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March 18, 2009

ATVs Banned On 200 Miles of Montana Trails

By Dave Hurteau

From the Great Falls Tribune:
Citing the need to protect unspoiled wildlife habitat and lands with cultural significance to the Blackfeet Tribe, the U.S. Forest has banned motorized travel on almost 200 miles of trails in northcentral Montana's Badger-Two Medicine area.

The decision, announced Monday, is part of a travel plan for that section of Lewis and Clark National Forest.

Few places in the United States rival the solitude, wildlife viewing and hunting afforded by the 130,000-acre Badger-Two Medicine, which tipped the scale in favor of travel by foot, horse and bicycle, Forest Supervisor Spike Thompson said.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I can see where they are coming from here and do not want local wildlife to be disturbed, but older people are going to suffer from this and not be able to get outside like they once did on ATV's. I don't know many people over 60 who would be willing to jump on a horse or walk these 200 miles... but i guess the other half is that there are parts besides these 200 miles they can drive through.

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from HogBlog wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I'm glad to see it. I understand that there needs to be wild areas available to all of us, regardless of how we like to visit (quad, horse, foot, etc.), but there should be areas that are free from the danged noisemakers too. I am not alone in the feeling that my wilderness experience is destroyed the moment I hear the whine and rumble of quads and dirt bikes.

As far as old folks not being able to ride horseback... check the rosters at many of the endurance trail riding events... plenty of 60-year-olds and older are riding 25 to 100 mile competitions.

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from Christian Emter wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I guess to many people are using the area irresponsibly. Or they are getting ready for another Montana fire season.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I think this is a great thing they've done.

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from ken.mcloud wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Clinton did a lot of this too, declaring large tracts federal land off-limits to wheeled vehicles. I am on the fence on this issue.

I've spent a lot of time riding quads and bikes through the Adirondacks and the woods of northern Michigan.

I'm not convinced that the engines scare off wildlife long-term. They might be initially spooked, but they become desensitized to the noise. some of the closest encounters I've ever had with deer were on a quad. I suspect they don't recognize the outline as human and think you are some sort of very strange animal.

In my opinion the real problem with quads and bikes is erosion. I've seen places where the trail has worn itself 4 or 5 feet into the surrounding topography. This forms an artificial stream gully and the problem just gets worse even if no one is riding. A lot of that dirt ends up in trout streams and can kill trout eggs.

If trails are placed along routes specially chosen for the region's topography and then annually maintained erosion can be almost entirely stopped. The problem is that very few trails are maintained by clubs / land owners. Even fewer still had their routes chosen by someone with the knowledge of erosion. (the usual method is to pick the route that requires you to cut down the fewest trees)

I wonder if this whole issue will die away in a few years if electric bikes and quads become available and popular? It wouldn't do anything to solve the erosion problem, but most people seem to be primarily concerned with the noise. Electric motors certainly eliminate that problem.

I'm not saying I have a solution, just offering my two cents.

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from idahooutdoors wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

They are always pushing for more and more of this here in Idaho as well. It is good to have preotected wild areas, but we also need to make sure we are not so restrictive on access that people can no longer enjoy public grounds. There are roads being closed left and right around here, which sounds good in theory, but the majority of the area is already roadless and provides plenty of backcountry solitude for those seeking it. We need to find a happy medium, I am tired of hearing out of state politicians and enviro's talk about obliterating unused roads, "unused by who, we still use them". I enjoy some atv riding with the family, in addition to back country hiking trips, so I don't see why we can't leave well enough alone, there seems to be a balance already in place.

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from s-kfry wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I agree with HogBlog, don't like the things and would be fine if they were more limited. They are too often abused rather than properly used.

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from kolbster wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

i dont think they should have banned it, they should have limited it more.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

Last Monday, when I contacted Congressman John Boozman Office about the Ammunition Accountability Laws and by the way what I was told there is no legislation on the Federal level at this time, only at the state level. You can check it out at http://www.ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
I asked about the closure and off limits to National Forests. I was put thru to a the Congressman’s Office that handles this and was told the Forest Department has become to put in simple terms overzealous with the need to shut down ORV’s all together.
What I’ve found that, Government/Public Lands has become land locked by the only access is thru private property thus making that an area a private resort to those land owners and to do whatever they want. Last deer season I hiked up on top of a ridge that is land locked and herd several shots by one of the land owners on Forest Property downing 4 deer. His other bodies showed up quickly to claim the deer. They also accused me of being on private property that they discovered I knew better and scurried off. I called Fish and Game and because I did not see it, I couldn’t prove it. Also that area is doe’s by permit only and I find it difficult to believe each one of them having permit.
This ATVs Banned on 200 Miles of Montana Trails sounds like the poster child for what happened what happened in Kaibab in 1906, President Theodore Roosevelt established the Grand Canyon National Game Preserve on the Kaibab Plateau. His intention was to protect the mule deer from overhunting by humans and predation by natural enemies. He knew that human activities had depleted wildlife species throughout the country, and only a few locations in the West still contained the numbers that had flourished a few decades earlier. Roosevelt hoped that future generations of wildlife enthusiasts would be able to visit the Kaibab Plateau to witness an abundance of wildlife not remaining elsewhere.

