


March 13, 2009
The Meat Not Eaten
By Kim Hiss
When talking to non-hunters, I often make the argument that hunting brings me closer to the meat I eat. When I'm having antelope for dinner, I feel better about what's on my plate than I did about the store-bought chicken the night before. I'm sure for most of us, that food connection is a big part of our identity as hunters.
So I was surprised, when reading the Washington Post food blog A Mighty Appetite this morning, to see a hunter downplay that very connection. She was a guest blogger contributing her thoughts about minimizing food waste by challenging herself to use up the half-eaten contents of her fridge. She was going on about sustainability, organic locavores and the White House garden, when she switched gears and announced that she was also a bowhunter.
Although she portrayed herself as a city girl who loves Prada, she said she's accustomed to riding horseback for hours, tracking to dizzying heights, and dropping an elk with, "A single perfect shot that stops time." But she said she's kept from cleaning her kills by her male hunting partners, who give her what she terms the "Princess Pass," a kind a waiver policy that gets petite, female hunters like herself out of doing the messy work. She claimed the "Princess Pass," combined with the average range of a gun or bow shot, makes hunting a, "Distance sport," explaining:
"You are relatively far from your kill, even with a bow, and if you're not dealing with your own meat, well, you may as well be shooting paper at your local range... After a while, you stop experiencing any kind of transcendence, you're not really watching the Holy Light of Numinous Life flicker out of a fellow travelers' eyes. And there's no spiritual transaction while eating, because you'd known the animal while it was still alive, or any of the other blather foodists who hunt will have you believe."
She went on to say she discovered a much closer connection to the meat she eats when she learned kosher slaughter techniques, an experience that still gives her nightmares about, "Killing by hand." She closed her comments by saying her self-challenge to empty her fridge was stalled by her inability to eat the meat she'd butchered: "I can't even bring myself to look at something I've killed, up close, months ago because for once it was really a face to face experience." She ended up giving the meat to a neighbor.
Interesting perspectives. I applaud her exploration into butchering, and of course her bowhunting experiences. While I can't speak to her thoughts on butchering because I've never done it myself, as a hunter I can say that I've watched the life leave the eyes of an animal I've shot. And I've kept that experience close to me both when cleaning and eating the meat. I don't need a "spiritual transaction" while enjoying my antelope dinner to make my connection to the animal real. My memory of and gratitude for that animal are enough as far as I'm concerned. And I don't consider that, "Blather." -K.H.
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I personally don't feel any spiritual or emotional anything when i'm eating my kill.
Wait, there might be some kind of happiness the taste gives me. . . .
Nate
This person needs to stop hunting. I have no problem killing an animal in order to provide for my needs (and in the process having a really good time doing it) but there is a level of responsibility here. If you are going to take life you need to square up to what you have done and properly use what remains. Having some transindental brain fart and not being able “to look at something I've killed” is a load of poopy (sorry, need to keep this clean for the kids). And byond that, this kind of drivel is what makes the hunting community look really, really bad and worse, weak.
This gal needs to disconnect from what was and what is. Every creature had a face, every vegetable had a period of life. I had deer steaks and fried okra last night and remembering the site of that beautiful garden only enhanced the taste. And I got great stisfaction from the deer too.
She should give up hunting. If you do not have any connections or fealings toward the animal that you just harvested what is the point. She obviouly isn't hunting for the meat. So if she has no emotional responce to the hunt and will not eat the meat what is the point of her hunting. One year I let someone hunt at our farm with us and he seemed to just shoot the deer just to say he shot them, he did not get excited and he did not keep the meat. Needless to say he was never invited back.
This lady obviously is not a "True" Hunter. I am not saying that every hunter feels a great sense of pride when eating, but they at least have respect for the animal they are persuing. If she uses her "princess pass" and they does not eat the meat, what is she hunting for? I personally butcher all the animals I harvest myself, and I know when I prepare them for dinner there is a sense of accomplishment that I provided this meal for myself and is just another way for me to relive the memorable hunt.
