


February 03, 2009
"Females will demand to go hunting exactly once..."
By Kim Hiss
If a telemarketer interrupted your dinner last night, if another car cut you off on the way to work this morning, if you slipped on the ice in the parking lot or if someone let the elevator door slam in your face, I've found a person on whom to take out your pent-up angers and frustrations. Indeed, he seems to be asking for it.
Today, The American Spectator posted on its Web site what I assume is an opinion piece by St. Louis-based freelance writer Christopher Orlet titled, The Hunt for Gray February. It's basically about the social aspect of hunting, and why, when deprived of that outlet in the winter months, men go mad. It also includes some delightful perspectives on women. I'll say right up front that I hope the piece is meant to be tongue-in-cheek. But I think that's just a touch too generous.
Mr. Orlet, who seems to consider himself a hunter, is of the opinion that "conversation in a duck blind is taboo" and that the best way to be in the field is with, "A gun in one hand and a beer in the other." When it comes to women (whom he observers spend a lot of time "backstabbing and manipulating one another"), here are two choice excerpts:
"Sadly few women understand the importance of this male [hunting] ritual. Unlike the fair sex, men cannot sit on a cell phone for hours talking about what drives them crazy about other men..."
"It has been my experience that most females will demand to go hunting exactly once. Women naively see the hunt as a chance to bond with their boyfriends or husbands. Of course, their presence defeats its whole purpose which is to isolate oneself from female society for a few days, while regaining one's masculine bearings. Thus the smart men are likely to make the trip as unpleasant as possible. They may find the buggiest place in the swamp to make camp. They may choose the weekend of an expected ice storm. They will constantly remind their love-interest there is no talking allowed as it scares the game ..."
Among other things, the irony is that I can't think of a single person among my friends who fit the description of the typical female proffered by Mr. Orlet. I'm still deciding whether to make fun of him or feel sorry for him -- probably both. Getting angry seems as pointless as yelling at a pigeon for pooping on my windshield -- the poor little guy doesn't know any better and couldn't help it if he did. In the end, I'm usually more stunned than anything else to come across this kind of thing, regardless of the venue. Thoughts? Favorite excerpts of your own? (I noticed there's also a comments section under Mr. Orlet's piece. Not that we should encourage him.) -K.H.
Comments (42)
Mr. Orlet is a FOOL! Can't say it any differently than that. I'd feel sorry for him if my blood pressure hadn't sky rocketed while reading his article! (Guess I'm gonna' scream at the little pigeon for pooping on my windshield!).....
A hunter is a hunter, is a hunter......be they male or female. I'm absolutely sure that my reasons for hunting and the enjoyment of said sport is no different from his....or maybe I should say, from male hunters. I'm not so sure his reasons for being in the woods are the same as most male hunters! Wonder what it is he wants to escape from? Male (hunting) ritual, my A@!
His statement, "Thus the smart men are likely to make the trip as unpleasant as possible" shows how stupid he really is. My husband thinks he's a very lucky man to have a wife as his best friend and hunting partner! And his hunting buddies are all envious of him BECAUSE his wife hunts!!! Maybe Mr. Orlet should have checked with a a few of his hunting buddies before making such asinine statements. He comes accross sounding like, as I said before, a fool!
May I never ever get as "cold, bored, and miserable" as Mr. Orlet seems to think we male hunters get this time of year. This guy sorely needs a dose of something.
After watching me pursue wild game for 25 + years, my wife took the hunter safety course and got her license to hunt this fall. She simply decided that since she eats the animals, she will take a part in the harvest.
As for "male hunting rituals", I cannot say that I subscribe to any. My friends and I love our yearly traditions in various camps before, during, and after the hunting months and our wives are welcome to join us. Its really good to see my wife starting to develop her own set of traditions. Like knitting in a ground blind. I might add that she is city born and raised as well.
By his article, Mr Orlet strikes me as one guy who needs to get outside in the real world.
I don't think he really knows what he's talking about and it was poorly written IMO. I could picture an article like this being published years ago, but in today's world with women hunter numbers at their highest, come on.
I couldn't tell you how many guys would like for their significant other to go hunting and spend time outdoors with them.
What a self-absorbed troll. He probably still lives in his mother's basement.
One word: Neanderthal
This guy probably has a lifetime subscription to Esquire magazine. He doesn't understand that guys really would like their spouses to enjoy hunting with them the problem is getting them to try it and them getting them to enjoy it and WANT to do it again. I'd love it if my wife liked to hunt as much as I do,but she doesn't so I don't push it upon her. Maybe someday she'll want to go and hopefully I won't screw it up. Any suggestions K.H.??
I feel sorry for the guy. I wish my wife would come out more. It happens on occassion that she goes fishing, and it's generally a good day even though it admittedly doesn't hold her attention like it does mine. Spending the time outdoors with the woman you love? I'll take it. We still have hiking, backpacking, and biking.
