LOL

There are Mark V's in limited models and calibers, as I recall. There are the occasional lefty Mark V used rifles out there too.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Del,

You'd never make it as an engineer measuring like that! LOL Got to get the real center of the holes or measure outside to outside and subtract 1 D. (.308)

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

WAM that was close and I am aware of the engineer mentality. My son is one. Hard to hold the calipers and snap a picture by myself.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

That is still some really good shooting, I don't care who you are!

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I thought WAM might have had Ed there for a moment and I might end up buying my first Win..270. Ending up with a Mk V was a fluke for myself being such a spendthrift but when my girl friend now 23yr as my wife asked about a rifle it was a Mk V.240 Wby. I think it was John Lachuk writing the article for G&A back in "81" and I was eating those numbers up and liked the taste...fast & flat. I found the trigger on this piece broke like glass its consistancy was unmatched by anything in the safe(close 2nd Contender). These HOWA made rifles, mine happens to be a 1500 S&W and after bedding the rifle, 1/2 dollar groups all day @200yds hot or cold, 150, 154, 160, 162, 175 gr bullets were the norm. The most accurate Howa rifle was my lawyers Wby Vangard his first and only rifle shot better than mine and it needed nothing but ammo as it always thought it was in a match. I'm a lefty as are my wife & boy, the Mk V.300 & BDL 700 30-06 are our left hand rifles. A .270 SS Vangard might have been the ticket for me, we handload is the reason we don't own one(.270), my excuse...its perfect who needs that! ? Nice try WAM, I won't say Ed blew us lefties off 'cause he does build rifles that you only need to pull the trigger once but the cheek piece on the right would be nice.

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from buckstopper wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Just think I'll keep my T3 mountain light

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

dtownley

Ed and the Weatherby boys DO make some fine Mark V rifles for lefties. You just have to get off that hip to bring one home.

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

being a lefty, ill vouch for a mark V being an excellent left handed rifle. have one in .300 weatherby, ill also vouch for those triggers. absolutely ZERO trigger work needs to be done on that gun. this summer ill finally have time to make some handloads and see what this baby can really do.

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from crowman wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I'm sure tired of suffering from Dep's disease [ lefthand ] myself and being told that no you can't have it your way. Do you realize that being left handed is the last minority that doesn't have a protected status? Even the blind have those chirping crosswalk signs and those aggravating yellow bump walkways that when you run over them with a full cart of stuff that falls out on the ground. I know that left handed people outnumber blind people at about a 1000 to 1 so where's our perks? I think it's time for some new laws that say if you offer it in right hand you have to offer it in lefthand. We can be subsidized by the government as a new classification of protected citizens. Just think when you see a rifle that you like you won't have to hope against hope when you ask if it's available in left handed like a bum on the street asking for spare change and them looking at you like the pathetic defective DNA meat tube that you are. With this new law Mr. Weatherby will get the extra money that he needs to flop the plans on a CNC machine to crank out left hand rifles and throw us lefty's a bone. Dep I think that you should be our general to lead the charge because the troops are ready to go. I'm sure Obummer will surely get behind our cause for justice. What say you Dep?

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

WAM, truly an understatement, and the hip ? well my Dad(he is from Alabama) was so worried about his boys character he made sure I was well versed the use of the wheelbarrow and its many uses along with its friends the pick-ax, adz, ax, post-hole digger, spade, shovel, coal shovel, or anything else that didn't go BANG. He also told me to work smart not hard. That is when the rifle & its history became my diversion. A lot of history between the first rifle and now, when I was growing up in Detroit a Cadillac car was not only luxury but tough also, so when I heard the Weatherby was the Cadillac of rifles, I figured this is where quality begins. A third Weatherby in the safe would not hurt my feelings at all and if it ended up a .270 WIN MK V or Vangard my feathers would still lay flat.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

dtownley,
Getting off that hip is an old saying that refers to getting up and reaching into the back pocket and retrieving the wallet. Could also be useful to get off the azz and get a job to pay for it! LOL

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from DakotaMan wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I recently purchased a used but nearly new Howa 1500 (same as Vanguard) stainless in 30-06 with the intention of using the receiver for a bench rifle. Before I cranked off the barrel and pitched it, I thought I would shoot a few rounds to see what the factory offering did. I glass bedded the action and took it to the range. It has been amazingly accurate with a variety of handloads. The three shot groups with everything from 110 VMax to 180 Accubonds go from 1. to .4. Pretty amazing for a stock over-the-counter rifle. I'm leaving the barrel on it and will look for another for my project. I really like the action... it is really solid in the bedding with the integral recoil lug and receiver footprint. This thing is just like I would design a modern receiver if I were using the best designs available. I do like the 60 degree bolt throw but have shot more big game with a 90 degree throw in spite of that. It is more of a bell and whistle than a feature to me.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

DakotaMan

I have used a two-lug action longer than others myself. I had no issue with the 90 degree throw until I discovered a better mousetrap. How much better? Not that much, but better. I still shoot and hunt with both.