She seems kinda confused and conflicted. Bottom line, if she's not willing to eat her take, then she should stop hunting. I don't have a problem with people who can't deal with the reality of where meat comes from, so long as they never try to restrict my freedoms on the matter.
Sounds to me that the lady is writing to the reader base in trying to be PC. She might not get published again if the readers knew that she actually liked eating what she harvested.
I think that Princess there might not actually be a hunter, just from the sound of things anyhow. I can't say that I feel anything too special when I'm eating the meat from my kills. I like how you said it Kim, ("My memory of and gratitude for that animal are enough as far as I'm concerned.")
I feel it is rewarding to eat food i put on the table with my own hands and toil, not unlike my tomatoes or anything else from my garden, or fish i catch. Eating game i kill is one way to be sure the meat is hormone and chemical free, and handled properly. I do have respect for the animals i hunt and appreciate them on my table.
Anyone that can compare the feeling you get from hunting to shooting paper at the range should not be hunting. Everytime you take a life there shoould be some emotion involved.
On eating meat that i killed: I love the fact that i know how it was butchered.
On the "Princess": WOW those comments make me sad. She really does sound like a Prada wearing city girl who has never had to do anything for herself.
I like a girl that hunts, but this girl is retarded. Most girls could have cleaned their kill if they wanted to. The guys might try to do it for her, but she should jump in there anyways. Anybody that hunts should clean what they kill, and that includes girls. By the way, I don't have a problem with other people helping, but the shooter should be involved one way or another.
Sounds to me like it was chivalrous men that unintentionally separated her from the actual kill to the dinner table for years. Doing it all herself by hand was an eye-opening experience for her. Sounds like she had no problem eating elk before, and that the meat she couldn't eat was actually beef she killed and butchered herself in the kosher slaughterhouse.
The enlightening moment for me came when I was finally allowed to partake in the butchering of our chickens. These were our pets, or so I thought until that day. I couldn't eat the chicken that first night ... it had a face and a name ... but I eventually came to terms with it all. Must have been about 6.
She puts herself down by calling herself a "P" and accepts her need for disconnection. But perhaps she'll come to terms and hunt again. I hope she is able to take it all the way from field to table next time, or she may not try again.
I do disagree with her that disconnecting yourself from the fact that meat was once a living animal is necessary. I think it is crucial, as well as knowing that the plants we eat are also alive.
So, is the moral for men to back off and to let the women and kids experience the whole process?
I grew up on a farm and personally knew the domesticated meat on the table and I was responsible for part of the wild meat. I too have seen the light leave their eyes and felt the warmth leave thier bodies. Death is always close and personal to the hunter. I am aware of my actions as a hunter and also hold grand reverence and appreciation for what the good earth provides, both plant and animal. I thank both God and the animal for the food they provide for my table.
I once had an experience in guiding a young (late 20's) female TV host in her quest to capture the essence of a women's only WMA hunt on film. She could have been fairly described as the Princess type. She even wore designer camo and as she referred to it, a "woodsy perfume." At dinner she also passed on trying the skillfully prepared venison loin chops. She just couldn't eat them because she had seen the deer being butchered several days before.
Her attitude was that hunting was "experience" oriented in that once you killed it, it was time to move on to life's next experience. In fact, upon getting the closing shot of the dead yearling doe she killed, she promptly left the WMA in her SUV, cell phone to her ear. Her crew members left behind to clean up after her.
We as a civilization have gotten further and further from the land. Most people are not willing to look their meat in the face and then go through with the necessary steps to provide protein for the table. Sterile styrofoam and plastic wrap have eliminated them from the awarness of the requirements for survival. In other words they can not "swallow" the truth...
Want to hear something make you sad; when I transferred to Luke AFB Arizona from Eielson AFB Alaska I had a deepfreeze full of halibut, salmon, caribou, trout and moose!
Kim, thanks so much for bringing this to our attention. I'll say here what I just said on the Washington Post blog:
Wow, where to begin?
1. I recommend kicking those men in the shins with your Pradas. There are plenty of 5-foot-2, 90-pound children in America who can dress an elk just fine. Taking responsibility for the animal you just killed is an important part of hunting; for them to deprive you of that, and for you to let them, is flat out wrong.