Closet case. Beer in one hand and gun in another? Not only latent, but irresponsible. Two thumbs down. If only my sweet wife would join me hunting, how delightful it'd be.
I find my self wondering if my father-in-law has a nom de plume.
I just read the full article. I don't think sportswomen should feel singled out. The author doesn't seem to like anyone.
Hell, All . . .
When I can talk--or bribe--my 14-year old daughter into putting away her cell phone and her text messaging and her unending and busy social activities for a day or two here and there, she'll go with me out into the wilds and we'll always have a great time. We don't talk a whole lot when we're in the woods or in the fields, whether we're walking or hiking or hunting or are simply relaxing by a good fire in a nice camp. But on the other hand, we don't need to talk very much when we're "out there," because we're comfortable in each other's presence and we both love, and are at ease, in the wilds. My only regret is that my daughter is growing up way, way too fast, and someday far too soon she'll be up and off to college before I even know it. That's going to be a really proud day for me, and a really hard one.
T.W. Davidson
Amateurish at best. I am surprised that the 'Spectator would publish such. If this is an attempt at tongue and cheek humor it was in extremely bad taste and mean spirited at best.
As a southerner I am greatly offended by his statement, "You have a better chance of getting away with this if you live in the South and your rickety children are starved half to death." This statement completes a reflection and disposition of both arrogance and ignorance.
Upon retirement I would advise Mr. Orlet not to seek refuge with his ilk in the south. Even though we enjoy sunshine, good nutrition and have long ago discoverd the merits of Vitamin D in prevention of rickets, he would not be welcome!
Mr Orlet is a first-class "elbow" (insert appropriate anatomical reference here). He does none of us any favors, as we're all painted in a very negative light b his "piece".
I love it when my wife hunts with me. I'm planning to take her again next fall. Yes, she carried her own rifle, and shot her own deer, and yes she even helped to dress it.
I enjoy being out there alone sometimes, I know that my wife does too, she mows the lawn sometimes for the same reason, no distrctions, no interruptions, plenty of time to think.
Alaskan Exile
I think the writer was just trying to get a rise out of people unless he is truely that dumb. I enjoy time alone, but I also enjoy spending time in the outdoors with my wife, she loves to fish and hunt just like I do.
Some people are narrow minded and think they are experts, when in reality they are idiots who have a forum to express their one sided opinions.
I think the guy hit the nail on the head. Sorry. I grew up in the country (I mean country), and the gals I dated could camp, hunt & fish with us guys any day of the week. It wasn't unusual, they were a little rough around the edges but that's the way it was. But then I got older and the girls were a little different. Not so many of them liked the outdoors. They had to have tents and the weather had to be warm and if it rained the spirit on their face showed what they thought (take me home)!
This guy apparently lives somewhere within a hundred miles of me, and maybe had similar experience, but I do think he was making a tongue-in-cheek attempt of telling the way it is. To many girls are girliefied and to many men are too! I'm in my upper 50's and I never plan to marry again because I just can't find a country gal like I had when I was in my teens. Just My Opinion
I can't get my HUSBAND to go hunting with me!
I can't get my HUSBAND to go hunting with me!
Okay, I am not even going to read the article, because like Jan, I'm gonna get worked up over someone who is either trying to be funny or is stupid. I think it is a shame that more folks don't share thier hunting traditions with others, no matter who you are. Instead of having some patience and working with your "better half" to have a fun trip, this guy suggests to bomb the whole thing so he can have "man camp." Now I don't mind being alone sometimes, and it's okay if my husband wants to be alone too. But the "social aspects" of hunting at my camp include fun, games, kids, women, men, good food, and a roaring campfire. (Maybe some beer and whiskey too, if you are so inclined!) And for those of you who think that women don't want to be in the field with you, maybe you should ask them. You might be surprised (including you, Jim in Mo).
I just had a thought ... maybe this guy got outshot by his wife/girlfriend and is a little bitter!
Tongue in cheek is exactly how to take it. It reminds me of the 1950's when ladies ran the home and men worked 1 or 2 jobs to keep the home going. But that was 50 years ago, today if my girlfriend or my daughters want to learn to hunt, I will take them out hunting, and do everything possible to ensure that they have a safe and fun time. To me, hunting is a skill, and even though I haven't been out in a couple years by choice, I feel that it's always good to get out in the field and realize that there is more to the world than cellphones, traffic, and work.
OMG...surely this man is trying to be humorous, if not I hear an echo as the words are coming from somewhere other than his mouth.
He is correct on one point made and that is I did only DEMAND to go hunting once. From that day forward, with ya or without ya, I'm going hunting.
Most of the men I know that hunt, take their cell phone with them. Last fall while bow hunting I got to thinking what would happen if I fell out of the tree or got hung up getting up or down. When I told my husband about my thought he chewed me up one side and down the other about not taking my phone. I calmly told him, I was hunting, not visiting.
Our first bear hunt in Canada together, he sat in a stand directly behind me. When I hunt, I sit very still and make little noise. I could hear him behind me...stand up, sit down, stand up....
