


June 10, 2009
Discussion Topic: On Paintballing And Geocaching At WMAs
According to North Dakota Game And Fish Department Supervisor Scott Peterson, paintballing and geocaching create a "considerable amount of unnecessary disturbance to both wildlife and wildlife habitat,” and are therefore banned in state wildlife management areas (WMAs) under new rules. The decision obviously benefits hunters—and why not? Hunters and anglers foot the bill for WMAs. Seems fair to me. Then again, I’ve never tried paintballing or geocaching and so have no reason to get worked up. And while I doubt there are a whole lot geocaching sportsmen, there are probably some paintballers. Is anyone PO’d about this? What do the rest of you think?
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I got no problems with it being banned in WMAs. I have scared the crap out of some people who were geocaching(I didn't even know that's what it was called until now)during bow season. A couple years ago I noticed a marker on a tree and thought it was a hunters trail marker and about an hour after sunrise here come these folks looking lost wandering in the woods nowhere near a trail looking for this mark in the woods. They never saw me sitting the laurel bushes till I stood up about 5 yards from them. As for paintballing in the woods I haven't observed it anyone doing it on the public land I hunt, yet.
As the population grows there will be increased pressure on public lands for activities other than hunting. I see this being a huge issue in the near future. Where do you draw the line? Today it's geocaching and paintball.What will it be tomorrow? Hiking, picnicing, photo safari's? Maybe for safety reasons during hunting seasons you could regulate certain activities but it will be an uphill battle for sure. As a hunter I know what "I" would like see.
If hunters and fisherman foot the bills for WMA then the decison is correct. I am surprised the state did not want to license paintballers and geocache people for use of the land. It would raise more money for the state.
That's why I'm glad it's called Wildlife Management and not Public Land Management. The way things are set up in most places hunters do foot the bills for all these places so our wants should be considered over anyone else that wants to use this land. I do understand the geocachers wanting to use it but I think the paintballers are just trying to not have to pay to play at a paintball field. I could see how paintballers could completely ruin a place for hunting. They'd run deer out of the country.
Paintballing - No way this should be acceptable. I play a lot of paintball and it is way to disruptive for a WMA. There are other public properties that would be suitable that are NOT designated for Wildlife Management. Paintball is not a wildlife management process. Geocaching does not bother me so much as I don't see it running game off the same way. If someone goes walking past me grouse hunting while I am deer hunting, they will scare the game away from me at that moment. Will they make it illeagle to take a walk through a WMA if you are not activewly hunting. I do have to recognize that it is not my personal place. Although I also realize it is not a safe place to just go for a walk because there are people hiding with guns and bows. Too bad we have to legislate based off of stupidity.
Unnecessary disturbance to both wildlife and wildlife habitat, o’ really! What can I say, I bet roughing it is at the Two Story Sky Villa, The Palms Fantasy Suites, Las Vegas
Cost per night: $25,000!!
I wish I had a nickel for every hiker or hunter I witnessed regardless on foot or ATV pass right by a deer 12 feet away. They just lay down and as soon as they pass up pops there head!
Stupid people
Here's your sign!
I find more wildlife in a low populated area by humans out skirts of town etc than no human traffic at all!! ATV’s keep the trails open for wildlife to travel and I do agree there is a limit but these people just get downright overzealous!
Hey Scott Peterson, don’t you think you do need to get off the Golf Course and into the field or is it you don’t want to get your thongs muddy!
GIRLY MEN!
I find more wildlife in a low populated area by humans out skirts of town etc than no human traffic at all!! ATV’s keep the trails open for wildlife to travel and I do agree there is a limit but these people just get downright overzealous!
Hey Scott Peterson, don’t you think you do need to get off the Golf Course and into the field or is it you don’t want to get your thongs muddy!
GIRLY MEN!
I just worry as one groups activity is banned it opens the door to ban others. Many have the agenda to shut down human access to our wild areas all together in the name of Environmentalism.
Lots of things are already banned in WMAs. I can't trap or target shoot in them for example. They have a dedicated purpose (hunting is a part of that purpose). Unfortunately people are too selfish to recognize that purpose and feel they can do whatever they want.
I think the paintball guys need a place to play, but not in the WMAs, especially DURING hunting season. The geocachers don't really bother me--they're kinda like bird watchers--I'd rather have the woods to myself but we can't keep everyone out.
I'm OK with this.
Paintballing causes all kinds of havoc, and as such, it should be kept to places designated more suitable for paintball. I am kind of confused about the geocaching though. What aspect of geocaching is so much more disruptive than any basic access priveleges?
I am all for this.
Nate
Nope, not mad at all I have plenty of places to go paintballing at friends or other designated places all you need to do is call around and try to find a different place to paintball.
I do paintball in my woods, but generally only in one designated area, just as I have a pistol range for handgun practice. I don't think paintball should be allowed in WMAs, as far as geocaching goes it is like orienteering hide & seek, except that now that GPS units are so common nobody seems to know how to take a bearing and orient a topo map anymore; it seems too easy...
Anyway I think Geocaching is a pretty silly idea on WMAs in deer hunting season. Too easy for fools to get shot on their scavenger hunts. I have heard of damage done by geocachers digging holes and burying caches. There are 3 or 4 WMAs just here in my town, and the land is the property of the State, this being a Commonwealth, that means that the WMAs are partly my property, maintained by my taxes (with such minimal care that they get...)in another sense the WMA's belong to the wildlife it is reserved as habitat for, this would suggest no paintball, would you want it in your living room?
Althouth I have paintballe'd before... I would have to say that this is an all around good decision. I mean, play on the paintball fields where the disturbance is contained... not in where hunters are. Paintball guns are loud and cause an unecessary amount of disturbance.