2. I understand being reluctant to COOK what you killed. Personally, I'm always afraid I'll screw it up and dishonor the animal. But to not want to eat it? Criminal waste of a life. Really, slitting an animal's throat only to let it die a second death of freezer burn? Nuts.
3. May as well be shooting paper at the range? Good lord, even letting the men pamper you, you should feel the difference between shooting paper and shooting an animal. If you don't feel at least a twinge of sadness when you take an animal's life - at any distance - perhaps you shouldn't be hunting.
4. "And there’s no spiritual transaction while eating, because you’d known the animal while it was still alive, or any of the other blather foodists who hunt will have you believe." Speak for yourself honey. Those of us who DO feel a deep connection with the food we've hunted resent being dismissed by someone who doesn't even field dress her animals.
Maybe you should just be a vegetarian. I hunt, because I've decided I am happy being an omnivore and I am willing to take personal responsibility for what that means. But it sounds like you don't have the stomach for it. And while it's usually nice to hear about other female hunters out there, I know I speak for plenty of hunters when I say we don't want someone like you representing us.
Clay Cooper: That's really really rough man. I think you made my mouth water.
But often times when I down a goose, or duck. It's just winged. I've had to dispatch with my hands probably about 50 birds. I prefer instant kills, maybe with the $40-50 premium nontoxic box of 10 shells might do me better. But that just seems rediculous amount of money for what you get. But I digress, I can't say I feel any spiritual about the game I take. But I do take great care into getting everything to the table. I spent an hour searching for a duck that I lost.
But people who hunt and can't deal with the death, and butchering of the animal aren't hunters. And anyone who hunts just for the trophy aren't hunters either, they are killers.
i really don't think this woman is a hunter and if she is, she shouldn't be.
Bravo NorCal!
Unfortunately people reading this article are going to wonder whether to eat it or try to set it free from the fridge.
Unfortunately after reading the comment about the "princess pass" I feel that she's not a real hunter, but just a trigger person. Unfortunately I'm guilty of doing the same thing fishing with my girlfriend.
As a wise oldtimer told me, "anyone can learn to pull a trigger, without feeling or remorse. But the real hunter knows that the shot counted, and a real hunter connects with their game when the deed is done"
I'm all for letting the person who got the kill, confirm and field dress it out, as that's a part of hunting. I've seen people get sick doing it, and offered to assist them, but I do insist on them participating, even if they are getting green around the gills. Reason for this is so that they have a connection to their game, and those lessons will kick in when out in the field by themselves, making them better at what they are doing.
Last year during fishing season, my girlfriend wouldn't even touch a fish, even with gloves on, so I would do the handling and unhooking. This year she actually asked me if I would show her how to handle a fish, let her touch one the next time we go out fishing. I told her that would be fine, and I would show her how it's done, so when she goes out by herself, she'll be ready to handle unhooking the fish without help.
I swear the media hires fakers to make us look worse...
This "Princess" should go shopping and not hunting. There is no greater reward after harvesting the animal you have hunted than cooking and sharing it with friends and family. From the venison steaks that I cook and share with friends at our camp to the sausage that I share with fellow shooters at bow league, I could not celebrate the harvest any better.
I have told in prior postings that I have never cleaned an animal that I have harvested as I have a husband and son that insist on doing that for me. BUT, that is not to say that I have not been up to my elbows inside that animal helping and I know if the day came when nobody was there to help me, I could do it on my own. I insist on being a part of it as I want to know where I my arrow or bullet hit, what I did right or what I did wrong.
For the most part, we butcher or have butchered every animal we harvest. If we are unable to bring an animal home from a hunt, it is given to someone who will enjoy it.
I feel bad for people that use hunting as a tool. One to gain attention in what was once a man's world as if to say "look at me, I am a hunter". Being sure that this girl is one of those that Jeff Foxworthy tells about "bringing her purse to the blind", I think she would find the mall a better hunting ground than out in the woods.
This lady makes me sad as I live and breath for my next hunt. She has and will never know the true hunting experience. All she knows is killing. Very, very sad.