Later that week at camp the subject came up about being quiet in the blind and Scott piped right up and told the whole camp "I can't believe how quiet she sits in the blind, she doesn't even move".
And as for your gun in one hand and beer in the other. Yeah, I've done that too as I celebrated and awesome whitetail harvest and was shakin' like a dog poopin' razor blades. Had to be quite a site when help arrived to see me standing outside my blind but it was a celebration (and a calm down) it wasn't anything like Mr.Orlet had in mind.
I am very sensitive to this kind of thinking when it comes to women and hunting. I would have to look long and hard to find a man that loves the hunt as much as myself and the women who frequent this blog.
Mr. Orlet, if you wrote that article to get women's attention you did and 50 years ago we would have taken a rolling pin to the side of your head.
Now, Muzzy makes and awesome tip for our arrows that would put a helluva sting on your backside.
Girls rule!!!
JB
OMG...surely this man is trying to be humorous, if not I hear an echo as the words are coming from somewhere other than his mouth.
He is correct on one point made and that is I did only DEMAND to go hunting once. From that day forward, with ya or without ya, I'm going hunting.
Most of the men I know that hunt, take their cell phone with them. Last fall while bow hunting I got to thinking what would happen if I fell out of the tree or got hung up getting up or down. When I told my husband about my thought he chewed me up one side and down the other about not taking my phone. I calmly told him, I was hunting, not visiting.
Our first bear hunt in Canada together, he sat in a stand directly behind me. When I hunt, I sit very still and make little noise. I could hear him behind me...stand up, sit down, stand up....
Later that week at camp the subject came up about being quiet in the blind and Scott piped right up and told the whole camp "I can't believe how quiet she sits in the blind, she doesn't even move".
And as for your gun in one hand and beer in the other. Yeah, I've done that too as I celebrated and awesome whitetail harvest and was shakin' like a dog poopin' razor blades. Had to be quite a site when help arrived to see me standing outside my blind but it was a celebration (and a calm down) it wasn't anything like Mr.Orlet had in mind.
I am very sensitive to this kind of thinking when it comes to women and hunting. I would have to look long and hard to find a man that loves the hunt as much as myself and the women who frequent this blog.
Mr. Orlet, if you wrote that article to get women's attention you did and 50 years ago we would have taken a rolling pin to the side of your head.
Now, Muzzy makes and awesome tip for our arrows that would put a helluva sting on your backside.
Girls rule!!!
JB
"Troll," "Neanderthal," "parents' basement dweller," "Esquire subscriber" -- harsh words but they couldn't be slung at a more deserving person.
Our comments v.s. Mr. Orlet's essay certainly read as the forces of good v.s. evil; bitter solitude v.s. sharing tradition with family; the dark side v.s. the galaxy-saving ways of the force. How affirming to hear everyone talking about being out there with their wives and daughters. And ladies, how do we get Walt Smith's wife out there? If she flat out doesn't want to, that's one thing, but here are two resources if she has even a slight glimmer of interest.
Becoming an Outdoors Woman:
http://www.uwsp.edu/CNR/bow/
NRA's Women On Target:
http://www.nrahq.org/women/wot.asp
-Kim Hiss
I have a husband like Jan. He loves that I hunt and that I can hold my own. In fact I seem to have better hunting skills than most of the guys that have been down to hunt on our place. If you don't like to spend time with your wife, you must not like her to much.
Walt, try taking your wife out when the weather is agreeable. My husband made me some huts to hunt out of and they are great for interducing someone to the sport, they work great for kids too! Keep encourageing her, hopefuly she'll take the bait and get hooked :)
Kim, excellent idea...both organizations are terrific! I like Lou's suggestions also.
My daughter went with me a couple of times, and we sat in a very comfortable box stand. She liked it....but just never got "hooked". Same with fishing...she can take it or leave it. My granddaughter, (her daughter) loves it tho! She's 7 yrs. old and thinks every weekend should be spent in the woods or on the lake. If I get new gear....she wants the same stuff! She insists on helping with the drag when I shoot something, and isn't the least bit squemish about watching me field dress an animal. I'm sure she'll go thru a "stage" (probably in her teens) when she loses interest for a while....just like my son did when he got old enough to "start chasing does of the 2-legged variety"...but, like him, she'll come back to it. I'm also sure that one day some lucky guy is going to thank me for introducing her to the sport and encouraging her interest.
I understand humor and sarcasm - I have a student who is absolutely brilliant in this style of writing, managing to insult everyone and snicker about it when the outraged comments started coming in. He's hilarious.
But yeah, this was irritating. I'm just not a big fan of male hunters who piss all over the female gender because they're such a**holes that they can't find a good woman. Look in the mirror, guys. The problem might be YOU.
On a side note, I have to say that the most chatty people I've ever spent time with in a duck blind have been MEN. My girlfriends and I stay pretty focused out there.
if i find a woman that likes to hunt and/or fish i would be totally amazed. i live in one of the best states for both and haven't met one yet. what better way to bring two people together and contribute to the sports we love? had to leave my own comment on his page.