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

WAM, never had to spend money with my Dads friends and when when one of his Sheriff friends tried to give me a Colt Python for some work I had done for him my Dad told him he would have to find something else to pay him with 'cause the boys only 15(Dad did not care for handguns either). Well he gave me a Triumph motorcycle and I figured I had done him a good job as baseball, motorcycles, fireworks, and guns were my favorite past times. Work ethics no problem, just hate to pull that wallet. That used LH .300 WBY I picked up is headed for Mt.Clemens as the thing gives me a real filling rattler when I touch her off. I wouldn't do it if it didn't work but Mag-Na-Port does what it claims...I wonder if they need their driveway shoveled ?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

dtownley

If it is a Mark V in excellent condition, I would consider sending it to Weatherby Custom Shop for retrofitting the brake. Non-OEM modifications seldom add to the value of firearms. Just a thought. If you plan to keep it for a long time, then it doesn't matter.

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from ericb622 wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

I puzzled over different rifles and chamberings for my wife to hunt deer and antelope with me here in Montana. Finally decided on the Vanguard S2 in 25'06. My first trip to the range proved it to be a winner. Factory Remington green box 117s, 3 shots into 1 ragged hole by a woman who has never shot anything bigger that a .22lr

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from mcboyzz567 wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

WOW.this gun sounds so good i think i'll have to get one!

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from mcboyzz567 wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

WOW.this gun sounds so good i think i'll have to get one!

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

WAM, this rifle was in great hunted shape and when the fella that sold it said he would take 400 for it, I cloud nined as another LH.300 that looked keel hauled was passed on. So I feel MK V rich as it shoots as well as the wifes .240(always under an inch @100yds), the Mag-Na Port is to preserve the lines as much as my shooting prowess. I shoot this firearm very well and to develope a flinch would just annoy me. My wife shoots her .338WM very well if she thought for a second she shot better than me I would hear it all over the College. I won't even shoot clay pigeons with her after she schooled some friends and myself with a pistol grip 12ga. *#@!*&!@ show off...we could have been having an off day ?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

@dtownley

I picked up my 7mm Wby Mk V at a Sanford & Son gun sale a couple of years ago. It looked like it had been riding on a combine. I had a synthetic stock previously purchased on eBay to replace the really crappy, beat one and reblued the barrel and it is certainly presentable now. I have less than $600 in it now, including the new(er) bottom metal. It has picked up a few elk hunting scars, but don't they all?

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from maccamera wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

Mr. Weatherby,
Could you please offer this fine, well priced rifle in your father's and namesake's .270? The REAL .270....the laserbeam .270....the under represented, misunderstood, yet superior .270...the Weatherby .270 magnum??!! I love my Mark V Deluxe in .270 WBY magnum and would love to see this caliber get the recognition it deserves over the more trendy .270 WSM. Seems that Weatherby's should be chambered for Weatherby calibers. Just my $.02

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

Seems that the .270 Weatherby is ahead of the 7mm Weatherby in popularity, right up there with the .257 & .300 Wby Mag's. My .270 Weatherby is bored out .007". :-)

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

WAM, the nice thing about my used Wby, is the used Leupold 4X12AO(nice glass), the Dr. I handloaded ammo for bought me the .300 dies then gave his .300(a german short throat,near zero freebore) to his sister ? So all good things Wby are kinda falling softly in my lap and I am taking them as a sign. Quit smoking, exercise everyday, and will start eating better...uhh less. Two years back I portered my .300 about the bush down here and found it as tireing as my wifes.240. That S&S line was a giggler.

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from dale freeman wrote 2 years 5 weeks ago

I too, remember when the Wetherbys came out.
Everything was new, looks, workings, calibre's, etc. and most of all, the price, oh that price and on an ugley gun at that. Who did he think he was.
Mr. Weatherby believed in speed, we believed in "mass".
Looks like the Weatherbys has gotten line and looking good.
I never thought i'd say i might buy a Weatherby but I find myself "checking them out"
I really wanted to buy a Remington, but I'm slipping towards the Wetherby.
If I could get a rifle that shoots 1/4 " groups, what else could I ask for.
Well Mr. Petzal I.ve come to put stock in your word and this will be my last rifle to buy.
Plain Weatherby with the plain old .243 Win.
This what an old man should retire with.