JB
Let me try to rephrase this … the way I read the article, getting through the literary fluff, the author’s slaughterhouse experience made her intimately aware of the connection between a living animal and the meat in her fridge. Her Princess Pass, pushed onto her by her doting male friends and long accepted by her, had removed that awareness. She admits that what she had been doing might as well have been shooting paper since she had become so detached. The experience changed her perception of hunting as she had previously experienced it.
I was not delighted by the way she put her words together, but can certainly agree with her that hunting with a gun or bow is a distant experience compared to killing a healthy animal with a knife. And also that the foodist preachings about spiritual transcendence while taking a life and partaking of its meat is just BS. But she doesn’t deny the connection with the animal, she has become fully aware of it. Isn’t that a good thing?
Let me ask this … are people who shoot pheasants on a game farm and pay a kid to dress, pluck, and package the birds getting a Pass? What about the hunter on safari whose handlers dress and skin the game, and take every precious morsel from the gut pile that most of use leave for the canines, buzzards and maggots? Many of us might take the heart and liver, but what about the kidneys and the intestines? No taste for chitlins? Deep-fried pigskins? Head cheese? As anyone who grew up on a farm knows, all parts of a pig are edible. I leave most of the gut pile and forget the nose, sweetbreads, and tongue. Am I disrespecting the animal and just rationalizing when I tell myself that I am leaving sustenance for other creatures … just because I don’t know how to prepare it or don’t care for the taste? What about when I take a carcass to a butcher because he is much better processing and packaging the meat than I could ever be? And who, I know, will recycle the hide, which would otherwise be tossed. Am I not taking a Pass? Disconnecting? Am I not a hunter?
It takes most people awhile to adjust to a dramatic change in perspective. A girlfriend can’t eat chicken off a bone and took quite awhile before she would eat or just cook the wild game her kids and I brought home. Even though I wish she could embrace it disconnecting is her way of dealing with it. Is there a right or wrong?
A Huntress in Prada … any reference to Prada after Devil in Prada came out, is probably self-deprecating and satirical. Personally, I admire a woman that is as comfortable in waders as she is in heels, or in camo as in Victoria Secrets, or that can cut a horse as well as control a room full of hyper two year olds. And, anyone, that can take an animal every step of the way from the hunt to the dinner table.
Many of you feel that she shouldn’t hunt again. I certainly hope she does, but that she shoves her Princess Pass back into her friends’ faces. After her experience she can show them a thing or two about skinning a hide or deboning a quarter. But, if after that, she can’t stomach the game she personally takes from the field to the fridge, then, perhaps she should no longer pull the trigger. But, if that is the case, I hope she would continue to tag along with her companions, as many others do, without intention of pulling the trigger, as she still might someday come to grips with it all. By the way, the meat, as she clearly stated, did not go to waste. Sorry this is so long, but it got me going.
Amen to all. I'm interested in MLH's thought that instead of quitting the field, the writer might try to claim her hunting experience in a way she hasn't to this point. Either way, I wish she wouldn't write about hunting until the day when she's truly discovered its value. -K.H.
Well, by claiming to be a hunter, she's missing out on one of the best parts. I still remember the first deer (doe) I field dressed by myself. What a rewarding experience. I love being self sufficient. She sold herself short by allowing the guys to take care of it. Sending the arrow or bullet is the easy part. I'm guessing that she actually had no desire to get her hands dirty.
I don't get a "spirtual transaction" when I eat game, mainly because, with two hunters, it is anybodys guess who actually took the animal we are enjoying. But knowing that it is all natural is a great feeling. Besides, it tastes great!
Laura, Nor Cal I like the way you talk.
MLH, No I can't see that taking an animal with a gun is separate from taking one with a knife, and I don't have to eat chitlins to appreciate my kill. And I'm not ashamed to say my kill, not my harvest.
This woman shares few similarities with the Wyoming huntresses I personally know. I doubt they would allow her to make a second hunting trip with them after witnessing her attitude and putting up with her statements on the first.