Hey, James, we're out here. And here's something to consider: Anecdotally, I've seen that most women who hunt started hunting because their husband or boyfriend invited them. That's how I started. So you don't have to find a huntress - just start with a good woman who at least supports your hunting/fishing, and invite her along.
As terrible as that sounds, the fact is that a fair number of men that feel this way. And I am not just talking about Neanderthals but educated men, both white and blue collar kinds of guys. It boils down to who they are as a person. Since I can not understand this attitude I can only assume that these types of guys either grew up not including ladies in outdoor activities or have that always have had issues with showing respect toward women. I really do not care to understand them. I can only say I feel no more respect for them than they do for me. I have no problem with guys going hunting, fishing or camping together. If that is a good time for them, they deserve the time to relax and cut loose with their friends. I also think that women deserve the same right of going hunting, if that is what they choose to do for enjoyment.
I can understand feeling that hunting as a form of escape from the pressures of life. I have been there myself. There is no place else that I can find absolute peace than being outdoors; weather hunting in the woods, fishing in a stream, or cooking over a campfire while the coyotes howl. But that does not mean that there is a Men’s Club sort of exclusion for women to not have the right to hunt, with or without a man. I also have been able to experience some hunting experiences with family members or friends, which can bring a richness that you do not experience when you hunt on your own. I was also fortunate enough to have began my hunting interest with the help of my brother and husband. And I look forward to hunting with my children when they grow up. But having said that, I really love the solitude also of hunting by myself.
I have been deer hunting for 15 years, and when I was younger enjoyed fishing and later quail hunting. I was previously a Bowhunter Education instructor for the state of Kansas for 7 years. I have been involved with Women in the Outdoors and am currently a writer for Women Hunter’s on line magazine. I have conducted seminars at various hunting expos, retail stores and private clubs. Even with the knowledge I have gained from my experiences and teaching, with the compliments from other successful individuals who I have met, and my personal successes as a hunter -there are men that do not think I could possibly know what I am talking about nor would they ever take the time of day to listen to a woman talk about hunting. That is just the world we live in. I do not expect to change it a great deal. I am thankful for the friends and family that support me and understand my addiction and passion for hunting.
Just because a wife or girlfriend show no interest in hunting, doesn't mean they wouldn't enjoy the experience once they tried it.
Invite them along and tell them to bring a book. If they like to read, it is an awesome place in the quiet of the blind to read your book. It is a step in the right direction, just inviting them along.
I can almost guarantee that the first time a deer steps onto the field, a coyote runs across your path or a group of turkeys fly into their roost the book will be closed.
It is an experience you just can't experience from your couch or chair, you have to experience from 20 yards away. I don't know a single person that would not say it was not one of the most awesome experiences they ever had. The sights and sounds will bring most women out again..guaranteed.
It has always been a given the hunting was a male sport and women got that pounded in their heads. It is no longer a men's only sport and I bet there are a lot of women that are just itching to be asked.
Give it a try...bet I'm right.
JB
Walt, have you considered sending you wife to a BOW weekend? In the one I went to several years ago a non-hunter could fill the weekend. Photography, botney, dutch oven cooking and much more to choose from. Maybe she would feel more comfotable if she had some knowledge under her belt. Outdoors first, hunting second.
I have always hunted with my dad, but I can only briefly describe the excitment when my fiance found out I hunted when we got together. It's so wonderful to have your best friend and companion enjoy the same things you do so passionately that they are willing to get up as early as need be to enjoy nature at its finest. As a female, I'll admit that sometimes the cold or early mornings do sway me from my decision to be a hunter, but once in the woods, nothing else matters.
It's a little disturbing to hear someone say comments like that and make them so general, because, of course, we all know that ALL women are EXACTLY alike and never have an opinion of their own....this guy is ridiculous. I only feel sorry for him for not finding someone that either enjoys the things that he enjoys or is able to let him enjoy them alone. Or that he hasn't found someone he has strong enough feelings for that he can take them with him to find out what it is that he loves to do. Apparently, the things that he loves to do is bash women hunters and get drunk. Very responsible guidance for societies readers...
Great points. Though I have to giggle: When I looked under your comment, there was an ad for Wild Turkey...
i tried doing the fishing thing first just to get a woman started slowly but the ones i've met lose interest if they aren't catching fish right away. i keep telling myself that i won't waste my time with anyone that doesn't at least fish because i got so much grief from my ex-wife for going fishing and hunting. unfortunately fishing and hunting are not things that i am ever willing to give up so i guess i just have to hope that someday a woman will come along that shares my interests. who would have thought it would be so hard to do that in colorado?
If only I could find a woman that wanted to go hunting with me... Personally I think it would be a dream come true!
FAKER! this guy is obviously a fraud, and doesn't know what he is talking about.