Read these links about the Kaibab and it will change the way you think and give you factual knowledge in conservation.

http://depts.alverno.edu/nsmt/youngcc/research/kaibab/kaibab.html

http://depts.alverno.edu/nsmt/youngcc/research/kaibab/story1.html

http://depts.alverno.edu/nsmt/youngcc/research/kaibab/story2.html

http://depts.alverno.edu/nsmt/youngcc/research/kaibab/story3.html

What does shutting down legit trails really do?
One thing for sure it makes it hell on us Disabled Vets!

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I can see where they are coming from here and do not want local wildlife to be disturbed, but older people are going to suffer from this and not be able to get outside like they once did on ATV's. I don't know many people over 60 who would be willing to jump on a horse or walk these 200 miles... but i guess the other half is that there are parts besides these 200 miles they can drive through.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I think this is a great thing they've done.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from s-kfry wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I agree with HogBlog, don't like the things and would be fine if they were more limited. They are too often abused rather than properly used.

+2 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

Last Monday, when I contacted Congressman John Boozman Office about the Ammunition Accountability Laws and by the way what I was told there is no legislation on the Federal level at this time, only at the state level. You can check it out at http://www.ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm
I asked about the closure and off limits to National Forests. I was put thru to a the Congressman’s Office that handles this and was told the Forest Department has become to put in simple terms overzealous with the need to shut down ORV’s all together.
What I’ve found that, Government/Public Lands has become land locked by the only access is thru private property thus making that an area a private resort to those land owners and to do whatever they want. Last deer season I hiked up on top of a ridge that is land locked and herd several shots by one of the land owners on Forest Property downing 4 deer. His other bodies showed up quickly to claim the deer. They also accused me of being on private property that they discovered I knew better and scurried off. I called Fish and Game and because I did not see it, I couldn’t prove it. Also that area is doe’s by permit only and I find it difficult to believe each one of them having permit.
This ATVs Banned on 200 Miles of Montana Trails sounds like the poster child for what happened what happened in Kaibab in 1906, President Theodore Roosevelt established the Grand Canyon National Game Preserve on the Kaibab Plateau. His intention was to protect the mule deer from overhunting by humans and predation by natural enemies. He knew that human activities had depleted wildlife species throughout the country, and only a few locations in the West still contained the numbers that had flourished a few decades earlier. Roosevelt hoped that future generations of wildlife enthusiasts would be able to visit the Kaibab Plateau to witness an abundance of wildlife not remaining elsewhere.

Read these links about the Kaibab and it will change the way you think and give you factual knowledge in conservation.

http://depts.alverno.edu/nsmt/youngcc/research/kaibab/kaibab.html

http://depts.alverno.edu/nsmt/youngcc/research/kaibab/story1.html

http://depts.alverno.edu/nsmt/youngcc/research/kaibab/story2.html

http://depts.alverno.edu/nsmt/youngcc/research/kaibab/story3.html

What does shutting down legit trails really do?
One thing for sure it makes it hell on us Disabled Vets!

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from HogBlog wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I'm glad to see it. I understand that there needs to be wild areas available to all of us, regardless of how we like to visit (quad, horse, foot, etc.), but there should be areas that are free from the danged noisemakers too. I am not alone in the feeling that my wilderness experience is destroyed the moment I hear the whine and rumble of quads and dirt bikes.

As far as old folks not being able to ride horseback... check the rosters at many of the endurance trail riding events... plenty of 60-year-olds and older are riding 25 to 100 mile competitions.

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from Christian Emter wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

I guess to many people are using the area irresponsibly. Or they are getting ready for another Montana fire season.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from ken.mcloud wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

Clinton did a lot of this too, declaring large tracts federal land off-limits to wheeled vehicles. I am on the fence on this issue.

I've spent a lot of time riding quads and bikes through the Adirondacks and the woods of northern Michigan.

I'm not convinced that the engines scare off wildlife long-term. They might be initially spooked, but they become desensitized to the noise. some of the closest encounters I've ever had with deer were on a quad. I suspect they don't recognize the outline as human and think you are some sort of very strange animal.

In my opinion the real problem with quads and bikes is erosion. I've seen places where the trail has worn itself 4 or 5 feet into the surrounding topography. This forms an artificial stream gully and the problem just gets worse even if no one is riding. A lot of that dirt ends up in trout streams and can kill trout eggs.

If trails are placed along routes specially chosen for the region's topography and then annually maintained erosion can be almost entirely stopped. The problem is that very few trails are maintained by clubs / land owners. Even fewer still had their routes chosen by someone with the knowledge of erosion. (the usual method is to pick the route that requires you to cut down the fewest trees)

I wonder if this whole issue will die away in a few years if electric bikes and quads become available and popular? It wouldn't do anything to solve the erosion problem, but most people seem to be primarily concerned with the noise. Electric motors certainly eliminate that problem.

I'm not saying I have a solution, just offering my two cents.

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from idahooutdoors wrote 2 years 46 weeks ago

They are always pushing for more and more of this here in Idaho as well. It is good to have preotected wild areas, but we also need to make sure we are not so restrictive on access that people can no longer enjoy public grounds. There are roads being closed left and right around here, which sounds good in theory, but the majority of the area is already roadless and provides plenty of backcountry solitude for those seeking it. We need to find a happy medium, I am tired of hearing out of state politicians and enviro's talk about obliterating unused roads, "unused by who, we still use them". I enjoy some atv riding with the family, in addition to back country hiking trips, so I don't see why we can't leave well enough alone, there seems to be a balance already in place.

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from kolbster wrote 2 years 45 weeks ago

i dont think they should have banned it, they should have limited it more.

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