PETA GOT TO HER! No but really, I dont know what is going through her head. I have processed and butchered and basically done everything to make the deer come from the woods to the dinner table and i feel fine when I eat. I feel better that it is all orhanic and that it was always in the right hands and dealt with the most care... I dont have to worry about what stuff is in the meat or if the animal was healthy or not
Jim - That's the point. You don't have to appreciate the chitlins to appreciate the kill. You are no less of a hunter.
And looking an animal in the eye while slitting it's throat and hearing its bawls or wet gasps for air while the blood gushes and it finally dies is more personal than taking an animal at a distance. As one person said in another post, slitting a wounded game animal's throat to dispatch it, he avoids looking into its eyes. I do look into its eyes and soul, with respect and appreciation, no matter the method. But I thank God for a clean fast kill.
It is so easy to misread people's intentions in blogs, so I try to give them the benefit of the doubt, understand what they are trying to say, respect their opinion, and then try to communicate my own without demeaning them. I hope to see how the Princess responds to her raking.
Yesterday, a lady sat down in front of me at church. She was petite, maybe a size 2. First time I've noticed anyone with a Prada purse. Wanted to ask her if she hunted elk, but she left before I got the chance.
I just don't believe her, flat out.
SBW
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Kim, thanks so much for bringing this to our attention. I'll say here what I just said on the Washington Post blog:
Wow, where to begin?
1. I recommend kicking those men in the shins with your Pradas. There are plenty of 5-foot-2, 90-pound children in America who can dress an elk just fine. Taking responsibility for the animal you just killed is an important part of hunting; for them to deprive you of that, and for you to let them, is flat out wrong.
2. I understand being reluctant to COOK what you killed. Personally, I'm always afraid I'll screw it up and dishonor the animal. But to not want to eat it? Criminal waste of a life. Really, slitting an animal's throat only to let it die a second death of freezer burn? Nuts.
3. May as well be shooting paper at the range? Good lord, even letting the men pamper you, you should feel the difference between shooting paper and shooting an animal. If you don't feel at least a twinge of sadness when you take an animal's life - at any distance - perhaps you shouldn't be hunting.
4. "And there’s no spiritual transaction while eating, because you’d known the animal while it was still alive, or any of the other blather foodists who hunt will have you believe." Speak for yourself honey. Those of us who DO feel a deep connection with the food we've hunted resent being dismissed by someone who doesn't even field dress her animals.
Maybe you should just be a vegetarian. I hunt, because I've decided I am happy being an omnivore and I am willing to take personal responsibility for what that means. But it sounds like you don't have the stomach for it. And while it's usually nice to hear about other female hunters out there, I know I speak for plenty of hunters when I say we don't want someone like you representing us.
I grew up on a farm and personally knew the domesticated meat on the table and I was responsible for part of the wild meat. I too have seen the light leave their eyes and felt the warmth leave thier bodies. Death is always close and personal to the hunter. I am aware of my actions as a hunter and also hold grand reverence and appreciation for what the good earth provides, both plant and animal. I thank both God and the animal for the food they provide for my table.
I once had an experience in guiding a young (late 20's) female TV host in her quest to capture the essence of a women's only WMA hunt on film. She could have been fairly described as the Princess type. She even wore designer camo and as she referred to it, a "woodsy perfume." At dinner she also passed on trying the skillfully prepared venison loin chops. She just couldn't eat them because she had seen the deer being butchered several days before.
Her attitude was that hunting was "experience" oriented in that once you killed it, it was time to move on to life's next experience. In fact, upon getting the closing shot of the dead yearling doe she killed, she promptly left the WMA in her SUV, cell phone to her ear. Her crew members left behind to clean up after her.
We as a civilization have gotten further and further from the land. Most people are not willing to look their meat in the face and then go through with the necessary steps to provide protein for the table. Sterile styrofoam and plastic wrap have eliminated them from the awarness of the requirements for survival. In other words they can not "swallow" the truth...
This gal needs to disconnect from what was and what is. Every creature had a face, every vegetable had a period of life. I had deer steaks and fried okra last night and remembering the site of that beautiful garden only enhanced the taste. And I got great stisfaction from the deer too.