Craziness!! I guess my boyfriend must not be "smart"... hunting with him has never been miserable. And besides, he's too much of a gentleman!
Jan, nice work on getting the next generations of your family out there! And Girloves2bowhunt, it's painful that despite all you've clearly contributed to the hunting tradition there are still men who don't take you seriously. I'm afraid many of us have experienced that irony to some degree. -K.H.
Orlett obviously has not hunted with anyone under the age of 55. Most of us have wives who we respect, if not daughters, and that "taboo" duck blind talk is a thing of the past. Worthy of "eye rolling?" God yes. Taboo? Please.
Those of us with a lick of sense welcome new hunters - all new hunters - into the blind. Obviously Orlett hasn't spent much time afield. The wimpiness and just absolute flat-out LAZINESS of a large # of male hunters would put his "fair weather female" theory to shame.
And how many people hunt while drinking more than a sip from a flask anymore? To say nothing of the fact that it's illegal to drink while hunting in most states....
What a waste of print.
Orlett has cheered me up, now I KNOW for sure that there is someone getting even less (insert euphemism here) than me. Phew.
SBW
Those women are good luck charms and the smarter of the two sexes and we know it
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Mr. Orlet is a FOOL! Can't say it any differently than that. I'd feel sorry for him if my blood pressure hadn't sky rocketed while reading his article! (Guess I'm gonna' scream at the little pigeon for pooping on my windshield!).....
A hunter is a hunter, is a hunter......be they male or female. I'm absolutely sure that my reasons for hunting and the enjoyment of said sport is no different from his....or maybe I should say, from male hunters. I'm not so sure his reasons for being in the woods are the same as most male hunters! Wonder what it is he wants to escape from? Male (hunting) ritual, my A@!
His statement, "Thus the smart men are likely to make the trip as unpleasant as possible" shows how stupid he really is. My husband thinks he's a very lucky man to have a wife as his best friend and hunting partner! And his hunting buddies are all envious of him BECAUSE his wife hunts!!! Maybe Mr. Orlet should have checked with a a few of his hunting buddies before making such asinine statements. He comes accross sounding like, as I said before, a fool!
OMG...surely this man is trying to be humorous, if not I hear an echo as the words are coming from somewhere other than his mouth.
He is correct on one point made and that is I did only DEMAND to go hunting once. From that day forward, with ya or without ya, I'm going hunting.
Most of the men I know that hunt, take their cell phone with them. Last fall while bow hunting I got to thinking what would happen if I fell out of the tree or got hung up getting up or down. When I told my husband about my thought he chewed me up one side and down the other about not taking my phone. I calmly told him, I was hunting, not visiting.
Our first bear hunt in Canada together, he sat in a stand directly behind me. When I hunt, I sit very still and make little noise. I could hear him behind me...stand up, sit down, stand up....
Later that week at camp the subject came up about being quiet in the blind and Scott piped right up and told the whole camp "I can't believe how quiet she sits in the blind, she doesn't even move".
And as for your gun in one hand and beer in the other. Yeah, I've done that too as I celebrated and awesome whitetail harvest and was shakin' like a dog poopin' razor blades. Had to be quite a site when help arrived to see me standing outside my blind but it was a celebration (and a calm down) it wasn't anything like Mr.Orlet had in mind.
I am very sensitive to this kind of thinking when it comes to women and hunting. I would have to look long and hard to find a man that loves the hunt as much as myself and the women who frequent this blog.
Mr. Orlet, if you wrote that article to get women's attention you did and 50 years ago we would have taken a rolling pin to the side of your head.
Now, Muzzy makes and awesome tip for our arrows that would put a helluva sting on your backside.
Girls rule!!!
JB
What a self-absorbed troll. He probably still lives in his mother's basement.
Okay, I am not even going to read the article, because like Jan, I'm gonna get worked up over someone who is either trying to be funny or is stupid. I think it is a shame that more folks don't share thier hunting traditions with others, no matter who you are. Instead of having some patience and working with your "better half" to have a fun trip, this guy suggests to bomb the whole thing so he can have "man camp." Now I don't mind being alone sometimes, and it's okay if my husband wants to be alone too. But the "social aspects" of hunting at my camp include fun, games, kids, women, men, good food, and a roaring campfire. (Maybe some beer and whiskey too, if you are so inclined!) And for those of you who think that women don't want to be in the field with you, maybe you should ask them. You might be surprised (including you, Jim in Mo).
if i find a woman that likes to hunt and/or fish i would be totally amazed. i live in one of the best states for both and haven't met one yet. what better way to bring two people together and contribute to the sports we love? had to leave my own comment on his page.
As terrible as that sounds, the fact is that a fair number of men that feel this way. And I am not just talking about Neanderthals but educated men, both white and blue collar kinds of guys. It boils down to who they are as a person. Since I can not understand this attitude I can only assume that these types of guys either grew up not including ladies in outdoor activities or have that always have had issues with showing respect toward women. I really do not care to understand them. I can only say I feel no more respect for them than they do for me. I have no problem with guys going hunting, fishing or camping together. If that is a good time for them, they deserve the time to relax and cut loose with their friends. I also think that women deserve the same right of going hunting, if that is what they choose to do for enjoyment.