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from royperry wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

I bought a Vanguard last year in 270 Win and put it into a Boyd's thumbhole laminate stock with a Bushnell Elite scope. My grandson shot a nice doe last fall with it. 386 yds and it dropped on the spot. There are days I wish I could be young again - just for a little while :-)

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from aarand01 wrote 2 years 4 days ago

I did lots of research before buying my vanguard S2 in 30-06 caliber. Everything I read praised the gun and nothing I read bashed it, which is unusual as there are some people who just love one type of gun and always post negativity on other brands just out of ignorance. So I bought my rifle and went to take it to sight it in. I noticed right away the safety was hard to set on occasion and other times it worked smoothly. I had the gun chambered and in the 2nd safety position in which the bolt and the trigger are locked out. When I went to place the gun into the fire position, it was sticking again. When I finally got it into the fire position, the gun went off and my hand was NOWHERE near the trigger. Needless to say I was quite upset. Not sure what to make of it and right about now I am regretting making this purchase. Any advice on what could be wrong would be appreciated. The factory wants me to send it in but I have a hunt coming up in 3 weeks. Thanks for any info provided.

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from Brandon Reeve wrote 1 year 36 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal I am also a left handed shooter. I was just wondering how the Monte Carlo stock on the vanguard 2 affects you shooting it left handed? I am really interested in this rifle, however, I am hesitating because of the stock. Any insight you could provide is much appreciated!

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from 50-70RB wrote 1 year 31 weeks ago

I cannot get this article to print. I really,Really, REALLY need a copy. Any suggestions? Thankyou.

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from dayven wrote 1 year 21 weeks ago

This is my first rifle, and I know nothing about scopes ..... yet :)
What specs on a scope would you suggest for this rifle?

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from Caden Zufelt wrote 1 week 1 day ago

I am going to buy this gun soon, hopefully. I am only 15 and am finally done with my hunter safety. I am going to get in it 25-06, I am a very good shooter so I think i can handle a smaller elk, mostly going to be shooting whitetail and coyotes. I am going to put a vortex diamond back 4-20 on it. Hopefully I can get some good animals with it. If you think I should look into something else. I only have about 700$. Thanks

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from eweatherby wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Can't thank you enough Dave for all your kind comments. You know you have a real winner on your hands when Dave Petzal uses the word "perfect". Can't think of a finer compliment coming from anyone. I used the Series 2 last year on antelope and Mule deer. What a tack driver. For the money I don't think you can do much better in my humble opinion but then again I am biased.
Ed Weatherby

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Wish we could persuade them to make a lefty version.

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from vasportsman wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

My father-in-law has this gun in .30-06 and it truely is and amazing rifle, I sighted it in for him last season and it was almost a religous experience haha. Thanks Mr. Petzal!

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

To Douglas: I'm not supposed to give out complete handloads, but I can say that I used Winchester WLR primers and IMR 4320, and Winchester brass. I've seen very few .308s that wouldn't shoot well with 4320.

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from Tim Platt wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I got a rifle for $389 that shoots 5/8" groups at 3,500 fps and am complaining about it. I may have to step back and think about that for a minute.

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from Drover1 wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Ooooo. I've been toying with the idea of picking up a new rifle before next hunting season – 25-06 probably – for antelope and open-country deer. Now I’m really tempted. Don’t tell my wife.

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from Harold wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I find it interesting that when Weatherby first came to my attention (circa 1970) they were the most expensive mass-produced rifles on the market. Now they are some of the least expensive, and from everything I've read, very excellent firearms indeed.

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from fordman155 wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

The S2 Vanguard .257 Wby Mag I have shoots exceptional well for a low-priced rifle. From my handloaded 100gn Barnes TSX, 100gn Nosler Accubond, 117gn Hornady, 117gn Sierra and 120gn Hornady bullets the rifle produces sub-1" groups, the smallest being a 49" with the Barnes bullets. I grew up shooting all kinds of rifles with all sorts of good and not-so-good triggers. The 2-stage trigger on this rifle is the biggest improvement over the old Vanguard line (which was still a good rifle). The 3-position safety is great. If its too complicated for you, simply remember F is for firing and S is for not firing it. You can use the middle setting to cycle the action with no danger of the trigger functioning. I went a step further and put a desert tan Bell&Carlson Medalist stock with the anti-slip black spider webbing, which might not be needed to make the rifle into what it is (accuracy-wise) but I wanted something stronger than the original stock. Oddly enough, a few months later the Range Certified S2s came out. They're factory-fired Weatherby's that shot under a 1" group, have been bore sighted, and come on a (drum roll please) green Bell&Carlson Medalist stock with black spider webbing. You also get a signed target from Ed Weatherby stating the accuracy guarantee of that rifle.
Weatherby is going to sell A LOT of these S2s.