I think that Princess there might not actually be a hunter, just from the sound of things anyhow. I can't say that I feel anything too special when I'm eating the meat from my kills. I like how you said it Kim, ("My memory of and gratitude for that animal are enough as far as I'm concerned.")
On eating meat that i killed: I love the fact that i know how it was butchered.
On the "Princess": WOW those comments make me sad. She really does sound like a Prada wearing city girl who has never had to do anything for herself.
She seems kinda confused and conflicted. Bottom line, if she's not willing to eat her take, then she should stop hunting. I don't have a problem with people who can't deal with the reality of where meat comes from, so long as they never try to restrict my freedoms on the matter.
Anyone that can compare the feeling you get from hunting to shooting paper at the range should not be hunting. Everytime you take a life there shoould be some emotion involved.
i really don't think this woman is a hunter and if she is, she shouldn't be.
This "Princess" should go shopping and not hunting. There is no greater reward after harvesting the animal you have hunted than cooking and sharing it with friends and family. From the venison steaks that I cook and share with friends at our camp to the sausage that I share with fellow shooters at bow league, I could not celebrate the harvest any better.
I have told in prior postings that I have never cleaned an animal that I have harvested as I have a husband and son that insist on doing that for me. BUT, that is not to say that I have not been up to my elbows inside that animal helping and I know if the day came when nobody was there to help me, I could do it on my own. I insist on being a part of it as I want to know where I my arrow or bullet hit, what I did right or what I did wrong.
For the most part, we butcher or have butchered every animal we harvest. If we are unable to bring an animal home from a hunt, it is given to someone who will enjoy it.
I feel bad for people that use hunting as a tool. One to gain attention in what was once a man's world as if to say "look at me, I am a hunter". Being sure that this girl is one of those that Jeff Foxworthy tells about "bringing her purse to the blind", I think she would find the mall a better hunting ground than out in the woods.
This lady makes me sad as I live and breath for my next hunt. She has and will never know the true hunting experience. All she knows is killing. Very, very sad.
JB
I personally don't feel any spiritual or emotional anything when i'm eating my kill.
Wait, there might be some kind of happiness the taste gives me. . . .
Nate
This person needs to stop hunting. I have no problem killing an animal in order to provide for my needs (and in the process having a really good time doing it) but there is a level of responsibility here. If you are going to take life you need to square up to what you have done and properly use what remains. Having some transindental brain fart and not being able “to look at something I've killed” is a load of poopy (sorry, need to keep this clean for the kids). And byond that, this kind of drivel is what makes the hunting community look really, really bad and worse, weak.
She should give up hunting. If you do not have any connections or fealings toward the animal that you just harvested what is the point. She obviouly isn't hunting for the meat. So if she has no emotional responce to the hunt and will not eat the meat what is the point of her hunting. One year I let someone hunt at our farm with us and he seemed to just shoot the deer just to say he shot them, he did not get excited and he did not keep the meat. Needless to say he was never invited back.
This lady obviously is not a "True" Hunter. I am not saying that every hunter feels a great sense of pride when eating, but they at least have respect for the animal they are persuing. If she uses her "princess pass" and they does not eat the meat, what is she hunting for? I personally butcher all the animals I harvest myself, and I know when I prepare them for dinner there is a sense of accomplishment that I provided this meal for myself and is just another way for me to relive the memorable hunt.
Sounds to me that the lady is writing to the reader base in trying to be PC. She might not get published again if the readers knew that she actually liked eating what she harvested.
I feel it is rewarding to eat food i put on the table with my own hands and toil, not unlike my tomatoes or anything else from my garden, or fish i catch. Eating game i kill is one way to be sure the meat is hormone and chemical free, and handled properly. I do have respect for the animals i hunt and appreciate them on my table.
I like a girl that hunts, but this girl is retarded. Most girls could have cleaned their kill if they wanted to. The guys might try to do it for her, but she should jump in there anyways. Anybody that hunts should clean what they kill, and that includes girls. By the way, I don't have a problem with other people helping, but the shooter should be involved one way or another.