I can understand feeling that hunting as a form of escape from the pressures of life. I have been there myself. There is no place else that I can find absolute peace than being outdoors; weather hunting in the woods, fishing in a stream, or cooking over a campfire while the coyotes howl. But that does not mean that there is a Men’s Club sort of exclusion for women to not have the right to hunt, with or without a man. I also have been able to experience some hunting experiences with family members or friends, which can bring a richness that you do not experience when you hunt on your own. I was also fortunate enough to have began my hunting interest with the help of my brother and husband. And I look forward to hunting with my children when they grow up. But having said that, I really love the solitude also of hunting by myself.
I have been deer hunting for 15 years, and when I was younger enjoyed fishing and later quail hunting. I was previously a Bowhunter Education instructor for the state of Kansas for 7 years. I have been involved with Women in the Outdoors and am currently a writer for Women Hunter’s on line magazine. I have conducted seminars at various hunting expos, retail stores and private clubs. Even with the knowledge I have gained from my experiences and teaching, with the compliments from other successful individuals who I have met, and my personal successes as a hunter -there are men that do not think I could possibly know what I am talking about nor would they ever take the time of day to listen to a woman talk about hunting. That is just the world we live in. I do not expect to change it a great deal. I am thankful for the friends and family that support me and understand my addiction and passion for hunting.
May I never ever get as "cold, bored, and miserable" as Mr. Orlet seems to think we male hunters get this time of year. This guy sorely needs a dose of something.
After watching me pursue wild game for 25 + years, my wife took the hunter safety course and got her license to hunt this fall. She simply decided that since she eats the animals, she will take a part in the harvest.
As for "male hunting rituals", I cannot say that I subscribe to any. My friends and I love our yearly traditions in various camps before, during, and after the hunting months and our wives are welcome to join us. Its really good to see my wife starting to develop her own set of traditions. Like knitting in a ground blind. I might add that she is city born and raised as well.
By his article, Mr Orlet strikes me as one guy who needs to get outside in the real world.
One word: Neanderthal
Closet case. Beer in one hand and gun in another? Not only latent, but irresponsible. Two thumbs down. If only my sweet wife would join me hunting, how delightful it'd be.
Hell, All . . .
When I can talk--or bribe--my 14-year old daughter into putting away her cell phone and her text messaging and her unending and busy social activities for a day or two here and there, she'll go with me out into the wilds and we'll always have a great time. We don't talk a whole lot when we're in the woods or in the fields, whether we're walking or hiking or hunting or are simply relaxing by a good fire in a nice camp. But on the other hand, we don't need to talk very much when we're "out there," because we're comfortable in each other's presence and we both love, and are at ease, in the wilds. My only regret is that my daughter is growing up way, way too fast, and someday far too soon she'll be up and off to college before I even know it. That's going to be a really proud day for me, and a really hard one.
T.W. Davidson
"Troll," "Neanderthal," "parents' basement dweller," "Esquire subscriber" -- harsh words but they couldn't be slung at a more deserving person.
Our comments v.s. Mr. Orlet's essay certainly read as the forces of good v.s. evil; bitter solitude v.s. sharing tradition with family; the dark side v.s. the galaxy-saving ways of the force. How affirming to hear everyone talking about being out there with their wives and daughters. And ladies, how do we get Walt Smith's wife out there? If she flat out doesn't want to, that's one thing, but here are two resources if she has even a slight glimmer of interest.
Becoming an Outdoors Woman:
http://www.uwsp.edu/CNR/bow/
NRA's Women On Target:
http://www.nrahq.org/women/wot.asp
-Kim Hiss
I have a husband like Jan. He loves that I hunt and that I can hold my own. In fact I seem to have better hunting skills than most of the guys that have been down to hunt on our place. If you don't like to spend time with your wife, you must not like her to much.
Walt, try taking your wife out when the weather is agreeable. My husband made me some huts to hunt out of and they are great for interducing someone to the sport, they work great for kids too! Keep encourageing her, hopefuly she'll take the bait and get hooked :)
Hey, James, we're out here. And here's something to consider: Anecdotally, I've seen that most women who hunt started hunting because their husband or boyfriend invited them. That's how I started. So you don't have to find a huntress - just start with a good woman who at least supports your hunting/fishing, and invite her along.
Just because a wife or girlfriend show no interest in hunting, doesn't mean they wouldn't enjoy the experience once they tried it.
Invite them along and tell them to bring a book. If they like to read, it is an awesome place in the quiet of the blind to read your book. It is a step in the right direction, just inviting them along.
I can almost guarantee that the first time a deer steps onto the field, a coyote runs across your path or a group of turkeys fly into their roost the book will be closed.