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from ishawooa wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I thinking mostly about Mark Vs but have you ever seen a Weatherby that you didn't like? Well maybe you didn't care for the .340 immediately after it split your eyebrow but that's a different topic. Be they old American, German, Japanese, or the very nice new Americans all are excellent pieces of weaponry. Frankly from across a small room these new Vanguards can easily be mistaken for a Mark V and apparently the same can be said for them at the range.

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from Bwana Hunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Well - Mr. Petzal, my hats off to you for initially expounding in video and then now with the above article on the super merits of the Weatherby Vanguard, now 2nd edition hunting rifle.

Not that any of the gun enthusiasts or readers here would notice my posts any more than other nimrods varied thoughts, but I've been gently trying to show to those that are looking for quality - to take a real close gander at this fine new Weatherby sporting arm.

So, the authority you bring to my seemingly empty reasonings is wind for the sails. I almost felt for awhile like I was manning the south wall of the Alamo all by myself..

Thanks for a another fine article on a great new improved hunting rifle - this time from Weatherby Arms. Keep em' coming.

Best/Bwana

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Dave, As mentioned here on earlier posts I got my hands on one of the first S 2's in 300 Wby. Mine has the 2.5-16X mdl 6500 elite Bushnell scope with Tally QR rings. It is no problem to get 3200 fps with Barnes 168 gr TTSX bullets and they are MOA accurate. Looks to me like a 26 inch barrel is not needed with modern powder. Last fall it smoked a nice whitetail 268 yds across a Missouri pasture. This will no doubt take care of any elk on the planet. The bolt throw does not bother me at all. The safety is a little stiff and needs a good shove to get it to the fire position. Honestly recoil from this rifle is not even close to the whack I get from my Remington 700 Classic in 350 Rem mag.

Dave63go, Hand loads are usually more accurate because your brass is fire formed to the rifles chamber. Also you can tailor your ammo to a particular rifle. For example my 300 has a 24 inch barrel therefore it makes sense to choose a powder like IMR4350 over something that is even slower burning like H1000. The very slow powders burn less completely in the shorter barrel and the result is a big muzzle blast. By trying several combinations of bullet, powder, primer and brass you can almost always come up with one or more loads that will beat factory ammo in accuracy. However, factory velocity is often tough to beat or even match.
BTW My testing indicates you can safely push a Barnes TTSX bullet faster than a same weight lead core bullet such as the Nosler partition. TTSX bullets have very high BC's that result in very flat trajectories.

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from eweatherby wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter,

No left hand in the Vanguard is really just a matter of cost. It is very expensive to tool for another action to be built left hand. Also it's expensive to build another mold for the synthetic stock. It's hard to justify the expense for the number of LH guns we sell compared to RH. Hope that helps explain it. With that said, we have considered it and you never know what the future holds.
Ed Weatherby

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Mark .270,

The 7mm Rem Mag with a 150 or 160 grain bullet is an excellent elk choice. Our gang has taken more elk with 7mm magnums than other calibers I guess because that's what we used. Not much tracking either!

But one needs any excuse for a new rifle!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

@ eweatherby

Ed,
Thanks for the reply. Mine are listed on Weatherby Nation! All are real shooters! I am considereing a Vanguard in .223 or .22-250 one of these days.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Ed, You can thank WAMtnhunter and Beekeeper for getting me started on Weatherby rifles. Almost bought a MK V back when it cost a month's pay for a buck sergeant but the store clerk talked me into a Remington. That was about 1973 give or take a year. I do like my S-2 and will likely buy more.
BTW You orta give ol' WAM one of them S-2's for all the good publicity he has given you over the years. Me thinks Weatherby's are 'bout all that good ol' boy owns.

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from Beekeeper wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Mr. Weatherby,

As a left handed shooter I have long appreciated the mere fact that a major gun company would even acknowledge those of us in the 1 in 14 bracket. However, we are a market and if you think about it, an almost guaranteed market to the company willing to provide rifles to us sinister types. With the Weatherby name and Vanguard cartridge selection, even at a slightly higher price the market is there.

Business is business, but gun companies have always been guarded when marketing left handed guns. Typically they are offered in limited chambering’s and that in itself limits sales. I once had a Ruger rep tell me that left handers only buy rifles in 30/06, .270 and .300 Winchester Magnum with a straight face. Well duh... When I reminded him that is all that Ruger offered he glared at me as if I were an idiot.

The company that is willing to bring a quality left handed gun to the market and include a modest selection of non-vanilla chambering’s will develop a loyal following. Weatherby rounds are pretty non-vanilla by the way. The Euro based companies offer far more variety in left handed guns than do US makers, Tikka is a good example. However, Beretta only imports a fraction of the available left handed guns to the US from Tikka. If left hand guns sell in Europe, why not here?