Want to hear something make you sad; when I transferred to Luke AFB Arizona from Eielson AFB Alaska I had a deepfreeze full of halibut, salmon, caribou, trout and moose!
Clay Cooper: That's really really rough man. I think you made my mouth water.
But often times when I down a goose, or duck. It's just winged. I've had to dispatch with my hands probably about 50 birds. I prefer instant kills, maybe with the $40-50 premium nontoxic box of 10 shells might do me better. But that just seems rediculous amount of money for what you get. But I digress, I can't say I feel any spiritual about the game I take. But I do take great care into getting everything to the table. I spent an hour searching for a duck that I lost.
But people who hunt and can't deal with the death, and butchering of the animal aren't hunters. And anyone who hunts just for the trophy aren't hunters either, they are killers.
Bravo NorCal!
Unfortunately people reading this article are going to wonder whether to eat it or try to set it free from the fridge.
Unfortunately after reading the comment about the "princess pass" I feel that she's not a real hunter, but just a trigger person. Unfortunately I'm guilty of doing the same thing fishing with my girlfriend.
As a wise oldtimer told me, "anyone can learn to pull a trigger, without feeling or remorse. But the real hunter knows that the shot counted, and a real hunter connects with their game when the deed is done"
I'm all for letting the person who got the kill, confirm and field dress it out, as that's a part of hunting. I've seen people get sick doing it, and offered to assist them, but I do insist on them participating, even if they are getting green around the gills. Reason for this is so that they have a connection to their game, and those lessons will kick in when out in the field by themselves, making them better at what they are doing.
Last year during fishing season, my girlfriend wouldn't even touch a fish, even with gloves on, so I would do the handling and unhooking. This year she actually asked me if I would show her how to handle a fish, let her touch one the next time we go out fishing. I told her that would be fine, and I would show her how it's done, so when she goes out by herself, she'll be ready to handle unhooking the fish without help.
I swear the media hires fakers to make us look worse...
Amen to all. I'm interested in MLH's thought that instead of quitting the field, the writer might try to claim her hunting experience in a way she hasn't to this point. Either way, I wish she wouldn't write about hunting until the day when she's truly discovered its value. -K.H.
Well, by claiming to be a hunter, she's missing out on one of the best parts. I still remember the first deer (doe) I field dressed by myself. What a rewarding experience. I love being self sufficient. She sold herself short by allowing the guys to take care of it. Sending the arrow or bullet is the easy part. I'm guessing that she actually had no desire to get her hands dirty.
I don't get a "spirtual transaction" when I eat game, mainly because, with two hunters, it is anybodys guess who actually took the animal we are enjoying. But knowing that it is all natural is a great feeling. Besides, it tastes great!
Laura, Nor Cal I like the way you talk.
MLH, No I can't see that taking an animal with a gun is separate from taking one with a knife, and I don't have to eat chitlins to appreciate my kill. And I'm not ashamed to say my kill, not my harvest.
This woman shares few similarities with the Wyoming huntresses I personally know. I doubt they would allow her to make a second hunting trip with them after witnessing her attitude and putting up with her statements on the first.
PETA GOT TO HER! No but really, I dont know what is going through her head. I have processed and butchered and basically done everything to make the deer come from the woods to the dinner table and i feel fine when I eat. I feel better that it is all orhanic and that it was always in the right hands and dealt with the most care... I dont have to worry about what stuff is in the meat or if the animal was healthy or not
Jim - That's the point. You don't have to appreciate the chitlins to appreciate the kill. You are no less of a hunter.
And looking an animal in the eye while slitting it's throat and hearing its bawls or wet gasps for air while the blood gushes and it finally dies is more personal than taking an animal at a distance. As one person said in another post, slitting a wounded game animal's throat to dispatch it, he avoids looking into its eyes. I do look into its eyes and soul, with respect and appreciation, no matter the method. But I thank God for a clean fast kill.
It is so easy to misread people's intentions in blogs, so I try to give them the benefit of the doubt, understand what they are trying to say, respect their opinion, and then try to communicate my own without demeaning them. I hope to see how the Princess responds to her raking.