It is an experience you just can't experience from your couch or chair, you have to experience from 20 yards away. I don't know a single person that would not say it was not one of the most awesome experiences they ever had. The sights and sounds will bring most women out again..guaranteed.
It has always been a given the hunting was a male sport and women got that pounded in their heads. It is no longer a men's only sport and I bet there are a lot of women that are just itching to be asked.
Give it a try...bet I'm right.
JB
Walt, have you considered sending you wife to a BOW weekend? In the one I went to several years ago a non-hunter could fill the weekend. Photography, botney, dutch oven cooking and much more to choose from. Maybe she would feel more comfotable if she had some knowledge under her belt. Outdoors first, hunting second.
i tried doing the fishing thing first just to get a woman started slowly but the ones i've met lose interest if they aren't catching fish right away. i keep telling myself that i won't waste my time with anyone that doesn't at least fish because i got so much grief from my ex-wife for going fishing and hunting. unfortunately fishing and hunting are not things that i am ever willing to give up so i guess i just have to hope that someday a woman will come along that shares my interests. who would have thought it would be so hard to do that in colorado?
Orlett has cheered me up, now I KNOW for sure that there is someone getting even less (insert euphemism here) than me. Phew.
SBW
I don't think he really knows what he's talking about and it was poorly written IMO. I could picture an article like this being published years ago, but in today's world with women hunter numbers at their highest, come on.
I couldn't tell you how many guys would like for their significant other to go hunting and spend time outdoors with them.
This guy probably has a lifetime subscription to Esquire magazine. He doesn't understand that guys really would like their spouses to enjoy hunting with them the problem is getting them to try it and them getting them to enjoy it and WANT to do it again. I'd love it if my wife liked to hunt as much as I do,but she doesn't so I don't push it upon her. Maybe someday she'll want to go and hopefully I won't screw it up. Any suggestions K.H.??
I feel sorry for the guy. I wish my wife would come out more. It happens on occassion that she goes fishing, and it's generally a good day even though it admittedly doesn't hold her attention like it does mine. Spending the time outdoors with the woman you love? I'll take it. We still have hiking, backpacking, and biking.
I find my self wondering if my father-in-law has a nom de plume.
I just read the full article. I don't think sportswomen should feel singled out. The author doesn't seem to like anyone.
Amateurish at best. I am surprised that the 'Spectator would publish such. If this is an attempt at tongue and cheek humor it was in extremely bad taste and mean spirited at best.
As a southerner I am greatly offended by his statement, "You have a better chance of getting away with this if you live in the South and your rickety children are starved half to death." This statement completes a reflection and disposition of both arrogance and ignorance.
Upon retirement I would advise Mr. Orlet not to seek refuge with his ilk in the south. Even though we enjoy sunshine, good nutrition and have long ago discoverd the merits of Vitamin D in prevention of rickets, he would not be welcome!
Mr Orlet is a first-class "elbow" (insert appropriate anatomical reference here). He does none of us any favors, as we're all painted in a very negative light b his "piece".
I love it when my wife hunts with me. I'm planning to take her again next fall. Yes, she carried her own rifle, and shot her own deer, and yes she even helped to dress it.
I enjoy being out there alone sometimes, I know that my wife does too, she mows the lawn sometimes for the same reason, no distrctions, no interruptions, plenty of time to think.
Alaskan Exile
I think the writer was just trying to get a rise out of people unless he is truely that dumb. I enjoy time alone, but I also enjoy spending time in the outdoors with my wife, she loves to fish and hunt just like I do.
Some people are narrow minded and think they are experts, when in reality they are idiots who have a forum to express their one sided opinions.
I think the guy hit the nail on the head. Sorry. I grew up in the country (I mean country), and the gals I dated could camp, hunt & fish with us guys any day of the week. It wasn't unusual, they were a little rough around the edges but that's the way it was. But then I got older and the girls were a little different. Not so many of them liked the outdoors. They had to have tents and the weather had to be warm and if it rained the spirit on their face showed what they thought (take me home)!
This guy apparently lives somewhere within a hundred miles of me, and maybe had similar experience, but I do think he was making a tongue-in-cheek attempt of telling the way it is. To many girls are girliefied and to many men are too! I'm in my upper 50's and I never plan to marry again because I just can't find a country gal like I had when I was in my teens. Just My Opinion
I can't get my HUSBAND to go hunting with me!
I can't get my HUSBAND to go hunting with me!
I just had a thought ... maybe this guy got outshot by his wife/girlfriend and is a little bitter!
Tongue in cheek is exactly how to take it. It reminds me of the 1950's when ladies ran the home and men worked 1 or 2 jobs to keep the home going. But that was 50 years ago, today if my girlfriend or my daughters want to learn to hunt, I will take them out hunting, and do everything possible to ensure that they have a safe and fun time. To me, hunting is a skill, and even though I haven't been out in a couple years by choice, I feel that it's always good to get out in the field and realize that there is more to the world than cellphones, traffic, and work.