If memory serves back in the days when Howa had their own web site I recall seeing a left handed action listed. It also seems that Legacy also had a lefty M1500 listed briefly but no longer does.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

WAM that was close and I am aware of the engineer mentality. My son is one. Hard to hold the calipers and snap a picture by myself.

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from DakotaMan wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I recently purchased a used but nearly new Howa 1500 (same as Vanguard) stainless in 30-06 with the intention of using the receiver for a bench rifle. Before I cranked off the barrel and pitched it, I thought I would shoot a few rounds to see what the factory offering did. I glass bedded the action and took it to the range. It has been amazingly accurate with a variety of handloads. The three shot groups with everything from 110 VMax to 180 Accubonds go from 1. to .4. Pretty amazing for a stock over-the-counter rifle. I'm leaving the barrel on it and will look for another for my project. I really like the action... it is really solid in the bedding with the integral recoil lug and receiver footprint. This thing is just like I would design a modern receiver if I were using the best designs available. I do like the 60 degree bolt throw but have shot more big game with a 90 degree throw in spite of that. It is more of a bell and whistle than a feature to me.

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from ericb622 wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

I puzzled over different rifles and chamberings for my wife to hunt deer and antelope with me here in Montana. Finally decided on the Vanguard S2 in 25'06. My first trip to the range proved it to be a winner. Factory Remington green box 117s, 3 shots into 1 ragged hole by a woman who has never shot anything bigger that a .22lr

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from maccamera wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

Mr. Weatherby,
Could you please offer this fine, well priced rifle in your father's and namesake's .270? The REAL .270....the laserbeam .270....the under represented, misunderstood, yet superior .270...the Weatherby .270 magnum??!! I love my Mark V Deluxe in .270 WBY magnum and would love to see this caliber get the recognition it deserves over the more trendy .270 WSM. Seems that Weatherby's should be chambered for Weatherby calibers. Just my $.02

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from dale freeman wrote 2 years 5 weeks ago

I too, remember when the Wetherbys came out.
Everything was new, looks, workings, calibre's, etc. and most of all, the price, oh that price and on an ugley gun at that. Who did he think he was.
Mr. Weatherby believed in speed, we believed in "mass".
Looks like the Weatherbys has gotten line and looking good.
I never thought i'd say i might buy a Weatherby but I find myself "checking them out"
I really wanted to buy a Remington, but I'm slipping towards the Wetherby.
If I could get a rifle that shoots 1/4 " groups, what else could I ask for.
Well Mr. Petzal I.ve come to put stock in your word and this will be my last rifle to buy.
Plain Weatherby with the plain old .243 Win.
This what an old man should retire with.

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from Proverbs wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Weatherby must be getting serious with all its triggers. Picked up a PA-459 in Skull from Cabelas over the weekend, and could hardly believe the trigger. It was far better than average for "tactical" shotguns (will be used for coyote in sagebrush cover), regardless of price.

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from fordman155 wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Correction: the Nosler's are 110gn Accubond bullets, not 100gn as I incorrectly wrote. My S2 was making sub-1" groups @ 100yds even before I was done with powder work-ups on the 100gn TSXs. Great rifle---YESSSSSSSS!

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from Douglas wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal, any chance you could post the recipe you used with the Sierra gamekings?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

So I guess Ed Weatherby figured he could sell a whole bunch more $450 rifles than $1,500 rifles with a better margin!

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from Scott Jones wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Dave,

Any timeline on a review of the new Ruger American?

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

The rifle is a plain lookin` good shooter; at a low price. What's not to like about it?

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from Jim in Mo wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I thought a stainless barrel was a blued barrel just not a chrome moly.

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from Tim Platt wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I am glad they figured out the trigger and did away with the Sub MOA distinction. At least it shows they are paying attention and fixing the problems people are experiencing.

Mine is pre MOA (new distinction) and when I had a local gunsmith do a trigger job it was wonderful but then I noticed the safety would not engage..... when he fixed that problem the trigger was back to its old creepy self. It is like running your fingernail across a chalk board. It still shoots about a .625" group @ 100 yards with .257 Weatherby factory ammo.

Wish I had the money for a new .308. I would buy the Winchester. HA! Is it just me or do other people not like the rubber inserts in their stock? They always seem to wear out or come unglued.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

There is/wuz a line of Left Handed clothing with left handed zippers and buttons.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Ishawooa

Putting a nicer, distinctively Weatherby stock on a Vanguard still gets you a two-lug bolt with a 90+ degree lift and a gawd awful three-position thumb push safety to deal with. Some of the Vanguard Deluxe rifles have some mighty nice wood.

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from dave63go wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

$500, sounds like quite a deal for a top notch rifle. What calibers would you folks recommend to me for midwestern whitetail hunting, and maybe some day, a Colorado elk hunt? Something without too much kick, please.