Yesterday, a lady sat down in front of me at church. She was petite, maybe a size 2. First time I've noticed anyone with a Prada purse. Wanted to ask her if she hunted elk, but she left before I got the chance.
I just don't believe her, flat out.
SBW
Sounds to me like it was chivalrous men that unintentionally separated her from the actual kill to the dinner table for years. Doing it all herself by hand was an eye-opening experience for her. Sounds like she had no problem eating elk before, and that the meat she couldn't eat was actually beef she killed and butchered herself in the kosher slaughterhouse.
The enlightening moment for me came when I was finally allowed to partake in the butchering of our chickens. These were our pets, or so I thought until that day. I couldn't eat the chicken that first night ... it had a face and a name ... but I eventually came to terms with it all. Must have been about 6.
She puts herself down by calling herself a "P" and accepts her need for disconnection. But perhaps she'll come to terms and hunt again. I hope she is able to take it all the way from field to table next time, or she may not try again.
I do disagree with her that disconnecting yourself from the fact that meat was once a living animal is necessary. I think it is crucial, as well as knowing that the plants we eat are also alive.
So, is the moral for men to back off and to let the women and kids experience the whole process?
Let me try to rephrase this … the way I read the article, getting through the literary fluff, the author’s slaughterhouse experience made her intimately aware of the connection between a living animal and the meat in her fridge. Her Princess Pass, pushed onto her by her doting male friends and long accepted by her, had removed that awareness. She admits that what she had been doing might as well have been shooting paper since she had become so detached. The experience changed her perception of hunting as she had previously experienced it.
I was not delighted by the way she put her words together, but can certainly agree with her that hunting with a gun or bow is a distant experience compared to killing a healthy animal with a knife. And also that the foodist preachings about spiritual transcendence while taking a life and partaking of its meat is just BS. But she doesn’t deny the connection with the animal, she has become fully aware of it. Isn’t that a good thing?
Let me ask this … are people who shoot pheasants on a game farm and pay a kid to dress, pluck, and package the birds getting a Pass? What about the hunter on safari whose handlers dress and skin the game, and take every precious morsel from the gut pile that most of use leave for the canines, buzzards and maggots? Many of us might take the heart and liver, but what about the kidneys and the intestines? No taste for chitlins? Deep-fried pigskins? Head cheese? As anyone who grew up on a farm knows, all parts of a pig are edible. I leave most of the gut pile and forget the nose, sweetbreads, and tongue. Am I disrespecting the animal and just rationalizing when I tell myself that I am leaving sustenance for other creatures … just because I don’t know how to prepare it or don’t care for the taste? What about when I take a carcass to a butcher because he is much better processing and packaging the meat than I could ever be? And who, I know, will recycle the hide, which would otherwise be tossed. Am I not taking a Pass? Disconnecting? Am I not a hunter?
It takes most people awhile to adjust to a dramatic change in perspective. A girlfriend can’t eat chicken off a bone and took quite awhile before she would eat or just cook the wild game her kids and I brought home. Even though I wish she could embrace it disconnecting is her way of dealing with it. Is there a right or wrong?
A Huntress in Prada … any reference to Prada after Devil in Prada came out, is probably self-deprecating and satirical. Personally, I admire a woman that is as comfortable in waders as she is in heels, or in camo as in Victoria Secrets, or that can cut a horse as well as control a room full of hyper two year olds. And, anyone, that can take an animal every step of the way from the hunt to the dinner table.
Many of you feel that she shouldn’t hunt again. I certainly hope she does, but that she shoves her Princess Pass back into her friends’ faces. After her experience she can show them a thing or two about skinning a hide or deboning a quarter. But, if after that, she can’t stomach the game she personally takes from the field to the fridge, then, perhaps she should no longer pull the trigger. But, if that is the case, I hope she would continue to tag along with her companions, as many others do, without intention of pulling the trigger, as she still might someday come to grips with it all. By the way, the meat, as she clearly stated, did not go to waste. Sorry this is so long, but it got me going.
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