OMG...surely this man is trying to be humorous, if not I hear an echo as the words are coming from somewhere other than his mouth.
He is correct on one point made and that is I did only DEMAND to go hunting once. From that day forward, with ya or without ya, I'm going hunting.
Most of the men I know that hunt, take their cell phone with them. Last fall while bow hunting I got to thinking what would happen if I fell out of the tree or got hung up getting up or down. When I told my husband about my thought he chewed me up one side and down the other about not taking my phone. I calmly told him, I was hunting, not visiting.
Our first bear hunt in Canada together, he sat in a stand directly behind me. When I hunt, I sit very still and make little noise. I could hear him behind me...stand up, sit down, stand up....
Later that week at camp the subject came up about being quiet in the blind and Scott piped right up and told the whole camp "I can't believe how quiet she sits in the blind, she doesn't even move".
And as for your gun in one hand and beer in the other. Yeah, I've done that too as I celebrated and awesome whitetail harvest and was shakin' like a dog poopin' razor blades. Had to be quite a site when help arrived to see me standing outside my blind but it was a celebration (and a calm down) it wasn't anything like Mr.Orlet had in mind.
I am very sensitive to this kind of thinking when it comes to women and hunting. I would have to look long and hard to find a man that loves the hunt as much as myself and the women who frequent this blog.
Mr. Orlet, if you wrote that article to get women's attention you did and 50 years ago we would have taken a rolling pin to the side of your head.
Now, Muzzy makes and awesome tip for our arrows that would put a helluva sting on your backside.
Girls rule!!!
JB
Kim, excellent idea...both organizations are terrific! I like Lou's suggestions also.
My daughter went with me a couple of times, and we sat in a very comfortable box stand. She liked it....but just never got "hooked". Same with fishing...she can take it or leave it. My granddaughter, (her daughter) loves it tho! She's 7 yrs. old and thinks every weekend should be spent in the woods or on the lake. If I get new gear....she wants the same stuff! She insists on helping with the drag when I shoot something, and isn't the least bit squemish about watching me field dress an animal. I'm sure she'll go thru a "stage" (probably in her teens) when she loses interest for a while....just like my son did when he got old enough to "start chasing does of the 2-legged variety"...but, like him, she'll come back to it. I'm also sure that one day some lucky guy is going to thank me for introducing her to the sport and encouraging her interest.
I understand humor and sarcasm - I have a student who is absolutely brilliant in this style of writing, managing to insult everyone and snicker about it when the outraged comments started coming in. He's hilarious.
But yeah, this was irritating. I'm just not a big fan of male hunters who piss all over the female gender because they're such a**holes that they can't find a good woman. Look in the mirror, guys. The problem might be YOU.
On a side note, I have to say that the most chatty people I've ever spent time with in a duck blind have been MEN. My girlfriends and I stay pretty focused out there.
I have always hunted with my dad, but I can only briefly describe the excitment when my fiance found out I hunted when we got together. It's so wonderful to have your best friend and companion enjoy the same things you do so passionately that they are willing to get up as early as need be to enjoy nature at its finest. As a female, I'll admit that sometimes the cold or early mornings do sway me from my decision to be a hunter, but once in the woods, nothing else matters.
It's a little disturbing to hear someone say comments like that and make them so general, because, of course, we all know that ALL women are EXACTLY alike and never have an opinion of their own....this guy is ridiculous. I only feel sorry for him for not finding someone that either enjoys the things that he enjoys or is able to let him enjoy them alone. Or that he hasn't found someone he has strong enough feelings for that he can take them with him to find out what it is that he loves to do. Apparently, the things that he loves to do is bash women hunters and get drunk. Very responsible guidance for societies readers...
Great points. Though I have to giggle: When I looked under your comment, there was an ad for Wild Turkey...
If only I could find a woman that wanted to go hunting with me... Personally I think it would be a dream come true!
FAKER! this guy is obviously a fraud, and doesn't know what he is talking about.
Craziness!! I guess my boyfriend must not be "smart"... hunting with him has never been miserable. And besides, he's too much of a gentleman!
Jan, nice work on getting the next generations of your family out there! And Girloves2bowhunt, it's painful that despite all you've clearly contributed to the hunting tradition there are still men who don't take you seriously. I'm afraid many of us have experienced that irony to some degree. -K.H.
Orlett obviously has not hunted with anyone under the age of 55. Most of us have wives who we respect, if not daughters, and that "taboo" duck blind talk is a thing of the past. Worthy of "eye rolling?" God yes. Taboo? Please.
Those of us with a lick of sense welcome new hunters - all new hunters - into the blind. Obviously Orlett hasn't spent much time afield. The wimpiness and just absolute flat-out LAZINESS of a large # of male hunters would put his "fair weather female" theory to shame.
And how many people hunt while drinking more than a sip from a flask anymore? To say nothing of the fact that it's illegal to drink while hunting in most states....
What a waste of print.
Those women are good luck charms and the smarter of the two sexes and we know it
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