Oh, and can someone explain why hand loads offer superior accuracy? Seems like the pros at the ammo makers would have their assembly lines tuned pretty well, to the point where doing it by hand would offer more downside than upside. Please educate me, much thanks on both fronts.

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from Douglas wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Thanks for the info on what you used for powder, etc. I recently bought a $1200 made in America.308 that is fussy to an extreme. I use 150 gr gamekings and appreciate advice on good powder to use with them.
Maybe I'll just swap my rifle for a Weatherby.

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

To Scott Jones: Within the next week or so. I just finished shooting it.

To Dave 63go: Get a plain .270. As for the handloading question, I will be doing an entire post on it.

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from Mark .270 win wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Any thoughts on this rifle in .300 Weatherby Mag?

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from TCguy wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

As WA Mtnhunter pointed out the Vanguards have 90* bolt throw, which is fine on a bench in the summer, but trying to get a mitten out of the way of the scope when cycling the bolt can be a challenge. I looked hard at the Vanguard 1 and contemplated waiting for Vanguard 2, but I ended up going with the TC Venture in .308 instead. It is also MOA guaranteed, lighter than the weatherby, has a removable mag, and a good adjustable trigger. Plus it's made in the US and has a lifetime warranty. Didn't get a chance to shoot a deer this year, but it was very nice on the range.

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from fordman155 wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Mark .270 Win: The S2 as a 300 Wby Mag would be awsome. I have a circa 1995 Vanguard 300 Wby Mag with an S2 trigger. I got the trigger from a guy who likes the Timney triggers better than the 2-stage ones on the S2s. Handloaded 180gn Hornady's from that rifle before the new trigger shot 1.5" wide groups at 300yds from a bipod. I tested out some other handloads last week and the group was .96" @ 100yds and that was with two different powder loads. Also, my 300 Wby shoots better with a Sporter stock than it did with the original black synthetic stock.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Mark .270,
The only thing about the .300 Weatherby in this rifle that might be considered a drawback by some is barrel length. In theory, a .30 bore cartridge loading 84 to 90+ grains of propellant needs a 26 inch barrel to efficiently wring out all the velocity and minimize flash and flame. In the real world, it probably makes an insignificant difference aside from 40-50 fps MV. Accuracy might actually be better with the 24" tube. I'll let you know how mine works out.

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from jakenbake wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Dave,

If I remember correctly, you are also of the left-handed persuasion. Does it bother you shooting guns made for those folk who are wrong-handed? Do you even care at this point?

Thanks,
Jake

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

@eweatherby

Ed,
As one of Weatherby's biggest fans, I have to ask why no southpaw models? I'm right handed, but just wanted to ask as some of my email pals and I were speculating about why not just today.

Mark V's rule and the rest drool!

WAM

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from john c. wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal,

Two questions:

1) Any idea why Weatherby persists in the practice of putting 24" barrels on non-magnum calibers?

2) What do you think of the carbine version of the S2? If I recall correctly, the carbine version comes equipped with a 20" #1 contour barrel, but utilizes the same stock as the standard S2.

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from Mark .270 win wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Del in KS, Fordman155 and WA Mtnhunter,

Thanks for the feedback on 34" versus 26" barrel for .300 Weatherby Magnum. I will have to evaluate caliber choice. I have a .270 win (my favorite) and 7 mm rem mag so not sure on next caliber, but like this rifle. Wanted a heavier caliber for elk.

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from Mark .270 win wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Sorry, 24" not 34" barrel!

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from RipperIII wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Absolutely love my TikkaT3...but I've always liked the look and the reputation of the Weatherby models.
What is the advantage of a "two stage" trigger?

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from fordman155 wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

RipperIII: the 2-stage trigger gives you a little bit of slack and then you get the mechanical resistance in the trigger movement. A bit more pressure after metting the resistance and the trigger breaks clean and there is no more movement. Theyou have to exert pressure on the trigger OR the longer you have to pull the trigger, the move the shooter is going to move OR have the potential to move. The 2-stage trigger on the S2 Vanguard is adjustable, but the two triggers I have on 257 and 300 Wby Mag rifles needed no adjustment for me. They're perfect just as they came to me from the factory.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Forgot to mention if you click my username then look lower right there are photos of my S-2 and the first group shot with it. That was at Mill Creek Rifle Range.

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from Del in KS wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Ed, I know Beekeeper, Beekeeper is a friend of mine. If you build them he and WAM will likely buy a truck load. Just build the things and charge something extra to pay for the tooling, problem solved.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I won't buy any lefties unless I lose my right arm! LOL

There are Mark V's in limited models and calibers, as I recall. There are the occasional lefty Mark V used rifles out there too.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Del,

You'd never make it as an engineer measuring like that! LOL Got to get the real center of the holes or measure outside to outside and subtract 1 D. (.308)

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

That is still some really good shooting, I don't care who you are!