I am, or used to be an avid paintballer. There are two distinct playing styles. Indoor, which is usually faster paced and short games, and outdoor, which is a bit slower paced but longer and involves different tactics. But a national park is no place for paintball. It is messy, however the paint is biodegradable. Not sure about geocaching, however. I don't really see how that disturbs much. Isn't it basically hiking?
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I got no problems with it being banned in WMAs. I have scared the crap out of some people who were geocaching(I didn't even know that's what it was called until now)during bow season. A couple years ago I noticed a marker on a tree and thought it was a hunters trail marker and about an hour after sunrise here come these folks looking lost wandering in the woods nowhere near a trail looking for this mark in the woods. They never saw me sitting the laurel bushes till I stood up about 5 yards from them. As for paintballing in the woods I haven't observed it anyone doing it on the public land I hunt, yet.
That's why I'm glad it's called Wildlife Management and not Public Land Management. The way things are set up in most places hunters do foot the bills for all these places so our wants should be considered over anyone else that wants to use this land. I do understand the geocachers wanting to use it but I think the paintballers are just trying to not have to pay to play at a paintball field. I could see how paintballers could completely ruin a place for hunting. They'd run deer out of the country.
I just worry as one groups activity is banned it opens the door to ban others. Many have the agenda to shut down human access to our wild areas all together in the name of Environmentalism.
I think the paintball guys need a place to play, but not in the WMAs, especially DURING hunting season. The geocachers don't really bother me--they're kinda like bird watchers--I'd rather have the woods to myself but we can't keep everyone out.
Paintballing causes all kinds of havoc, and as such, it should be kept to places designated more suitable for paintball. I am kind of confused about the geocaching though. What aspect of geocaching is so much more disruptive than any basic access priveleges?
Nope, not mad at all I have plenty of places to go paintballing at friends or other designated places all you need to do is call around and try to find a different place to paintball.
As the population grows there will be increased pressure on public lands for activities other than hunting. I see this being a huge issue in the near future. Where do you draw the line? Today it's geocaching and paintball.What will it be tomorrow? Hiking, picnicing, photo safari's? Maybe for safety reasons during hunting seasons you could regulate certain activities but it will be an uphill battle for sure. As a hunter I know what "I" would like see.
If hunters and fisherman foot the bills for WMA then the decison is correct. I am surprised the state did not want to license paintballers and geocache people for use of the land. It would raise more money for the state.
Paintballing - No way this should be acceptable. I play a lot of paintball and it is way to disruptive for a WMA. There are other public properties that would be suitable that are NOT designated for Wildlife Management. Paintball is not a wildlife management process. Geocaching does not bother me so much as I don't see it running game off the same way. If someone goes walking past me grouse hunting while I am deer hunting, they will scare the game away from me at that moment. Will they make it illeagle to take a walk through a WMA if you are not activewly hunting. I do have to recognize that it is not my personal place. Although I also realize it is not a safe place to just go for a walk because there are people hiding with guns and bows. Too bad we have to legislate based off of stupidity.
I find more wildlife in a low populated area by humans out skirts of town etc than no human traffic at all!! ATV’s keep the trails open for wildlife to travel and I do agree there is a limit but these people just get downright overzealous!
Hey Scott Peterson, don’t you think you do need to get off the Golf Course and into the field or is it you don’t want to get your thongs muddy!
GIRLY MEN!
Lots of things are already banned in WMAs. I can't trap or target shoot in them for example. They have a dedicated purpose (hunting is a part of that purpose). Unfortunately people are too selfish to recognize that purpose and feel they can do whatever they want.
I'm OK with this.
I am all for this.
Nate
I do paintball in my woods, but generally only in one designated area, just as I have a pistol range for handgun practice. I don't think paintball should be allowed in WMAs, as far as geocaching goes it is like orienteering hide & seek, except that now that GPS units are so common nobody seems to know how to take a bearing and orient a topo map anymore; it seems too easy...
Anyway I think Geocaching is a pretty silly idea on WMAs in deer hunting season. Too easy for fools to get shot on their scavenger hunts. I have heard of damage done by geocachers digging holes and burying caches. There are 3 or 4 WMAs just here in my town, and the land is the property of the State, this being a Commonwealth, that means that the WMAs are partly my property, maintained by my taxes (with such minimal care that they get...)in another sense the WMA's belong to the wildlife it is reserved as habitat for, this would suggest no paintball, would you want it in your living room?
Althouth I have paintballe'd before... I would have to say that this is an all around good decision. I mean, play on the paintball fields where the disturbance is contained... not in where hunters are. Paintball guns are loud and cause an unecessary amount of disturbance.
I am, or used to be an avid paintballer. There are two distinct playing styles. Indoor, which is usually faster paced and short games, and outdoor, which is a bit slower paced but longer and involves different tactics. But a national park is no place for paintball. It is messy, however the paint is biodegradable. Not sure about geocaching, however. I don't really see how that disturbs much. Isn't it basically hiking?
Unnecessary disturbance to both wildlife and wildlife habitat, o’ really! What can I say, I bet roughing it is at the Two Story Sky Villa, The Palms Fantasy Suites, Las Vegas
Cost per night: $25,000!!
I wish I had a nickel for every hiker or hunter I witnessed regardless on foot or ATV pass right by a deer 12 feet away. They just lay down and as soon as they pass up pops there head!
Stupid people
Here's your sign!
I find more wildlife in a low populated area by humans out skirts of town etc than no human traffic at all!! ATV’s keep the trails open for wildlife to travel and I do agree there is a limit but these people just get downright overzealous!
Hey Scott Peterson, don’t you think you do need to get off the Golf Course and into the field or is it you don’t want to get your thongs muddy!
GIRLY MEN!
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