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I thought WAM might have had Ed there for a moment and I might end up buying my first Win..270. Ending up with a Mk V was a fluke for myself being such a spendthrift but when my girl friend now 23yr as my wife asked about a rifle it was a Mk V.240 Wby. I think it was John Lachuk writing the article for G&A back in "81" and I was eating those numbers up and liked the taste...fast & flat. I found the trigger on this piece broke like glass its consistancy was unmatched by anything in the safe(close 2nd Contender). These HOWA made rifles, mine happens to be a 1500 S&W and after bedding the rifle, 1/2 dollar groups all day @200yds hot or cold, 150, 154, 160, 162, 175 gr bullets were the norm. The most accurate Howa rifle was my lawyers Wby Vangard his first and only rifle shot better than mine and it needed nothing but ammo as it always thought it was in a match. I'm a lefty as are my wife & boy, the Mk V.300 & BDL 700 30-06 are our left hand rifles. A .270 SS Vangard might have been the ticket for me, we handload is the reason we don't own one(.270), my excuse...its perfect who needs that! ? Nice try WAM, I won't say Ed blew us lefties off 'cause he does build rifles that you only need to pull the trigger once but the cheek piece on the right would be nice.

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from buckstopper wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

Just think I'll keep my T3 mountain light

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

dtownley

Ed and the Weatherby boys DO make some fine Mark V rifles for lefties. You just have to get off that hip to bring one home.

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

being a lefty, ill vouch for a mark V being an excellent left handed rifle. have one in .300 weatherby, ill also vouch for those triggers. absolutely ZERO trigger work needs to be done on that gun. this summer ill finally have time to make some handloads and see what this baby can really do.

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from crowman wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

I'm sure tired of suffering from Dep's disease [ lefthand ] myself and being told that no you can't have it your way. Do you realize that being left handed is the last minority that doesn't have a protected status? Even the blind have those chirping crosswalk signs and those aggravating yellow bump walkways that when you run over them with a full cart of stuff that falls out on the ground. I know that left handed people outnumber blind people at about a 1000 to 1 so where's our perks? I think it's time for some new laws that say if you offer it in right hand you have to offer it in lefthand. We can be subsidized by the government as a new classification of protected citizens. Just think when you see a rifle that you like you won't have to hope against hope when you ask if it's available in left handed like a bum on the street asking for spare change and them looking at you like the pathetic defective DNA meat tube that you are. With this new law Mr. Weatherby will get the extra money that he needs to flop the plans on a CNC machine to crank out left hand rifles and throw us lefty's a bone. Dep I think that you should be our general to lead the charge because the troops are ready to go. I'm sure Obummer will surely get behind our cause for justice. What say you Dep?

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

WAM, truly an understatement, and the hip ? well my Dad(he is from Alabama) was so worried about his boys character he made sure I was well versed the use of the wheelbarrow and its many uses along with its friends the pick-ax, adz, ax, post-hole digger, spade, shovel, coal shovel, or anything else that didn't go BANG. He also told me to work smart not hard. That is when the rifle & its history became my diversion. A lot of history between the first rifle and now, when I was growing up in Detroit a Cadillac car was not only luxury but tough also, so when I heard the Weatherby was the Cadillac of rifles, I figured this is where quality begins. A third Weatherby in the safe would not hurt my feelings at all and if it ended up a .270 WIN MK V or Vangard my feathers would still lay flat.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

dtownley,
Getting off that hip is an old saying that refers to getting up and reaching into the back pocket and retrieving the wallet. Could also be useful to get off the azz and get a job to pay for it! LOL

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

DakotaMan

I have used a two-lug action longer than others myself. I had no issue with the 90 degree throw until I discovered a better mousetrap. How much better? Not that much, but better. I still shoot and hunt with both.

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

WAM, never had to spend money with my Dads friends and when when one of his Sheriff friends tried to give me a Colt Python for some work I had done for him my Dad told him he would have to find something else to pay him with 'cause the boys only 15(Dad did not care for handguns either). Well he gave me a Triumph motorcycle and I figured I had done him a good job as baseball, motorcycles, fireworks, and guns were my favorite past times. Work ethics no problem, just hate to pull that wallet. That used LH .300 WBY I picked up is headed for Mt.Clemens as the thing gives me a real filling rattler when I touch her off. I wouldn't do it if it didn't work but Mag-Na-Port does what it claims...I wonder if they need their driveway shoveled ?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

dtownley

If it is a Mark V in excellent condition, I would consider sending it to Weatherby Custom Shop for retrofitting the brake. Non-OEM modifications seldom add to the value of firearms. Just a thought. If you plan to keep it for a long time, then it doesn't matter.

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from mcboyzz567 wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

WOW.this gun sounds so good i think i'll have to get one!

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from mcboyzz567 wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

WOW.this gun sounds so good i think i'll have to get one!

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

WAM, this rifle was in great hunted shape and when the fella that sold it said he would take 400 for it, I cloud nined as another LH.300 that looked keel hauled was passed on. So I feel MK V rich as it shoots as well as the wifes .240(always under an inch @100yds), the Mag-Na Port is to preserve the lines as much as my shooting prowess. I shoot this firearm very well and to develope a flinch would just annoy me. My wife shoots her .338WM very well if she thought for a second she shot better than me I would hear it all over the College. I won't even shoot clay pigeons with her after she schooled some friends and myself with a pistol grip 12ga. *#@!*&!@ show off...we could have been having an off day ?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

@dtownley

I picked up my 7mm Wby Mk V at a Sanford & Son gun sale a couple of years ago. It looked like it had been riding on a combine. I had a synthetic stock previously purchased on eBay to replace the really crappy, beat one and reblued the barrel and it is certainly presentable now. I have less than $600 in it now, including the new(er) bottom metal. It has picked up a few elk hunting scars, but don't they all?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

Seems that the .270 Weatherby is ahead of the 7mm Weatherby in popularity, right up there with the .257 & .300 Wby Mag's. My .270 Weatherby is bored out .007". :-)

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 6 weeks ago

WAM, the nice thing about my used Wby, is the used Leupold 4X12AO(nice glass), the Dr. I handloaded ammo for bought me the .300 dies then gave his .300(a german short throat,near zero freebore) to his sister ? So all good things Wby are kinda falling softly in my lap and I am taking them as a sign. Quit smoking, exercise everyday, and will start eating better...uhh less. Two years back I portered my .300 about the bush down here and found it as tireing as my wifes.240. That S&S line was a giggler.

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from royperry wrote 2 years 2 weeks ago

I bought a Vanguard last year in 270 Win and put it into a Boyd's thumbhole laminate stock with a Bushnell Elite scope. My grandson shot a nice doe last fall with it. 386 yds and it dropped on the spot. There are days I wish I could be young again - just for a little while :-)

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from aarand01 wrote 2 years 4 days ago

I did lots of research before buying my vanguard S2 in 30-06 caliber. Everything I read praised the gun and nothing I read bashed it, which is unusual as there are some people who just love one type of gun and always post negativity on other brands just out of ignorance. So I bought my rifle and went to take it to sight it in. I noticed right away the safety was hard to set on occasion and other times it worked smoothly. I had the gun chambered and in the 2nd safety position in which the bolt and the trigger are locked out. When I went to place the gun into the fire position, it was sticking again. When I finally got it into the fire position, the gun went off and my hand was NOWHERE near the trigger. Needless to say I was quite upset. Not sure what to make of it and right about now I am regretting making this purchase. Any advice on what could be wrong would be appreciated. The factory wants me to send it in but I have a hunt coming up in 3 weeks. Thanks for any info provided.

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from davidpetzal wrote 2 years 7 weeks ago

To Jakenbake: I do shoot left-hand. I've been shooting right-hand guns for so long that it no longer really bothers me. You can get used to anything.

To John C: It's not just Weatherby; just about everyone uses 24-inch barrels on standard calibers and 26 inches on magnums. I have no idea why. From a ballistics standpoint you certainly don't need them.

As for a carbine S2, I'm all for it if it's in .308 or .260 or 7mm/08. Chambered for a bigger cartridge, the muzzle blast is inhuman. My own 7mm/08 has a 20-inch barrel, and I like it fine.

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from Brandon Reeve wrote 1 year 36 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal I am also a left handed shooter. I was just wondering how the Monte Carlo stock on the vanguard 2 affects you shooting it left handed? I am really interested in this rifle, however, I am hesitating because of the stock. Any insight you could provide is much appreciated!

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from 50-70RB wrote 1 year 31 weeks ago

I cannot get this article to print. I really,Really, REALLY need a copy. Any suggestions? Thankyou.

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from dayven wrote 1 year 21 weeks ago

This is my first rifle, and I know nothing about scopes ..... yet :)
What specs on a scope would you suggest for this rifle?

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from Caden Zufelt wrote 1 week 1 day ago

I am going to buy this gun soon, hopefully. I am only 15 and am finally done with my hunter safety. I am going to get in it 25-06, I am a very good shooter so I think i can handle a smaller elk, mostly going to be shooting whitetail and coyotes. I am going to put a vortex diamond back 4-20 on it. Hopefully I can get some good animals with it. If you think I should look into something else. I only have about 700$. Thanks

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